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Friday, February 13, 2026

References To "Crossing The Burning Sands" That Are Found In Historically Black Greek Letter Fraternities And Sororities Songs & Chants

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post provides some examples of historically Black (African American) Greek letter organizations (Bglos) chants that mention "crossing the burning sands". 

The Addendums to this post presents some information about the Divine Nine (historically Black Greek Letter fraternities and sororities) as well as some information about "crossing the burning sands" in those organizations and in the Shriners organization.

The content of this post is presented for cultural and folkloric purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those whose organization's chants are quoted in this post.

I consider fraternity & sorority chants and vernacular to be cultural artifacts which deserve to be collected, preserved, and studied. That said, I also believe that fraternity & sorority songs and chants should only be recited and/or performed by those persons who are affiliated with the specific organization that is associated with that particular chant.
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This is a complete reprint (with minor changes and a few additions) to the 2015 pancocojams post "Black Fraternities & Sororities Chants That Mention Crossing The Burning Sands."

https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/01/black-fraternities-sororities-chants_16.html

That post (which is still available on this pancocojams blog) includes a comment exchange about "crossing the burning sands" and a comment exchange about why I became and remain an inactive member of  Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.  

Additions of examples with this subject will only be made on the 2026 post. 

Also, click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/03/examples-of-historically-black.html for Part I of a seven part pancocojams series of examples of historically Black Greek letter fraternities/sororities chants/songs. The links to all of these posts are included on the individual posts. 

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SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE HISTORICALLY BLACK GREEK LETTER ORGANIZATIONS' "CROSSING THE BURNING SANDS" RITUAL
"Crossing the burning sands" is an important ritual in the pre-1990 legal "crossing" ("crossing over") ceremony that marks or refers to a person's membership in a historically Black Greek letter fraternity or in a historically Black Greek letter sorority. I don't know if crossing the burning sands is a part of the post 1990 legal initiation process for those organizations. Read the comment below by JSUAKA17 that is found in the "Definition of Sands" section.

The Greek definition list that is posted on the internet by the University of Nevada, Las Vegas gives the following definition for "crossed" that mentions crossing the burning sands":
"Crossed - the same as being initiated. The term means different things to different groups, but generally means crossing over from being a pledge to being a full member. Most groups record this time to the second. Term also refers to "Crossing the Burning Sands"
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It's interesting that this list uses the term "pledge" as a referent for a person who in the process of joining a Bglo. That word may be banned in other areas and universities, along with the term "to pledge" and "pledging" which have been replaced with the terms "to initiate" and "initiation".

Read my comments in this post about Bglo pledging/hazing. UPDATE: March 13, 2017 [link added]
Click this 2015 pancocojams post http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/01/black-fraternities-sororities-chants.html
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Cornell University's Greek definition list doesn't mention "crossing the burning sands". However, it gives this definition for "crossing/crossing over":
"CROSSING/CROSSING OVER – The point of membership intake process when pledges officially become members.
http://dos.cornell.edu/greek/about_our_office/definitions.cfm "Greek Definitions" (Cornell University, Ithaca, New York).
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The Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority line that I was part of in 1967 used the comparable term "went over". We also experienced crossing the burning sands.

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DEFINITION OF "SANDS" (AS IN "GREETING, MY SANDS")
The ritual and phrase "crossing the burning sands" is the source of the historically Black Greek letter organization's term "sands". Contemporarily, that word is sometimes spelled "sandz".

"Sands" - "A word used to acknowledge other members that crossed over in other organizations or in the same organization, but a different chapter." http://dos.cornell.edu/greek/about_our_office/definitions.cfm "Greek Definitions" (Cornell University, Ithaca, New York).

Bglo terms may differ across regions and within different organizations. For example, here's a comment from a blogger on an interesting discussion thread about Bglo terms and other customs:
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=16727&page=4 "Question Are some phrases/words SPECIFIC to certain Greek orgs?"
"04-14-2006, 12:03 AM
JSUAKA17
"Sands
It seems strange to me to hear that some schools refer to anyone that pledged the same semester as them as their sands, regardless of the organization. When I pledged, the only people that we called our sands were our line sisters that actually crossed the sands with us. Of course that was in 1987, I realize that most organizations probably no longer physically cross burning sands, nor should they (we shouldn't have been doing it either). I just thought that the term sands was reserved for the most intimate of relationships, at least that is how it was in my day."
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Note that that Cornell University list of terms include such terms such as "membership intake process" and "initiation" and doesn't include the word "crossed" or crossed the burning sands", or "sands" (as a referent for a member of ones' sorority or fraternity that was initiated/joined at the same time as another member).

The Greek definitions list from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas also includes membership intake process terms. That list gives this definition for "sands":
"Sands (aka Parallel) - A member of your organization or another culturally based organization that was initiated at the same time you were." http://www.unlv.edu/getinvolved/greek-definitions.

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SOME EXAMPLES OF CHANTS THAT MENTION CROSSING THE BURNING SANDS
For the most part, these chants are presented without explanatory notes. Almost all of these examples were found online. All of the examples of these chants that I've found to date positively refer to crossing the burning sands.

It's likely that all Divine 9 organizations have chants that mention crossing the burning sands. The number of chants in this post that are from any particular organization or the absence of chants from any organization should not be interpreted to mean anything.

Additional chants will be added if I come across them. Additions from blog readers are welcome.

A,B
AKA WHAT YA DO TO ME
AKA what ya do to me
You make me feel so good
AKA what you do to me
Just like I knew you would.

We cross the burning sands
To find something new
We cross the burning sands
To find real womanhood.
-Azizi Powell, Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. pledge song (Gamma Zeta chapter, New Jersey, 1967), 10/30/2006, cocojams.com

[Cocojams was the name of my multipage cultural website. That website was online from 2001 through most of 2014 when I voluntarily deactivated it.]
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This is one of three pledge songs that I remember from my Alpha Kappa Alpha sorority line (1967).

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ALPHA, WE LOVE YOU
(Tune: Little Liza)

Verse 1
When we were searching for the LIGHT,
We hears a WISE MAN call,
"Now Listen well! I'm going to tell
THE GREATEST FRAT OF ALL!
ALPHA! ALPHA! ALPHA! ALPHA!

(Chorus)
Alpha, we love you!
Alpha, we love you!
Love you in the springtime
and the fall.
Alpha, we love you!
Alpha, we love you!
Love you best of all!

(Repeat chorus)

Verse 2
We listened well and made our pledge.
Then crossed the burning sands,-
and entered dear old A*PHI*A,
The greatest in the land!
ALPHA! ALPHA! ALPHA! ALPHA!

(Chorus)
-Brian A. Jackson Alpha Phi Alpha collection, posted on cocojams.com, 3/20/2010
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Brian A. Jackson, a cocojams reader, and a life member of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc.(Beta Chapter, Howard University, Spring 1990) shared with me a number of Alpha Phi Alpha songs & chants with me and gave me permission to post examples of Alpha Phi Alpha songs & chants on Cocojams.com. (March 2010). At that time, Brian A. Jackson was the Vice President of the Xi Nu Lambda Grad Chapter in Baton Rouge, Louisiana and had been collecting Alpha Phi Alpha songs and chants over the last 20 years. Examples from this collection are indicated by the notation "Brian A. Jackson Alpha Phi Alpha collection".

