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Thursday, April 16, 2026

The Use Of "O" At The End Of Sentences In Some West African Languages & Its Possible Influence On The Use Of -O In The Titles & Lyrics Of Some Caribbean & Some American Folk Songs

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part III of a three part pancocojams series about the meaning of the "-o" in titles and lyrics of some (such as "day-o" and "valley-o")

This post presents information and theories about the influence of the use of -o in some West African languages on the use of -o in the titles and lyrics of some Caribbean and some American folk songs.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/04/comments-about-meaning-of-o-in-titles.html  for Part I of this pancocojams series. That post presents comments from two online discussion threads about the meaning of the "-O" in titles and lyrics of some (such as "day-o" and "valley-o")

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/04/titles-of-some-caribbean-folk-songs.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. That post presents examples, information, and  lists, theories about the use of -o in titles and lyrics of some Caribbean folk songs.

The content of this post is presented for linguistic and folkloric purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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DISCLAIMER
This pancocojams post doesn't mean to imply that "o" in some West African languages has the same meaning/s as "-o" in song titles and lyrics in some folks songs from the Caribbean, the USA, the UK, and elsewhere.

This post presents the possibility of the use of "o" in some West African languages influencing the use of "-o" in songs from those other places.

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INFORMATION AND COMMENTS ABOUT THE USE OF O IN SOME WEST AFRICAN LANGUAGES

Source #1
from AI Overview
"The use of "o" (or "oh") at the end of sentences is a widespread linguistic feature in West African languages, particularly within Nigeria, serving as a terminal intensifier, discourse marker, or emphatic particle. It functions as a spoken punctuation mark that adds emotion, emphasis, or a sense of camaraderie to a statement.

Usage in Yoruba

Emphasis/Confirmation: In Yoruba, the particle o is added to the end of sentences to emphasize a statement, often acting as a spoken punctuation mark.

Sign of Respect/Greeting: It is often used in greetings, such as Eku ile o (greetings to those at home) or Eku abo o (welcome).

Cultural Context: The particle is used to soften commands or signal politeness, turning a potentially abrupt sentence into one that shows warmth.

Usage in Igbo

Affirmation: According to studies, the final particle o in Igbo is used for affirmation or assent to a salutation.

Distance/Attention: It is frequently used when speaking to someone at a distance or to ensure the listener hears the message clearly.

Command Structure: It is part of the structure of many spoken Igbo phrases to add emphasis.

Usage in Nigerian Pidgin English

Terminal Intensifier: Pidgin uses "o" to heighten the meaning of a preceding phrase, similar to the Yoruba usage.

Examples:

E don taya me o! (I am truly fed up!).

Dis food sweet o! (This food is very delicious).

No vex o! (Please do not be angry).

Function: It signifies solidarity and realis modality, indicating that the statement is a serious, firm fact, suggestion, or command.

Other African Languages & Context

Areal Feature: The particle o is found along the West African coast from Sierra Leone to Nigeria, suggesting it is a shared regional linguistic feature.

Other Languages: In Duala (Cameroon), o is used for questions or calls at a distance.

Why It Is Used:

Grammatical Influence: Because the Yoruba language often avoids ending words with consonants, the addition of o acts as a phonetic, gentle ending to English words in Nigerian usage.

Emotional Depth: It is used to add tone, surprise, or drama to conversations.

Commonly Used "O" Phrases

"I no know o" (I really do not know).

"How you dey o" (How are you doing? - with emphasis).

"Na so o" (That is just how it is).
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This is the complete reprint that is the result of my April 16, 2026 question about the meaning of "o" in West African languages

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Source #2

[Pancocojams Editor's Note: 
These are selected comments from this discussion threadwith numbers added for referencing purposes only. All of these comments are from 2023]

From https://www.reddit.com/r/Nigeria/comments/1e24acg/why_do_nigerians_add_o_to_the_last_word_of_a"why do Nigerians add "o" to the last word of a sentence?"

1. slightlystupid_10
"why do Nigerians add "o" to the last word of a sentence?

Ask Naija

when I hear Nigerians speak they almost always add "o" to the last word of the sentence. for example instead of saying "How are you?" they would say "How are you o?"

 (I am not Nigerian, am an Eritrean-Canadian. love from Canada)"

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2. evil_brain
" "O" is a word in many West African languages. It's added to the end of sentences to add emphasis. Think of it as a spoken punctuation mark.

