Which Racial Identifiers Do Black People In The United States Use Now? (Selected Comments From The July 10, 2025 TabithaSpeaksPolitics Discussion Thread)

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post showcases a vlog and selected comments from TabithaSpeaksPolitics YouTube channel in which Tabitha corrects misperceptions about whether or not she is connected to several Black racial groups, movements, or lineages.

This post also presents some comments from that video's discussion threads about how they racially identify themselves.

The content of this post is presented for historical and socio-cultural purposes  

All copyrights remain with their owners

Thanks to TabithaSpeaksPolitics for her YouTube vlog and thanks to all those who are quoted in this pancocojams post.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/06/article-excerpts-about-population.html for a pancocojams post explaining the terms "Foundational Black Americans" (FBA) and the closely related term "Americans Descendants Of Slaves (ADOS).
 
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A QUOTE FROM THIS VLOG'S DISCUSSION THREAD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYxd63y1Bwo

"I'm getting a lot of people trying to connect me to FBA's Foundational black Americans.
I am not a .. I don't identify as a foundational black American. I Yeah. The the head of of 
that group. No. Mm-m. I mm- no, it's a no. Okay.

People are trying to connect me to um I believe that's American Descendants of Slaves. I'm not connected to that group either. Not at all.

Somebody asked me about the Nation of Islam. I'm not connected to them either.

Somebody asked me about um Hebrew Israelite. I am not connected to to that ...them either. I am not connected to any of these groups.

I am a Black American.

That's it. I roll alone"...

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VLOG'S DISCUSION THREAD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYxd63y1Bwo

All of these comments were published on July 10, 2025. These comments are given in relative chronological order based on their publishing time, except for replies.

Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.

1. @poshscene
"Per the scriptures, we American Blacks are from the tribe of Judah, we are not even African. African come from Ham. We black Americans are from Shem (both Noah’s sons): It’s about bloodline. That’s why Africans look different and treat us a tourist and don’t like us either. We are not the same. So much more to this story but I’m going to leave it here…we were in Africa because in the land of Judah where we lived, we were taken over by Babylon in the scriptures of Kings so we fled to Africa to blend in and that why we were there and that’s why the Africans sold us out because we were not them. They are our cousins though but we are not African that s why there is no connection."

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2. @PrettyPowerfulAndPersevering
"I’m blackety black black BLACK AMERICAN"

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3. @precioustee19
"Black American all day in all ways  and proud to be!!"

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4. @candyfields535
"Thank you, Tabitha, for all your efforts. We appreciate you! 100%. I'm a Black American female expat living abroad.  I view your podcast everyday. You keep me informed. I'm not familiar with those groups. I was wondering what FOB stood for. lol...Tabitha, you keep rolling alone and focus on Black Americans. Full stop."
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"FOB" is a typo for "FBA" (Foundational Black American).

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5. @dianneyung111
"I'm a 92 percenter.  Other than that I am a black American woman. Full stop."
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"92 percenter" - The percentage of Black women who were reported (by state's voter exit polls) to have voted for Kamala Harris for President in the November 5, 2024 United States national election. 

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6. @mnat089
"I am a Black American woman.  I'm associated with momma, daddy & em!! LOL!!!"

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7. @2good2leaveunow
"I am Black, like Tabatha, I don't belong to any of those groups mentioned. I am Black American and am a descendent of slaves and people who lived through the history of  lacks in America. I do not identify as African American. That term is vague as Africa is a continent. My culture is that of Black American. And yes, I can recognize the disrespect that Africans who look down on us and who think they are better as they run to the US for Black American dollars, screw up Black American festivals and talk smack. I am not here for the foolery."

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8. @greymatters7039
"THANK YOU!  I don’t know where all these factions cropped up from, but I’m an American who happens to be black. 

My family is multiracial and we’ve been here since the 1800’s comprised of free and enslaved descendants."

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9. @ShouttyCatt
"They cropped up specifically to create division. Think of how all the divisions happening within this country. Between the races, sexes, political parties, etc. It’s ON PURPOSE.

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10. @ShiningHawkHealing
"In 1988 Jessie Jackson made the announcement that Black People no longer wanted to be called Black. (No one called me or anyone in my family.)  His reasoning is that we as Black People would be more united with a name that represents a history rather than a color. It sounds noble and would be if it had any effect on our situation as a minority culture in this America. As a Black Woman in her 60's I have always been uncomfortable being called African American because I have never been African. I have always been Black and I have always been American. I love ALL people and I want to respect the culture of every person I meet. Preferring to be one thing over another is everyone's right as human beings. There should be no problem here. This Black woman, Tabitha chooses to be called Black American. She is a proud Black woman who knows what she wants. Why is that a problem?  We shouldn't get all twisted up and take off earrings because her choice is not your choice. As for Essence, it's like Harlem...gentrified. That is the way of this world. People will sell out their culture for dollars and then wonder why the culture dies out.  Peace and love to all.  Stay safe. Stay frosty.  Walk in Beauty.💚💚💚"

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11. @jacquelynjackson4346
"Tabitha I support and I stand with you. Im a black American woman two that is half Filipino bit I have always been a black woman...period"

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12. @Legally_Bomb
"Black American 🇺🇸 man here with 8 great-grandparents descended from American chattel slavery. We don’t need a group—we are one, already connected by blood. 🩸 We descend from the roughly 388,000 Africans forcibly brought to what became the U.S. Our shared lineage is our unbreakable bond."

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13. @precioustee19
"Black American all day in all ways  and proud to be!!"

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14. @miltoncraighead3659
"Thank you, Tabitha. I am a "Black American", not African American. An American of African descent."

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15. @Anthony-hs9wb
"I am a Caribbean born Black American."

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16. @hillarydaniel2936
"I’m black from the Caribbean. I consider myself Jamerican😂, but I identify very much with black America, and respect the struggles, but not with any of those groups you mentioned."

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17. @KevinGarris-b9o
"The only ideology that considers the overall collective, while making room for the individual expression of groups within it, is Pan-Africanism. The  native born Black American,, Nigerian, Trinidadian, Jamaican, etc doesn't have to throw off his individual identity, but recognizes his connection to the whole. Are there those who are divisive within the diaspora, sure, but we  exclude them from the Pan-African vision."

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18. @lukewhite3033
"Obsidian Luke here. It took a while but your’s is the only comment that gets to the core. Divided we fail.  Every one of us have to account for our time on this passage called life. ❤"

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19.@KevinGarris-b9o
 @lukewhite3033  Thank you brotha, I see that as our only path forward.

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20. @lisawicks8205
"I’ve been saying this…. I’m a Black American woman…. And do not call me African-American either."

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21. @lindarussell1287
"Remember back in the day (To be young gifted and BLACK) I'M a black American ten toes down." 

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22. @NCT127stan
"I’m a black American woman my are parents black American and grandparents were black American and my great great grandparents were black American and  I’m’ proud of it.  Nobody has the right to tell me who i am.  And I am part of 92% in a red state."

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23. @Gerberdaisy77
"I am a woman of certain age and was never comfortable with the term “African American.”  I wasn’t born in Africa.  Most Africans don’t like the term either and I don’t blame them."

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24. @louwill2012
"Black Guyanese American here,  Black people, stop the division.. do not take a page from MAGA, and become, MBASGA- Make Black Americans Slaves Great Again? If this is about reparations, it is all yours. Trump said that the check is in the mail"

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25. @tomikkapershard1952
"I Stand With You ❤❤❤  I Am A Black American Woman 🫶🏾🫶🏾🫶🏾 And Appreciate You Tabitha 10 Toes Down !!!"

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26. @chukwumaduru2435
"As a Nigerian American male!  I respect and empathize with the lived experiences of African Americans.  Thank you for your content!"

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27. @GrammaJamma4U
"You have every right to be who you are. I am a Black American, acknowledging my African ancestry, a descendant of both the kidnapped and the dispossessed.  I appreciate the Diaspora and Pan-Africanism as long as respect is mutual. We are connected but we are of many cultures, faith systems, and diverse histories.  When you come to this country I expect respect. When I visit other countries I give my respect. It has to be a two way street. We are a unique people stripped of our languages, religions, cultures and land. We recreated our selves through defiance, struggle, perseverance and a refusal to bow to erasure, while creating our unique linguistics and music genres. I am more than ready to appreciate those who appreciate us."

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28. @hipking23
"I'm black Caribbean, and I get your messaging Tabitha. You been true to your purpose and goals since day one. I support you 💯."

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29. @RBaldwinning
"I'm still trying to figure out why everyone is in such an uproar for us wanting to delineate ourselves. If you ask anyone in the diaspora if they are Black American, they will quickly correct you and tell you where they're from. The minute we proudly proclaim to be Black American, we're promoting hate and division. This has nothing to do with hating other people in the diaspora. Living in South Florida, I experienced the disrespect first hand on a consistent basis for years from people within the diaspora. Being told that Black American women were dirty, ratchet, and loud. That Bllack Americans in general were lazy and that because i worked hard and was educated that I must be Carribean - that is NOT a compliment. I would NEVER go to someone else's country and disrespect them like that. I experienced more insults from people within the diaspora than I ever did from yt ppl. Sorry for the long message but this is all real personal. I'm with you sis. Enough with the disrespect. Love to everyone but stop it with the nonsense!"