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BROTHERS, I DON'T KNOW (also given as "Scrollers, I Don't Know") Example #1
I was looking for the name of this but I kouldn't find it. This is the chant a Brother from "O.G." gave us:

Brothers.....
I don't know,
I don't know if I can make it into Kappa Alpha Psi
OHHHHHHHHHHHH, Big Brother said we couldn't make it,
Huhhh, but we got a big surprise
We're gonna cross those burning sands
we're gonna make into Kappa Alpha Psi
OHHHHHHHHHHH"
-K_I_A_Nupe (Tampa, Florida), http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=99226&page=2
Kappa/Scroller Chants, January 8, 2009
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I'm not sure what the title of this chant actually is.

Another commenter on that same discussion thread wrote that he also learned this same chant when he was a "scroller", and he didn't know that it was national.

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SCROLLERS, I DON'T KNOW (Example #2)
Yup. We did the same chant as scrollers down here @GL with a few substituted words. (Gamma Lamda) Huston-Tillotson University.

Scrollers
I don't know, I don't know if we can make it over
Scrollers, I don't know if we can make it into Kappa Alpha Psi.
OHHHHHHHH, if we can make it into Kappa Alpha Psi
Big Brother said, we wouldn't make it
but we got a big suprise
we're going to cross those burning sands alive
we're going to make it into Kappa Alpha Psi
-Kappachino3Klub (Texas), http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=99226&page=2
Kappa/Scroller Chants, January 8, 2009

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BROTHERS, I DON'T KNOW (Example #3)

I was looking for the name of this but I kouldn't find it. This is the chant a Brother from "O.G." gave us:

Brothers.....I don't know,
I don't know if I can make it into Kappa Alpha Psi....
OHHHHHHHHHHHH....
Big Brother said we couldn't make it, Huhhh....
but we got a big surprise....
We're gonna cross those burning sands,
We're gonna make into Kappa Alpha Psi....
OHHHHHHHHHHH
-K_I_A NUPE (Tampa, FL); http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=99226&page=2"
Kappa Stroller Chants; 1/8/2009
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*I used that phrase as the title, but I don't know if that is the real title of this chant.
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Notice the substitution of the letter "k" instead of the letter "c" in the would "kouldn't". I've noticed Kappas following this custom in a number of online discussion thread. The use of the letter "k" instead of the letter "c" is to honor the first Greek letter in their fraternity's name.

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SCROLLERS, I DON'T KNOW (Example #4)
[In response to another blogger's comment that he didn't know that that was a national chant]

We did the same chant as scrollers down here @GL with a few substituted words. (Gamma Lamda) Huston-Tillotson University.

Scrollers..I don't know,
I don't know if we can make it over...
Scrollers, I don't know if we can make it into Kappa Alpha Psi..
OHHHHHHHH, if we can make it into Kappa Alpha Psi...
Big Brother said, we wouldn't make it but we got a big suprise..
we're going to cross those burning sands alive,
we're going to make it into Kappa Alpha Psi"
-Kappachino3Klub; http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=99226&page=2,Kappa Stroller Chants; 1/8/2009
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Notice the use of the letter "k" instead of the letter "c" in this blogger's screen name.

"Stroller songs" are songs that Kappa "pledges" sing before they "cross the burning sands" and become actual members of that fraternity or sorority.

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C, D

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E, F

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G, H

GO DOWN
Go Down, Brother
Way down to Egypt Land

Tell the people
The light has come.

(Back in 06)
Back in 06
Many years ago

7 Black men
Couldn't take no more

They professed to have seen the light
The Light Of The World

They journeyed to
The motherland

Where they crossed
Those burning sands

Marching onward
They had to see

Just what
The end would bring
(What the end would bring)
-Brian A. Jackson Alpha Phi Alpha collection, permission granted to post on cocojams.com, 3/20/2010
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The first part of this chant or song was inspired by the African American Spiritual "Go Down Moses". "The motherland" either refers to the continent of Africa or specifically to ancient Egypt which is located in Africa.

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I, J

I KNOW I'VE BEEN CHANGED 
(Gamma Iota Chapter Traditional Song, Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc.)

I know I've been changed
I know I've been changed
I know I've been changed
The big brothers done changed my name.

On this Alpha train
On this Alpha train
I've been pledgin and I'll never be the same
Sons of Alpha are we
One in love and charity
Let our thought of sadness fly
For our own, our Alpha Phi.
Courage brothers banded we
All through life 'till eternity.
Let our hearts in* joyous praise
Sing of Alpha through endless days.

Way down in the jungle deep
Burning sands scorching my feet
Pyramids touching the sky
I'm pledgin' Alpha till the day I die
Been on line pledgin' for days
Put aside my selfish ways
Feel it deep down in my soul
My butt is burnin' and I want to be ice cold.
Own my life, and take my pride
Wood me up on my backside
Pledge me anyway you can
For when I cross I'll be an Alpha man.
-Brian A. Jackson Alpha Phi Alpha collection; posted 4/18/2010
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Because I was aware that "I Know I've Been Changed" is the title & chorus of an African American religious song, I contacted Brian A. Jackson to ask him if the song posted above was actually three different songs that were sung one right after the other. Mr. Jackson responded to my email with the following comments:
"I have not heard it nor sung it, but I believe that is the full song. Its a song that is sung while they are Sphinxmen so "On this Alpha train" refers to them being on the way to Alpha

Read it as - Let our Hearts, and joyous praise - (2 collective entities, our hearts and our joyous praise - both of them singing Alpha through endless days)

That is how I read it. It makes sense to me."
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In a previous email, in response to my question about the sources of these Alpha chants, Brian A. Jackson wrote that "Some of the "older" ones probably did come from other sources. I know many of them came from old Negro spirituals as well. Some came from the military also. We even had one called Beat #122. Where each section of the line had a different beat or chant.

For example: (on my line there were 16 of us)
#1 - #4 - had the cymbal part
#5 - #8 - would scream "This is BETA"
#9 - #12 - would scream "Pledge Alpha All Night Long"
#13 - #16 - would keep the baseline
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I'm interested in knowing whether any members of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity Inc. sung these words given above as three separate songs.

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IMPRESS ME
Are you really worthy
of the land of the purple and the gold?
Will you succeed?
Will you cross the burning sands?
Are you worthy?
It’s a long hard road to Omega.
Impress me.
-Anonymous, a note in a Q Pearl song book, Edinboro University (Pennsylvania), 1991, posted by Azizi Powell on Cocojams.com
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"Q Pearl" is one name for the auxiliary ("Little sister") group of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc. Auxiliary groups aren't legal organizations. Yet, I believe that they still exist.

Like other Bglo little sister groups for other fraternities, females pledging Q Pearl (know elsewhere as Q Essence) were pledged by Big sisters (Q Pearls who had "crossed") and sometimes also by Big brothers (members of Omega Psi Phi fraternity). As is probably the case with the above chant, some of the chants that those line members learned were Omega Psi Phi chants.

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K, L

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M, N

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O, P
ONE MORNING (Example #1)
I woke up one morning and what did I see?
Three mighty founders of PHI B. E.
They touched my heart and they touched my soul.
They said oh don't you pledge that black and gold.

