Children's Concentration Camps: Baby Jails In The United States- AGAIN! - Article Excerpt & Comments About Trump's Atrocious Immigration Policy Of Forcible Separating Children From Their Parents

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post provides a Daily Kos article excerpt and selected comments about Trump's atrocious immigration policy with a special focus on how this policy of separating children from their parents has happened before in the United States to Native Americans and to some other children of Color.

The content of this post is presented for historical, socio-cultural, and political purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to all those who are working to end this atrocious, inhumane policy.
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For more information about this subject, click https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tender-age-shelters-trump-border-family-separations_us_5b29d2d0e4b05d6c16c8c122
"Trump Administration Holding Babies And Toddlers In Multiple ‘Tender Age’ Shelters: AP

There are three shelters running in South Texas, with a fourth one planned for Houston, the report said."
By Dominique Mosbergen, 06/20/2018 01:04 am ET.

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ARTICLE EXCERPT AND COMMENTS ABOUT THIS SUBJECT
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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/19/1773218/-Gov-t-s-separation-of-immigrant-children-from-their-parents-revives-deep-pain-among-American-Indians Gov't's separation of immigrant children from their parents revives deep pain among American Indians
Meteor Blades, Daily Kos Staff
Tuesday June 19, 2018 · 12:23 PM EDT
..."Nobody with a heart can listen to the wails of the caged children of undocumented immigrants who have been separated from their parents without sprouting some tears of their own. Which is why in the past couple of weeks we’ve had reconfirmed for us that there are heartless people in charge of the nation’s immigration machinery. In all the rancid policies imposed so far by the Trump regime, none matches this one for pure evil.

This is not the first time children in the United States have been forcibly separated from their parents. Our nation has a history of it. This was done to hundreds of thousands of slave children whose parents or themselves were sold to new, often distant owners. It happened to tens of thousands of American Indian children who were snatched from their parents and forced to attend boarding schools where they were abused and their heritage denigrated and desecrated.

In the words of the founder of the most famous such schools, the Carlisle Indian Industrial School in Pennsylvania, these institutions had as their primary purpose to “kill the Indian, and save the man.” In other words, to engage in a form of ethnic cleansing, a forced acculturation that left behind the wholesale slaughter of the previous era, but was as lethal at destroying culture, religion, and language as any massacre or scalp bounty. They dared call it civilizing.

But, in fact, while the mission was supposedly to save the Indian without killing the person, hundreds of Indian children died at these schools with188 buried at Carlisle alone. Others are known to have died soon after they were returned home after years away.

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About 100 government-run and government-funded boarding schools lasted from the 1870s, when the Army was still actively killing Indians physically, until the 1970s. A readable summary of some the horrors of those schools can be found here. https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/cultural-genocide-veiled-as-education-the-time-for-healing-is-now-vBOUQUlvUky9sxP6Ukg3BA/ "Cultural Genocide Veiled as Education—The Time for Healing Is Now" by Indian Country Today
Jun 22, 2014

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While most of the boarding schools have long been shuttered, and those that remain are very different than in the old days, hundreds of thousands of Indians today are personally affected by what happened in those schools even if they did not themselves attend boarding school.

In my case, it was my grandmother Simmalikee, who raised me until she died when I was nine, my mother being a young teen when I was born. When my grandmother was nine, she was shipped off to boarding school in South Carolina where everything was done to take away her language and culture for seven years. When she returned home to Florida in 1918, she vowed never again to speak English though she knew it perfectly well, sticking solely to Muscogee (Creek), one of the two Seminole languages.

Another boarding school abductee was the mother of my friend and colleague Neeta Lind, the Navajo who is Director of Community at Daily Kos. Her mother, the late Flora Sombrero, was taken at age five to the Mormon-run Tuba City Boarding School in the late 1920s. The attack on her culture began right in front of her parents at Inscription House on the Navajo Nation. The kidnappers cut off Flora’s traditional hair bun and threw it on the ground in front of them, placed her in the back of a pick-up with other children and drove away.

Her sister, who was also taken, ran away from the boarding school so often that they took away her shoes. So she ran away barefoot. They finally gave up. She was one of the lucky ones. On more than one occasion, indigenous children at some boarding schools in the United States and so-called residential schools in Canada ran away in winter and froze to death.

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My colleague Laura Clawson has noted today that the trauma of immigrant children now being separated from their parents by the government will last a lifetime*. Indeed, the psychological impact may very well be intergenerational, as it has been for countless American Indians.

While most of those immigrant children presumably will not be separated from their parents for years as many Native children were, the parallels are unsettling.

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"Tent cities are being built in Texas that Trump hopes will eventually house 4,000 children. 4,000 traumatized children, living in tents in the Texas heat. This outrageous policy needs to stop. I will always fight to keep families together. #EndFamilySeparation #nm01 #nmpolDeb Haaland added,"

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[Deb4Congress retweeted Hillary Clinton]

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What’s happening to families at the border right now is a humanitarian crisis. Every parent who has ever held a child in their arms, every human being with a sense of compassion and decency, should be outraged.

1:20 PM - 18 Jun 2018


* https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/19/1773250/--The-earlier-they-re-out-the-better-Migrant-kids-face-lifelong-trauma-thanks-to-Trump?_=2018-06-19T07:15:39.742-07:00 'The earlier they’re out, the better': Migrant kids face lifelong trauma thanks to Trump
Laura Clawson, Daily Kos Staff, Tuesday June 19, 2018 · 10:15 AM EDT
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Selected comments, with numbers assigned for referencing purposes only
1. Neeta Lind June 19 · 12:29:42 PM
"I’ll never get over that photo at the top.

I’ll never get over what happened to my mother. Today’s news brings back the terrible pain of listening to my mom and her siblings talk about being kidnapped and held prisoners. My mom would cry EVERY time she remembered, even as an elderly woman. Multi-generational trauma.
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[photo caption] "This 1884 photo shows some of 10,000 or so Native children the Carlisle Indian Industrial School separated from their parents as part of a government policy designed to take away their Indian-ness by removing their hair, their language, their culture, and their religion."

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2. jennybravo reply to Neeta Lind June 19 · 05:04:40 PM
"Most people don’t understand that by being raised in boarding schools and rarely if ever seeing their own parents, many of the children did not learn to be parents themselves. Most people learn to parent by watching their own parents. Without that living example, traditional parenting skills may not be passed on. And when you take children away, many parents become depressed and lack a reason to improve their own lives. This is how these practices affect generation after generation of Native families."

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3. Neeta Lind reply to jennybravo June 19 · 11:15:27 PM
"Completely agree. I had a conversation with another person like me whose mother was captured and raised by the government. She said she always wondered why her mom never hugged her or was affectionate or lovingly parented her. As an adult she realized why. This is tragic and affects generations after."

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4. koNko reply to Neeta Lind June 19 · 11:48:08 PM
"This was also a common practice to emasculate and shame Chinese immigrants.

The City of San Francisco drafted a law, the Pigtail Ordinance, requiring that Chinese men arrested have their queues (pigtail braids) cut within an inch of their scalps. Although vetoed, the State of California passed a law and proliferated the practice until a Chinese immigrant, arrested for vagrancy, sued the sheriff for irreparable harm, and took it all the way to the Supreme Court, obtaining a ruling that the law violated the 14th Amendment.

Native Americans and Chinese share similar traditions and beliefs about their hair. In fact, I have often advised Western people not to touch or pet adult Chinese in an overly familiar way, as we find it an offensive overly intimate contact if not invited.1

I can imagine your mother’s distress at such a personal violation.

