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Thursday, February 2, 2023

Viral Animated Video Of Former President Obama, Former President Clinton, Samuel L. Jackson, & Rev. Al Sharpton Doing The Cupid Shuffle



Aubrey Fisher, Dec. 7, 2022
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This is a clip of one of the short YouTube video series that begins with "Obama and others" doing the Cupid Shuffle.
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Statistics as of Feb. 2, 2023 as of 12:48 PM ET
Total # of views -1,699,094

Total # of comments - 3,899
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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams showcases a short animated video skit of former President Obama, Former President Clinton, civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton, and actor Samuel L. Jackson portrayed as bobblehead dolls doing the Cupid Shuffle dance.

Information about the Cupid Shuffle is included in this post along with selected comments from this video's discussion thread are included in this post.

The content of this post is presented for entertainment, linguistics, and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to 
Aubrey Fisher, the creator and publisher* of this video. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.  
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Several commenters thanked Aubrey Fisher by name for creating this video.

Aubrey Fisher wrote that someone had republished this video. That person's name isn't known as of the time of this publication. Also, if I correctly understand some of these comments, the original video was slightly different from the video that is showcased above.

Please share information if you know anything about that original animated video and who republished it. Thanks!

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INFORMATION ABOUT THE CUPID SHUFFLE
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupid_Shuffle
" "Cupid Shuffle" is a song by Cupid from his 2007 studio album Time for a Change. It has spawned a popular line dance and has drawn comparisons to DJ Casper's "Cha Cha Slide".

In the United States, the song peaked at number 66 on the Billboard Hot 100 and number 21 on the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs the chart, both in the August 18, 2007 issue.

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The Cupid Shuffle was a defining aspect of the early 2010s due to its meteoric popularity as an avant-garde exercise technique for elementary schools and bowling alleys, similar to DJ Casper's "Cha Cha Slide". When used at school dances, proms, weddings, or other festive occasions, the Cupid Shuffle and Cha Cha Slide are often played one right after the other."...
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Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h24_zoqu4_Q for the official 2007 YouTube video of the Cupid Shuffle.

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DESCRIPTION OF THIS VIDEO
This video is an 
video skit of former President Barack Obama, Former President Bill Clinton, civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton, and actor Samuel L. Jackson portrayed as bobblehead dolls doing the Cupid Shuffle dance. 

Bill Clinton is White. The other three men are Black (African American)

Each of these men are shown taking a turn dancing inthe middle of the floor to the 2007 record "The Cupid Shuffle". 

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THE DISCUSSION THREAD FOR THIS SHOWCASED VIDEO

Numbers have been added to these comments for referencing purposes only. 

Some comments in that video's discussion thread were critical of some or all of the people "featured" in this video, usually for political reasons. I chose to focus on positive examples of comments in that discussion thread. I'm particularly interested in documenting some examples of comments from that video's discussion thread which include African American Vernacular English* (AAVE) to express that the commenters really like the video and comments that express why they like the video. 

*This post doesn't identify or give definitions for any of these examples of AAVE.   

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oZ5Pa5KEt0

1. Lana
"This is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time!!!不不不不不不不不不不"

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2. Kat
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I agree! I am gut laughing Lana, this is good for people that need a lift. 不休 Look at Obama, his facial expressions say he is really GETTIN' IT.

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3. Lana
"@Kat  Oh God he's hilarious! When I watched this I screamed laughing. I just watched it again! 不不不不"

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4. M. Chris
"Why they do Dat to Obama!不不不不不"

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5. Monie Love
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Obama is jamming!"

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6. Loin Jackson
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Loooooooooool gwone president"

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7. Roy
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Get Down Obama! Yeah  man  lmfao."

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8. Wanda brewer Wilhite
"SO COOL!!!!!"

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Sharon
9. "Hope Obama has seen this. His facial expressions are so on point!"

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10. Carol Larremore
"So funny.  we need a good laugh.  Amen"

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11. winiver77
"Al jumping with shoulders rising just cracks me up!"

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12. Terri Allar
"This is so creative and so funny 不不 it's Great "

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13. Deborah Gregory
"I hope Presidents Obama seen this and. President Clinton too.  Because this is the bomb.

I do like !!!"

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14. carolyn vetsch
"Y'all crazy Lol, this is funny ."

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15. Judy L
"Love Samuel & would like to see him dance, if he can. And Rev. Al needs to dance more & loosen up...too serious & stiff."

