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Sunday, February 8, 2026

Blues Guitarist Etta Baker - "Railroad Bill" (with information about Etta Baker & Information About "Railraod Bill" outlaw/folk hero and folk songssongs)



 
Appalshop Archive, Nov 2, 2021

excerpt from a concert by Etta Baker and John Jackson at Seedtime on the Cumberland 1997. Full video here: https://www.appalshoparchive.org/Deta

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post presents some information about African American blues guitarist Ella Baker.

This post also presents information and comments about the "Railroad Bill" songs about the African American outlaw/ folk hero. This post also presents lyrics for some "Railroad Bill" songs. 

This post is a continuation of a five part pancocojams series about Railroad Bill songs that I published in 2012. 

Here are the links to the 2012 pancocojams posts about :

https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/09/riley-puckett-railroad-bill-information.html
 Part I provides general information about the man known as "Railroad Bill". That post provides a sound file and lyrics to the version of this song that was recorded in 1924 by Anglo-American vocalist/musician Riley Puckett. An addendum to this post also provides notes about other verses of that song or variants of that song that were collected in the early 20th century.

http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/09/roba-stanley-railroad-bill-information.html 
Part II provides lyrics of a 1924 version of "Railroad Bill" by Roba Stanley. Part II also provides general information about the man that was known as "Railroad Bill". Click 

http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/09/will-bennett-railroad-bill-information.html.
Part III provides lyrics of a 1929 song by Will Bennett. This is the first version of this song that was recorded by a Black person.

http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/09/frank-hutchison-railroad-bill.html 
Part IV provides a sound file & lyrics of this song by Frank Hutchinson. 

http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/09/lonnie-donegan-railroad-bill-with.html
Part V provides a sound file and lyrics of this song by Lonnie Donegan, who was a prominent British Skiffle vocalist. Information about Skiffle music is also provided in that post. 

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The content of this post is presented for folkloric, historical, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Etta Baker for her musical legacy and thanks to all those who composed "Railroad Bill" songs, performed "Railroad Bill" songs, and/or  collected and wrote about "Railroad Bill" songs. Thanks also to the publisher of this sound file on YouTube.

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INFORMATION ABOUT ETTA BAKER
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etta_Baker
"Etta Baker (March 31, 1913 – September 23, 2006) was an [African American] Piedmont blues guitarist and singer from North Carolina.

[...]

Baker was first recorded in the summer of 1956, after she and her father happened across the folksinger Paul Clayton while visiting the Cone mansion, in Blowing Rock, North Carolina, near their home in Morganton. Baker's father asked Clayton to listen to his daughter playing her signature "One Dime Blues". Clayton was impressed and arrived at the Baker house with his tape recorder the next day, recording several songs.[7] Clayton recorded five solo guitar pieces by Baker, which were released as part of the 1956 album Instrumental Music of the Southern Appalachians, one of the first commercially released recordings of African American banjo music.[1] Baker was not monetarily compensated for these early recordings. Only after working with the Music Maker label later in life was she able to get rights back for this music.

Awards and honors

Baker received the North Carolina Folk Heritage Award from the North Carolina Arts Council in 1989, a National Heritage Fellowship from the National Endowment for the Arts in 1991,[8] and the North Carolina Award in 2003. She was nominated for several Blues Music Awards (formerly the W. C. Handy Blues Awards): in the Traditional Blues Female Artist category in 1987 and 1989, and her album Railroad Bill in the Acoustic Album category in 2000.[9] Along with her sister, Cora Phillips, she received the Brown-Hudson Folklore Award from the North Carolina Folklore Society in 1982.[10]"...

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INFORMATION AND COMMENTS ABOUT "RAILROAD BILL"
These online sources are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.

ONLINE SOURCE #1
From https://balladofamerica.org/railroad-bill/ "Railroad Bill: About the Song" by Matthew Sabatella [no publishing date given; retrieved February 8, 2026
" "Railroad Bill" is a blues ballad that dates to the 19th century and has been performed and recorded by many folk artists throughout the 20th century. People have conjectured that the subject of the song is an African American outlaw named Morris Slater who robbed freight trains in the 1890s. Slater's nickname was Railroad Bill. Only a few of the song's dozens of stanzas seem to refer specifically to Slater's activities. The majority of the stanzas are quite general. Was "Railroad Bill" written about Slater? Or did Slater get his nickname from what was a preexisting song, with the verses specific to him being added later?

Historical Background

Stories about Morris Slater began to surface in newspapers in 1895. Slater robbed freight trains, primarily in Alabama and western Florida along the Louisville & Nashville Railroad line. His method was to throw merchandise off moving railroad cars and pick it up later. Slater allegedly killed at least two sheriffs as they, and a succession of detectives and railroad officers, tried to apprehend him. He was shot to death in Tidmore and Ward's General Store in Atmore, Alabama, by Constable McGowan and storekeeper Bob Johns on March 7, 1897.