They touched my mouth and they touched my eye
and said oh don't you pledge no K-A-Psi.

Now they looked me down form my head to my shoe
and said you sho don't want to be no Que.

Now I'm walking down that Sigma Street.
I saw some Zetas they were looking at me.
I looked to my left and I looked to my right
and all I could see was that Blue and White.

Now the closer I got to that light you see.
PHI BETA SIGMA was growing in me.

The road is hard to Sigmaland.
Before I got there I had to cross them sands.

Now that I've crossed those burning sand.

I can say I am a SIGMA MAN!!!!
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3hmPQ4Qtk7wJ:pbsthe, retrieved on September 30, 2010
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This is a Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc. chant. The chant also mentions Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc. (and that organization's colors) since the Sigmas and Zetas are official brother & sister organizations.

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ONE MORNING (Example #2)
I woke up one morning and what did I see?
Three mighty founders of PHI B. E.
They touched heart and they touched my soul.
They said oh don't you pledge that black and gold.

They touched my mouth and they touched my eye
and said oh don't you pledge no K-A-Psi.

Now they looked me down form my head to my shoe
and said you sho don't want to be no Que.

Now I'm walking down that Sigma Street.
I saw some Zetas they were looking at me.
I looked to my left and I looked to my right
and all I could see was that Blue and White.

Now the closer I got to that light you see.
PHI BETA SIGMA was growing in me.

The road is hard to Sigmaland.
Before I got there I had to cross them sands.

Now that I've crossed those burning sand.

I can say I am a SIGMA MAN!!!!
http://pbsthetaalpha.tripod.com/chants.html
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This is a Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc. chant

*On the website from which this chant was taken, the "Zetas" in the chant was given as "Xetas". "Zetas" are the Sigma's official sister group. The colors for both this fraternity & this sorority are Royal Blue & Pure White.

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PROBATE MAN
When I was a probate man
trying to find my way across the burning sands
come on brothers and rescue me
RELEASE! ME! FROM! MY! MISERY!
i said i oweeeeeeeeeeee
my lifeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
to SIGMA whooooo!
S-I-G-M-A!
I owe! I owe my life!
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3hmPQ4Qtk7wJ:pbsthe, retrieved on September 30, 2010
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This is a Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc. chant.

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Q, R

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S, T
SCROLLERS, (Example #1)
I was looking for the name of this but I kouldn't find it. This is the chant a Brother from "O.G." gave us:

Brothers.....
I don't know,
I don't know if I can make it into Kappa Alpha Psi
OHHHHHHHHHHHH, Big Brother said we couldn't make it,
Huhhh, but we got a big surprise
We're gonna cross those burning sands
we're gonna make into Kappa Alpha Psi
OHHHHHHHHHHH"
-K_I_A_Nupe (Tampa, Florida), http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=99226&page=2 Kappa/Scroller Chants, January 8, 2009
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I used the title "Brothers", but I'm not sure what the title of this chant actually is.

This is a Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc. chant.

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SCROLLERS (Example #2)
Yup. We did the same chant as scrollers down here @GL with a few substituted words. (Gamma Lamda) Huston-Tillotson University.

Scrollers
I don't know, I don't know if we can make it over
Scrollers, I don't know if we can make it into Kappa Alpha Psi.
OHHHHHHHH, if we can make it into Kappa Alpha Psi
Big Brother said, we wouldn't make it
but we got a big suprise
we're going to cross those burning sands alive
we're going to make it into Kappa Alpha Psi
Kappachino3Klub (Texas), http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=99226&page=2 "Kappa/Scroller Chants", January 8, 2009

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SOUL STEPPING SISTERS OF DST
The song we sing goes like this:

Who are we?
My Sisters and me
we are the Soul Stepping Sorors
of DST!

We have strived
and crossed the sands
over into Delta Sigma 
Theta Land

Step by step
my Delta Sorors

Step by step
for DST
Step by step
my Delta Sorors
step by step for DST

 

(The sopranos go

We are the SOul STepping Sorors of DST
We are the SOUl STepping Sorors of DST...

(This continues while the remaining Sorors sing Who are we...and is repeated 4 times, then everyone joins back into Wo are we)
-Beauty1913, Location: Chicago, Il USA, 10-07-2001,
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=10669

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STAY STRONG
It’s a long hard road to Omegaland.
Do you think that I will see you
on the other side?

Are you really worthy
of the land of the purple and the gold?
Will you succeed?
Will you cross the burning sands?
Are you worthy?
It’s a long hard road to Omega.
See it through.
Impress me.
-Anonymous, from notes in Q Pearl book, 1991 Edinboro University (Pennsylvania),
posted by Azizi Powell on cocojams.com [Pancocojams' editor: cocojams.com was my cultural website from 2001 to 2014 which I voluntarily deactivated.]
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Read my comments for the chant entitled "Impress Me".

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U, V

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W, X
WHO ARE WE
Who are we
My sisters and me
We are the soul steppin sorors
Of DST.
We came here
Across the sands
Over into Delta Sigma Theta land.
-anonymous, from memory of Slippery Rock University step show (Pennsylvania late 1990s, early 2000s), posted on cocojams.com 

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Y, Z
YOU GOT TO PLEDGE HARD
You got to pledge hard, to cross those burning sands,
You got to pay the price, to be an I-Phi Man.
I was walking along the streets one day, when I heard the word of an I-Phi Man -
HE SAID ..
Iota is Great!
HE SAID ...
Iota is Grand!
HE SAID ...
Everybody loves an I-Phi Man!
-http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/23438997/2029917769/name/chants_songs%5B2%5, "Iota Phi Theta, Fraternity song book, retrieved 1/2/2013

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ADDENDUM- FOUNDING DATES FOR THE BGLO DIVINE NINE
From http://www.blackgreek.com/divinenine/
"There are nine historically Black Greek letter organizations (BGLOs) that make up the National Pan-Hellenic Council. Collectively, these organizations are referred to as "The Divine Nine." Each of these fraternities and sororities is rich in history - ties to one or more of these organizations may be found in many college-educated Black families in the United States.
•Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Founded 1906, Cornell University
•Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Founded 1908, Howard University
•Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Founded 1911, Indiana University
•Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Founded 1911, Howard University
•Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Founded 1913, Howard University
•Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Founded 1914, Howard University
•Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Founded 1920, Howard University
•Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority, Founded 1922, Butler University
•Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Founded 1963, Morgan State University"
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Note that the Divine Nine (D9) is not a formal term.
The National Pan-Hellenic Council
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Pan-Hellenic_Council
"The National Pan-Hellenic Council (NPHC) is a collaborative organization of nine historically African American, international Greek lettered fraternities and sororities...

The council promotes interaction through forums, meetings and other mediums for the exchange of information and engages in cooperative programming and initiatives through various activities and functions."

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ADDENDUM -THE SHRINER'S RITUAL "CROSSING THE HOT SANDS (OR THE BURNING SANDS)
Note that "crossing the hot sands" (or "crossing the burning sands") is also a Shriner's ritual. (http://forum.mastermason.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4425 "What are the hot sands?"

It's important to note that Bglos (Black Greek letter organizations) are not affiliated with any Freemasonry organization, including the Prince Hall Shriners or any other organization of Shriners."