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16. roberta johnson
"Obama doing his thing!  Straight GQ

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17. Carmela Threatt
"Ha ha ha ha  oohI got stomach  cramps  from  laughing  ha ha ha ha ha"

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18.Ann Crane
"The Samuel L .Jackson face through out the whole thing is what got me the face and all."

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19. Charlotte Kelly
"And his tiny hands clap at the end...I hollered!!! 不不不唐"

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20. Valerie Williams
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The look on Obama's face is priceless  , I love this skit 蛤"

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21. Theresa Tesfaselase
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I think this i a keeper,!! This is just too darn cute I tell you,! Those little bodies are just too much child!!!"

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22. Donna H Smile's
"Made my morning

To funny had my A$$ cracking up "

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23. Windsingerful
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This was fantastic the first time! Even more so now….some sunshine and good cheer against the current landscape."

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24. Patrice Silva
"Omg the face expression n the dance moves on point. The people that edit these videos are amazing"

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25. Paula Lowery
"Ikr! Especially Barack!  And that's got to be Samuel Jackson screaming ya ya ya in the background.."

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26. Pauliana Andrews
"Right on love it"

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27. Cookie I.
"Al's tie is swaggin'"

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28. FRESH 2 DEF
"I'm dead look at Bill faces 不不不唐唐唐唐"

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29. Joanne Bannister
"Absolutely made my day. I so needed this !"

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30. ELANOR JANAE
"Dang Ian heard this song in so long . So refreshing . Bringing back memories!"

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31. Brenda Grant
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Who ever took the time for this THANK YOU!!! I needed a good hardy laugh it was great!! Gone back and looked at it a couple times and still got a hearty laugh… "

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32. Jacqueline Jones
"To the individuals who thought to share thier ingenious creativity with the world you have mastered the art of animation, laughter , brilliance, in real time. Look at laid back Al, and Bill movements and that swag of Barack."

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33. Deborah McCoy
"This Video Clip Is Tripping Me Out ❤❤"

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34. Jennifer Smith
"love it  it is creative and hilarious "

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35. Debra Geisler
"OMG, so funny, funny, funny and funny. So entertaining,. Luv Obamo, Clinton, Jackson  Rev. Sharpton❤️"

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36, Love and Happiness
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Al over there trying to keep it holy...不不不

Damn this was good....❤️"

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37. Tee baby
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I love Me some Clinton he had a smirk on his face and was getting down too"

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38. Dianne King
"O my goodness!! I haven’t laughed that hard in a long time. That was brilliant! And the thing is I played it several time so I could concentrate on each character. Obama got me good though.不"

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39. Shelia Beal
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Just what the doctor ordered!!!!!!!"

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40. MINNIEL CHANDLER
"Sharpton in the cut, Obama shakin his butt, Jackson tryna see how low he can go while Clinton just goin wit the the flow!"

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41. green house fun
"I  love this. Rev al is in the building"

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42. . ࿐磛Swnsasy磛
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ROFLOL not Big Bill!! 不不You know you wrong for this!"

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Gloria Settles
"43. I love this one they getting it in"

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44. Brenda Rewan
"I bet Mr. Obama is so cool that he could really do this dance. I KNOW Mrs. Obama can. "

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45. Good Measure
"LOL. Him and the rest are  some bad mamma jammas lol."

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46. A.M. Lindsay
"This is just too much, I will get off the floor as soon as I can stop laughing but I can't get off the floor for over fifteen minutes yet, OMG, someone please help me get to a chair "

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47. Leona Blackwell
"Are you still on the floor ? Lol"

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48. Sam Franklin
"This is an exclusive look at the dance intermission at the cookout. "

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49. fdoctor
"Clinton will always have a plate at the barbecue and can participate in the line dances."

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50. Spiritual Strength
"I love this and it's uplifting, I hope no one is offended, we all need a little laughter!"

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51. Patricia Martin
"These cats Walk it out Obama on it but look at Sam's knees they killing,!"

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52. Happy Heart
"Billy boy in the back killing it too"

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53. SumaAminah Shaheed
"I'm over here in Stitches.....OH GAWD! I've watched this about 50 times and it just gets better....Obama the ring leader 休休休"

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54. Marquis Bean
"When Samuel Jackson came in I died不不不"

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55. Cynthia Phelps
"Wow this is cool as hell…love it"

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56. Jude
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This is wicked cool Well done I love it"

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57. E E
"I wish this was a longer video 不不"

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58. Sherri Tyrrell
"I JUST LOVE THIS!!!!

OH How I Miss U Baarrack!!!"

