Shoutouts To White Members & Black Members Of The Group Performing The "Terminal Reaction" Soul Line Dance (2009 video with selected comments)

iamkennyj, May 29, 2009

Song: "I Don't Need It"
Artist: Jamie Fox
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This line dance was created by Ray Boyd & Tony Cee.
Total number of viewers as of August 29, 2022 at August 29, 2022 at 1:27 PM = 2,103,220

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II of a two part pancocojams series that showcases the 2009 YouTube video of the "Terminal Reaction" Soul line dance that was performed by a group of New Jersey line dancers.

This post documents some of the shoutouts* from the discussion thread of that 2009 "Terminal Reaction" Soul line dance video that refer to White members of that dance group and/or the Black members of that dance group. This pancocojams post also includes some general comments from that discussion thread that refer to White people performing Soul line dances.

I'm particularly interested in documenting the different attitudes and opinions that some African Americans** have about White people performing Soul line dances.

*Definition of Shoutouts
From https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shout-out
"Definition of shout-out

informal

: a public expression of greeting, praise, or acknowledgement directed toward a person or group often as part of a performance, recording, or broadcast"

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**Most of the commenters didn't identify their race/ethnicity. I'm presuming that almost all of the commenters who didn't identify their race are African American because Soul line dancing is almost always associated with African Americans.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2022/08/smooth-hot-cool-and-other-superlatives.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. That post also includes selected comments from the discussion thread of this embedded video. This compilation documents some of the comments from that discussion thread that include superlatives about that line dance performance.

I'm particularly interested in comments that document some examples of African American Vernacular English terms which mean that something is "great" and/or "performed very well".  

The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural, linguistic, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are featured in this video and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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SELECTED SHOUTOUTS FROM THE DISCUSSION THREAD FOR THIS VIDEO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9CUf6MKhV0

Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.

2011 

1. Ms. DeeJayDoubleU
"Now that is a smooth hustle!!!!  I need that one slowed down to learn that one.  Who is the white lady?  I love her!!!!!!!!!  Every video she is in she is killing it!"

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2. pookah23
"Chunky dude in the front was getting it in!"

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2012 

3. Chevelle Thomas
"White guy in the back is doing the damn thing!!!"

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4. bigbenn83
"Lol lots of white folks can dance, this is just a long 200 count line dance after all.

You want tos ee some other new age hip hop style line dances. Look up Guyton Mundy...dances to anything from This City....to Ludacris' "In the A" hell even got a new one fo Flo Rida's Wild ones...crazy stuff"

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2013

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2014

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2015

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2016

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2017

5. oprahisevil
"What about the white lady"

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6. LUX, 2019
"What about her?"

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7. MZ.NE-NE HUNT, 2019
"She was jamming💃"

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8. Tara Theus, 2019
"What white lady? She was so smooth, I didn't noticed!😉"

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9. Jeeya, 2020
"She killed it."

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10. Maggie, 2020
"Yeah, I think I know why she’s there."

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11. Natalie Harris, 2020
"@Maggie  why?"

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2018

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2019

12. BayouPrincess_90 Creole Baby
"You’ll get a whole workout & but some calories everyday doing this dance!! Not to mention the ONLY 2 white people in here slaying it too!! 😍😍 I need to learn this ASAP!!"

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13. jan Long
"White women can dance"

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14. Rhonda Creath
"Best Dancer tall man with designs on the back of. his shirt Jamming"

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15. Envyme088, 2020
"Lol yesss he was not playing!"

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16. Jaye Singleton, 2020
"He killin it!"

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17. Bass Webs Dean Ganalli
"Hey wait a minute.  The Women up front on both ends, ARE DOING IT!!!!!"

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18. James Bell
"I’m starting to develop a crush on the black lady in the front with the silver shoes on...holla at me.  Lol!"

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19. Chandra Jenkins
"the big guy int black kept my attention he was smooth with his moves never tryed to show boat"

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20. s. Eve Gene
"YAAASSS$ 👑 BLACK 👑 PEEPS!"

