Why Haven't Black People In The United States Been More Supportive Of Haitian Immigrants In Springfield, Ohio Who Are Being Falsely Accused Of Eating Cats & Dogs? (a YouTube discussion sub-thread)

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest edition - October 21, 2024

This pancocojams post presents information about the false accusations that were made by Republicans during the 2024 Presidential campaign that the Haitian immigrant population in Springfield, Ohio were stealing, killing, and eating pets in that community.

This post also provides a complete sub-thread from a YouTube video on another subject in which commenters responded to the question ""Why are Black people in the USA not coming out strongly against the tarnishing of Black immigrants from Haiti in Springfield?"

The content of this post is presented for historical and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/10/a-2010-journal-article-excerpt-about.html for a related pancocojams post entitled "A 2010 Journal Article Excerpt About Haitians and African Americans in The Mattapan Neighborhood Of Boston, Massachusetts."

Reading that 2010 journal article echoes and/or clarifies the reasons for some of the points that were made in the comments in this 2024 YouTube sub-thread. 

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INFORMATION ABOUT THE SITUATION REGARDING THE HAITIAN POPULATION  IN SPRINGFIELD, OHIO 
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_pet-eating_hoax
"Starting in September 2024, baseless claims spread online that Haitian immigrants were stealing and eating pets in Springfield, Ohio. The claims began with a local Facebook group post claiming a local cat had been butchered, and spread quickly among far-right and neo-Nazi groups. The claims were then amplified by prominent figures in the American right, most notably Republican Senator and vice-presidential nominee, JD Vance of Ohio, followed by his running mate Donald Trump and allies such as Laura Loomer and Twitter owner Elon Musk.[1][2] Subsequently, the author of the original Facebook post and the neighbor who told her the story admitted it was based on a rumor from people with whom they had not spoken.[3][4]

Springfield and county law enforcement said that no credible reports or evidence support the claims, and the city's mayor and Ohio Governor Mike DeWine, who are both Republicans, have denounced them.[5] The claims were widely described as racist.[6][7][8] Fact-checking website Snopes called the claims unfounded, while others characterized them as a hoax or a lie.[9][10] When challenged on the factual basis of the claims, Vance told interviewer Dana Bash, "If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do".[11]

The pet-eating claims spread amid existing racial tensions in Springfield, where recent legal Haitian immigration strained some public resources. There had been previous incidents of hostility towards the local Haitian community and unfounded local rumors of Haitians stealing waterfowl for food.[12] After the claims spread, dozens of bomb threats targeted Springfield schools, hospitals, public buildings, and businesses, often accompanied by anti-Haitian messages."... 

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE ABOUT THIS POST 
This is the complete sub-thread that is an off-topic comment exchange that is part of a discussion thread for a YouTube video entitled "Black Men Think Very Carefully Before Voting For Trump! | Will You Get The Tangibles You Want" (published by TheDefiantLawyers on September 18, 2024. This YouTube channel is hosted by two African American attorneys (father (Augustus Corbett) and daughter (Chloe Corbett). As of October 20, 2024 at 1:57 Am EDT there has been a total number of 324,667 views for this video. As of the same time there are a total number of 6,068 comments in the entire discussion thread and 58 comments in this showcased sub-thread.. The entire sub-thread as of October 20, 2024 is quoted in this pancocojams post with numbers added for referencing purpose only. This sub-thread doesn't include a comment that I attempted to add to that sub-thread two times but for some reason both attempts were deleted after they appeared in that sub-thread for a brief time. My comment was in response to comment #42 in this sub-thread which asks about the meaning of the word "tether". I didn't copy the original version of my comment which was longer than my second version. That first version included the title of a pancocojams post on Foundational Black Americans (FBAs) and Americans Descendants Of Slaves (ADOS), but didn't include a link to that post. I thought that mentioning my blog post might have been the reason why my comment was deleted since that could have been interpreted as self-promotion. Therefore I didn't mention my pancocojams blog or that post in my second attempt to add a comment to that discussion thread. I'm sharing the second version of my comment after the last comment that appears in that sub-thread as of this date. This pancocojams post also includes the link to my post on FBA, ADOS, and their relatively newly coined meaning for the English language word "tether" as a specific population referent. **** YOUTUBE VIDEO SUB-THREAD ABOUT THIS SPRINGFIELD, OHIO PET EATING HOAX

1. @byronhay1648, September 2024
"Why are Black people in the USA not coming out strongly against the tarnishing of Black immigrants from Haiti in Springfield? It also reflects on every black wherever you come from."