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59. Kimmie K Possible
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Look @ Bil get his groove on. Love it ❤️"

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60. Ethel Moore
"This is too cute oh my goodness that was a good idea the best"

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61. Jeanette Peterson
"Barack is killing this ish,!   Sporty azz dancer. Thug Jackson love it"

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62. Ana Carpenter
"Very clever adaptation I wish Barack Obama were still the USA World Leader"

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63. Luvetta Hayes
"They knocked it out of the Park"

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64. Spiritual Strength
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I love this and it's uplifting, I hope no one is offended, we all need a little laughter!"

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65. Shonell Bacon
"I have watched this video SO many times, and I die laughing each time. Obama's face is a dead-on match to the dancer, and Clinton's expressions freaking slay me. I can NOT deal. LOL"

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66. Rai S
"Why is Samuel L just vibing with these political figures?! I can't 不不不"

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67. Blucation
"Look at Sharpton, he didn’t smile once. Love this"

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68. Janet Thomas
"He's serious 不"

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69. MAG 777
"Clinton in the background had me dyin "

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70. BK _C
"I like how they edit Bill Clinton our honorary pookie"

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71. Mother of Love
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Cthuuu!! This was perfect!!! I was cracking the heck up at Bill in the corner and Obama swag is on  a thousand!"

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72. Rietta Richardson
"This is genius! All four of my favorite dudes breaking down to my favorite line dance song! Those big bobble heads tickle me; and, the dancing is amazing!"

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73. Dwight Boxley
"That is off the chain 綾戊"

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74. Kathleen Landolt
"Glad it went viral again, cuz I never saw it the first time around!"

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75. Cecilia B
"Love this,  made my day!!"

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76. MAGICALfingers76
"Sweet "

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77. Jane Dryden
"This sh-t* is hilarious!"
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment,

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78. Patricia Martin
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These cats Walk it out Obama on it but look at Sam's knees they killing,!"

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79. Quintin A
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This is too damn much. Top tier creativity.不不"

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80. the promise man
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Bill Clinton's got me rolling that looks he gives .. Samuel Jackson looks confused tho 不"

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81. Tarot & Inspiration With Magickal Jones
"This hard "

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82. Curtis L Hill
"That’s what up "

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83. Susan Faulkner
"Go on with your bad self. I dig it!"

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84. Deborah Lee
"Now this is cool !"

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85. Grateful..Ronald we are still here beloved
"\Bill ain’t no slouch either!"

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86. Barbara Mozie
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Obama is The MAN in this funny video!不不"

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87. Karen White
"I watch this over and over again it made my day then I noticed Samuel Jackson looking at Bill Clinton like this white boy can't dance that cracked me up my stomach hurt 不不不不不不不"

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88. SREI
"Bill Clinton,:  I got this I got this....不不不不"

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89. GET SUNSET
"Clinton need to attend rehearsal next time... lol..

Now kick.. now kick.. now kick!

Love it! Come on Sam! Come on Sharp!"

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90. James Harris
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Yo it's the Obama face for me 不不不不不不不不不"

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91. Patricia Sloane
"Now that that is very smooth I dig it "

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92. Victoria Muniz
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Love this video you brought laughter in my house thank you looking forward to more videos"

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93. Roxie FAITHfulsGirl
"Now ya'll know this just Down-Right GOOD!!!塔塔蛤"

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94. David James
"This video is insane lmao"

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95. Mississippi blues lady
"不不不不不不I'm in knots,but William (Bill) Clinton, Barack Obama & Samuel Jackson got it going on Sharpton one of my favorite."

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96. Pamela Butler
"This is AWESOME!! The creator deserves major props!"

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97. Shaharazad Bah Dey
"This video is Absolutely Amazing and Fun as Heck. LMAO 不... President Obama looks so Comfortable and Relaxed and in with the Dance. So Natural, and My Man Samuel Jackson is Spot On. Just Plain Fun to watch. Made me Laugh "

Thank You Creator Genius.

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98. Lar Eh
"Yooooo.... bill's smirks are hilarious.  It's like he switches from being proud of Barack to being pleased in his own dance moves."

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99. SIMONIE Hunter
"Obama slick move in real black man life MOVES❤❤"

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100. NinerNelly79 Fuego
"This was GREAT!! Ahhhhh the faces of expressions from Clinton and Sharpton… LMFAO!! This will be on repeat. ‍恫‍♀️不"

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101. Jerome Berry
"I love this video.!! They put Obama's face on the right dude who is getting down. And the facial expressions are right on with his movements. Just great.!!"