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30. @NotJustYet3579
"I'm just a black man in a hostile land.  That simple."

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31. @robertmartinjr.4537
"Im a American Born Proud Black Man. Nuff said💯💪✌️"

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32. @tinajoneswilliams4253
"I have always been Black, not African American, or anything else. As a teen in the 60s, James Brown admonished us to Say It Loud. I'm Black, and I'm Proud." Xoxo 💕"

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33. @GoldBonap
"I am a African American... that's it. Like Ms. Tabitha... Not just connecting to any group.  WE thank you ☮☮💜💜"

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34. @EELCA
"You have great support from the Caribbean. We stand with you and thankful to you for educating us on the black American culture. I wish immigrants would take the time list to your podcast and be grateful if the get the opportunity to live in the country that welcome them whether it's the US or any other country. Stay blessed sending love from the Caribbean 😊😊"

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35. @bigutz8335
"Why can’t people just let you be who you want to be. I am Black American. The group I am affiliated with is my Momma and the rest of my family."

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36. @thatonegirlelaine
"I am a Black American. Point blank, periodt."

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37. @celestephillips4832
"From the cradle to the grave, I'm a Black American Woman"

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38. @meep2253
"I'm a proud AFRICAN American descendant of Cameroon Peoples."

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39. @Royalgazlite
"​@meep2253 Some of us are a mixture, my father's side has mostly black foundational roots, but my mother's side is a mixture of lots of things. Yes we claim are ancestors came from Africa but majority of us our people have been here before slavery, some indigenous etc. So conclusion, we claim black as a culture! Our history is black American history. Not everyone elses ! Get it or this is still so complicated. The government put the label African American to identify, them from us!"

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40. @itachimistress
"I make white people say African American lol"

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41. @mariehernandez5878
"I appreciate you saying this.  I often thought the designation was presumptuous."

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42. @Royalgazlite
"@itachimistress 😂 I get it! Because the way they say "The BLACK'S " makes me want toooo 💪🏽💥"

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43. @itachimistress
"Exactly! I ain't time to side eye! 😂​ @Royalgazlite"

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44. @shaywilliams3358
"I am so with you I’m a black American even though I have Native American in my background and I have Irish American in my background, but I’m black and a black."

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46. @odesinadosunmu3923
"2:23  Yes! Canadians call themselves Black Canadian or simply black. Only those who actually have an African parent can we say Afro Canadian, but even then, we are black. I am glad to see more and more black Americans' identity as black American."

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47. @Tiff_76543
"On the census we are African American though."

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48. @SeasonedWoman1900
"What’s so strange is the entire world is fascinated with black Americans and our culture yet don’t want to give us our respect! I am over it too

I don’t know about everyone else, but I have always had a problem with the term African-American given the fact that we have so much other blood running through our veins European blood, Native American blood Latin blood all these bloodlines running through our veins which is basically America

I’m not putting anyone else down, but I don’t think black America owes anybody anything"

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49. @lakesharobinson111
"I am a Black American woman and I'm proud"

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50. @snookiejackson7602
"I am a Black American Man born and raise from New Orleans period"

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51. @swatkashamphotoimagery-n3e
"I am a Nigerian and there is NOTHING that will make me disrespect Black Americans! I honor you, I honor the pain and struggles that you have  had to face. I may not be received, and may be looked at with suspicion, but I'm not even mad at that - I understand. As for me and mine, we will fight for what you fight for."

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52. @johnwebb2442
"We Are Family, the African Diaspora."

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53. @TunTheOfficial
"🥺 I’m a black girl with Caribbean descent but I see y’all as my people being I been here all my life. Texas born"

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54. @msjay8668
"I’m with you. I am black America. Not African  either."

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55. @Tesha-A
"I so agree! Black America all day."

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56. @vindictivetiger
"I am a Black American woman... all of my ppl traced back 12 generations were all born here. My daughter has done extensive work on our family tree and we're blackity black black black only."

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57. @ValerieYates-m4h
"I am a Black American Woman, born here, fourth generation strong."

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58. @johnwebb2442
"I'm a Black American too.   I was born Black, I was raised Black and I'll die Black."

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59. @exiledfrommyself
"For as long as I can remember, whenever someone asked me, I would always say I'm American. I didn't need to include the black part because you can obviously see the color of my skin. I don't understand why we have all these different things now. It just seems like a way to divide us. The white racists don't care what we identify as; they're going to treat us all the same way."

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60. @1fortune2010
"Good for you, that you stated you're an American, however, I don't like the term "Black", because my skin color is not black and neither is yours, but I guess we have to live with this terminology."

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61. @kelvinbrown8131
"Proud Black man from South Central Los Angeles period ✌🏿"

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62. @Dot-t2k
"I support every descendant of Africans'  right to define themselves for themselves. 

I have been through all the name changes we experienced:  Negro, Colored, Afro American, African American, and New World African (which somehow never caught fire).

Identify (or not) how you want.

The only thing that matters is this:

STANDING AGAINST RACISM WHETHER FROM WITHOUT OR WITHIN.

Thank you, Tabitha, for your content."

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63. @MariaRogers-xh5od
"I don't think foundational Black Americans are a group Tabitha, but that is how a lot of young Blacks are calling themselves! It's not a group, its a term!!! We are Black Americans, Foundational Black Americans call themselves Black Americans!!"

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64. @PPHDocumentaries
"Black American and African American mean the same thing. Black and African is used is used interchangeably in certain situations. And Black American And African American is used interchangeably. You don`t have to have been to Africa to be a African American. Africa is not necessarily where your born, its in you. Its a ethnicity. Ethnicity means shared ancestry shared culture and place of origin. It  don`t have to be all 3. I`m not telling you how to identify i`m just stating facts to get rid of any confusion."

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65. @catbaloo22
"I have never identified myself as an African American. As with most of us Americans who are Black (with a capital ‘B’) our ancestors were brought here from Africa but were stripped of almost every tie to Africa; the languages, the traditions, the cultures. Our ancestors had to blend the fragments saved from various tribes with the harsh realities of the cruelty of slavery and creat something new. Black American culture is a unique 100% American creation that has been contributing to and influencing all American culture since the beginning of this nation. Black folks in the United States today are about as African as white folks here are British."

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66. @mackadoo101
"Tell them Tabitha! I am not connected to any of the above. But what I am is A Black Proud American Woman...and that's it! Like it or lump it! My Ancestors were brought over to this country as slaves. We have heritage from all of that. But I personally am not from Africa, therefore I am not African. I am straight up American and happily a Black American Woman!"

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67. @peachesjohnson9387
"ME TOO 92% HERE ❤😊"

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68. @yvettewilliams5967
"Thank you Tabitha. You are a BLACK AMERICAN WOMAN! PROUD, STRONG, EDUCATED AND WISE! Do not join any of those groups, many of them have some real ‘hate’ issues. I saw a few talking some stuff. Continue to be yourself. No fighting with anyone. I am with you CARIBBEAN AMERICAN here."

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69. @sadiewilliams
"I'm a black American my daddy a black American my mama is a black American my grandpa my grandma are black Americans my great-great-grandparents is black American!"

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70. @violawood309
"Thank you sis, I actually had to look up a lot of these titles. We started off as colored, then negro, then afro American, then African American, then black American, and now foundational American...stop, just.....stop! Say it loud! We're black and we're proud!"

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71. @ricofrost3676
"Tabitha, you are actually an Israelite by birth as are all us so called black peoples who descended from slaves. This is 💯 percent facts and the Bible is our history book. All of the things happening now has been written in the Bible and once we as a people turn back to Our God Yah in heaven our deliverance is nigh…please check this for yourself"

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72. @tammhawk15
"I am a black American that happened to be foundational to this country."

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73. @CynFromMN
"I'm Blackety Blackety Black ya'll! I BLACK and I'm Proud!!!!!"

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74. @johnwebb2442
"Me too."

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75. @lwills8609
"Say It Loud!!!  This is me all day everyday!!!"

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76. @drkCapricornrose
"Say it again sis! ✊🏾💅🏾"

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77. @elanatyson2347
"I remember talking to someone from my past after many years who had at some point aligned himself with the Black Israelite movement, which I know absolutely nothing about . . . he told me that the first thing I needed to do was to get my passport in order, " . . . in case you have to leave this country." And he was serious. My response was that I have no intention of leaving because this country is where I am from . . . I am a Black American. Where am I supposed to run away to - Israel?"

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78. @sharonb.9128
"Got it. I will still consider myself an African American despite the black diaspora trying to treat us like or worse than white people. What I refuse to do is allow anyone to define me as “descents of slaves” as if we didn’t exist before we were dragged here. We are descended from the builders of civilization. I’m a descendant of much more than slaves"

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79. @Nemby2
"Regardless of where we were shipped, we were all BLACK!!!  As a people we were shipped and traded internationally."

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80. @maryjackson9816
"My ancestors were kidnapped from Africa.  Some African nations was involved in selling slaves.  I was born in America, with that being said, I am a black american.  If you're not, you do you"

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81. @lindah.2815
"First let me state I am a black american. Now. What the heck is a Foundational American. I didn't know we had all these different groups out there."