While most people condemned Slater's crimes, a minority of African Americans in Alabama admired him and turned him into a folk hero. Like the legend of Jesse James, they said he gave the food he stole to poor blacks. Also like the legend of Jesse James, no one has found evidence of this. Some people even attributed supernatural powers to Slater, claiming that he could change form into an animal to escape capture or that he could only be killed by a "solid silver missile."

That Slater could be viewed as a hero and a martyr is not surprising, considering the racial and economic divide in the post-Reconstruction Deep South.

Song History

The song "Railroad Bill" seems to be related to other 19th century songs of African American origin about characters named Bill, including "Roscoe Bill," "Shootin' Bill," and "Buffalo Bill." Some lyrics are shared among these songs. This type of common "floating" stanza is a characteristic of blues ballads and other types of folk songs."...

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ONLINE SOURCE #2 [This excerpt is included in Part I of the 2012 pancocojams "Railroad Bill" series whose link is given above] 
From From http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1258
"The legend of Railroad Bill arose in the winter of 1895, along the Louisville and Nashville (L&N) Railroad line in southern Alabama. Based loosely on the exploits of an African American outlaw known as "Railroad Bill," tales of his brief but action-filled career on the wrong side of the law have been preserved in song (see lyrics), fiction, and theater. He has been variously portrayed as a "Robin Hood" character, a murderous criminal, a shape shifter, and a nameless victim of the Jim Crow South. He was never conclusively identified, but L&N detectives claimed he was a man named Morris Slater, and some residents of Brewton believed him to be a man called Bill McCoy who was shot by local law enforcement.

Stories about Railroad Bill began to surface in early 1895, when an armed vagrant began riding the L&N boxcars between Flomaton and Mobile. He earned the nickname "Railroad Bill," or sometimes just "Railroad," from the trainmen who had trouble detaining the rifle-wielding hitchhiker...

Railroad Bill was a symbol of the racial and economic divide in the post-Reconstruction Deep South. During this period of increasing legal segregation in Alabama and the rest of the South, the hunt for Railroad Bill became a theatrical white supremacist saga in local newspapers. The outlaw's legacy has been passed down through generations in many cultural representations. Railroad Bill blues ballads began circulating in the early twentieth century; one was recorded by Riley Puckett and Gid Tanner in 1924. Musicologist Alan Lomax recorded a version of Railroad Bill by Payneville native Vera Ward Hall in 1939. Blues singers have used "Railroad Bill" as a stage name, and the popularity of the ballads exploded during the folk revival of the 1950s and 60s. In 1981, the Labor Theater in New York City produced the musical play Railroad Bill by C. R. Portz”."...

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ONLINE SOURCE #3
From https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=21456
[These comments were given in response to the question "Does anyone know the song "Railroad Bill?"...Numbers for these comments are added for referencing purposes only.
The comment that is given as #2 below is from a man who indicates that he is a great-grand child of the man who was called "Railroad Bill".

Also, I wrote the last two comments that I'm quoting from this discussion thread in 2005.]


1. Subject: Railroad Bill
From: Stewie
Date: 15 May 00- 10:17 PM

"I don't know much about it except that it was a favourite in both the black and white traditions. The Traditional Ballad Index gives its earliest date (printed or recorded) as 1927. The writer of the note for the Ballad Index rejects as 'unproven' the theory that it related to a notorious badman by the name of Morris Slater (also known as Railroad Bill) who terrorised Florida and Alabama in the 1890s. However, Stephen Calt, in his notes to 'The Late Bill Williams: Blues, Rags and Ballads' Blue Goose 2013, had no hesitation in saying that it was 'a salute to a once-notorious Alabama train robber and one of the most famous pieces in black folk tradition'. Bill Williams' recording of the song is splendid - he was first discovered and recorded in 1970 in Kentucky when he was in his 70s!

In 'American Ballads and Folk Songs' the Lomaxes give a text and tune of the song from the black tradition. They assert that Railroad Bill was a completely legendary character. They point out that it is interesting that, in the song, he is captured by another black after eluding white law officers. The song has verses like:

Railroad Bill mighty bad man
Shoot dem light out o' de brakeman's han'
It's dat bad Railroad Bill

The entry in the DT refers to versions by white singers such as Cisco Houston and Ramblin' Jack Elliott. The earliest recording by a white artist was that by the great bluesman from West Virginia, Frank Hutchison. Frank recorded his version at his last recording session in 1929. It has been reissued on CD 'Old-Time Music from West Virginia' Document DOCD 8004."

