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Thursday, April 16, 2026

The Use Of "O" At The End Of Sentences In Some West African Languages & Its Possible Influence On The Use Of -O In The Titles & Lyrics Of Some Caribbean & Some American Folk Songs

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part III of a three part pancocojams series about the meaning of the "-o" in titles and lyrics of some (such as "day-o" and "valley-o")

This post presents information and theories about the influence of the use of -o in some West African languages on the use of -o in the titles and lyrics of some Caribbean and some American folk songs.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/04/comments-about-meaning-of-o-in-titles.html  for Part I of this pancocojams series. That post presents comments from two online discussion threads about the meaning of the "-O" in titles and lyrics of some (such as "day-o" and "valley-o")

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/04/titles-of-some-caribbean-folk-songs.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. That post presents examples, information, and  lists, theories about the use of -o in titles and lyrics of some Caribbean folk songs.

The content of this post is presented for linguistic and folkloric purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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DISCLAIMER
This pancocojams post doesn't mean to imply that "o" in some West African languages has the same meaning/s as "-o" in song titles and lyrics in some folks songs from the Caribbean, the USA, the UK, and elsewhere.

This post presents the possibility of the use of "o" in some West African languages influencing the use of "-o" in songs from those other places.

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INFORMATION AND COMMENTS ABOUT THE USE OF O IN SOME WEST AFRICAN LANGUAGES

Source #1
from AI Overview
"The use of "o" (or "oh") at the end of sentences is a widespread linguistic feature in West African languages, particularly within Nigeria, serving as a terminal intensifier, discourse marker, or emphatic particle. It functions as a spoken punctuation mark that adds emotion, emphasis, or a sense of camaraderie to a statement.

Usage in Yoruba

Emphasis/Confirmation: In Yoruba, the particle o is added to the end of sentences to emphasize a statement, often acting as a spoken punctuation mark.

Sign of Respect/Greeting: It is often used in greetings, such as Eku ile o (greetings to those at home) or Eku abo o (welcome).

Cultural Context: The particle is used to soften commands or signal politeness, turning a potentially abrupt sentence into one that shows warmth.

Usage in Igbo

Affirmation: According to studies, the final particle o in Igbo is used for affirmation or assent to a salutation.

Distance/Attention: It is frequently used when speaking to someone at a distance or to ensure the listener hears the message clearly.

Command Structure: It is part of the structure of many spoken Igbo phrases to add emphasis.

Usage in Nigerian Pidgin English

Terminal Intensifier: Pidgin uses "o" to heighten the meaning of a preceding phrase, similar to the Yoruba usage.

Examples:

E don taya me o! (I am truly fed up!).

Dis food sweet o! (This food is very delicious).

No vex o! (Please do not be angry).

Function: It signifies solidarity and realis modality, indicating that the statement is a serious, firm fact, suggestion, or command.

Other African Languages & Context

Areal Feature: The particle o is found along the West African coast from Sierra Leone to Nigeria, suggesting it is a shared regional linguistic feature.

Other Languages: In Duala (Cameroon), o is used for questions or calls at a distance.

Why It Is Used:

Grammatical Influence: Because the Yoruba language often avoids ending words with consonants, the addition of o acts as a phonetic, gentle ending to English words in Nigerian usage.

Emotional Depth: It is used to add tone, surprise, or drama to conversations.

Commonly Used "O" Phrases

"I no know o" (I really do not know).

"How you dey o" (How are you doing? - with emphasis).

"Na so o" (That is just how it is).
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This is the complete reprint that is the result of my April 16, 2026 question about the meaning of "o" in West African languages

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Source #2

[Pancocojams Editor's Note: 
These are selected comments from this discussion threadwith numbers added for referencing purposes only. All of these comments are from 2023]

From https://www.reddit.com/r/Nigeria/comments/1e24acg/why_do_nigerians_add_o_to_the_last_word_of_a"why do Nigerians add "o" to the last word of a sentence?"

1. slightlystupid_10
"why do Nigerians add "o" to the last word of a sentence?

Ask Naija

when I hear Nigerians speak they almost always add "o" to the last word of the sentence. for example instead of saying "How are you?" they would say "How are you o?"

 (I am not Nigerian, am an Eritrean-Canadian. love from Canada)"

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2. evil_brain
" "O" is a word in many West African languages. It's added to the end of sentences to add emphasis. Think of it as a spoken punctuation mark.

It's kind of like the particle "ma" in Mandarin Chinese. There's probably lots of other languages that have similar words. Just not the European ones."

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3. SwanDifferent
"Many interesting theories shared so far, but you've also probably been around Yoruba people. Yoruba language has no words ending with consonants. So adding o to the end of sentences in english likely arises from that quirk in their mother tongue"

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4. MildlySelassie
"This is an interesting suggestion, but I think it doesn’t really explain it. For example, lots of Ijo languages also have no words, but Ibibio and Efik and other languages nearby do have such words - but it doesn’t seem like they differ in how they use sentence-final o."

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5. [deleted]
"i don’t know o"

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6. Chip_the_Player
"I don’t know but when you find out tell me o"

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7. Neo_DD
"Emphasis.. How are you doing would actually sound like... How you dey? Or how you dey na? The first is a bit more casual and the other a bit more caring.. How you dey oo is more like a stressed question, could mean cause you didn't hear at first, or just to emphasis a bit more.."

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8. kuunami79
"Ghanaians do it too. I think it's a western African thing."

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9. mr_poppington
"It's a Naija thing but with the proliferation and spread of Nollywood and Nigerian music you find a lot of other African countries saying it now. I'm old enough to remember when Ghanaians used to laugh when we talked like that."

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10. GashDem
"Oo has been around in Ghana since before the 1980s. I doubt Nollywood is that old."

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11. [deleted]
"Wait the term Nollywood or the Nigerian film industry? If you think the Nigerian film industry doesn’t pre-date 1980, then I have to call to question everything you’ve been saying. Either you are truly a Gen Z masquerading as a Gen X or you just don’t have role range to speak on these issues."

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12. MildlySelassie
"It’s a discourse marker, or a grammatical particle - kind of like eh for Canadians, like one other commenter said.

It means a different thing, though - Canadian eh indicates that someone’s asking a question that they already have some idea of the answer to.

Pidgin o has a meaning that’s subtle to describe, and emi I no dey for 9ja. But I think it means something roughly like “this thing I am saying is more of a suggestion/command than a statement of fact of opinion”. It definitely has a meaning, it’s not okay to add it on the end of every utterance."

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13. Isaky206
"Emphasis. Or it’s like trying to let you know the question is kinda important and you have to answer."

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14. 
Work_In_Progress_007
"It is for the emphasis o!"

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15. ChampSilvanus
"I actually don't know o But the thing is already an inseparable part of our conversations"

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9jkWe3n86
"Akwa Ibom

If it's Efịk, it's a sign of respect."
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Akwa Ibom is a state in the West African nation of Nigeria. Efik is one of the languages spoken in that part of Nigeria.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akwa_Ibom_State

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INFORMATION AND THEORIES ABOUT THE INFLUENCE OF THE USE OF O IN SOME WEST AFRICAN LANGUAGES AND ITS POSSIBLE INFLUENCE ON THE USE OF -O IN SOME CARIBBEAN AND SOME AMERICAN FOLK SONGS


These quotes are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.

