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Tuesday, August 17, 2021

The West African Referent "Toubab" Doesn't Only Mean "White Person"

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest revision: March 2, 2022

This pancocojams post presents excerpts of several reprints of online articles about the West African referent "Toubab". 

The content of this post is presented for linguistics and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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Click these links for closely related pancocojams posts:  https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/07/is-nigerian-word-oyinbo-oyibo-insulting.html "Is The Nigerian Word "Oyinbo" ("Oyibo") An Insulting Referent? and https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/08/yevu-and-obroni-ghanaian-referents-for.html "Yevu" And "Obroni" (Ghanaian Referents For White People And For Foreigners, Including Black People Who Were Weren't Born & Raised In Ghana).

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COMPLETE ONLINE ARTICLES ABOUT THE WORD "TOUBAB"
These articles are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.

Article #1
From 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toubab
"Toubab" , "Toubabou" or "Toubob" is a Central and West African* name for a person of European descent ("whites"). Used most frequently in The Gambia, Senegal, Guinea, and Mali, and also in Ivory Coast, the term can be derogatory by itself, but it is also frequently associated with "white person" or “colonizer”. The word can also be applied to any perceived traveler, usually only those with a different phenotype, up to foreign-raised locals (thus with a different accent) or visiting expatriates. In Alex Haley's book Roots, the word is spelled "toubob", and the phrase "toubob fa" (kill toubob) is used several times.

In God's Bits of Wood, authored by Senegalese Sembene Ousmane, the natives call the French colonizers toubab (singular) or toubabs (plural).

In the fourth episode of the miniseries ROOTS, Kizzy refers to her slave masters as "toubab," or white.

A verb in the Wolof language means "to convert" (missionaries during colonial times, being whites coming from Europe). The word could have derived from the two bob (two shillings) coin of pre-decimalization United Kingdom.[citation needed]

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In Ghana, the word used in the local Akan languages for a white person (or any foreigner) is Obroni.

In Nigeria, the word used for a white person is Oyibo.

In Togo and Benin, the word used for a white person is yovo.

In Burkina Faso's most common language (Moore), the word for white person is nassara. In the country's west, more popular languages (e.g., Dyula, Bambara and Mandinka) use the word toubabou.

In East Africa and Eastern part of the Democratic Republic of Congo, the word used for a white person or a foreigner is muzungu.

In both the Democratic Republic of the Congo and the Republic of the Congo another word used for a white person is mondele (or mundele)."
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*The Gambia,
Senegal, Guinea, and Mali, and The Ivory Coast are all located in West Africa. This article doesn't indicate which in which Central African nations the word "toubab" is used.

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Article #2 
From 
https://www.accessgambia.com/information/toubab.html Toubabs in Gambia
"Ethnic group

 Meaning of Toubab: (Tubaab)

In Gambia, as well as the rest of West Africa, the word means a Caucasian person, though this word can also describe a person of lighter skin. This is not a derogatory statement, simply a label meant to describe. As the widely understood sentiment in The Gambia is that toubabs are rich, expect cries of toubabs to be accompanied by pleas for money or minties, from adults as well as children. Basically, if you are a foreigner, and especially if you are light-skinned, expect to be described by this name.

 Origins:

It is not clear how European people came to be called toubab in Gambia. Some say it is a corruption of the word Tabib which in Arabic means doctor. Note: missionaries and doctors in the imperial era were people from Europe.

The other theory is that it is derived from the word "two bob" 2 shilling coinage from the pre-decimalization period of British currency when The Gambia was still colonised by Britain."

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Also, read the article 
"Don't Call Me Toubab" by Aurore Iradukunda at https://africasacountry.com/2016/11/dont-call-me-toubab 

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Saturday, July 24, 2021

Is The Nigerian Word "Oyinbo" ("Oyibo") An Insulting Referent?

This is Part I in a two part pancocojams series about the Nigerian referent "Oyinbo". 

The first excerpt in Part I quotes a portion of a 1966 book by Dr. Fela Sowande entitled 
The Mind Of A Nation- The Yoruba Child. That portion of that book is from the chapter entitled Yoruba Names And Their Meanings" and refers to the Yoruba name "Fatoyinbo".

The second excerpt in Part I of this pancocojams series is from a Wikipedia page about the word "Oyinbo" and the third excerpt is from a 2009 article that was written by a Nigerian professor Kola Tubosun. Selected comments from that article's discussion thread are also  included in that pancocojams post.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/07/is-nigerian-childrens-chant-oyinbo.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. Part II presents various online excerpts about what appears to be a widely known Nigerian children's chant/song called "Oyinbo pepper" (also given as "Oyinbo pepe" or "Oyibo Pepe".)

The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural purposes and onomastic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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Click  https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/08/yevu-and-obroni-ghanaian-referents-for.html "Yevu" And "Obroni" (Ghanaian Referents For White People And For Foreigners, Including Black People Who Were Weren't Born & Raised In Ghana) fpr a closely related pancocojams post.

Also, click  https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/08/the-west-african-referent-toubab-doesnt.html for the closely related pancocojams post entitled The West African Referent "Toubab" Doesn't Only Mean "White Person".
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EXCERPT #1
[Pancocojams Editor's Note]
This is an excerpt from a chapter of Fela Sowande's 1966 book The Mind Of A Nation- The Yoruba Child (Ibadan: Ibadan University). This portion of that chapter entitled "Yoruba Names And Their Meanings" gives the meaning of and an explanation for the Yoruba skin color name "Fatoyinbo". Dr. Sowande (b. Abeokuta, Nigeria, May 1905; d. Ravenna, Ohio, United States, 13 March 1987) was a Nigerian musician, composer, and scholar. 

I met Dr. Sowande when he lectured for a brief time at the University of Pittsburgh somewhere around 1973.  Dr. Sowande gifted a friend of my with the manuscript for his book and that friend lent it to me because he was aware of my interest in Nigerian culture and my interest in naming traditions. I published this chapter on Yoruba names around 2010 on my no longer active cocojams.com cultural blog, and later on this pancocojams blog because of my interest in Nigerian culture and because of my interest in names. 

Click 
http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2014/11/yoruba-names-and-their-meeanings-by.html to read that entire chapter. Everything except the words given in brackets are quoted from that chapter.
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The Mind Of A Nation- The Yoruba Child" by Fela Sowande
Page 39 "Yoruba Names And Their Meanings"
...“Yoruba names are therefore much more than mere identification tags, much more than mere "luggage labels"; each has a reason (a) for being just what it is; and (b) for being given to a particular individual. Yoruba names embody circumstances of birth, history, family, religion, or some other equally pertinent facts relevant to that particular individual bearing the name. Yoruba names are, in fact, in most cases contractions of whole sentences....

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[name given as #41]. "Fatoyinbo"
= Ifa to Oyinbo = Ifa is to be equated with Oyinbo. Here, "Oyinbo" is not [Note "not" is underlined] the white man," but the Yoruba child of Yoruba parents who at birth is light-skinned, and is held to bring good fortune to himself and to all connected with him.

Note on "Fatoyinbo"
This Yoruba name is salutary reminder that the most obvious-and seemingly correct amplification of Yoruba compound words is just as likely as not to lead us astray, and give us the most incorrect derivation of meanings. It pinpoints the fact that "derivation by amplification" could well be the very thing that guides us, not to, but away from the proper meaning of a compound word. With nothing else but the name to go on, "Fatoyinbo" would naturally be simplified into "Ifa to Oyinbo," and since the Yoruba word for "the white man" is "Oyinbo," the amplification would almost be bound to be understood as "Ifa is to be equated with the white man," and this might well be held to imply that Ifa is as important, or as great, or as powerful as "the white man," who is (supposedly) all these things, on account of his very considerable scientific and artistic achievements. If we remembered to ask: "How did traditional Ifa come to take note of the white man is such a direct manner?" we would certainly not lack those-including those Yorubas who see no good in Ifa anyway-who would readily, if not anxiously advance the theory that this is proof positive that Ifa is of fairly recent growth, or that this is but one instance of those adulterations of which they have complained, perpetrated by unscrupulous Ifa Priests whose sole aim is to extort money from their unsuspecting and innocent victims. If we had to depend solely on the Yoruba name, and on the supposed infallibility of derivation through amplification, there would be no answer to the above, or any similar, theory.

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We have, however, two ways of approach open to us. One is to be found in the legend concerning Orunmila, which is qute relevant and interesting enough, but deals with the light-skinned Yoruba man-the 'Oyinbo' or Ebo-as a general type. The other deals with the Primordial Ebo, the Oyinbo who is in every sense a Yoruba man born and bred, and who is apparently the "archetype for all the subsequent Ebos; for this Primordial Ebo, we turn to a Stanza of Ifa, from the Odu "Ogunda-meji."

The legend relates that, one day, a hunter went out to hunt, and climbed a tree; there he saw someone walking backwards and forwards on the same spot; this hunter captured the person, and found that it was a woman; the hunter took her home; he offered her meat, but she would not eat; yam, but she would not eat. Then, one day, as this hunter was coming back from the forest, he came upon Orunmila, who was offering hen's eggs to Esu. Orunmila gave one egg to the hunter; this woman began to pick up the egg-shells tp eat. Orunmila thereupon offered her an egg, which she accepted and ate. The hunter was suprised, and told Orunmila that since he had captured this woman, she had not eaten anything; he offered to sell her to Orunmila, and Orunmila bought the woman for 20,000 cowries. Orunmila asked the hunter for the name of the woman, to which the hunter replied that when he first found her, she was apprently suffered from giddiness, so they named her "Oyi" [Giddiness].