It's kind of like the particle "ma" in Mandarin Chinese. There's probably lots of other languages that have similar words. Just not the European ones."

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3. SwanDifferent
"Many interesting theories shared so far, but you've also probably been around Yoruba people. Yoruba language has no words ending with consonants. So adding o to the end of sentences in english likely arises from that quirk in their mother tongue"

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4. MildlySelassie
"This is an interesting suggestion, but I think it doesn’t really explain it. For example, lots of Ijo languages also have no words, but Ibibio and Efik and other languages nearby do have such words - but it doesn’t seem like they differ in how they use sentence-final o."

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5. [deleted]
"i don’t know o"

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6. Chip_the_Player
"I don’t know but when you find out tell me o"

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7. Neo_DD
"Emphasis.. How are you doing would actually sound like... How you dey? Or how you dey na? The first is a bit more casual and the other a bit more caring.. How you dey oo is more like a stressed question, could mean cause you didn't hear at first, or just to emphasis a bit more.."

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8. kuunami79
"Ghanaians do it too. I think it's a western African thing."

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9. mr_poppington
"It's a Naija thing but with the proliferation and spread of Nollywood and Nigerian music you find a lot of other African countries saying it now. I'm old enough to remember when Ghanaians used to laugh when we talked like that."

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10. GashDem
"Oo has been around in Ghana since before the 1980s. I doubt Nollywood is that old."

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11. [deleted]
"Wait the term Nollywood or the Nigerian film industry? If you think the Nigerian film industry doesn’t pre-date 1980, then I have to call to question everything you’ve been saying. Either you are truly a Gen Z masquerading as a Gen X or you just don’t have role range to speak on these issues."

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12. MildlySelassie
"It’s a discourse marker, or a grammatical particle - kind of like eh for Canadians, like one other commenter said.

It means a different thing, though - Canadian eh indicates that someone’s asking a question that they already have some idea of the answer to.

Pidgin o has a meaning that’s subtle to describe, and emi I no dey for 9ja. But I think it means something roughly like “this thing I am saying is more of a suggestion/command than a statement of fact of opinion”. It definitely has a meaning, it’s not okay to add it on the end of every utterance."

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13. Isaky206
"Emphasis. Or it’s like trying to let you know the question is kinda important and you have to answer."

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14. 
Work_In_Progress_007
"It is for the emphasis o!"

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15. ChampSilvanus
"I actually don't know o But the thing is already an inseparable part of our conversations"

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9jkWe3n86
"Akwa Ibom

If it's Efịk, it's a sign of respect."
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Akwa Ibom is a state in the West African nation of Nigeria. Efik is one of the languages spoken in that part of Nigeria.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akwa_Ibom_State

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INFORMATION AND THEORIES ABOUT THE INFLUENCE OF THE USE OF O IN SOME WEST AFRICAN LANGUAGES AND ITS POSSIBLE INFLUENCE ON THE USE OF -O IN SOME CARIBBEAN AND SOME AMERICAN FOLK SONGS


These quotes are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.

Source #1
From https://journals.openedition.org/linx/8350 "The sentence final particle o in Ikwere by Sylvester N. OSU 30 décembre 2021"
"The sentence final particle (henceforth SFP)1 o has been identified in several Nigerian languages (e.g., Igbo, Yoruba, Ikwere) extending to the Nigerian Pidgin English. According to Williamson (1972: 350), it is used at the end of sentences in Igbo (Benue-Congo, Igboid, Nigeria) when speaking to someone at a distance; it is also used as a sign of affirmation, or assent to a salutation. Sachnine (1997: 200) reports that it has a slight emphatic function in Yoruba (Benue-Congo, Yoruboid, Nigeria). Faraclas (1996: 116) finds that it has an emphatic marking function and adds meanings of empathy, solidarity and realis modality to the assertion in the Nigerian Pidgin English. Interestingly, the SFP o does exist in other languages outside Nigeria. For instance, Helmlinger (1972: 387) states that it is used in Duala (Benue-Congo, Bantu, Cameroon) for questions or calls at a distance. Furthermore, Singler (1988: 123) suggests that “the sentence-final particle o is a real feature par excellence, extending along the West African coast from Sierra Leone to Nigeria. English-and French-lexifier pidgins and creoles display it as well, not only in West Africa but also in the Caribbean”. To buttress this point, Singler (1988: 123-125) draws examples from Klao, Bassa, Kroumen, Wobe (Kru); Nkonya, Twi (Kwa); Mende, Kpelle, Mano (Mande); Kisi (West Atlantic); as well as Ibibio (Benue-Congo)."...
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I added italics to highlight these sentences.

