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Monday, September 25, 2023

Some YouTube Discussion Thread Comments About Men Twerking (with a YouTube Video Of New Orleans DJ Jubilee's 1998 Record "Back That Ass Up")


jjcenterprises, Jul 6, 2006

No this ain't no Juvenile's video but yes they are using the same song and they are both from New Orleans. Straight Outta of New Orleans... DJ Jubilee bring the bounce music harder out of New Orleans map. This song "Back That (Ass) Thang Up" has been blow up the south east regional (gulf states) radio & video airwaves via local cable channel.

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post showcases a YouTube video of  New Orleans rapper DJ Jubilee's 1998 song "Back That Ass Up" (also known as "Back That Thang Up"). That video features Black men and Black women doing various twerking dances that DJ Jubilee called out.

This post also presents selected comments from several discussion threads of DJ Jubilee's videos and one video of New Orleans Bounce music. Most of these comments document opinions and attitudes about men twerking in the 1990s New Orleans and elsewhere to this date (2023). 

The content of this post is presented for historical, socio-cultural, and entertainment purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.
  
Thanks to DJ Jubilee and other Bounce music performers for their musical and cultural legacies. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publishers of these videos on YouTube. 
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WARNING- Some of the comments in this compilation are homophobic and don't represent my views about LGBT people.

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THESE YOUTUBE DISCUSSION THREADS
These comments are given in chronological order except for replies. Numbers are added for referencing purposes only. Brief explanatory notes are attached to a  few of these comments.

DISCUSSION THREAD #1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDAxtgk5EJw

[This is the video that is embedded in this post.]

2006

1. @dboifresh
"No Homo on the dudes dancing in the video. I remember dudes used to dance off this crap in school. It brings back good memories of ol' skool dances but...only because the girls used to go hard. SMH"

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2007

2. 
@lroute
"dats how us New Orleans ppl do so get used to it"

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2008

3. @lilbitkay92
"it brings baq memories of de old days. and its funny how dancin changed from then ta now, cuz in the video dudes danced and shaked their ahzez. now, da dudes just act like gangstas and thugs...dey try ta act all hard and stuff while da females dance crazy wit da big booties. datz nasty ta straight girls, but dudes on da otha hand. mahn, its funny how stuff change ova lifetime."

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4. @SlimDBoy
"I guess Juvenile had to return the favor by stealing his stuff, except he made the biggest club banger ever with his lol, Its funny how stuff turn out. I peep how CMR was trynn be tough guys and was trying to call Jubilee nem homo for the tight shiny shirts and twerkin they were doin as men. Its all clearn now. I always wanted to see the videos that went with the dances they was doin."
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Juvenile is a New Orleans' rapper. "His" in this comment refers to DJ Jubilee, another New Orleans rapper. Click https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/jury-sides-with-juvenile-in-song-theft-case-71207/ for a 2003 article about Juvenile and DJ Jubilee. That article reports that a jury ruled against DJ Jubilee in his suit that alleged that Juvenile's hit 1999 song "Back That Azz Up" was based on Jubilee's 1998 song "Back That Thang Up" (also known as "Back That Ass Up").  The two New Orleans rappers had problems with each other prior to the release of both of those songs, as evidenced by DJ Jubilee's diss of Juvenile in his 1993 recird "Jubilee All". 
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CMR= Cash Money Records (Juvenile's record label)

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2009

5. @tdubblz
"yeah i do agree that looking in retrospect this does look gay but back then at home this WAS how EVERYBODY danced. 

remember the beenie weenie?

'Bounce fa da juvenile' / That ain't it! / Do the Jubilee  Aw / he made that sh-t*!"
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*This word is fully spelled out in that comment. The words "Bounce fa da juvenile' / That ain't it! / Do the Jubilee ", a  diss to the rapper Juvenile,  are part of the lyrics to that song. "the Beenie Weenie" is a dance that DJ Jubilee made up and called out in his 1993 "Jubilee All" record.

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2010

6. @mizzundefined95
"I question all of these guys sexuality"

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7. @thenixonsfrombmoretotexas7208
"Did they make the dance 4 males n females?? Lol"

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8.@SassySax, 2014
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lol well yeah...... guys twerked just as well in New Orleans lol"

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9. @freeX3yourself
"Back in the day it was okay for a boy to twerk.... But today you get judged"

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10. @Mookie504
"Shouldn't really give a crap about who judge you. If Missy Elliott, Mia X, MC Lyte, Queen Latifah, Lil Kim and Salt-N-Pepa can rap like the fellas, then it's cool that men wobble, shake and twerk like females. We worry about what people think of us too much. If they don't like us, they can just F <%k off!!! Can't please everyone."
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This is the way that comment is written in that discussion thread.

