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Thursday, December 7, 2023

"Hey Mr. Willy" And Other Folk Processed Forms Of "Frog Missed The Lily Pad" In "Down ByThe Banks Of The Hanky Panky Rhymes (with geographical locations)

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest revision - December 8, 2023

This pancocojams post presents the source of the words "Frog missed the lily pad and went kerplop" words in "Down ByThe Banks Of The Hanky Panky" children's recreational rhymes.

This post also presents some examples of "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" that include folk processed forms of those words. These featured rhyme examples in this post are given with their  geographical locations (as noted by their contributors).  

A lot of other versions of "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" can be found online without their contributors noting their geographic locations.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who contributed examples to this compilation.
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This is part of an ongoing pancocojams series on the recreational rhyme "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky". There are LOTS of pancocojams posts about this rhyme.  
 
Some examples that are included in this post may also be found in previous pancocojams posts on this rhyme including https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/03/part-i-of-some-examples-of-down-by_22.html  "Part I of Some Examples Of "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" Rhymes With Geographic Locations (A - J)" 

and

https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/03/part-ii-of-some-down-by-banks-of-hanky.html "Part II of Some "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" Rhymes" With Geographic Locations (K - Z)" .

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THE 1955 SOURCE FOR THESE WORDS
Folk singer Pete Seeger's 1955 "Foolish Frog" book and song is the direct source of "Froggy missed the lily pad and went kerplop" and their folk processed versions in "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" rhymes. 

Here's that portion of that book/song:
"There was a big old bullfrog, hopping from bank to bank. (Sound effects). Well, the bullfrog looked up and saw the farmer and decided to show off. He took an extra special big hop - z-z-z-z-tt! He landed, splash! in the water and got himself all wet."

Click https://genius.com/Pete-seeger-the-foolish-frog-lyrics for the complete lyrics for Pete Seeger's "Foolish Frog"

Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NksJ32bjFd4 for a sound file of Pete Seeger's "Foolish Frog".

Pete Seeger's "Foolish Frog" book and song is built on earlier songs, particularly the 
1830s or 1840s poem "Minstrels Of The Pasquotank" by James Biddle Shepherd and the composition that is known as "May Irwin's Frog Song" that was written in 1896 by Charles E. Trevathan and recorded in 1907 by vaudeville singer May Irwin.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/11/how-certain-song-sources-other-real.html for sources for Pete Seeger's "Foolish Frog". 

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AN EXAMPLE OF THOSE WORDS IN A NON-FOLK PROCESSED EXAMPLE OF THOSE RHYMES

https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=63097 Folklore: Do kids still do clapping rhymes?
GUEST,ADalton, 04 Oct 14 

"I was in elementary school when this thread started. I remember:

Down by the banks of the Hanky-Panky
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
Where the eeps, ops, soda-pops,
Froggy missed a lilly and he went ker-plop."...
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This comment also included portions of two other independently chanted rhymes.

In a subsequent comment A Dalton wrote "Forgot to add that I went to school in Los Angeles, CA. "

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SOME FOLK PROCESSED EXAMPLES OF THESE TYPES OF "HANKY PANKY' RHYMES
This is only a small number of  this type folk processed versions of "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" of "Frog Missed The Lily Pad" that I've come across.

These examples are given in no particular order.

The online sources (or other sources) and date and place citations are given without their time stamps. I added italics to highlight the folk processed form of  "Froggy missed the lily pad and went kerplop" words.

This is only one type of "Hanky Panky" rhymes that include folk processed words. One other group of folk processed "Hanky Panky" rhymes are those that include the name "Billie Jean" or a folk processed form of that name.  Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2014/04/forms-of-name-billie-jean-in-down-by.html for a 2014 pancocojams post entitled "Forms Of The Name "Billie Jean" In "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky" Rhymes"

Here's the examples of rhymes that are featured in this post: 

https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/03/part-ii-of-some-down-by-banks-of-hanky.html [comments]

Version #1
Anonymous, February 2, 2023 

"From Utah 80's/90's:

Down by the banks of the Hanky Panky
Where the bullfrog jumps from bank to banky
Singing ee ee ii ii oh oh oo oo
Oops slap a dilly and a bar roo"

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Version #2
Anonymous, November 8, 2023 

..."I’m from the Lacey/Toms River area of Central Jersey/Jersey Shore and this was the variety we sang at the Toms River YMCA summer camp between 2003-2007 (when I was 7-11). A lot of kids learned it there similar to this, but we had variations there too:

“Down by the banks of the hanky panky
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank
Saying eep, pop, eep, pop pop
Skiddle diddle kernel pop!
I pledge allegiance to the flag
Michael Jackson makes me gag
Coca Cola messed me up
Now I’m drinking 7-Up
7-Up has no caffeine
Now I’m drinking gasoline
Gasoline ran out of fuel (or: gave me the flu) (or: isn’t good for you)
Now I’m drinking Mountain Dew
Mountain Dew fell off the mountain
Now I’m drinking from a fountain
The fountain broken
So now I’m drinking plain old coke”

Sometimes we had a verse in there like:
“7-Up has no caffeine
Now we’re talking jelly beans
Jelly beans are out of style
Now we’ve been talking for a while”

And a verse with Sprite also that I forget.
Also we had little add-ons like counting down and stuff, with clapping I think? “10, 9, 8, 7"
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This contributor also shared some other rhymes in that comment. 

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Version #3

Amia, November 24, 2023 
"hello, i'm from utah and wanted to share the variation i learned in girl scouts ! unfortunately i don't know the actual lyrics to the last half of the song, only what it sounds like it was saying, and i haven't been able to find anyone else posting a variation like this online.

"down by the banks of the hanky panky, where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky, saying ee ee ah ah oh oh oo" is the part i know for sure, then after that it's something like "boom slap-a-dilly with a ba-roo on you" but i dont actually know what it says, that's just what it sounds like."


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Version #4
Anonymous, November 28, 2023
"Grew up in Northern Illinois, the state-line area between Wisconsin and Illinois. We always did the following:

“Down by the banks of the Hanky Panky, where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky, singing eeps, ipes, Opes, Ohps, me sock-a-dilly and a ding dang dong!

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Version #5
Anonymous, November 28, 2023
"
This is the version that I remember playing in Denver, Colorado from the 2010s:


Down by the banks of the hanky banky
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
With a heaps hops, over the tops
And lands on a lilly pad with a kerplops

I pledge allegiance to the flag
that Justin Bieber makes me gag
Coca-Cola has caffeine
and now we're talking Billie Jeans
Billie Jeans went out of style
Now lets sit and talk a while

There's a party round the corner
wont you please, please come
Bring your own cappuccino
and your own chewing gum
What is your boyfriends name
(The person who it landed on would say someone's name)
__ loves __ yadda yadda yadda
__ loves __ yadda yadda yadda
O-U-T spells you are out!

Sometimes we would just do the first part, or just the last part, depending on who we were playing with."

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http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/02/down-by-banks-of-hanky-panky-video.html [comments] 

Version #6
Anonymous, June 3, 2023 

"I learned the version I know as a kid in the early 2000's I think I was in 4th grade so that will be around 2003-2004 in Northwest Louisiana. The version we sang was quite a bit shorter and we would sit in a circle and do a hand slapping game until one person was left.
The lyrics went

Down by the riverfront hanky panky where the bullfrogs say your booties stanky and a hip hop lollipop AEIOU bamboo on YOU."   

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https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=94034&messages=454&page=1  Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky [Page 1 of a 10 page discussion thread. I started this Mudcat discussion thread in 2006. . Although it is given as page 1, on pancocojams I use it as a citation for all of the pages of that Mudcat discussion thread. For some reason, this discussion thread has another link which appears to be only a portion of these rhymes. That link may also be used for Mudcat "Origins" etc. ] 

Version #7
GUEST, 07 Apr 09

"The version that I learned as a child (Arizona in the 1980s) were:

Down by banks of the hanky panky
where the bullfrog jumps from bank to banky
With a hip, hip, hip, hop
He jumps from a lilypad --
KERPLOP

 

This was sung, so it was likely taught to us by adults at summer camp.

My friends and I also had variants of the other rhymes, but they were separate"

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Version #8
GUEST, 08 Jul 08
"when i was growing up in northern california, the lyrics i learned went, "Down by the banks of the hanky panky

Where the bullf
Fogs jump from bank to banky
With an eeps ipes opes opps
Hey Mr. Bullfrog goes kerplop!"

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Version #9
GUEST,Amanda, 13 Oct 09
 "Beverly Hills, CA, 1984-1988. What I remember:

 Down by the banks of the hanky pank
where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank
with an eeps, eips, opse, opps
me socka dilly with a kerplop


For the record, I was always confused by the socka dilly line, but that's what everyone sang so there you go. Seeing some of the lily pad versions is very interesting and I love all the variations!"....