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Source #2
From https://www.amazon.com/Comparative-Analysis-Jamaican-Nigerian-English/dp/1478158905 A Comparative Analysis of Jamaican Creole and Nigerian Pidgin English Paperback by Pamela Odimegwu – July 2, 2012

A Comparative Analysis of Jamaican Creole and Nigerian Pidgin English Paperback – July 2, 2012

by Pamela Odimegwu (Author)
"Nigerian Pidgin English shows a large number of similarities to Jamaican Creole or Patois. Many phrases and words in Patois are also found in Nigerian Pidgin English. Linguists believe that this is due to the fact that the majority of slaves taken to the New World were from West Africa. Though many comparative studies have been made on Pidgins and Creoles, none or not many have been made specifically on Nigerian Pidgin English and Jamaican Creole. This book examines some of the similarities and differences which exist between Nigerian Pidgin English and Jamaican Creole. The book also investigates whether these two languages do, in fact have a common origin"
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2022/09/o-at-end-of-sentences-in-yoruba-igbo.html for a 2022 pancocojams post entitled "O" At The End Of Sentences In Yoruba, Igbo, Nigerian Pidgin English & Various Other African Languages (Online Excerpts) to read these and some other excerpts on this subject.

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Titles Of Some Caribbean Folk Songs That End With "- O" (Examples: "Day-O" & "Chi-Chi Bud Oh!")

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II of a three part pancocojams series about the meaning of the "-o" in titles and lyrics of some (such as "day-o" and "valley-o")

This post presents examples, information, and theories about the meaning of the use of -o in titles and lyrics of some Caribbean folk songs. This list is culled from a Mudcat folk music discussion thread entitled "West Indian and Calypso Songs". That thread includes song books from other Caribbean nation and is still open for comments (as of April 26, 2026).

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/04/comments-about-meaning-of-o-in-titles.html  for Part I of this pancocojams series. That post presents comments from two online discussion threads about the meaning of the "-O" in titles and lyrics of some (such as "day-o" and "valley-o")

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/04/o-in-some-west-african-languages-its.html for Part III of this pancocojams series. That post presents information and theories about the influence of the use of -o in some West African languages on the use of -o in the titles and lyrics of some Caribbean folk songs.

The content of this post is presented for linguistic and folkloric purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the composers of these Caribbean folk songs and the collectors of these songs. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post..
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This post replaces a 2022 pancocojams post on this subject.

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A LIST OF CARIBBEAN FOLK SONGS WHOSE TITLES END WITH AN "O" OR THE WORD "OH" [From Mudcat Folk Music Forum]

Pancocojams Editor's Note:
These excerpts only include the songs in these books whose titles end with an "o" or the word "oh".

These featured titles are a small subset of the titles for the songs in the books that are given in that Mudcat folk music discussion thread.

Additions and corrections are welcome.

Numbers are added for referencing purposes only and doesn't coincide with the posts (comments) that are found in that discussion thread since the posts (comments) that don't have any song titles with an "o" or "oh" ending aren't included in this pancocojams excerpt.

https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=138255

1. Subject: Index: West Indian and Calypso Songs (Silverman)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Jun 11 - 08:05 PM

" "West Indian and Calypso songs /

Jerry Silverman, 1994, ©1995

English : Printed music : Popular music 1 score (64 p.) : ill. ; 32 cm.

New York : Chelsea House,...

A collection of songs created from the coming together of West African and European traditions in the Caribbean region.

 ...Feuille-o... Day-o.".. 

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2. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso Songbooks
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Jun 11 - 09:28 PM

" "SONGS FROM TRINIDAD
Edric Connor, 1958, Arranged for voices, guitar, drum and bass by Gareth Walters.

Oxford University Press, London, quarto, pbk.

...Calypsos

22. Sing Sally Oh"...

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3. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 01:56 PM

"JAMAICAN SONG AND STORY

Annancy Stories, Digging Sings, Ring Tunes, and Dancing Tunes. With introductory essays.

