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Monday, June 1, 2026

How The Djembe Became The Traditional African Drum To Beat In The United States

 

SENEGAL DAY DJEMBE SHOW

GARY SMITH, Jan 5, 2011

Traditional Djembe Drumming in Dakar, Senegal. A musical feast for all fans of West Africa's unique drum stylings. Join Mbaw as he and his talented group transfix you with their live-on-location rhythmic skills.

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post presents information and comments about the djembe *, a traditional type of West African drum.

This post also presents some YouTube videos of the djembe (plural "djembes").

The content of this post is presented for historical, cultural, educational, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to all those who are featured in these showcase videos. Thanks also to all the producers and publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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* The pronunciation for the word djembe that I have heard in the United States since the early 1970s and which I still use is GYM-bay.
 
Some of the content of this post was part of a no longer available 2011 pancocojams post with this title. That 2011 post had no visitor comments and most of its showcase videos were no longer available as of June 1, 2026.     

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PREFACE- PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S COMMENT
If there was a competition among African drums as to which would become THE drum to beat, djembes have won that competition hands down. There are other many other African drums.

 There are Batá, Dun Dun (talking drum), Ashiko, & Sakara drums from Nigeria; Fontomfrom, Atumpan, & Apetia, and Kpanlogo drums from Ghana, Sabar drums from Senegal, Ngoma drums from Uganda, Doumbek drums from North Africa, and Dunun drums from the same Malinke/Bambara peoples of Guinea & Mali from which the djembe comes.

So why is it that by the 1990s djembe drum had thrown the once popular conga drums & bongo drums to the curb and left other African drums in the dust to become ubiquitous in drum circles around the globe not only among Black people but also among non-Black people?

Here's some information about djembes and how I think the djembe won the competition to be the most widely played traditional African drum in the United States, and I believe throughout the rest of the world outside of Africa. 

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AN OVERVIEW OF DJEMBE 
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djembe
"A djembe or jembe (/ˈdʒɛmbeɪ/ JEM-bay; from Malinke jembe [dʲẽbe] ... is a rope-tuned, skin-covered goblet drum played with bare hands from the Sabar family, originally from Senegal that is widely used in West Africa. According to the Bambara people in Mali, the name "djembe" comes from the saying "Anke djé, anke bé," which translates to "everyone gather together in peace" and defines the drum's purpose. In the Bambara language, "djé" is the verb for "gather" and "bé" translates as "peace."[3]

 The djembe has a body (or shell) carved of hardwood and a drumhead made of untreated (not limed) rawhide, most commonly made from goatskin. Excluding rings, djembes have an exterior diameter of 30–38 cm (12–15 in) and a height of 58–63 cm (23–25 in). The majority have a diameter in the 13 to 14 inch range. The weight of a djembe ranges from 5 kg to 13 kg (11–29 lbs.) and depends on size and shell material. A medium-size djembe carved from one of the traditional woods (including skin, rings, and rope) weighs around 9 kg (20 lbs.).

The djembe can produce a wide variety of sounds, making it an extremely versatile drum. The drum is very loud, allowing it to be heard clearly as a solo instrument over a large percussion ensemble. The Mandinka people say that a skilled drummer is one who "can make the djembe talk", meaning that the player can tell an emotional story (the Malinké never used the djembe as a signaling drum).

Traditionally, the djembe is played only by men, as are the dunun that always accompany the djembe. Conversely, other percussion instruments that are commonly played as part of an ensemble, such as the shekere (a hollowed-out gourd covered with a net of beads), karignan (a tubular bell), and kese kese (a woven basket rattle), are usually played by women. Even today, it is rare to see women play djembe or dunun in West Africa, and African women express astonishment when they do see a female djembe player.[4]

Origin

There is general agreement that the origin of the djembe is associated with the Mandinka caste of blacksmiths, known as Numu. The wide dispersion of the djembe drum throughout West Africa may be due to Numu migrations during the first millennium CE.[5] Despite the association of the djembe with the Numu, there are no hereditary restrictions on who may become a djembefola (literally, "one who plays the djembe"). This is in contrast to instruments whose use is reserved for members of the griot caste, such as the balafon, kora, and ngoni.[6] (The djembe is not a griot instrument.)[7] Anyone who plays djembe is a djembefola—the term does not imply a particular level of skill.

Geographically, the traditional distribution of the djembe is associated with the Mali Empire,[8] which dates back to 1230 CE and included parts of the modern-day countries of Guinea, Mali, Burkina Faso, Ivory Coast, Gambia, and Senegal. However, due to the lack of written records in West African countries, it is unclear whether the djembe predates or postdates the Mali Empire. It seems likely that the history of the djembe reaches back for at least several centuries and possibly more than a millennium.[6]

The goblet shape of the djembe suggests that it originally may have been created from a mortar. (Mortars are widely used throughout West Africa for food preparation.)[9]

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Recent history

Prior to the 1950s and the decolonization of West Africa, due to the very limited travel of native Africans outside their own ethnic group, the djembe was known only in its original area.

The djembe first came to the attention of audiences outside West Africa with the efforts of Fodéba Keïta, who, in 1952, founded Les Ballets Africains. The ballet toured extensively in Europe and was declared Guinea's first national ballet by Guinea's first president, Sékou Touré, after Guinea gained independence in 1958, to be followed by two more national ballets, the Ballet d'Armee in 1961 and Ballet Djoliba in 1964."...

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THE HISTORY OF DJEMBE DRUMMING IN THE USA
From http://dragonheadmusic.com/the-history-of-djembe-drumming-in-america-part-2/ April 26th, 2010 | Author Lady Drummer

"It is said that the Djembe was introduced in New York by Guinean Master Drummer Ladji Camara, . We did not meet Papa Camara however, we were told by numerous drumming elders that Papa Camara carried the traditions of Guinea West Africa and began a Sankofa ( a return to recover what was left) of African music and dance in the black artistic communities in Manhattan and Brooklyn. Papa Camara was a deliberate drummer and teacher and developed a strong contingent of drummers along the Eastern Seaboard. It was our loss that he passed away a few years ago without having met him. However, his students credit him with initiating the spread of the knowledge of the Djembe from the East to the Western Coast as many of these First Wave drummers migrated from the New York area.