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21. Craig Robertson
"Sister with the white necklace is killing this dance. Everybody is great but she's owning this one.'

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22. zeezixx
"Yes she is!"

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23. Afanlynness
"dat white chick tho!!"

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24. Auntie Evelyn James
"These my first time seeing this video

The white lady is getting u go girl ain't mad at u like the video"

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25. Estroughtonaire, 2020
"Right? Get down!"

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26. Estelle Mahoney, 2020
"They don't wanna talk about her as she is showing them up for real"

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27. 4EVER TRUE!, 2020
" @Estelle Mahoney  She is KEEPING up

NOT showing them up!🙄💯

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28. James Bell
"I see a white brotha in the back.  I guess..."

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29. Denna Harmon
"We cant have sh-t* of our own. Yall. Know what i mean first row"
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.

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30. Cheryl 
"These brothers can dance."

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31. Osofoxley Oxley
"Black people are very accepting,  can't say too much about other races. We rock!"

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32. proudbluestaterful
"That white lady is making me cry cus i can't dance, a lick"

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33. Valerie Fitzpatrick
"white girl killin it. Go girl"

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34. Lorenzo Spikes
"I absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE  the blonde!!! WHY? Because she GETS IT when we talk about cultural inclusion!! This lady can freaking dance too!!!"

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35. Rhonda Creath
"I love that dance even the white girl is jamming Lol"

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36. Selwyn Bourne, 2020
"She is bad"

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37. Megan
"BIG UPS TO the one AND ONLY white lady who was killing it the whole time but off to the side on the camera the whole time. Get it girl!!!!! 💃💃💃💃❤❤♨💣💣💣♨💣"

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38. Jerome Smiley Johnson
"I saw that too!  Girl was doing it!"

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39. Kristine Maitland
"I would not be surprised if she does West Coast Swing too.  Great routine from the guys.

Cheers from the Toronto   Swing Dance Society."

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40. holli perkins
"Wasn't Vanilla Chile killin' it?!!!! Yasssss hunti!!"

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41. Robert Evans
"Yes, you go white lady!"

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42. Karla Mathews
"That’s Becky with the good hair dancing like butter. Get it girl!!!!"

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43. New Nana
"I just saw her, Becky got rhythm. Killing it! Didn’tmiss a step🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾"

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44. Joann Hall
"The One I'm sure she probably married to one of those guys🤔"

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45. Josephine Clark
"Yeah She Got Rhythm Fire"

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46. Patricia Taylor
"Joann Hall I am sure she is but good for her color is not an issue for me. Just live laugh and love."

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47. Grandma Hands, 2020
"Patricia Taylor sowhat"

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48. deva190, 2020
"@Joann Hall  I doubt it. I know some of them. Many white men and women come to his dances and some are actually instructors."

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49. Patricia Taylor
"The lady was doing her thing she tore that up yessssss."

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50. Gaylon Alcaraz
"she was getting it!!!!"

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51. Hattie Horsley
"White sista got rhythm 😀😀😀"

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52. Kaiser Soze'
"I was just about to write the same thing 🤣🤣 get in there Becky!!🤣🤣🤣🤣"

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53. D. Miller
"And she will capitalized from what she learn from them and act like she invented it."

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54. Estroughtonaire, 2021
"Let's hand it to the big ladies too!!!!"

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55. obsidiansea, 2021
"I'm not sure why she needs special congratulations, though. She was no better than anyone else. It's a little like congratulating a dad for doing something a mom does every day."

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56. Brayden Dempsey
"The one white lady ended racism ❤️❤️❤️ I love everyone, color is a label not a permanent print💕every African American on this floor killed this dance 💃❤️"

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2020

57. Nan Whetstone
"That one white lady is keeping up! All the dancers are great, but props to my girl!"

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58. BUN BNJ

"Y the

camera do the white lady like that👀🤔🤷🏽‍♀️.....she was killin it 💃🏼💃🏼💃🏼💃🏼💃🏼"

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59. Virginia Watkins
"That white girl didn't miss a lick    great job"

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60. Estelle Mahoney
"Looks like the white girl showed ya all up as she had her sh-t* together for real! She may not have been front and center but she was definitely there and you could see that she had the rhythm for this dance whether you liked it or not."
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.