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11. @letstalkwithpatrickpodcast
"Twerking been out in the south since the early 90's. Funny how Miley Cyrus do it it is all of a sudden a new dance. I'm from GA and we been saying that word for a long time along with N.O. and other southern areas"

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2011

12. @twirl2009
"is he gay..im from baton rouge and still cant tell if this dude gay....ummmm can someone from the N.O answer that for me cuz guys dont dance like this in baton rouge lol beat is hot though lol"

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2012

13. @imperialcadsr
"To all the people saying this is gay,back then in the early 90's those were the styles then and a man got much play from the ladies if u danced. That what we did  and do in the south. Tha N.O is a party Period this video is old and a classic that made a lot of people famous,rich, and gave young blk men and women something to do then hang on the block or kill so if you Aint been here before visit and I bet my 401 k ur views change"

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14. 
@OfficialTHOEDMusic
"Classic song but suspect as f--k*, like wtf was going in in NO , loon at the bounce scenes now full of gay artist. Going hard tho can’t lie"
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.

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2021

15. @timsmith4631
"I never knew men twerking was a thing"

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16. @Mookie504
"It is. You don’t see that around too much"

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17. @Street__Tmz
"Grown men twerking wtf"

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18. @Mookie504
"I like seeing men twerk and shake. Men get discriminated, homophobic, or sexist by other people for shaking and twerking . That’s nothing wrong with a man shaking his ass or twerking. This was before Lil Nas X Industry Baby where men was twerking. I don’t care if y’all agree or disagree about men twerking or shaking. Cheeky Blakk, DJ Jubilee, & Partners-N Crime also few New Orleans Bounce artist say twerk something, Ni--a*. I still shake and twerk. That’s like saying Women not suppose to play football or any other sport."
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.

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2022

19.@orlandeuce6567
"DUDES TWERKING????"

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DISCUSSION THREAD #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSCz5RP2gfY "DJ Jubilee "Jubilee All", published by Albatross Records\RN'D Distribution,LLC., Feb 29, 2012


2014

1. @gadjit07
"this is when it was cool for guys to twerk."

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2. @teem5642, 2020
" @lionheart4529  naah doubt it was. Gay people not known for twerking. Ofcourse now it aint cool for man to be twerking. Think about it, bright colors used to be big pimping, now embraced by gay people at prides. Everything has its time i guess. Skinny jeans were considered gay but loads man are wearing them now"

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3. @kgoldwire9706, 2020
"It was never cool for guys to twerk. IDK what this dude got going on"

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4. @cameroncarter1639, 2020
"It was never cool for dudes to twerk"

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5. @Nino-zg4ux, 2021
"It was never cool for dudes to twerk wth"

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6. @beecool2888, 2021
" @kgoldwire9706  😂😂 never been and im from new Orleans. Wtf he trippin off"

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7. @lql1094,2021
" @kgoldwire9706  I haf'ta agree. Dudes stickin' they ass out just look gay. I still bounce to the music tho."

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8. @fa9183,2022
"Still cool in Africa lol"

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2017

9. @silvabackseth5334
"lol I've lived in new Orleans for about a a fuw months and they got gay gangsters out there brah and dudes shake ass out there heavy sh-t* weird kuz in frome dha city I will never understand dha sh-t*  it's gay"
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*This word is  fully spelled out in this comment.

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2019

10. @Priinsu
"So the first recorded instance of a song or video of twerking is men twerking? I think this drives the point home about gender being a social construct. I mean typically when we think of twerking we think of women doing it because it's mostly thought of as something women ( and effeminate men) do but here in this video we see seemingly straight men twerking in rap no less and proud of it. Somewhere along the line from this until now there was a shift in gender expectations for twerking. Where even though one of the first depictions of twerking was by men it became something more associated with feminity and considered less masculine.

Idk I just think it's interesting the way it played out."

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2020

11. @kennedyram
"Were those boys twerking?"