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Version #10
GUEST, David Taylor, 05 Jul 08 
"I remember when i was in 6th grade Crowley Elementary ( Visalia, Ca year 1991 ) and we sung it like this:

down by the river of the hanky pank
where the bull frog jumped from bank to bank
going eep opp soda pop
Hey Mr Willy...and he went ker-plop

 

and if you were smacked on the sound plop...you were out..and the circle got smaller...man...RECESS was fun!!!!

remember double dutch!!!" 

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Version #11
GUEST,Emily - GA, 30 Dec 07
"I'm from GA, and my most vivid memory of playing this hand game was at girlscout camp in north ga. It was probably sometime around 1993-1995.

Our version was:

Down by the banks of the hanky panky
where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank
you go eeps iips opes oops
chilly willy ding dong!

 

It fascinates me the number of variations on this there are. I had no idea! I sure do hope children still play these games - I have such fond memories"

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Version #12
GUEST, Max, 15 Dec 19
"I heard this one in elementary school in Atlanta, GA, probably between '05-'08. Some variations on here got close to mine, but not quite. Here's the version I remember best:

Down by the banks of the Hanky Pank
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank
Singin' eeps, ipes, opes, ups
Chilly willy ding dong
I pledge allegiance to the flag
Michael Jackson makes me gag
Coca Cola, burn it up
Now we're talkin' 7-Up
7-Up has no caffeine
Now we're talkin' Billie Jean
Billie Jean is out of sight
Now we're talkin' dynamite
Dynamite blew up the school
Now we're talkin' really cool
10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1!"

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Version #13
GUEST, 28 Nov 10
"Here's mine from either Indiana or Virginia in the mid 90's, mainly sung by girls, but boys also. we sat in a circle, with our hands interlocking, whoever it landed on was out, and so forth like many others above.

Down by the banks of the hnaky panky
where the bullfrog jump from bank to banky
with an eips aeips, opps oops,
oomph flop a dilly and an om flop flop.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZDI_VchOmo "Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky"

Version #14

@morgan_heyyy, 2022
"theres so many different versions

i learned:

down by the banks of the hanky panky where the bullfrog jumps from banks to banks saying eeps ops sodapops froggy missed a lilypad and when kerplops"

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https://www.reddit.com/r/nostalgia/comments/pme8mi/down_by_the_banks_of_the_hanky_panky/


Version #15
Armedwithlysol, 2021
"
In the Chicago suburbs:

Down by the banks of the hanky panky, where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank, with an eeps, an opps, an oo-sock-a-dilly and a kerrr-plop!"

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Version #16
StillHereInSomewhere, 2021
"Columbus OH Down by the banks of the hanky panky. Where the bull frogs jump from bank to banky. With an eep ipe ope oop. Oowop ditty and a bottle of rum."

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Version #17
Former_Ad_329, 2023
"Mine was down by the bank of the Hanley Panky, where the bull frogs jump from bank to banky, saying eeps ieps ohps awps, one fell down and went ker-plop"

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Version #18
winehoe, 2023
"This is super old but popped up when I googled the song. Central coast of California, born in the 80s: down by the banks of the hanky panky where the bull frog jumps from bank to banky. With an eeps, ops, tiddilly dops. Foggy missed the lily pad and went ker plops!"

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Version #19
Defiant_Care_7438, 2023
Hey i lived in arizona and then kansas! the version i learned was

"down by the banks of Hanky Pankys where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank with the ee ii oo uhhp- each little billy was a (rest) ker-plop"

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Version #20
lanky_leo34, 2023
"From the Midwest Down by banks of the hanky panky where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky with an eeps ipes opes umps each slapadilly with a big kerplup 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10"

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Version #21
Emelinerandall, 2023
"I’m from the chicago subarbs and mine went: Down by the banks of the hanky panky, where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank, with an eeps, opps, an oo-sock-a-dilly and a kerr-plops. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, micky mouse, built a house, donald duck, messed it up, who will pay the consequences, mouse or duck? (whoever it lands on is out)"

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Version #22
Flimsy_Ad_8032, 2023
"
Indiana :

Down by the banks of the Hankey Pankey, where the bull frog jumped from bank to bankey with an eeps, ipes, opes, oops, oop flop a dilly and an oop flop flop. Pepsi, cola, ginger ale, ginger ale, ginger ale, ginger ale, ginger ale, pepsi, cola, ginger ale, 7 up, 7up, 7up, you're out."