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2. Subject: RE: Help: Railroad Bill
From: GUEST,C.B.
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 04:34 AM

"This may or may not be of interest to anyone who is wondering who Railroad Bill was. I have recently found out that I am a great grandchild of Railroad Bill.

Morris Slater is Railroad Bill's real name. I do not know anything about his family origin, but I do know that he came from out West before he showed up in the Alabama/Florida area. He was bi-racial having one white parent, but I do not know which parent. He claimed to have traveled with a circus for seven years and was a performer. He was friend and traveling companion to Charlie Smith, an ex-slave from Texas. There is a book written and a movie about this Charlie Smith and his life, titled "Charlie Smith and the Fritter Tree".

In this movie, Morgan Freeman portrays Railroad Bill. Morris Slater ended up living in West Florida near the Bama line. He worked in the woods as a turpentine worker. Slater met my grandmother as he roomed at her boarding house. Even though Slater was half white and light skinned, it was against the law for a "colored person" to marry a "white". Never the less, my grandfather was conceived. It is passed down to me that Morris Slater was a gentle, compassionate person with a lot of self pride. After my grandfather was born, Slater moved on in order to protect my great grandmother and her child because their relationship had been in secret.

Slater was an educated man and I have learned that when he would write letters and mail them, he always painted a black bird on the envelope. Slater always carried his riffle in his pant leg where ever he went. A new sheriff came into town one day and told Slater he would have to pay money to register his gun or give it up. Slater was very poor at the time and did not have the money to pay and he also felt that he had as much right as the "white" man to carry his gun. He simply refused, saying that he had a right and did not have to register his gun. Because of this incident, the law started badgering him. Eventually, the law went after him along with a posse and the intention of taking his gun one way or another. Slater told them to just leave him alone, but they shot at him and he shot back.

Afterwards, Slater had to go on the run after becoming a wanted man dead or alive. He was shot at many times and he returned fire in defense, killing a deputy. He then figured what the hey, he had nothing to lose. He began jumping freight cars, stealing the loot, food, money, whatever he could grab. He threw the food off to the poor people along the tracks and delivered food and money to poor people's doors during the night. He was known to the black and poor white communities as "Railroad Bill" and sometimes called "Wild Bill McCoy" or the "Black Robin Hood." He was a master at eluding the law.

All sorts of legends grew about Railroad Bill. He was said to be able to jump a river and could jump from tree to tree. Legend has it that many times an unknown bloodhound would appear out of nowhere when the law was on track of Bill. It is said that Railroad Bill turned himself into a bloodhound and ran with the pack of hounds who were chasing himself. He could disappear at the blink of an eye. Even today local folk, especially in the African American communities, believe that the spirit of Railroad Bill still roams about and when good things happen to the poor people it is Railroad Bill still looking out for the less fortunate.

I suppose after a few years of running with no hope in site, Railroad Bill became exhausted. It was about 1897 when Railroad Bill took his last walk into town one day to a local store. He purchased some cheese and crackers, ate, got up and walked out knowing what was about to happen. Several groups of men were stalking around waiting for their prey. He was shot in the back numerous times until he fell to the ground dead, gun along his side and peace at last. Sheriff McGowan of Atmore, Alabama stands tall in a photo taken of him with Railroad Bill laying dead on back of a wagon. Photo's were sold, pictures were taken along side the body for fifty cents and a person could view his remains for fifty cents. The body was on display for weeks, taken from town to town. I am sure these "Law men" and other "good citizens" were proud of their catch, not to mention a little richer to boot. I know that many legends, songs and tales were made up about Railroad Bill, most highly exaggerated. There is currently mention of a movie in progress about the legend of Railroad Bill."

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3. Subject: RE: Help: Railroad Bill
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 10:10 AM

"Now for the best and completest version of Railroad Bill I've been able to put together from Olive Woolley Burt and from Dorothy Scarborough, both of whom were in time to catch the still existing late-1920s ballad of Railroad Bill before it became a catch-all for verse scraps like those still sung till today. For my own singing I have revised the verse order somewhat, attempting to set them up chronologically, as follows.

Standin' on the corner, didn't mean no harm,

Policeman grab me by my arm,

Says I'm lookin' for Railroad Bill.

 

Talk about your bill, your ten-dollar bill,

You never seen a bill like Railroad Bill,

        He'll lay your poor body down.

 

Railroad Bill, mighty bad man,

Shot them lights out the brakeman's hand,

        They's lookin' for Railroad Bill.

 

Railroad Bill, mighty bad man,

Shot all the lights off of the stand,

        That bad Railroad Bill.

 

Railroad Bill, got no wife,

Always lookin' for somebody's life,

That bad…

 

Railroad Bill, he did not know

That Jim MacMillan had a forty-fo',

        Laid his poor body down.