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ADDENDUM -BLACK GREEK LETTER ORGANIZATION FORMER CUSTOMS OF PLEDGING/HAZING
2015 marks twenty-five years after pledging/hazing was prohibited by all of the Divine Nine (D9)* fraternities and sororities. However, from reading online discussions such as "What is skating?" [archive] http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/archive/index.php/t-90475.html [hereafter given as Greekchat-skating], it's clear that the old skool ways of pledging historically Black Greek letter fraternities and sororities are still very highly valued and are still very widely practiced underground (in secret). Pledging/hazing contines in spite of its illegality (as indicated by those organization's national offices), and in spite of the very real dangers of serious physical injuries and deaths that continue to result from those pledging/hazing processes. As reflected in the comments and chants that I've read online, many members of Bglos still "pledge" lines (groups of people) although doing so could cause them and those people to be banned banned by those organizations' national office if those underground activities became known. And chants that mention or allude to "paper", "skating" or "sliding" into these organizations make it abundantly clear that the Bglo membership intake process and those who are initiated into D9 organizations by way of that process are largely viewed with considerable disgust and disdain.

This post isn't meant to explore the reasons for that. However, I believe that those attitudes won't change by citing injury & death statistics, or amounts that national has to pay because of lawsuits, and/or by threatening to ban those who don't comply with prohibitions on pledging/hazing. In addition to those things, I believe that historically Black Greek letter organizations should seriously consider why pledging the old way was/is so valued, and reform the membership intake process so that it can be both safe and valued.

For the record, I went over (became a member) of Alpha Kappa Alpha sorority, Inc. (Gamma Zeta chapter) in 1966. That said, I became inactive shortly after crossing over (becoming a member), and I've been inactive since then.

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Added excerpt- Feb. 2, 2024

https://www.ebony.com/burning-sands-hazing/ Burning Sands Hazing, Ebony Magazine
By Syreeta Greene, Suzette Cole and Rasheed Cromwell  | March 15, 2017
"The new film Burning Sands on Netflix has ignited the Black Greek-Letter Organization (BGLO) community into a flurry of conversations about the film’s message, intent, and content. Does it expose the secret (or not so secret) “underground” pledging-hazing new member process? Is it another way to focus on the negative aspects of BGLOs? Is it an accurate portrayal of hazing in Black fraternities? Is this film condoning and supporting hazing?

What is apparent is that discussing hazing as it relates to historical, prominent and influential organizations that promote brotherhood/sisterhood, scholarship, service, and leadership is challenging. People who believe in the positives of these organizations do not always want to believe that hazing could actually take place in or by these organizations. How does one promote racial uplift in the Black community, but then turn around and physically abuse someone? Does discussing hazing in public spaces somehow air BGLO’s dirty laundry that is already on a clothesline viewed by all?

Hazing behaviors are complex issues that cannot be resolved with one solution. Additionally, one movie cannot and does not deal with the nuances involved with these issues.  Remember, movies are for entertainment purposes. Accordingly, Burning Sands should be viewed through a proper lens."...

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Sunday, February 4, 2024

What Records Have Been Used For Prince Hall Affiliated Shriners' Camel Walk Dance? Part II YouTube Videos 2015-2023

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest Update - Feb. 5, 2024

This is Part II of a two part pancocojams series about music that has been used for Prince Hall Affiliated Shriners' Camel Walk (dance) that is also known as "Riding".

This post presents a compilation of links to YouTube videos of PHA Shriners Camel Walks ("Riding") from 2015 through 2023. The titles of the record and their recording artist/s for each of the videos in this compilation are almost always given as part of the summary of those videos.

This compilation documents how the music for PHA Shriners Camel Walks changed from what appears to have been the "go to" (almost always used) record "White Horse" by the Danish duo Laid Back to various African American R&B/Hip Hop records including George Clinton's "Atomic Dog",  Too Short's “Blow The Whistle", Drake- “Started From The Bottom", and Mystikal's Here I Go".

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/02/what-records-have-been-used-for-prince.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. That post presents a compilation of links to YouTube videos of PHA Shriners Camel Walks ("Riding') from 2008 through 2014 with the identification of the music used for that performance of the Camel Walk.

The content of this post is presented for historical, socio-cultural, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are featured in these YouTube videos and thanks to the recording artists whose music is featured in these videos. Thanks also to all the publishes of these videos on YouTube.

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
The PHA Shriner's "Camel Walk" is also known 
as "Riding". That processional, circular movement is very similar to historically Black Greek letter fraternities and sororities synchronized movements that are known as "strolling".

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2020/10/black-greek-letter-fraternities.html for a 2020 pancocojams post that showcases several YouTube videos of historically Black Greek letter fraternities and sororities strolling. 

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For the cultural and historical record, please share comments in this post's discussion thread if you agree or disagree that "White Horse" was the "go to" record for PHA Shriners Camel Walks. If you agree that "White Horse" was the "go to" record for PHA Shriners Camel Walks, please add when this was the case and when it changed. Please remember to include demographic information, particularly your Masonic affiliation, if any. Thanks!

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DISCLAIMER
This pancocojams compilation includes a large number of links to YouTube videos of what I believe are PHA Shriners Camel Walk ("Riding") videos. Please let me know if any of these entries aren't PHA Shriners.

This pancocojams series doesn't mean to imply that these are the only YouTube videos of PHA Shriners Camel Walks that are found on YouTube.

Please share links to additional YouTube PHA Shriner Camel Walk videos with information about the record used so that I can add them to this compilation.  

Also, this pancocojams series doesn't mean to imply that these are the only records that have been used in the past or that are used now for PHA Shriners Camel Walks ("Riding")

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A COMPILATION OF RECORD THAT HAVE BEEN USED FOR PHA SHRINERS CAMEL WALK ("RIDING")  

2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OSNKYpHFn8

Alee Temple No.1 ~Washington DC 2015 Gala ~ Camel Walk
jclagman, Jun 7, 2015
-snip-
Music: DJ Khaled (feat. T-Pain, Ludacris, Snoop Dogg & Rick Ross)- "All I Do Is Win" 

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2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ic-3jmGhGA

PHA Nobles (Shriners) Camel Walk Cincinnati 2015

HunnyLuv82, Jan 10, 2016

PHA Shriners Nobles Camel Walk in Downtown  Cincinnati 2015
-snip-
Music-Big Krit- "Amtrack" 

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2017

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2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx5F_z3wybg

Moussa Temple No. 106's 2018 Illustrious Potentate Ball Ride
Burrell Parmer, Oct 22, 2018

SAN ANTONIO - (Oct. 20, 2018) Let's take a Ride.  The Prince Hall Shriners of Moussa Temple No. 106 held their annual Illustrious Potentate Ball honoring Noble Burrell Parmer at the Holiday Day Inn International Airport Hotel. Thanks to the Ball Department and to the many guests who attended.
-snip-
Music: EPMD - "You Got's To Chill" (Remix)

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2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEgw3GfkeeY

Nasty Omar 21 Nobles ride
Amos Tunstall Jr, May 6, 2019

Georgia Gala Conference, Oasis of Savannah Desert of Georgia.. camel (ride Clyde) A.E.A.O.N.M.S. Slimm
-snip
Music: Mystikal  - "Here I Go"