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Version #23
fangirl5301, 2023
"In the Houston suburbs, it was down by the banks of the hanky-panky, where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank saying eeps, ieps, opps, oops, chili Willy dingdong your breath smells like King Kong Coca-Cola fills you up now you’re drinking 7-Up 7-Up has no caffeine now you’re drinking gasoline gasoline was made for cars now you’re eating candy bars, candy bars was madefrom fat now now you’re eating just like that"

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Version #24
novantinuum, 2023
"I’m so glad I found this post- I was trying desperately to remember the general lyrics of this jingle. After reading a few variations, I finally recalled the (Oregon) version I remember-

Down by the banks of the hankity pank, where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank- With an eeps, ieps, oops, opps- there goes the lily with a big kerplop"

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Version #25
dftbaRachel, 2023
"wow there are so many versions! i learned this from arizona friends in the 2010s, never heard it where im from in kansas.

down by the banks of Hanky Panky where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky with the eeps, ipes, opes, ops, and a wee flipperfilly and a keerplop!”

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https://kcls.org/content/down-by-the-banks-of-the-hanky-panky/ "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky", published by KCLS, August 26, 2009 [King County Library System Headquartered in Issaquah, Washington]

[Pancocojams Editor: This page includes a YouTube video that was made by an adult associated with KCLS] 

Version #26
"
Many different versions abound and can be found online!

Down by the banks of the Hanky Panky,
Where the bull frogs jump from bank to banky,
With a hip, hop, hippity, hop,
Leap off a lily pad and go KERPLOP!
Down by the banks of the Hanky Panky,
Where the bull frogs jump from bank to banky,
With a flip, flop, flippity, flop,
Leap off a lily pad and go KERPLOP!
Down by the banks of the hanky panky
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
With an eep, ipe, ope, op,
Ee-sock-a-diddly and go KERPLOP!"
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The woman who shared this rhyme described it as a jumping rhyme (meaning a rhyme that is chanted while jumping rope.j

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https://www.mamalisa.com/?t=es&p=1769

Version #27


"
Katie Nance wrote 

 "In a fit of nostalgia tonight this song came back to me. Here's how I learned it in 2004 in Southern California:

 (Two people link hands, then to the rhythm of the song pull their arms back and forth between them.)

 Down by the banks of the hanky panky
Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to banky
And a hips, hops, soda pops
Jumped on the lily and went kerplop.

 

(Now it's just chanting)


I pledge allegiance to the flag
Michael Jackson makes me gag
Coca Cola has caffeine
Now we're talking jelly beans
Jelly beans are out of style
Now we're taking for a while
Charlie Brown is it (whoever the hands were closest to was "it")."

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https://qa.answers.com/music-and-radio/What_are_the_lyrics_for_down_by_the_banks_of_the_hanky_panky

Version #28

Wiki User, 2010

Down by the banks of the hanky panky
Where the bullfrogs jump form bank to banky
With a heeps, hops, soda pops
Hey Mr. Willy and he went kerplops
With a cherry on top
Here comes Noah walking in the dark
steps on a hammer and builds the ark
Here comes the animals two by two
Hippopotamus, kangaroo
Kaboom, on you
Deep in the jungle where nobody knows
There's a big fat gorilla picking his nose
And he picks, picks, flicks, and it lands on you
Kaboom!


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Wednesday, December 6, 2023

Memories Of The 1980s Wop Dance & Other Comments From Two YouTube Videos' Discussion Threads



UPROXX Video, July 19, 2009
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Throughout this video of Doug E. Fresh & The Get Fresh Crew's Hip Hop rap "All The Way To Heaven" which was released in 1986 are scenes of African American women and men people dancing the Wop.\
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Hat tip to @aliciaburbank9962, a commenter in discussion thread #1 below, for mentioning this video. Also, hat tip to the other commenters who are quoted in this post who mentioned other 1980s records and other media products that mention or feature scenes of people doing the Wop.

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II of a two part pancocojams series about the 1980s/1990s Hip Hop "Wop" dance.

This post presents selected comments from the discussion threads for two of the YouTube videos on the 1980s "Wop" dance that are showcased in Part I of this series.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/12/examples-from-youtube-of-ways-wop-was.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. That post showcases two film clips of 1980s footage of the Wop dance. This post also showcases one instructional video of the Wop and one video performance of this dance by a man who remembers it from the 1980s. 