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12. @johnathan.pickle6335
"Hell yeah"

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2023

13. @jonathannorris2052
"Dude was sweeter than 5 pounds of sugar"

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14. @H2K480
"Most dudes in this video wuz killas"

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DISCUSSION THREAD #3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6tLnYx7xbk "
DJ Jubilee - Do The Jubilee All", published by jjcenterprises, Jul 6, 2006

Straight Outta of New Orleans... DJ Jubilee bring the bounce music harder out of New Orleans map. This song "Do the Jubilee All" has been seen in Bayou Classic & NBC nationwide during their halftime back in late 90's.


2012

1. @1barbiedollboo
"I was in middle school.....lafayette la.....couldnt tell me and my clique we werent the sh@/!  at those middle schl dances doing the jubilee, wearing gangsta nikes, starched down jeans, with the tommy shirt and snkskn belt....kmsl"
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This is how this comment is given in this discussion thread.

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2013 

2. @tswagg504
"yeah this song is old...came out in like 93. It's funny to see people think that twerking is something new, and I've known about it my whole life. When I was in third grade back then, the girls used to twerk to this on the school yard lol."

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3. @purpandorange
"HAHAH definitely early 1990s"

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4. @quavonlyons1874
"gives me a good picture of how adulta used to dance n parties"

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5. @bigcartoonyIIV
"LOL. Shot out to the grown men that still do the bennieweenie..lol"

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2021

5. @issaread5937
"yall notice its men twerking too! get it!"

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6. @Jijuane
"Real men are twerking 😩🤣🤣🤣"

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DISCUSSION THREAD #4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYZgp8vYsU8 "
Ya Heard Me®..... New Orleans Bounce Music Film", published by Allgood Tvshow, Aug 10, 2006

2009

@saintdenis11
"is it me or are all the top bounce artist today gay? kattin red, gotty boi chris, even old school take fo is gay. I know from the start bounce had a gay side to hit. the only time i saw men shaking their ass was to bounce music. but now it seems to be 90% gay? is it just me? i ain't trying to dis bounce or gay people. I don't hate like that, but that is just something im noticing."
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"Take Fo'" is DJ Jubilee's record label. "Fo'" here means "Four".

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DISCUSSION THREAD #5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvrfLQhQvBA&t=3078s NewOrleans Mardi Gras 1992, published by Gank D,  June 28,2017


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2018

1. @SUNNYLEO24
"31:01 he doin to much "😑Lil Boy" "

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@edwardjohnson9282
"Smh.....I see y'all got the boys twerking too"


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3. @in_da_shade_wit_guccipaid510, 2023
"The boys was eating doe lol 😂😂😂 I’m from north Louisiana and me and my boy cousins use to eat to lol my daddy and grandpa use to gas me up to twerk back I. In the 90s I was 2 when this video came out so by 2002 I couldn’t be touched in twerking 😂"
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"The boys were eating doe" = "The boys were eating though' .

In the context of this comment, "eating" means to do something very well. 

"gas me up"= spur me on; encourage me 

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4. @moniquegorman
"Been twerking.. The boyz was moving more than the girls..mannnn I miss these days.."


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2021

5, @captrodgers4273
"twerkin before it was twerkin"

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2022

6. @dimviesel
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This is a trip

I thought twerking started in Miami…

Great classic footage🤙🏾"

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7. @gankd2154
"No bro don't let them fool Ya a lot of people think that, but New Orleans started twerking first. DJ Jubilee & Cheeky Blakk created the word "TWERK" it wasn't even in the dictionary. Thank you 💯"

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8. @freedomisthechoicesyoumake8594
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@gankd2154  Africa started twerking/bouncing first, that's where it originated from"

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9. @gankd2154
"@freedomisthechoicesyoumake8594  yea I Know 🤣"

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10. @ga4l487
""twerking" has always been a Southern thing. So it was everywhere, we justdidn't have social media to connect us."

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11. @macka1815
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In New Orleans it was called p poppin"

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12. @in_da_shade_wit_guccipaid510, 2023
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Yes it’s called poppin in Louisiana north Shreveport 318 ratchet city"

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Tuesday, June 25, 2013

A Video Of "Regina" by Angolan Singer Socorro & The Differences Between Traditional Angolan Dancing & Twerking

Edited by Azizi Powell

This post showcases the Angolan singer Soccoro's song "Regina" and includes my comments about the dancing done by women in that video. This post also includes some information about Socorro.

The content of this post is provided for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

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INFORMATION ABOUT SOCCORO
From http://allafrica.com/stories/201201230199.html
"22 January 2012 Luanda — Angolan musician Kalayandi José Kabeya "Socorro" will this Sunday present, at the Independence Square, in Luanda, his third album entitled "Nzimbu (meaning money)" in the Kikongo vernacular language.