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2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5UsY1eY-UM

Nabbar Joint Ball - 2018 -The temple riding.
Nabbar Court 123, Sep 17, 2020

Nabbar Joint Ball - 2018 - Nabbar Temple No. 128 and the new class entertaining our guest riding Clyde.
-snip-
Music - Laid Back -"White Horse"

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2021


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2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLZPuawHUPc&t=121s

2022 MIDWEST REGIONAL GALA
jackie cunningham Jun 8, 2022

2022 Midwest Regional Gala

“Not all men walk alike”

PRINCE HALL NOBLES
-snip-
Music: Too Short –“Blow The Whistle”

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU7L-TNDDgk

OGs doing their thing!
Butter Cup, Jun 25, 2022

Ladies, which one do you like?  Love seeing the older guys having fun and gettin their jam on.  I like them all.  Party over heeere!  Lol
-snip-
Music: Too Short - "Blow The Whistle"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0TfKM1MiME

Nasty Nobles! Bejilah Temple #163 Harvest Ball 2022
Tristan Perkins,  Nov 25, 2022

Shriners Camel walking
-snip-
Music: Too Short- "Blow The Whistle" 

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2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLRvqrYYjiQ

Let’s Ride Nobles! πŸͺπŸ’₯πŸ’₯πŸ’₯
Jean Webb, Jan 16, 2023
-snip-
Music: Boosie-"Wipe Me Down'

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIFHgPPjB2U&t=3s

Camel 🐫 Walkin 🚢🏾‍♂️at the Gala Day 2023 Cookout Augusta Commons

Be Like Water, May 8, 2023 

AUGUSTA COMMON

AEAONMS Desert of Georgia Nobles πŸ‘³πŸΎ‍♂️πŸ‘³πŸΎ‍♂️πŸ‘³πŸΎ‍♂️πŸ‘³πŸΎ‍♂️πŸ‘³πŸΎ‍♂️πŸ‘³πŸΎ‍♂️πŸ‘³πŸΎ‍♂️ Camel 🐫  Walkin 🚢🏾‍♂️ πŸ“» 🎢 at the Augusta Commons square, in Augusta GA, Saturday, 06 May 2023, 12:00 PM - 4:00 PM.
-snip-
music: Mystikal -"Here I Go" (Radio Version)

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What Records Have Been Used For Prince Hall Affiliated Shriners' Camel Walk Dance? Part I-YouTube Videos 2008-2014

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part I of a two part pancocojams series about music that has been used for Prince Hall Affiliated Shriners' Camel Walk (dance) that is also known as "Riding".

This post presents a compilation of links to YouTube videos of PHA Shriners Camel Walks ("Riding") from 2008-2014. The titles of the record and their recording artist/s for each of the videos in this compilation are almost always given as part of the summary of those videos.

This compilation documents how the music for PHA Shriners Camel Walks changed from what appears to have been the "go to" (almost always used) record "White Horse" by the Danish duo Laid Back to various African American R&B/Hip Hop records including George Clinton's "Atomic Dog",  Too Short's “Blow The Whistle", Drake- “Started From The Bottom", and Mystikal's Here I Go".

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/02/what-records-have-been-used-for-prince_4.html  for Part II of this pancocojams series. That post presents a compilation of links to YouTube videos of PHA Shriners Camel Walks ("Riding') from 2015 through 2023 with the identification of the music used for that performance of the  Camel Walk.

The content of this post is presented for historical, socio-cultural, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are featured in these YouTube videos and thanks to the recording artists whose music is featured in these videos. Thanks also to all the publishes of these videos on YouTube.

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
The PHA Shriner's "Camel Walk" is also known 
as "Riding". That processional, circular movement is very similar to historically Black Greek letter fraternities and sororities synchronized movements that are known as "strolling".

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2020/10/black-greek-letter-fraternities.html for a 2020 pancocojams post that showcases several YouTube videos of historically Black Greek letter fraternities and sororities strolling. 

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For the cultural and historical record, please share comments in this post's discussion thread if you agree or disagree that "White Horse" was the "go to" record for PHA Shriners Camel Walks. If you agree that "White Horse" was the "go to" record for PHA Shriners Camel Walks, please add when this was the case and when it changed. Please remember to include demographic information, particularly your Masonic affiliation, if any. Thanks!

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DISCLAIMER
This pancocojams compilation includes a large number of links to YouTube videos of what I believe are PHA Shriners Camel Walk ("Riding") videos. Please let me know if any of these entries aren't PHA Shriners.

This pancocojams series doesn't mean to imply that these are the only YouTube videos of PHA Shriners Camel Walks that are found on YouTube.

Please share links to additional YouTube PHA Shriner Camel Walk videos with information about the record used so that I can add them to this compilation.  

Also, this pancocojams series doesn't mean to imply that these are the only records that have been used in the past or that are used now for PHA Shriners Camel Walks ("Riding")

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A COMPILATION OF RECORD THAT HAVE BEEN USED FOR PHA SHRINERS CAMEL WALK ("RIDING")  

2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECvgQiujfVY

PHA Shriners Bringing in the New Year
BTNKD1, Feb 12, 2008  #209
How Nasty Does a Noble have to be? I appreciate all of the views that this video is getting. "Ride Clyde"

Fayum Temple #209 Manhattan Kansas.
-snip-
Music: George Clinton - "Atomic Dog"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je9HYdoLHtc&t=54s

Noble Ride Out @ Savannah State University

Say It Aint So Podcast, Nov 2, 2008

Rabia 8 Nobles of The Mystic Shrine Rides it Out At Savannah State Homecoming 2008
-snip-
Music: Laid Back -"White Horse"

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2009

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2010

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzH8LbPcbvI&t=2s

Nobles Camel Walking
msmaddy03, Apr 19, 2010

Brofest 2010 Picnic
-snip-
Music: Laid Back - "White Horse"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruRnTBU6z-E&t=149s

Ahmed Temple #37
Princess314,  Oct 10, 2010

Riding Clyde...
-snip-
Music: Laid Back - "White Horse"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GbfXsbDVdM&t=2s

Camel Walking Nobles of Kindah Temple #62
Mike Duncan, Jun 16, 2010

Camel Walking Nobles

NC AEAONMS 2010 Gala Day Charlotte NC

Kindah Temple #62
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Music: from comment posted by @BCRCEO, 2012 
"Intro song was Fat Joe "(HaHa) Slow Down" featuring Young Jeezy (instrumental)

Ride on Nobles."


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2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3UgQlpuPfU&t=98s

Golconda Temple No. 24 Nobles camel walking into the formal dinner dance

bks2295, Mar 7, 2011
-snip-
Music: Funky Green Dogs - Fired Up! (Album Version)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZVw7-T4FE0&t=41s

Them nasty nobles riding clyde
vicjones757, Oct 12, 2010

Video of my bros ridin at a friends wedding reception
-snip-
Music: Laid Back - "White Horse”


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2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uCRnS30dpc

Nobles (Shriners) Camel Walking During Brofest 2012
KingLyrical, Apr 23, 2012

Those NASTY Nobles riding out during Brofest 2012.
-snip-
Music:
Laid Back - "White Horse”

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WoXesuD53E

Alkarim Temple No. 242 - 2012 Camel Ryders
DJ DMX, Sep 1, 2012

2012 Imperial Session Riding Competition - 2nd Place Winners - Al-Karim Temple No. 242 ' -snip- Music: Black Boi - "Du Somethin' [quote from the video's publisher :@djsmit2 in 2015: "The song was actually created for our Al-Karim Temple No. 242.  Our Motto is #DuSumthin!  One of our members nephew named Blak Boi wrote the song for us".