Walter Jekyll, coll. and edit., 1904 (Dover reprints), The Folk-lore Society, LV.

 ...Part II

...Bad homan oh!

Bell a ring a yard oh!

...Oh Samuel oh!

Oh 'liza oh!

Aunty Mary oh!

...Cheer me oh!

...Part III

Ring Tunes

...Oh me Toad oh!"...

Part IV

Dancing Tunes

(to follow in next post)"

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4. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 04:06 PM

"Jamaican Song and Story con't.

Part IV

Dancing Tunes

....Oh jilly oh!...

Susan, very well why oh!...

Blackbird a eat puppa corn, oh!"...

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5. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 10 Jun 11 - 09:14 PM

"Mango Time: Folk Songs of Jamaica

Noel Dexter, Geoffrey Taylor, Ian Randle Publisherds, Kingston, Jamaica, 2007.

...Day Oh...

Missa Ram Goat O..."

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6. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Gda Music
Date: 11 Jun 11 - 02:51 PM

"Folk Songs of JAMAICA

Edited and arranged by Tom Murray

Oxford University Press (60p) ....

INTRODUCTION - TOM MURRAY

KINGSTON, JAMAICA, B.W.I - April, 1951

...SONGS ABOUT ANIMALS OR BIRDS

Chi-Chi Bud Oh!....

....WORKING SONGS

...Sammy Dead Oh!"...

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7. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 04:36 PM

"FORTY FOLK SONGS OF JAMAICA

Olive Lewin, collected and transcribed by, 1973.

With musical scores, Notes and Glossary. Comments and photographs....

...Little Samuel-O (Revival song)

Wheel Oh (Jonkunnu)"...

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8. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 09:38 PM

"Songs Belafonte Sings

Harry Belafonte; Bob Bollard, ed., Charles White, illus. (New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce, 1963)

©1962 Harry Belafonte Enterprise's, Inc.

...Part Three THE WEST INDIES

Day-O

...Angelique-o"...

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9. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 06:52 PM

"Island in the Sun: The Songs of Irving Burgie

Okun, Milt, ed, (Port Chester: Cherry Lane Music Company, 1996)

© 1996 Cherry Lane Music Company

ISBN 1-5760-036-6

Day-O"...

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10. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: Padre
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 11:02 PM

"Deep the Water, Shallow the Shore" by Roger D. Abrahams contains shanties from Nevis, Tobago, and St. Vincent. The Boarding Party sang several of them, including "Solid Fas' Bully, Long Time Ago" "Yard O, Yard O"

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11. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 13 Feb 16 - 09:49 PM

" "Brown Girl in the Ring: An Anthology of Song Games from the Eastern Caribbean

Lomax, Alan, Elder, J.D., Lomax, Bess Hawes, (New York: Pantheon, 1997)

© 1997 by Alan Lomax

SONG GAMES FROM TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO

...Sammy Dead-O...

Mister Ram Goat-O...

SONG GAMES FROM DOMINICA AND ST. LUCIA

Ariyèl-O

...Ay Zabèl-O

....PASS-PLAY SONGS FROM CARRIACOU

Anana-O

Élé Misi-O

Mary and Martha Is Bound to Wear the Crown-O"...

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11.  Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 16 Feb 16 - 06:10 PM

"Le Carnival de St-Pierre (Martinique)

45 Chansons Créoles Recufillies de 1920 a 1925 par Victor Coridun

Deuxième Edition, R. Illemay, Fort-de-France, 1930

CHANSONS POLITIQUES

Périnelle, oh!..."

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12. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 17 Apr 16 - 05:28 AM

[..]

"Elia And Michele Clark – Sing Calypso Songs For Children

Columbia ‎LP: CL 995, 1957 (17 tracks)

...Oh, Gel-ique-O!"...

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13. 
Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 09:38 PM

"Songs Belafonte Sings

Harry Belafonte; Bob Bollard, ed., Charles White, illus. (New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce, 1963)

©1962 Harry Belafonte Enterprise's, Inc.

Part Three THE WEST INDIES

[...]