1 Three things my wife finds uncivilized and intolerable: bare feet on the floor, uninvited touching of her hair and a man touching her towels, chopsticks or rice bowl (typically Asian). Modern girl in other respects."

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5. Neeta Lind replyto koNko June 20 · 12:11:02 AM
"Our hair is our memory. To remember who we are. We are not to cut it all off."

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6. slowbutsure June 19 · 02:01:09 PM
"In the movie “Animal Proof Fence”, there was a scene of a priggish administrator played by Kenneth Branagh ripping Aboriginal children from their parents to go to boarding school for ‘their own good’. (Spoiler alert — the kids slipped away and returned home...)"

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Clark Nova reply to slowbutsure June 19 · 02:29:13 PM
"A true story and the last of those kids died just a week ago. BTW, it’s Rabbit Proof Fence."

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7. Meteor Blades reply to slowbutsure June 19 · 03:08:28 PM
Fantastic movie. I once labeled it “my favorite big-screen movie of American Indians”:

But that’s an Australian movie, you say? Yep. The best film of American Indians is a Down Under 2002 movie about aboriginals without a loin-cloth, smear of war paint or drop of firewater in sight. It’s the story of three young mixed-race girls who find their way home after being ripped away from their parents in 1931 by the government and trained to focus on their “white side” so they can become somebody’s servants. A few critics have complained that this based-on-a-true-story movie goes overboard in demonizing the main white character (Kenneth Branagh) and depicting most other whites of the era as deeply bigoted, morally uncourageous paternalists. What could the director have been thinking?

The American version of Rabbit-Proof Fence has been out there for the telling ever since Thomas Edison showed his “movie” Hopi Snake Dance at the Columbian World Exposition in Chicago in 1893 on the brand-new kinetoscope his staff had developed. It’s the story of how American Indian children were torn from their customs, religions, languages, tribes and parents by demons and paternalists who saw cultural genocide as the proper modern alternative to the centuries-old physical genocide that had become no longer an acceptable course of action. But of all the hundreds of movie Westerns depicting Indians, this story has failed to generate excitement among four or five generations of movie-makers. Instead, the Hollywood Indian has prevailed.

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8. elfling June 19 · 01:14:53 PM
"The picture of the rosaries taken from asylum seekers and migrants, to be tossed in the trash, how did we get here? How can this still be a thing?

Not to mention, their ID, their cellphones, their cash, and their children!!!

That children are being taken from their parents and apparently not even with any records of who goes with whom being kept???"
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Click https://www.newyorker.com/culture/photo-booth/a-janitors-collection-of-things-confiscated-from-migrants-in-the-desert "A Janitor Preserves the Seized Belongings of Migrants"
By Peter C. BakerMarch 12, 2017 for the above mentioned article/photos of rosaries taken from asylum seekers and migrants.

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9. DragonflyInTheSun reply to elfling June 19 · 02:26:30 PM
"I don’t know how to stop it."

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10. TrueBlueMajority reply to DragonflyInTheSun June 19 · 06:26:46 PM
"yes you do

keep talking about it. to everyone.

keep connecting with like minded people who will reassure you you are not crazy.

keep the pressure on elected officials."

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11. Capuchos reply to DragonflyInTheSun June 19 · 01:38:13 PM
"According to John Sandweg, who served as acting director of ICE under the Obama administration from 2013-2014; that is a real possibility:

"You could easily end up in a situation where the gap between a parent's deportation and a child's deportation is years," Sandweg said.

As a result, parents may find themselves back in their home countries struggling to find their children. Many do not have access to legal counsel or understand the U.S. immigration or judicial systems.

Children who stay in the foster system for lengthy periods of time may become wards of the state and finally adopted.

"You could be creating thousands of immigrant orphans in the U.S. that one day could become eligible for citizenship when they are adopted," Sandweg explained.

Sandweg says he has seen permanent separation happen when a parent is deported without his or her child.

Immigration lawyers in the U.S. and Central America say many parent immigrants who have been deported are having a hard time locating their children. The Trump administration's "zero tolerance" policy was announced in April.

Parents are given a paper slip written in English and Spanish that explains they have been charged with a crime for entering the United States illegally and will be separated from their child while they await their court hearing.
www.nbcnews.com/..."

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12. FJA reply to Capuchos June 19 · 02:50:04 PM
"This really messes with kids’ heads. Not just being taken away, but their sense of object constancy in relationships, identity formation. It’s a recipe for Borderline Personality Disorder down the road, which is no fun.

“Children who stay in the foster system for lengthy periods of time may become wards of the state and finally adopted.” Hundred percent — CPS or whomever will say it’s too traumatic for the child to change guardians again to go back to their parents."

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13. maregug DragonflyInTheSun June 19 · 02:50:17 PM
Not only these children, the largely CA kids now in the concentration camps, but a whole generation of NA and FN kids are in a similar position. This tweet* really hit home...the destruction of brown families is ongoing, whether they be asylum seekers, immigrants, indigenous, or black.
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NA= Native Americans [also known as American Indians]
FN= First Nation [Canadian referent for "Native American"/"American Indians"

* This tweet: Julie S. Lalonde
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"Canadians out here, horrified by ICE separating children at the US border but 🤷🏼‍♀️ that Canada has more Indigenous kids in foster care right now than there was in residential schools.

Cool, cool.

5:19 PM - 17 Jun 2018"

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14. Clark Nova June 19 · 03:02:07 PM
"Here in NM, children were still being stolen from Native families (by the BIA) up til the late ‘60’s (the 1960’s, not the 1860’s but you’d hardly know it). They were adopted by / sold to White families only and the Feds pocketed the profits."
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NM = [US state: New Mexico]

BIA= Bureau of Indian Affairs

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15. susan larson reply to Clark Nova June 19 · 05:02:59 PM
"Stopped in 1979. Some sick Howleys"

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16. ramara June 19 · 01:13:13 PM
"It’s still being done, with foster care agencies separating Indian children, and other minority chidren, from their families, and too often with Indian children, illegally from their culture."

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17. grumpelstillchen June 19 · 01:14:33 PM
As per my comment here*, both these “chapters” in US history are de facto acts of genocide according to the definition of said crime by the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

I do not, cannot, will not ever understand why the other member states of the UN have not gone after the US for these clear and unequivocal violations of UN Conventions as perpetrated against American Indians, African Americans, and other Black/Brown peoples in this country.

Now, with this administration most likely to withdraw from any and all alliances with other “civilized” nations, it’s probably too fucking late.

Over the past 20 years, I have learned not to expect a majority of my fellow “Americans” to agree with me on this or to take any action to stop it from happening, so it doesn’t surprise me that it has come to this. But I really expected more from the other so-called “civilized” nations."
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*https://www.dailykos.com/comments/1773305/70486912#comment_70486912

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18. proudliberal4life June 19 · 01:29:53 PM
"We are repeating a horrific historical pattern. This also used to happen with slavery, with families being broken up and sold off to the highest bidder.

This is why we fight. If we allow this to continue, what’s next?"

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19. proudliberal4life June 19 · 02:00:30 PM
"1936 germany"

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Comments About Homosexuality In A YouTube Discussion Thread For A Video Of An Igbo Traditional Dance Group

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post showcases a YouTube video of a contemporary Igbo (Nigeria) traditional dance group: Ofu Obi Cultural Group.