Many Americans were introduced to the djembe by Mor Thiam, (pronounced Cham)a Senegalese born Master Drummer of Dogon descent, during his performing and teaching career with the noted historian, cultural anthropologist and choreographer, Katherine Dunham. Katherine Dunham was famous for her introducing Haitian and other Caribbean dance and drumming cultures to American and European audiences in the 1950’s.

In 1965 President Johnson nominated Dunham to be the cultural Ambassador to Senegal, West Africa, to help train the Senegalese National Ballet, and assist then President Leopold Senghor in sponsoring the First Pan-African World Festival of Negro Arts in Dakar from 1965-66.(1) Ms Dunham met Thiam during her journeys to Senegal. She convinced Thiam to move to America and to bring with him his extensive knowledge of Wolof and Bambara culture. Mor Thiam, whose surname means historian in the Bambara language, worked with Katherine Dunham between the years of 1968 and 1974. Professionals and students under Dunham’s tutelage were able to assimilate Thiam’s knowledge of West African drum and dance with their already extensive knowledge of African based Haitian and Caribbean music and dance. By traveling and performing with the Dunham Company Thiam was able to spread the knowledge of the djembe in numerous institutions throughout America. In this manner Thiam is credited with beginning the true djembe movement.

We call the Mor Thiam era the Second Wave of Djembe drumming in America."...

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CULTURAL REASONS FOR THE POPULARITY OF DJEMBE DRUMMING
[written by Azizi Powell in 2011]

1. Individual attention and status

The Ballet style (non-traditional staged productions) of Djembes conforms to Western cultures values of placing the individual over the group.

In ballet style ensembles, the emphasis is placed on a star (lead) djembe player (djembafola) or on several lead djembefolas. The showmanship of djembefola/s and vying for the position of the lead djembefola (and thus being the star of the show) appeal to the individualistic, competitive nature of Western cultures. This is in contrast to the traditional context of djembe playing where the attention during performances is equally on all the drummers (including the dunun players) as well as the other instrumentalists (such as the kora player, and the balafon player). Furthermore, (as I understand it), traditionally, the drummers and other instrumentalist serve as musical accompaniment, and perhaps most of the attention is on the dancers and the singers. However, the role of dancers and especially the role of singers are de-emphasized in most ballet style djembe performances.

Click http://www.african-music-safari.com/djembe-history.html to find more about the differences between the traditional village context for playing djembes and the ballet style (staged production) context.

The djembe confers status on those who play it, and status is particularly conferred on lead djembe drummer/s.

Although I've lost its attribution, I recall reading one comment on a YouTube thread that referred to djembe players as "macho men". That commenter didn't mean that as a compliment, but in Western societies a lot of men strive to be "macho". Note that prior to 1988, females were traditionally prohibited from playing djembes in Guinea & Mali, the nations that are considered to be the birthplace of this drum. Because there were far less stringent cultural prohibitions against female drummers in Europe and the United States (particularly among White people) it's likely that White females were playing djembes and other African drums before Black females in Africa and elsewhere.

Click
http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2011/11/african-female-djembe-drummers.html for more information about African female djembe drummers).

2. The copycat effect
As an outsider (meaning a non-drummer, and non-African dancer), it's my sense that a number of people purchase & play djembes for recreational drumming because "everyone" else is. According to various blogs on that subject, djembes dominate drum circles to such an extent that usually they are the only drums present. Significantly, it appears from my reading comments on those blogs that djembes are usually not even accompanied in those drum circles by the three dunun drums (dununba, sangba, and kinkini) as is traditional in Guinea & Mali. Here's a comment from one such blog http://www.remo.com/forum/post/view?bid=4&id=207555&sty=1&tpg=2&age=0 Hereafter known as "remo:drum circle":
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posted by plaxy on Apr 28, 2009 12:41
"It seems most people jump straight to the djembe simply because that's all they see and want to fit into the scene.

What I hate, though, is that it is so hard to find people who are actually interested in doing something different with a drum circle. They think that doing the same thing as every other drum circle is different and alternative enough. These people try to make a fashion statement rather than trying to make some good music and rhythms."

3. [Re] Claiming cultural ties to Africa; Romantizing African cultures
Among African Americans and other people of African descent who don't live in Africa, playing the djembe or other African musical instruments is a way to reconnect with our African roots. The popular adinkra symbol "sankofa" epitomizes this. One of the pictorial symbols for sankofa is a bird whose body is facing forward with its neck facing backwards. The proverb associated with sankofa is "It's never too late to reclaim that which you've left behind".

It also appears that a number of people start playing djembes not only because that African instrument is symbolical of African cultures, but also because those cultures are thought to be more "real" and more spiritual than Western cultures. My sense is that many people who play djembes for the latter reason are non-Black.

Another drummer from the above mentioned remo:drum circle thread identifies a number of reasons why some people play djembes:
Posted on Apr 16, 2009 
"I believe drum circles can and should have interesting sounds, even when all djembe, but it seems participants are by far, novice, at best and have no real musical sense. Most of them just participate because they are on some spiritual journey, so they think, or they want to belong or they want someone that knows them to think there is more to them than meets the eye etc... in other words, a majority of people showing up in drum circles seem to be simply "making the scene". I find it disappointing as most of you have stated."
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Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2011/11/history-of-djembe-drumming-in-usa.html for another post from a three part pancocojams series on djembe drums.

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ADDITIONAL SHOWCASE VIDEOS
These videos are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.

SHOWCASE VIDEO #2 - 
Zoumana Dembele Bagolon Kan Solo Officiel 2013


Aakusti Oksanen, Dec 13, 2013

Master Djembefola Zoumana Dembele is a hereditary griot and musician from Burkina Faso. Zoumana works in collaboration with Djembepaja in Finland since 2006. We organize our Annual Drum and Dance Camp in Burkina's cultural capital Bobo-Dioulasso around New Year. "...