The album has 10 tracks sang in Kikongo and in the Kilapanga, Sungura and Semba music genres, as well as a mixture of Congolese rhythms.

The CD was recorded in Luanda and received its finishing touches in Germany, where 10,000 copies of the CD were edited.

The singer's music repertoire includes CDs such as "Meu Dever" (2007) and "Kuvata Dieto" (2009).

Born in the northern province of Uige, Socorro started singing gospel music in the late 80s with instruments like the traditional marimba and wood guitars."
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The same biographical information about Socorro is found in other allAfrica.com articles. Among those articles is one in which Socorro calls for more support of blind artists in Angola.

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SHOWCASE VIDEO
Example #1: socorro (regina) original



Paca Davis, Uploaded on Oct 29, 2009

Traditional Music of Angola; Ritimo quente do Quimbele
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I believe that Socorro's music is an example of Soukous music.
I'd love to know what this song means & what language/s it is sung in.

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RELATED LINK
Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/05/cote-divoires-mapouka-dance-roots-of.html Cote D’Ivoire's Mapouka Dance - The Roots Of Twerking (information & videos)

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THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN TRADITIONAL AFRICAN DANCING IN SOCCORO'S REGINA VIDEO & TWERKING DANCING
One of the dance movements that the women in Socorro's video "Regina" do* is similar to the contemporary -2013- dance that Americans call "twerking". However, in that 2009 video that twerking movement -when the women face backward, lean slightly forward & shake their butt - is combined with other dance movements. That face backward, lean forward. butt shaking movement doesn't last very long & thus isn't emphasized in that dance. As a result, it seems to me that that traditional butt shaking movement isn't as "raunchy"** as it would be if it were done by itself. Notice also that the women dancers' clothing isn't the short, form fitting butt emphasizing shorts or "tights" that are worn by American "twerker" dancers. Because their clothing is much less form fitting, the dance these women in Socorro's video do is much less sexually provocative than twerking is.

* For example, at 1:39/1:40 of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FFDotPs77M

**"Raunchy" is an African American slang word which can mean the same thing as "nasty". The contemporary African American adjective "rachet" can mean the same as raunchy & nasty.

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Thursday, May 16, 2013

Cote D’Ivoire's Mapouka Dance - The African Roots Of Twerking (information & videos)


Dimitri Kouassi,  May 2, 2020


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WARNING  Most videos of Mapouka are age restrictive and can only be viewed on YouTube because of their sexually suggestive movements.

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Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest revision- September 24, 2023

This pancocojams post presents information about & three YouTube videos of the Mapouka Dance of Cote D' Ivory (the Ivory Coast), West Africa.

This post also presents information about the New Orleans, Louisiana (USA) dance "popping" (known more widely as "twerking") which is based on Mapouka and other butt shaking African dances.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are featured in these videos. Thanks also to those who are quoted in this post, and thanks to the producers and YouTube publishers of these videos.
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Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/06/a-video-of-regina-by-angolan-singer.html A Video Of "Regina" by Angolan Singer Socorro & The Differences Between Traditional Angolan Dancing & Twerking

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INFORMATION ABOUT THE MAPOUKA DANCE
From http://pagnecraze.wordpress.com/tag/mapouka/
"Mapouka
Also known as Macouka, it is a traditional dance from the area of Dabou in southeast Côte d’Ivoire, sometimes carried out during special ceremonies. It is also known as, “La danse du fessier” or “the danse of the behind”.

This dance has a choreography that can be very sexually suggestive. The dance mostly involves women shaking their buttocks sideways vigorously, facing away from their audience. In the 1980′s, artists of the Ivory Coast tried without much success to popularize it. One of the most well known groups is Tueuses de Mapouka.

There are two forms of the dance, the original and the modern. The modern is danced mostly by young people and is considered more obscene and improper by some due to its suggestive nature.

In 1998, the government of Côte d’Ivoire decided to prohibit its performance in public. It is, paradoxically, following this prohibition that the dance now enjoys a very fast-growing global popularity, especially in the sub-Saharan countries and western nations with large Francophone communities."
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From http://niguisaff.com/mapoukadance.htm
"Mapouka - is an exciting dance-form emanating from Cote D’Ivoire. The dance is the traditional expression of the peoples of the Southern villages of Cote D’Ivoire--the Avikam. The dance has long been a part of the Avikam expression--quintessential to their traditional belief system and a matter of ceremony.