This post also highlights selected comments about homosexuality and comments about other perceptions of contemporary Igbo culture from that at video's discussion thread.

The Addendum to this post documents comments about adding Western musical instruments and dance steps to traditional Igbo music.

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The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to this showcased group, thanks to all those who are quoted in this post, and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
As a reminder, I consider certain comments from online discussion threads to be worthy of archiving and sharing because they document some of the opinions, attitudes, perceptions, and/or customs of a particular society or population.

This compilation isn't meant to imply that these comments are widespread in that society. Also, these comments aren't meant to represent my opinions, attitudes, and/or perceptions about this subject.

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SHOWCASE VIDEO: TOP 10 IGBO CULTURAL DANCE. (OFUOBI CULTURAL DANCE GROUP UDI 2)



UGWUMBA TV, Published on Jun 29, 2017

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SELECTED COMMENTS (with numbers added for referencing purposes only)
1. Ebi Opuengu, 2017
"Are you sure these men are not gay?"

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2. Agus, 2017
"So what? Most importantly they are humans."

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3. John O, 2017
"Ebi Opuengu don't mind them, our Igbo people always want to copy other cultures. I hate obama for bringing this gay sh&t* to Africa"
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This word is fully spelled out in this comment.

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4. chidi micheal, 2017
"what's ur business whom they are? enemies of good things. leave them and their lives. are u God? Mr. judge"

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5. Uche, 2017
"John O sorry? What? Obama brought homosexuality to Africa? Biko come and go...homosexuality was is Africa long before Obama was even born. And you will proudly sit there and say that America has so much influence that their former president affected a whole entire continent. Bye"
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"Obama" here undoubtedly refers to former United States President Barack Obama.

According to http://naijalingo.com/words/b/alphabet "biko" is an Igbo word meaning "please".

My guess is that "Biko come and go" is a Nigerian (Igbo?) saying that means something like "Things that were once standard/acceptable change over time." [Corrections are welcome.]

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6. John O, 2017
"Uche but it’s true that if not for Obama you will not support homosexuality. It’s true."

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7. John O, 2017
"Uche please don't copy white people in everything please, they are savages."

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Uche, 2017
"John O that is the dumbest thing I've heard all day. Like honestly, you should really try to get out more and not base all your facts from facebook posts"

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8. John O, 2017
"Uche I don't have Facebook nne"
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"nne"= Igbo word meaning "sister"

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9. John O, 2017
"Uche homosexuality is not in our culture nne."

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10. olamide orelesi, 2017
"John O my friend please... you’re not thinking straight because homosexuality was in Africa way before Obama even was born. You’re a bad representation of Igbo. You’re making your people look as if they don’t know anything. Obama hasn’t preached anything to Igbo people . He was the president of AMERICA not Nigeria. Focus on the corruption that’s going on there now. You’re worrying about a FORMER president like is it by force ? Come on.. you’re supposed to be a Christian and yet you’re saying death to people who have done nothing to you ? Where did you get the information that England will be Islamic? And even so is that ur wahala ? Come on... this is sad you’re not representing us well at all
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from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahala_(Yoruba)
"Wahala" pronounced (wa-ha-la) is the meaning of (Trouble) or (problem) used by the Yoruba tribe and commonly used throughout Nigeria.

Etymology : A word common in the Yoruba Language of Nigeria."

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11. John O, 2017
"olamide orelesi are you even igbo? If you are can you tell me the word for homosexuality in igbo? How can homosexuality be igbo culture when there is no word for it. There is even a word for it in hausa but not igbo. Why do my people like copying white people soo much? Especially our women. That's why you ladies marry outside ethnicity more that us men. We got to preserve what our ancestors gave us we loosing our language too. I bet you don't speak igbo. Igbo women self with that all your beauties you don't know how to preserve a culture."

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12. Uche, 2017
"John O it's EVERYWHERE! Please stop making igbo people look bad and uneducated on social media. Don't believe me? Look it up.. homosexuality was in Africa way before the USA was factor"

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13. olamide orelesi, 2017
"John O okay I am half Igbo please don’t let my name confuse you. And I didn’t say homosexuality was in the IGBO CULTURE I said it’s in AFRICA . And the funny thing you don’t even know if they’re gay. Like at all. They might just be really sassy or into it. So now you’re just assuming things because someone said something. As a Christian we shouldn’t judge."

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14. Uche, 2017
"Anyways, you don't even know if these guys are even gay sef"
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From http://www.ngex.com/personalities/babawilly/dictionary/pidgins.htm Nigerian Pidgin English Dictionary
"Sef: 1. In particular e.g. You sef. 2. Placed at end of question when irritated or impatient e.g. Wetin sef?"

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15. John O, 2017
"Uche tell me the one word for homosexuality in igbo. There is none. The best you get to literal translation is "men sleeping with men". Why are you attacking me go ask our elders if we practiced this nonsense back in the day. You igbo women get is in trouble especially when yall marry outside our ethnic group."

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16. John O, 2017
"olamide orelesi just leave the protection, security, and preservation of our culture, homeland, and people to us igbo men. Your role is to be our good wives have our babies help us to build igboland and not betray us. Simple

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17. John O, 2017
"Uche i bet you've never been to igboland."

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18. Uche, 2017
"John O of course I have. Have you been out of Nigeria? Anyways, may God bless you and deliver you from stupidity IJN. AMEN."

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19. olamide orelesi, 2017
"John O lmao you’re a fool honestly. I was not made to make babies for a man. I’m made for greatness. My purpose is to serve a man. You’re so stuck in ur ways you’re not even thinking correct like come on. I am going to be a pediatric surgeon by the grace of God so please understand that only a weak man looks for a submissive woman . You can’t handle a real woman who can think for herself. Please go read some books. Simple"

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20. John O, 2017
"Uche I live in Texas and I know that we are loosing our culture and language we don't need to add degenerate things to it nne Biko."

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21. John O, 2017
"olamide orelesi yes you are going to be a pediatric surgeon in jesus amen. But you will be a wife for a igbo man and you will have kids for him and you will be submissive to him. And he will love you. How hard is that? Why do people choose to make live so complicated. Igbo culture is patriarchy."

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22. olamide orelesi, 2017
"John O if it is God’s will for me to marry an Igbo man than so be it but we will work together and have a good marriage . You’re probably one of those men who will beat their wife 🤦🏾‍♀️"

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23. John O
"olamide orelesi i have 2 sisters and a mom. I will never do that to women."

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24. nwa mama, 2017
"Patriarchy is detrimental to the Igbo race. Matriarchy is better all around. Africa use to be matriarchal before Islam and Christianity came to ruin it. Patriarchy comes with rape, pillage, subjugation, psychological problems etc."

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25. John O, 2017
"nwa mama give me prove of this or go back to the kitchen. Igbos was never Islamic. Our culture is patriarchy"

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26. Blvck Pantheress, 2017
"HOMOSEXUALITY is a learned behaviour and a choice. It has never existed in Africa, as you can see there is no native word for homosexuality."

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27. Kik LeBraVo HOOZY, 2018
"😂😂😂😂:

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28. Ikukundu, 2018
"Ebi Opuengu never say such in igbo land. Our men are perfectionists in everything they do that's why you think theyre gay because they do it so well. No theyre not . Thats western"

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29. Grace Thames, 2018
"You seem to be replying a Yoruba woman. OLAMIDE is Yorubaa"

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30. John O, 2018
"Grace Thames yea, why are yorubas in every Igbo videos?"