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82. @sabrinacheeks8876
"I'm a proud black American born in Texas...black like that...💙💙💙 92 percent 🙏🙏 God bless us all 🙏"

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83 @CLARA-j9o
"I love you, speak up im partly from the Caribbean diaspora and i respect black americans"

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84. @siennathique3779
"What-the-what⁉️ What’s going on? I must be missing something! We’ve got to get it together y’all! “United We Stand, Divided We Fall”!🙏🏾"

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85. @Kenwyfe29
"The groups are only a diversion and another way to cause confusion and division between the Black American community. Don’t fall for it!"

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86. @MALLYGEEZ1
"Im so confused by this convo. Why are different groups of black people getting bent out of shape by what other black people identify as???"

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87.@rayhunt6696
"What do you mean when you say you’re a  Black American? Are you of of Haitian Descent? Nigerian? Ghanaian American? They’re all black as well."

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88. @CoachAhava-0000
"Proud black American femme. i may be ethnically mixed yet i am culturally black. and proud.  Past groups had problems also and until the misogyny and self hate stuff is addressed I'll be blackity black black."

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89. @fgurley1
"Agree Tabitha! Black American woman here walking tall through it ALL!"

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90. @lyndapatterson850
"I have a sincere question for you what do you consider a black American? You know black is a color, where is Black land at? Do you know people identify themselves with a land culture and geography if you take the Chinese they have a land geography and culture ! When you say black , where is black land at?"

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Racialized Examples Of "I Like Coffee. I Like Tea" (also known as "Down Down Baby") Hand Clap Rhymes (from the visitors' discussion thread for a pancocojams post about that rhyme)

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This pancocojams post presents all of the comments and my replies from the visitors' discussion thread for the pancocojams post entitled "Racialized Versions Of "I Like Coffee I Like Tea" ("I Like A Black Boy And He Likes Me" and other racial referents)".

https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2012/01/racialized-versions-of-i-like-coffee-i.html

That pancocojams post was published on January 17, 2012. The last visitor's comment was published on February 5, 2021. I published a reply to that commenter and also published another example of that rhyme on January 21, 2022. I also published the latest comment on that discussion thread on January 24, 2022. However, that discussion thread is still open for additional comments. 

The content of this post is presented for historical, folkloric, cultural, and recreational purposes.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. 

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WHAT I MEAN BY THE WORD "RACIALIZED" IN THE CONTEXT OF CHILDREN'S RECREATIONAL RHYMES
In the context of children's recreational rhymes, my use of the word "racialized" means examples of rhymes whose earliest known examples don't include any reference to race or ethnicity, but which include one or more of those references in later examples. 

The word "racialized" may also be used to refer to certain examples of newly created recreational rhymes that include one or more reference/s to race or ethnicity. The use of the word "racialized" for certain newly created recreational rhymes implies that there are other examples of those particular rhymes that don't include any racial or ethnic referents.

In my opinion, almost all of the racial and/or ethnic referents that are found in the "I Like Coffee. I Like Tea" (such as "Black", "White", and "Colored") aren't derogatory or offensive in large part because these referents were -and in the case of "Black" and "White" still are) the  official and colloquial referents for specific populations. 

Whether a term is derogatory or offensive isn't the same thing as whether I (or any one else) approves or disapproves of what that term conveys in those particular children's rhymes. I wished that we lived in a world where race and ethnicity doesn't matter to children or to anyone, but that's not how the real world is. These racialized rhymes provide a snapshot of one way children dealt (or still deal) with multiracial interactions and, unfortunately, race was/is factored into many of those interactions. 

I've found that only a few recreational rhymes (old school or contemporary) include racial and/or ethnic referents. Those recreational rhymes that do include racial and/or ethnic referents such as a relatively small sub-set of the "I Coffee. I Like Tea" rhymes can provide socio-cultural information about the perceptions of some children about race/ethnicity during those times.

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE ABOUT THE REFERENT "COLORED"
The word "Colored" is an outdated referent for African Americans (Black Americans, Black people in the United States). The referent "Colored" (which was also given as "Colored people") is no longer officially used in the United States and is rarely used by African Americans since around the mid 1960s (except for the fact that the venerated Civil Rights organization "The National Association For The Advancement Of Colored People" NAACP has retained that referent in its organization's name).

For some period of time prior to the mid 1960s, "Colored" (or "Colored people") was the preferred racial referent in the United States for the population who are now known as African American and "Black". The "Colored"/"Colored people" referent changed to "Black" and/or "African American" as a result of the Black power movement in the United States.

Here are part of a comment and my reply to that comment that were written in the discussion thread for a pancocojams post about racialized examples of the "I Like Coffee I Like Tea" hand clap rhymes. Both of these comments were published on March 15, 2015. This comment and my reply are given as comment #7 & #8 in the Comment section of this post that is immediately below.
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"I grew up in the South in the early eighties and remember these playground chants from those years or my kindergarten time. To hear people outside the South comment about "colored boy" not being inherently racist is laughable. Both the word colored and boy are precisely racist and derogatory."

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"Thanks, Anonymous.

My position is that when used as referents for Black Americans, the word "colored" and the word "boy" can be and often was/is racist. However, in the late 1940s and 1950s when I was a child, the referent "colored people" was an acceptable and even preferred referent for African Americans.

Times and contexts -including who is using the words- determines whether those words are racist.

I would go so far as to say that statement even applied to the n word which was used by some Black people in the 19th century/early 20th century and beyond as a non-racist referent for themselves. That said, my position with regard to the n word is that I consider it too offensive to be salvaged or reclaimed even with the "ni&&a" spelling."
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In racialized versions of "I Like Coffee. I Like Tea" the referents "Colored" and "Black" refer to the same populations. I think it's likely that many of the "I Like Coffee. I Like Tea" recreational rhymes that include the referent "Colored" were composed and first chanted when "Colored" was considered by Black Americans and other Americans to be the preferred referent for that population. It's also possible that the people (regardless of their race/ethnicity) who shared those examples with other people may have mistakenly believed that "Colored" was still the accepted (and acceptable) referent for Black people in the United States.

As I am writing this in 2025 I believe its important for me to say more clearly than I did in 2015 that I don't consider the word "Colored" to be a derogatory or offensive referent in the context of these racialized "I Like Coffee I Like Tea" recreational rhymes. 

Also, in the context of these children's rhymes which were at least initially composed to be chanted by Black girls, I don't consider the word "boy" used with the referent "Colored" to be derogatory or offensive. In those rhymes, "Colored boy" refers to a Black male who isn't an adult. (What was and still is derogatory and offensive is calling a Black man "boy"). Notice that these rhymes also refer to a White male child as a "boy". 

I believe that it's important to recognize that these racialized rhymes are historical artifacts that may contain outdated terms. It's also important to know that it isn't socially correct anymore to use the referent "Colored" as a referent for African Americans (Black Americans). Furthermore, people in the United States and elsewhere who use "Colored" now as a referent for Black Americans (apart from historical, folkloric, sociological, or literary exercises) convey the message that they are behind the times when it comes to socio-cultural standards and practices. And being "behind the times" isn't a good thing. 

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2020/09/how-african-american-won-what-should-we.html for the 2020 pancocojams post entitled "How "African American" Won The "What Should We Be Called?" Contest" (and other comments about the "African American" referent)".
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I believe it's important for people to be aware that the racial/ethnic referent "People of Color" doesn't mean the same thing as "Colored people". "People of color" (POC) is a term that replaces the group referent "minorities" and encompasses everyone who is not White (Black people, Latinas, Asians, Native Americans etc.)

Also, it's important to know that the referent "Colored" that is outdated in the United Sates doesn't mean the same thing as the meaning of the term "Coloured" which is still used today (March 2026) to refer to a specific population of people in the nation of South Africa and, to a smaller extent, in Zambia and Zimbabwe. The physical appearance of people who are Coloured probably would result in them being considered Black in the United States.

Click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coloureds for information about the term 'Coloured".

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https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2012/01/racialized-versions-of-i-like-coffee-i.html
From the pancocojams post "Racialized Versions Of "I Like Coffee I Like Tea" that was published in 2012.

The tunes for hand clap rhymes are usually much more consistent than their words. For that reason, it's very likely that the tune for all of these examples is the same tune as the Bobby Day/Michael Jackson "Rockin Robin" records. 

Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.

1. Caziah, November 19, 2012 at 7:33 PM

"Thank you for this post."

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2. Azizi Powell, November 21, 2012 at 5:06 AM
"You're welcome, Caziah."

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2. Anonymous, March 12, 2013 at 8:59 AM
"Down down baby / colored boy version was sang on the school yard at my elementary school in 1977 during double dutch at recess. I never understood the colored reference (iknew what it meant but not how it came to be, bc no one had ever used that term), I was only in 3rd grade, but it seems that it was taught to the younger generation. Oaklake elementary, Seattle"

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3. Azizi Powell, March 12, 2013 at 12:15 PM
"Thanks, Anonymous March 12, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Your recollection gives the earliest date for a racialized version of "Down Down Baby" that I've read. I'll note that in the above post.


I want to also add that I believe that most young children who recited/recite racialized versions of these rhymes either don't know what the racial referents mean or don't realize that those racial referents can be problematic."

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4. ~T, August 25, 2013 at 2:46 PM
"I'm young but in New Orleans 1990s-2000s I always heard:

 Oh gosh he's crazy, oh gosh he's crazy

Take a piece take a plum take a piece of bubblegum

No piece no plum, no piece of bubblegum

I like coffee, I like tea

I like the colored and he likes me.