 

Railroad Bill, comin' home soon,

Killed MacMillan by the light of the moon,

That…

 

Railroad Bill cut a mighty big dash,

Killed MacMillan like a lightnin' flash,

He'll lay your poor body down.

 

First on the table, next on the wall,

Old corn liquor is the cause of it all,

That bad…

 

Railroad Bill, ridin' on the train,

Tryin' to act big like Cuba and Spain,

That bad…

 

Get up, old woman, you sleepin' too late,

Railroad Bill's come knockin' on your gate,

That bad…

 

Railroad Bill, he's got sore eyes,

Won't eat nothin' but apple pies,

That bad…

 

Railroad Bill, eatin' crackers an' cheese,

Long come the sheriff, chipper as you please,

        Says, ain't you that Railroad Bill.

 

Railroad Bill, might big spo't,

Shot all the buttons off the Sheriff's coat,

        You bad Railroad Bill.

 

Sheriff he got him a special train,

When he got there, was a drivin' rain,

He's lookin'…

 

Ten policemen, all dressed in blue,

Comin' down the avenue, two by two,

They's lookin'…

 

Everybody told him, you better go back,

Bill is a-comin' down the railroad track,

That bad…

 

Ol' Culpepper went up on Number Five,

Goin' bring him back, dead or alive,

That bad…

 

Railroad Bill lyin' on the grocery floor,

Got shot two times, they shot him two times more,

        They shot down old Railroad Bill.

 

Railroad Bill said before he died,

Fit all the trains so the rounders can ride,

        Didn't it rain, rain, rain, rain, rain."

 

NOTES: For my own singing I've tended to vary the chorus as above, but the original versions stick rigidly to the refrain of "Lookin' for Railroad Bill."

This makes me wonder if the song was first composed during, or immediately after, the manhunt...that would date it to c. 1897-98.

Note borrowings from "Crawdad Song" and from "Natural-Born Eas'man" / "Jay Gould's Daughter" / "Casey Jones."

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Subject: RE: Help: Railroad Bill
From: Azizi
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 12:33 PM

"Thomas W. Talley's 1922 collection "Negro Folk Rhymes" has a rhyme he calls "Wild Negro Bill" {p. 94 of Kennikat Press edition.

The verses Talley presents contain the N word {represented in my post as "N---"}

I'se wild N----- Bill

From Redpepper Hill.

I never did wo'k an' I never will

 

I's done killed de Boss.

I'se knocked down de hoss.

I'se eats up raw goose widout apple sauce!

 

I'se Run-a-way Bill,

I knows dwy mought kill;

But old Mosser hain't cotch me,

an' he never will!

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Talley wrote that many of his songs were generations old..Since sneaking into railroad cars was often used by runaways, could

'Wild N--- Bill' be the source of "Railroad Bill?

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5. 
Subject: RE: Help: Railroad Bill
From: Azizi
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 01:17 PM

"In her 1925 collection 'On The Trail Of Negro Folk Songs" Dorothy Scarborough writes:

 "There are various Negro versions of Railroad Bill, the best that I have found being given by Professor Odum in Journal of American Folklore. {Folklore Associates edition; page 251-252}

I's Looking Fer Railroad Bill

Railroad Bill mighty bad man,

Shoot dem lights out o' de brakeman's hand-

It's lookin' fer Railroad Bill.

 

Railroad Bill mighty bad man,

Shoot the lamps all off the stan'-

An it's lookin' fer Railroad Bill.

 

First on table, next on wall,

Ole corn whiskey cause of it all-

It's looking fer Railroad Bill.

 

Ole McMillan had a special train,

When he got there wus a shower a rain-

Wus lookin' fer Railroad Bill.

 

Ev'body tole him he better turn back,

Railroad Bill wus goin' down the track-

An it's lookin' fer Railroad Bill.

 

Well, the pilicemen all dressed in blue,

Comin down sidewalk two by two,

Wus lookin' fer Railroad Bill.

 

Railroad Bill he had no wife,

Always lookin fer somebody's life-

An it's lookin' fer Railroad Bill.

 

Railroad Bill was the worst ole coon

Killed McMillan by the light o' the moon-

It's lookin' fer Railroad Bill.

 

Ole Culpepper went up on Number Five,

Goin' bring him back, dead or alive,

Wus lookin' fer Railroad Bill.

 

Standin' on the corner, did n't mean no harm,

Policeman grab me the arm-

Wus lookin' fer Railroad Bill."

 

end of quote

Scaborough {Odum} writes 'It's lookin' fer Railroad Bill.' but I wonder if this was a mis-hearing of "I'se lookin fer Railroad Bill"..

Scaborough also includes this verse:


Railroad Bill got so fine

He shot a hole in a silver dime

Railroad Bill, Railroad Bill

Railroad Bll got sore eyes,

An' won't eat nothin' apple pies.