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31. Jensenbaby, 2018
"Ebi Opuengu stupid irrational comment. It is a particular kind of dance, hence the costume and dance. It has nothing to do with sexuality. Your mind is perverted."

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32. John O, 2017
"why do some of them look gay I do t lime that."

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33. Agus, 2017
"Look, act, are, so what? They are humans like you and me."

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34. nnennem, 2017
"They can look however they want thanks. Keep on stepping, you must be gay too, it takes one to know one."

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35. chidi micheal
"+John O
I love their dance. it is not easy"

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36. chidi micheal
"John John O, does it mean there is no gay in Africa or precise Nigeria? Jesus Christ came for the sinners not the righteous.
What those guys displaying is part of female dance and u can't dance it without twisting ur West like female. sometimes males can dance it better than females. But, professional females dance it best.
in Igbo land Imo, Abia, Rivers, Anambra, Ebony, etc have different ways of cultural dance. In IMO, each village have different ways of dancing too. such as Bungo, Atiluokwu, etc. i can't point hands on them if they are gay or not. even if they are. is not my business. gay exist everywhere. is a choice or life style people found themselves. allow God to judge. in the God's site, they may be better than u. learn how to accommodate people, no human is perfect. we all pray to God to lead urs and have Marcy on us regardless of our ups and downs. I love their Igbo dance. Igbos are unique in all ramifications. even they are been marginalized, humiliated and suppressed. But one thing some people don't understand is that u can't hide light. that is why Igbos need independent to show the world what they have. I believe God it shall come to pass someday. all hail Biafra. I love Biafrans. John is an English name and o stand for what? are u really an Igbo Guy? than display ur really name. if u are, then who made a judge over ur people. a real man doesn't cast a stone in his family. God forbid, I can't castigate my real Biafrans (Igbo) brothers and sisters in a public. it is a taboo. examine urself john"

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37. Jessy Amazing, 2017
"John O please guys stop this I know this group dancers they from my village they are not gal they are just dancers"

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38. luke god, 2018
"john 0. how do you look ? does their look affects their career? you are a dream killer if you dont like the dancers and their music."

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39. luke god, 2018
"even if they are gay is no one business cos i know they never ask anyone for gay sex"

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40. luke god, 2018
"whats your business with gays answer me?"

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41. John O, 2018
"luke god bia nwokem calm down. Igbo remains Igbo no matter what you say."

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42. coco sandy, 2017
"In simple English can someone tell me y this men look like women?"

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43. Jessy Amazing, 2017
"coco sandy because there are dancers"

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44. John O, 2018
"coco sandy exactly"

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45. Eli Ash, 2018
"Because the dance is supposed to make them look like girls, but dance like men"

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46. Yaa Moremi Queen, 2018
"coco sandy how"

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47. Lord of Lords, 2018
"coco sandy , because, you have to be beautiful in order to attract people while you dance skillfully like a man which you are."

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48. SylviasWorld, 2017
"I enjoyed this but I've noticed a lot of Igbo male dancers are quite feminine or 'camp' and these ones especially the first of the ones in blue (30.25)even have lipstick on. Why is this? I'm Igbo myself but I've recently noticed this."

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49. nnennem, 2017
"SylviasWorld then you don't know your culture at all. I ma igbo asu, ka m jugodi ajuju"

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50. SylviasWorld, 2017
"nnennem what is cultural about men in Igboland wearing lipstick or being effeminate? Since you claim I don't know my culture then you can explain. Its a handful of effeminate guys here, the rest are not and all the same it's a great dance.The only time I am aware of Igbo men purposely presenting as women us with Adamma masquerade."

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51. simplyuneeke, 2018
"Thats because you are viewing it from an European aspect. Dance is art, there is no masculine or feminine in the igbo dance steps or attire. When we decided to dance this way we didnt say this makes you feminine so dance this way no, every igbo man or woman dance with their whole body including waist and dress same if not similar when dancing."

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52. Eva Odum, 2018
"Since I was a kid seeing effeminate men as well a masculine men dancing beautifully has always been a cultural thing."

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53. ifeoma okonkwo, 2018
"Wait why are dey on lipstick and eyeshadow"

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54. kizzylegend michael, 2018
"i love our space teeth nd smiling when danceing
maybe dats y people says dat der are gay"

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55. kizzylegend michael, 2018
"igbo boys re too cute even without makeups"

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56. luke god, 2018
"so much energy on this boys love the dance so much for those that complain about lips stick or feminine do not watch them if you dont like them they do what they know how to do so keep your comments if you dont know what to say thanks very much UDI cultural dance."

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I also found the comments about the inclusion of Western musical instruments and/or dance steps in this performance to be interesting.

Here are all of the comments [as of this date] about those subjects from that same discussion thread (with numbers added for referencing purposes)
1. Douglas Nosike Ibekeme, 2017
"I hate it when typical igbo songs are played with piano or guitar. It irritates me to the highest. Let's keep it raw like it used to be.
I love our culture."

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2. ifeoma okonkwo, 2018
"Douglas Nosike Ibekeme me too, it's takes away the originality"

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3. sodiari ubani, 2017
"14:14 When you mix modern dance into your cultural one ( Guy with the blue head band to the left)"

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4. rotawo, 2018
"well his a dancer, thats his job, he probably does hiphop on the side"

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5. sodiari ubani, 2018
"yep, and that's why he is lit.
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“lit” = African American Vernacular English word meaning "very good"

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E O, 2018, 2018
"Lol the piano sounds so bad with the music"

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3Ebere Eze, 2018
"If the igbo people can produce ngelenge which is from a tree found in igbo land, all igbo children will be happy. Stop using gitar, IT is not part of igbo culture."

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Stop This Inhumane Zero Tolerance Policy Of Forced Child Separation From Parents/Caretakers At The United States Border!!

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post presents information and commentary about the forced separation of children from their parents or caretakers who are fleeing violence in their home countries and seeking asylum in the United States.

The content of this post is presented for historical and political purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are striving to change this inhumane policy. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post.

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ARTICLES AND SELECTED COMMENTS
#1. Full article with selected comments:
From https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/17/1772681/--The-child-started-screaming-and-vomiting-and-crying-hysterically-the-effects-of-Trump-s-new-policy
"The child started screaming and vomiting and crying hysterically'–the effects of Trump's new policy

Hunter
Daily Kos Staff
Sunday June 17, 2018 · 2:09 PM EDT
"The Texas Monthly has an important interview with Anne Chandler, of the Children's Border Project, describing not only the legal manipulations the Trump administration used to launch their new policy of child separation at the border, but the immediate effects. And the effects of what is happening are horrific. Read it. https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/whats-really-happening-asylum-seeking-families-separated/

That’s one we see again and again. “Your child needs to come with me for a bath.” The child goes off, and in a half an hour, twenty minutes, the parent inquires, “Where is my five-year-old?” “Where’s my seven-year-old?” “This is a long bath.” And they say, “You won’t be seeing your child again.” Sometimes mothers—I was talking to one mother, and she said, “Don’t take my child away,” and the child started screaming and vomiting and crying hysterically, and she asked the officers, “Can I at least have five minutes to console her?” They said no.

The scarring from these separations is going to be lifelong, which makes it urgent that the policy be ended immediately. And despite White House spin–even this administration is fully aware of how monstrous the policy makes them look, and has been furiously trying to shift blame elsewhere–the policy was carefully crafted by Jeff Sessions and the White House to get around current laws and international treaties protecting the refugees.