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SHOWCASE VIDEO #3 - Jalikunda African Drums take the Montserrat African Music Festival by storm




Jalikunda African Drums, Feb 27, 2014

The raw power and energy of Jalikunda's djembe drumming riveted the attention and delighted the crowd that attended the 1st African Music Festival on the tiny Island of Montserrat in the Caribbean in 2013.  The festival, held in Salem Cricket ground, was repeated the next year and on popular request, Jalikunda returned and wowed the crowds in Montserrat again.

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SHOWCASE VIDEO #4 - 
African Drummers playing Djembe drums in Paris Subway - How to play drums


WOW MUSIC, Jul 26, 2013

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SHOWCASE VIDEO #5 - 
CENTRAL PARK DRUMMERS


The Roger's Take Podcast - Sep 17, 2023 

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SHOWCASE VIDEO #6 -  Master Drummers Jam After Class at Camp Fareta 2017!


campfareta, Jul 26, 2018

With Youssouf Koumbassa, Bolokada Conde, Mamady Wadaba Kourouma,  Babara Bangoura, and Abou Mohamed Camara

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SHOWCASE VIDEO #7 - Salydanse & Babara Bangoura Juillet 2018 Espagne Mané (Kawadeni)



Afrikanté / Salydanse, Jul 19, 2018

Petit Extrait du Stage de danse lors du festival Kawadeni Camp 2018.

Rythme Mané de la Guinée

Saly Diedhiou et Babara Bangoura organisé par Kawadeni Bibiche/Lurgi

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SHOWCASE VIDEO #8 - How to play African Drum (Djembe Tutorial One)

Rhythm In Africa, Jul 18, 2019

In this video you will learn about the basics of Djembe playing... Enjoy!

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Friday, May 29, 2026

Documenting Dates For Versions Of Certain United States Children's Hand Clap Rhymes (From Comments That Include A Year Or Decade)

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest update- May 30, 2026

This pancocojams post documents dates for some examples of United States children's hand clap rhymes, or jump rope rhymes.

This compilation doesn't include examples of children's "choosing it" rhymes, "taunting rhymes", "singing games", "cheerleader cheers", including "foot stomping cheers", or "softball cheers".  

These performance  dates are given in the contributors' comments or are found in the collector's/edito'rs notes about a particular American English language hand clap rhyme/or other type of American English recreational rhymes. 

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, historical, and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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This post is a revised copy of a now deleted 2021 pancocojams post on this subject. That 2021 version of this post had no visitor comments. 

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/03/a-compilation-of-united-states.html  for another 2021 pancocojams post entitled "
An Alphabetized Compilation Of A Few United States Children's Playground Rhymes That Were Given With Date & Place Demographical Information".

Also, click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/03/foot-stomping-cheers-demographics-city.html for a pancocojams post entitled "Foot Stomping Cheers Demographics: City & State Locations (1970s through 2010)".

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTES
Although most of the content of this pancocojams post focuses on African American culture and other Black cultures throughout the world, this post is part of pancocojams's content that focuses on children's rhymes and cheers that were performed or still are performed by children (mostly girls) regardless of their race/ethnicity.

That said, this post and other pancocojams posts about children's rhymes and cheers focus on versions of recreational rhymes, cheers, and singing games that are performed by African American girls, and the ways that those rhymes and cheers may have been (or may be) performed by some African American girls that may be different from the ways they were performed by some girls of other races/ethnicities. 

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HOW THESE ENTRIES ARE PRESENTED IN THIS PANCOCOJAMS COMPILATION
The comments in this compilation may include words to the complete version of a particular rhyme, or partial words of a version of a particular rhyme, or the contributor's demographic comment with the title of that rhyme and no words to that rhyme.

These comments may also include the name of the city/state or nation where the contributors lived when they first heard or chanted these rhymes or cheers. Other demographic information and information about these examples' performance activities may also be included in these featured comments.  

The examples in this 2026 post are given in numerological order (for examples whose titles begin with numbers) or alphabetical order based on the first letter of the first title that is usually given (in the 2020s USA) for those examples. Multiple versions of the same rhyme are given in no particular order, but are numbered for referencing purposes only. 

The titles for these rhymes are given in upper case letters. Other titles that may be used for the same rhyme are given in parenthesis.  The titles for these rhymes aren't chanted. 

These entries in this pancocojams compilation may include my brief editorial notes.

These rhyme examples of these rhymes may be included in other pancocojams posts.

A, B

APPLES ON A STICK 
"
I forgot some of these, and some I never knew. Thanks for sharing and bring back memories :) Pretty sure this is how we sang "Apples on a Stick" in the late 80''s - Apples, Apples make me sick. Makes my heart go 246. Not because they're dirty, not because they're clean, just because I kissed a boy behind the magazine, saying girls, girls, let's have some fun. Here comes (insert name of one of us) with a mini skirt on. She can wibble, she can wobble, she can even do the splits. I bet your bottom dollar she can't do this. Close your eyes and count to ten. If she messes up she has to kiss her boyfriend. 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. If she messed up, man... haha"
-Sheri, 2021, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_XBWIQvnNI&t=15s&ab_channel=That%27ssoNIKKI, 90's old school hand games [comment]

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C, D

CHILI CHILI BANG BANG 
"
chili chili bang bang let's see rica do her thang

i can't

why not

i just can't

why not?

cause my back hurt and my bra too tight with my hips shakin from the left to the right

to the left

to the right

to that left

back to the right

 

good ass thread yella. taking me back to summer times in the 80's!"
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Cherica Cherry (Location: Houston) ; 08-18-2006 , https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/hood-cheers.43158/ "Hood Cheers"
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"Hood Cheers" mean "cheers that were performed in (predominately) African American  working class or poor neighborhoods. Commenters in that lipstickalley.com forum were/are mostly African American.

WARNING: Some comments and rhymes in that lipstickalley.com forum include profanity and/or sexually explicit references.