Day-O

Angelique-o

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14. 
Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: Padre
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 11:02 PM

" "Deep the Water, Shallow the Shore" by Roger D. Abrahams contains shanties from Nevis, Tobago, and St. Vincent. The Boarding Party sang several of them, including "Solid Fas' "Bully, Long Time Ago" "Yard O, Yard O"

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15. 
Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 13 Feb 16 - 09:49 PM

Brown Girl in the Ring: An Anthology of Song Games from the Eastern Caribbean

Lomax, Alan, Elder, J.D., Lomax, Bess Hawes, (New York: Pantheon, 1997)

© 1997 by Alan Lomax

SONG GAMES FROM TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO

[...]

Sammy Dead-O

Mister Ram Goat-O

SONG GAMES FROM DOMINICA AND ST. LUCIA

[...]

Ariyèl-O

Ay Zabèl-O

[...] 

PASS-PLAY SONGS FROM CARRIACOU

Anana-O

Élé Misi-O

[...]

Mary and Martha Is Bound to Wear the Crown-O"...

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16. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 16 Feb 16 - 06:10 PM

" Le Carnival de St-Pierre (Martinique)

45 Chansons Créoles Recufillies de 1920 a 1925 par Victor Coridun

Deuxième Edition, R. Illemay, Fort-de-France, 1930

CHANSONS POLITIQUES

Périnelle, oh!

[...] 

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17. Subject: RE: Songbook Indexing: Calypso/Caribbean Songbooks
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 22 May 16 - 02:02 PM

"Songs from Trinidad

[...]

Sing Sally oh

[...]"

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Wednesday, April 15, 2026

Comments About The Meaning Of The "-O" In Titles & Lyrics Of Some Folk Songs (Examples: The Words "Day-O" And "Valley-o")

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part I of a three part pancocojams series about the 
meaning of the "-o" in titles and lyrics of some (such as "day-o" and "valley-o")

This post presents comments from two online discussion threads about the meaning of the "-O" in titles and lyrics of some (such as "day-o" and "valley-o")

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/04/titles-of-some-caribbean-folk-songs.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. That post presents examples, information, and  lists, theories about the use of -o in titles and lyrics of some Caribbean folk songs.

Click 
https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/04/o-in-some-west-african-languages-its.html for Part III of this pancocojams series. That post presents information and theories about the influence of the use of -o in some West African languages on the use of -o in the titles and lyrics of some Caribbean folk songs.

The content of this post is presented for linguistic and folkloric purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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SOURCE #1

[Pancocojams Editor's Note- Numbers are given for referencing purposes only.]

From https://www.reddit.com/r/linguistics/comments/1t0ufv/what_is_the_history_of_adding_the_syllable_o_to/

1. Rbseventhson, 2012
"What is the history of adding the syllable "O" to the end of verses in Irish and Scottish folk songs?

Apologies in advance if this is the wrong sub. It seems to be a common device in traditional Irish and Scottish folk songs to add an "O" at the end of verses. There are countless examples, including "Green grow the rashes-o", "Whiskey in the jar-o", "Alive, alive-o" (the first two examples from songs of the same name, the last from Molly Malone aka Cockles & Mussels).

Is there any explanation for how this came about or why it was done? Did the O have a meaning at some point, or did it add some significance to the line it appended?"

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2. ahsurethatsgrand, 2012
"I think it's just an exclamation which also helps to keep the rhythm of the song. I've seen it used in many Irish-language songs so perhaps it carried over into Hiberno‐English and Scottish English.

See this song for example: Caoineadh na dTrí Mhuire "Alas, and alas-o!"."

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3. [deleted], 2012
"SANTA is his name-o!"
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SOURCE #2

[Pancocojams Editor's Note:  I reformatted these comments to place the editor's name/commenter's name/s and date/s before the comment. Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.] 

From https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/78292/what-purpose-does-an-o-serve

1.
Kit Z. Fox , Aug 15, 2012 at 0:18
Tchrist, edited Aug 13, 2014
"I have been singing a lot of children’s songs lately, and this afternoon in the car I noticed three songs that add an ‑o to the end of words:

“He had many a mile to go that night before he reached the town-o” from The Fox (no relation)

“A rare bog, a rattlin’ bog, the bog down in the valley-o” from The Rattlin’ Bog

“Day-o, me say day-o, daylight come and me wanna go home” from Day-o

This is not used for engineering a rhyme. I had considered two other possibilities. One is that it is used to extend closed consonant sounds, but this obviously doesn't hold up for valley and day.