So smack that white boy, he don't shine.

(it could be step back white boy, I think I heard both)

I'll throw him round the corner and i'll beat his behind

Last night and the night before.

I met my boyfriend at the candy store.

He bought me ice cream he bought me cake.

He brought me home with a stomach ache.

I said Mama, mama, I feel sick

Call the doctor, quick, quick, quick

Doctor, doctor, if I die

I'll close my eyes and count to five

I said 1-2-3-4-5

I'm Alive!

See that house on top of that hill.

That's where me and my boyfriend live.

Cook that chicken

Burn that rice

Come on baby let's shoot some DICE!"

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5. Anonymous, September 30, 2013 at 6:45 PM
"i like coffee i like tea

i like the colered boy and he likes me

so step back white boy you dont shine

i like the colored boy and he is mine

last night abd the night before

he took me to the candy store

he bought me ice cream

he bought me cake

he brought me home with my belly ache

mama mama i feel sick call the doctor quick quick quick

doctor doctor will i die

close your eyes and count to five

1-2-3-4-5

i'm alive

you see that house on top of that hill

that is were me and my baby going to live

cook the chicken and cook the ribs

THATS RIGHT BABY NO CALLEN DIBS"

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6. Azizi Powell, January 27, 2019 at 12:51 AM
"I'm sorry that I am just reading these 2013 examples of "I Like Coffee I Like Tea" replies in 2019 after responding to another comment about that rhyme.

~T, August 25, 2013 at 2:46 PM, thanks for sharing your example and your demographic information (New Orleans 1990s-2000s). I haven't come across the "Cook that chicken

Burn that rice

Come on baby let's shoot some DICE!" ending before. I appreciate adding it to this collection.

And thank you Anonymous September 30, 2013 at 6:45 PM. I also hadn't come across your ending "cook the chicken and cook the ribs

THATS RIGHT BABY NO CALLEN DIBS" before.

 

I love it!

 

Btw, here's a definition of "dibs" for those who may not be familiar with the word:

From https://www.yourdictionary.com/dibs

"dibs

SLANG

a claim to a share of, or rights in, something wanted: I've got first dibs on that candy bar."

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A person who has something to eat (usually a snack) doesn't want to share any of, he or she would say "No calling* dibs!" before anyone else would say "Dibs!"

*In the example of that rhyme "Calling" is given as "callen".

In my childhood in Atlantic City, New Jersey (1950s), instead of saying "Dibs"/"No Dibs", I remember saying "Hunksies" and "No hunksies" for the same purposes."

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7. Anonymous, March 15, 2015 at 2:18 PM

"I grew up in the South in the early eighties and remember these playground chants from those years or my kindergarten time. To hear people outside the South comment about "colored boy" not being inherently racist is laughable. Both the word colored and boy are precisely racist and derogatory.

 

My confusion the rhymes is that it seemed we were chanting about kids hooking up after a date at the candy store, having a child, and living in a house on a hill."

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8. Azizi Powell, March 15, 2015 at 3:37 PM

"Thanks for your comment, Anonymous.

My position is that when used as referents for Black Americans, the word "colored" and the word "boy" can be and often was/is racist. However, in the late 1940s and 1950s when I was a child, the referent "colored people" was an acceptable and even preferred referent for African Americans.

Times and contexts -including who is using the words- determines whether those words are racist.

I would go so far as to say that statement even applied to the n word which was used by some Black people in the 19th century/early 20th century and beyond as a non-racist referent for themselves. That said, my position with regard to the n word is that I consider it too offensive to be salvaged or reclaimed even with the "ni&&a" spelling."

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9. Azizi Powell, March 15, 2015 at 3:41 PM

"Also, anonymous, I agree that the "come on baby let's go to bed" line in "Down Down Baby" is rather risque for children.

However, I don't think that "tummy hurt" has to mean that the girl is pregnant. I think it means that the girl ate too many sweets."

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10. Anonymous, October 26, 2018 at 6:49 PM
"I was born in the very early 80's in the San Gabriel Valley and yes a lot of Black people lived there when I was growing up. From me reading the examples I always thoughts theses were separate rhymes because for each section different movements were made.

For me the "I like coffee, I like tee" went like this

I like coffee, I like tea.

I like a Colored boy and he likes me.

So white, white boy, you don't shine.

Turn around the corner and I’ll beat your behind.

 

Then after that rhyme we did maybe this

 

I’m cool, I’m cool all day from number 9

Give it to me another time.

Mhmm oh/or all my babby.

Mhmm oh/or all my babby.

Mhmm Mhmm Mhmm.

 

Also, Mama mama, let's get the rhythm, down down baby were all separate and we did separate movements. I just wanted to add my version of I like coffee and I'm cool(i can't find a reference for that).

Down, down baby down down the roller coaster

sweet sweet baby I’ll never let u go.

shimmy shimmy cocoa puff

shimmy shimmy pow

shimmy shimmy cocoa puff

shimmy shimmy wow"


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11. Azizi Powell, October 26, 2018 at 8:01 PM

"Hello, Anonymous.

Thanks for sharing the example that you remember fro the early 1980s in California.

Playground rhymes often combine "floating" verses from multiple other rhymes which could be chanted by themselves.

I'm particularly interested in the "I'm cool. I'm cool all day from number 9" verses in the rhyme that you remember.

The referent "soul sister number 9" is found in a number of African American children's rhymes and African American popular music. Click https://cocojams2.blogspot.com/2014/11/soul-sister-number-9-in-childrens.html for a post entitled ""Soul Sister Number 9" In Children's Playground Rhymes". Cocojams2 is another Google blog that I curate.

That post indicates that "soul sister" means "Black female" and "number 9" means something that is superlative. That post also provides some background to that vernacular meaning for "number 9" from the late 1940s and 1950s in the United States.

Thanks again!"

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12. Anonymous, January 26, 2019 at 5:36 PM

"Hello! I was singing this song and I wanted to learn where exactly it came from and I didn't know that it had so much history! I grew up in Detroit and was born in the year 2000 and the version I grew up with seem to have some mixtures of the examples you provided. The version I grew up with:

I like coffee, I like tea

I like the colored boy and he likes me.

So step back white boy you don't shine,

Cause I'll get the colored boy to beat yo behind.

Last night, and the night before

I met my boyfriend at the candy store.

He bought me ice cream he bought me cake,

He brought me home with a belly-ache.

I said "Mama, Mama I feel sick

Call the doctor quick,quick,quick."

Doctor Doctor shall I die?

Just close your eyes and count to 5.

I said a 1-2-3-4-5, I'm alive.

See that house n top of that hill?

That's where me and my baby gonna live.

Scoop the ice cream cut the cake,

Come on baby let's celebrate!

 

And sometimes, there'll be a weird ending at the end (which to me doesn't seem to match the flow of the rhyme) that goes:

 

That's not all, that's not all

My baby drinking alcohol.

 

Overall, this was a very interesting post, got to learn something new today. :)"

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13. Azizi Powell, January 27, 2019 at 12:35 AM

"Thanks, Anonymous for sharing the version of "I Like Coffee. I Like Tea" that you remember. Thanks also for adding demographic information.

This is the first time that I've come across the verse "Scoop the ice cream, cut the cake/ Come on baby let's celebrate". I like it :o)

The last verse that you shared seems somewhat familiar- from reading it online.

Thanks again for your interest in this rhyme."

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14. Southern bee, February 15, 2019 at 12:38 AM

"Wow crazy! I was born during the early 2000’s and heard it way differently

 

I like coffee

I like tea

I like a black boy and he likes me,

So step back white boy you don’t shine

I’ll get a black boy to beat yo behind

Last night, night before my boyfriend met

Me at the candy store he bought me ice cream

He bought me cake he brought me home with a stomach ache I said momma, momma I feel sick

Call the doctor and quick quick quick!

Doctor Doctor will I die

Close your eyes and count to 5

1 2 3 4 5

I’m alive to the Fourth of July

See that house on tipo of that hill that’s where me

And my baby gon live

Oh ah I wanna piece of pie, pie to sweet I wanna piece of meat , meat to rough wanna ride the bus

 

From there I forgot but I’m amazed to see the variations through the states and the crazy thing is we would play this all the time on th play ground and now that I look back we really had no idea what we were saying."

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15. Azizi Powell, February 15, 2019 at 9:35 AM
"Southern Bee, thanks for sharing the example of "I Like Coffee I Like Tea" that you remember.

The "Oh ah I wanna piece of pie" verse at the end is part of another rhyme that can be recited by itself. Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/06/abc-its-easy-as-1-2-3-playground-rhyme.html for a pancocojams post that includes information about & early examples of that rhyme."

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16. Unknown, October 4, 2020 at 3:05 AM
"This is such an interesting article and so neat to see something that is a deep memory of mine. I went to Fruitvale Elementary in Oakland, Ca. Kindergarten 76-77. We also sang this song. The version I sang, for some unknown reason, was :

I like coffee , I like tea,

I like the Mexican Boy

He don’t like me

Go away White boy

He don’t shine

She bop a badda badda

She bop a badda badda

She bop a badda badda

Bing

 

I was a 5 year old white girl. I came home singing this song. My mother just thought I was adapting to my surroundings and fellow school mates.