 
“Yella” is another commenter’s screen name. That name refers to her light skin color (as indicated in this line in the version of “Hollywood Swinging” that she shared: “ Because this light chick don't take no jiiiiiiiiivvveeee....

(The title "Chili Chili Bang Bang" is probably a folk processed form of the title for the rhyme "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang". That "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" rhyme is probably a folk processed form of "Down Down Baby". This version includes a version of the rhyme "Bang Bang Choo Choo Train". 

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CINDERELLA DRESSED IN YELLA
"In the 70s we did Cinderella Dressed in Yella as a jump-roping game... I still remember all the words   LOL  Sweet family and the best instructional clapping game video I've seen."
-lissastube, 2020, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6aCugwqZJ4&t=87s&ab_channel=Lowtechgames , "6 HAND CLAPPING GAMES"

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DOUBLE DOUBLE THIS 
"I was born in 1990 and we called it double double this this in chicago"
-Priddy Lipz, 2020 [comment], https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-NKrzvqz_I&t=309s&ab_channel=Geneas "
90’s hands games !!!!!"  

This video and its discussion thread are no longer available.
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This comment refers to the hand clap rhyme that the two young adult Black American women from Newark, New Jersey called "Hands Up To 85". A comment about that rhyme is given below in this pancocojams post. 

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DOWN DOWN BABY (Comment #1)
"Here's a pretty innocuous version. Clapping rhyme, Atlantic City NJ, late 70's:

Down Down Baby, down by the roller coaster
Sweet Sweet Baby, my heart's in love
Ooh, che-chihuahua
Biscuit
I solemnly love her
Biscuit
She is so sweet
Biscuit
Like a cherry treat
Biscuit
Touche Turtle, pull down your girdle
Biscuit
-Ruth Archer, http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=100653&messages=29 "Down Down Baby-Race in Kid's Rhymes", 10 Apr 07

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DOWN DOWN BABY (Comment #2)
"Here's a version I used in a preschool in the 1990's. It is another non-confrontational, non-racial example of this rhyme. I used this "singing game" because the preschool was predominately black and I identified this as a culturally relevant game.

 Down Down Baby

Down down baby, down by the roller coaster (shimmy shoulders and arms)
Sweet sweet baby, I'll never let you go. (hug yourself)

Shimmy shimmy co-coa pop, (hands on hips and shimmy hips)
Shimmy shimmy bop! (hands on hips and shimmy hips)
Shimmy shimmy co-coa pop, (hands on hips and shimmy hips)
Shimmy shimmy bop! (hands on hips and shimmy hips)
-From: GUEST,MW, 19 Oct 10;  https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=100653, Lyr Add: Down Down Baby-Race in Children's Rhymes

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DOWN DOWN BABY (Comment #3)
[Editor's note: This commenter refers to racialized versions of "Down Down Baby" that includes the line "Step back White boy, you don't shine/Imma get a Black boy to beat your behind.]

"Very cool to finally find a historical resource of the musically interesting trauma I experienced in 1st grade 1971 North East Houston Texas. I’ve asked everybody all my life and they’d never heard the song sung to me after I was beat up by the neighbor children. I was an easy to beat up white kid (actually Hispanic) so they did it as often as possible until I stopped walking to and from school.

Me with a bloody nose crying on the ground would hear:

White patty white patty you don’t shine
You got bumps on your booty like Frankenstein.

There were 2 or 3 other verses that I can’t recall but that one would make me laugh. I tried to laugh with them in hopes I could be friends.

Thanks for this cathartic resource!"
-GUEST, Ehaw, 7 Oct 20, https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=100653, Lyr Add: Down Down Baby-Race in Children's Rhymes

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DOWN DOWN BABY (Comment #4)
"I'm 62 and played "Down, Down Baby" in L.A. in the 60's. LOVE you 2 beautiful ladies!"
-Eileen Clark-Nagaoka, 2020 [comment], https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-NKrzvqz_I&t=309s&ab_channel=Geneas "90s Hand Games"

This video and its discussion thread are no longer available. "90’s hand games (part 2)" 
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"L.A." = Los Angeles, California, USA

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DOWN BY THE BANKS OF THE HANKY PANKY (and similar titles)
This pancocojams post purposely doesn't include any examples of these very widely chanted rhymes. Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/02/part-ii-of-list-by-states-of-visitor.html
for 
"Examples Of Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" Listed By States (from the discussion thread of two 2021 pancocojams posts). That is the latest of a large number of this blog's posts about "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" rhymes.  

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E, F

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G, H

HANDS UP TO 85
"
We did “hands up” a little different. Born in 91. We would do “hands up 85...and the focus was whatever topic; names, colors etc lol

I miss this stuff man 😭”
-Kerra Lordeus, 2020 [comment] 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-NKrzvqz_I&t=309s&ab_channel=Geneas "90s Hand Games" "90’s hands games !!!!!" 

This video and its discussion thread are no longer available.
  

 [This is a version of the "Concentration" hand clap game]

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HEY, BABY, HOW 'BOUT A DATE
Hey baby, how about a date?
I'll meet you round the corner
'Bout half-past eight.
Hands up!
Tachie Tachie Tachie
Hands down!
Tachie Tachie Tachie!
Sans BOOTS!
Tachie Tachie Tachie
Hands down!
Tachie Tachie Tachie!
Sans BOOTS!
- Barbara Ray (African American female), memory of childhood in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in the 1950s; collected in November 1996 & in August 2009 (second interview) by Azizi Powell

Barbara explained that rhyme was performed like a singing game with two vertical lines of girls facing each other while they clapped the hands of the person standing across from them.