The Addendum of that post showcases two TikTok compilations that document some ways that the "Wop" is danced in 2023.,,

The content of this post is presented for historical and cultural purposes. I'm particularly interested in documenting the comments that refer to mention of or scenes of people dancing the Wop in 1980s records and in 1980s mass media. 

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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This is part of an ongoing pancocojams series on African American dances with the name "Wop". Click the tag below for other pancocojams posts in this series.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/12/timeline-of-wop-records-significant.html for my editorial comment in the Addendum to that post that presents my theory that the origin of the dance name "Wop" comes from about the word "doo-wop". 

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THESE VIDEOS' DISCUSSION THREADS
with numbers added for referencing purposes only

DISCUSSION THREAD #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzmhNJ4ASbg How to Do the Wop | Hip-Hop Dancing
Howcast, Sep 22, 2012  How to Do Hip-Hop Dance Moves

"Okay. So we got the Wop we're working on now. Another dance from a little back in the day, right? So we're going to start, feet apart, knees bent. The Wop, we're going to just get the groove first. The Wop has an up groove, right? So we're going to accent up. Accent up. Just bending my knees but the stronger motion's up. Up, up, up, up.

Tricky thing is you're arms are opposite. So you go down, arms come up. You go up, arms go down. Swing, like you're swinging a baseball bat, kind of. And, and, and, and you get your head in the game. Boom, boom, boom, boom. You can move your feet. You can step. Step, step, step, step over, and back. Back, and over.

That's the Wop. That's the Wop with a partner you can slap hands. There you go with the Wop. Let's try it with some music.

There you go. Wop it out. Wop it out."

[Comments]

2013

1. @peridot29
"YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!  Thank you.  This is the WOP!!!!  Can't tell me nothing on the dance floor when I rocking this.  Learn young whippersnappers,,,LEARN."

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2. @jakestarr4442
"yes it is...the wop was a dance move before it was a dance"

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3. @CalladaTormenta
"Umm yes, it is. That's the wop from the 80's, not the new one with the song that you're thinking of."

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4. @TheTruthSayer90, 2021
"is the new song that you think you are referring to is by J Dash? J Dash also did a wop."

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5. @WadeEvansMusic
"aka the vine national anthem dance"

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6. @mizzkizzy09
"What the hell? This is not the wop!"

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7. @broinator2641, 2019

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8. @broinator2641, 2019
"It's the original wop, not the "new" wop"

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Reply
9. @alehiasavage1554, 2021
"Now it’s wap"

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10. @unworldlychaos
"It's the real one! If u want Miley's she did a different thing I bet"

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11. @funktavious
"Finally somebody showing people how to do the real wop.  All these commenters saying that this isn't the wop needs to do some research.  This is the wop.  The new dance that everybody else is doing goes by the same name but is not the original"

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2014

15. @rb7007
"This is the Old Skool Wop, seen in Bell Biv Devoe, Bobby Brown, Salt n Pepa videos.. (not that twerking cr@p they do today) Lol!

Loved this dance back in the day.

Anyone remember the reverse wop we used to do in the Raves in the UK? Really speeded up,...it was hilarious!

Great memories."

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16. @HarkeningGodsVoice
"Thank you for doing the "real" wop..not that new song that the kids today think it is.  Just like when those Harlem shake vids went viral and everyone forgot that an actual Harlem shake move had long since existed!"

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17. @54mensababe, 2015
"+HarkeningGodsVoice I feel you on tat one. The original Harlem Shake had class and style and not just a bunch of jumping around."

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2015

18. @painlessrisen9787
"this is the ORIGINAL Wop"

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19. @54mensababe
"+painlessrisen For real. I don't know what those other Wop videos are all about. smh"

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20. @NoHippieBBQCooking
"46 years old.. My generation knows this dance.. You nailed it.. Even got the hand on the hip at the end.. If people aren't older than lets say 42 they can't really understand"

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21. @majikle
"+No Hippie BBQ & Cooking exactly - these young cats think this "wop, wop, wop, wop" ish... is the real wop... they need to learn somethin' lol"

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22. @enluv2
"That is not the DC Wop from the 80s. I don't know where these people are getting their dance lessons from. What's missing is moving her hips. It was with a jelly roll, front to the back. It was a work out and it was fun. 1983 was the year so many iconic dances from back in the day came out.  Backin the day, we would do the Snake and could drop to the ground and come back up in one smooth move-. The Michael Jackson. The Smurf. The Cabbage Patch. The Wop. It was great."