Source #1
From https://journals.openedition.org/linx/8350 "The sentence final particle o in Ikwere by Sylvester N. OSU 30 décembre 2021"
"The sentence final particle (henceforth SFP)1 o has been identified in several Nigerian languages (e.g., Igbo, Yoruba, Ikwere) extending to the Nigerian Pidgin English. According to Williamson (1972: 350), it is used at the end of sentences in Igbo (Benue-Congo, Igboid, Nigeria) when speaking to someone at a distance; it is also used as a sign of affirmation, or assent to a salutation. Sachnine (1997: 200) reports that it has a slight emphatic function in Yoruba (Benue-Congo, Yoruboid, Nigeria). Faraclas (1996: 116) finds that it has an emphatic marking function and adds meanings of empathy, solidarity and realis modality to the assertion in the Nigerian Pidgin English. Interestingly, the SFP o does exist in other languages outside Nigeria. For instance, Helmlinger (1972: 387) states that it is used in Duala (Benue-Congo, Bantu, Cameroon) for questions or calls at a distance. Furthermore, Singler (1988: 123) suggests that “the sentence-final particle o is a real feature par excellence, extending along the West African coast from Sierra Leone to Nigeria. English-and French-lexifier pidgins and creoles display it as well, not only in West Africa but also in the Caribbean”. To buttress this point, Singler (1988: 123-125) draws examples from Klao, Bassa, Kroumen, Wobe (Kru); Nkonya, Twi (Kwa); Mende, Kpelle, Mano (Mande); Kisi (West Atlantic); as well as Ibibio (Benue-Congo)."...
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I added italics to highlight these sentences.

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Source #2
From https://www.amazon.com/Comparative-Analysis-Jamaican-Nigerian-English/dp/1478158905 A Comparative Analysis of Jamaican Creole and Nigerian Pidgin English Paperback by Pamela Odimegwu – July 2, 2012

A Comparative Analysis of Jamaican Creole and Nigerian Pidgin English Paperback – July 2, 2012

by Pamela Odimegwu (Author)
"Nigerian Pidgin English shows a large number of similarities to Jamaican Creole or Patois. Many phrases and words in Patois are also found in Nigerian Pidgin English. Linguists believe that this is due to the fact that the majority of slaves taken to the New World were from West Africa. Though many comparative studies have been made on Pidgins and Creoles, none or not many have been made specifically on Nigerian Pidgin English and Jamaican Creole. This book examines some of the similarities and differences which exist between Nigerian Pidgin English and Jamaican Creole. The book also investigates whether these two languages do, in fact have a common origin"
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2022/09/o-at-end-of-sentences-in-yoruba-igbo.html for a 2022 pancocojams post entitled "O" At The End Of Sentences In Yoruba, Igbo, Nigerian Pidgin English & Various Other African Languages (Online Excerpts) to read these and some other excerpts on this subject.

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Titles Of Some Caribbean Folk Songs That End With "- O" (Examples: "Day-O" & "Chi-Chi Bud Oh!")

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II of a three part pancocojams series about the meaning of the "-o" in titles and lyrics of some (such as "day-o" and "valley-o")

This post presents examples, information, and theories about the meaning of the use of -o in titles and lyrics of some Caribbean folk songs. This list is culled from a Mudcat folk music discussion thread entitled "West Indian and Calypso Songs". That thread includes song books from other Caribbean nation and is still open for comments (as of April 26, 2026).

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/04/comments-about-meaning-of-o-in-titles.html  for Part I of this pancocojams series. That post presents comments from two online discussion threads about the meaning of the "-O" in titles and lyrics of some (such as "day-o" and "valley-o")

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/04/o-in-some-west-african-languages-its.html for Part III of this pancocojams series. That post presents information and theories about the influence of the use of -o in some West African languages on the use of -o in the titles and lyrics of some Caribbean folk songs.

The content of this post is presented for linguistic and folkloric purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the composers of these Caribbean folk songs and the collectors of these songs. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post..
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A LIST OF CARIBBEAN FOLK SONGS WHOSE TITLES END WITH AN "O" OR THE WORD "OH" [From Mudcat Folk Music Forum]

Pancocojams Editor's Note:
These excerpts only include the songs in these books whose titles end with an "o" or the word "oh".

These featured titles are a small subset of the titles for the songs in the books that are given in that Mudcat folk music discussion thread.

Additions and corrections are welcome.

Numbers are added for referencing purposes only and doesn't coincide with the posts (comments) that are found in that discussion thread since the posts (comments) that don't have any song titles with an "o" or "oh" ending aren't included in this pancocojams excerpt.

https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=138255

1. Subject: Index: West Indian and Calypso Songs (Silverman)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Jun 11 - 08:05 PM

"West Indian and Calypso songs /

Jerry Silverman, 1994, ©1995

English : Printed music : Popular music 1 score (64 p.) : ill. ; 32 cm.

New York : Chelsea House,...

A collection of songs created from the coming together of West African and European traditions in the Caribbean region.

 ...Feuille-o... Day-o.".. 

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2. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso Songbooks
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Jun 11 - 09:28 PM

" "SONGS FROM TRINIDAD
Edric Connor, 1958, Arranged for voices, guitar, drum and bass by Gareth Walters.

Oxford University Press, London, quarto, pbk.

...Calypsos

22. Sing Sally Oh"...

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3. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 01:56 PM

"JAMAICAN SONG AND STORY

Annancy Stories, Digging Sings, Ring Tunes, and Dancing Tunes. With introductory essays.

Walter Jekyll, coll. and edit., 1904 (Dover reprints), The Folk-lore Society, LV.

 ...Part II

...Bad homan oh!

Bell a ring a yard oh!

...Oh Samuel oh!

Oh 'liza oh!

Aunty Mary oh!

...Cheer me oh!

...Part III

Ring Tunes

...Oh me Toad oh!"...

Part IV

Dancing Tunes

(to follow in next post)"

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4. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 04:06 PM

"Jamaican Song and Story con't.

Part IV

Dancing Tunes

....Oh jilly oh!...

Susan, very well why oh!...

Blackbird a eat puppa corn, oh!"...

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5. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 09:14 PM

"Mango Time: Folk Songs of Jamaica

Noel Dexter, Geoffrey Taylor, Ian Randle Publisherds, Kingston, Jamaica, 2007.

...Day Oh...

Missa Ram Goat O..."

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6. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Gda Music
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 02:51 PM

"Folk Songs of JAMAICA

Edited and arranged by Tom Murray

Oxford University Press (60p) ....

INTRODUCTION - TOM MURRAY

KINGSTON, JAMAICA, B.W.I - April, 1951

...SONGS ABOUT ANIMALS OR BIRDS

Chi-Chi Bud Oh!....

....WORKING SONGS

...Sammy Dead Oh!"...

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7. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 04:36 PM

"FORTY FOLK SONGS OF JAMAICA

Olive Lewin, collected and transcribed by, 1973.

With musical scores, Notes and Glossary. Comments and photographs....

...Little Samuel-O (Revival song)

Wheel Oh (Jonkunnu)"...

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8. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 09:38 PM

"Songs Belafonte Sings

Harry Belafonte; Bob Bollard, ed., Charles White, illus. (New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce, 1963)

©1962 Harry Belafonte Enterprise's, Inc.

...Part Three THE WEST INDIES

Day-O

...Angelique-o"...

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9. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 06:52 PM

"Island in the Sun: The Songs of Irving Burgie

Okun, Milt, ed, (Port Chester: Cherry Lane Music Company, 1996)

© 1996 Cherry Lane Music Company

ISBN 1-5760-036-6

Day-O"...

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10. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: Padre
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 11:02 PM

"Deep the Water, Shallow the Shore" by Roger D. Abrahams contains shanties from Nevis, Tobago, and St. Vincent. The Boarding Party sang several of them, including "Solid Fas' Bully, Long Time Ago" "Yard O, Yard O"

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11. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 13 Feb 16 - 09:49 PM

" "Brown Girl in the Ring: An Anthology of Song Games from the Eastern Caribbean

Lomax, Alan, Elder, J.D., Lomax, Bess Hawes, (New York: Pantheon, 1997)

© 1997 by Alan Lomax

SONG GAMES FROM TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO

...Sammy Dead-O...