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I, J

I LIKE COFFEE I LIKE TEA (Comment #1)
"Here’s how I heard it as a child in late 70s/early 80s Atlanta:

I like coffee I like tea
I like the Jackson 5 and they like me
So step back white boy you don’t shine
I’ll get the Jackson 5 to beat your behind
Last night and the night before I met my boyfriend at the candy store
He bought me ice cream he bought me cake
He brought me home with a stomach ache
Mama mama I feel sick
Call the doctor quick quick quick
Doctor doctor shall I die
Close your eyes and count to 5
1 2 3 4 5 I’m alive
See that house on top of the hill
That’s where me and my baby gonna live
Gonna cook some oatmeal cook some bread
Come on baby let’s go to bed
-Sarah, November 3, 2020, http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2012/01/racialized-versions-of-i-like-coffee-i.html [comment]

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I LIKE COFFEE I LIKE TEA (Comment #2)
"I went to elementary school starting in 1980, in Bloomfield, Connecticut (adjacent to Hartford). The girls (including my sister) did clapping games on the bus everyday it seemed, and when they hung out in the street, etc. Demographic note: my family is White; Blacks (including many Jamaicans) are a majority in the town, and were most of our playmates.

The version to this one went:
"I like coffee, I like tea
I like a Black/White boy an' he likes me
So step back White/Black boy, you don't shine
I'll get a Black/White boy to beat your behind."

The girls would switch the race of the boy, depending on who was singing. Sometimes there'd be confusion if a White and a Black girl were playing together, and they'd sort of get jumbled up on that word and try to push their version. Sometimes they would agree on a skin tone based on a previous conversion about who the girl whose "turn" it was actually "likes." The reason why I remember distinctly that they did it both ways was that as a little kid I tried to imagine what "you don't shine" meant. I'd try to reason what skin tone "shined" more! Needless to say, I never figured it out!"
-Guest Gibs, 05 Mar 09, originally published on http://awe.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=115045&messages=154&page=2 RE: Not Last Night But The Night Before-rhyme 
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Here's a portion of my March 5, 2009 response to Guest Gib (posted to that "Not Last Night But The Night Before-rhyme" thread)

..."Here's my take on that "you don't shine" phrase:

In this context, "shine" means to be as radiant as the sun or stars. Saying "you don't shine" to a boy means that you don't think that he is anything special (in looks, and/or in actions, or in his very being) as he or she thinks he is. "....

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K, L

KEEP THE KETTLE BOILING
"
Diamonds, Rubies, Pearls and Aces

Keep the kettle boilin n leave no spaces.

We use to jump rope to this in the early 60's in Stow, Ohio. "Leave no spaces" meant as soon as one person left the double dutch jumping, another one in line had to jump right in behind her - without letting the rope come around again."
-GUEST,Belinda, 22 Aug, 07, https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=4300,  Children's Street

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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CHILDREN TOO
Ladies and gentlemen, children too
This brown girl
She gonna boogie for you
She gonna turn all around
She gonna wear her dresses up above her knees
She gonna shake her fanny just as much as she please.
I never went to college.
I never went to school.
But when it comes to boogie,
I can boogie like a fool.
You go in out, side to side.
You go in out, side to side."
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Barbara Ray (African American female), memory of childhood in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in the 1950s; collected in November 1996 & in August 2009 (second interview) by Azizi Powell

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M, N

NUMBERS
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I was born in '84. In New Orleans "Slide" is called 'Numbers.' Its the same concept with a different rhythm to the clapping. I've heard of slide from one of my cousins from Detroit but never in New Orleans"
-Ink Pen, 2020, [comment] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-NKrzvqz_I&t=309s&ab_channel=Geneas "90s Hand Games" "90’s hands games !!!!!" 

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ORDER IN THE COURT 
"from the sf bay area in the 60's:
order in the court
the monkey wants to speak
speak monkey speak
the first one to speak
is the monkey of the week
-Guest, sundaymonkey, http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=81350&messages=221, "I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes", 6/17/2005
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"sf bay" = San Francisco bay area (California)

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ROCKIN ROBIN (Also known as "Twee Lee Lee" or similar words) [Comment #1]
"Zing zing zing
Like a washin machine
All the little birdies on jaybird street
Love to hear the robin sing
Tweet tweet tweet
Rockin robin

We gonna rock to the treetop
All night long
Hustlin and bustlin
And singing that song
Mama in the kitchen stirring that rice

Daddy on the corner shooting them dice
Brother in jail ringing that bell
Sister on the corner selling fruit cocktail
All the little birdies on jaybird street
Love to hear the robin sing

Tweet tweet tweet
Rockin robin
Tweet tweet twee
Rockin robin

Wow looking back there were some questionable lyrics lol
But every girl I ever met during my entire childhood knew this and other rhymes and were an excellent way to break the ice and make friends or chase away boredom. :-) memories
-GUEST,80s Baby, Sweetie,  https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=100653, Lyr Add: Down Down Baby-Race in Children's Rhymes

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ROCKIN ROBIN (Also known as "Twee Lee Lee" or similar words) [Comment #2]
"Doods, I’m 40 and I remember a lot of these.  We also had one about Mc Donald’s Big Mac or something lol.  Rockin Robin is older than me."
- AXeBaBe, 2020 [comment], https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-NKrzvqz_I&t=309s&ab_channel=Geneas "90s hands games!!!"

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THE SPADES GO (also known as "The Space Goes", "Two Lips" and similar titles) [Comment #1)
"
I grew up in Kansas City in the early 1950s. We clapped to:

In Spain it's
Two lips together
Twilight forever
Bring back my love to me
What is the mee ee ee eening
Of all of these flow ow ow owers?
They tell the sto oh oh oh ree
Of true love
From me to you"
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Anonymous, September 21, 2022, https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2025/11/examples-of-spades-go-two-lips-together.html  "More Examples Of "The Spades Go Two Lips Together") with some comments about the meaning of the word "spades" in those rhymes"