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102. Eileen Burton
"Off the hook hilarious and "

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103. Heriberto Rios
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This video is tight work不"

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104. Paula E Toussaint
"The King of the Swag...Mr. Obama"

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105. Shelia McCullough
"OGS  doing The Cupid Shuffle荊✌️"

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106. Aneice Harris
"I like the original but this one is the best."

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107. Carla Shelton
"Work it out OBAMA!! You working those moves you a bad boy... I see your peeps...."

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108. cncrissy555
"I hope all of them see this this is off the chain I absolutely love this LOL this is too cute"

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109. Vanessa Whetstone
"I love bp❤"

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110. Native American Swag
"I see Bill getting it in too! But Obama is the MVP!不唐返休❤️不"

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111. Vikki Smith
"This is too hot to  handle."

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112. Jadine Simpson
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It bad,loving it."

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113. A Mullady
"Wicked "

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114. Herb Garden
"狼OO COOL!!!"

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115. Michael Bassett
"Slay"

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116. 
TEC MEDIA ke
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The hype is on point"

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Saturday, January 28, 2023

The War &Treaty - "Hit Dawg Will Holla" (2017 Blues sound file with lyrics)



The War & Treaty, Nov 14, 2017

Provided to YouTube by TuneCore

 Hit Dawg Will Holla · The War and Treaty

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part III  of a three part pancocojams series about the African American originated saying "A hit dog will holler."

This post presents information about the African American music group The War & Treaty.

This post also showcases The War & Treaty's 2017 song "Hit Dawg Will Holla". My unofficial transcription of the lyrics to that song is included in this post. Additions and corrections are welcome. 


Click 
https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/01/what-does-hit-dog-will-holler-mean.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. That post presents information about the origins and meaning of the saying "Hit dog will holler", with special focus on Andrew Gillium's use of that saying in a 2018 Florida gubernatorial debate with Ron DeSantis. 

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/01/examples-of-saying-hit-dog-will-holler.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. That post showcases a YouTube vlog and selected comments about the use of the saying "Hit dog will holler" in a January 2023 discussion thread that was prompted by French actor Omar Sy's comment that a attention should be focused on other war zones and not just Ukraine

The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to The War & Treaty for their music. Thanks to all who are quoted in this post.

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INFORMATION ABOUT THE WAR * TREATY(Music Group)
From 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_and_Treaty
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The War and Treaty are an American husband and wife duo of Michael Trotter Jr. and Tanya Trotter.

Career

Based in Albion, Michigan, Trotter & (Blount) Trotter was formed in 2014. They changed their name to The War and Treaty in 2017 after fighting about changing their name for a fifth time. During the argument Tanya yells out “this isn’t war Michael, so let’s come to some sort of treaty here.

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Career

Based in Albion, Michigan, Trotter & (Blount) Trotter was formed in 2014.[attribution needed] They changed their name to The War and Treaty in 2017 after fighting about changing their name for a fifth time. During the argument Tanya yells out “this isn’t war Michael, so let’s come to some sort of treaty here.

 In 2016, Michael Trotter Jr. and Tanya Blount released the duet album Love Affair as Trotter & Blount.[3] In the same year, the duo released the single "Hi Ho" as The War and Treaty.[attribution needed] "Hi Ho" was described by Paste writer Chris Estey as 'the break out soul hit'.[attribution needed] In 2017, The War and Treaty released the EP Down to the River, described as a mix of 'blues, gospel, soul, bluegrass, country' and heralded by Estey as 'a splendidly made immediate classic about conflict and redemption'.[4][5] Estey describes 'in songs about personal turmoil and the dread at the end of time, every kind of fear and joy is addressed through gut-stirring and feet-moving anthems like "Hit Dawg Will Holla", "Set My Soul On Fire", and the title track.[attribution needed] Yet the two can sensually help heal the wounds from those confessional blasts with a sweet ballad like "Till The Mornin’" — they truly live up to the dynamic tension of their moniker.'"...