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61. Estelle Mahoney
"Still listening in 2020. White girl on the end is kicking it for real but love my brothers up there and doing their thing"

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62. Larry Diggs
"Hey my friend, rhythm comes in all colors...Peace and 💘 Love...."

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63. Sylvia Williams
"Not color people it's what's in all of us and that's music"

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64. Ophelia Twine-Henry
"Love the ladies, BUT the guys are killing it, watch at least once a day!!!!"

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65. Santina Santina
"👩‍💻🗯"Ooh,I like the diversity, it shows unity,it shows harmony". It is love. New subscriber now.👍🏻"

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66. EKeeping It Vertical Ministries
"Caucasian persuasion ain't missed a step get it girl."

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67. Vivian Green
"About the two ladies in heels.. in the front row... on each side.. get it mommas!!!"

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68. lean forward
"I just came across and love love it. My Caucasian sister is really flowing she looks really good  here. You go girl👌"

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2021

69. ALMIGHTY'S SOLDIER
"YESSSS GET IT FAMILY!! THE TWO MEN JAMMING! BABY THIS ONE WHITE LADY ON THE END IS GETTING IT!  EVERYBODY ON POINT!  THESE LADIES IN THESE HEELS THOUGH! 💙🔥🔥"

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70. Evelyn T Robinson, 2022
"The Sister ALWAYS dances in heels.  She is one of the best soul line dancers.  I believe she's from the Philly area or South Jersey."

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71. tamsmith61
"They're all great dancers, but the guy next to the white lady is fantastic!"

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72. Home DivaBeauty
"The Only Caucasianos Lady in the Group was on fire 🔥!!

Who says White people don’t have Rhythm - I don’t even know if I could get EVERY step - this lady missed not one move - Hey 👋🏼 get it my White Sistah !!"

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73. Rebecca Singletary
"Go head smooth daddy in the black"

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74. Paul Driscoll
"Where the heck you guys hang out cos this white dude (Me) wants to hang out with you brothers and sisters and step it out ... lol"

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75. Rozlin313
"Sisters on front line holding it down!!!"

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76. barbara bryant
"All I can say is white girl, white  girl damn, you go sister."

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77. Barry Stephenson
"They all are good but theres a young lady in second row with 2nd from right with glasse yeaaaa but they all are very good"

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78. S Franklin
"The ladies was not playing with the guys they took this one and they done this dance ☺️☺️💖💖 don't get me wrong fellas y'all done it I'll give you a hundred yeah I was there

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79. Donna TEHS Fan Townsend
"They getting it in......the blonde sister on the end...:.:yesssssss mamma we see you too."

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80. wisdom seeker
"You're so kind.

May God Bless You and yours❗❤"

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81. Karen Bannister
"Guy on the left in the very back is jamming"

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82. Cammilier Powers
"Got to give it to the Caucasian lady she getting down"

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83. Estelle Mahoney
"Just noticed the white guy in the back kicking it for real just like the white girl in the front, but still support the dancers as a whole"

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84. Suzana M
"Think the lady at left back with pony tail got moves too"

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85. steffie
"Apparently that sexy man that has the emblem on his back, put out a training video on this dance! He even went and got himself a wedding ring !!LMFAO

HES SOOOOO FINE!"

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86. Mary Sloan
"I'll take all 3 of the brothers in front row! They doing it. Watched many times ,enjoy as much as first time."

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87. B-FABULOUS
"Great job everyone and shout out too The white SOUL SISTER 🎶🎶💃🏾💃🏾 TERMINAL REACTION"

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88. Lynell Ferguson
"The man with the long sleeve white shirt is really working it out they are doing the damn thing"

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89. Karen Bannister
"White guy in the back killing it!"