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THE SPADES GO (also known as "The Space Goes", "Two Lips" and similar titles) [Comment #2)
"I grew up in Cranford, NJ and learned the version cited way above as "Two lips" probably in '63 when I was in third grade and learning clapping games. This was a high skill clapping game, because the pattern was harder, the song was longer and changed melody. While the pattern stayed the same (slap clap slap clap reverse slap) we changed how we held our hands - my heart goes was done with fists, and I saw the ship sail away was done with two fingers. I am a folksinger and music teacher. I was doing a residency in a school in Roxbury, MA in the 80's on songwriting, and the girls in the class were sharing a clapping game with me - a version of shimmy-shimmy cocoa puff - and I was about to share "The Spades" with them when it suddenly struck me what spades could mean - I had always thought it was cards, like a fortune teller! I quickly switched to "I woke up Sunday morning", and put it aside to think about later. I agree with you, I think it refers to the coolness and skill of the girls of color from who it was learned. I am still weeding out of my repertoire the songs that I have recently learned have racist roots, and will continue to do so as we learn more. love this thread!"
-Unknown, October 25, 2020, 
https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2025/11/examples-of-spades-go-two-lips-together.html  "More Examples Of "The Spades Go Two Lips Together") with some comments about the meaning of the word "spades" in those rhymes"

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THE SPADES GO (also known as "The Space Goes", "Two Lips" and similar titles) [Comment #3]
"I remember playing this game in the first grade, Levittown NY, 1960

The spades go tulips together, my loves in heaven, bring back my love to me
What is the meaning of all the flowers, they tell a story, a story of love from me to you
I got a new car, it was shiny red
It tipped over, my husband dropped dead, from me to you chachacha
I can’t believe I remember this…. It was all sung to very sophisticated clapping games… so of the girls were amazing and never missed a beat"
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Anonymous, September 28, 2022https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2025/11/examples-of-spades-go-two-lips-together.html "More Examples Of "The Spades Go Two Lips Together") with some comments about the meaning of the word "spades" in those rhymes"

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THE SPADES GO (also known as "The Space Goes", "Two Lips" and similar titles) [Comment #4]
"I have been looking for this rhyme for a long time. I learned it as a hand clapping game at a my day camp in Suffolk County, Long Island in the mid 1970s. I never associated the word “spade” with African Americans. Here is the song as I remember it, but i cannot remember it in its entirety.


The spades go 2 hearts together
Twilight forever
Bring back my love to me.

What is the me-e-eaning of all the bites on your neck
They tell the stor-or-ory the story of love, from you to me.

When we get ma-a-arried we’ll have some
chil-il-ildren
Maybe 1 or two-oo-oo-oo or 3 or 4 or maybe more.

Where shall we li-i-i-ive
In sunny Spai-ai-ai-ain

that’s it. Does anyone know this version or remember how it ends?"
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Anonymous, October 3, 2025, https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2020/10/examples-of-childrens-rhyme-two-lips.html Examples Of The Children's Rhyme "Two Lips" Or "Tulips Together" (also known as "The Spades Go")

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THE SPADES GO (also known as "The Space Goes", "Two Lips" and similar titles) [Comment #5]
"I think this is probably a combination of different rhymes, but this is how we said it. This was white kids on Long Island (Garden City) in the late 50s, maybe very early 60s. At the time, I had no idea what "spades" meant.

The spades go tulips together

Tie them together

Bring back my love to me.

What is this thi-ing called love?

I do not kno-ow my love

It is the sto-ory of

The story of

Itsy bitsy, teeny-weeny

Abobobolini

Hopscotch, dominoch

There goes Liberach

Let's get the rhythm of the hands

Two-three-four

Let's get the rhythm of the opposite countries

Czechoslovakia

Boom steady boom

Yugoslavia

Boom steady boom

Let's get the rhythm of the opposite numbers

2, 4, 6, 8

Who do we appreciate?

When I get mad, I get frisky

When I get frisky, I drink whisky

When I drink whisky, I fall down!"
-Anonymous, April 30, 2023, https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2020/10/examples-of-childrens-rhyme-two-lips.html Examples Of The Children's Rhyme "Two Lips" Or "Tulips Together" (also known as "The Spades Go")
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Thursday, May 28, 2026

Firecracker Motifs In United States (Traditional) Cheerleading Cheers




Bugs Bunny Bugs Bunny RA RA RA

meatwadgunit, Jun 19, 2010
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Notice that the two fans weren't energized until they began to repeat Bugs Bunny's cheer. 

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This pancocojams post showcases the Bugs Bunny cheerleader film clip and presents information about and examples of the firecracker motif (recurring idea, theme) in some United States (traditional)* cheerleading cheers.

*The word "traditional" refers to "mainstream" cheerleader cheers as opposed to "stomp & shake" cheerleader cheers.

The content of this post is presented for historical, folkloric, and educational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the composers of these cheers, and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the producers and the publisher of this embedded cartoon clip.

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THE HISTORY AND PURPOSES OF THE FIRECRACKER MOTIF IN CHEERS


These excerpts are given in no particular order and are numbered for references purposes only.

SOURCE #1
from AI Overview [These entries are the result of my May 27 & 28, 2026 online queries about early United States cheers.]
"In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, American cheerleading was an all-male activity focused entirely on organizing the crowd. These early "yell leaders" relied on rhythmic, locomotive-style chants to build stadium energy, eventually evolving into the structured sideline cheers used today.

The Birth of Organized Cheers -The first known organized cheer was documented at Princeton University in 1884. This style of chanting set the foundation for the "Locomotive" chant, which became incredibly popular across American universities

The Princeton Cheer (1884)
"Ray, Ray, Ray!
Tiger, Tiger, Tiger!
Sis, Sis, Sis!
Boom, Boom, Boom!
Aaaaah!
Princeton, Princeton, Princeton!"

The Locomotive Cheer (Late 1800s)
"Rah! Rah! Rah!
Tiger!
S-s-s-t!
Boom!
A-h-h-h!"

The Minnesota Varsity Cheer (1898)
"
Rah, Rah, Rah!
Ski-u-mah!
Hoo-Rah!
Hoo-Rah!
Varsity! Varsity!Varsity,
Minn-e-So-Tah!"

Early Women's Cheers (1920s–1940s)
As women joined the ranks and cheerleading expanded into high schools and collegiate athletics, cheers incorporated rhyming couplets, spelling, and spelling-out letters to keep fans directly engaged with the game.

The Rowdy Cheer
"R-O-W-D-I-E
That's the way we spell rowdy!

Rowdy, rowdy, let's get rowdy!"