Orunmila now enquired from Ifa whether this woman-the daughter of Olokun-would bear him children. She was told to sacrifice twenty chickens and two thousand cowries in twenty places; she did, and gave birth to twenty children; then she offered sacrifice a second time, thirty chickens and two thousand cowries in thirty places, and she gave birth to thirty children. Then she conceived again. This time, she and Orunmila decided to pay a visit to her father, the Olukun [the Sea-God]. Olokun received them with great joy, and gave Oyi some hot liquor to drink; which she did.

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When her baby arrived, it was white-skinned, and it was said that it was the hot liquor that had peeled off its dark skin; and so the baby was called "Ebo," literally, eyiti o bo" that which has been peeled.This child was born in the house of Olokun. Orunmila then told the child to make his home with Olokun.

Here the Stanza of Ifa ends, but Olokun has always been recognized as a fabulously wealthy god. This grandchild of his, Ebo, is therefore like the grandchild of a multimillionaire, who is the apple of his grandfather's eye, and who attracts incredible good fortune to himself, and to all with whom he is connected.

With the foregoing as a background, and bearing in mind that, in some places in Yorubaland, Fatoyinbo is pronounced "Fatoyibo," we may [Note: "may" is underlined] also amplify this name into "Ifa ti Oyi bo," and-as the traditionalist say that "ifa is Oro" [Oro ni Ifa]- we may suggest that "Ifa ti Oyi bo" is really doing duty for "Oro ti Oyi bo-the Spirit child whose dark skin was peeled by Oyi," thorugh the hot liquor she drank while carrying the baby. All this may mean exactly nothing, and the usefulness of it warns us against being too fully committed to the very obvious, and being too fully dependent on the Yoruba Dictionary. It is likely, however, that the Stanza from "Ogunda-meji" just quoted may have supplied the origin of the Yourba term "Oyinbo" for the white man, who may have been thought to have his natural skined 'peeled' somewhere, sometime, for some mysterious reason. Or perhaps he was thought to be the descendant of the first "Ebo," the child of Oyi and Orunmila?

Not all Yorubas (or Africans) are dark-skinned. Some are fair-skinned, and some are light-skinned-the albinos. It is said that the traditional Yoruba believed that Orisanla does the moulding of the individual person when the sun is below the horizon. Orisanla moulds the head only, but within the head is the complete man, in embryo. In those individual cases where Orisanla does not complete his job before dawn, the person is consequently light-skinned; where Orisanla does not complete his job until after dawn, the person is consequently an albino.

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Inability to complete the moulding of the person while the sun is still below the horizon is said to be due either to available material proving refractory, or to mistakes having been made which need to be corrected, time being thus lost.

According to this view, man is not mass-produced. Each individual is given specific attention on specific lines indicated by his "case-history," by which the "Oke" child is born completely covered by his amniotic sac, and an "Olugbodi" has six toes, etcetera. But the albino is one thing, the European is quite another matter altogether."
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This quote is the complete section of Dr. Fela Sowande's writing on the name "Fatoyinbo".

Read comment #9 in Excerpt #3 below for the name "Ifatoyinbo". That is the same name as "Fatoyinbo".
 
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EXCERPT #2
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyinbo
"Oyinbo is a Nigerian word used to refer to Caucasians.[1][2][3] In Nigeria, it is generally used to refer to a person of European descent or people perceived to not be culturally African. The word is pronounced oyinbo in Yoruba language and oyibo in Igbo speaking areas. Both terms are valid in Pidgin English.

Etymology

The word may be coined from the Yoruba translation of “peeled skin” or “skinless,” which, in Yoruba, translates to “yin” – scratch “bo” – off/peel; the "O" starting the word "Oyinbo" is a pronoun. Hence, "Oyinbo" literally translates to "the man with a peeled off skin".[4][5] Other variations of the term in Yoruba language include Eyinbo, which is usually shorted as "Eebo".[6]

Oyinbo is also used in reference to nonwhite people who are foreign, Westernised, or otherwise perceived to not be culturally African, such as liberated black slaves from the Americas (known as Saros) who resettled in Nigeria during the late 19th and early 20th century and were called Oyibo ocha ("African Europeans") by the local population.[7] Sierra Leonean missionaries, according to Ajayi Crowther, a Yoruba, and John Taylor, an Igbo, descendants of resettled slaves, were referred to as oyibo ojii (Igbo: black foreigners) or "native foreigners" by the people of Onitsha in the late 19th century.[8][9]

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In Central and West Africa the name for a person of European descent is Toubab.

In Ghana the word used for a 'white' person or foreigner is 'Obroni' in the local languages, those of the Akan family."...:

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EXCERPT #3 
From 
https://ktravula.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/is-oyinbo-a-derogatory-word-2/  "Is "Oyinbo" A Derogatory Word?" Posted by Kola Tubosun, August 27, 2009
"While teaching my second Yoruba class on Wednesday, I had mentioned the word “Oyinbo” to my students in passing, within a conversation, when I didn’t intend to, and when the topic of discussion at the moment could have proceeded a bit smoothier had I not committed the second unforgivable error of subsequently attempting to explain its usage in Nigeria. I have had cause to think about the word usage for quite a while now and I have mostly questioned its use, so I might have been a little too enthusiastic in responding when the questioner took cue from my explanation on a totally different matter and asked whether when I said that children called foreigners “Oyinbo” in my country, I meant that they used the word to make jest of them.

….Now, let’s examine the word, “Oyinbo”, which is supposed to refer to “(a) White Person/Caucasian/Non Black-African”. The etymology has never been agreed on, and even though a famous scholar once wrote that it is derived from “Oyin + bo” which roughly means “(Someone) peeled by the honeybee,” the word still doesn’t make much sense on its own. The word is used today both in urban, rural, and in educated circles to refer to the foreigner, most especially those with fairer skin colour (African Americans included). Those excluded from the authentic list of Oyinbos and are often called into the list mostly in jest are the really fairskinned Africans, and the Albinos. Every other person with European/Caucasian blood in them are Oyinbos, and they are called by that name both in public and in private, which brings a huge question on whether the users of the word ever mean it as a derogatory expression. The answer of course would be a NO. However, I personally have never considered it a compliment of any sort when while walking with a white/caucasian person (even within a campus environment), passers-by most of whom are complete and unwelcome strangers yell “Oyinbo!” while pointing and giggling excitely at the now totally embarrased stranger. …”So, when used in a civil, polite conversation, Oyinbo is mainly a harmless term of reference, but it is insulting only when it is yelled out loud, especially by a(n unaquainted, unfriendly) stranger.” How does one explain all of this easily in a class of an elementary course on language and culture without raising red flags and unnecessarily preconditioning the mind of impressionable students to a hostile, negative cultural experience? That was my dilemma on that beautiful Wednesday afternoon.

I resolved the situation in favour of common sense, and the concise explanation I gave before moving to the next topic was a “No please, that’s not a derogative word. It is a fun word of endearment used by the Yoruba to refer to those they perceive differently because of their skin colour.” But I left the class a little worried that I myself do not totally agree with that description for its lack of depth and breath to capture all that the word “oyinbo” entails, and for the way that definition might be wrongly construed as a racist/derogatory tag. Fact is, the image that flashed across my mind when I think about it is that of a cacophonous horde of dirty little stray children chanting “Oyinbo pepper” after a foreign pedestrian on a public Lagos park, and totally enjoying the embarassment on the face of that now despairing foreigner who curses under her breath, wonders what went wrong with this world, and wishes she had not taken up the invitation to come visit Nigeria. Yorubaland.

What do you think?"
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Selected comments from this article's discussion thread (with numbers added for referencing purposes only).

1.
rayo says:

August 27, 2009

"i think on its own, oyinbo is not a derogatory word, but i suppose like most words, its meaning depends on the context in which it is being used, that’s what determines whether its derogatory or not. or is there anor word to describe a white man in yoruba coz i seem to kno of none.

p.s i’d forgotten the phrase ‘oyinbo peper’ till u used it here, made me smyl nd remember being young…"
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Some other comments that mention the chant "Oyinbo pepper" are included in Part II of this pancocojams series.

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2. adeleke says:

August 27, 2009 

"I think of names like Oguntoyinbo, Sangotoyinbo, Adetoyinbo, Oladoyinbo,Ifatoyinbo and agree that Oyinbo is both a descriptive name and a term of endearment. Indeed, to call a light complexioned African, an “oyinbo “is mostly a compliment. Indeed, an educated, well spoken person may also be called so. I recall the phrase “afinju oyinbo”, for instance.

As for the root of the word, more research needs to be done."

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3.  Doyinbo says:

July 27, 2010 

"Most people do not know the true origin but it is not a derogatory word but actually is a word of superiority, reverence, greatness. pardon me but I cannot remember the yoruba scholar since this dates back to my childhood and the search for the meaning of my name. Oyinbo is a youruba word used for someone you lift high, superior and revere for example the yoruba surnames aladetoyinbo, odetoyinbo, oguntoyinbo. When the white man came they were originally thought as spirits ( superior beings) and they worshiped them hence they gave them the name “oyinbo” . The name or word precedes the whiteman"

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4. Kola Tubosun says:

January 21, 2011 

"Thank you everyone for the interesting comments. This article was written over a year ago, and little did I know while writing it that it would generate this much attention more than a year later. Like you would see in the content of the post, I did not posit that the word was derogatory and I wrote it so as to bring out perspectives many of which have been enlightening.