 

(p. 253 Folklore Associates edition, 1963} 

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Needless to say, to African Americans of that time 'Railroad Bill' was an anti-hero, a man with attitude who didn't take no stuff, who challenged the system and won {at least for a while}.

 

"Coon" was used as an informal referent for African Americans by both Black Americans and others. Though it is now, then it was not necessarily a negative term. The only positive use of 'coon' that I have ever heard among African Americans {though it's very rarely used now} is the internal rhyme "ace boon coon" as in "You're my ace boon coon".

 Though I don't view Wild N--- Bill/Railroad Bill as a role model for contemporary African Americans, I think it's a shame that so few of us know this folklore...

Ms. Azizi"

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Friday, February 6, 2026

Trump Just Crossed A Major Line With A Racist Video Of The Obamas Depicted As Apes


 
Occupy Democrats, February 6, 2026

beyond words...
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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post showcases a February 6, 2026 Anthony Vincent Gallo, Occupy Democrat podcast about a post on Trump's Truth Social platform that included a depiction of former President Barak Obama and former First Lady Michelle Obama as apes or monkeys. 

This post also presents the complete transcript to that Occupy Democrat podcast.

The content of this post is for historical, socio-cultural, and political purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Anthony Vincent Gallo and all those associated with Occupy Democrats for their podcast.
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 Click https://www.cnn.com/2026/02/06/politics/donald-trump-obamas-apes-truth-social for the February 6, 2026 article entitled "Trump shares racist video depicting Obamas as apes on Truth Social, then removes it amid bipartisan outrage" by Adam Cancryn, Alayna Treene, Alejandra Jaramillo, and Betsy Klein

Also, click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/01/the-history-and-current-customs-of.html for the January 30, 2026 post entitled "The History And Current Customs Of Associating Apes And Monkeys With Black People".

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COMPLETE AUTO-GENERATED TRANSCRIPT OF THE OCCUPY DEMOCRAT PODCAST GIVEN IN THIS POST
(This transcript is given without time stamps and without any punctuation additions.)

Length - ,02-4:45

Trump took to rage posting again last night, but this time he threw down the gauntlet
and boldly announced to the world that he is an unashamed 1930s style racist, reposting
an animated video that portrays the Obamas as, wait for it, monkeys in the jungle.

I'm going to show the video that Demented Donnie reposted while we all wait for Mike
Johnson to say, "I haven't seen it yet."

So, hit that subscribe button so we can continue to bring you the kind of ethical media content
and analysis that corporate media is too busy trying to normalize Trump to get around to.

Now, there's a reason Trump was going off the rails and rage posting last night. He had a very
difficult morning, especially because he got absolutely humiliated by Democrat Jonathan Jackson
at the prayer breakfast, whose prayer basically insulted Trump at every turn. Trump's reaction was
priceless. Am I getting insulted here? And then it got worse because I guarantee you Trump not only
saw the animated video of the Obamas, but he saw this video of the crowd at a wrestling event in Las Vegas chanting the f bomb anti-ICE slogan so loudly that they actually delayed the start of the play. I
mean the match.

Remember Trump announcing that he was going to hold a big AEW wrestling match in the lawn of the White House? He's certainly rethinking that plan. This very large and very dedicated portion of his base has absolutely turned on him. And you got to love the expression on MJF's face. He can't believe what's going on here.

And it's not the only Trump demographic that has turned on him. Yesterday, students from Brigham Young University took to the streets to protest ICE being included in their job fair. BYU.

And they're not just protesting ICE. They are protesting Trump and trying to take back Christianity. They know a charlatan when they see it. Signs like these of Jesus being dragged away by ICE. And is there no more room at the inn are testimony that there is a growing opposition to the cristofascism
that swept Trump into office.

So with his back up against the wall, Trump decided to signal his most dependable demographic that
he was still with them, the overt racists. He reposted this animated video of the Obamas as monkeys
in the jungle.

Now, I'm going to alter this video for a reason. For too long, corporate media has been recirculating
images and discourses with no regard to the fact that recirculation helps promote the subject. no matter how much they condemn it. And this video needs to be condemned. So, you know, going in the monkeys you are going to see dancing in the jungle are Michelle on your left and Barack on your right.

Watch.

Now, Trump defenders are going to come out saying that the video portrays a lot of different Democrats as animals. and then Trump as this mighty lion. But that excuse is nonsense. The video starts with the Obamas as monkeys, an old racist, demeaning stereotype. Everything that follows is just an excuse to make that stereotype. The Obamas are Democrats, so their faces could have been put on donkeys, but because they're black, they were made to be monkeys in the jungle.