I have never forgotten this song. So interesting to find your article.

Thank you

Bella"

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17. Azizi Powell, October 4, 2020 at 11:02 AM

Thank you, unknown, for sharing this example along with demographics (location, your age, your race, and the years you remember it from).

Your example is the only one that I've ever come across that includes a referent to someone who isn't White or Black. (Some examples I've read have the line "I like a Colored boy". In the United States, "Colored" is a largely retired referent for Black people.)

The lines "I like the Mexican Boy/He don't like me" and "Go away White boy/He don't shine" are interesting. In the "standard" pattern for racialized examples of "I Like Coffee I Like Tea", those lines would be "I like the Mexican Boy/and he likes me" and "Go away White boy/You don't shine"."

It may be that you are misremembering those lines or the children you heard chanting at rhyme misheard those lines and/or learned that rhyme that way.

Note that in the "standard" pattern for racialized versions of "I Like Coffee, I Like Tea", the lines "I like a Mexican boy/ "(and) He likes me" would be chanted by girls who were Mexican. The Mexican girl is telling the White boy who is romantically interested in her that he doesn't shine (He's not special)- because she likes a boy of her same ethnicity.

In the standard racialized rhyme pattern for "I Like Coffee/I Like Tea", the rhyme would continue with the girl threatening to get a boy of her same race (or, in this case, ethnicity) to "beat his behind".

Unknown, I also should mention that this is the first example of this rhyme that I've come across which has the "she bop a badda badda bing" ending. I love it!

You wrote that when you came home singing this song at age five, your mother just thought that you were adapting to your surroundings and your fellow school mates. Since you were in California where there were probably a lot of Mexican students, I agree with your mother.

Thanks again!"

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18. Sarah, November 3, 2020 at 9:58 PM
"Here’s how I heard it as a child in late 70s/early 80s Atlanta:

I like coffee I like tea

I like the Jackson 5 and they like me

So step back white boy you don’t shine

I’ll get the Jackson 5 to beat your behind

Last night and the night before I met my boyfriend at the candy store

He bought me ice cream he bought me cake

He brought me home with a stomach ache

Mama mama I feel sick

Call the doctor quick quick quick

Doctor doctor shall I die

Close your eyes and count to 5

1 2 3 4 5 I’m alive

See that house on top of the hill

That’s where me and my baby gonna live

Gonna cook some oatmeal cook some bread

Come on baby let’s go to bed"

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19. Azizi Powell, November 4, 2020 at 7:51 AM

"Sarah, thanks for sharing your memories of "I Like Coffee I Like Tea".

I added this example to Part I of this pancocojams series that presents examples of children's rhymes that include names of famous people: http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/08/playground-rhymes-that-include-names-of_30.html

Thanks again for remembering to add demographics."

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20. Anonymous, February 5, 2021 at 1:37 PM

"I recall this, and it is very disturbing to me that I was taught as a little girl of perhaps 4-5 years old, by a neighbor I can only assume, around 1980-1981 (born 1976, raised in Southern NJ, in an very integrated town over the bridge from Philadelphia), and it went as follows:

 

Down, down baby,

Down by the Rollercoaster.

Sweet, sweet baby,

I'll never let you go.

Shimmy, shimmy cocoa-pop,

Shimmy, shimmy wow.

Shimmy, shimmy cocoa-pop,

Shimmy, shimmy wow.

 

I like coffee, I like tea.

I like white boy, he likes me.

So jump back black boy,

you don't shine.

I bet you five dollars

he can beat your behind.

You can roll your eyes

and you can stomp your feet

but this white boy you sure can't beat."

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21. Azizi Powell, February 5, 2021 at 2:18 PM

"Anonymous, thanks for sharing that version of "I Like Coffee" and thanks for including demograpics (such as age, place, and gender, and-I assume-your race.)

I've only collected a few examples of these racialized versions of "I Like Coffee" that say "I like a White boy and he likes me". Perhaps those vesions were chanted as frequently as the "I like a Black boy and he likes" which I think were the earliest examples. However, they haven't made their way online as much as the examples from Black (African American) people.

I wanted to also mention that I believe that the part of your example that begins "You can roll your eyes" is also quite common among African Americans- with the ending "but this Black girl (or Black boy) you sure can't beat."

I remember it from my childhood or pre-teen years in the 1950s (Atlantic City, New Jersey).

Thanks again, Anonymous!"

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22. Azizi Powell, January 21, 2022 at 6:19 PM

"Here's a racialized version of another hand clap rhyme "Ronald McDonald" that I just happened upon in this online 1993 newspaper article: https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-xpm-1993-06-09-0000100990-story.html

GIRLS LOVE TO WHILE AWAY HOURS WITH SLAP-CLAP GAMES AND RHYMES

By SUSAN CAMPBELL; Hartford Courant, June 09, 1993

"Ronald McDonald, how do you like my lover?

A-biscuit, a-biscuit.

Ooh chi chi awa-wa-a-biscuit.

How do you love my lover?

He's so fine Just like cherry wine.

Take a smoooth shot Take a smoooth shot.

Don't show your dirty teeth You could roll your eye You can suck your tea Now, Puerto Rican, you don't beat me."

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23. Azizi Powell, January 24, 2022 at 4:37 PM

"Here's a racialized example of "I Like Coffee I Like Tea" from http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/archive/index.php/t-31403.html "Old School Chants". The participants in that discussion thread are members of historically Black Greek letter sororities.

The contributor of this example's screen name "SWEETAKA" identifies her as a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. (which is informally known as AKA).

Down down baby

Down by the roller coaster

Sweet sweet baby

I'll never let you go

Shimmey Shimmey Cocoa Pop

Shimmey I

I like coffee

I like tea

I like a black boy

and he likes me

Step back white boy

you done shine

I got a black boy to beat your behind

Went upstairs to beat my drum

beat it so hard til the police come

please Mr. Police don't arrest me

arrest that white boy behind that tree:D

-SWEETAKA, 03-25-2003"

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Some Foundational Black Americans (FBAs) Told A Woman Who Learned About Her Black Ancestors During Her Genealogical Search To "Stay Out Of FBA Business"

NYTN, Mar 28, 2025

#findingyourroots  #nytn #ancestry  #familyhistory #genealogy 

I shared the story of my enslaved ancestors, and suddenly I was being told to “stay out of FBA business.” This video unpacks the backlash, the gatekeeping, and what it really means to claim family history when you weren’t raised in a single identity. If you've ever felt like your roots didn’t fit the rules—this is for you.

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post showcases a YouTube video of Danielle Romero whose genealogical search led to discovery that her great grandmother's Black ancestry. This discovery led to the creation of her YouTube channel. This particular video in this channel focuses on Danielle's response to a statement from a woman who identifies as Foundational Black American (FBA)* that Danielle should stay out of FBA business.

This pancocojams post presents a compilation of some comments from this video's discussion thread. 

The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural and historical purposes. 

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Danielle Romero for this YouTube channel. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post.
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* Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/06/article-excerpts-about-population.html for the closely related June 2024 pancocojams post entitled "Article Excerpts About The Population Referents "ADOS" (American Descendants Of Slaves) And "FBA" (Foundational Black Americans)."

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I consider myself to be African American (Black American) who is culturally pan-African.

If I correctly understand their positions, people who use the terms American Descendants Of Slavery (ADOS) and the Foundational Black Americans (FBA) lineages.wouldn't consider me eligible to use those lineage referents because I'm unable to verify that one of my ancestors was enslaved in the United States. My mother's parents were from Trinidad & Tobago and Barbados and I can't trace any enslaved Black American ancestry on my father's side. (My father was adopted from New York state by a Black family in Michigan. I believe that he was Black/White racially mixed, but I don't know anything about his ancestry.)

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 https://www.youtube.com/@nytn

Description

A good story reminds us that we are all more connected than we think.

I'm Danielle Romero and my content is all about exploring the nuances of American identity and unearthing hidden historical narratives. My great grandmother Lola left her heritage behind in Louisiana when she moved to NY in the 1930s. Last year, I decided to uncover our family story and begin finding our roots. I'm still on the journey of hidden heritage, genealogy and finding out how our family history fits in the context of community history!

Why NYTN? I was born in NY and now I live in TN! Sometimes it's best to just keep it simple.

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United States

Joined July 31, 2022".

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD

With only a small number of exceptions , these selected comments from this showcased video's discussion thread are from people who identified themselves as Foundational Black Americans (FBA),   Black, African Americans, American Descendants of Slavery (ADOS), Black Caribbean, or racially mixed (Black and another/other race/s or ethnic group/s). 

All of these comments were published in this video's discussion thread from March 28, 2025 to April 2, 2025.

Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jSr-uz83yo

1. @tycoon-j6q
"FBA here. I have been watching your channel off and on since its inception. You have been genuine from the beginning. Some of us are confused when it comes from people who can "pass." America has mislabeled people from the beginning on purpose, so we are all trying to figure this thing out. Be proud you have found out the truth."

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2. @nytn
"I really appreciate you saying that!"

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3. @ronaldtaylor4198
"Black American here your channel is very informative keep doing what you do 🌹."

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4. @vicferrmat4492
"I am Black and I love your channel. Your content is factual and evidence based, that is the important thing.