Mister Ram Goat-O...

SONG GAMES FROM DOMINICA AND ST. LUCIA

Ariyèl-O

...Ay Zabèl-O

....PASS-PLAY SONGS FROM CARRIACOU

Anana-O

Élé Misi-O

Mary and Martha Is Bound to Wear the Crown-O"...

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11.  Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 16 Feb 16 - 06:10 PM

"Le Carnival de St-Pierre (Martinique)

45 Chansons Créoles Recufillies de 1920 a 1925 par Victor Coridun

Deuxième Edition, R. Illemay, Fort-de-France, 1930

CHANSONS POLITIQUES

Périnelle, oh!..."

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12. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 17 Apr 16 - 05:28 AM

[..]

"Elia And Michele Clark – Sing Calypso Songs For Children

Columbia ‎LP: CL 995, 1957 (17 tracks)

...Oh, Gel-ique-O!"...

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13. 
Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 09:38 PM

"Songs Belafonte Sings

Harry Belafonte; Bob Bollard, ed., Charles White, illus. (New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce, 1963)

©1962 Harry Belafonte Enterprise's, Inc.

Part Three THE WEST INDIES

[...]

Day-O

Angelique-o

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14. 
Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: Padre
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 11:02 PM

"Deep the Water, Shallow the Shore" by Roger D. Abrahams contains shanties from Nevis, Tobago, and St. Vincent. The Boarding Party sang several of them, including "Solid Fas' "Bully, Long Time Ago" "Yard O, Yard O"

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15. 
Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 13 Feb 16 - 09:49 PM

Brown Girl in the Ring: An Anthology of Song Games from the Eastern Caribbean

Lomax, Alan, Elder, J.D., Lomax, Bess Hawes, (New York: Pantheon, 1997)

© 1997 by Alan Lomax

SONG GAMES FROM TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO

[...]

Sammy Dead-O

Mister Ram Goat-O

SONG GAMES FROM DOMINICA AND ST. LUCIA

[...]

Ariyèl-O

Ay Zabèl-O

[...] 

PASS-PLAY SONGS FROM CARRIACOU

Anana-O

Élé Misi-O

[...]

Mary and Martha Is Bound to Wear the Crown-O"...

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16. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 16 Feb 16 - 06:10 PM

" Le Carnival de St-Pierre (Martinique)

45 Chansons Créoles Recufillies de 1920 a 1925 par Victor Coridun

Deuxième Edition, R. Illemay, Fort-de-France, 1930

CHANSONS POLITIQUES

Périnelle, oh!

[...] 

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17. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 22 May 16 - 02:02 PM

"Songs from Trinidad

[...]

Sing Sally oh

[...]"

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Wednesday, April 15, 2026

Comments About The Meaning Of The "-O" In Titles & Lyrics Of Some Folk Songs (Examples: The Words "Day-O" And "Valley-o")

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part I of a three part pancocojams series about the 
meaning of the "-o" in titles and lyrics of some (such as "day-o" and "valley-o")

This post presents comments from two online discussion threads about the meaning of the "-O" in titles and lyrics of some (such as "day-o" and "valley-o")

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/04/titles-of-some-caribbean-folk-songs.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. That post presents examples, information, and  lists, theories about the use of -o in titles and lyrics of some Caribbean folk songs.

Click 
https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/04/o-in-some-west-african-languages-its.html for Part III of this pancocojams series. That post presents information and theories about the influence of the use of -o in some West African languages on the use of -o in the titles and lyrics of some Caribbean folk songs.

The content of this post is presented for linguistic and folkloric purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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SOURCE #1

[Pancocojams Editor's Note- Numbers are given for referencing purposes only.]

From https://www.reddit.com/r/linguistics/comments/1t0ufv/what_is_the_history_of_adding_the_syllable_o_to/

1. Rbseventhson, 2012
"What is the history of adding the syllable "O" to the end of verses in Irish and Scottish folk songs?

Apologies in advance if this is the wrong sub. It seems to be a common device in traditional Irish and Scottish folk songs to add an "O" at the end of verses. There are countless examples, including "Green grow the rashes-o", "Whiskey in the jar-o", "Alive, alive-o" (the first two examples from songs of the same name, the last from Molly Malone aka Cockles & Mussels).

Is there any explanation for how this came about or why it was done? Did the O have a meaning at some point, or did it add some significance to the line it appended?"

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2. ahsurethatsgrand, 2012
"I think it's just an exclamation which also helps to keep the rhythm of the song. I've seen it used in many Irish-language songs so perhaps it carried over into Hiberno‐English and Scottish English.

See this song for example: Caoineadh na dTrí Mhuire "Alas, and alas-o!"."

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3. [deleted], 2012
"SANTA is his name-o!"
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SOURCE #2

[Pancocojams Editor's Note:  I reformatted these comments to place the editor's name/commenter's name/s and date/s before the comment. Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.] 

From https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/78292/what-purpose-does-an-o-serve

1.
Kit Z. Fox , Aug 15, 2012 at 0:18
Tchrist, edited Aug 13, 2014
"I have been singing a lot of children’s songs lately, and this afternoon in the car I noticed three songs that add an o to the end of words:

“He had many a mile to go that night before he reached the town-o” from The Fox (no relation)

“A rare bog, a rattlin’ bog, the bog down in the valley-o” from The Rattlin’ Bog

“Day-o, me say day-o, daylight come and me wanna go home” from Day-o

This is not used for engineering a rhyme. I had considered two other possibilities. One is that it is used to extend closed consonant sounds, but this obviously doesn't hold up for valley and day.

My other theory was that it was for fitting meter, but this seems doubtful. You could substitute a comparable word to fit the meter (village instead of town, for instance). Also, valley could easily be stretched to fit. And finally, in the song “Dayo”, there is a part of the song where the o is dropped, but otherwise the line is the same: “Day, me say day, me say day, me say dayo...”

Aside from the song lyrics, it seems there are examples of this phenomenon in spoken language that may be related. For example, boyo, bucko, kiddo, daddyo, and various nicknames like Rocko, Jacko, and so on.

So where does this o come from, and what purpose does it serve?

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2. J.R. CommentedAug 15, 2012 at 1:02
"And a more modern example (courtesy of RHCP...) –

"And Bingo was his name-o."

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3. StoneyB on hiatus answered Aug 15, 2012 at 0:57,
edited May 12, 2013 at 20:59
"The OED (1st edition—another answer supplies a more recent treatment) regards this as a (usually Scots) variant of older -a, both being common tags on the rhyming words in popular ballads (-o from 1727, -a from 1567). See this and this for examples. Note that the convention is only to record the extra syllable in the first stanza, no doubt to save the printer effort.

At A, inter., 4 OED conjectures that it arose in "the necessary retention of ME. final -e where wanted for measure" (that is, meter). I can adduce no example, nor is it likely that any could be found, since would have occurred in the spoken (or sung) language's evolution—and certainly before printing and a rising middle-class market provided an incentive to record such vulgarities.

Uniting arguments at both A and O, we find it implied that over the course of time this extra syllable came to be regarded as an interjection, Ah! or Oh!, evolved thence into a stock ornament of popular song, and eventually became so identified with the genre that it became a 'signature' of burlesque balladry.

This seems very plausible to me. -o marks the genre—and incidentally provides the balladmaker additional melodic opportunity.