In the early 1990s, the dance was discovered by the outside world when a number of videos began circulating in Paris, France. What the world saw was incredible. Women moving their legs in such a manner that their behinds gyrate with minimal assistance from hips or waist. The dance emerged from a history of traditional ceremonies where the women wore long wrap-skirts. But now, it was on display in clubs and dance halls where buxom young women wiggled their bottoms while wearing shorter skirts and spandex-shorts. The dance now suddenly appeared provocative. In fact, in 1995, the dance was outlawed in Cote D’Ivoire because the authorities deemed it erotic and inappropriate. The dance has legally returned and continues to enjoy immense popularity not only in Cote D’Ivoire but also throughout West Africa."
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From http://www.nytimes.com/2000/05/28/world/dance-has-africans-shaking-behinds-and-heads.html "Dance Has Africans Shaking Behinds, and Heads" By NORIMITSU ONISHI, Published: May 28, 2000
"The night was getting wild, the air tense with expectation, as the crowd at a military academy here waited for the show's top act, three female Ivoirian dancers known as Les Tueuses, or The Killers. Until last December, Les Tueuses, the queens of a suggestive dance craze called the mapouka, had been banned from television, judged too vulgar by the government, which was subsequently toppled in a Christmas Eve coup.

Their reputation rehabilitated under military rule, Les Tueuses finally took the stage recently, quickly shedding their diaphanous white robes in favor of blue sequined bikini tops and long skirts with, of course, never-ending slits. As uniformed soldiers stretched to keep the crowd of hundreds under control, Les Tueuses plunged into the audience, targeting a cadet here, another there, leaving the young men, and women spectators, dazed under a blur of gyration and Banned from Ivoirian television -- chased away by officials in neighboring countries like Togo, Niger, Burkina Faso and Benin -- mapouka spread nevertheless along the West African coast, from Dakar to Kinshasa, in the last couple of years. The dance -- which focuses on, though is not limited to, the surprisingly difficult act of wiggling one's buttocks without moving one's hips -- also became an endless source of discussions and newspaper ruminations on culture, sex, women and men, especially here in the Ivory Coast.

It was perhaps a measure of the fallen government's disconnection with its 16 million citizens that it tried to ban mapouka, even as the dance grew so popular that many young women desperately tried to gain weight -- the better to perform a dance that works best with an ample backside. After the military took power, it seemed that the new government's first major policy shift was directed at mapouka....

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INFORMATION ABOUT MAPOUKA AND OTHER BUTT [BOOTY] SHAKING AFRICAN DANCES
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QegcjUWuQI
"Booty dance has been gracing the land of Africa for as long as one cares to remember. Today the sights of booty dance are familiar in the west from pop to hip hop. And of course, you have Jamaican dancehall and Tahiti Ora Vahine. Back to Africa where it all began. Some call it mapouka, some kuitata, kiuno, viuno, coupé décalé etc... the booty dance is enjoyed from traditional to modern dances. It has been seen in soukous, kwasa kwasa, musiki wa dansi, Congo has been on the forefront in integrating traditional dance with booty dance, with soukous and kwasa kwasa dance styles being the most recognized vehicles. Tanzania and Kenya drew inspiration from Congo and they too integrated traditional dance into modern music....

The mapouka became popular in the nightclubs of Abidjan before catching on abroad. Congo has traditionally been the big exporter of music and dance in Africa, and so the mapouka was something of a first for the Ivory Coast."

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INFORMATION ABOUT TWERKING
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twerking
"Twerking is a "dance move that involves a person shaking their hips and bottom in a bouncy up and down motion, causing it to shake, 'wobble' and 'jiggle'."[1] and to "twerk" means to "dance in a sexually suggestive twisting fashion".[2]

Etymology
The word "twerking" is believed to be derived from one of two sources:
1.the phrase "twerk it," which in turn was created from combining "to" and "work it."

2.a portmanteau of twist and jerk.[1]

Twerking (as a modern dance) originated in New Orleans, Louisiana. Ties have been made to many traditional African dances.[3] An example of such traditional dances is Mapouka."

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SHOWCASE VIDEO #2 - Mapouka à Dabou



Coach PLACIDE AMANI, Sep 2, 2019

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SHOWCASE VIDEO #3 - mapouka sud

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adjapo2001, Uploaded on Sep 13, 2010

Troupe artistique " Zaossou" d'Abidjan

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