I know that the word is inherently harmless – as could be seen in the many names that we give ourselves – Oguntoyinbo (“The god of Iron is just like the white man”), Adetoyinbo (“Royalty equates one to the white man”) etc. I also know that it is usually hard to explain it to a foreigner without sounding awkward. The difference between this word as the other one used in a more offensive way in American English is that while one carries the burden of history of segregation, prejudice and violence, one carries a kind of awe and friendliness. Both however describe people different from us because of their skin colour and race, and that’s where the similarity ends.

There are a few racially offensive words in Yoruba, but Oyinbo is not one of them. Thanks again, everyone."

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5. The dude says:

July 8, 2011 

"It is not derogatory as some scamm baiters would have you believe. It has been used long before the white man came along"

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6. Oladipo says:

November 29, 2011 

"As an Ogbomoso-born oyinbo who spent his childhood in Yorubaland and has enjoyed several return visits as an adult, I must say that I have NEVER heard the term “oyinbo” used in a derogatory way. In fact, as one on the receiving end of the term, I always knew it as a respectful term of greeting and reference. Whenever I heard the term, I knew I was being welcomed. I would be delighted to be hearing a crowd of children screaming that term right now, because it would mean that I was back home."

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7. Caroline Gurney (@cmgurney) says:

December 22, 2011 

"Hi Kola. Thanks for this interesting post. I came across it whilst trying to research the origin of the word “oyinbo”. I’m an English woman who lived in Lagos for over three years during the 1980s. We were told that the word originally meant “ghost” or “spirit” and was applied to white people when they first appeared in Yorubaland because their pale skins looked ghostly. I don’t know whether this is true but it seems to tie in with what Doyinbo has written above.

During my time in Lagos I was called Oyinbo in two ways. The first was by small children who would shout it at me cheerfully. I think that was because white people were still not a common sight in some areas. It also drew attention to the small, cheerful, sweet looking little child who had shouted and sometimes led to a Naira or a packet of sweets coming their way. A good reason for them to continue the practice of shouting cheerfully at all white people 🙂

The second usage was by grown-ups, in anger, as in “you Oyinbos think you can come over here and …”. That usage was derogatory, and technically racist, but totally understandable given the colonial history and the huge wealth disparity between white expatriates in Nigeria and most of the local population. It never offended me and was not a common occurence. As a guest in Nigeria, I was generally treated well and the most common word used towards me was the polite “Madam”.

What saddens me now is the way “Oyinbo” is used in a derogatory way by young Nigerians living here in the UK. Do a Twitter search and you’ll see how it is used for put downs and insults. Today I saw, “Oyinbo ppl age so disgustingly”, “My dad goes oyinbo’s have bad skin there bodies crumple loool” and “These oyinbo toddlers on the bus need a beating”.
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8. Kola Tubosun says:

December 22, 2011 

"Thank you Caroline for the insightful comment. Since I made this post over a year ago it has received one of the most robust commentary by readers from around the world. I agree with your assessment. I guess it is easy to explain it to other foreigners now by simply referring them to your reply. Thank you again."

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9. Abayomi says:

March 12, 2012 

"Haba!!!! Yoruba that posted here do not understand Yoruba language very well. Yoruba is a tonal language and we love to contract words. “Toyinbo” as described above has nothing to do with a white man, green man or blue man. Rather, Toyinbo is a contraction of ” to yin bo ni ete” where “ni” and “li” are interchangeable i.e “ni” becomes “li” as in Ifatoyinbolete, Oguntoyinbolete, Shangotoyinbolete, Odetoyinbolete, Olatoyinbolete, Adetoyinbolete, Omotoyinbolete, et al

Ifatoyinbo means IFA (GOD of Wisdom, the wisdom energy of the Great Spirit, Olodumare) is of high esteem, you ‘ll praise it till your lips come off.

Oguntoyinbo means Ogun (Deity of iron/metal/technology/civilization, the creative energy of the Great Spirit) is of high esteem, you ‘ll praise it till your lips come off.

Shangotoyinbo means Shango (Deity of Justice, the retributive energy of the Great Spirit) is of high esteem, you ‘ll praise it till your lips come off.

Odetoyinbo means Ode (Hunter, a prized hunter) is of high esteem, you ‘ll praise it till your lips come off.

Olatoyinbo means Ola (Wealth/Blessings from the Great Spirit) is of high esteem, you ‘ll praise it till your lips come off.

Adetoyinbo means Ade (Kingship/Royalty) is of high esteem, you ‘ll praise it till your lips come off.

Omotoyinbo means Omo (Child, a blessed child) is of high esteem, you ‘ll praise it till your lips come off.

Thus, it means the respective family is appreciative of the circumstances that gave birth to the named person.

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10. Abayomi says:

March 12, 2012 
"So why do we call Europeans “oyinbo”? White in Yoruba language is “funfun” or “ala”. However, Funfun or Ala is never used to refer to a person but the pureness of a spirit. In Yoruba, “oyinbo” is used to refer to a person that lacks melanin. In addition, the Mediterranean type like the Lebanese and the Israeli are called “kora”.

The English calls an african “black”, the Germans say “schwarz”, the Spanish and the Portuguese will say “negro”, the Italian says “nero” and the French will say “noir”. They all describe the dark skin complexion (melanin). Is that a derogatory word?

Thus, why are we making a mountain out of a molehill?"

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11.  Gbolabo Obasa says:

July 6, 2012 

"In fact one of the “Odus” (meaning Chapters) in Ifa, the Yoruba traditional religion links the African, the yoruba in particular to the Caucasian as children of a mother called “Oyin” not pronunced as “Oyin” meaning honey. That Oyin is the same root word for Oyinbo. Now i don’t think one would want to insult what is concieved to be part of your root."

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12. Tunde says:

August 30, 2012 

"To be holy is great. To be holier than thou is nasty. That is how a word, no matter or sacred, takes its meaning from its context. I am fair in complexion and i am often esteemed as oyinbo. The very root of the word is my concern. The word consits of two morphemes: Oyin – bee or honey and ibo – a yellowish sweet sour fruit. Perhaps the juice or bee of ibo is whiter than other bees. Yorubas usually decribe people by what they look like or behave like or speak like. I dare say Oyibos are so called because they are whitish like the juice or bee of ibo."

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13. Chantay says:

January 30, 2013 

"Please explain to me this. I am African American, so i am of african descent. I have a friend who is Nigerian, but born in America. Wouldnt that person be considered and Oyinbo also? Why would I be called an Oyinbo and not her when technically we are the same? And I am the same complexion as she is. CHOCOLATE. Even if it is not a word that is “considered” derogatory. To me, I would take it as such, especially considering the fact we are technically the same, but my nigerian friend just so happen to be blessed NOT to be taken through slavery. Why would we be any different? To me, I consider myself african, just uneducated on where my family is from. Not something that is my fault or most african americans fault for that matter. So to be called an Oyinbo, a foriegner, light skinned, white and whatever other reasons to be called it. I would be offended. For an african american who is very passionate about her family history and wanting to know where her family is from. It would be a sensative situation to be called a such word.

I agree with TED, JUST STOP USING IT.

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SelahSelah says:

March 7, 2013

"I am a Nigerian but I was born and have lived in London for all my life. When I go back home, as I like to call Nigeria, my mother-land, I am called ‘oyinbo’ by the kids, teens, and elderly. It is not in any way a derogatory term, rather it is more of a “look, another ‘foreigner'” statement. Obviously they do not call me oyinbo because of the colour of my skin, rather it is the fact that I do not live in Nigeria, and they can tell by my dress, accent, and mannerisms. I could see where the difficulty was in explaining this to your students, Prof, but any person who proclaims on this page that it is a negative term only need visit Nigeria and see that this is not the case. As stated above, the Europeans have words like ‘negro’ and ‘nero’ to describe so-called Blacks. It is those words, which are directed only at Blacks and, unlike the word ‘oyinbo’ do not include foreigners, which should be under scrutiny. The word ‘oyinbo’ existed before the White man came to Africa and stripped her of her wealth and pride and it shall remain there as long as Nigerians remain in Nigeria."

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Obasa Gbolabo says:

February 11, 2014 

"Chantay, please i beg of you to kindly get the right concept of the word and the attitude of the native users of the word before discarding it all together. The Yorubas who coined it use it not to insult but to praise! It is considered a good thing to be fair skinned by a lot of them. Not in terms of the fair person being superior however. It is also not used to mean you are an outcast or an outsider, being a bit different may be. It often suggests that one is sophisticated too. You can only tell anyone who misuses it stop it! It’s just like saying that calling someone “black” is bad! Nothing is wrong with being black except the wrong thinking people who think wrongly of it!"

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keletheardentfangirl says:

August 4, 2014 

"You are of African descent, yes. Are you actually African? No. Your’e friend is Nigerian, so therefore, she is not a foreigner. YOU are a foreigner. Therefore, you can be called an oyinbo. That is what you are, that is what you will always be called. That is just how it is. How can you even claim there not to be a difference between you and her? You are seen as oyinbo to Africans, and YOU CANNOT DICTATE WHAT A WHOLE PEOPLE CALL YOU."