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LYRICS - HIT DAWG WILL HOLLER *
(The War & Treaty)

Your lies will follow truth
And truth follows lies
The phone keep on ringing
And now I know why

You keep drinkin the water
It’s gettin harder to swallow
Oh, my grandma said “Hit dawg will holla”

Heeey HeyOhoo
Heeey Hey Ohoo

You walkin in the backyard
With your swampy swampy feet
I go to get a piece
You quickly take your seat
You grab your moonshine (Oh yes!)
Instead of your black tea
My grandma said “Ah hit dawg will holla”

Heeey Hey Ohoo
Heeey Hey Ohoo
Ah,yeah

Oh, yeah
What is this I hear
That got me in tears
You creepin round my dear
I think I need a beer
I got one bullet left
In a 45 chamber
My grandma said “Ah hit dawg will holla”

Heeey Hey Ohoo
Heeey Hey Ohoo

A hit dog will holla
A hit dog will holla
A hit dog will holla
A hit dog will holla
Wooh, A hit dog will holla
A hit dog will holla
Yeah, A hit dog will holla
A hit dog will holla
A hit dog will holla
My grandma said “Ah hit dawg will holla
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This is my unofficial transcription of this song. Additions and corrections are welcome.

According to ,"A hit dog will holler” refers to the idea that people offended by a certain idea or statement will be the ones most likely to react defensively or even aggressively to it. In fact, in some cases, if someone makes an accusation, the individual who reacts most vehemently is likely the most guilty of said accusation. In other words, their reaction can be construed as an admission of guilt."

In this song by The War & Treaty, one member of a couple accuses the other of  "creepin round" (cheating on her or him.) It appears from the lyrics, that instead of talking about it, the partner (the hit dog) refuses to address the accusation.
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Notice that The War & Treaty's song "Hit Dog Will Holler" was released before the former Florida Democratic 2018 gubernatorial candidate Andrew Gillum popularized the saying "by using a form of it in a debate with his Republican challenger Ron DeSantis. In that October 2018 debate, Gillum responded to DeSantis rant about racism with the words "My grandmother used to say "A hit dog will holler".  Read more about that use and other uses of that proverb in Part I of this pancocojams series. 

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Friday, January 27, 2023

Examples Of The Saying "Hit Dog Will Holler" In A Discussion Thread For A January 2023 Vlog About Omar Sy Facing Backlash About His Comments That Attention Should Be Focused On Other War Zones And Not Just Ukraine


African Diaspora News Channel, Premiered Jan 23, 2023

Wongel Zelalem reports on Omar Sy Calling Out “R@cism” Following Backlash In France Over War In Ukraine Comments
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Total # of  views as of January 27, 2023 at 11:12 AM ET -76,040
Total # of  comments as of January 27, 2023 at 11:12 AM ET - 726
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That host mispronounced that French actor's name. His name is Omar Sy (with "Sy" rhyming with the English words "sea" and "see".

She also misstated Omar Sy's ethnicity. His father is from Senegal and his mother is from Mauritania (not Mauritius). Omar Sy was born in France and now lives in the United States (according to his Wikipedia page.)   

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II of a three part pancocojams series about the African American originated saying "A hit dog will holler."

This post 
showcases a YouTube vlog and selected comments about the use of the saying "Hit dog will holler" in a January 2023 discussion thread that was prompted by French actor Omar Sy's comment that a attention should be focused on other war zones and not just Ukraine.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/01/what-does-hit-dog-will-holler-mean.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. That post presents information about the origins and meaning of the saying "Hit dog will holler", with special focus on Andrew Gillium's use of that saying in a 2018 Florida gubernatorial debate with Ron DeSantis. 

Click  https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/01/the-war-hit-dawg-will-holla-2017-blues.html for Part III of this pancocojams series. That post 
showcase the 2017 song  "Hit Dawg Will Holla" by the African American duo "The War And Treaty".

The content of this post is presented for historical, socio-cultural, and linguistic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Omar Sy for stating his opinion about the fact that there have been and still are wars in other places than in the Ukraine.  Thanks to 
African Diaspora News Channel for providing news about this backlash against Omar Sy because of he responded to an interviewer's question by stating his opinion. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post.
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Click 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Sy for information about actor Omar Sy. 

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE FOR BACKGROUND TO MANY OF THESE COMMENTS
At 3: 20 in that vlog, 
Wongel Zelalem the host of this African Diaspora New Channel episode indicates that French actor Omar Sy said "I've seen this before. I know what is happening in Ukraine is sad. But I've seen that already. We should feel bad whenever that happens everywhere in the world and not just Ukraine."

In another portion of that vlog that host said something like "Everyone knows about France and Mali, but he (Omar Sy) didn't mention France and Mali." 

Regrettably, I had to do some google searches about the ongoing conflict since 2013 between France and Muslim terrorists in Mali, West Africa and in other nations in the African Sahel.

Among other online articles, click 
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60419799 Why are French troops leaving Mali, and what will it mean for the region?