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2. @Bambi7ish, September 2024
"We are! ✅️💪🏽💯"

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3. @divinebynature7056, September 2024
"How do you know some are'nt? Is anyone from the Black immigrant community talking about the young man, Javion MaGee who was alledgedly lynched?  Don't come in here with that bullcrap. There are many things to be concerned about."

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4. @ursamajor6347, September 2024
"Because we have allowed social media mouthpieces to condition us into “otherizing” Black people who from the US. The introduction of terms like ADOS and FBA into our vocabulary was purposely part of the conditioning."

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5. @MPMMPM-vy9cu, September 2024
"If you're not Black, then you don't know. Don't comment if you are unschooled on the subject!"

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6. @byronhay1648, September 2024
"@Bambi7ish  Thank you."

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7. @Tiffany-ki4wu,September 2024
"Some of us is King we are very outraged and has spoken up."

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8. @Michael-w2d3g, September 2024
"Because these Haitian 'Tethers' get to the US and talk greasy about FBA's!🤔"

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9. @roberthboyd6073, September 2024
"Yes true"

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10. @onlyalisaawilliams, September 2024
"We are, but some have self hate, don’t label all of us with them.. Y’all have to learn the loudest mouths online doesn’t represent the majority , and we as Black American’s have a responsibility  to get loader than them, and that’s our fault we haven’t."

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11.@msimareallady8664, September 2024
"It's so much trauma, distractions, and issues that's happening. it's almost too overwhelming."

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12. @lorrainehurt3044,September 2024
"We need to take care of ourselves. Has any other Blacks from other countries come to our aid in all these years?!"

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13. @judymuttari5929, September 2024
"Yall don't stand up for us and we return the favor, plus yall think ya better than blacks."

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14. @keithcaldwell1871, September 2024
"Because we don’t stick together"

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15. @keithcaldwell1871, September 2024
"Because we never stick together"

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16.@sparkle3000, September 2024
"@lorrainehurt3044  Kendrick Lamar is attempting to do just that.
We help all these groups but they don't  help us back.
Time to look out for themselves."

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17. @rdhawk929, September 2024
"Never thought I'd get this kind of treatment here. I'm out. Comment keeps getting deleted."

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18. @sparkle3000, September 2024
"@rdhawk929  Me too, sad isn't it.
Keep posting the truth."

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19. @goldenfreedom7361, September 2024
" @lorrainehurt3044 with out the Haitian revolution,the will never be such thing as the Louisiana purchase in the American history. And secondly, more than 500 Haitian soldiers fought in the siege of Savannah Georgia during the American revolution war in 1779. Just saying... You could research that my sister. I ❤️ YOU MY SISTER. PLEASE BE SAFE, AND STAY BLESSED..🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿"

** Reply 20. @taq1238, September 2024
"​@lorrainehurt3044 There are so many who have joined in the struggle. Is it likely that you would have heard that I, as an immigrant, was part of an organization that abolished the death penalty in the state I live in?

Are you familiar with Stokely Carmichael aka Kwame Ture? He is a famous activist who came from the Caribbean.

I suspect that the narrative is more important for far too many than the facts.

** Reply 21. @rochcarothers-ts3jx, September 2024
"@MPMMPM-vy9cu Good point,so form us ?"

** 22. @rochcarothers-ts3jx, September 2024
"Trump axes DEI🇺🇸📜🗽⚖️"

** 23. @rosalindgriffin6940, September 2024
"Amen!!"

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24. @FunnkDrummer, September 2024
"Self hatred on both sides."