EDIT: I believe this answers your question with respect to your first two quotations. In the third o more likely represents a weary interjection. @tchrist's answer seems to me to address your penultimate paragraph.'....

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4. Kit Z. Fox Commented Aug 15, 2012 at 11:55
"In your example, those look like vocative Os. That has the interesting implication that they could be used in an attempt to encourage the audience to participate in the song, which actually makes a lot of sense."

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5. 
Kit Z. Fox Commented Aug 15, 2012 at 11:57
"The first part of your answer is a bit tricky though. None of the examples tag rhyming words, and also (I don't believe) any of them have what would be considered to be a final -e, and though this may have become a genre marker, still, why on words that don't meet those criteria? "

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6. tchrist answered Aug 15, 2012 at 0:37
user2512 edited Aug 15, 2012 at 20:18
"Edit

I should have checked the OED3; it has significantly expanded its treatment.

They seem much more certain now, citing three distinct origins, then following that up with significant discussion in their finest print, and then their four distinct senses. Skip the fine print the first time you read this.

Etymology: < -o, of various origins:

(i) as the final syllable of words of chiefly Romance origin;

(ii) as the vowel that became final after the shortening of a word by dropping the syllables following a medial o, especially in compounds truncated after a prefix or combining form ending in -o ; and

(iii) < ho int.1, O int., and oh int., occurring as a second element in various exclamatory phrases. The suffix is attached both to full words and to truncated forms of words and phrases.

(Here is where the fine print occurs.)

Forming slang and colloquial nouns, adjectives, and interjections. The use of the suffix is widespread in English-speaking countries and is especially associated with Australia.

Forming interjections, as whacko int., whammo int.

Forming familiar, informal equivalents of nouns and adjectives, as (from truncated word-forms) aggro n. and adj., combo n., metho n.1; (from complete words) bucko n., kiddo n.; cheapo adj., neato adj.

Forming personal nouns from non-personal nouns, as milko n., wino n.1

Forming nouns from adjectives, as pinko n., weirdo n.

Fine Print

Borrowing of words ending in -o from Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish, with retention of the final vowel, began in the early 16th cent. (e.g. Morisco adj., frizado n.). Previously, such forms had usually been assimilated to native phonological structure by the removal of the final vowel. Since unstressed final long vowels had not hitherto been part of English phonology, there was a tendency for the vowels o and a in this position to be confused; in spelling, final o frequently replaced a and other syllables (e.g. in camisado n. (Spanish camisada), calico n. (compare the place name Calicut), both from before 1550), and this tendency to substitute o continued into the 17th cent. and later (compare mango n.1 (Portuguese manga ), lingo n.1 (Portuguese lingua)); there are also English formations which appear to have been made in imitation of Romance loanwords (e.g. stingo n. and perhaps the nonce-word twango int.). By the late 17th cent., final -o seems to have become assimilated into English phonology and appears in new words of undetermined origin, e.g. bingo n.1, rhino n.1

The shortening of a word immediately after a medial o, and in particular where this occurs at the end of a prefix or combining form, first appears in the late 17th cent. and early 18th centuries, e.g. plenipo n., memo n., and hypo n.1 This probably established an association of the ending -o with casual or light-hearted use which it has retained ever since. Further examples are attested in the early 19th cent., e.g. (combining forms) Anglo n.1, mezzo n.1, typo n.; (other words) compo n.2, loco n.1 After 1851 this type of clipping becomes, and has remained, extremely common. Truncation after a written o not pronounced as such may be the explanation of tambo n.1 (mid 19th cent.), which, if not the first example of the use of the suffix -o, seems to anticipate its later pattern of use with truncated word-forms.

The attachment of ho int.1, O int., and oh int. to other words to form conventional cries and refrains is attested from late Middle English, e.g. in heave ho int. and n., hey-ho int.; alive ho! is attested from the early 18th cent. or earlier (see (all) alive, (alive), oh! at alive adj. Phrases 2); and expressions such as righto int. and n., billy-o n., and cheerio int. are attested from the later 19th and early 20th cent. A number of words occur in the second half of the 19th cent. which appear to have their origin in the attachment of one of these interjections to a noun or adjective to form a refrain-like or vocative expression (such as a form of address or a public announcement) which was subsequently used as an ordinary noun or adjective (compare spell oh! (or ho!) at spell n.3 3c). Some of these are normally or frequently written as hyphenated compounds of -ho , -O or -oh, e.g. smoke-ho n., dead-oh adj. (late 19th cent.), bottle-o(h n., rabbit-o n. and int. (early 20th cent.), daddy-o n. (mid 20th cent.), while others (see below) are treated in spelling as having the suffix -o; their classification as cases or non-cases of the present suffix is rather arbitrary. The earliest example which shows a clear transition from one use to the other is milko int. and n.; other examples of the use of the suffix in similar formations are kiddo n. and Relievo n.2 (a game named after the cry used in it) (late 19th cent.), whizzo int. and adj., and socko int., adj., and n. (first half of 20th cent.).

From the early 20th cent. the addition of the suffix to complete words to form nouns, adjectives, and interjections of all kinds becomes very common, e.g. wino n.1, whacko int., and cheapo adj. The earliest example of the addition of the suffix to a truncated word is probably beano n. (second half of 19th cent.), followed by Salvo n.3, an Australian formation; another (uncertain) example from the same time and place is robbo n. Since the beginning of the 20th cent. formations of this kind have become numerous, e.g. ammo n., arvo n. (one of several later Australian formations), and wacko adj.

The suffix is not infrequently used to create product names, among the earliest being blanco n. and Oxo n. in the late 19th cent.

Examples

It’s not surprising you heard it in songs; I think it happens there a lot. Consider the words the children’s song The Farmer in the Dell:

          The farmer in the dell

          The farmer in the dell

          Heigh-ho, the derry-o

          The farmer in the dell.

This kind of thing is used a great deal by the “nonsense” of Tolkien’s Tom Bombadil character when he sings — which he pretty much does always, even when it’s written as prose.

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I imagine uncountably many similar examples could be pulled from literature and nursery rhymes alike."

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7. Kit Z. Fox  Commented Aug 15, 2012 at 11:48
"Wow, that's a lot of text. So you are basically saying that it is used like an interjection or exclamation to add emphasis? I think this is also what StoneyB was saying."

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8. FumbleFingers answered Aug 15, 2012 at 3:14,
edited Aug 15, 2012 at 12:02
"In and of itself, the "-o" suffix has no real "meaning" or "etymology".

I think one could easily over-analyse this suffix. Even if they've never been taught it in school, all English speakers know that the sounds they use to form words are basically divided into "vowels" and "consonants". In relaxed/familiar contexts, we habitually discard trailing consonants from words, and sometimes add vowels.

The name Steven/Stephen is routinely shortened to "Steve", and may then be extended to "Stevie", for example. As it happens, not many Stevens / Stephens are called "Steve-o", but Danno, Richo, Robbo etc. are standard "diminutive" forms.

Appended to names of individuals, the suffix often conveys familiarity/inclusiveness/approval. The speaker (but not necessarily everyone else) can use this special "pet name". As with "Dad/Daddie", it's only used by certain people, of certain others.

Added to identifiers that aren't actually names, those "positive" associations are usually swamped by the more dismissive/condemnatory connotations of "familiarity" (that which breeds contempt). We know of something, and wish to convey that fact through the way we refer to it. But we want to place some "distance" between ourselves and the referent, by using a variant of the standard identifier. Thus, psycho, wino, fatso, whacko, weirdo, dumbo, etc.

In another common context, it's just an interjection (based on "Oh!") that adds an element of informality (good-o, right[y]-[h]o, run like billy-o, etc.).