Here's an excerpt of that April 26, 2022 article:
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President Emmanuel Macron has announced he will be pulling French forces out of the West African nation of Mali, where they have been fighting Islamist militants since 2013.

There are 5,000 French troops in Mali and surrounding countries, fighting groups such as al-Qaeda and Islamic State.

But over the past eight years, the French presence has become increasingly unpopular with Mali's government and its public.

What is the terrorist threat in Mali and the Sahel region?

Both the Islamic State group and al-Qaeda have decided to focus on the Sahel region of Africa, after suffering setbacks in the Middle East.

The Sahel is a strip of semi-arid land beneath the Sahara Desert that stretches across the continent from east to west. It includes parts of Chad, Niger, Mali, Burkina Faso and Mauritania.

[…]

Why did France become involved?

In 2013, France sent 5,000 troops to Mali at the government's behest as it was facing an armed rebellion.

[...]

Why did the French presence become unpopular?

The French forces were warmly welcomed when they first arrived in Mali nine years ago, but relations have since soured.

The number of terror attacks in the country has steadily increased, and so has the number of Malians joining insurgent groups. In the past nine years, the Islamist militant threat has also spread to other countries such as Burkina Faso and Niger, with insurgents raiding in the region from their bases in the Sahara.

Many local people feel that France, as an advanced military power, should have been able to solve the terror problem and that it should get out of the way if it cannot do so. Some have called the presence of troops from the former colonial power an "occupation".

Since 55 French troops have been killed in the Sahel, it is not popular in France, either.”…

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VLOG'S DISCUSSION THREAD
All of these comments have been posted from January 25-January 27, 2023. These comments are given in relative chronological order with numbers added for referencing purposes only.

This compilation consist of all of  that vlog's comments that include the "Hit dog will holler" saying (as of  11:12 AM January 27, 2023) and selected comments that serve as explanation or background for those "hit dog will holler" comments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj-6EHiVZPE

1. life a motha39
"Mama always said "A hit dog will holler."  He didn't even mention anyone and they acted this way. The reaction to his statement says more about France than anything he said in that interview."

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2. 
Andrea Lomax
"According to the the actor and the magazine that interviewed him,  he did not mention France. I had to laugh because hit dogs holler, right France?"

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3. AAkyrah34
"The problem with france is that " a hit dog will holler""

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4. Delma Dennis-Walters
"The guilty ones were offended and the actor stepped on toes with some serious CORNS on them.  LOL "

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5. Willie J. Kheperu
"Hit Dogs holler"

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6. Kelugu 37
"They know they haven't done right by Africa, either now or in the past, that's why they're triggered."

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7. 1619 Brewed
"He threw a shoe. The DOG YELPED. THEN IT MUST APPLY TO THESE DOGS "

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8. frederickcook87
"Thank you Brother…. They never asks whites about their feelings on war/issues in Africa but Blacks are supposed to be heartbroken over white on white issues…

It’s so tiring explaining white supremacy to itself"

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9. FingerLaserZ
"France, France, France ☝.... this nation has recently been consistently showing it's reputation as a poor example for liberty and justice towards many African nations who speak out against it's hypocrisy "

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10. DarkTitan
" @joose  Agree been this way for centuries, decades."

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11. croixfadas
"Bro they are our worst enemy historically, from central africa to west africa, it has been 200 years.

@croixfadas  Also in Haiti"

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12. croixfadas
" @Sonya Bell  legit, everywhere un the world, from Oceania to south America."

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13.  Tea Scobie
"normal. A coloniser being a coloniser. What do you expect? truth? ha ha ha"

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14. Rhonda Clipper
"I'm So Glad He Spoke Up. He Didn't Lie."

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15. 
KingCeeTV
"I say the same "

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16.  Bandit4true Love
"Nothing is wrong with  what he said.

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17. joll cheist 1
"FACTS are uncomfortable to hear for the guilty but they are embedded in history and can't be erased."

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18. 
Yasmeen Nasir
"I love Omar & most of France does too. While living in France for a few years I've noticed that many in France don't want to believe there is racism..it's kinda of a goofy mindset...but anyway....we love you Omar"

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19. 8181 red
"Since they are attacking him he should have went on and mentioned how the people in Ukraine wouldn't let the African people board the train when everyone was trying to escape."

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20. Amante
"If you know anything about the history of France and french people you won't be surprised. Another thing is why do so many websites still have "Help Ukraine but they don't have no help button link for any African country that's at war right now?