My other theory was that it was for fitting meter, but this seems doubtful. You could substitute a comparable word to fit the meter (village instead of town, for instance). Also, valley could easily be stretched to fit. And finally, in the song “Day‑o”, there is a part of the song where the ‑o is dropped, but otherwise the line is the same: “Day, me say day, me say day, me say day‑o...”

Aside from the song lyrics, it seems there are examples of this phenomenon in spoken language that may be related. For example, boyo, bucko, kiddo, daddy‑o, and various nicknames like Rocko, Jacko, and so on.

So where does this ‑o come from, and what purpose does it serve?

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2. J.R. CommentedAug 15, 2012 at 1:02
"And a more modern example (courtesy of RHCP...) –

"And Bingo was his name-o."

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3. StoneyB on hiatus answered Aug 15, 2012 at 0:57,
edited May 12, 2013 at 20:59
"The OED (1st edition—another answer supplies a more recent treatment) regards this as a (usually Scots) variant of older -a, both being common tags on the rhyming words in popular ballads (-o from 1727, -a from 1567). See this and this for examples. Note that the convention is only to record the extra syllable in the first stanza, no doubt to save the printer effort.

At A, inter., 4 OED conjectures that it arose in "the necessary retention of ME. final -e where wanted for measure" (that is, meter). I can adduce no example, nor is it likely that any could be found, since would have occurred in the spoken (or sung) language's evolution—and certainly before printing and a rising middle-class market provided an incentive to record such vulgarities.

Uniting arguments at both A and O, we find it implied that over the course of time this extra syllable came to be regarded as an interjection, Ah! or Oh!, evolved thence into a stock ornament of popular song, and eventually became so identified with the genre that it became a 'signature' of burlesque balladry.

This seems very plausible to me. -o marks the genre—and incidentally provides the balladmaker additional melodic opportunity.

EDIT: I believe this answers your question with respect to your first two quotations. In the third o more likely represents a weary interjection. @tchrist's answer seems to me to address your penultimate paragraph.'....

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4. Kit Z. Fox Commented Aug 15, 2012 at 11:55
"In your example, those look like vocative Os. That has the interesting implication that they could be used in an attempt to encourage the audience to participate in the song, which actually makes a lot of sense."

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5. 
Kit Z. Fox Commented Aug 15, 2012 at 11:57
"The first part of your answer is a bit tricky though. None of the examples tag rhyming words, and also (I don't believe) any of them have what would be considered to be a final -e, and though this may have become a genre marker, still, why on words that don't meet those criteria? "

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6. tchrist answered Aug 15, 2012 at 0:37
user2512 edited Aug 15, 2012 at 20:18
"Edit

I should have checked the OED3; it has significantly expanded its treatment.

They seem much more certain now, citing three distinct origins, then following that up with significant discussion in their finest print, and then their four distinct senses. Skip the fine print the first time you read this.

Etymology: < -o, of various origins:

(i) as the final syllable of words of chiefly Romance origin;

(ii) as the vowel that became final after the shortening of a word by dropping the syllables following a medial o, especially in compounds truncated after a prefix or combining form ending in -o ; and

(iii) < ho int.1, O int., and oh int., occurring as a second element in various exclamatory phrases. The suffix is attached both to full words and to truncated forms of words and phrases.

(Here is where the fine print occurs.)

Forming slang and colloquial nouns, adjectives, and interjections. The use of the suffix is widespread in English-speaking countries and is especially associated with Australia.

Forming interjections, as whacko int., whammo int.

Forming familiar, informal equivalents of nouns and adjectives, as (from truncated word-forms) aggro n. and adj., combo n., metho n.1; (from complete words) bucko n., kiddo n.; cheapo adj., neato adj.

Forming personal nouns from non-personal nouns, as milko n., wino n.1

Forming nouns from adjectives, as pinko n., weirdo n.