Many of them then look for Border Patrol to turn themselves in, because they know they’re going to ask for asylum. And under this government theory—you know, in the past, we’ve had international treaties, right? Statutes which codified the right of asylum seekers to ask for asylum. Right? Article 31 of the Refugee Convention clearly says that it is improper for any state to use criminal laws that could deter asylum seekers as long as that asylum seeker is asking for asylum within a reasonable amount of time.

Under international law, asylum seekers may present themselves at the border and the nation is obliged to consider that request. But the administration is both slow-walking asylum requests at legal points of entry and prosecuting asylum-seekers who present themselves to Border Patrol agents anywhere else along the border–using the misdemeanor crime of undocumented entry to imprison those refugee parents, then declaring their children to be "unaccompanied" due to that imprisonment and placing them in detention camps. And there's no assurance that the children thus stripped from their parents will be returned, period. It is cheap regulatory flam-flam meant to provide cover for a willful–and White House admitted–policy of traumatizing children for the sake of "deterring" future refugees, and it is an international human rights crime.

It is unforgivable, and not a single official implementing these policies should be allowed to work in government ever again. From senator to ICE officer to mewing pundit defending child separation as mechanism for frightening future refugees into choosing some nation other than America or for extracting anti-immigrant "concessions" from administration opponents, we cannot claim to be a decent nation unless we purge every enabler of human rights abuses from our national ranks, and permanently. We are not a fascist country; we will not go down that odious path so willingly."

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Selected comments from this Daily Kos article, with numbers added for referencing purposes only:
1. Lomakatsi June 17 · 04:33:41 PM
"Trump and his lackeys, elected and otherwise, are architects of this atrocity, no question. But all Americans will own it if we do not stand strongly enough against it to end it."

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2. Carolla June 17 · 04:27:11 PM
..."Why would these immigrants think, even imagine, the United States of America, given the principles it has long upheld, would suddenly have turned its back on international law and protections for asylum seekers? What we are doing is beyond cruel."

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3. formerlyMartha reply to Brubs June 17 · 06:11:32 PM
"I’m sorry. It’s NOT new to us. We did this to slaves; we did this to Native Americans. Less onerously, we did it to the Japanese."

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4. nomandates June 17 · 03:57:18 PM
[quoting tweets in response to a commenter writing that he didn't believe the story about children being separated from their parents/caretakers by telling those parents/caretakers that the children were being taken to get baths.]
Kumail Nanjiani

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There are going to be people, many people, who will be able to justify separating children from their families. They’ll say the words they need to say to justify it. Forget those people. Those people are hopeless. We have to rally and motivate everyone else. Appeal to humanity.

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The biggest defense they have is that what they are doing is so horrific that you look like a fool talking about it. It’s beyond the pale. It’s easy to dismiss because how could it really be this bad?

It is. It’s that bad. We cannot be the good Germans.

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I don’t know what to do. Evil is being done right now and we are afraid to get too loud. This moment in time will define us for generations.

And people will say I am being dramatic. And I say: you are part of the problem.

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5. Amaze June 17 · 05:31:54 PM
"I remember traveling through JFK airport right after the 1st World Trade Centre attack with my then 3 yr old daughter. Going through customs and immigration at the airport was terrifying. My daughter was so frightened she screamed and had a complete hysterical breakdown at the whole intimidating atmosphere created by all the grim armed guards and the rottweilers and german shepherds who were loose and roaming amongst all the passengers in the customs hall — and we are dog lovers… And I was holding her all of the time — unlike these poor children not even allowed to be touched and comforted in their abject terror .

I’m still traumatized by this experience, so I can’t even begin to imagine the abject terror of these families and their children ripped from them in such calculated, cold, cruel and un-necessary actions.

I can’t begin to imagine what these families are escaping from to come to the USA nor what their terrifying journeys have been like before they are then separated at the boarder and incarcerated…..

This is EVIL.

This MUST be stooped — NOW."

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6. Carolla Amaze June 17 · 05:44:58 PM
"I agree. I am a former psychotherapist and specialized in working with adults traumatized as children. I am a survivor myself, both of childhood and adult trauma. My heart wrenches and stomach wretches at the thought of the utter terror these children are experiencing and the impact it will have on them for the rest of their lives. It is so, so horrific. I think of the words on the Statue of Liberty, words which brought tears to my eyes when I first heard them, young and idealistic, because I believed they represented the beating heart of America, like a calling to be there for others. America, the land of immigrants, of hope. This separation policy is so shocking, so shameful. It sickens me."

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From https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2018/6/feinstein-colleagues-introduce-legislation-to-halt-separation-of-immigrant-families Feinstein, Colleagues Introduce Legislation to Halt Separation of Immigrant Families
Jun 08 2018
"Washington—Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and 31 of her colleagues have introduced legislation to keep immigrant families together by preventing the Department of Homeland Security from taking children from their parents at the border.

The Keep Families Together Act was developed in consultation with child welfare experts to ensure the federal government is acting in the best interest of children. The bill is supported by the American Academy of Pediatrics, Kids In Need of Defense (KIND), Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles (CHIRLA), Children’s Law Center, Young Center for Immigrant Rights and the Women's Refugee Commission.

[Update June 18, 2018 7:32 PM- This bill is co-sponsored by all United States Democratic Senators, but to date, there's not a single Republican Senator co-sponsor.]

“The United States must not be a country that traumatizes young children by separating them from their parents. Young children have been taken from their parents’ arms and federal law enforcement hasn’t given parents even the most basic information about their children’s whereabouts,” Feinstein said. “Congress has a moral obligation to take a stand and say that families should not be forcibly separated. Many of these families are fleeing terrible violence, traveling thousands of miles on foot for the chance to file an asylum claim and save their lives. To traumatize them further is unconscionable, and I hope that our Republican colleagues will work with us to put an end to this immoral policy.”

“Let me be clear: there is no law requiring this Administration to separate children from their parents—Attorney General Sessions and Secretary Nielsen are choosing to tear families apart to intimidate those who are lawfully seeking asylum in our country. It’s extreme, heartbreaking, un-American, and has to stop,” said Durbin.

“Separating children from their parents is both cruel and immoral,” said Bennet. “These families are fleeing violence and instability and leaving their homes in search of safety and security. The administration’s inhumane separation policy exacerbates the trauma these children and their parents face. It also does nothing to make us safer and violates what we stand for as a country. Congress must take a stand and end this policy immediately.”

“These children are being ripped from the arms of their parents for one reason: to terrorize them,” said Blumenthal. “This policy is deeply cruel and fundamentally antithetical to our values, as Americans and as decent human beings. Congress cannot stand idly by – we must stand up against this senseless, punishing policy.”

“Matthew 25 calls to care for the least among us, including welcoming strangers in our land. This administration, however, is callously choosing to enforce a policy that not only targets vulnerable migrants who are fleeing unspeakable violence in their home countries, but also inflicts further trauma by separating children from their parents,” said Carper. “This is a completely unacceptable policy in any nation, let alone one that has, for centuries, led the world by example. It is unprecedented, it is cruel, it is entirely unnecessary and it must stop. The legislation I have introduced with my House and Senate colleagues would keep families from being needlessly ripped apart, which is, without a question, the right and humane thing to do.”

“This administration’s policy of separating children and parents at the border speaks of their inhumanity and does not reflect our values as a nation,” said Cortez Masto. “Most of these families are fleeing extreme violence and come here because their lives are threatened. I urge my colleagues to act now and support this legislation. Congress cannot stand idly by while an overwhelming number of children stay in crowded detention facilities and their parents are left in the dark as to their whereabouts and wellbeing.”