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25. @lorrainehurt3044,September 2024
"@goldenfreedom7361  I stand corrected 👍🏿"

** 26. @lorrainehurt3044, September 2024
"@taq1238  I stand corrected 👍🏿"

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27. @MOLICIOUS69, September 2024
"@divinebynature7056 exactly you handled that perfectly 🙏🏿"

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28. @rosalindgriffin6940, September 2024
"@FunnkDrummer  Well, guess what I will be voting blue. I have sons and I want my sons to make it home!!@"

** 30. @missyhockett, September 2024
"Some think their black is better than another black."

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31. @shawnfromstatefarm8822, September 2024
"@lorrainehurt3044 Plenty actually, if you used Google for what it’s supposed to be used for. And when exactly are you going to “take care of yourselves”?

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32. @RasheedGazzi, September 2024
"When have you EVER seen an immigrant speak up for the people who made it possible for them to have the rights they have now? Still I'm willing to stand on their side."

** 33. @RasheedGazzi, September 2024
"@missyhockett Some don't even want to identify as Black."

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34. @AntarrahGilkes, September 2024
"Do you remember Marcus Garvey and his contribution to the raising of the plight of black people in America? He was the father of 20th century black progressive movement....his UNIA sought to uplift Afrikan Americans. ​@lorrainehurt3044"

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35. @cheriagata6408,September 2024
"@Michael-w2d3g exhibit 1 of division"

** 36. @williamcarter9066,September 2024
"Have you talk to every black person in America to assume what you said in that very general statement!! I know haven’t interacted with me !! However it goes like this whatever I do or feel about the Haitians ITS STILL NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS people are allowed their own feelings and don’t have to group think to appease others!!"

** 37.@evylouis3122, September 2024
"@Michael-w2d3g don’t generalize all Haitians please. Black is black in some our eyes. African Americans paved the way so it would be ignorant to say otherwise."

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38. @patricemccauley8486, September 2024
"Absolutely!!!!!!"

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39. @cheriagata6408,September 2024
"@lorrainehurt3044 emphatically yes! Unlike black Americans they just join the cause without holding signs saying Haitian Jamaican African etc! They are right there with you! They have American kids too! They care bc unless they speak and you hear an accent, the system just see Black especially those Haitian people who mind their own business"

** 40. @cheriagata6408,September 2024
"@goldenfreedom7361 the ignorant ones are the loudest and most indignant right ! If they knew Haitian history they’d know that we need to revere these people and hold hands with them because the West still has its boots on their necks! They were the first to rid themselves of slavery and they valiantly fought to help others including South America! Respect to the Haitians! They have helped you and continue to do so because black includes Haitians!!"

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41. @cheriagata6408, September 2024
"@evylouis3122 actually denigrating blacks is every black person’s business! Like it or not we are all lumped as one! Frankly Haitians have a rich history of fighting for themselves and others including the USA. We have to learn to stick up for one another!"

** 42, @FreeAtLast-d8n, September 2024
"@Michael-w2d3g What’s a tether?"

** 43. @goldenfreedom7361, September 2024
"@lorrainehurt3044  All love my sister.❤️"

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44. @byronhay1648, September 2024
"@judymuttari5929  Sir, by definition, as long as you are of African descent, you are black. And they treat us all the same way. No matter where you come from we’re are in the same boat; and have been and should be supporting each other. Stop the division. Bob Marley and Marcus Garvey (African Jamaicans) spoke for all blacks and other oppressed people."

** 45. @goldenfreedom7361,September 2024
"@cheriagata6408  most certainly. Totally agreed... This is the right time to pass such infos, and be teachers to those that have no idea why they are  who they are philosophically about Haiti/Haitians.. What may seem bitter for Haitians now, will turned out to be a blessing. Watch and see. ONE L❤️VE. Stay positive, and stay blessed 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿"

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46. @lorrainehurt3044, September 2024
"@goldenfreedom7361  Thawadah my brother. Shalawam ❤️🙏🏿"

** 47. @goldenfreedom7361, September 2024
"@lorrainehurt3044  You are welcome anytime. And may peace be you as well always. Inshallah...🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿❤️"

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48. @PowerWithinMe-tm6yt, September 2024
" @cheriagata6408 👏👏👏👏 thank you ❤❤"

** 49. @blackfreethinker2525, September 2024
"This

Non

Divesting

Ethnic

Black

American

DEFINITELY HAS BEEN!