And the story that does play out is just as sick of all these Democrats being subservient to Trump as king. It's just another in a long line of fantasy images of an idealized and powerful Trump. This orange blob can barely climb the stairs to Air Force One. Has to bronze his face, cover the bruises on his hands, and hide his swollen ankles. He's practically on life support. But all Trump has left to offer is dwindling base is fantasy. And so he went with all reliable overt racism. Let the chorus of Republican excuse making begin.

I'm Anthony Vincent Gallo for Occupy Democrats. And if you like this video, please hit the like button and subscribe to our channel. You'll not only help out our channel, you'll be taking concrete action and helping get rid of Trump and the MAGA movement who ushered him in."

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What African Americans Usually Mean By the Saying "Standing On Business" (With Information About The Meaning Of "Ten Toes Down")

Edited by Azizi Powell, Pancocojams Editor

This pancocojams post presents information about the saying "Standing on business".

The content of this post is presented for linguistic and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
As is the case with most vernacular words and phrases, the phrase "standing on business" has multiple vernacular meanings.

This pancocojams post focuses on the definitions of "standing on business" that I believe are most often meant in 2026 when African Americans use that phrase. That definition refers to Black people in the United States standing in unity and steadfastly adhering to agreed upon values and positions against those who would socially and politically impede our existence and/or progress.  

Expanding from Black Americans, the phrase "standing on business" means Americans' (regardless of race, ethnicity, and most politic affiliations) unwavering demand for values and positions that we consider important- such as abolishing I.C.E. and equal justice for all.

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TWO ONLINE EXCERPTS ABOUT THE SAYING "STANDING ON BUSINESS"
These excerpts are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.

From https://www.yahoo.com/news/standing-business-internets-latest-slang-213502429.html " 
'Standing on business': What the internet's latest slang term means and how to use it. by Mary Walrath-Holdridge, USA TODAY,  December 4, 2023 

"What does 'stand on business' or 'standing on business' mean?

Put simply, to "stand on business" means to take care of your responsibilities or put your money where your mouth is. You get done what needs to be done and follow through, similar to the term "taking care of business."

According to Urban Dictionary, the phrase is defined as: "To take care of your business/obligations. To be about your grind," (meaning completing tasks that need completing) or, "When faced with a situation, you are urged to handle your own affairs."

If you are "standing on business," it means you are sticking to your values and walking the walk, not just talking the talk.

For example, someone who posts to their social media page saying they are going to become their own boss and later goes on to successfully open their own small business or become an entrepreneur would be "standing on business." Someone who is standing strong in ending a relationship that was bad for them can also be "standing on business."

Someone who brags online about making a lot of money and living a luxury lifestyle but lacks a job or actual funds in real life would be someone who is not standing on their business.

Where did the slang term 'stand on business' come from?

While the phrase itself is not exactly new and has been present on the internet and part of African American Vernacular English (AAVE) for a long time, the recent explosion in popularity has been attributed partially to the use of the phrase in a Drake song.

The song "Daylight," from Drake's newest [2023] album "For All The Dogs," features the saying repeatedly in its lyrics. Internet comedian Druski likewise has been credited with the spread of the slang, starting when he posted a TikTok in September [2023] titled: “Dudes Say ‘Standin on Business’ BUT DO THE OPPOSITE."

In the skit, he pokes fun at men who talk a big game about their work ethic, life and accomplishments online but fail to follow through in real life."….

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EXCERPT #2 - urbandictionary.com

Pancocojams Editor's Note:
As of February 6, 2026).urbandictionary.com has three pages of reader submitted definitions of the saying "standing on business" .The three definition that are given in this post are numbered for referencing purposes only.

WARNING- Many of those definitions include the n word, either fully spelled out or in its four letter form  and/or the word "ho" (meaning "whore"). 

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The earliest example of "stand on business" (or "standing on business") in urban dictionary.com is from 2021. It is the top definition for that saying as of February 6, 2026:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stand+on+business

"stand on business

To take care of your business/obligations. To be about your grind.

Rent was due and my son was hungry so I had no choice but to Stand on Business

by Sterlsam02 December 2, 2021; 

thumbs up 569;  thumbs down 73"
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Pancocojams Editor's Note:
This is the only definition from 2021. All the other urban dictionary.com definitions for "stand on business" or "standing on business" (as of February 6, 2026) are from 2023, 2024 and 2024.

This particular "thumbs up/thumbs down" tally is significant  because all of the other viewer submitted definitions in the three urban dictionary pages of definitions for this phrase have less than 6 "thumbs up" tallies  and less than 0 thumbs down. (One other definition has 10 thumbs up and 0 thumbs down)  

Several of the urban dictionary definitions for "standing on business" include the phrase "stand your ground". 