The information you provide is of interest to all humanity.

Keep doing your good work."

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5. @roxannewatson4785
"Then why are yall mad that Black ppl have something to say about it. I mean she and ppl in the comments are very close to saying it's not Black ppls business. Some have said it."

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6. @rgold_
"She’s definitely stuck her foot in her mouth in the past, but so have we all 🤷🏽‍♀️ I enjoy some of her content. Nothing too egregious yet."

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7. @Sumayyah-Kr267
"@vicferrmat4492 I subscribed also because it's evidenced based and she accepts all of her ancestry not just the Caucasian ancestry I was intrigued by how her grandmother hide part of her ancestry and was white passing"

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8. @KAH-7
"@roxannewatson4785

We're saying it's NO ONE ELSE'S business to Police it⁉"

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9. @hasinsaunders260
"I do identify myself under that accurate historical account by definition FBA. However we all are not under one umbrella when it comes all matters. Case and point I'm a poor man's historian. However history is like a mystery novel the more you find out the more intriguing it gets. Plus as a historian, don't they know that their were black women who passed for white, even in Hollywood and Broadway. So to say by looking at you you can't acknowledge your heritage is paposterous. Many of our people black people are her complection and pigmentation also there's a history to prove It. So sister woman teach about your ancestors your family and more power to you and yours. They will learn the young sometimes don't always do what they are told. A salute you sister😊"

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10. @BrokenCrayonsstillcolor18
"For anyone, your history is your history!!!!!  I’m a Black woman with an unknown family history and there are Black people who are aware of or have discovered their white ancestors - it’s their story/truth.  I have watched you on this journey and appreciate your honesty in discussing the truth.  You exist because of choices your ancestors made. With DNA advances you are not the only “white” person discovering their Black ancestors.  Whether hidden or stolen, the truth is the truth.  Your story, our stories, are American stories and so much has been stolen/hidden for too long.   Some comments may make you feel some kind of way but I suggest you ignore those who obviously don’t understand the assignment or are easily led by the “algorithm”.   I love and enjoy your history content!  ❤"

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11. @williamsanders1585
"Love your content and how you present it.  I'm an African American male interested in and researching my own genealogy. I'm blessed to have found you and the stories you tell so well. Always great to find truly good people nowadays, and you have certainly shown where your heart is.  Congratulations.  BTW, this is the very first time I've ever left comments in a chat."

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12. @sanaaangel95
"As an African-American woman with Congolese ancestors on my father’s side and multiracial ancestors on my mother’s side. I’m from Atlanta, GA originally. Many people who commented are speaking out of their ignorance or fear of their true identity being revealed. I never find fault in your channel because I find your channel very interesting and relatable. I’m still curious about my ancestors and claiming them as my own including Blackfeet Native Americans. Keep sharing your content because history is beautiful and it makes us who we are today!"

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13. @JacquelineMontpellier9074
"This happened when I acknowledged my  6.4% Native American. I identify as white but I hold a very special place for the Native American woman ancestor. She represents bravery and strength. I’m proud of her but I don’t claim belonging to a tribe since I didn’t experience living the culture. Just acknowledging her with gratitude 🙏🏼🕊️💙"

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14. @Ice-c-o8q
"Hey, Cuz!  Even though I'm black I know that you are my cousin. My Creole grandmother from Louisiana has relatives who live in West Monroe, La. And I have Goines and Chavis relatives as do you.  Don't pay any attention to those haters. They probably don't know their ancestry as well or as far back as you do.  The things that you have discovered about your ancestors including pictures are phenomenal! I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL!!! Keep up the good work! 🎉🥳🥰😍👍🏿✌🏾"

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15. @nytn
"thank you <3"

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16. @jacklyneverage3881
"I am a FOUNDATIONAL BLACK AMERICAN aka American Freedmen. I fully support your channel. I am subscribed to you. You do excellent work! There is nothing wrong claiming your ancestry and speaking on the topics you discuss because it is your lived experience.  Keep doing the good work and educating us on the complexities of race and ethnicity.  Thank you for sharing your journey with all of us. My apologies that you experienced such gross disrespect to you. This is not representative of FBA. Peace and Blessings."

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17. @AJ-mt9zt
"Why are you apologizing for people that you never met and never said they represented all FBAs?? Those people should apologize for their own actions and people don't have to feel like just because someone shares a skintone with them that it represents the entire group. People are individuals."

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18. @trinaewatkins2804
"Likewise, I appreciate the channel as well….I think that we all have many ancestors….all of them important.  It’s unfortunate that we cannot talk in a manner that helps  unravel history and ancestry."

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19. @liltoaster7308
"A lot of people on all sides misconstrue or purposely misrepresent what FBA actually is supposed to be. At its base, being a Foundational Black American is pretty simple and it comes down to being a Black identifying (Black identifying as in it's use on federal demographics documentation) individual born in the United States with ancestral ties solely to either chattel slavery as it happened and developed specifically within the borders of what would become the United States, and/or Freedman status in the US prior to the Emancipation Proclamation (all enslaved or those with Freedman status also listed as Black in documentation as well). Sometimes the 1870 US Federal Census is also used as a cutoff point. It's function is to address the existence of Black Americans as an ethnic group among other Black ethnicities, whether they're also from the Americas or Africa, and many titles such as ADOS, Soulaan, Afro-American, Negro etc. have all been used and considered, but are often too imprecise when addressing the Black American ethnicity as a whole. Many use the title correctly but unfortunately some people may use it as a gateway to express xenophobia or over-exclusionary. On the flip side, some may purposely misrepresent the label with a negative bias or even try to take away from the Black American ethnic experience when possible. There's absolutely nothing wrong with you claiming/researching your ancestry though, but like you stated, it could be problematic for you to speak on the behalf of an ethnic/racial perspective that you may not have or understand fully."

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20. @chrisconnors9449
"FBA website mentions being of black aboriginal descent also.. and those who are freedman.. and those that are of mixed native & African ancestry. All 3 of those groups are also incorporated into FBA. According to Tariq Nasheed and their own official website breakdown criteria. I know a lot of former African centered Afrocentric folks hate that but it is what it is."

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21. @jbrown8601
"Good breakdown. Personally I think the term African American is enough, there is need for this "black" identity politics. The lines between us are thin blurred and have very little real world affect.  After doing my own research I discovered that I am truly  firmly African and American. Those Black Belt, Carolina coast roots run deep but guess what? The African roots run deeper, where did our enslaved ancestors come from. I know it is the current trend to identify as this or that but really it doesn't change history or your dna. Not even addressing the elephant in the room that division has been used and continues to be used to keep afro/black peoples bickering amongst themselves while getting whooped by the global power structure."

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22. @chrisconnors9449
"@jbrown8601 

For those who only have African ancestry.. sure… but those of us who also have indigenous Native American ancestry & European ancestry as well.. for others to expect us to just ignore that just to fit in with some Afrocentric slave trade narrative is ridiculous. Just because some Africans were brought here and intermixed with my Native American ancestors that doesn’t just magically erase my ties to this landmass and erase my native ancestry."

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23. @jbrown8601
"​@chrisconnors9449 yes as I wrote, I am firmly  African and American."

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24. @chrisconnors9449
"@jbrown8601 

The issue isn’t so much the title..

it’s more so the lack of a concise definition. Too much that is left out of the definitions of these titles. I see how you are looking at it.. but If I look up the definition of African American it’s pretty much only about Africans that came to America. Again That doesn’t define large majority of us black Americans here who have more than just African ancestry."

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25. @reiserkeiser
"None of it is "problematic" for her to speak on. She's literally speaking about HER family. You have to remember, these are all just made up labels, anyways. Black, White, FBA. All BS. Means nothing"

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26. @liltoaster7308
"@reiserkeiser  What I described as potentially being problematic is speaking on behalf of an ethnic/racial group that you may not be part of nor share experiences with. A scenario in which that happens can lead to an inaccurate understanding of said ethnic group. Because she has a large platform, she also has the potential to disseminate inaccurate information about an ethnic group that she may not be able to represent. It's true that these labels are social constructs, but because we live in a society (many would argue world) that places great importance on those constructs, they play a very significant role in the shaping of our lives, respective histories and communities. It only means nothing if it truly does not affect you."

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27. @beaujac311
"@ I will say this about her, she is not a group who tells you how you should think.  I've seen FBA "members" saying that they have no connections to Africa at all.  Is that a true statement?"

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28. @claudexandam
"@beaujac311 

FBA is a lineage, not a group.  Yes, some if not MORE FBAs are NOT AFRICAN at all."

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29. @liltoaster7308
"@beaujac311  FBA is just another name for an ethnicity that already exists so I'm not sure if referring to it as a "group" is accurate unless we define ethnicities as groups. As for your second point, Black Americans (or FBA) are culturally and natively (not indigenously) a North American ethnicity, not African, but they do have majority African DNA and share a small number of cultural similarities. The overwhelming majority of Black Americans however have no existing (and/or) modern familial ties, political ties, tribal affiliations, geographical ties, national ties or religious connections with Africa. A few historical cultural elements have certainly survived, but the vast majority of that connection was systematically severed as a result of slavery."

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30. @beaujac311
"@claudexandam  It's a group that you join.  If a lot of people knew the tenets of FBA they would say " that is not me".