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2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPpKMqHKSi4

2013 Arabic Temple 44 Soul Patrol camel walking champions of the world

MrBinky357, Sep 4, 2013

Imperial Session in Arizona
-snip-
Music: Drake- “Started From The Bottom (Explicit Version New Edit)”

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ0IoWl1e80
Light of the Book 2013: Camel Walking

yvonnetl2012, Mar 10, 2013

George Clinton - "Atomic Dog" 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQn0azx6WUE&t=114s

Nobles Camel Walk
LB9139, Oct 2, 2013

Kuwat Temple #7 Oasis of Grambling Desert of Louisiana
-snip-
Music: Laid Back - “White Horse”


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2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O_XgEMofm8

Nobels Camel Walking..

Bossilady, May 10, 2014

At camp Chicot..Turn Down For What
-snip-
Music: DJ Snake, Lil Jon - "Turn Down for What"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6NkR-DpLFs

Camel Walking Ramadan Temple #30 Ball Little Rock 2014
James Cross, Mar 17, 2014
-snip-
Music:  Fred Wesley & The J.B.'s- "Doing It To Death"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLSbKPd7zrA

Camel Walking / Strolling - Mid Atlantic 2014

queensizeqt,  Jun 9, 2014
-snip-
Music: Mystikal - "Here I Go"

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Visitorcomments are welcome.

Saturday, February 3, 2024

Comments From A 2016 Online Discussion By Freemasons About Prince Hall Shriners Doing The Camel Walk (Also Known As "Riding")

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post presents selected comments from a six page 2016 Freemason discussion thread entitled "Representing The Craft": Do you think that representing the craft as if it were a college fraternity has a positive or negative impact? 

This pancocojams compilation of those comments focuses on comments that refer to the Prince Hall Shriners' dance/strutting custom referred to as "riding".  A video of "riding" is included in one of the comments that is quoted from that discussion.

The Addendum to this post showcases three additional YouTube videos of Prince Hall Affiliated (PHA) Shriners doing their 
versions of the  Camel Walk that they refer to as  "riding". 


The content of this post is presented for historical and cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks to all those who are featured in the YouTube videos that are embedded in this post and thanks to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/02/general-information-about-prince-hall.html for the closely related post entitled "
General Information About Prince Hall Masons & Prince Hall Shriners (2024 Update)."

Also, click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/09/prince-hall-shriners-tradition-of.html for a 2017 pancocojams post with someYouTube videos and comments about Prince Hall Shriners "riding" (performing their processional strutting version of the Camel Walk dance.

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
The 2016 discussion thread that is excerpted in this pancocojams post includes a survey that has the following results:

Do you think that representing the craft as if it were a college fraternity has a positive or negative impact? 

Negative impact -          24 votes     82.8%
Positive Impact -             4 votes     12.8%
Doesn't really matter-      2 votes      6.9%
I don't really care             1 vote       3.4 %

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DISCLAIMER
i have never been a member of the female organizations that are affiliated with Freemasons or Shriners.

I've added some explanatory notes under some of these comments.

Additions and corrections are welcome.

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS DISCUSSION THREAD
The numbers in this compilation are the numbers these comments have in that online discussion. 

I've used italic font for the quotes that are part of these comments.

https://www.myfreemasonry.com/threads/representing-the-craft.26835/

lilhut3579

Mar 27, 2016

#1

"Lately I've been seeing an increase in younger Masons representing the fraternity in a college fraternity like manner. Mainly PHA Masons. I wonder why? Not saying its a bad thing. I myself had a pretty "shiny" jacket made. Its the older brothers who seem to have more a problem with it. I want to know thoughts on this from not only PH brothers but Mainstream brothers as well.

p.s.

 

I'm 24 any brother out there younger than me?"

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Derinique Kendrick

Mar 28, 2016

#9

"If paraphernalia is what we are talking about in terms of representing the organization then it isn't a big deal in my eyes. I agree that alot of the older brothers have a lot of critique when it comes to younger brothers wearing paraphernalia. I think it becomes a problem if said brother(s) decide he or they want to throw a college party. The difference is, those fraternities are social groups whereas Masonry is not a social group but every now and then you come across ones who treat it as such and that is where the issue comes in. Am I right, @Travelling Man91?"

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mrpierce17

Mar 29, 2016

#17

"lilhut3579 said:

Lately I've been seeing an increase in younger Masons representing the fraternity in a college fraternity like manner. Mainly PHA Masons. I wonder why? Not saying its a bad thing. I myself had a pretty "shiny" jacket made. Its the older brothers who seem to have more a problem with it. I want to know thoughts on this from not only PH brothers but Mainstream brothers as well.

p.s.

I'm 24 any brother out there younger than me?

Can you expand on what you mean when you say representing the fraternity like a college frat we are upright moral men and any Mason should carry himself as such"


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acjohnson53

Mar 29, 2016

#18

"ahhh we don't stomp the yard...But we can do the camel walk.....LOL"

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https://www.myfreemasonry.com/threads/representing-the-craft.26835/page-2

Ripcord22A

Mar 31, 2016

#23

"lilhut3579 said:

So I mean the regalia mostly and there has been a hand sign. i assume its making a square but basically making a square with the index finger and thumb.

Our regalia is nothing like that of a GREEK frat. they wear hoodies and what not with their letters on em. As for hand signs of its not the DG and PS of a degree, the GHSD or the grips then it is not masonic"


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MRichard

Mark A. Ri'chard

Mar 31, 2016

#25

"There are some similarities between PHA and the Divine 9 fraternities. Most of the Divine 9 fraternities founders were PHA at some point in time. They both use lines to initiate candidates (well not sure if all PHA do). They are similarities in the ritual as well. Their rituals used ours as a blueprint or pattern. I belong to a Divine 9 fraternity. Divine 9 fraternities are historically Black ones in case you were wondering. I am not saying that PHA is like a college frat, I am saying there are similarities."
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"Divine Nine" is the informal name for the National Pan-Hellenic Council. That Council consists of five historically Black Greek letter fraternities and four historically Black Greek letter sororities. Click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Pan-Hellenic_Council for more information about the Divine Nine. 

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The Traveling Man

Mar 31, 2016

#31

"I don't think jackets, hats, etc are symbolic of a college frat. It's no different than someone in the union to wear a union shirt or jacket, or an employee to wear something bearing the name or logo of his job. I don't have a jacket yet, but I have Masonic shirts, earrings, rings, bracelets, pins and car decals. I'm proud to be a Mason so I show it. But it isn't so much for the public to see as it is for other Brothers to notice it. Where I'm at I see it more with the older members. They have the jackets, the license plates, multiple pins, etc. I see it more with Brothers from my Grand Lodge than with the PHA Brothers, but I suspect it's probably about even. I'm 33 and the members in my Lodge that are younger than me I haven't seen with Any of those items yet."