Apparently other languages use the suffix with "negative" connotations - examples from Swedish: "fetto" 'fat person' (< "fet" 'fat'), "neggo" 'negative person' (< "negative" 'negative'), "dummo" 'stupid person' (< "dum" 'stupid'), "nordo" 'neird' (< "nord" 'neird')

TL;DR: "-o" is just a generic "diminutive" where the "meaning" (if any) depends on context.

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9. 
Kit Z. Fox Commented Aug 15, 2012 at 11:59 
"So are you saying that town-o, valley-o, and day-o are all diminutives? "

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10. FumbleFingers Commented Aug 15, 2012 
"@KitFox: I'm not sure I've ever heard town-o or valley-o, and day-o only suggests The Banana Boat Song to me, so I can't really say whether the suffix itself means anything at all in those cases. But yes - I'd still consider them "diminutive" forms, even if I can't say what purpose the suffix might serve in those specific cases. There is a reasonably consistent difference if you say "Good-o!" instead of "Good!", or refer to, say, Robusto here as "Robbo", is all I know. "

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11. Kit Z. Fox Commented Aug 15, 2012 at  12:48
"Well, town-o, valley-o, and day-o (from the Banana Boat Song) are the examples I mention above, with handy links. I don't think interpreting them as diminutives makes sense. I also want to point out that you needn't modify Robusto—he comes with his emphasis built in."

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12. FumbleFingers Commented Aug 15, 2012 at 13:59
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@KitFox: I think you and I have different ideas of what it means to call something a diminutive form. To me, it's a just a structural thing that doesn't inherently add any specific meaning that needs to "make sense". In my examples, you can infer a semantic nuance, but in yours it's probably more a matter of scansion within song lyrics."

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13. Mitch, August 15, 2012 at 14:42 
"@FumbleFingers: 'diminutive' makes me think of something smaller. What do you mean by 'diminutive'? Oh, I see in your link: "a formation of a word used to convey a slight degree of the root meaning, smallness of the object or quality named, encapsulation, intimacy, or endearment". That doesn't seem relevant to any of the examples mentioned by you or anyone else."

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14. FumbleFingers, CommentedAug 15, 2012 at 17:04
"@Mitch: That definition seems apposite to me. Danno, Robbo convey familiarity/endearment, good-o, right-o familiarity/informality, and wino, fatso contemptuous/belittling familiarity. I don't think there's any meaningful nuance in OP's examples from lyrics - they just help the scansion/metre along"
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"The Big Ships Sail On The Alley Alley O" (Examples Of & Theories About The Origins And Meanings Of This British Children's Singing Game)

Ally Ally Oh

Vincent Bates, Uploaded on Mar 23, 2011
Oh, the big ships are sailing down the Ally Ally Oh, the Ally Ally Oh, the Ally Ally Oh.
Oh, the big ships are sailing down the Ally Ally Oh. Hey, ding dong day.

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post showcases the British children's singing game "The Big Ships Sail On The Alley Alley O".

 Four YouTube videos of this singing game and some examples of its lyrics are included in this post. This post also presents some theories about the origins and meanings of "The Big Ships Sail On The Alley Alley O" singing game.

The content of this post is presented for historical, folkloric, cultural, and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to all those who are featured in this video. Thanks also to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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Most of this post is a reprint of a 2017 pancocojams post that is still available to read and to add comments.

Here's the link to that post:https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/03/some-theories-about-origin-meaning-of.html "Some Theories About The Origin & Meaning Of "The Big Ship Sails On The Alley Alley O" Singing Game".

The comments that were published in that 2017 post's discussion thread are given in the Addendum to this 2026 post.
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I thought about this old singing game after reading about the current situation in April 2026 involving the blockade of the Strait of Hormuz near Iran. Hopefully, that situation will be peacefully resolved very soon.

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DISCLAIMER
This post departs from pancocojams' overall mission to provide information and examples of Black cultures throughout the world.

As is the case with some other pancocojams posts about children's recreational rhymes, singing games, and cheers, I'm showcasing these examples of "The Big Ships Sail On The Alley Alley O" because I appreciate children's recreational folk music genres and I'm interested in documenting and sharing these part of folk culture regardless of their racial origin or participation.

The comments about the origin and meanings of "Big Ship Sails" are meant to document some of the theories about the origins and meanings of this singing game.

I've no idea what the real origin and meaning of "The Big Ships Sail On The Alley Alley O" is (although I'm leaning toward the last explanation that is given in this pancocojams post (Source #4; comment written by 
Anne Lowe).

Some theories can be discounted because versions of that singing game are documented before the events that spawned those theories. But perhaps the real origin and meaning of this singing game may never be known and may never be agreed upon.

I include comments from other online sources in part to help ensure that that information is retained and disseminated. I encourage pancocojams visitors to visit those linked articles/blogs to read their entire content.

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ADDITIONAL PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S COMMENTS [written in 2017]
This post grew out of this pancocojams post about "thread the needle" singing games: http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/03/thread-needle-games-in-britain-united.html "Thread The Needle" Games In Britain, The United States, The Cameroons, & Jamaica

I added a video of "The Big Ships Sail On The Alley Alley O." to that pancocojams thread [given below as Video Example #1] because it is an example of a "thread the needle" singing game.

I hesitated to publish a separate post on "The Big Ships" singing game because this blog focuses on music and dance and other cultural indices from Africa and the Black African Diaspora and I don't want to give the impression that "The Big Ships" singing game is of Black African origin or that variants of that singing game were composed by Black Americans. [If so, I don't know of any.]

But it occurred to me that other children's rhymes and other children's singing games that I've showcased on this blog don't meet those criteria, but were (sometimes; also) played by people of African or Black African Diaspora descent* the same way that non-Black people played them....

For what it's worth, I don't remember "The Big Ships" or "The Dusty Bluebells" from my childhood (in the 1950s in New Jersey). I don't think either one of those singing games were/are well known and independently played by children in the USA (without teacher or other adult direction).

Of course, I might be wrong about that.

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THREE MORE SHOWCASE VIDEOS OF "THE BIG SHIPS SAIL..."
Example #2: The Big Ship Sails On The Alley Alley O -(Lyrics) Trad Arr P.M.Adamson



Peter M. Adamson Published on Aug 13, 2013

The origins of this song are somewhat mixed but general consensus seems to imply links to The Manchester Ship Canal, Liverpool Docks and The Atlantic Ocean. The Canal is often referred to as the gateway to the Atlantic. There are some suggestions that the song was sung at the Opening of the canal in 1894. The word 'Alley' could refer to the canal as a passage (Entry's in Salford were called Back Alley's) but it could also be the Alley as in Atlantic,the O being for Ocean or merely a child's addition in song. The song was also used for a children's game involving movement. The song was also sung in a Rita Tushingham /Dora Bryan film set in Manchester called 'A Taste of Honey'. The instrumental middle features the Tune 'Portsmouth' which I included because of it's Nautical connection.
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Here are some comments from this video's discussion thread
Leatheryed1, 2015
"I suspect that it is actually from the French: 'à l'eau' which means 'at the water'?"