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Thursday, August 1, 2019

Spice - Black Hypocrisy (Jamaican Dancehall song about Colorism)

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post showcases the 2018 Dancehall song "Black Hypocrisy" by Spice.

The official YouTube video for this song is included in this post along with lyrics and selected comments from that video's discussion thread.

Thanks to Spice for this music and video. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post.

Special thanks to Anonymous July 31, 2019 who alerted me about this song in the discussion thread for this closely related pancocojams post:

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LYRICS: BLACK HYPOCRISY [sung by Spice]
[Intro]
It's not what you expect me to say
But I'mma go ahead and say it anyway

[Verse]
('Cause) I was told I would reach further
If the colour of mi skin was lighter
And I was made to feel inferior
Cah society seh brown girls prettier
Mi love the way mi look
Mi love mi pretty black skin
Respect due to mi strong melanin
Proud of mi colour, love the skin that I'm in
Bun racism, demolish colourism
But the things weh mi a go seh
Yuh might not even have mi back
I get hate from my own race
Yes, that's a fact
'Cause the same black people dem seh I'm too black
And if yuh bleach out yuh skin dem same one come a chat

[Bridge]
Well, since yuh seh that I'm too black for you
I'll please yuh, do I look how you want me to?
Now I'm gonna see if you gonna say I'm too black for you
Or do I look pretty to you?

[Chorus]
Black people hypocrisy
Leave the girls dem with low self-esteem
Unu gwaan like seh yuh haffi brown fi pretty
Fuck di whole of dem dirty inequity
Dis a black people hypocrisy
Leave the girls dem with low self-esteem
I'm black and beautiful, I know I'm pretty
Fuck the whole of dem dirty inequity

[Verse]
Dem seh mi black til mi shine, til mi look dirty
And it's the only line in life that will ever hurt me
Because it never come from a Caucasian, trust mi
Dis a black colorism big hypocrisy
So if I wake up tomorrow look like a browning, oh!
Automatically mi would a carry di swing
Nuff a unnuh nah go like di song yah mi sing
Because nuff a unnuh guilty fi di same damn thing
What's your perception of a pretty woman (tell me)
Is it straight nose with her hair well long? (Tell me)
Black girls lose self-confident
Cause they attach the word "ugly" to our complexion
[Bridge]
Well, since yuh seh that I'm too black for you
I'll please yuh, do I look how you want me to?
Now I'm gonna see if you gonna say I'm too black for you
Or do I look pretty to you?

[Chorus]

Black people hypocrisy
Leave the girls dem with low self-esteem
Unu gwaan like seh yuh haffi brown fi pretty
Fuck di whole of dem dirty inequity
Dis a black people hypocrisy
Leave the girls dem with low self-esteem
I'm black and beautiful, I know I'm pretty
F&&k* the whole of dem dirty inequity

[Outro]
(It's not what you expect me to say
But I'mma go ahead and say it anyway)
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*This word is fully spelled out in this lyric page.


[Verified Commentary From Spice]
"What inspired this song?
The moments that inspired this song was comments on social media from other dark-skinned women, or I should say other black women themselves. ‘Cause there’s different shades in black community. And I believe that they’re always degrading the darker skin girls, and there was a particular girl that went on a popular social media, and she was downplaying me because of the color of my skin. I mean, in Jamaica, I think society makes them feel like you have to have a lighter color to look better, or to get through society better. And so, I think those were things that inspired this song."

Source: https://genius.com/Spice-black-hypocrisy-lyrics

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Click https://bashymagazine.com/article/2018/10/23/spice-premieres-black-hypocrisy-music-video Spice Premieres "Black Hypocrisy" Music Video by BASHY STAFF, October 23, 2018 for an article about Spice's promotion of this song in which she appeared to "bleach" her skin.

Here are quotes from that brief article:
"Yesterday Spice broke the internet. In what was seems to have been done as part of the promotional run for her upcoming EP, Captured, the dancehall artist appeared to have bleached her skin.

[...]

The artist said that Black people in particular have had plenty to say about the complexion of her skin, with regards to her being “too black” and “dirty”...The stunt was the prelude to the release of the artist’s music video, “Black Hypocrisy”, which discusses the negative effects of colourism while promoting self-love."...

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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Spice - Black Hypocrisy (Official Music Video)



SpiceOfficialYoutube, Published on Oct 23, 2018
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Statistics as of August 1, 2019 at 1:54 PM
total # of views - 4,486,206 views

total # of likes - 199K

total # of dislikes - 6.3K

total # of comments -18,448
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Selected comments from this video's discussion thread, with numbers added for referencing purposes only:
2018
1. nookie343
"I’m a 13 year old dark skinned girl this video made me cry because I get made fun of for being a dark skinned this one girl even said “ ew you are to dark” and someone even asked my brother “why is your sister so dark” and he’s brown skinned. Sometimes I would even pray to be lighter I even searched up how to bleach your skin so when spice said “I get hate from my own race” or “ I please ya do I look how you want me to” or “do I look pretty to you” it hit me hard because I try to change for people I cant even wear black because if I do and walk into a room people would be like where’d she go i can’t see her even when the lights were on I’m the class but I can’t change how I look and I wish you did not change your skin color spice you were and inspiration to me and thanks for making this so I love it."

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2. DanaQuist2
"Stay strong, I can relate but you will grow out of it and look back and think what was I insecure about? I think about it from time to time but I’m happy with my skin tone and that’s all that matters not the validation of the opposite sex or girls around me"

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3. Naomi Why
"Oh Girl, im sorry you're experiencing this. Stay confident no matter what they say and know that not everyone thinks light skin is more beautiful.
Much love!"

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4. Nay slays
"Ummm spice did not change her color..its makeup..she was tryna prove a point but anyway i am sorry u went through that though😢😢"

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5. Sam
"If you feel beautiful others will see it eventually. Dont let them get to you. God put beutity in a variety of forms. We are like flowers all look different. :)"

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6. DJ Miller
"Hush honeybee although I don't know you I bet you are beautiful inside and out. Love your black skin and the next time someone tells you you are too black just say, "No baby you just lack Melanin." "

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10. Melisha Davis
"nookie343 I can relate to what your saying 😞"

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11. Shanique Ellis
"I can relate so much... I'm from Jamaica people don't play for real.

P.s she didn't bleach her skin"

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12. Ergo Sum Adrieyl
"You’re a young melanin queen. Embrace your beauty. God loves you and so do we."

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13. Jess E
"You are a beautiful black Queen. Put the crown on your head and don't let anyone ever tell you any different."

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14. Nikki Jaay
"Baby I'm so sorry your going through this never be afraid to talk to an adult and don't be afraid to stand up for yourself you sound so wise for your age God bless you honey love yourself first God made you in his image there is nothing wrong with u boo"

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15. Fritzlanda Andre
"One day you’ll grow and love yourself. I’m really dark too. And elementary and middle school was the hardest for me. I had to start appreciating and loving myself ... and trust me when I say that you’re beautiful ❤️"

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16. Vincy Blessing
"Don't worry hunny we've all been through that phase, coming from a family that mostly all my cousins are lighter in complexion and I use to feel inferior among them but don't worry hunny you're young and a teenager in this stage in life you're concerned about what society thinks is ''beautiful'' but as you get older you'll be more self-confident and self and self acceptance and laugh as you look back of who the person you wanted to like , don't talk about he glow when you rum some oil or or cocoa butter and you see that glow! omgg , darling your black is beautiful pretty pretty skin"

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17.Jacqueline Eze
"Black is beautiful..... Don't mind them grow up be stronger smarter and proud...."

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18. Antoinette Sekibo
"There are many things I had to unlearn as I grew older...like my hair as it grows from my head is beautiful, so is my dark skin. Dry hair should not be stigmatized either. We can moisturize. We were born dark and some were born white or light but NO ONE has control over the race they are born into. So don't allow anyone to use what they had no control over to make you feel bad. You remember your Creator wants you to look the way you do. That's why he made you the way you are. See yourself as the queen you are. Never let those broken people break you too.❤❤❤ You have a right to be happy with who you are."

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19. Sharon Nicholas
"Dear nookie (and every other "dark skinned" girl in this world, be of good courage, you are blessed with everything in excess. Beautiful melanated skin that absorbs sunlight, hair that defies gravity, ample behind, luscious lips, I can go on and on. Stones are only thrown at the ripest fruit."

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20. Cassandra LeSure
"nookie343 stay strong AND soft. whenever naysayers come your way, SMILE as BIG as you can! DON'T say a word and SASHAY your way on to your own business. The truth will set you free.. lies will bind you!"

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21. Anointed Touch
"Hi honey. Too many women can identify with you but as you grow you’ll realize that your skin is what makes you so beautiful. All of those people you think are pretty because of their skin you’ll grow up and they’ll be looking at you! You are beautiful, people say that because they are brainwashed by a European standard of beauty! By the way, she didn’t bleach her skin, it’s makeup just to make a statement in the video. Be encouraged! Blackness is royalty!"

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22. Jackie Jack
"Little sis, I was you. While reading your message, I heard the people from my past, saying those exact things. I will tell you what I wish I knew - your blackness is your superpower. You are beautiful. You can conquer anything. Stay strong sis. Just look at how many of us there are. You are not alone. #blackgirlmagic"

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23. Nastassia T
"Baby if anyone ask you why you too dark tell them to ask god. They are questioning gods work...and god dont make mistakes sweetie."