Fine Print

Borrowing of words ending in -o from Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish, with retention of the final vowel, began in the early 16th cent. (e.g. Morisco adj., frizado n.). Previously, such forms had usually been assimilated to native phonological structure by the removal of the final vowel. Since unstressed final long vowels had not hitherto been part of English phonology, there was a tendency for the vowels o and a in this position to be confused; in spelling, final o frequently replaced a and other syllables (e.g. in camisado n. (Spanish camisada), calico n. (compare the place name Calicut), both from before 1550), and this tendency to substitute o continued into the 17th cent. and later (compare mango n.1 (Portuguese manga ), lingo n.1 (Portuguese lingua)); there are also English formations which appear to have been made in imitation of Romance loanwords (e.g. stingo n. and perhaps the nonce-word twango int.). By the late 17th cent., final -o seems to have become assimilated into English phonology and appears in new words of undetermined origin, e.g. bingo n.1, rhino n.1

The shortening of a word immediately after a medial o, and in particular where this occurs at the end of a prefix or combining form, first appears in the late 17th cent. and early 18th centuries, e.g. plenipo n., memo n., and hypo n.1 This probably established an association of the ending -o with casual or light-hearted use which it has retained ever since. Further examples are attested in the early 19th cent., e.g. (combining forms) Anglo n.1, mezzo n.1, typo n.; (other words) compo n.2, loco n.1 After 1851 this type of clipping becomes, and has remained, extremely common. Truncation after a written o not pronounced as such may be the explanation of tambo n.1 (mid 19th cent.), which, if not the first example of the use of the suffix -o, seems to anticipate its later pattern of use with truncated word-forms.

The attachment of ho int.1, O int., and oh int. to other words to form conventional cries and refrains is attested from late Middle English, e.g. in heave ho int. and n., hey-ho int.; alive ho! is attested from the early 18th cent. or earlier (see (all) alive, (alive), oh! at alive adj. Phrases 2); and expressions such as righto int. and n., billy-o n., and cheerio int. are attested from the later 19th and early 20th cent. A number of words occur in the second half of the 19th cent. which appear to have their origin in the attachment of one of these interjections to a noun or adjective to form a refrain-like or vocative expression (such as a form of address or a public announcement) which was subsequently used as an ordinary noun or adjective (compare spell oh! (or ho!) at spell n.3 3c). Some of these are normally or frequently written as hyphenated compounds of -ho , -O or -oh, e.g. smoke-ho n., dead-oh adj. (late 19th cent.), bottle-o(h n., rabbit-o n. and int. (early 20th cent.), daddy-o n. (mid 20th cent.), while others (see below) are treated in spelling as having the suffix -o; their classification as cases or non-cases of the present suffix is rather arbitrary. The earliest example which shows a clear transition from one use to the other is milko int. and n.; other examples of the use of the suffix in similar formations are kiddo n. and Relievo n.2 (a game named after the cry used in it) (late 19th cent.), whizzo int. and adj., and socko int., adj., and n. (first half of 20th cent.).

From the early 20th cent. the addition of the suffix to complete words to form nouns, adjectives, and interjections of all kinds becomes very common, e.g. wino n.1, whacko int., and cheapo adj. The earliest example of the addition of the suffix to a truncated word is probably beano n. (second half of 19th cent.), followed by Salvo n.3, an Australian formation; another (uncertain) example from the same time and place is robbo n. Since the beginning of the 20th cent. formations of this kind have become numerous, e.g. ammo n., arvo n. (one of several later Australian formations), and wacko adj.

The suffix is not infrequently used to create product names, among the earliest being blanco n. and Oxo n. in the late 19th cent.

Examples

It’s not surprising you heard it in songs; I think it happens there a lot. Consider the words the children’s song The Farmer in the Dell:

          The farmer in the dell

          The farmer in the dell

          Heigh-ho, the derry-o

          The farmer in the dell.

This kind of thing is used a great deal by the “nonsense” of Tolkien’s Tom Bombadil character when he sings — which he pretty much does always, even when it’s written as prose.

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I imagine uncountably many similar examples could be pulled from literature and nursery rhymes alike."

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7. Kit Z. Fox  Commented Aug 15, 2012 at 11:48
"Wow, that's a lot of text. So you are basically saying that it is used like an interjection or exclamation to add emphasis? I think this is also what StoneyB was saying."

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8. FumbleFingers answered Aug 15, 2012 at 3:14,
edited Aug 15, 2012 at 12:02
"In and of itself, the "-o" suffix has no real "meaning" or "etymology".

I think one could easily over-analyse this suffix. Even if they've never been taught it in school, all English speakers know that the sounds they use to form words are basically divided into "vowels" and "consonants". In relaxed/familiar contexts, we habitually discard trailing consonants from words, and sometimes add vowels.