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Dontrell Stroman

Apr 1, 2016

#35

"I will say that some lodges near college universities govern themselves in a way that a college fraternity does. They pledge, party, "Step" and design their jackets in a way college frats do. I would not venture out to say this is a PHA thing. I know many clandestine AF&AM have lodges set up all over the big cities in TN. A lot of times brothers see guys acting and dressing this way, and automatically assume it's a PHA thing. I don't think it's a unrealistic assumption due to the fact how would you know PHA from clandestine mason without asking or seeing a charter. They use the same symbols as all regular masons."
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Read a comment in the pancocojams comment section below about the meaning of "clandestine Masonic lodges".

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Dontrell Stroman

Apr 1, 2016

#36

"Without a doubt I believe it's younger masons. In my own experiences, I've yet to see a older mason acting that way. That's not to say their aren't some out."

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MRichard

Mark A. Ri'chard

Apr 1, 2016

#37

"Travelling Man91 said:

Without a doubt I believe it's younger masons. In my own experiences, I've yet to see a older mason acting that way. That's not to say their aren't some out here.

There are many PHA Shriners videos on youtube doing the camel walk. I assume you have to be a PHA mason to be a PHA Shriner. Kinda like stepping.


PHA Shriners Bringing In The New Year

BTNKD1, Feb 12, 2008  #209

How Nasty Does a Noble have to be? I appreciate all of the views that this video is getting. "Ride Clyde"

Fayum Temple #209 Manhattan Kansas.
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music -  George Clinton - Atomic Dog
"PHA" = Prince Hall Affiliated" Shriners
"Nobles" is a referent to PHA Shriners; "Nasty Nobles" is a complimentary referent to how well PHA Shriners do their "riding"(strutting walk).  "Ride Clyde"is a rhyming term that PHA Shriners use to refer to "riding".  

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MRichard

Mark A. Ri'chard

Apr 1, 2016

#39

"
Travelling Man91 said:

I don't know much about the Shriner's due to the fact that I am not one, but I am aware that PHA Shriner's do the "Camel walk". My objection is, Shriner's and Freemasons are two different and separate organizations. That might be the custom and tradition for PHA Shriner's to do the camel walk, but it's not for PHA freemasonry.

So those are not PHA masons? I never said it was the custom. You said you never saw older brothers act that way. There were definitely some older brothers in that video."

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Dontrell Stroman

Apr 1, 2016

#40

"Yes they are masons, but they are not acting under freemasonry when it comes to dancing. They are doing something their appendent body come up with. I still haven't seen older freemasons, meaning just blue Lodge brothers dancing and acting like a College frat. But it's not a Masonic offense to dance anyways. I saw Shriner's doing a dance for their organization, but I've yet to see PHA masons representing the blue lodge dance in that kind of way."
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blue lodge= a referent for "mainstream" freemasons (not PHA Masons

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https://www.myfreemasonry.com/threads/representing-the-craft.26835/page-3

Bloke

Apr 1, 2016

#41

"I dont think the camel dance would fly at our Shrine Club, but each to his own..."


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MBC

Apr 2, 2016

#50

"MRichard said:

There are many PHA Shriners videos on youtube doing the camel walk. I assume you have to be a PHA mason to be a PHA Shriner. Kinda like stepping.

I just find it quite ridiculous that they do this "walk" with our fezzes. I think wearing our fezzes to do this somehow may damage the image of Shriners...

I am fine of any people doing anything but they were wearing a fez and got filmed... I don't know how the public says when they watch this(?)

P.S. Sorry for my old school conservative British view."

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Glen Cook
G. A. Cook

Apr 2, 2016

#52

"MBC said:

Oh no... Smh...

I just find it quite ridiculous that they do this "walk" with our fezzes. I think wearing our fezzes to do this somehow may damage the image of Shriners...

I am fine of any people doing anything but they were wearing a fez and got filmed... I don't know how the public says when they watch this(?)

P.S. Sorry for my old school conservative British view.

Recognising we are speaking of both Egyptian (PHA) and International Shrine, Shrine has Clowns, Oriental Bands, funny little cars...I assure you, this is relatively modest behaviour and really not offensive in the Shrine context. Placing an "old school British view" on Shrine probably is not the better approach. Now, the video of Masons at a funeral is a different matter.

FYI, I was a member of the European Shrine Club, have performed a ceremonial in London, and take some credit for the UK still being under Aahmes Shrine and not Emirat."

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https://www.myfreemasonry.com/threads/representing-the-craft.26835/page-4

Glen Cook

Apr 3, 2016

#62

"Travelling Man91 said:

Haven't seen the video. Okay let's say you did find a video of PHA masons dancing, so what. Just because one Lodge does it doesn't make it a custom for PHA masonry as a whole. There is a video online of a member of the Shriner international speaking on Lucifer and it caused controversy. Does his statement alone speak for all Shriner's ?

Apologies. Didn't mean to imply it was PHA lodge which many have seen doing a camel walk. I meant to indicate I didn't like it, as compared to the camel walk for Shriners of any fez, which doesn't bother me."

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Dontrell Stroman

Apr 3, 2016

#63

Glen Cook said:

Apologies. Didn't mean to imply it was PHA lodge which many have seen doing a camel walk. I meant to indicate I didn't like it, as compared to the camel walk for Shriners of any fez, which doesn't bother me.

No need for apologies brother cook. I understand what all the brothers are saying regarding dancing and acting like college fraternities. I'm just stating that yes PHA Shriner's do the "Camel Walk" and just because one or two PHA blue lodges do some kind of dance at a ceremony does not speak for PHA masonry as a whole. I have never saw it in person. I can only speak from my personal experiences. When I was a member of the ELKS lodge, they danced at certain ceremonies. I don't know why, but they did."
-snip-
The Elks is another secret fraternal order.

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MBC

Apr 8, 2016

#65

"Well It is just my opinion to think that "walk" is quite weird and pointed out some potential concerns as Freemasonry in general.

Outsiders won't care you Shriners, Craft, Royal Arch or even fake masons, they just know that these people are (free)masons.

And I am sure some of my closer brethren would have a similar view on it.

I am not putting my rulers up to measure everyone, just expressing my views.

If you get offended, then I am sorry about my poor English as it is not my mother language"

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MRichard

Mark A. Ri'chard

Apr 8, 2016

"MBC said:

Well It is just my opinion to think that "walk" is quite weird and pointed out some potential concerns as Freemasonry in general.

Outsiders won't care you Shriners, Craft, Royal Arch or even fake masons, they just know that these people are (free)masons.

And I am sure some of my closer brethren would have a similar view on it.

I am not putting my rulers up to measure everyone, just expressing my views.

If you get offended, then I am sorry about my poor English as it is not my mother language.

The people at those events probably love it. That type of dancing is a part of their culture. I am sure that some people don't like certain things of your culture regardless of what it is. They are Shriners and Shriners are known for having fun.


You don't have to like it. There are things in freemasonry that I don't like either. It is what it is"

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MRichard

Mark A. Ri'chard

Apr 8, 2016

#68

"MBC said:

I am not forcing people to not like it with me. Apart from that I am also a Shriner, I like to have fun as well.