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31. @beaujac311
"@liltoaster7308  It is a group.  I know what FBA is and I would never claim to be a part of it.  The term FBA is not synonymous with the terms Black American, Afro American, African-American et al."

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32. @liltoaster7308
"@beaujac311  To be fair I don't really claim the title "FBA" either because there's so much surrounding the title and how it gets used, but I'm most certainly apart of the ethnicity it describes so I can't deny that heritage either. I'm just interested in describing the term accurately."

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33. @beaujac311
"@liltoaster7308  Another of the problems I have with the term is Tariq Nasheed.  He's a hustler.  He saw ADOS and did not like them using slavery in their name.  So he made up another name and saw the money making potential in it.  That is how he see race as a way to make money.  To me him and Dr. Umar are birds of a feather."

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34. @SunnyDaysAOK
"@happyfire777 No. Not at all. African American historically has been a term used to describe Black African descended people. The term has been in use for centuries. However, in the 1980s, African American came back into vogue because it was it focused less on color and more on heritage. In deed, the importance of the term was to reflect that black folks have many different skin tones. It was unifying term.

 

Read a history book."

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35. @cornileusweatherford1910
"She's not Black she said it herself. Stop caping for people that left "Black" for dead.

FBA exist to stop confusion. Her people opted out of our lineage and they have that right. She can't double back generations later and place blame on the warriors that didn't flee our lineage and lay blame for her people's cowardice of us."
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36. @tonybone132
"I’m FBA and I really enjoy & respect 🫡 what you’re doing. I have been watching you for a few years now and I appreciate your findings. 🙏🏽"

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37. @vanessachantal7218
"I’m a biracial woman, and I appreciate you speaking on every aspect of your ancestry. You don’t need to address these types of comments from ignorant people. What they think is none of your business or ours! Keep being great I’m learning a lot"

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38. @Me-lp1uj
"FBA woman over 50  here!  I have been following your channel and wholely support you and celebrate your journey in discovering your roots!  I agree with you 100 percent regarding negative feedback: don't let anyone silence you, no matter what  your race is: including white folks! Carry on, sister!"

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39. @AKiEM.
"agreed. It’s important to not let anyone claim FBA somehow have one single voice or point of view."

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40. @KidPoe
"Same. It makes no sense to go off on someone for talking about their own ancestors. Those people leaving those comments are unhinged."

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41. @vblake530530
"I’m a Black Man . I got white folks in my family line. Ain’t NOBODY gonna tell me how I talk about my family."

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42. @tabiagebre8168
"Hey, continue to educate. I'm from New Orleans and you're  actually darker than my Sister and she's considered Black 😅"

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43. @dawnd.5290
"Wow !  Please keep doing these videos.  I'm African-American and I love your commitment to historical research and social issues. You are intelligent, positive and honest . You have a right and responsibility to claim your ancestors.  Talking about them sets them free. It helps all of us to be free."

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44. @zitamalaykhan
"But As a Black woman . she does have to respect us....to an extent and she does. Just because our blood flows through many mixed race people that does not give you the right to look down on us in no shape form or fashion....Or tell us how to feel about certain situations. We are not a dress you can just try on and take off when you feel like it.."

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45. @SG85917
"Fba here who supports your channel, don't let the bad apples get to ya"

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46. @infiniterer287
"As an FBA I can say that you're mostly right here but you're wrong about one part:

It's not about power it's about a sense of inauthenticity. FBAs obviously have a deep, layered and often painful history, that has elements that still persist into the present. When you, a person who does not have to deal with the present lasting challenges that a modern FBA has to deal with, claim you are FBA/ADOS, some (ignorant) FBAs take that as if you are inauthentically claiming an experience that you are not having (IE: the experience of being black in America). This is why they lash out, not to have "power" over you but to challenge someone they believe is fake. Now as you already iterated in the video, you are not claiming the experiences but simply the ancestors themselves. Which is fair and honest. This is all that you ever need to remind them of 👍"

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47. @tracyp3567
"Exactly 💯💯"

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48. @FBATIERRA
" @infiniterer287  I agree."

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49. @beaujac311
"infiniterer287:. I totally disagree with everything you say here.  I'm no fan of Tariq Nasheed.  He's the one who came up with FBA.  All I see him as is a race hustler.  I myself is an African-American who can trace his ancestry to before the American Civil War.  I would never claim to be a part of FBA or ADOS.  I think many African-Americas read what those letters stand for and automatically think it is them without doing any research of those two I don't know what you should call them."

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50. @tracyp3567
"@beaujac311  Nobody is forcing you to agree about anything pertaining to FBA or claim to be apart of FBA do you think because you don't agree with it or believe in it  that it gives you the right to have your own opinion and tell others that they are wrong because you don't agree with it?"

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51. @DavidRucker-i4w
"@infiniterer287  she needs to address the fact that Lola couldn’t handle the pressure and sold out. Yt people will watch a company fire folks for being black and just say “oh well that sucks” rather than quit working for a racist company. People like Lola are part of the problem. She was an opportunist who didn’t stand on business and as a result had a bunch of confused ancestors. Just ignoring this will never heal anything."

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52. @beaujac311
"@tracyp3567  All I tell is to research FBA before saying they are a part of it.  That is all."

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53. @beaujac311
"@Bander471  I don't mind losing all credibility as long as I can get these people to research what FBA is before claiming that is who they are."

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54. @roxannewatson4785
"If she has said she is FBA/ADOS she is claiming that experience."

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55. @beaujac311
"@  All I'm asking is if she know what experience that she is claiming.  A lot of people just read the name of those two groups and automatically think it represents them until they see how those groups move."

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56. @ladyhotep5189
"Ive chosen to call myself a Foundational Black American. I enjoy your content very much.  Please don't take these comments too personal.  Alot of our ancestors were r@p3d by their owners producing biracial children. Most of us probably have a white ancestor from somewhere in all the centuries of enslavement.

I've never thought that you were "trying to be Black ". Seems to me you're a woman who is telling her story, family tree ect.

With the reparations argument on the table again alot of us are super sensitive about who can claim a right to reparations.  Alot of us that have decided to "delineate " ourselves and not be lumped in the same group as caribbeans. Africans and no longer want that "African " put in front of American.

You have put out quality content and i don't think you've been disrespectful in any way. I'm not sure if these people only came across one or two of your vids and came to their conclusions or what.  Im subbed to your channel and watch all your videos and think you do a good job. Again,  please try not to take these comments too personal."

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57. @nytn
"Thank you so much for this! I really appreciate you."

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58. @Original1Real1
"I could never tell someone about their own bloodline and ancestors. It is their ancestors and bloodline for crying out loud! The ignorance is astounding!"

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59. @TheeTwanSolo
"As a black man I say, keep talking yo sh-t*. It's YOUR history. The fact that you are accepting of all of your history is phenomenal. Most would hide it, but you are taking time out of your day to share and educate others. As I said before, talk yo sh-t* Danielle. I got your back."
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60. @mrs.kpbailey
"Black ADOS here. You don’t need anyone’s permission and/or approval to do this work on YOUR family.

Ignore the chatter. 🙏🏾"

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61. @tchallaseven
"I don't listen to these fools. as a so-called, foundational black american, i appreciate your content and respect your research into your ancestry. we all need to learn our family's ancestry. every piece of it."

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62. @nytn
"Thank you, I needed to hear that!"

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63. @heyelights897
"So now fba's are fools??? how about you don't generalize the total IQ of FBA's from comments left on this woman's video from a few FBA ppl."

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64. @tchallaseven
"@heyelights897  i was only referring to the people criticizing danielle. i never said that all FBAs are fools."

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65. @beaujac311
"tchallaseven:. Do y'all really know what FBA stands for?  If not research it.  Tariq Nasheed started it so you can start there."

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66. @heyelights897
"@beaujac311  I understand completely what it stands for. The words were already there. Foundational. -Black -Americans. He just put together as FBA. Any grouping of us as a way to move forward on 1 accord, I'm with it."

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67. @heyelights897
"@tchallaseven  My bad...I get what your saying.."

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68. @Washitaw
"What do you mean by so-called FBA?"

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69. @tchallaseven
"@Washitaw  i am a black american, a descendant of enslaved africans, a so-called foundational black american. that's what i meant."

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70. @beaujac311
"@heyelights897  No that is not what FBA is all about.  Did you see recently where FBA was saying that hip hop came from only the USA and no influences from other countries or US possessions.  They also make up their own history.  Some of them will tell you that they have no connection to Africa.  They will say that they are the original Native Americans.  As I've said in other comments do some research on FBA.  Start with Tariq Nasheed."

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71. @colberthunter12
"​ @beaujac311 so what I Caribbean influence created Hip Hop, what sounds what dances what images? You do know we were doing all of that before Africans and Caribbean and Hispanic people came over here, we were world Stars before melinated immigrants started coming over here and what were we doing? Making music dances and style.

So once again what are the influences and don't talk about some Caribbean people who came to America and assimilated into our culture and contributed to what we were already doing, contributed not created, apparently Africans and Caribbean and Hispanic people can't understand that part."