The Knock 'Em Down Chant
"Knock 'em down,
Roll 'em around,
Come on (Team Name),
Knock 'em to the ground!"…

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SOURCE #2
From https://www.facebook.com/CheerDaily/posts/throwing-it-back-to-1884where-it-all-beganthe-first-ever-documented-cheer-was-sh/886830590231939/
"Cheer Daily

December 1, 2024

Throwing it back to 1884—where it all began!

The first-ever documented cheer was shouted at Princeton University, igniting the energy of the crowd with these unforgettable words:

Ray, Ray, Ray!

Tiger, Tiger, Tiger!

Sis, Sis, Sis!

Boom, Boom, Boom!

Aaaaah! Princeton, Princeton, Princeton!

This chant laid the foundation for the cheerleading traditions we know and love today!”…

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SOURCE #3
From AI Overview [This write-up is the result of my query about the famous Bugs Bunny cheer.] 
"The famous cheer is:"Bricka-bracka, firecracker, sis-boom-bah! Bugs Bunny, Bugs Bunny, rah, rah, rah!"

This phrase was popularized by the United States Naval Academy's iconic nautical siren cheer. It became a major pop-culture staple when Bugs Bunny led a crowd in the cheer during the classic 1943 Merrie Melodies cartoon Super-Rabbit.

The History of the Cheer

The cheer itself is an evolution of the traditional American "skyrocket yell.”

"Sis-Boom-Bah”
Originally an onomatopoeia for a launching skyrocket (a hissing fuse, an explosion, and the crowd's "ah"), this chant dates back to at least 1869 when it was shouted at the first intercollegiate football game between Rutgers and Princeton.

The Cartoon: In the 1943 short Super-Rabbit, Bugs Bunny gains superpowers, dons a Marine uniform, and inspires this enthusiastic stadium chant from his fans."...

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SOURCE #4
AI Overview [This is a result of my May 28, 2026 query about "firecracker cheers".]
"Firecracker cheerleading cheers are high-energy, crowd-pleasing chants that use fun sound effects and rhythmic motions. They are perfect for pumping up the crowd, building spirit, or showing off your team's explosive energy.

The Classic "Firecracker" Cheer
This is one of the most popular and traditional cheerleading cheers.

Words:
Firecracker, firecracker,
boom, boom, boom!
Firecracker, firecracker,
boom, boom, boom!
The boys have the muscles
The coaches have the brains
And the girls have the spirit to win the game!

(Repeat first two lines)"USA" Firecracker Chant

"USA" Firecracker Chant
A great play on words that works perfectly for school and all-star squads.

Words:
Open up the barn door,
kick out the hay,
We are the (Team Name / or) girls from the USA!
Turn on the radio,
and what do ya hear?
Elvis Presley doin a cheer!
Firecracker, firecracker, boom, boom, boom!
Firecracker, firecracker, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!"
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The last line is often given as "The girls have the sexy legs". The pee wee (very young) community cheerleaders in that video chanted "The girls have the pretty legs" instead of "The girls have the sexy legs". 

I've also come across online examples of this cheer with the words "The girls have the spirit and we won the game".  

Instead of the words "firecracker firecracker/ boom boom boom" some examples of this cheer use the words "firecracker, firecracker/siss boom bah."

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Combinations of the two featured cheers are widely found online. Here's one example:

"Open up the barn door, kick out the hay,

We are the girls form the USA!

Turn on the radio, and what do ya hear?

Elvis Presley doin a cheer,

Firecracker, Firecracker, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!

Firecracker, Firecracker, BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!

Boys got the muscles, coaches got the brains,

Cheerleaders have the sexy legs and we win the game!"
-@nancygraham4379, 2024 [comment], https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLV29xnLpD8 . published by Randy Ferrell, Oct 9, 2011

[Video summary] "Chenoa and the rest of the Indian Springs Optimist Cowboys Cheerleaders showing their spirit!"

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Wednesday, May 27, 2026

Examples Of "Bobo Ski Otten Wotten" Rhymes (Or Similar Titles) With Decade & City/State Demographics

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest revision - May 28, 2026

This pancocojams post presents a compilation of examples of the children's recreational rhyme "Bobo Ski Otten Wotten" that include the decade and geographic location (city/state in the United States) that the commenter remembers chanting or hearing that example. 

The earliest date that I've come across thus far for an example of "Bobo Ski Otten Wotten" (or similar titles) is the 1940s.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, historical, and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all these contributors of these examples.
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To be clear, I still believe that the source of the "otten totten" words in examples of "Bobo Ski Watten Totten" (and similar titles) is the Black American song entitled "Who Dare" that was published in 1845.

Here's an excerpt of that song that includes the "otten totten" words. (Those words serve as the song's chorus)
From https://www.google.com/books
"The Popular National Songster And Lucy Neal And Dan Tucker's Delight: Containing A Choice Collection Of The Most Admired, Patriotic, Comic, Irish, Negro & Sentimental Songs;

published by Perry, John B

Date: 1845

Publication Place: Philadelphia

SKU b00481

"PAGE 155 

 WHO DARE

Come all you jolly [a plural form of "the n word"]
To you the truth I tell, ah
Neber lib wid white folks
For de neber use you well, ah
     -Dingee, I otten totten 
      Ballio otten dotten
      Dingee I otten dotten
,
      WHO DARE?"
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I used italics for highlighting purposes only.

For the entire composition and my speculation about the meaning of the words in that song, click
https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/11/a-19th-century-source-for-20th-century.html 
"Who Dare" - The 19th Century Black American Source For The 20th Century United States Hand Clap Rhymes "Bobo Ski Otten Totten".
  

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SELECTED EXAMPLES OF "BOBO SKI OTTEN TOTTEN" (AND SIMILAR TITLES) WITH DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION

Before 1970

"My mom told me this was done as a crowd cheer when she was in school in the 1940’s:

Bo bo ski watten tottle, ala sssssssss,
Bo bo ski watten tottle, ala sssssssssss,
Eaten beaten watten tottle
eaten beaten watten tottle,
Bo bo ski watten tottle ala sssssssss."
-submitted by D, https://schoolyardplay.net/bo-bo-ski-watten-totten/
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This example is an exception to the rule in this compilation of only featuring examples that provide geographic demographics.