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23. @54mensababe
"+enluv2 This is the way we were doing the Wop in DC in the 70's. North East side."
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Notice this commenter wrote "the 70s". This is the first time I've come across any reference to the "Wop" in the 1970s. I wonder if this is a typo and that commenter meant to write "the 80s".

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24. @scoobydoo6330
"Ah the 80's if you wasn't born or live this decade this was a dance that we use to do back then whether it was at a house parties or a club I use to it do it now go or learn how to do this dance move much memories long live the 80's"

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25. @sandramayes8679, 2023
"Since you brought up house parties, that's where I first saw this dance, was on House Party... Sydney and Sharane  was doing it, I'll never forget that, lol"

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2016

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2017
26. @rogercobbs4297
"what was name of the wop song from 80s"

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27. @macben3266
"Roger Cobbs woppit by B Fats"

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28. @ivargas220iv
"Thank you so much. Too many of today's kids do it different and I just can't with that.....thank you for keeping it old school"

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29. @PPikes
"wop is a derogatory term for Italians, I've always been leery of saying this lols! but this is dance from my childhood"

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2018

30. @shartricboyd9197
"This the REAL WOP!! '86!"

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31. @aliciaburbank9962
"I know she did this a while ago but it really brings back memories. Not sure about the negative comments but i usually see these when ppl don't know their history. Please check out Doug e Fresh's "all the way to heaven" video if you're confused. You're welcome."

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2019

32. @rachellemcadams1438
"Back in the day we called this one the NY wop because there was a different variation called the DC wop."

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33. @tatum8499, 2022
"Brings back memories from DC gogo"

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34. @xavierwilliams2228
"Didnt vanessa do this on the Cosby show intro?"

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35. @RoyalGrean, 2020
"And the sister on Coming to America"

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2020

36. @alexandernegron3128
"Wop Wop Wop Wop dont stop

Right first put yo left hand on top

WOP WOP WOP WOP ðŸ•º"

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37. @christmasdevil6415
"I looked up wap now I'm here"

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38. 
@maren5056
"ah this is what the WAP comes from

only gen z will know what I mean"

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39. @gracehuynh_
"Gen Z be like "I thought it said wap not wop"

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40. 
@Dozzzzy
"I didn’t come here looking for the WAP dance..."

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41. @MarisaXO
"Anyone else look this up due to watching rainbow do the wop on mixed-ish? 😅"

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42. @Charmedsas1
"1st time I saw the wop was on a different world when I watched it a few years ago.

I'm not from the us😄

Who's here from 2020?"

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43. @ninamaechen3142
"I said WAP not WOP 😂🤦🏻‍♀️"

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44. @ryanilagan3
"I came for the WAP 😏. This ain't it tho"

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2021

45. @curtiswhiteheadjr1322
"I was there in ‘86 when B Fats dropped this joint with his dance. Thank you, Queen for respectfully representing. ✊🏽💯"

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46. @MrBones2020
"OG wap right there"

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47. @chucku.1745
"These kids don't know hip-hop culture. History repeats itself."

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2022

48. @PatinaEdochie
"Righttt that oldschool 80s/90s WOP I knew in childhood 🔥"

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49. @troystewart2909
"80' teens know the real Wop and Harlem Shake. Memories at the skating rink .... (sigh)"

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2023

50. @geterdone2023
"She ain't doing it hard enough you suppose to break yo neck."

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51. 
@angelam.haigler9695
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Best tutorial I've seen of this. Great job! I was there when it originated, lol."

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52. @colt45northtexas
"Are the Beastie boys known to do this?"

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53. @dbspaceoditty
"im literally here because i just listend to intergalactic like

 "he didnt just say what i think he did, no way, wanna watch beastie boys do the wop just like i did" "

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54. @merledixon6674
"This always reminds me of intergalactic by beastie boys! "I've been known to do The Wop!" "

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55. @frederickcohen955
"Yeah you Wopping,  but slow down Ma you gotta finesse it.  Real B Boys/Girls had a smooth cool flow..   They actually had a record called" Woppit" by B Fats  when that dance hit the scene..  Original B Boy"

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DISCUSSION THREAD #2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXggapC5ll8  "Tony - The Wop, The Cabbage Patch & The Prep"
published by DJ Tony Vito, Apr 20, 2007

Yes, that's me, kickin' old school moves .... 80's lives on!  The third step in this video is a dance we used to call the Raindance at Bentleys on 40th and Madison;  I've since found out that it is better known as The Prep.