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THE INCLUSION OF THE IDIOM "STANDING YOUR GROUND" IN DEFINITIONS FOR "STANDING ON BUSINESS"
Several urban dictionary.com definitions include the phrase "standing your ground" in their definitions of "standing on business".

Indeed, I believe that the idiom "standing your ground" is the source of the 2020s African American Vernacular English saying "standing on business".

Here are two definitions for the English language idiom "stand your ground"
From https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/stand-ground
"to refuse to be pushed backward, or to continue in your beliefs in an argument:

The battalion stood its ground in the face of repeated attacks.

Clare stood her ground in the meeting and refused to be intimidated even when Michael got angry.

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3. "stand your ground

idiom

to refuse to change your opinion or give in to an argument:

I kept trying to get my grandmother to find a smaller house, but she stood her ground."

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Here are two urbandictionary.com definitions for "standing on business" that include the phrase "standing your ground".: 

"standing on business

someone who stand their ground, or does what they said they’d do.

she was standing on business.

by burntseals December 3, 2023,  https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stand%20on%20business&page=2

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"To stand your ground, not let your guard down, not give in to pressure, not get distracted. Many women use it to refer to keeping your standards up and honoring their boundaries, often when feeling hormonal, lovesick, or temporarily attracted to someone.

“How tf am I supposed to stand on business with this man while I’m ovulating???”

“Girl, he apologized and wants a second chance! But I saw him making out with Susie last night, so I’m definitely standing on business.”

“Stand on business! Don’t be desperate!”

by NikkiNinetyEight November 27, 2023, https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stand%20on%20business&page=2
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"NOT BACKING DOWN" IS AN ELEMENT IN THE AFRICAN AMERICAN CONTEMPORARY VERNACULAR USE OF "STANDING ON BUSINESS" 
The contemporary use of the phrase standing on business" usually includes the meaning that the person won't back down (from a situation, a person, or a stance (an ideological position). 

Here's an AI Overview on the phrase "not backing down" (retrieved February 6, 2026 as a result of my February 6, 2026 Google search question about that meaning"

" "Not backing down" means refusing to give up, retreat, or surrender in the face of opposition, difficulty, or a challenge; it's about standing firm, holding your ground, and remaining persistent in your stance, belief, or fight, even when pressured. It signifies resilience and an unwillingness to yield, similar to "sticking to your guns" or "never surrendering," as highlighted in the phrase "Never Back Down" and Tom Petty's song "I Won't Back Down".

Key aspects of "not backing down":

Resilience: Continuing despite obstacles or threats.

Firmness: Maintaining your position or principles.

Persistence: Refusing to quit or change your mind.

Opposition: Often used when challenged by others."...

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THE IDIOM 'TEN TOES DOWN" USED TO EMPHASIZE THE "STANDING ON BUSINESS" STANCE AND ATTITUDE 
At least by 2025, a number of African Americans use the phrase "standing on business" along with the idiom "ten toes down" to emphasize the vernacular meaning of both of those phrases.

Here's an AI Overview write-up about the idiom "ten toes down" as it has been used by African Americans:

AI Overview February 6, 2026 [as a result of my question "What does the slang phrase ten toes down" mean?]

"Ten toes down" is a slang phrase meaning to be fully committed, loyal, and unwavering in support of a person, belief, or goal. It signifies standing firm, remaining grounded, and, often, being "real" or authentic in the face of adversity. The phrase is rooted in African American Vernacular English (AAVE) and hip-hop culture.

Key Aspects of "Ten Toes Down":

Total Commitment: Devoting 100% effort or support to a cause or relationship.

Loyalty & Reliability: Being a dependable person who stands by others, often, in a loyal, steadfast manner.

Resilience & Integrity: Standing firm in one's own beliefs, staying true to oneself, and not backing down, similar to "standing on business".

Origin: Popularized within the hip-hop community, with notable usage in the work of rapper Kodak Black around 2014.

The phrase is essentially a metaphor for keeping both feet firmly on the ground (all ten toes down) rather than running away or wavering."
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I've noticed the phrases "standing on business" and "[having] ten toes down" being used in a number of 92%  socio-political discussion threads on TabithaSpeaksPolitic's YouTube channel and therealtabithaspeaks Instagram page. "92%" is a referent for African American women who voted for Kamala Harris in the November 5, 2024 United States national election. 

Here's an example of the idiom "ten toes down" from therealtabithaspeaks' Instagram page:

"That's all I wanted to see..

Instagram · therealtabithaspeaks

[12 months ago]

We continue to be honorable and we continue to stand ten toes down for what we believe in, together. I love us for real! They are not like ...Read more"
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I don't have instagram and therefore can't credit the date or quote this entire statement. However, the last sentence is probably "They are not like us". This phrase was popularized by Kendrick Lamarr's 20 song with that title and is now widely used-particularly by "Foundational Black Americans" [or when used by the more inclusive referent "Black Americans".