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90. MrCamp
"That’s me. Thank you for the shoutout."

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91. MrCamp
"The white guy in the back is actually me! My name is Mike. I’m glad you all enjoyed this video, it was so fun to make. I loved dancing with everyone here; they’re not only great dancers but amazing people. Watching this video, I key in on a different person every time. No matter what, you’ll get something worth the price of admission."

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92. Letha Stewart
"Wow that was entertaining, the lady in blue had some smooth moves."

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93. Linda Leake
"THIS IS A GOOD WORK OUT DANCE THEY ARE KILLING IT NEED TO DANCE LIKE THIS EVERY DAY THAT WHITE GUY IN THE BACK IS ON POINT & KILLING THIS DANCE."

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94. MrCamp
"So true story: I’m sitting in my house messing on YouTube and I stumble back across the video. I’m so excited that people are still watching and enjoying this even 11 years later. Ray and Tony are awesome, and everyone in this video are not only great dancers, but even better people. I’m so thrilled I had a chance to be a part of this and so many are still entertained.

- Mike aka “the white guy in the back”

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2022

95. Roxann Larson
"Tony, the man in black in the middle was very smooth with his moves. I am so pleased they honored him by putting him in the middle since he was the one who initiated and I guess he created the steps with the other guy. All too often big people don't get the recognition that they should. It looked like he had lost a lot of weight. I'd love to see him in new clothes  He'd be giving his friends a run for their money! The girls would be after him!  Yes! I was a big woman at one time."

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96. MrCamp 
"Tony and Ray (to Tony’s right) collaborated on the steps together. Tony has choreographed a lot of dances. He’s legit."

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97.kim leonard
"Come on big boy Yassss"

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98. Big Popa
"Wait...  Can we talk about Miss lady with the blond hair in the front row and that white chocolate dude in the back row for a second?!  I am sending this to some friends because those two have set the bar HIGH and I now have expectations!"

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99. C Ross
"Check out the woman with the black scarp on her head. She got it going on!!!"

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100. ted simms
"I don't care what anybody say,  that white lady in the front row looks the sexiest"

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101. Rooks Entertainment
"I wonder how many are still alive. The pandemic wiped out so many"

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102. kenneth johnson
"All of us are still dancing"

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103. Nancy Stevens
"All Of Y'all Did Awesome! Thank you for sharing!"

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"Becky With The Good Hair" Used As A Putdown For A Light Skinned Black Man (Comments About Kwame Brown's May 16, 2021 Instagram)

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest revision: May 24, 2021

This pancocojams post presents some historical and cultural information and commentary about the use of the name "Becky" as a referent for White women.

This post also presents some cultural information and commentary about the phrase  "Becky with the good hair". In particular, this post documents the use of "Becky with the good hair" in a May 16, 2021 Instagram written by African American former NBA professional basketball player Kwame Brown as a putdown of another former NBA player Matt Barnes who is light skinned. 

The content of this post is presented for linguistic and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/02/good-hair-bad-hair-black-attitudes.html for a 2013 pancocojams post entitled "Good Hair & Bad Hair (Black Attitudes About Our Hair)".

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BACKGROUND: WHAT THE NAME "BECKY" MEANS IN AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURE
"Miss Ann" is a much older African American referent for White women that carried (and still carries) negative connotations of White women who are stiff, prudish, and respectable [in the opinion of White people].

The use of "Becky" as a referent for White women in general and/or as a referent for a sub-category of White women was popularized in the 1992 by Hip Hop artist Sir Mix A Lot's hit record "Baby Got Back".  The first words in that song are voiced by a young White woman who stands with her silent White friend Becky staring at a Black woman in the distance. Using Valley Girl lingo and pronunciation, the unnamed White women criticizes that Black woman's big butt.