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Leatheryed1
"+Peter M. Adamson Yes it is interesting that the French term would fit in this song so neatly. Maybe it was originally a French song or a song that sailors came back from France with that they modified? Some fascinating origins that a lot of our British stuff came from!"...
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This continues with comments about another children’s rhyme "Higgledy Piggledy,”

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Peter M. Adamson, 2015
"+Leatheryed1 You may be on to something regarding origins of this song as many songs were transported across the waters and while there seems to be no explanation of the origins of the Big Ship there could well be something in your theory. If the song did originate in Manchester it would not be unreasonable as The Docks were there and naturally intercontinental travellers. As a child, in the 1950's I only remember The Guinness Boat and The Banana Boat both from The Atlantic direction but nonetheless there must have been ships from all over the world docking there and of course the song was sung long before then.The more I think about it the more I think you are right on this"...
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Example #3- The Big Ship Sails on the Alley Alley O


Homespun Occasions, Apr 27, 2015

Traditional British Singing Game led by Boston Revels at NEFFA Festival 2015
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Here's my transcription of the lyrics to this singing game:
"Oh the big ships sail through the alley alley o
the alley alley o
the alley alley o
 the big ships sail through the alley alley o
All the live long day"
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Here's the only comment that is found in that video's discussion thread:

@operaFan-tn8ng, 2026
"Wrong tune and wrong words"

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Example #4 - 
The Big Ship Sails on the Ally-Ally-Oh-The Countdown Kids | Kids Songs & Pirate Songs | Lyrics Video


The Countdown Kids, Premiered Aug 18, 2025

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"Lyrics The big ship sails on the ally-ally-oh, The ally-ally-oh, the ally-ally-oh. Oh, the big ship sails on the ally-ally-oh, On the last day of September. Ally, ally oh! Ally oh! On the last day of September! The captain said it will never, never do, Never, never do, never, never do. Oh, the captain said it will never, never do On the last day of September! Ally, ally oh! Ally oh! On the last day of September! The big ship sank to the bottom of the sea, The bottom of the sea, the bottom of the sea. Oh, the big ship sank to the bottom of the sea, On the last day of September! Ally, ally oh! Ally oh! On the last day of September! The big ship sails on the ally-ally-oh, The ally-ally-oh, the ally-ally-oh. Oh, the big ship sails on the ally-ally-oh, On the last day of September. Ally ally oh! Ally oh! On the last day of September"
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OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF THE SINGING GAME "THE BIG SHIP SAILS ON THE ALLEY ALLEY O"
These comments are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.
Source #1:
From http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=15074

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Big Ship Sails ^^
From: roopoo [mouldy]
Date: 08 Nov 99 - 02:28 AM

"I can remember as a small child at school in Buxton, we all held hands in a line. The person on the end of the line put their right arm on the wall and then the others went under, the kid by the wall letting their left arm follow through to cross the arms. The line the went under the arch made by the first kid's left arm and the next kid's right and so on, until all had their arms crossed in front. They then made a circle, still with arms crossed, and sort of twisted left and right as they chanted the follow-on rhyme so that their arms (in front of their bodies at waist height) sort of slid up and down each other. I think the Big Ship song was finished off before the follow-on chant started:
Ip dip dip, my blue ship, Sailing on the water like a cup and saucer ip dip dip, my blue ship, O-U-T spells out!

At this point the memory is getting a bit unreliable (it was nearly 40 years ago) but at some point I think the arms were "bounced" up and down, maybe on the O-U-T spells out. Although it is a bit like a selection chant, I think it was merely the next down the line who started off again."

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Big Ship Sails
From: Peter T.
Date: 08 Nov 99 - 02:20 PM

"Yes, the Opies on the trail..... In "The Singing Game" (Iona and Peter Opie, OUP, 1985) they call it the only survivor of the ancient "Thread The Needle" game, of which visual record goes back to the Lorenzetti frescos in Siena in 1350! Variations are found in Appalachian dance ("Killiecrankie, Winding Up the Maple Leaf, etc.) and in England under "Dan, Dan, Thread the Needle."

They note that the problem with the Manchester Ship Canal origin is that there is an 1870 recollection from New Zealand; and that it has some obscure connection to the Christmas ships sailing, and various "through and throught the salley go" threading the needle songs. They give an extensive description of how to play the game, as well as a picture, which I am puzzling out. Boy, I can hardly wait to try this one out.....

One version:
1) Long line of people holding hands.
2) The two people at one end, hold up their hands to form an arch.
3) The player at the other end of the line, everyone still holding hands, runs through the arch, pulling everyone along through as well. (Thus twisting the original arch makers)
4) The new two leading people form an arch, and the last person in the line (one of those who had formed the original arch) goes through, and the process continues until everyone is twisted around.
5) They then form a circle of their twisted arms, and fall down at the end!!!!!

Up against the wall version:

1) Long line with last person making an arch with her hand high up on a wall.
2) Person at other end leads whole line through the arch, and last person's arms are thus crossed over
3) The orginal line leader now moves the line through the arch (alley) between the player at the wall and her nearest neighbour, who is likewise "stitched". The line then goes through the arch between the second and the third player.
4) And so on. After the last stich is made, all players go into a circle. Dancing in a circle, or falling down ensuues!!!!
yours, Peter T. "
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Big Ship Sails
From: Peter T.
Date: 08 Nov 99 - 02:24 PM

"Oops, should have said that mouldy's version is the one cited by the Opie's (up against the wall variant)! Nice to hear from a trained expert!!!!!!!yours, Peter T."

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Big Ship Sails
From: GUEST,Fred
Date: 28 Jun 08 - 03:01 AM

"In the dentist's today a (very) young mum had had brought her (I guess) 12 or 18 month old daughter, The little one (not olde enough to talk properly) was happy as larry in the play area pushing a plasic bus round and singing at the top of her voice "big shi ally alley o as ay ast ay ao ep ember"

Mum looked young enough to be my grandaughter and I was fascinated to see our culture so demonstrably being passed through the gerenerations. I learned the song as a child from my mother (a native of Liverpool, and graduate of the university of life) more than sixty years ago.

Looking for the origins of the song I ended up here.

From what I can see it has connections with shipping, and ties in to Liverpool especially, possibly tyneside too. Some associate it with the Manchester ship canal that linkes the cotton industry in Manchester with the sea, and that could be so, regarding the canal as a new form of "alley"

I was interested by the suggestion from martin above that the alleo might be shorthand for the Atlantic Ocean, and for my own contribution, I could easily see it as a shanty used to mark time by sailors working the ropes on rigged ships. Given the connection with Liverpool and the Atlantic, and the references to sinking and drowning, I suspect it pre-dates the ship canal."

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Big Ship Sails
From: GUEST,Fred
Date: 28 Jun 08 - 03:18 AM

"Extra bit:
The Atlantic crossing can be rough, especially in winter, and I've just read a suggestion that the last day of September is about the turn of the weather, so any ship's captain delaying sailing across the Atlantic Ocean until then would be at risk of bad weather, and thus his crew would be more at risk on the crossing.

Gut instinct says it was a sea shanty used to mark time by sailors on rigged trading ships crossing the Atlantic, and taught by old salts to their grandchildren and turned it into a game that may or may not have origins in the rope moving through ship fittings, as a line of children move under the arns of another, echoing the movement of the rope.

And generations later, a child in a dentist unwittingly recalls her genetic origins in song. Nice."

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Subject: Lyr Add: THE HOLLY, HOLLY, HO
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 30 Mar 09 - 10:21 PM

"From First Year Music: Rote Songs for Kindergarten and First Year by Hollis Dann (New York: American Book Company, 1914)—where there is a musical score for voice and piano:


THE HOLLY, HOLLY, HO

The big ship sails thro' the Holly, Holly, Ho!
Holly, Holly, Ho! Holly, Holly, Ho!
The big ship sails thro' the Holly, Holly, Ho!
On the last day of December!

Children form a circle, joining hands and singing. One child, representing a ship, runs in and out, stopping at the end, in front of another child. The one chosen now represents the ship. The game may be continued in this way until all have been chosen."