When Foundational Black Americans say "They are not like us", the word they" can mean "Black people who have no ancestors who were enslaved in the United States [the definition of Foundational Black Americans] or "they could mean "White people" and/or any other people who aren't Foundational Black Americans [the meaning of "us" when they say "They are not like us".

When Black Americans who don't identify as "Foundational Black Americans" say "They are not like us" they usually mean "White people".

Full disclosure- I identify as "Black American" (and/or "African American"). 

Also, full disclosure- I don't like the saying "They are not like us" because I believe it is too divisive, in a multiplicity of ways.    

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Thursday, February 5, 2026

Are "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" Rhymes Still Being Chanted In The United States & Elsewhere?

by Azizi Powell, Pancocojams Editor

Latest upsdat- February 7, 2026

Since 2006 I've collected a lot of online examples of "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" (with that title or with similar titles) and I've showcased many of those examples in various pancocojams posts.

In addition, a number of readers of those pancocojams posts have shared their examples of the "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" rhymes in the comment sections of those posts. The links to two of those pancocojams posts are given in Addendum #1 of this post and Addendum #2 present my question  about another possible contemporary use of "Down by The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" rhymes.

Most if not all of the examples of "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" that I've come across are from the early 2000s to around 2015. 

For the folkloric record, I'm interested in answering the questions "Were "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" rhymes chanted in the United States & elsewhere after 2015? And are "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" still being chanted in the United States and elsewhere now ?

Please share examples of and information about "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" that were chanted since 2015 in this pancocojams post's comment section.

I'm interested in documenting the words to those rhymes and I'm also interested in documenting demographic information about those rhymes.

By "demographic information" I mean
when (year or decade that you chanted an example of this rhyme)

-where (city/state -or nation if outside of the USA- where this rhyme was chanted)

and

-who (race/ethnicity, ages, and gender/s of people chanting this rhyme),

I'm also interested in documenting how these rhymes were performed (for instance, if that rhyme is/was chanted while doing a partner hand clap routine or a group elimination hand slap routine.

Please add to the folkloric record by sharing the example of "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" that you chanted after 2015 in the comment section of this pancocojams post.

Please remember to include your demographic information with the words for that rhyme.

Thanks!

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ADDENDUM #1- TWO LINKS TO PANCOCOJAMS POSTS ABOUT "DOWN BY THE BANKS OF THE HANKY PANKY" RHYMES 
Part I of Some Examples Of "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" Rhymes With Geographic Locations:Mudcat (A - J) 
https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/03/part-i-of-some-examples-of-down-by_22.html

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Part II of Some "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" Rhymes" With Geographic Locations (K - Z)
https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/03/part-ii-of-some-down-by-banks-of-hanky.html

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ADDENDUM #2 [added Feb 6, 2025]
I just looked up pancocojams posts for the children's recreational rhymes "Brick wall Waterfall" and "Bang Bang Choo Choo Train". These rhymes were very widely chanted in the USA in the early to mid 2000s and were often combined together.

This May 2025 pancocojams post 
"Bang Bang Choo Choo Train" / "Brick Wall Waterfall (Documenting Dates For Some Examples Of These Rhymes: from 2011 to 2023)  https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2025/05/bang-bang-choo-choo-train-documenting.html features some examples of those rhymes in 2023 that were used as girls softball cheers. 

Are words from "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" rhymes being included in girls softball cheers?

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ADDENDUM #3[Added February 7, 2026]
Full disclosure- I published this pancocojams post assuming that it would probably have very few if any responses.

I thought that because not that many people publish comments on this pancocojams blog and very few -if any- of the people who comment in this blog's discussion threads are teens and children.

In contrast, most of the examples of children's recreational rhymes, singing games, and cheers that were featured on my cultural website cocojams (which was online from 2001 to 2014) were from children and pre-teens. That was partly because cocojams had an easy to use content submission page that didn't require an email and somehow that population learned about that website and got into the habit of using it. Neither of these conditions are the case with this pancocojams blog. Besides that, I believe that it's very likely that fewer children and pre-teens in the United States perform recreational rhymes now (in 2026) than those populations did when my cocojams website was online between 2001 and 2014.  

That said, a few pancocojams posts on children's recreational rhymes have a number of reader's comments that include rhyme examples. One example is "I Believe I Can Fly" https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/10/childrens-parodies-of-i-believe-i-can_2.html. That post was published in October 2013 and has 78 reader responses (including my "thank you" responses) as of February 7, 2026.  

It'll be interesting to see if any readers share any examples of "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" that was chanted after 2015, and also if those examples come from parents or the chanters themselves, but if no examples are shared in the discussion thread for this post, that doesn't necessarily mean that no one is still chanting that rhyme.      

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