[Intro]
Oh, my, god. Becky, look at her butt.
It is so big. [scoff]
She looks like one of those rap guys' girlfriends.
But, you know, who understands those rap guys? [scoff]
They only talk to her, because, she looks like a total prostitute, 'kay?
I mean, her butt, is just so big.
I can't believe it's just so round, it's like, out there, I mean— gross. Look!
She's just so... black!"

Source: [for the full lyrics] http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/sirmixalot/babygotback.html
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The woman speaking in that introduction used "Valley Girl" pronunciation for those words.  
Here's information about "Valley Girls" from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_girl
"A Valley girl is a socioeconomic, linguistic, and youth subcultural stereotype and stock character originating during the 1980s: any materialistic upper-middle-class young woman, associated with unique vocal and California dialect features, from the Los Angeles commuter communities of the San Fernando Valley.[1] The term in later years became more broadly applied to any female in the United States who embodied ditziness"...

In 2016 Beyonce popularized the phrase "Becky with the good hair" in her song "Lemonade". That referent has come to mean either a White woman, or a Black woman who is mixed (has one birth parent who is Black and one who is non-Black), or a light skinned Black woman, or a woman who is not Black and is also not White (for instance a Latina or a woman from India.) Presumably, all of these women would have so-called "good hair", meaning hair whose texture (curl pattern) is the same as or similar to the curl patterns of White people. 

Here's information about the meaning of the term "good hair" as it unfortunately was used in the past and  is still used by many African Americans:

Excerpt #1
From http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=good+hair
"good hair

A popular* term in the African-American community, used to describe an black person's hair that closely resembles the hair of a typical white person (i.e. soft, managable, long, as opposed to "nappy" or "bad" hair). The closer your hair is to a white person's, the "better" your hair is. See: "bad hair".

Note: Most people who use this term would never admit the inferiority complex from which it came.
Ignorant Aunt Zykeshia: "Lord-Jeezus! Girl, you gots dat good hair! It long, curly and booootiful!"
-by Little Lauren May 17, 2005
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*I think that "widely used" fits better than the word "popular".

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Excerpt #2
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_hair#:~:text=%22Good%20hair%22%20is%20a%20phrase,contrast%20to%20Afro%2Dtextured%20hair.

" "Good hair" is a phrase used in some black communities to describe the perceived prestige of straight or loosely curled hair, especially when genetically influenced by non-African ancestry, in contrast to Afro-textured hair. "Good Hair" is also used to refer to hair that is strong, thick and soft to the touch.

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Although many hair stylists or beauticians would define "good hair" to mean "healthy hair", the phrase is rarely used in this manner in informal African-American circles. Instead it is used metaphorically to characterize beauty and acceptance. These standards vary for African-American men and women."...

Regardless of Beyonce's implied meaning/s of "Becky with the good hair", it appears to me that the most widely used online meaning of "Becky" after Beyonce's 2016 "Lemonade" song is "a White woman".  

Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/the-clean-meaning-of-name-becky-in.html for more information about the African American cultural use of the name "Becky" as a referent for White women (or certain White women) prior to Beyonce's "Lemonade" song. 

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INFORMATION ABOUT FORMER NBA PLAYER KWAME BROWN'S USE OF THE SAYING "BECKY WITH THE GOOD HAIR" AS A PUTDOWN FOR A LIGHT SKINNED BLACK MALE
From https://brobible.com/sports/article/kwame-brown-stephen-jackson-matt-barnes-gilbert-arenas/
"Former Laker Kwame Brown Rips Stephen Jackson, Matt Barnes, And Gilbert Arenas To Shreds In Profane Rant" by Joge Alonso, May 17, 2021

[Pancocojams Editor's Note: Warning: This article and Instagram includes profanity. Those
examples of profanity aren't included in this ncluded in this pancocojams post.] 

"Kwame Brown has a bone to pick* with Stephen Jackson, Matt Barnes and Gilbert Arenas.

Earlier this week, Arenas was a guest on Showtime’s “All the Smoke” hosted by Jackson and Barnes. In the interview, Arenas talked about Brown, who he played with during his early years with the Wizards.

[...]