“Ripping children from the arms of their parents is not border security,” said Harris. “Our government should keep families together not tear them apart. This policy can result in lasting trauma for those children and their parents. We can keep America safe without being callous.”

“My mom brought my brother and me to this country when I was only seven years old. All of our possessions were packed into a single suitcase and we shared a single room. But at least we had each other,” Hirono said. “The Trump administration’s new policy of separating immigrant children from their families is reprehensible and unconscionable. This bill stops ICE from taking this unnecessary and cruel action.”

“The Trump Administration’s policies trample on American values by tearing families apart and demonizing people seeking refuge,” Kaine said. “This bill is an effort to protect kids from unnecessary harm by keeping families together and putting in place safeguards for children who have been separated from their parents.”

“America cannot just live by its national values when convenient – it has to be a full-time commitment,” said King. “The DHS policy that purposely separates children from their parents falls far short of our principles, and it should be stopped immediately.”

“There is simply no way sanitize the cruelty of the Trump Administration’s policy of forcibly separating families at the border,” said Leahy. “The anguish we are inflicting is evident in the story of each parent who is losing a child — parents who often are fleeing indescribable violence in their home counties. Americans must stand together in condemning family separation, and I am proud to support this legislation to put a stop to it.”

“We are not going to stand by as the Trump Administration continues to find ways to forcibly separate immigrant families from seeking refuge in our country – pulling a child from a mother seeking asylum in our country is wrong,” said Menendez. “We have a responsibility to ensure children and families are able to apply for asylum, trafficking protection and other specialized forms of relief without the paralyzing fear of being separated and shipped off to different facilities across the country. Only in the Trump era would forcibly tearing children away from their parents be considered an acceptable policy to uphold our values as a nation of immigrants. This is shameful, un-American and must stop.”

“This administration is choosing to use the suffering of children and families as political leverage. Let’s not go any further,” said Schatz. “Every single member of Congress should be on this bill, because every single member should be against separating children from their parents. It is inhumane, immoral, and un-American.”

“Separating children from their parents at the border, many of them coming here desperate to escape the terrible violence in their countries, is a policy that is directly at odds with the fundamental values of this nation,” said Warner. “This unprecedented and inhumane practice has been condemned by the U.N., is not rooted in any law, and could end today should President Trump choose to do so. Instead, the president has used this new policy to terrorize innocent families as a means of deterring those who are legally seeking asylum in our country. In the absence of moral leadership from the White House, Congress should make it clear that the United States of America will continue to stand proud as a country welcoming of those seeking refuge from violence, poverty, and prejudice.

“Because of President Trump’s cruel immigration agenda, children are being torn out of the arms of their mothers,” said Warren. “Many of these families are fleeing persecution and violence, and seeking refuge in our borders. Ripping families apart is immoral and un-American. I’m glad to work with Senator Feinstein to put a stop to this dangerous Administration policy.”

“The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) urges an immediate end to the policy that separates children from their parents at the border. Separating children from their parents contradicts everything we stand for as pediatricians – protecting and promoting children’s health. We know that highly-stressful experiences, like family separation, can cause irreparable harm to children’s health, disrupting their brain architecture and affecting short- and long-term health. The Keep Families Together Act takes important steps forward to protect families, and the AAP thanks Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) for her leadership on this issue,” said American Academy of Pediatrics President Colleen Kraft MD, MBA, FAAP.

On May 7, 2018, Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced that all adults who arrive at the border would be prosecuted for illegal entry, even if they attempt to seek asylum. This policy, which has never before been pursued, has resulted in parents being separated from their children.

Prosecuting individuals who are seeking asylum may also violate the United States’ obligations under international law, including the U.N. convention on refugees and its Protocol.

At a May 24, 2018, Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Customs and Border Protection informed Senator Feinstein that 658 children were taken from 638 parents during a 14-day period in May, an average of 47 children being taken from their parents each day.

To ensure the bill protects the welfare of children, it allows children to be separated from their parents only in the event they are being trafficked or abused by their parents. To provide an additional layer of protection, the bill provides for an immediate review by a superior upon the recommendation to separate, and only after consultation with a child welfare expert."....

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From http://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/laura-bush-demolishes-trump/10885/ Former First Lady Laura Bush demolishes Donald Trump
Bill Palmer | 11:01 pm EDT June 17, 2018
..."Laura Bush is calling out Donald Trump for forcibly separating immigrant kids from their parents and placing them in shoddy housing ranging from a former Walmart to tent cities, calling it “cruel” and “immoral.” She’s comparing Donald Trump’s treatment of immigrant children to the Japanese internment camps of World War II, which she refers to as “one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history.”

Mrs. Bush said this of the inhumane conditions: “while there were beds, toys, crayons, a playground and diaper changes, the people working at the shelter had been instructed not to pick up or touch the children to comfort them. Imagine not being able to pick up a child who is not yet out of diapers.” She also added that “If we are truly that country, then it is our obligation to reunite these detained children with their parents — and to stop separating parents and children in the first place.”

Donald Trump has admitted that he’s been rounding up the immigrant kids so he can use them as a bargaining chip to try to force Congress to cave to the rest of his failed legislative agenda. It’s becoming more clear by the day that he severely miscalculated. Instead of working as leverage in his favor, the immigrant child concentration camps have become a nationwide rallying cry against him."...

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From https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/17/1772618/-Child-Internment-may-soon-become-the-worst-American-atrocity-in-a-Century Child Internment may soon become the worst American atrocity in a Century

Frank Vyan Walton
Community
Sunday June 17, 2018 · 11:04 AM EDT
"We thought America had grown into a country that was no longer capable of inhumane atrocities. We thought that events such as the Trail of Tears where U.S. States and Presidents implemented a forced migration of nearly 120,000 native Americans whose lands were then given to white farmers which subjected thousands to diseases such as whooping cough, typhus, dysentery, cholera and, starvation which killed between 5,000-8,500 along the journey. We never thought we’d ever see anything like the Tuskegee Experiment where 600 African-American men were given placebos instead of penicillin for their diagnosis of syphilis in order to track the progress of the disease from blindness to insanity and ultimately their death. We never thought we’d ever commit another atrocity like the forced internment of Japanese Americans during WWII which took 117,000 people, most of whom were American citizens, out of their homes, confiscated their property and held them in captivity for years.

Now, today, in 21st Century America our government is constructing tent cities on U.S. Military property in order to house the children of immigrants who have been forcibly separated from their parents as they crossed the border, regardless of whether they did so legally or not.

If that seems hyperbolic, I frankly believe it’s probably an understatement of how devastating and deadly this situation could possibly become.

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We know that as opposed to the unaccompanied minors who tend to spend an average of 41 days in these facilities the newly separating children are traumatized and unruly and the length of their potential stays are indeterminate while their parents work their way through the justice system and may ultimately be deported without them.

There is no way that these Tent Cities, which are being erected in the middles of the Texas summer, are going to be better handled and safer environments for these children than the HHS centers.

On top of being emotionally scarred, these kids are going to quickly be a severe risk for health conditions. Some of them, I would suspect far more than 14% among the 12,000 that are currently in custody are likely to be seriously harmed or die— which is about 1,640 just slightly higher than the 1,500 of kids they’ve already “lost” — under these overcrowded and harsh conditions.