Even when those terror attacks happened in France years ago everyone was saying "pray for France" but never said the same thing when terror attacks happen in African countries where the death toll was even higher in those attacks and a lot of the victims were kids."

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21. megan mangray
"He said nothing wrong. Why is Ukraine soo important."

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22. Dr. Miguel Torrez, EdD
"He isn't wrong. I mean even in Asia the Military took over Burma and no one is talking about that. When it happens to a white country, it hits the news but anyone else gets little to no coverage if their hue isn't right."

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23. Millicent Williams
"It's  not surprising. Look at their history with Africa and Haiti ."

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24.  Naburt Danndo
"If there were a few french sodiers that lost their lives in Mali we feel sorry because they are human beings ! They didn’t die there for Africa but for french inteests !

Now who can tell me how many black African lost their lives in world war on and in world war 2 for France ? No one can ! France is so ungrateful that those African who survived  those wars were mistreated and  killed  for asking for their pensions!"

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25. Corbet Witter
"Don't be surprised,  he is Black, how dare you speak the truth, and  draw a comparison with black countries. You was supposed to speak up for Europe  not having an opinion of your own. Shame on France and the people who are attacking an honest and eloquent brother."

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26. Paula Gaskins
"Yes racism in France, Spain, Germany, Belgium. Racism in any Western country should not be a surprise!!!"

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27. Shortypants1215
"A hit dog will holler. You’re hollering, France …"

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28.  Nii Amu
"French have a guilty conscience."

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29.  Andrew Howson
"We're supposed to care more about European issues than our own. That's what the world expects of us."

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30. Jag Brit
"Countries like Myanmar and Cameroon have been in war the past five years, with ongoing genocides that's killing brown and black folks  in numbers that totally dwarfs Ukraine's casualties. Guess they don't count. Human rights have levels in Western politics. What a farce!"

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31. Onaga Ali
"I never heard of him personally, I'm from the U S and never been to France. Yet I'm a lifelong scholar and historian and know many bad things about the odious deeds of the African colonization, racism, violence,and treachery done by France on the African continent and in the Caribbean lands. The African actor was telling the truth. This just goes to show how ubiquitous white supremacy and racism is. Everytime a black man gives an objective analysis of the double standards of how white nations that go through unjust suffering as Ukraine has been going through with Russia it's suddenly more important and gets more press than what's going on concerning the suffering of lands where melanated people live such as in Port-au-Prince,Tigray,Jalisco,Rio de Janeiro,Capetown,Sana'a,Gaza,or Aleppo."

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32. Aisha Solomon
"Guilty consciences tell on themselves by how they take offence."

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Thursday, January 26, 2023

What "Hit Dog Will Holler" REALLY Means? (with a focus on Andrew Gillum's use of that saying in a 2018 Florida gubernatorial debate)

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part I of a three part pancocojams series about what I believe is an African American originated saying "A hit dog will holler."

This post presents information about the origins and meaning of the saying "Hit dog will holler", with special focus on Andrew Gillium's use of that saying in a 2018 Florida gubernatorial debate with Ron DeSantis. 

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/01/examples-of-saying-hit-dog-will-holler.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. That post showcases a YouTube vlog and selected comments about the use of the saying "Hit dog will holler" in a January 2023 discussion thread that was prompted by French actor Omar Sy's comment that a attention should be focused on other war zones and not just Ukraine

Click __ for Part III of this pancocojams series. That post showcase the 2017 song "Hit Dawg Will Holla" by the African American duo "The War And Treaty".

The content of this post is presented for linguistic and cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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ONLINE QUOTES ABOUT THE SAYING "HIT DOG WILL HOLLER"
These quotes are presented in no particular order. Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.

QUOTE #1
From https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-phrase-a-hit-dog-will-holler-mean What does the phrase “a hit dog will holler” mean?

1.Clifton Palmer McLendon, 2018
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When a general accusation is made, a guilty party will complain.

My father of blessed memory was a radio announcer. Occasionally his program included playing records.

On occasion, he would say “This next song is dedicated to anyone that needs it" and he would play the Hank Williams song “Mind Your Own Business.”

Always over the next several days various people would complain “Why did you embarrass me on the radio for everyone to hear?” "

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2. Sue Doenymme, 2018
"Clifton Palmer McLendon's answer to What does the phrase “a hit dog will holler” mean? strikes me as spot-on: if an accusation is thrown out, the one to complain about it will be someone who feels attacked - and assumed guilty as charged.

I know this phrase actually from German - der getroffene Hund bellt. I have never heard of it in an English equivalent… the phrasing strikes me as coming from the Southern US.