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2019
24. Miriam
"Most black woman can relate to this...even among our Black selves we are selective of "which" black is beautiful. They prefer lighter black women "yellow bone as they call them. Colorism must fall."

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25. India Modest
"JAMAICA NEES TO HAVE THIS ON REPEAT.... THEY HAVE THE MOST BLEACHED SKIN IN ALL OVER THE WORLD.... I LOVE DARK SKIN.... SMOOTH AS CHOCOLATE.... THERE IS NOTHING SO BEAUTIFUL."

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Sunday, May 19, 2019

Selected YouTube Discussion Thread Comments From Afro B's Drogba (Joanna) That Mention Black People's Skin Color

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part III of a three part pancocojams series on Afro B's 2018 hit song "Drogba" (Joanna).

Part III showcases Afro B's official music video "Drogba" ("Joanna") and provides selected comments about Black people's skin color that are found in that discussion thread.

A YouTube video of a light skinned girl dancing to Afro B's Drogba (Joanna) song is also included in this post along with my Editor's note about some skin color referents that are used by African Americans.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/05/hit-2018-afrobeats-song-by-united.html for Part I of this series. Part I showcases the official video of that song and includes lyrics and information about that song. Information about Afro B is also included in this post along with information about the song's featured artist Nigerian recording star Wizkid, about Ivory Coast footballer (soccer player) Didier, and about Afrobeats music.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/05/selected-youtube-discussion-thread.html for Part II showcases the official video of Afro B's song "Drogba" (Joanna) and presents selected comments from this video's discussion thread. General comments are featured in Part A and Part B features comments about this video trending online and some probably internet influences on it trending online, particularly a video on the YouTube Channel "Lily's Petal World" that included this song.

That "Lily's Petal World" video is given in the Addendum to that post.

The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Afro B, Wizkid, and all those who were involved with this video and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post, and thanks to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
I think discussions about skin color among Black people from different parts of the world are interesting and important, but might be misinterpreted because of cultural differences. In particular, who is or isn't a light skinned or a dark skinned Black person might mean something different to different populations of Black people throughout the world -not to mention the different meanings and connotations that those terms might have among White people in those same cultures and White people in other cultures.

In the United States, it's considered impolite and racially insensitive to directly refer to a person's skin color unless it's done as a means of helping to identify that particular person. In those cases, referents that mention skin color usually have no positive or negative connotations.

For example, this conversation is usually considered to be socially appropriate among Black Americans who know each other:
1st person- "Have you seen Jasmine today?"
2nd person- "Which Jasmine?"
1st person- "the light skin one..."
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But to demonstrate the potential for misunderstanding racial referents among Black people throughout the world, here's an excerpt from a 2013 pancocojams post about certain skin color referents in Jamaica http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/08/what-redbone-yellowbone-and-browning.html What "Redbone", "Yellowbone", and "Browning" Mean:
"Yesterday as I was YouTube searching through classic Dancehall Reggae songs, I happened upon two records - Buju Banton's "I Love My Browning" and Nardo Ranks "Them A Bleach".* Both 1992 songs from Jamaica include the word "browning". From the lyrics to both of those songs I understood that "browning" refers to a person or people with a particular skin color. However, as an African American, I thought that "browning" meant a Black person who has a brown skin color which was lighter than dark chocolate. I was wrong. That's what "brown" means in the United States, but the very similar term "browning" ("brownin") doesn't have that meaning in Jamaica, and therefore is an example of how a skin color referent can mean different things in different parts of the world.

*Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/08/buju-baton-i-love-my-browning-nardo.html for a pancocojams post that features those two Dancehall Reggae songs.

It turns out that in Jamaica, and it seems in some or most other Caribbean nations, "browning" means a Black person who is light skinned (fair complexioned).

[...]

Buju Banton's now classic 1992 song "I Love My Browning" was composed to honor that vocalist's light skinned girlfriend. However, that song probably increased the amount of skin bleaching to obtain a lighter skin color that occurred in Jamaica prior to that record's release and that song probably still influences skin bleaching that continues to be done in Jamaica and in other parts of the Caribbean.

Furthermore, "Controversy erupted over "Love Me Browning" which spoke of Banton's penchant for light-skinned women*: "I love my car I love my bike I love my money and ting, but most of all I love my browning." Some accused Banton of promoting a colonialist mindset and denigrating the beauty of dark skinned black women. In response, he released "Love Black Woman" which spoke of his love for dark-skinned beauties: "Mi nuh Stop cry, fi all black women, respect all the girls dem with dark complexion"." -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buju_Banton

Nardo Ranks song "Them A Bleach" addressed the issue of Black females bleaching their skin to lighten it:
"Dem ah bleach out dem skin
Gal me honour you!
A you nuh bleach out yuh skin
You nuh use no chemical fi look like a brownin"
-end of excerpt-

Of course, what is meant by "light skinned" in one culture, might be considered "brown skinned" in other cultures. I've noticed that some commenters in discussion threads for Nigerian Afrobeats music describing a person in that video as being "light skin" when African American would have described that person as being "brown skinned" (i.e. not "light skinned"). That may also be the case in Jamaica. It depends on what skin colors people are used to seeing as to how they would describe a person as light skinned or dark skinned or as "medium brown skin" or "regular" brown skin" ("regular" brown skin" is a term that is used among African Americans which has some perhaps unintended but still built in positive/negative connotations).

The terms "red bone" and "yellow bone" are less often used among African Americans as a means of describing certain skin tones that Black people have. A "red bone" is a Black person who has a reddish tinge to his or her skin. A "yellow bone" is a very light skinned Black person. That referent may have once referred to people who have a yellow hue to their skin, but now doesn't necessarily mean that. I think that these terms-and particularly "yellow bone" are less socially acceptable among African Americans than the skin color referents that I previously listed. The term "high yellow" which was used by African Americans to describe very light skinned Black people (most of whom could "pass for White" has been considered socially inappropriate since at least the 1990s if not earlier.

With regard to bleaching one's skin, I don't think that custom is common anymore in the United States among African Americans (since at least the 1990s if not earlier), but I'm not certain of that. However, from what I've read online "skin bleaching" appears to be quite common in Africa, in the Caribbean, and in Asian nations such as India.

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SHOWCASE VIDEO #1 : Afro B - Drogba (Joanna) Prod by Team Salut [Official Music Video]



Afro B, Published on Aug 2, 2018
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Statistics: May 19, 2019 as of 9:08 AM
Total # of views - 20,726,984
Total # of likes - 181,000
Total # of dislikes - 6,000
Total # of comments- 3,844

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD
(Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.)
1. Adeola Adeola, 2018
"I love how the main lady is a Black Queen, very beautiful and confident and none of this cosmetically enhanced bs. Just a Queen confident in her self. The energy throughout the vid was A1 - love it 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾"

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2. Kizzyy S, 2018
"All that natural hair ✊🏽"

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3. solfamilyj, 2018
"The first lady is Sherrie Silver. Who choreographed 'This is america-Childish Gambino'. Earlier this year.


#dancingqueen"

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4. Shawte14, 2018
"See CHOCOLATE EVERYWHERE 😍🍫✊🏾"

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5. too manyfishb, 2018
"Dark skin and brow skin representation 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍"
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"brow" is probably a typo for "brown"

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6. MostGorgeousOne, 2018
"Mobolaji Babalola I'm here for it!!
👍🏿👌🏾"

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7. Teal Tension, 2018
"I am pleasantly surprised😊"

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8. NANA TAKYI COLLINS, 2018
"Which one you prefer. Dark skin or light Skin?"
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Given her name, I believe that this commenter is probably from Ghana, West Africa.

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9. vyvianne Dame, 2018
"Dark skin baby"

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10. HORSEPOWER 305, 2019
"How about blacks are killing it. That sounds like to much division, if I'm dark, light, brown and every thing under the shade."

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11. james anderson, 2019
"@NANA TAKYI COLLINS Dark deep rich melanine women all day. I love them all 💯🔥💯🔥💯💯🔥💯😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍"


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12. Mr3Run4Fun, 2019
"It's funny we differentiate ourselves yet were nothing but black in the eyes of a white man. Do yourself a favour and stop discrimating amongst ourselves."