Again, I don’t think that’s hyperbolic. I think it’s quite deliberate. The Trumpsters are trying to create “maximum pain” and discomfort and then dump the blame for all of this magically into the laps of Democrats either to force them to commit to funding Trump’s wall and/or to hammer over their heads leading into the 2018 mid-terms.

It’s a cold, calculated political act using the lives and health of children as bargaining chips in a larger game of “chicken.”

The fact that we haven’t already seen massive, deafening demonstrations in protest of this callous cruelty against children is a national disgrace.

We thought we were better than this but obviously, we are not. We thought America was better than this but obviously, it is not.

Not until we stand up and make it better. Not until we stand up and refuse to let America fall yet again down this dark rabbit hole. We have to speak up, we have to defend the defenseless, and push back hard on the lies and deception of the Trumpsters.

This was their choice, we have to rise up and take that choice away from them because they clearly can't be trusted."

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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-border-immigrant-families_us_5b272986e4b0f9178a9e5945 06/18/2018 T
Dems Beg GOP For Help Stopping Immigrant Family Separations
Lawmakers traveled to the Rio Grande Valley on Father’s Day to call for a policy change.
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By Elise Foley
"BROWNSVILLE, Texas ― Eight Democratic lawmakers visited the Rio Grande Valley on Sunday to try one of their only options for fighting President Donald Trump’s policy of separating families at the border: Speak out and hope their Republican colleagues pay attention.

Trump could single-handedly end the practice of splitting up families at the border, but Democrats have little hope he will halt a policy that he thinks will deter unauthorized immigration and win him leverage for a border wall and a broader immigration crackdown. And Republicans in Congress have done little to pressure the president to change his mind.

That means that until Democrats control the House or Senate, all they can do is raise hell.

“If we can build the public pressure, then maybe [House Speaker] Paul Ryan will rediscover his spine,” Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wis.) said after touring a facility holding children apprehended at the border, some of whom were separated from their parents. “That’s something that we’re going to work on. But for the time being, we’re going to have to endure this terrible policy and make sure that the kids aren’t terribly scarred [by] it.” "...

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Horace Silver Quintet - "Song For My Father" (Jazz composition video with selected comments)

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This pancocojams post presents information about American Jazz musician Horace Silver and showcases his composition "Song For My Father".

The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

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Thanks to Horace Silver and his accompanying musicians for their musical legacy and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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And, to quote a comment by Anna Fisher, 2017 from the discussion thread of this showcased video:
"Happy Father's Day, fathers and also to the mothers who take on both roles. Blessings always! One love <3" **** INFORMATION ABOUT HORACE SILVER From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Silver
"Horace Ward Martin Tavares Silver (September 2, 1928 – June 18, 2014) was an American jazz pianist, composer, and arranger, particularly in the hard bop style that he helped pioneer in the 1950s.

After playing tenor saxophone and piano at school in Connecticut, Silver got his break on piano when his trio was recruited by Stan Getz in 1950. Silver soon moved to New York City, where he developed a reputation as a composer and for his bluesy playing. Frequent sideman recordings in the mid-1950s helped further, but it was his work with the Jazz Messengers, co-led by Art Blakey, that brought both his writing and playing most attention. Their Horace Silver and the Jazz Messengers album contained Silver's first hit, "The Preacher". After leaving Blakey in 1956, Silver formed his own quintet, with what became the standard small group line-up of tenor saxophone, trumpet, piano, bass, and drums. Their public performances and frequent recordings for Blue Note Records increased Silver's popularity, even through changes of personnel. His most successful album was Song for My Father, made with two iterations of the quintet in 1963 and 1964.

Several changes occurred in the early 1970s: Silver disbanded his group to spend more time with his wife and to concentrate on composing; he included lyrics in his recordings; and his interest in spiritualism developed. The last two of these were often combined, resulting in commercially unsuccessful releases such as The United States of Mind series. Silver left Blue Note after 28 years, founded his own record label, and scaled back his touring in the 1980s, relying in part on royalties from his compositions for income. In 1993, he returned to major record labels, releasing five albums before gradually withdrawing from public view because of health problems.

As a player, Silver transitioned from bebop to hard bop by stressing melody rather than complex harmony, and combined clean and often humorous right-hand lines with darker notes and chords in a near-perpetual left-hand rumble. His compositions similarly emphasized catchy melodies, but often also contained dissonant harmonies. Many of his varied repertoire of songs, including "Doodlin'", "Peace", and "Sister Sadie", became jazz standards that are still widely played. His considerable legacy encompasses his influence on other pianists and composers, and the development of young jazz talents who appeared in his bands over the course of four decades.

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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Horace Silver Quintet - Song For My Father



ukvibeorg, Published on Apr 9, 2012

Recorded live in Copenhagen, Denmark, April 1968. Song for My Father was recorded in October 1964 and released on the Blue Note label. The album was inspired by a trip that Silver had made to Brazil. The cover artwork features a photograph of Silver's father, John Tavares Silva, to whom the title song was dedicated. "My mother was of Irish and Negro descent, my father of Portuguese origin", Silver recalls in the liner notes, "He was born on the island of Maio, one of the Cape Verde Islands." The album line-up differs from the Copenhagen musicians here.
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Selected comments from this video's discussion thread (with numbers added for referencing purposes only)
1. ukvibeorg, 2012
"One of the best pieces of modal jazz. Thanks for the words."

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2. Burney Warren, 2013
"incredible song and performance... one of my favorites. thanks for sharing with us."

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3. king7allah, 2013
"OMG Horace is the MAN!!!!!"

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4. Chuck M, 2013
"So beautiful, wonderful and soulful."

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5. bela varga, 2013
"My absolute favorite jazz standard. Amazing!"

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6. michael morphites, 2013
"who is the guy on sax here please? i much prefer junior cook and henderson to this chap. is it maupin? still a blistering performance from all involved. thanks."

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7. ukvibeorg, 2013
"Yes indeed it was Bennie Maupin on tenor sax. Bill Hardman trumpet, Johnny Williams bass and Billy Cobham drums."

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8. John Sund, 2013
"Great stuff. The end part of Maupin's solo becomes especially imaginative - but these guys just give 100% - beautiful playing!"

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9. Brendan Blosser-McGinnis, 2013
"That drummer is feelin it"

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10. Victor Vazquez, 2013
"Wikipedia Notes:Jazz standard, "Song for My Father" original form. Bossa Nova F-minor w/ an AAB head, w/a trumpet & tenor sax play in harmony. Song's noticeable impact in pop music: Opening bass piano notes borrowed by Steely Dan for "Rikki Don't Lose That Number",: Opening horn riff borrowed by Stevie Wonder for "Don't You Worry 'Bout a Thing". Earth Wind & Fire borrowed opening bass notes for "Clover". Paull Weller noted he 'nicked 'the chords The Style Council's 1984 'Me Ship Came In'"

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11. R D JAZZBOY, 2013
"Absolutely brilliant! better than the album recording."

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12. richardvilseck, 2013
"Too fast."

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13. R D JAZZBOY, 2013
"+richardvilseck
Well, it is faster, but it still swings like crazy so I don't have a problem. If you want to hear a classic that is way to fast in live performance, check out Take Five, live at Carnegie Hall. St. Germain actually used the intro as a sample for their Tourist album."

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14. Lumina Pacifica, 2013
"RIP Horace Silver. He was a dear friend for over 34 years and one of the most enlightened and gifted souls on this planet. This man and his music, that poured from the depth of his heart, deserve to be celebrated."