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Big Ship Sails
From: GUEST,Trish
Date: 01 Jan 13 - 03:15 PM

"Just did a quick search and got the below, don't know if it's true or not:

Rhyme & History

THE BIG SHIP SAILS ON THE ALLY-ALLY-OH

The big ship sails on the ally-ally-oh
The ally-ally-oh, the ally-ally-oh
Oh, the big ship sails on the ally-ally-oh
On the last day of September.

The captain said it will never, never do
Never, never do, never, never do
The captain said it will never, never do
On the last day of September.

The big ship sank to the bottom of the sea
The bottom of the sea, the bottom of the sea
The big ship sank to the bottom of the sea
On the last day of September.

We all dip our heads in the deep blue sea
The deep blue sea, the deep blue sea
We all dip our heads in the deep blue sea
On the last day of September.

The words of the Nursery Rhyme and children's song, 'The big ship sails... ' have been suggested by Kevin Dinnin. Little is known about the origins of the song, but we have speculated on possible origins

The big ship sails
Nursery Rhyme lyrics, origins and history

Nursery Rhyme Origins

The rhyme and song was often sang by children playing skipping games, the lyrics suited the ritual chants for children 'jumping in' the skipping ropes. Perhaps the term 'big ships' provide a clue to the origins. The Manchester Ship canal was opened in 1894 and is the eighth-longest ship canal in the world, being only slightly shorter than the Panama Canal in Central America. The MSC was built for ocean-going ships - there were only six ships in the world too big to use the Ship Canal. These big ships started their journeys on the canal which led to the sea. The Manchester Ship Canal connected Manchester, W England, with the Mersey estuary at Eastham, Birkenhead. Perhaps this is the origin of the song...

Info supplied by Kevin Dinnin"

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Subject: RE: Lyr ADD: The Big Ship Sails
From: GUEST,Guest: Siri
Date: 07 Feb 25 - 12:25 AM

"Listen to Jean Redpath's (1937-2014) recording:

https://www.tobarandualchais.co.uk/track/76770?l=en 

Quote:

Track Information

Original Track ID

SA1960.205.A12

Original Tape ID

SA1960.205

Summary

The big ship sails through the eely ally o,

The eely ally o, the eely ally o,

The big ship sails through the eely ally o

On a cold and frosty morning.

 

The big ship sinks to the bottom o the sea,

The bottom o the sea, the bottom o the sea,

The big ship sinks to the bottom o the sea

On a cold and frosty morning.

 

Jean Redpath describes the game that goes with the song. Everybody joined hands in a line, with the person at one end putting their right hand against the wall. The person at the opposite end of the line walked through the arch formed by the person with their hand on the wall, and all the children went through until they formed a chain with hands crossed, then the end people joined hands and the line danced in a circle for the middle verse, and returned to the wall to unwind the chain.

Item Notes

Two verses of a children's game song.

See:

'Golden City' (James T. R. Ritchie, 1965) pp. 153-154

End Quote"
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Source #2
From http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/History/Question223100.html
Fibonacci, 16th Apr 2006
"I thnik I have read somewhere that Irish children used to call the sea the "Illey Alley O" "

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DevonHawker, 07th Aug 2008
..."Someone answered earlier and said about the Irish children referring to the sea as the Illey alley o,bear in mind a lot of the workforce on the MSC were Irish "Navigators" (navvies as they became known in the area) so called as they dug ,by hand, the NAVIGATIONAL canal's of the time.

A lot of them settled in the area and there families remained for generations,my own included, so originally it may have been from the Irish Illey alley o, but Anglicised.

One of the reasons for this Anglicisation may have been down to the geographics of the area. I recall as a child in 1960s and 70s that at certain points you could look down the alleys that ran between the back to back terraced houses and quite literally see the big ship sailing "down the alley"."...

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Source #3
From comment section of http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/03/thread-needle-games-in-britain-united.html
slam2011, March 17, 2017 at 5:24 AM
"I just realised the Alley-oh video tune is not quite the one I remember. Not unusual, there must be thousands of variants.

As far as I recall, we sang:

The big ship sails down the alley-alley-oh
The alley-alley-oh
The alley-alley-oh
Oh the big ship sails down the alley-alley-oh
On the last day of September.

My husband he is the captain of the crew
The captain of the crew
The captain of the crew
My husband he is the captain of the crew
On the last day of September.

I dipped my head in the deep blue sea,
The deep blue sea
The deep blue sea..

And here my memory gets faulty. I think there may have been something about 'never never die'.

What puzzled me as a child was, we always used to call marbles 'alleys'. When we played alleys we used the heel of a shoe to make a hole in the soft ground to roll the alleys into: this was the alley-hole, or as we said it, 'the alley'ole'...And I used to think, however could a big ship sail down the alley-hole???"
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This comment refers to a video given in that "thread the needle" pancocojams post and also given here as Video Example #1.

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From https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-18017,00.html SEMANTIC ENIGMAS

"The big ship sails down the alley alley o", I remember. But was it the last or the first day of September and does it have any historical relevance?

P McVeigh, Munich Germany
"The last day of September. Apparently there are several theories about the significance of the song but most of them have been debunked. It is one of the last survivors of the ancient "thread the needle" dance/game."...

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Anne, Sunland, California, USA
"It's about the Manchester Ship Canal and as Manchester Docks at the end of the canal are actually in Salford, Salford kids used to sing the song many years ago."

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Little Jockey, Salford England
"Sorry, folks but the Alley-Alley-o is the Suez Canal. It commemorates its opening in NOVEMBER 1869. I sang it, with my parents or my contemporary infant pals in the early 1930s == years before the Second World War."

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howard, stockport England
" 'Alley O' does seem to suggest The Atlantic Ocean. The song was certainly popular in Salford, Manchester, and Liverpool where big (cargo) ships sailed from. I remember it in a Taste Of Honey and it is still popular today in Salford. I have sung it regularly in school with the younger ones who regularly request it."

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P M Adamson, Salford, UK
"We sang this song in Bradford, Manchester, in the 1940s. Children used to form a circle, and two would form an arch to pass under whilst singing this song. I thought it referred to a view of a ship launch, down a street in Tyneside."

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Kate, Stafford UK
"PS The Manchester ship canal was opened in January 1894, but the last day of September fits the song well!!"

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Anne Lowe, Glasgow
"The Alley O is the Atlantic Ocean. Clearly nothing to do with a canal. The Arctic sank on the 27th September and it could very well have been the last day of September that children in Liverpool would have heard the dreadful news about the" disaster. http://history1800s.about.com/od/steamships/a/wreckofarctic.htm
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Here's an excerpt from that article: The Sinking of the Steamship Arctic
by Robert McNamara, Updated August 28, 2014
"The sinking of the steamship Arctic in 1854 stunned the public on both sides of the Atlantic, as the loss of 350 lives was staggering for the time. And what made the disaster a shocking outrage was that not a single woman or child aboard the ship survived.

Lurid tales of panic aboard the sinking ship were widely publicized in newspapers. Members of the crew had seized the lifeboats and saved themselves, leaving helpless passengers, including 80 women and children, to perish in the icy North Atlantic."...

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ADDENDUM- DISCUSSION THREAD COMMENTS FROM THE 2017 PANCOCOJAMS POST ABOUT THIS SUBJECT 

Pancocojams Editor's Note- This reprint presents a total of 26 comments (visitors comments and my replies) from the 2017 pancocojams post on this subject. That post is still available on this blog and may contain new comments that were added after the publication date of this 2026 post. Comments to this 2026 post are also welcome below.  