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2007

1. @avp0713
"the video is a split-second ahead of the audio... but you get the idea..."

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2008

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2009

2. @Tallcocoa
"That was so smooth! You took me back on the dance floor 1990 kick'n it with you!"

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2010

3. @kenswift12345
"Love the prep moves. Brings me back to my youth!"

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4. @SMC799
"Honey, I'm 40 and grew up in NY and we did those dances and they were FUN! You did your thang! Loved it!"

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5. @mookeychase0907
"LOL,Dats right Tone bring dat 80s ish back homeboy!"

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6. @chakalh2
"what the name this song ?? please"

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7. @avp0713
"@chakalh2  - POISON by Bell, Biv, Devoe"

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8. @peridot29
"Great....Rep the OLD School... or should I say, "OLD SKOOL!!!"

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9.@missVeemack
"@avp0713 oh your not white? Well on this video you look white. Deosnt matter though your old school moves are on point."

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10. @avp0713
"@kingsphatgirl  - white?  ok, well I guess if Obama's white, then i'm white too, thanks though."

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11. @avp0713, 2012
"@gigga143 - People tend to forget that black people come in sooooo many shades.... my little brother doesn't even had a dark or olive skin tone at all.. my sister is white color with light blue eyes.... do we actually need to wear a sign that says "WE ARE BLACK TOO" "..  
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The comment that @avp0713 responded to is no longer part of this discussion thread (as of Dec. 6, 2023 if not before then.)

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2011

12. @Afrodesiahhh
"Hey...not many can bust out this little known move. You can Prep almost as good as me!  Down South we added a sweet little move to it though...maybe I'll post a vid doin' the do with the complete choreography ; )   Your wop...priceless."

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13. @mothball50
"But can you do the smurf, robocop, and gallop? I was diggin the wop btw. It was big in Cali."

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14. @phinchy007
"THAT WAS FUNNY......GREAT JOB. THE PREP WAS MY DANCE......"

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2012

15. @avp0713
"@rinny02852 - Yes I've seen the "new" whop and I can bust that out too.  I put up all these old school dances a few years ago, but I do all the new dances too...  Sometimes when I DJ I have to get out there and break it down for the audience.... lol.

We had so much fun doing the wop;  there were a few different ways to do it."

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16. @brooklynbaby2100
"I remember when my older brother taught me how to do this when I was still in Brooklyn I hate the new wop and Im only 16

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2014

17. @HarkeningGodsVoice
"Thank you for doing the "real" wop..not that new song that the kids today think it is.  Just like when those Harlem shake vids went viral and everyone forgot that an actual Harlem shake move had long since existed!"

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18. @royaldigitalmedia
"Where's the wop?"

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19, @avp0713
":33 to :55 but that is the '80s WOP.  They came out with THE WOP again in like 2008, but it's a sequence of steps.  I can do that one also,  but this vid is about '80s throwback dance moves."

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2015

20. @NoHippieBBQCooking
"46 years old.. My generation knows this dance.. You nailed it.. Even got the hand on the hip at the end.. If people aren't older than lets say 42 they can't really understand"

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2017

 21. @creativequeen8371
"Thank you, Tony! This PROPER instruction on how to do the wop and those other brilliant old skool moves I try and buss (ailments allowing lol) in my house or when out with my equally old skool friends, just for the sake of old times. Not seen but one video that comes close to this. I love the wop move where you make a fist and throw you hand up, really slow, behind your head and bring it back down through the air slowly, but with force, eyes shut - to really show  you are feeling the music. Now THAT'S old skool. Love it!"

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22. @ivargas220iv
"Thank you so much. Too many of today's kids do it different and I just can't with that.....thank you for keeping it old school"

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23.  @ofudgems
"Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy that's what I'm talkin' 'bout right there! Yeah, those were the days man! Respect!" 

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2018

24. @zippieslugdelafluor9038
"Man...I could wop with the best of them back in the day. I still dig that one out when I dance. None of that twerking for me. Lol"

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2020

25. @leorionj
"Finally, the only video I found of the cabbage patch being done CORRECTLY! Get it, Tony!"

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Tuesday, December 5, 2023

Examples From YouTube Of The Ways The WOP Was Danced In The 1980s/1990s (compared to three 2023 TikTok compilation videos) Part I



Max, Jan 13, 2018
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Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest revision -December 6, 2023

This is Part I of a two part pancocojams series about the 1980s/1990s Hip Hop "Wop" dance.