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15. Theo Connell, 2013
"Wow, what a tremendous version. Horace, RIP! Great composer, band leader, player."

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16. a oneiill, 2014
"just simply, purely, wonderful, inspired, definitive and timeless"

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17. Ed Macomber, 2014
"Share many fond memories of Horace, and fortunate enough to know Roger Humphries, one of Horace's classic drummers. I get a kick out of watching a left handed drummer handle his kit. This is superb, thanks."

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18. lifesoboring1, 2014
"This has to be one of the liveliest, coolest jazz numbers I have heard."

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19. Todd From Work, 2014
"If musicians were compensated on skill alone, these men would be billionaires."

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20. MrMusicguyma, 2014
"I'm not primarily a jazzer, but I am an "appreciator" of any music with guts and soul. This song has always appealed to me, along with Cannonball Adderly's stuff, Sonny Rollins "St Thomas" et al. It seems to me that when bop took a left turn from singable melodies and dance tempos, to create music for solely for "musicians", Jazz cut off its nose to spite its face, and it has never regained popular appeal. I hear that today less than 1% of public buys jazz, that is a pity. America's non-commercial musics are often the most heartfelt, I find. I'd like to see jazz increase in our public consciousness."

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21. Gil Daniel, 2018
"MrMusicguyma as (somewhat of) a musician I find the fact that there's a whole genre dedicated to my "kind" very interesting. This "musician's music" been very important for my improvement and also, most of the time, quite fun listening.
Also I dont think it's strictly for musicians, just because it's sometimes not too melodic doesn't mean the "average" man cannot understand it. I give much credit to non-musicians... They can appreciate the more "hard core" jazz no less then any pro."

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22. Barakx8, 2014
"Well, it DOES get better, but this is right up there with the best!"

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23. The World As It Is, 2014
"Love this version! It is so masterful!"

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24. Jim Neely, 2014
"Horace Silver the legend... this recording "Song for My Father" was the essential tune for
all jazz enthusiasts in the late 60's and beyond. This video shows Mr. Silver's actual sweat
falling on the piano keys. Silver's intensity while playing was unmatched. IT DOES NOT GET BETTER THAN THIS!!"

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25. makjazz7, 2014
"ohhhh my gosh....he's a beaat"

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26. Intoxicholic, 2014
"Does anyone know if the old Portuguese folk music they're talking about is somewhere online? Probably not. Worth a question anyway I guess."

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27. Bill Weiner, 2014
"+Intoxicholic Check out Portuguese Fado music. Has a lot in common feeling with jazz and blues roots. Sensuous."

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28. Intoxicholic, 2016
"+Bill Weiner Thanks, will do."

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29. caponsacchi, 2016
"This rigid riff is to Horace what "C-Jam Blues" is to Duke, a lesser tune useful in an introduction to playing jazz class. Duke's tune invites more freedom, swing and soul. Hardman's solo is the highlight of Horace's authoritarian, restrictive drill, making the most of it. Maupin the Oedipal son who overthrows it."

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30. tom knoll, 2016
"One of my favorite pianists...the man, the legend...and one of his best songs...brilliant..."

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31. Don Stanford, 2016
"This has got to be the badist (how ever you spell it) video I've ever seen. That's what you call jamming."

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32. Reiner Tarzan, 2016
"Theis must be one of the juwels of jazz history. What a genius , Horace Silver. Incredible how he aligns about twenty
variations on the tune, none like the other, all unique!"

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33. Willie Jordan, 2016
"I never get tired of hearing this. I particularly like the trumpet solo from Bill Hardman. He was just another in a very long list of underappreciated talents. But he could blow with the best of 'em. I'd put him against Freddie Hubbard, Lee Morgan, Booker Little, and Donald Byrd any ol' day of the week and feel fairly certain that he'd come out on top. No one could outplay him."

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34. Zapatogrande, 2016
"Whew! Man when they kick it into the double time during the piano solo, this thing smokes and takes off even more so - Cobham is on fire. As I listen to this it is approximately 49 years after the concert was recorded and it just sound so good! Who cares if it's in black and white - we get it, ¿no? Dig the comping behind the trumpet and tenor solos - pushed the rhythm even more so.

The double time behind Mr. Maupin seems to push him even more so and then there is the almost out of time reflection towards the end of his solo , which then segues into a fast 4/4 exposition of the tune for a bit, while Mr. Silver lays out for a bit -WOW what a wonderful treatment of the song overall, just going where someone would not expect it to go.

And just when you thought that they were finished. Mr.Silver rides it out for some more - wonderful group empathy all over. It lives in this modern day and time as a very unique treatment by the composer."

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35. RealBro, 2017
"Thank God the Europeans recorded a lot of jazz musicians! We are fortunate to have this treasure trove of live performances when these geniuses were in their stride...."

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36. Willie Jordan, 2017
"If it's possible this live version improves on the recorded version because of the trumpet solo (there is no trumpet solo on the recorded version) by Bill Hardman. His solo is a play over-and-over again piece of music!"

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37. Gene Trujillo, 2018
"With a left hand like that you hardly need a rhythm section! You have to love someone who literally drips sweat when they play. What a beast!"

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38. mpar91, 2018
"Genuine masterpiece...I also play in tribute to my Father, Granfathers, and Great Grandfathers. Much respect to the Legendary Horace Silver. Rest In Peace and Power to the artist and them all.🙏"

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39. Jim Brown, 2018
"I got to hear Horace's quintets a couple of times, first in around 1961, again 10-15 years later. He played with an energy I've heard matched only by McCoy Tyner. Contrary to what you might have heard, THEY were the hardest working men in show biz! The ensemble playing is pretty ragged here as compared to what they sounded like on a good night, but Horace sounds great!"

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40. Charles Duckett Jr., 2018
"My one time to see Horace live was at Fat Tuesday's in NYC, maybe 1990?? The band was super pro & tight. They seemed relaxed but played with complete precision on every tune. Solos were fairly short but burning. Oops, I just remembered that I saw Horace play trio one time too, at the Village Gate I think."

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41. Garvey Pollard, 2018
"i love cobham but its hard to beat roger humphries' drums on the album. some of the best drums ever played..ever."

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42. M. M., 2018
"Great to watch this and especially to see a very young Billy Cobham-- interesting to see him playing fluidly on a ride cymbal to his left with his left hand--- I saw him years after Mahavishnu literally from directly above, amazing seat huh, in a medium sized club that had a full surround balcony so you could actually sit above and behind and still see the band, he was much more right hand dominant then doing a lot of his ride work with his right hand - he also dropped a lot of sticks!! which actually made me feel good --- I'm a drummer and it always freaked me out when I'd drop a stick,,,, but not anymore."

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43. Charles Duckett Jr., 2018
"Horace quotes the Wes Montgomery tune "Road Song" in his solo at 4:08. Intentional? Subliminal? It is a simple lick, possibly random. I doubt that though. Horace knew Wes. Helped put Wes on the "map" when he sat in with Horace's group and blew people away. Not sure what year, I would guess late 50's."

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44. Umohibom Ette, 2018
"Hard bop at it’s finest. Much love."

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45. Ewerb7, 2018
"Just wonderful! Great playing all around. Classic footage of a wonderful performance. God, how I love jazz!"

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46. richard von schiltz, 2018
"It is most wonderful for a musician of very high caliber to give honor to his father. Loving one's father and announcing that publicly for Horace speaks volumes to me. Thank you! This is also one of my favorite pieces that Silver so beautifully portrays."

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