A phrase I am familiar with in British English which might be equivalent: if the cap fits, wear it."

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QUOTE #2
From https://linguaholic.com/linguablog/a-hit-dog-will-holler/ “A hit dog will holler”: Here’s What It Really Means, Posted on January 8, 2021

 …."What does “a hit dog will holler” mean?

“A hit dog will holler” refers to the idea that people offended by a certain idea or statement will be the ones most likely to react defensively or even aggressively to it. In fact, in some cases, if someone makes an accusation, the individual who reacts most vehemently is likely the most guilty of said accusation. In other words, their reaction can be construed as an admission of guilt.

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What does a “hit dog” mean?

Calling someone “a hit dog” started back at the end of the nineteenth century, sometime around the 1880s. In fact, The Washington Post asserted that the first one to use the proverb, “a hit dog will holler,” was Samuel Porter Jones, who was a lawyer-turned pastor and preacher.

As a matter of fact, Jones was known to use a larger version of the proverb, which said, “throw a stone into a crowd of dogs, and the hit dog will holler.”

Hence, this is where the idea of “a hit dog” comes from. It’s the dog that got hit by the stone. And, once you understand this context, it becomes even clearer where the expression derives its meaning.

“Throw a stone” can be interpreted as making an accusation or saying an inflammatory statement.

And, the “hit dog” will be the one who feels that the accusation was directed at them or that the inflammatory statement was meant for them, both of which can be considered as signs of a guilty conscience.

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…“a hit dog will holler” really gained prominence in 2018 when it was used in the Florida gubernatorial election. The story is that Democrat Andrew Gillum was going up against Republican Ron DeSantis.

Now, while Gillum was vying to be Florida’s first black governor, DeSantis had been accused on multiple occasions of having associations with racist organizations.

When this came up in the middle of one of their debates, and when DeSantis was called out for his associations, he reacted emotionally and vehemently.

He started going on a tirade, trying to defend himself, but it came across as him floundering more than anything else. In response to this emotional defense, Gillum said, “ My grandmother used to say: a hit dog will holler.”

Basically, what Gillum is saying is that DeSantis’s emotional reply is proof of his guilt.

Naturally, you can imagine that it didn’t take long for Twitter and the media to pick up this story and spread it like wildfire.”…
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Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xDBNJ0Go0Y for a YouTube video of the exchange between Ron DeSantis and Andrew Gillum.
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I've come across a number of online comments -and one song that is showcased in Part III of this pancocojams series- that give the saying "Hit dog will holler" as "My grandma said "A hit dog will holler".

I believe the "grandmother" ("grandma")  form of that saying predates Gillum's use of it.  As such, I believe that Gillum may have actually been quoting that form of the saying, meaning he wasn't speaking about his actual grandmother, but quoting an old saying that was/is part of African American culture.  

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QUOTE #3
From https://www.newsherald.com/story/news/politics/state/2018/10/26/in-florida-old-proverb-used-by-gillum-to-suggest-desantis-habors-racist-views/9451566007/ In Florida, an old proverb used by Gillum to suggest DeSantis habors racist views, Isaac Stanley-Becker | The Washington Post, published Oct 26, 2018
"An explosive moment at a Wednesday debate, which spotlighted the racial dynamics in the contest over the Florida governorship, became an occasion for Andrew Gillum, the Democratic candidate and the mayor of Tallahassee, to quote his grandmother.

"My grandmother used to say, 'a hit dog will holler,' and it hollered through this room," Gillum said, reacting to the defense mounted by his Republican opponent, Rep. Ron DeSantis, to the accusation of racism.

It was an elliptical way of stating what he would affirm a different way 40 seconds later.

"I'm not calling Mr. DeSantis a racist," Gillum concluded. "I'm simply saying the racists believe he's a racist."

Gillum blasted out his grandmother's saying, with video of his delivery, in a tweet that had drawn more than 73,000 likes by early Thursday morning.

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Notice that the title of this article describes "My grandmother used to say 'a hit dog will holler" as "an old proverb". This title supports my position that Andrew Gillum was quoting a folk saying and not referring to his actually referring to his own grandmother. However, at the end of that article the writer of that article reverted back to the assumption that Gillum got this saying from his actual grandmother rather than from Black folk culture.

Using the word "grandmother" in that saying marks it as something old.  Indicating that "My grandmother used to say ' a hit dog will holler" came from an old person also conveys the notion that it's a wise saying, since old people are supposed to be wise. 

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