This post showcases two film clips of 1980s footage of the Wop dance. This post also showcases one instructional video of the Wop and one video performance of this dance by a man who remembers it from the 1980s. 

The Addendum of that post showcases three TikTok compilations that document some ways that the "Wop" is danced in 2023. One of these videos compares the "old" Wop with the "new" Wop.

The titles of two of these TikTok videos reflect how the dance name "Wop" has been changed since 2022 to "Drop It To The Floor" (given as "Drop It To The Floor Then Wop" or  "Drop It To The Floor And Lean"). "Drop it to the floor and lean" is a line in that song.

Since 2022 I've come across a few TikTok compilations and YouTube commenters use the word "Wap" instead of "Wop" for this dance . It wouldn't surprise me if these (I think largely unsuccessful) attempts to change the name of this dance reflect people's awareness and concern about the fact that word "wop" is a pejorative referent for Italians and a desire to distance this dance from that pejorative referent.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/12/memories-of-1980s-wop-dance-other.html  for Part II of this pancocojams series. That post showcases a 1986 video of Hip Hop artist Doug E. Fresh that include scenes of people doing the Wop. That post also presents selected comments from the discussion threads for the two YouTube videos of 1980s "Wop" that are showcased in Part I of this series.

The content of this post is presented for historical and cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all the composers of these songs and thanks to all those who are featured in these videos. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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This is part of an ongoing pancocojams series on African American dances with the name "Wop". Click the tag below for other pancocojams posts in this series.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/12/timeline-of-wop-records-significant.html for my editorial comment in the Addendum to that post that presents my theory that the origin of the dance name "Wop" comes from about the word "doo-wop. 

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ADDITIONAL SHOWCASE VIDEOS OF HOW THE WOP WAS DANCED IN 1980s /1990s

SHOWCASE VIDEO #2 - B FATS WOP DANCE



David Huie, July 7, 2017

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SHOWCASE #3 - How to Do the Wop | Hip-Hop Dancing


Howcast, Sep 22, 2012  How to Do Hip-Hop Dance Moves

Okay. So we got the Wop we're working on now. Another dance from a little back in the day, right? So we're going to start, feet apart, knees bent. The Wop, we're going to just get the groove first. The Wop has an up groove, right? So we're going to accent up. Accent up. Just bending my knees but the stronger motion's up. Up, up, up, up.

Tricky thing is you're arms are opposite. So you go down, arms come up. You go up, arms go down. Swing, like you're swinging a baseball bat, kind of. And, and, and, and you get your head in the game. Boom, boom, boom, boom. You can move your feet. You can step. Step, step, step, step over, and back. Back, and over.

That's the Wop. That's the Wop with a partner you can slap hands. There you go with the Wop. Let's try it with some music.

There you go. Wop it out. Wop it out.

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SHOWCASE #4 -  . Tony - The Wop, The Cabbage Patch & The Prep


DJ Tony Vito, Apr 20, 2007

Yes, that's me, kickin' old school moves .... 80's lives on!  The third step in this video is a dance we used to call the Raindance at Bentleys on 40th and Madison;  I've since found out that it is better known as The Prep.
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DJ Tony responded to the question "Where's the Wop?" (in this video) with the time stamp of .33 to :55.

DJ Tony Vito is a light skinned African American. For the socio-cultural record, I included some discussion thread comments on his race that other people wrote and Tony Vito responded to in Part II of this pancocojams series.  

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ADDENDUM  - EXAMPLES OF WAYS THE WOP IS DANCED IN 2023

EXAMPLE #1: Drop It To The Floor Now Lean | Tiktok Dance Compilation



TikTokTrend 30, September 12, 2023

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EXAMPLE #2 - Drop It To The Floor Then Wop Challenge Dance Compilation #dance #tiktok #challenge



One Challenge, Sept. 26, 2023

Drop It To The Floor Then Wop Challenge Dance Compilation Best Dances From TikTok, Youtube and Instagram.

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SHOWCASE VIDEO #3 - Evolution of dance. The Wop tells you what to do, so dance how your body allows you to move. #life



Marie__BustinMoves TV, Sept. 8, 2023 
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The words on the screen indicate that this is a mother/daughter duo.
The mother wearing white clothes does the old school (1980s/1990s) Wop while her daughter does the 2022/2023 moves for that dance. 

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Comments About Race In A YouTube Discussion Thread About Miley Cyrus' 2013 "WOP" Video



BIGHAITI, March 20, 2013