  1. I woke up with this song in my head (no idea why!) and searched for its origins. I learned it as a kid from my mother who was from Birkenhead and my granddad worked as a boiler maker at Cammel Laird’s. I’m leaning towards the sinking of the Arctic theory as that ship must have been a regular sight in Liverpool and the accident a terrible loss of more than 300 passengers. By the way, many thanks to you, Azizi, for this interesting and important documentation of history and culture!

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    1. You're welcome, Ros Griffiths.

      I appreciate you sharing your information about how you learned the "The Big Ship Sails On The Alley Alley O" rhyme this rhyme and what you think it might mean.

      I had never heard of this rhyme until I read about it on http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=15074.

      Although this pancocojams blog focuses on African American and other Black cultures throughout the world, I also love to share cultural examples of children's rhymes and singing games -even if those examples may not have originated from those populations and even though those examples aren't well known, or known at all among those populations.

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  2. Here's a comment that was posted to another pancocojams post about British children's rhymes and songs: "Thread The Needle" Games In Britain, The United States, The Cameroons, & Jamaica http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/03/thread-needle-games-in-britain-united.html

    Unknown August 6, 2018 at 9:29 AM
    "I grew up in Salford, the inland end of the Manchester Ship Canal (MSC), where there were docks in Manchester and Salford separated by a swinging road bridge on Trafford Road. The swinging brigge was permanently fixed about 20 years ago along with a doubling of the road's width by the construction of a fixed bridge alongside.

    We used to sing this song at 'playtime' in the school yard (Langworthy Road school). It had no connection to the MSC and we knew by the lyrics it was about a ship going to sea after a certain time of year, leading it's captain to fear the worst and foretelling their demise.

    "Ally Oh" was part of a style of word corruption that was typical where I lived back then, and almost certainly meant the Atlantic Ocean. Nobody ever refered to the MSC as the Alley.

    Wayne"

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    Thanks for your comment, Wayne!

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  3. The tune is actually a French CANADIAN dance tune known variously at Glise de Sherbrooke, Quadille de Chez Nous, Grande Chain, Reel de Tadoussac, etc. It was first recorded by Joseph Allard in 1918 and could be his re-invention of Home Sweet Home.

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    1. Unknown, thanks for sharing that information.

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  4. When I started learning French, I realized that "there is the water" would be "Il y a l'eau." Alley Alley Oh sounds an awful lot like a slight butchering of this. It's a stretch, but who knows.

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    1. Thanks for sharing that possible origin of those words with us, unknown.

      I've wondered what "the alley alley o" meant in that rhyme.

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  5. The rhyme is about the sinking of the SS Artic -- see, e.g.,https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Arctic the Artic sunk on September 27, 1854, en route from New York to Liverpool. Although there were reports that, in panic, able seamen and male passengers ignored the "woen and children first" custom, and the captain indeed went "down with the ship" (only to survive), there was never a true inquiry. Survivors were all male, mostly crew members. Alie Allie O refers to the Atlantic Ocean.

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  6. If there is a "French Connection" regarding the tune and the phrase Allie Allie O, then it no doubt lends credence to the fact that th SS Artic sunk off the coast of Newfoundland, and survivors' tales would have been first told amongst a heavily francophone sailing populace in Newfoundland and even Quebec.

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    1. CultMan, thanks for your comment.

      Here's a link to information about this disaster which may or may not be related to the children's singing game "The Big Ship Sails On The Alley Alley O" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Arctic.

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  7. I learned this as a child from my mother who had it from her father, who was born in Manchester but moved from there as a baby in 1889. He played it with his elder brothers (b 1880 onward). Always loved it as I was born on 30 Sep and no kids where we lived knew it! Think the Arctic theory fits well. Thanks so much to our host for this discussion.

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    1. Anonymous, November 19, 2020,

      You're welcome and thank you for sharing your memory of this rhyme, and including demographic information.

      I don't remember "The Big Ship Sails" rhyme from my childhood, but learned about it from reading various examples of it in this discussion thread on the Mudcat folk music forum: https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=15074.

      The first comment in that discussion thread is from 1999 and the latest comment is from 2017. (comments are still open) if you or anyone else would like to add to that documentation of information about and examples of that rhyme.

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  8. Thanks for all this! I am just researching the best singing games to play with young students (as a substitute teacher) and I wanted to have some background on the song in case inquiring little minds had questions about it (as they do).

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    1. You're welcome, Anonymous.

      I'm glad that you happened upon this post. Thank you for your work with and support of students' learning, inquisitiveness, and creativity.

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  9. I wondered whether the 'French connection' might be something along the lines of 'il est allé ou?' Just a thought . . .

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    1. Thanks for sharing that thought, David M.

      Since I don't speak or read French, I'll leave it to those who do to comment about that possibility.

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  10. As an alternative to the Arctic sinking, there may be a historical and legal reason why the big ship sailed on the last day of September. A CIF (Cost, Insurance, Freight) contract for the international sale of bulk goods such as wheat or coal would specify the month in which the goods were to be shipped so that the buyer would know roughly when they would arrive. There was of course no electronic communication. September would be a good month for shipments across the North Atlantic or other Northern Hemisphere sea in order for the cargo to arrive before winter. A shipment date of 30 September would be within the contract but a shipment date of 1 October would be a breach of the contract, giving the buyer a right to claim against the seller and the seller a potential claim against the shipowner. The fact that the captain said this will never, never do and that the ship sank to the bottom of the sea suggests that the captain did not want to sail on 30 September either because the ship was not yet seaworthy or because of bad weather, but he was under pressure from the seller and shipowner to sail on that day.

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    1. Thanks for sharing that information. unknown.

      Your theory makes a lot of sense.

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    2. Me again.. didn’t give my name before. I’m Sue. A note about the song. I remember hearing it was short for the Atlantic Ocean. We do tend to shorter words more than 2/3 syllables. ;)

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    3. Hello, Sue. Thanks for your comments.

      As to "alley alley o" being short for "the Atlantic ocean".m that "sounds" like it would fit very well given the custom of shortening words in rhymes and songs.

      Best wishes!

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  11. The big ship sales ditty info is correct about the Manchester/Liverpool canal and the Salford docks. We sang that all the time. I remember that. I was born in Salford. Their was a lot of northern pride, still is. That area (Salford Quays) now has BBC offices, lovely apartments, great restaurants and more! And the river Irwell still runs through to Liverpool at the River Mersey.You must visit sometime..

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    1. Hi. Thanks for haring that information about the Manchester/Liverpool canal and the Salford docks/area. I'm mostly an arm chair traveler, but your description of your area reminds me somewhat of my adopted home town Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

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  12. This week we took a trip on the Manchester Ship Canal from Birkenhead. Our Tour Guide mentioned 'the Big Ship sails down the Alley Alley O' as a reference to the Manchester Liners sailing over to Detroit and the Great Lakes. Manchester Liners were very innovative and sent the first container ships across the Atlantic but also pioneered the use of ice breaking equipment on the front of the liners. The entrance to the St. Lawrence river was blocked by ice for several months of the year, and often the Manchester Liners would be the first to break the ice after the winter (with their specially adapted gear.). The last day of September was a reference (we were told) to the last day the ships could guareante to make it through the St. Lawrence river before the ice started forming.

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    1. Anonymous, thanks for sharing that interesting information.

      Here's information about the Manchester Ship Canal for people (like me) who are unfamilar with it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Ship_Canal
      "The Manchester Ship Canal is a 36-mile-long (58 km) inland waterway in the North West of England linking Manchester to the Irish Sea."...

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  13. In Vancouver, BC, Canada, in 1959, we sang that the big ship sailed through the ally ally oh, ON THE 14TH OF DECEMBER. We did the same thread the needle action, finishing off with a loud verse, still holding hands in a circle now.

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