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13. NANA TAKYI COLLINS, 2019
"james anderson you damn right bro. That chocolate chip skin hmmmmmmm fine girls"

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14. NANA TAKYI COLLINS. 2019
"money way loooool damn bro 😂. 👍. We all have a preference. Natural light skin is nice. I hate bleached light skin"

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15. Taco Lover, 2019
"NANA TAKYI COLLINS I wish ppl didn’t bleach natural skin is the best skin 👏🏽💯"

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16. NANA TAKYI COLLINS, 2019
"Taco Lover loads of people bleach because of their insecurities. It just looks horrible when you look at them outside in the natural light you could really just tell the bleaching by looking at the pigmentation on the face against the pigmentation on their hands it’s like two different colours and can tell the pigmentation on the face has been lightened"

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17. Taco Lover, 2019
"NANA TAKYI COLLINS yeah it’s a shame black women need to start feeling secure and loving the skin they were born in, bc black is beautiful ❤️✊🏼✊🏽✊🏾✊🏿"

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18. NANA TAKYI COLLINS, 2019
"Taco Lover yeah man!! 💪🏿💪🏿. Coz at the end of the day bleaching does more harm than good. Black beauty is a blessing!! skin is smooth like a cup of coffee and the Melanin stays strong"

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19. Taco Lover, 2019
"NANA TAKYI COLLINS honestly we gotta love the skin we were born in no matter the shade ❤️ happy black history month brother ✊🏽✊🏿"

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20. NANA TAKYI COLLINS, 2019
"Taco Lover same to you brother! One love💪🏿"

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21. FIJI Water, 2019
"too manyfishb why does the color of there skin matter"

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22. Help ok, 2019
"@NANA TAKYI COLLINS both"

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23. Chocolate drop, 2019
"This music video give me life everytime i watch it.... respect to you bro for having dark skin women that resemble your mother, and sister in the video.. every little darkkk skin girl that sees this video is going to feel amazing"

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24. inesita365, 2019
"A usual thing in african music videos"
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I don't agree with this commenter that African music videos generally feature brown skin or dark brown skin women. Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/02/comments-about-skin-color-in-youtube.html for a 2016 pancocojams post entitled "Comments About Skin Color In A YouTube Discussion Thread of the South African Song "Easy To Love" By Bucie"

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25. Desiree Walters Live Your Journey, 2019
"Team darkskin 😍"

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26. Rcahel Jarell, 2019
"Yes i agree pretty dark woman for a change"

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27. Reinstalled, 2019
"Who’s here from the lightskin girl dancing ?"

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28. DaMzEeyore, 2019
"Watching that light skin girl on FB dancing to this song brought me here. No naked ladies, no weed.. drugs.. I LOVE IT"

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SHOWCASE VIDEO #2: AfroNation™ Afro B Drogba Dance Cover



Elbrokis17, Published on Jun 20, 2018
-statistics as of May 19, 2019 at 11:34 AM-
total # of views - 10,612
total # of like - 222
total # of dislikes - 6
total # of comments - 3
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This might be the video that is referenced in comments #26 and #27 above which was later described in that discussion thread as Hennessy Caroline (sister to rapper Cardi B) dancing to Afro B's "Drogba" ("Joanna"). That video was posted to instagram.

Be that as it may, this video shows a woman who African Americans would describe as being light skinned (She also would be described as being "yellow boned", although I think that that term is less socially appropriate than "light skinned".)

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019

Red Rat's Jamaican Dancehall Song "Big Man Little Yute" (Information, Sound file, Lyrics, & Comments)

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post presents information about Jamaica's Dancehall music and information about Dancehall recording star Red Rat (Wallace Wilson).

This post also showcases two sound files of and the lyrics for Red Rat's hit song "Big Man Little Yute".
Selected comments from the discussion thread for one of these sound files are also included in this post.

This post also includes my interpretations in standard English for several Jamaican patois songs that are in Red Rat's song "Big Man Little Yute".

The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Red Rat (Wallace Wilson) for his musical legacy. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of these sound files on YouTube.

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INFORMATION ABOUT DANCEHALL MUSIC
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancehall
"Dancehall is a genre of Jamaican popular music that originated in the late 1970s.[2] Initially, dancehall was a more sparse version of reggae than the roots style, which had dominated much of the 1970s.[3][4] In the mid-1980s, digital instrumentation became more prevalent, changing the sound considerably, with digital dancehall (or "ragga") becoming increasingly characterized by faster rhythms. Key elements of dancehall music include its extensive use of Jamaican Patois rather than Jamaican standard English and a focus on the track instrumentals (or "riddims").

Dancehall saw initial mainstream success in Jamaica in the 1980s, and by the 1990s, it became increasingly popular in Jamaican diaspora communities. In the 2000s, dancehall experienced worldwide mainstream success, and by the 2010s, it began to heavily influence the work of established Western artists and producers, which has helped to further bring the genre into the Western music mainstream.[5][6][7]”...

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INFORMATION ABOUT RED RAT
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Rat
"Wallace Wilson (born 17 January 1978), better known by the stage name Red Rat, is a Jamaican dancehall reggae recording and performing artist.[1] He was born in Saint Ann's Bay, Saint Ann Parish, Jamaica.[1] He is known for his up-beat music, comical style, and signature catch phrase "Oh, No!".

Wilson's father was the guitarist for Byron Lee & the Dragonaires and two of his older brothers were professional musicians before him.[1]

Red Rat's debut album, Oh, No.. It's Red Rat (1997) featured songs such as "Shelly Ann", "Dwayne", "Tight-up Skirt", "Cruise" (featured in the movie The Big Hit), and "Big Man, Little Yute". It became one of the best selling records from Greensleeves Records.”...

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From http://www.loopjamaica.com/content/where-are-they-now-red-rat-pushing-substance-over-hype Dancehall veteran Red Rat has continued to remain relevant in the music after 21 years.
"These days, he lives overseas in Florida and is currently working hard in the Spanish market not only as a recording artiste, but also as a producer and a writer with his business partner Pascalle. Together, they are the co-owners in the label Infinity Moguls Inc, which is an independent record label based in South Florida."...

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
Here's an explanation for the word "red" in the stage name "Red Rat":
In the Caribbean the referent "red" refers to a light skinned Black person. The comparable term in the United States is "yellow", although it's not socially acceptable to use that referent for Black Americans. The American term "red bone" has a different meaning than the Caribbean term "red". "Red bone" means a Black person with a reddish tinge to their skin.

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SHOWCASE EXAMPLES
Example #1: Big Man Little Yute + Lyrics


TeLeVisiN, Published on Jul 2, 2008

A blast from da past.......
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This song's lyrics are found in the summary of that sound file. However, I prefer the copy of those lyrics from https://www.lyricsofsong.com/lyrics/goofy-big-man-little-youth-lyrics-_om96.html as that site give more information about who is singing which line.

LYRICS: BIG MAN LITTLE YUTE
Intro:
Goofy:
She told me, after she loved me, she'd never love another
Red Rat:
And she told me, she want a splendid first temoulcious lover

Chorus:
Red Rat:
A mi she want, you nah see how mi cute
Goofy:
A big man she want, she nah want nah little yute (oh no)
Red Rat:
A mi she want, look how mi brown and slim
Goofy:
A muscle man she want, dats why mi start go a gym (oh no)

Repeat

Verse 1:
Red Rat:
Aye Goofy,
Mi definitely know sey a mi she a look (bo)
She want di new prince she nah want nah old boops (bo)
Dis little red bwoy nah tell lies,
She tell mi sey yah really wotless fi ya size

Goofy:
Little bwoy,
She nah waan you, cause she nah able (a lie)
For nobaddi sey she a rob di cradle (aye)
Worst of all look how yuh maaga and feeble (aye)
And she sey ya only got a little needle (and a lie you a tell)

Red Rat:
Mi know she woulda love feel di little bwoy energy
Cause from wha day mi notice she penny mi
She sey di guiness and she mash you fi sip it up
Cause she know sey di big bwoys caan keep it up

Goofy:
Bwoy mi nah really know what you a tink
But look fi ya self, if a nah mi she a wink
Look how mi mek she a blush, till she turn pink (suppen inna yah eye)
Now she want mi fi fill up her pen with mi ink (aye cho)

Verse 2:
Red Rat:
Talk to dem now

Goofy:
She nah stop admire, di way mi attire
And mi cologne set her heart on fire
Hear mi out Iyah, mi she desire (aye)
Its best if you retire

Red Rat:
Aye, she sey mi own profile, bashment hairstyle, child
Mek she get wild
Worst she direct, she look inna mi dreary eye, oh my (what yah know)

Goofy:
All you a gwan, she sey you was a saps
So its best if yah cool little Chaps (aye)
Cause she just show yah the ting an yah collapse (check dis out)
Now you ask her fi hold it locka drops (Goofy, aye)

Red Rat:
Ah mi eyes mi use man dem, smile mi use grab dem
Dun talk, we aggo see who got dem
Aye, aye, you a, aye

Verse 3:
Red Rat:
We love fi sey

Goofy :
Tonight we aggo see, a who she want

Red Rat:
Mi feel sey a mi, cause she close to har Aunt

Goofy:
No disrespect but hear mi out brother
Mi gone inna business with her mother

Red Rat:
And mi and her use to play dolly house together

Goofy:
But now she get big, a mi a give her di pleasure

Red Rat:
You only get a choops
Dat mean you is a floops
Go away, she tek yah fi a wotless boops, aye

Repeat Chorus 3x

Verse 4:
Goofy:
Every night she walks right in my dreams (oh no)

Red Rat:
The girl is mine

Goofy:
The girl is mine

Red Rat:
The girl is mine

Goofy:
Um, um, that buffulous girl is mine (only mine)

Red Rat:
Oh no, she's mïne
Aye
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None of the lyrics for this song that I've found online exactly fit the record's version which has the chorus in between some of the different verses.

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Example #2: Big Man Little Yute-Red Rat ft Goofy



dtm727, Published on Mar 4, 2011
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Here are some comments from the discussion thread for this sound file, with numbers added for referencing purpose only:

1. RON Aldo the 1st, 2016
"I love this track big up red rat!"

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2. André BM, 2016
"classic! 🔥🔥🔥🔥"

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3. ganja planter, 2016
"mad comments about naseem hamed lol good tune despite him using it funny seeing so many people knowing this just from him though lol"
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"Mad" here means "a lot of" (many)

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4. high life, 2018
"Who tf is Prince naseem?"