However I may have a British old school mind like a brother said before.


I am a Shriner as well. Don't see a problem with it."


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Glen Cook

G A Cook

Apr 8, 2016

#70

"Travelling Man91 said:

Question : does Shriner international members dance at any functions ?

 

Umm, define dance?"


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G A Cook

Apr 8, 2016

#72

"Travelling Man91 said:

Move rhythmically to music, typically following a set sequence of steps. Lol okay my own definition, I guess similar to what the PHA shiners did in the video

I've never seen Shriners International members do a camel walk or the like, though I've not been to every temple."


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Dontrell Stroman

Apr 8, 2016

#73

"Glen Cook said:

I've never seen Shriners International members do a camel walk or the like, though I've not been to every temple.

Bro cook, I could see you doing the camel walk ha ha jk"

 
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Dontrell Stroman

Apr 8, 2016

#74

"All jokes aside, I wonder if this is part of their ritual or just "fun time" for them"

 
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The Traveling Man

Apr 8, 2016

#76

"The Camel Walk has been used by PHA Shriners for a long time. They call it Riding, as in "Riding through the desert". I think the song they usually ride to is called "White Horse". Some Clandestine black Lodges also do the camel walk. The walk itself has been around for probably 100 years, and the version that the Shriners use has been around for over 50 years. James Brown used to do the camel walk."

 
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mrpierce17

Apr 29, 2016

#77

"[QUOTE="The Traveling Man, post: Some Clandestine black Lodges also do the camel walk. [/QUOTE]


Im confused on by what you mean when you say clandestine black lodges because from my understanding any man regardless of race can join any lodge if he is voted on favorably by the brethren that would include GL of state PHA even clandestine lodges I am a Prince Hall mason and I have sat in tiled lodge with many white brothers who where also Prince hall Mason further more I don't see how having a little fun doing a dance is giving away any secrets or violating ones MM oath and obligation"

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mrpierce17

Apr 29, 2016

#78

"Not trying to single anyone out but I think it is a low blow for anyone to single a lodge out by one particular race a lodge can be predominantly composed of one particular race but open to all who wish to join"

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MRichard

Mark A. Ri'chard

Apr 29, 2016

#79

"mrpierce17 said:

Im confused on by what you mean when you say clandestine black lodges because from my understanding any man regardless of race can join any lodge if he is voted on favorably by the brethren that would include GL of state PHA even clandestine lodges I am a Prince Hall mason and I have sat in tiled lodge with many white brothers who where also Prince hall Mason further more I don't see how having a little fun doing a dance is giving away any secrets or violating ones MM oath and obligation


PHA is regular regardless if the state grand lodge considers them clandestine in the states where the PHA grand lodge is not recognized. Each grand lodge is sovereign. In some areas like Texas & New York, there are a lot of so called 4 letter clandestine lodges so much so that they greatly outnumber the PHA lodges."

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MRichard

Mark A. Ri'chard

Apr 29, 2016

#80

"mrpierce17 said:

Not trying to single anyone out but I think it is a low blow for anyone to single a lodge out by one particular race a lodge can be predominantly composed of one particular race but open to all who wish to join

Actually it isn't. And it is a big issue for the PHA grand lodges in certain states. I have no idea what criteria a clandestine lodge uses to recruit members."


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https://www.myfreemasonry.com/threads/representing-the-craft.26835/page-5

The Traveling Man
Apr 29, 2016

#92

"mrpierce17 said:

[QUOTE="The Traveling Man, post: Some Clandestine black Lodges also do the camel walk.

Im confused on by what you mean when you say clandestine black lodges because from my understanding any man regardless of race can join any lodge if he is voted on favorably by the brethren that would include GL of state PHA even clandestine lodges I am a Prince Hall mason and I have sat in tiled lodge with many white brothers who where also Prince hall Mason further more I don't see how having a little fun doing a dance is giving away any secrets or violating ones MM oath and obligation[/QUOTE]

Brother, you read too deep into my message. First, in case you haven't saw my pics, I'm black, so I wasn't playing the race card. I stated that the Clandestine black lodges do it to because the average person who may see a group of black Brothers doing the walk on YouTube would probably assume that they are PHA. So I was simply stating that the Clandestine black lodges (as in IFAAM, PHO, etc) do it too (because of the videos on YouTube are in fact Not PHA). If this was a PHA board I would have omitted the "black" reference. But seeing as how most of the Brothers on this board aren't black, me saying Clandestine lodges could have lead them to believe that other Clandestine lodges do it. Clandestine could mean GOdF, Italy, or any other Clandestine Jurisdictions, but when I say Black Clandestine most Brothers will automatically make the association with IFAAM, PHO, JGJ, etc.... Since the camel walk, as far as I know, is not done by any of the mainstream Brothers, I wanted to be clear on who I was referring to when I stated Clandestine. My bad if you took it the wrong way Brother.... And you're right, any race can join any Jurisdiction. There are definitely white Brothers who belong to Prince Hall Lodges, as well as black Brothers (like myself) who belong to Mainstream Lodges"

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ADDENDUM - THREE ADDITIONAL YOUTUBE VIDEOS  OF PRINCE HALL SHRINERS  DOING THE CAMEL WALK (also known as "riding"; "ride out")

Video #1 -
Noble Ride Out @ Savannah State University (Georgia)


Say It Aint So Podcast, Nov 2, 2008
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music - Laid Back - "White Horse" (remix)

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Video #2 - Nasty Nobles! Bejilah Temple #163 Harvest Ball 2022


Tristan Perkins, Nov 25, 2022

Shriners Camel walking
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music- Too Short- "Blow The Whistle"


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Videos #3 - 
Camel 🐫 Walkin 🚢🏾‍♂️at the Gala Day 2023 Cookout Augusta Commons

 

Be Like Water, May 8, 2023  AUGUSTA COMMON [Georgia]

AEAONMS Desert of Georgia Nobles πŸ‘³πŸΎ‍♂️πŸ‘³πŸΎ‍♂️πŸ‘³πŸΎ‍♂️πŸ‘³πŸΎ‍♂️πŸ‘³πŸΎ‍♂️πŸ‘³πŸΎ‍♂️πŸ‘³πŸΎ‍♂️ Camel 🐫  Walkin 🚢🏾‍♂️ πŸ“» 🎢 at the Augusta Commons square, in Augusta GA, Saturday, 06 May 2023, 12:00 PM - 4:00 PM.
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Mystikal -"Here I Go" (Radio Version)
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The 1983 Danish Pop song "White Horse" by Laid Back* used to be the "go to" record for PHA Shriners' Camel Walk. However, since 2008? YouTube videos document that other records have largely supplanted Laid Back's "White Horse" as the record that is played for PHA Shriners' Camel Walks. Also, YouTube videos post 2007 or thereabouts of 
PHA Shriners doing that strutting circular dance appear to refer to it as "The Camel Walk" much more often than to "Riding".


*Click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Horse_(Laid_Back_song) for a Wikipedia article about the 1983 record "White Horse".by the Danish duo "Laid Back"

That article doesn't mention the fact that that record used to be the PHA Shriner's Camel Walk ("riding") anthem.  

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