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"I learned Bo Bo Ski as a small child in the early 50's. It was a cheer they used at high school football games. My mother cheered it in the late 40's in lower Delaware."
-Cathy Wagner, 
https://www.mamalisa.com/?t=es&p=2199, "Mama Lisa "Bo Bo Ski Waton Taton" Hand Clapping Rhyme

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1970s

"Oh my gosh, you brought me back to a long-ago summer at camp in Lake Peeksill, NY!(1970?)

I learned this one as:

"Bo-bo-ski-waten-doten,

EH-EH-EH-EH(boom boom boom)

Bo-bo-ski-waten-doten,

EH-EH-EH-EH(boom boom boom)

ITTY-bitty-waten-doten,

bobo-ski-waten-doten,

bobo-ski-waten-doten,

EH

EH

EH!!!!

 

Thanks so much!!"
-Perry, April 7, 2009, https://kaytmay.blogspot.com/2008/08/childhood-rhymes.html "Childhood Rhymes", Katie May’s Blog, August 27, 2008

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1980s

"Bo bo see watten totten

Eh eh eh eh boom boom boom

Mini mini wa wa bo bo see wa wa

Bo bo see watten boom boom boom~ Cleveland '80s with claps"
-Anonymous, October 25, 2019, https://kaytmay.blogspot.com/2008/08/childhood-rhymes.html "Childhood Rhymes", Katie May’s Blog, August 27, 2008

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"Just went searching this on an old memory from summer camp (Massachusetts, early 80s)! So interesting to see all the different versions from all over the northeast! Ours was a hand clap and the words were:

Bo Bo ski waten taten

Na Na, I am Bo Bo

Eeny Meeny waten taten

Bo bo ski waten taten

Bo bo ski waten taten

BOOM! (With a big mutual hand clapTo end it 🙌🏼"
-KayQue, July 9, 2020, https://kaytmay.blogspot.com/2008/08/childhood-rhymes.html "Childhood Rhymes", Katie May’s Blog, August 27, 2008

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"The way Katie May learned it is exactly how I recall hearing it. It would have either been in Groton, Conn, early 80s, or Hampton VA, mid 80s.

Bobo Shi Otten Totten

Uh-uh, I ain't no fool!

Itty bitty Otten Totten

Bobo Shi Otten Totten

Bobo Shi Otten Totten

Boom!

 

My mind translated it to be an argument between two people, ending with a slap. As a kid, I figured the translation would go something like this...

 

Bobo, she often taught him.

No, I am not a fool.

Lizzy Betty often taught him.

Bobo, she often taught him.

Bobo, she often taught him.

Boom.

 

Anyway, I am convinced that ditty started with actual words, which may or may not have made sense, and much like the whisper game, the words/sounds moved farther away from their origins for each new generation that sang it."
-Anonymous, August 30, 2021, https://kaytmay.blogspot.com/2008/08/childhood-rhymes.html "Childhood Rhymes", Katie May’s Blog, August 27, 2008

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We did the "wotten tottem" version late in Miami way back around 1980. Finding this confirms that the words really were gibberish!"
-clunkygirl, April 28, 2023, https://kaytmay.blogspot.com/2008/08/childhood-rhymes.html "Childhood Rhymes", Katie May’s Blog, August 27, 2008

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"11 yrs old 1980

Oh Bo say

Rotten Cotton

Oh Bo say

Boom Boom Boom Boom

(faster)

Eeny meeny rotten cotton

Oh Bo say rotten cotton

Eeny meeny rotten cotton

BOOM! "
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Anonymous, October 19, 2023, https://kaytmay.blogspot.com/2008/08/childhood-rhymes.html "Childhood Rhymes", Katie May’s Blog, August 27, 2008.

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1990s

"The one I did in the 90's near Chicago was like this and it was a complicated group clapping game

Bo bo ski waten ta-ten

Eh Eh, say boys are rotten

(Faster) Bo bo ski waten taten

Eh eh say boys are rotten

Bo bo ski waten taten

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,out!

^As learned in the 1990's near Chicago"
-LadyShakespeare, October 10, 2019, https://kaytmay.blogspot.com/2008/08/childhood-rhymes.html "Childhood Rhymes", Katie May’s Blog, August 27, 2008

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"As a Minnesotan born in the late 90s, I played this in elementary school. I can’t really remember how it’s played but I can remember kids singing it. I thought it was just some variation on duck, duck, grey duck."
-deleted, 2021, https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/koyoo7/hope_i_dont_stir_up_too_much_controversy_with/ "Obo ski wotten totten or Obo shin otten totten" 

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"Man this takes me back. We played this in elementary school in the early/mid 90s. Where I went to school, in a suburb just north of St. Paul, we said "obo ski wotten totten."
-KristySueWho, 2021,
https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/koyoo7/hope_i_dont_stir_up_too_much_controversy_with/ "Obo ski wotten totten or Obo shin otten totten" 

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..."Here’s the version I grew up with:

o-bo-oh shi-NA ten-TA-ten
ne-ne-eh ai/em-bum-BUM-bu(m)
i-ty bi-ty-AH-ten-TA-(t)en
o-bo-oh shì-NA ten-TA-ten—
MBU!

[...]

I first remember this song/game from daycare or kindergarten in Farmington, Minnesota, USA, in the mid-1990s.

The movement I remember was a circle hand-slapping elimination game: hands were placed so the slap passed around the circle, then after the chant we counted to ten, and the person whose hand was slapped on ten was out unless they pulled their hand away in time."...
-Thrin, May 26 and May 27, 2026 [two comments], 
https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/11/a-19th-century-source-for-20th-century.html " "Who Dare"- The 19th Century Black American Source For The 20th Century United States Hand Clap Rhymes "Bobo Ski Otten Totten"
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These are clips of two long comments that were posted in that pancocojams discussion thread on May 26 and May 27, 2026 by Thrin.

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