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REPLY
5. dante laufter, 2018
"Really? A famous boxer from 90's. Watch his entrance against Kevin Kelly with this music it's funny as awesome"

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6. Alexandra Green, 2018
"Tune!!!😁😎"

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7. Joe Hanson, 2018
"One of the best dancehall song ever 🔥🔥🔥🎤"

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8. grace segirinya, 2019
"This combination was impressive.The two artists are rhyming well.Un like this days where collaborations donot correspond.I remember this high school days when we used to rhyme using this trucks.Big up to my old boys in high school."

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STANDARD ENGLISH MEANING FOR SEVERAL JAMAICAN PATOIS WORDS THAT ARE FOUND IN RED RAT'S SONG "BIG MAN LITTLE YUTE"*
aggo = are going to

bashment - something wicked (positive connotation)

bwoy - boy

choops - light kiss (2) small amount (or toops)

dat = that

dis = this

fi = to (used for expressing direction or motion or direction toward something)

fi = for [?]

gwan = 1. go away or 2. go on

inna = into

maaga= skinny

mek = make

sey = say

tink= think

waan = want

Yute = youth
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Most of these definitions are from urbandictionary.com. and jamaicanpatois.com. Additions and corrections are welcome.

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Thursday, February 16, 2017

The Cultural Meanings Of "Nubian Queen" And "Nubian Princess" In The USA & In Parts Of Africa

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest Revision - July 6, 2023

This is Part I of a pancocojams series on the terms "Nubian queen" & "Nubian princess", and "African queen".

This post provides information about the historical/geographical meanings of the terms "Nubian" and "Nubian queen" and the contemporary cultural meanings of the terms "Nubian queen" and "Nubian princess".

Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/02/african-queen-nubian-queen-as-title-of.html for Part II of this series. Part II showcases three contemporary African songs with the title "African Queen" or "Nubian queen".

The content of this post is presented for etymological, historical, and cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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Update: April 12, 2019: Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/04/why-young-woman-in-now-iconic-april.html for a 2018 pancocojams post entitled "Why The Young Woman In The Now Iconic April 2019 Sudanese Protest Photo Is Being Called A "Nubian Queen".
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That post presents information about the meaning of the referent "Nubian queen" as it pertains to women from historical Nubia (Kush) and includes information about the use of that term as a referent for Sudanese women protesting the presidency of Omar Al-Bashir. Al-Bashir was eventually ousted on April 11, 2019 after a thirty year long presidency.

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THE HISTORICAL/GEOGRAPHICAL MEANINGS OF THE TERM "NUBIAN" AND "NUBIAN QUEEN"
In its historical/geographical context, "Nubian queen" means a queen of a Nubian kingdom. 

Here are two article excerpts about the historical/geographical meaning of this term:

Article Excerpt #1:
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubia
"Nubia is a region along the Nile river located in what is today northern Sudan and southern Egypt. It was one of the earliest civilizations of ancient Africa, with a history that can be traced from at least 2000 B.C. onward (through Nubian monuments and artifacts, as well as written records from Egypt and Rome), and was home to one of the African empires. There were a number of large Nubian kingdoms throughout the Postclassical Era, the last of which collapsed in 1504, when Nubia became divided between Egypt and the Sennar sultanate, resulting in the Arabization of much of the Nubian population. Nubia was again united within Ottoman Egypt in the 19th century, and within the Kingdom of Egypt from 1899 to 1956.

The name Nubia is derived from that of the Noba people, nomads who settled the area in the 4th century following the collapse of the kingdom of Meroë. The Noba spoke a Nilo-Saharan language, ancestral to Old Nubian. Old Nubian was mostly used in religious texts dating from the 8th and 15th centuries AD. Before the 4th century, and throughout classical antiquity, Nubia was known as Kush, or, in Classical Greek usage, included under the name Ethiopia (Aithiopia)....

The influx of Arabs and Nubians to Egypt and Sudan had contributed to the suppression of the Nubian identity following the collapse of the last Nubian kingdom around 1504. A major part of the modern Nubian population became totally Arabized and some claimed to be Arabs (Jaa'leen – the majority of Northern Sudanese – and some Donglawes in Sudan).[40] A vast majority of the Nubian population is currently Muslim, and the Arabic language is their main medium of communication in addition to their indigenous old Nubian language. The unique characteristic of Nubian is shown in their culture (dress, dances, traditions, and music)."

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Article Excerpt #2
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kush
"The Kingdom of Kush or Kush (/kʊʃ, kʌʃ/) was an ancient Nubian kingdom situated on the confluences of the Blue Nile, White Nile and River Atbara in what is now the Republic of Sudan.

The Kushite era of rule in Nubia was established after the Bronze Age collapse and the disintegration of the New Kingdom of Egypt, and it was centered at Napata in its early phase. After King Kashta ("the Kushite") invaded Egypt in the 8th century BC, the Kushite emperors ruled as pharaohs of the Twenty-fifth dynasty of Egypt for a century, until they were expelled by the Assyrians under the rule of Esarhaddon.

During Classical antiquity, the Kushite imperial capital was at Meroe. In early Greek geography, the Meroitic kingdom was known as Aethiopia. By the 1st century AD, the Kushite capital had been captured by the Beja Dynasty, who tried to revive the empire. The Kushite kingdom with its capital at Meroe persisted until the 4th century AD, when it weakened and disintegrated due to internal rebellion. The Kushite capital was eventually captured and burnt to the ground by the Kingdom of Axum.

Name
The native name of the Kingdom was recorded in Egyptian as k3š, likely pronounced /kuɫuʃ/ or /kuʔuʃ/ in Middle Egyptian when the term is first used for Nubia, based on the New Kingdom-era Akkadian transliteration as the genitive kūsi.[2][3][4]

It is also an ethnic term for the native population who initiated the kingdom of Kush. The term is also displayed in the names of Kushite persons,[5] such as King Kashta (a transcription of k3š-t3 "(one from) the land of Kush"). Geographically, Kush referred to the region south of the first cataract in general. Kush also was the home of the rulers of the 25th dynasty.[6]

The name Kush, since at least the time of Josephus, has been connected with the biblical character Cush, in the Hebrew Bible (Hebrew: כוש), son of Ham (Genesis 10:6). Ham had four sons named: Cush, Put, Canaan and Mizraim (Hebrew name for Egypt). The Bible specifically refers to Cush as a Benjamite (Psalms 7:1, KJV).[7] According to The Bible, Nimrod, a son of Cush, was the founder and king of Babylon, Erech, Akkad and Calneh, in Shinar (Gen 10:10).[8]...

Geography
Nubia was divided into two major regions: Upper and Lower Nubia, so called because of their location in the Nile river valley, the 'lower' being further downstream than the 'upper'. Lower Nubia lay between the First and Second Cataracts of the Nile river, spreading into modern southern Egypt and northern Sudan, while Upper Nubia extended between the Second and Sixth Cataracts, in modern central Sudan."...
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Note that "Kush" is just one historical example of a Nubian empire. Another Nubian empire (among others referenced in the source given as Article Excerpt #1) is Meroe.

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Article #3:
From https://www.reference.com/history/nubian-queen-faa5e71a415e6b4b
"What is a Nubian queen?

...A Nubian queen is a female ruler of the kingdom of Nubia, located along the Nile in southern Egypt and northern Sudan. In modern times, it is also used to describe a woman with African heritage.

Although Nubia is located in what is now southern Egypt and northern Sudan, it was once a part of northeastern Africa. Its history and culture dates back to around 3800 B.C. at which time the region was referred to as the Kush kingdom.

Around 1100 B.C., Egypt invaded and ruled the Nubian region. When the Nubian people regained control of their kingdom, they were ruled by Nubian royalty. Nubian queens include Queen Abar and Queen Qalhata, the wife and daughter, respectively, of King Piye. Candace of Meroe is one of the most notable queens of Nubia."...

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DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "NUBIAN" PEOPLE/CULTURES AND "NUBA" PEOPLE/CULTURES
From http://www.occasionalwitness.com/content/nuba/01History01.htm [retrieved 2/14/2017]
"There are Nuba and there are Nubians and this is cause for great confusion. The Nuba are the different peoples living in the Nuba Mountains in Southern Kordofan [Sudan].

The Nubians today are a people who live along the Nile at the border between Egypt and Sudan. Many of them were relocated when the Nasser Dam was built. The Nubians are considered to be descendants of the great Nubian Kingdoms of Kush; Meroe; Nobatia; Makuria (Dongola) or Alodia (Alwa)."
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This excerpt is reformatted for this post.
Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/02/article-excerpts-about-nuba-sudan-seven.html for more excerpts from that article and for additional information about and videos of the Nuba people of Sudan.

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THE AFRICAN AMERICAN USE OF THE TERMS "NUBIAN QUEEN" AND "NUBIAN PRINCESS"
Since at least the late 1960s, among  African Americans and some other (westernized Black people), “Nubian queen” and “Nubian princess” are complimentary terms that refer to attractive Black women, and sometimes especially dark skin attractive Black women.“

African Americans’-and particularly afrocentric African Americans’- use of the terms “Nubian queen” and “Nubian princess” is derived from the homage that African Americans in the late 1960s and 1970s gave to historical Egypt and historical Ethiopia in general and to the ancient Nubian kingdoms of Kush and Meroe in particular.