Don't MESS with Ayiti! 🇭🇹"

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50. @lorrainehurt3044, September 2024
"@AntarrahGilkes  I know about Garvey and the 60s. It's 2024. Who has stood up for us since then? We were fighting for Apartheid in 90s, Rawanda. Always fighting for Africa. Look even at the CBC, they aren't worth a penny. We've always spoken for other groups. We spoke out when Katrina hit Haiti. We spoke out for Puerto Rico a couple years ago. Get my drift. It's been decades since any other groups have spoken up for the crimes and mistreatment of us."

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51. @cynthiabakerwoodard, September 2024
"Just a new twist on an old practice: always some type of movement in our community for some segment to separate from the larger black community to identify with the dominant culture. It is complicated and sad. It is based in fear and historic self-hatred. More recently, over the last couple of decades, we saw black self-hatred grow in the manifestation of public degradation and hate toward black women. We failed to see where this was heading. I don’t believe that we are truly surprised that it is estimated that an alarming percentage of polled black men plan to vote for white supremacy to control our nation going forward. Can’t blame Trump. He has consistently been transparent about his beliefs and commitment to his feelings about black folks for decades."

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52. @blackfreethinker2525, September 2024
" @Michael-w2d3g  divestor babble."

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53. @senica41, September 2024
"BLACK AMERICANS NEED TO WORRY ABOUT BLACK AMERICANS ❤"

** 54.@speedial3696, September 2024
"@lorrainehurt3044 in what are expecting help from Africa when the majority of are still being oppressed by super power nations .

These poor souls are in worse predicaments than we are."

Have compaction my friend and make the right arguments."

** 55. @whatstherealproblem7513, September 2024
"Because someone said that when the immigrants come to America and get in politics they fight against reparations and this goes for all immigrants that get in politics they also say they are tired of immigrants getting all the good tangibles while black Americans getting turned down."

** 56. @mammawlee, September 2024
"Thank you! That is a good question!"

** 57. @samuelhntr1986, September 2024
"@cheriagata6408 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾👍🏾🙏🏾"

** 58. @CindyPage-n3m, October 2024
"AMEN 🙏🙌"
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Here's the second version of my comment that I attempted to add to this discussion sub-thread on Oct. 19, 2024 at 10:56 PM:

Azizip171
"@FreeAtLast-d8n  "tether" (when used as a noun) is a derogatory lineage population referent for Black people from the Caribbean, Africa, and elsewhere who emigrate to the United States. This referent is used by Black people who are FBA/ADOS and their supporters or Black people who are influenced by those lineage movements. In no way am I supportive of this usage."
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My first version of this comment included a sentence such as "For more information about Foundational Black Americans (FBA) and American Descendants Of Slaves (ADOS) as well as information about the meaning of the term "tether" read my pancocojams post entitled "Article Excerpts About The Population Referents "ADOS" (American Descendants Of Slaves) And "FBA" (Foundational Black Americans)".
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I believe that this meaning of the word "tether" was coined around 2021 by FBA's leader and spokesperson Tariq Nasheed. According to Tariq Nasheed and other FBAs/ADOS, Black people who emigrate to the United States from the Caribbean, Africa, and elsewhere are fleeing their countries and "tethering" (attaching) themselves to the United States for economic and other reasons that benefit them but negatively impact foundational Black Americans. People who do this are called "tethers"

Here's the link to that June 2024 post (which I didn't add to either version of the comment that I attempted to add to that sub-thread:

https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/06/article-excerpts-about-population.html

I plan to publish a pancocojams post about the word "tether" ASAP and will add that link to this post.

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