The 39-year-old Brown made a Youtube video to respond to the podcast. In the video, Brown disrespectfully calls Barnes “Becky with the good hair”, tells Jackson to put down his blunt and “act like a grown man instead of a little boy”. and accused Arenas of costing him millions of dollars via contracts.

....Becky with the good hair, go to counseling...

Becky with the good hair you better shut you’re m---f----** mouth, cause I don’t like the way you started this sh-t** and that better be the last time you mention my name Becky."...
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*Here's information about the meaning of the colloquial American phrase "having a bone to pick":

**These words are fully spelled out in this instagram.

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PANCOCOJAMS NOTES ABOUT THIS USE OF "BECKY WITH THE GOOD HAIR" [Revised May 23, 2021]
Kwame Brown's use of the female name "Becky" as a referent for a man is disrespectful in and of itself because males usually don't like to be referred to as females. 

In African American culture "Becky" has become an informal, insulting general referent for White woman. That meaning as a racial connotation to Kwame Brown's use of "Becky with the good hair", particularly seen the Matt Barnes, the man he referred to, is a light skinned Black man who has hair that many Black people consider/ed "good hair" (since light skinned Black people are often of mixed racial ancestry [Black and non-Black] and often have hair whose hair texture is similar to the hair textures that most White people have).

That said, some brown skinned African Americans and other brown skinned people of Black African descent may also have so-called "good hair" (meaning "hair like White people". They may have these types of hair textures because of their non-Black (i.e. "mixed") racial ancestry via one of their parents, or one or both of their grand parents, or earlier grandparents.

I happened upon an article about Kwame Brown's May 16, 2021 Instagram post that is the focus of this post because Kwame Brown's name was in the top ten twitter accounts that were trending in the United States on May 17, 2021 (as of 12 PM). I'm not including a link to that twitter account because pancocojams is a family friendly blog and the content of that twitter account includes a lot of profanity. In addition, that twitter account also includes a number of tweets that have what is commonly known as the "n word" as well as other words that may be objectionable for children. It also appears to me that many of the commenters in that twitter account considered what Kwame Brown said as something "humorous" and commendable.  For instance, there were comments about "shots fired" by Kwame Brown (meaning insults sent by Kwame Brown to those other men) and comments about Kwame getting bodies (meaning he "verbally" shot those people with his insults). 

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Kwame Brown's use of "Becky" as a referent for a Black person isn't the first time that I found that name being used as a referent for a light skinned Black person. Here's a comment  exchange from

 Here's an excerpt from a Daily Kos article entitled "Love's Racialized Failure in "Lemonade" By PurposelyPolemical, 2016/04/26" http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/04/26/1520391/-Love-s-Racialized-Failure-in-Lemonade

...In Lemonade Beyonce not only calls out Jay-Z’s cheating, she frames that cheating as being about race when she sings, “Better call Becky with the good hair.” The term “Becky” in African American lingua franca marks whiteness; and good hair suggests someone who is mixed or not quite black. In this way, Jay’s betrayal is not just a betrayal of the heart, it’s a betrayal of her as a black woman. It’s very clear from Lemonade that the “character” of Jay Z is cheating largely because he is interested in a lighter woman with straighter her, a less black woman. This is a vital part of understanding the symbolic logic of this masterwork....

Here's a comment exchange from that daily kos.com article:

terrypinder Apr 26 · 07:55:35 PM
"Why does everyone assume Becky is white?

Does no one watch Empire?"

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PurposelyPolemical terrypinder Apr 26 · 07:57:42 PM
"I watch Empire...but I’m at a loss. Who is the black Becky on there? Remind? lol"

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terrypinder PurposelyPolemical Apr 26 · 08:13:34 PM
"Gabourey Sidibe’s character :)"
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Pancocojams editor's note:
terrypinder is obviously joking with that comment as Gabourey Sidibe is a dark skinned Black actress.
The character on the television series Empire who might be considered a Black Becky is "Anika", portrayed by (light skinned) African American actress Grace Gealey.

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