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72. @beaujac311
"@colberthunter12  I won't engage you on this subject. FBA like to claim that they created everything the same way that Europeans claim that they created everything.  Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

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73. @colberthunter12
"@beaujac311  so what did we claim create in America that you think is made up? Give me some examples, which you people never can say, but you have all these complaints about Foundational Black Americans, so again what are we lying about creating?"

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74. @Myopinionmattersthemost
"FBA aren't fools. And Danielle is 100% getting fame by exploring or exploiting her African ancestry. While Black presenting people explore their African ancestry all the time and there's no fan fare or money earned."

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75. @colberthunter12
" @beaujac311  you still haven't answered what Caribbean culture was a part of hip Hop) I'm still waiting. You made that assertion so defend it, foundational Black Americans have receipts for our greatness, show me these Caribbean greatness?"

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76. @beaujac311
"@colberthunter12  I have a problem with Tariq's FBAs because they are about division."

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77. @beaujac311
"@Myopinionmattersthemost  See that's the problem with you FBAs.  Y'all try to make yourself the gatekeeper of whats black in the USA. You are not and will never be.  You sound nuts thinking you can tell her not to discuss her family tree on Youtube."

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78. @beaujac311
"@colberthunter12  Keep waiting."

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79. @Myopinionmattersthemost
"@ I never once stated that I label myself as fba. Also I never typed she couldn’t discuss her family tree. I find it annoying that when racially ambiguous people discuss their African ancestry they get the fan fare and book deals and other monetary perks and undeniably Black presenting people who discuss their African ancestry do not receive the same reception. Historical society has liked to see traditional black things performed/presented by white folks."

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80. @beaujac311
"@Myopinionmattersthemost  No one is stopping you from starting your own Youtube channel."

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81. @Myopinionmattersthemost
"@ I never typed that someone is stopping me. Deflection at its finest."

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82. @yinkent7991
"Everyone who's talking crazy about FBAs in the comments,  don't do that.  Y'all know just as well as I do that a lot of people wanted nothing to do with being FBA and would disassociate themselves as much as possible. It's ok for people to claim their people, but you can't show up to the family reunion and think you can start speaking on family business."

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83. @Washitaw
"Facts."

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84. @choco.es.unlimited
"I am mixed ... my grandmother was full red native. I don't have the stereotype of red native BUT i hold on to my native ancestry as though I'm full blooded.  In addition to, my other lineage. 

I think the issue is, in America, if you have other ancestry, they tell us fbas that we can only be black and we aren't anything else.:

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85. @happyfire777
"@choco es unlimited, You've nailed it on the head. In my opinion. THAT! Also it's about the enslavement of one's ancestors in this country. Actually, it's my estimation a lot of Black folk are FBA and ADOS but the continued African American identifier will disqualify most because then it will be said to make claims with the country in Africa."

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86. @KAH-7
"@happyfire777

WRONG! African American ALREADY has that factored into the definition.

Of a "majority" of Sub Saharan ancestry."

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87. @honeyjazz4147
"I'm Black I was raised in the black culture, but I have Cherokee ancestry,  I don't claim to be of the Cherokee tribe,  I'm not looking for any benefits from them , I  totally get where you're coming from,  you can be proud of your ancestry without claiming to be a  part of it, many people today are ashamed of their ancestry, be proud of all the ancestry that brought you here today!"

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88. @KannIsBornToWin
"As someone who is a FBA, I have no problem with your channel and enjoy learning about your history. The issue is complicated. It’s a rejection of the one drop rule that was forced on us. It’s also a separation from people of African ancestry from other countries and cultures. Especially since our culture is either rejected or hijacked (for lack of a better word). I believe I understand what you are doing. But since you are also profiting from black ancestry that isn’t openly apparent at first glance, it can insult people. But I still support you. Some things are not your fault."

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89. @rebellejacobs777
"I really relate to you ,I'm half Hispanic but a pale redhead with blue eyes and get exactly the same attitude ( mostly from white people) -

My grandmother picked fruit her whole life and struggled to give her kids a better life but I get told I'm not allowed to talk about her , or that I'm ' only Spanish which os white '

I'm NOT only Spanish, I'm Hispanic and that means indigenous too , California indigenous in my case .

I get told not to talk about my ancestors and I WILL NOT listen to these people.

My ancestors matter too, just like yours do .

Your work inspires me and I'm so grateful for your channel, thank you 💕"

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90. @tigerstallion
"similarly, as part native, they wont accept any stories of mixed lineage, but they will accept Italian or Mexican.  These same people claim to be social justice warriors concerned about oppressed minorities."

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91. @rebellejacobs777
"@tigerstallion 

Thank you for replying, it's nice to know I'm not alone 💖

 It SUX, I've noticed that too !

Italian is accepted among Mexican and other Hispanic groups - my cousin is Italian and less Hispanic than me , by blood , and they accept him because he can pass being darker skinned- then I get hate for telling the truth about my blood.

SMH 😞

It's hard , I know you know 💕

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92.@bamboosho0t
"There are a lot of "keyboard commandos" on social media, and some of them claim to be FBA.  Bottom line, you don't need their permission to speak on these subject matters.  Keep up the good work! 👍🏻"

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93. @sanaaangel95
"As an African-American woman with Congolese ancestors on my father’s side and multiracial ancestors on my mother’s side. I’m from Atlanta, GA originally. Many people who commented are speaking out of their ignorance or fear of their true identity being revealed. I never find fault in your channel because I find your channel very interesting and relatable. I’m still curious about my ancestors and claiming them as my own including Blackfeet Native Americans. Keep sharing your content because history is beautiful and it makes us who we are today!"

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94. @JacquelineMontpellier9074
"This happened when I acknowledged my  6.4% Native American. I identify as white but I hold a very special place for the Native American woman ancestor. She represents bravery and strength. I’m proud of her but I don’t claim belonging to a tribe since I didn’t experience living the culture. Just acknowledging her with gratitude 🙏🏼🕊️💙"

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95. @tknows470
"Today I learned FBA and ADOS exist. You have every right to be here, and I’m glad you are speaking out and sharing your story and your family history. Your story MATTERS. I was glad to see you display a bit of righteous indignation at the ignorant comments. Bravo, Danielle! ❤"

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96. @jcortese3300
"The dude who said "ain't no white folks in my family" seriously needs to take a DNA test."

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97. @tg8000
"He's in for a rude awakening if he is a true FBA. I'm even considered an afro latina on top of other things. FBAs are a different ethnogenetic group. It is truly a lineage. Most of the blks in the US are 1st, 2nd or 3rd descendents of carribean or african families. So he may not have any wyte ancestors, and that's ok."

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98. @komickazetoons3992
"If it got out that whites in this country had some black dna and blacks had some white dna than maybe we could move past race here in America"

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99. @MerlotBaby
"They don't have whites in their immediate or close extended family is what they mean. Many FBA know we have white ancestors or share a very insignificant amount of DNA with some white ppl lol."

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100. @PhilCherry3
"Many of my family members would say exactly what that man said. “Ain’t no White folks in our family!”  But they have never explored their family’s lineage past maybe the great-grandparents level. But I’m in year twenty of my exhaustive research into the various branches of my family tree.  I have found branches that were lost to our collective knowledge of our family history or were never known to begin with.  Through those lines I have met several White cousins who didn’t know they were anything less than 100% White until their DNA results were revealed.  Many of these cousins had been put up for adoption by their White mothers when they were born.  Many of these events took place in major cities as one of the byproducts of the Great Migration.  In all cases these cousins had been raised with a White identity.  I now know better and will not say, “Ain’t no White people in our family.” "

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101. @the_wb
"Many FBA have a white branch in their genealogy.  But that don't make us white.

Her family white now but a few generations ago one side of her family was not.

So if her even had any questions why she was drawn to anything culturally blk and loving it. It was that ancestral spirit in her bloodline.  Yall hatin on her learning who she is."

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102. @Arkansas223
"Not all FBAs have white DNA, slave owners didn’t rape everyone & not everyone was a slave, and some of us are in small towns in Arkansas never mixed & never moved since slavery ended."

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103. @the_wb
"@Arkansas223  that's 💯 % correct.  But we do tend to overly simply it to explain it, as we know the depth of our lineage is American history itself."

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104.@Below-Average_Joe
"Hey Danielle, FBA person here. I enjoy your channel and no one has the right to tell you not to acknowledge your ancestors. I have had a DNA test twice and I am 85% African, 3% Native American, 12% White. Physically, I look like a dark skinned FBA with kinky hair. I am not trying to claim whiteness or an Indigenous identity, but the facts of my origin are what they are."

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105. @mrkellycottle4592
"I am an American Black male. I applaud your channel. This is so important. Slavery and Race in America is very complicated. There are so many uncomfortable truths about race that most people don’t understand or want to understand. Your family history isn’t unique to just you and more people need to learn that. Thank you 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾"

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106. @JCSAXON
"So they’d deny your children of ancestral connection. It’s another wave of bigotry. Don’t let ‘em grind a ya down. Your research is invaluable ❤✨"

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107. @BabyRaye411
"Girl,  you do not have to explain yourself.  That is your blood, your story. SPEAK YOUR TRUTH!!!!!  No one can tell you who you are!!!!  Much love!   I am black ...... are they the black police.....they only have power if you give it to them.  Keep going girl!!!!"

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108. @tracyclark7560
"good point, do not give your power away.  Speak what is yours and what you know and what you've found.  End of download."

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