By at least 2013 (as several of the comments below document), light skinned women with some black African ancestry as well as women from certain other populations of color could also be referred to "Nubian queens" and "Nubian princesses".

Here are some definitions for and comments about the African American usage of the term "Nubian queen":
Comment #1
From https://www.reference.com/history/nubian-queen-faa5e71a415e6b4b
"What is a Nubian queen?
A Nubian queen is a female ruler of the kingdom of Nubia, located along the Nile in southern Egypt and northern Sudan. In modern times, it is also used to describe a woman with African heritage...

Some African-American women are referred to as Nubian queens with the intention of showing pride in their African heritage."...

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Comment #2
From http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nubian%20queen
TOP DEFINITION [retrieved Feb 13, 2017]
"Nubian Queen
A woman with African heritage. A Nubian Queen (A Black Woman) is a woman who usually has a dark skin complexion and thick kinky or coily hair. A Nubian Queen is a woman that comes in a variety of shapes and sizes which can range from slim/slender to thick/curvy.

Nubian Queens are also very intelligent and don't all shake their butts to rap music. Most want an education and a good well paying job.

Also, it should be noted that Nubian Queens do not like to be praised because of their figure i.e. full hips or buttocks, but because of their willingness to survive despite the great obstacles that might be in their way.

Nubian Queens are also very creative and wear their hair in a variety of beautiful and exotic hair styles. Nubian Queens are also talented and make great spouses. Nubian Queens also make good mothers and have been known to hold a household together with or without a man.

Overall, Nubian Queens are beautiful. The media has reduce them to nothing but booty walking around, but Nubian Queens are more than that. Nubian Queens are friends, lovers, and the mothers of civilization.
An Incredibly, Beautiful and Abundantly Melanined Black Woman that seems to be the envy of lots of women of color.

1. Damn!: "Philomena Kwao", "Leila Lopes", "Aeriél Miranda", "Genevieve Nnaji", "Nadia Buari", "Fatima Siad", "Pearl Thusi", "Yvonne Nelson", "Lupita Nyong'o", "Liya Kebede", "Gugu Mbatha-Raw", "Deepika Padukone", "Jessica Sula", "Isha Sesay", "Nathalie Emmanuel", "Jourdan Dunn", "Lenora Crichlow", "Alexandra Burke", "Thandie Newton", "Jessica Lucas", "Gabrielle Union", "Elle Varner", "Angela Highsmith", "Meagan Good", "Zendaya Coleman", "Kerry Washington", "Beyonce Knowles", "Janelle Monae", "Lauren London", "Denise Vasi", "Halle Berry", "Kelly Rowland", "Alexis Jordan", "Yaya DaCosta", "Rihanna Fenty", "Kat Graham", "Toccara Jones", "Tomiko Fraser", "Jocelyn Dumas", "Arlenis Sosa", "Goapele", "Chavoy Gordon", and "Damaris Lewi" are all Nubian Queens; and all the other women of color want to replicate those Nubian Queens.
#nubian princess #black woman #black women #sista #congoid #black"
by Nubian Queen/Black Women Lover June 10, 2014
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Note that although the respondent writes that "A Nubian Queen (A Black Woman) is a woman who usually has a dark skin complexion and thick kinky or coily hair", some of the celebrities who he or she named as "Nubian queens" are light skinned Black women who are racially mixed. Among those women are "Thandie Newton", "Zendaya Coleman", Beyonce Knowles, "Halle Berry", and "Alicia Keys".

Referring to light skinned Black women as "Nubian queens" is a significant expansion of the earlier African American definition of "Nubian queen" which exclusively or usually restricted that referent to an attractive Black women with dark skin color.

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Comment #3
In African American culture "Nubian princess" is a somewhat later extension of "Nubian queen".

The 1999 American comedy/crime movie Go includes this exchange between a man who looks White but called himself "the n word" and was challenged about that by another character. Note that the character describes his "Nubian princess" ancestor as being very dark skinned.

[Warning: This excerpt includes what is commonly known as "the n word" and certain "curse" words. In keeping with this blog's policy, I don't use the fully spellings for those terms.]

From http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0139239/quotes
"Go! tells the story of the events after a drug deal, told from three different points of view. Comedy, Crime | 9 April 1999 (USA)

...Tiny: ... I'm just trying to make conversation. Fu&k! Come on, why don't you give a ni&&er a break?

Marcus: [Marcus turns around in the car seat again] "Ni&&er"? What n&&&er?

[touches his own chest]
Marcus: THIS nI&&&&r?

Tiny: Yo, I told you, my mother's mother's mother were black!

Marcus: Your mother's mother's mother, fu&k - this ain't "Roots", mutha... Man, I wanna see a picture of this Nubian princess.

[angry cross-talk]

Marcus: If you were any less black, you would be clear.

Tiny: That bi&ch was black as night!

Singh: Okay! Stop! Truce!

Tiny: But I see black. Because I know I am. Color's a state of mind, Marcus!

Marcus: You know what, you right. Thank you, Rhythm Nation.
[And the laughter and insults continue...]
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"This ain't "Roots" refers to the Alex Haley book and movie.

"Rhythm Nation" is used here as a derisive nickname for a person of a Black person. That "nickname" almost certainly is derived from the 1989 album and song "Rhythm Nation" by R&B singer Janet Jackson.

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Comment #4
Lyric excerpt to Nuba X song "Nubian Queen"..from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBepqCoLPkI, Nuba TV Uploaded on Aug 24, 2007
...You my Nubian queen
The most beautiful thang
The whole wide world
has ever seen

Chocolate texture
Skin silky smooth
A feast for the eyes
that awake Nuba’s groove

The way you walk
As though you gliding through tha air
The way you talk to me
with tender lovin’ care

And your smile…
Ooh those luscious lips
Hypnotize…
The sexy way you sway ya hips…

Oh my Nubian queen
My Nubian queen
My Nubian queen”...
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Nuba X is African American from Chicago, Illinois.

This is my partial transcription of this Hip Hop song. Additions & corrections are welcome.

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Comment #5
From http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nubian%20Princess
"Nubian Princess
A gorgeous, sexy, black woman with an utterly perfect figure.
Nubian Princess Halle Berry
#nubian #princess #black #sexy #awesome
by dude1970 February 25, 2013"

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Comment #6
Nubian Princess
A gorgeous, sexy, light-skinned black and filipino woman with a perfect face and body.
Damn Jamaica Munoz is the definition of Nubian Princess.
#nubian. princess #jamaica. jamaica munoz #light skinned #black and filipino #filanegro #blackapino #sexy #hi glen
by Jamakes October 20, 2014"
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"Nubian princess" may also refer to a female with some Black African descent or from certain other populations of color who are younger than Nubian queens.

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'AFRICAN QUEEN" IN THE UNITED STATES AS A SYNONYM FOR 'NUBIAN QUEEN" AND "NUBIAN PRINCESS"
Some contemporary (1960s to date) Black Americans also use the referent "African queen" as a synonym for "Nubian queen". As is the case with the later usage of "Nubian queen", "African queen" has also been used by Black Americans (including African Americans)to mean any female with some black African descent, regardless of her skin color.

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THE USE OF "NUBIAN QUEEN" AND "NUBIAN PRINCESS" IN CONTEMPORARY AFRICA
The terms "Nubian queen" and "Nubian princess" appear to be used by some contemporary (2000 to date) Africans as a general referents for Black women, and particularly young, attractive Black women.

It's my position that the contemporary African use of "Nubian queen" and "Nubian princess" was lifted from African Americans' use of these terms.

Example #1
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTmDfsaVMo8
"Nubian Queen/snippet by Naija Rockkstar Omo Akin, Dec 7, 2009 [Nigeria]
Nubian Queen download link: http://www.mediafire.com/?y62mrozqno4...
[comments]
bebhigero, 2010
"i am a nubian princess..........im blowing my whistle.... love it love perfect summer jam"

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majah tunder Shango, 2012
"big up all my african ladies and big up the artist on this track naija rockstar big omo akin one love i sent a vid response to ur vid wid same name nubian queen wud b good to do the 2 tracks as one listen and get back to me"
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This video is featured in Part II of this pancocojams post.

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Example #2:
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZFV0vkjgMk
video title: "Nubian Queen", Uploaded on Dec 19, 2006 [Ugandan song]
[comment]
brownsugar202, 2008
"oh goddddddddd...am nubian and diffenatley nubian gurlz dunt look like dat at alllllllll..."
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This video is featured in Part II of this pancocojams post.

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Example #3
From http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/02/congolese-vocalist-koffi-olomide.html Koffi Olomide – Effrakata [from the Democratic Republic of the Congo]
comment: Gospicnic, 2013
"Gosh, Patience Ibe used to be the hottest Nubian Queen under the African sun"

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Example #4
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUzEWwlcgxw Nubian Queens of Africa
MrChatbout FiveEyes.TV Uploaded on Jun 3, 2011
Nubian Queens - photographic art taken in various African countries.
[comment]
Anna bella, 2013
"These are not actual Nubians from Egypt or Sudan."

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Example #5
From http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/09/congolese-vocalist-mbilia-bel-boyaye.html Mbilia Bel - Boyayé
comment from Africanmusictv [ AMTV ], 2015
"Mbilia Bel, the Queen of African Soul. Nubian Beauty from Congo. I will NEVER get tired of your sweet voice. I miss my African Queen. One Love Congo!!!"

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This concludes Part I of this series.

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