The name Steven/Stephen is routinely shortened to "Steve", and may then be extended to "Stevie", for example. As it happens, not many Stevens / Stephens are called "Steve-o", but Danno, Richo, Robbo etc. are standard "diminutive" forms.

Appended to names of individuals, the suffix often conveys familiarity/inclusiveness/approval. The speaker (but not necessarily everyone else) can use this special "pet name". As with "Dad/Daddie", it's only used by certain people, of certain others.

Added to identifiers that aren't actually names, those "positive" associations are usually swamped by the more dismissive/condemnatory connotations of "familiarity" (that which breeds contempt). We know of something, and wish to convey that fact through the way we refer to it. But we want to place some "distance" between ourselves and the referent, by using a variant of the standard identifier. Thus, psycho, wino, fatso, whacko, weirdo, dumbo, etc.

In another common context, it's just an interjection (based on "Oh!") that adds an element of informality (good-o, right[y]-[h]o, run like billy-o, etc.).

Apparently other languages use the suffix with "negative" connotations - examples from Swedish: "fetto" 'fat person' (< "fet" 'fat'), "neggo" 'negative person' (< "negative" 'negative'), "dummo" 'stupid person' (< "dum" 'stupid'), "nordo" 'neird' (< "nord" 'neird')

TL;DR: "-o" is just a generic "diminutive" where the "meaning" (if any) depends on context.

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9. 
Kit Z. Fox Commented Aug 15, 2012 at 11:59 
"So are you saying that town-o, valley-o, and day-o are all diminutives? "

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10. FumbleFingers Commented Aug 15, 2012 
"@KitFox: I'm not sure I've ever heard town-o or valley-o, and day-o only suggests The Banana Boat Song to me, so I can't really say whether the suffix itself means anything at all in those cases. But yes - I'd still consider them "diminutive" forms, even if I can't say what purpose the suffix might serve in those specific cases. There is a reasonably consistent difference if you say "Good-o!" instead of "Good!", or refer to, say, Robusto here as "Robbo", is all I know. "

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11. Kit Z. Fox Commented Aug 15, 2012 at  12:48
"Well, town-o, valley-o, and day-o (from the Banana Boat Song) are the examples I mention above, with handy links. I don't think interpreting them as diminutives makes sense. I also want to point out that you needn't modify Robusto—he comes with his emphasis built in."

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12. FumbleFingers Commented Aug 15, 2012 at 13:59
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@KitFox: I think you and I have different ideas of what it means to call something a diminutive form. To me, it's a just a structural thing that doesn't inherently add any specific meaning that needs to "make sense". In my examples, you can infer a semantic nuance, but in yours it's probably more a matter of scansion within song lyrics."

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13. Mitch, August 15, 2012 at 14:42 
"@FumbleFingers: 'diminutive' makes me think of something smaller. What do you mean by 'diminutive'? Oh, I see in your link: "a formation of a word used to convey a slight degree of the root meaning, smallness of the object or quality named, encapsulation, intimacy, or endearment". That doesn't seem relevant to any of the examples mentioned by you or anyone else."

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14. FumbleFingers, CommentedAug 15, 2012 at 17:04
"@Mitch: That definition seems apposite to me. Danno, Robbo convey familiarity/endearment, good-o, right-o familiarity/informality, and wino, fatso contemptuous/belittling familiarity. I don't think there's any meaningful nuance in OP's examples from lyrics - they just help the scansion/metre along"
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Saturday, October 11, 2025

The Origins & Multiple Contemporary Vernacular (Slang) Meanings Of The Word "Based"

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This pancocojams post presents information about the origins and the multiple vernacular (slang) meanings of the English word "based".

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INFORMATION ABOUT LIL B, THE FIRST PERSON TO COIN A VERNACULAR MEANING FOR THE WORD "BASED"
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lil_B (retrieved October 11, 2025)
"Brandon Christopher McCartney (born August 17, 1989),[1][2] known professionally as Lil B and Lil B The BasedGod, is an American rapper and record producer. He began his career as a member of the Berkeley, California-based hip hop group the Pack in 2005, who signed with Too Short's Up All Nite Records, an imprint of Jive Records the following year. The group became best known for their hit song "Vans", their sole entry on the Billboard Hot 100, later releasing two studio albums before disbanding in 2010.

McCartney's extensive use of social media in his solo career and online persona has yielded a cult following. His work spans several genres, including comedy hip-hop, new age, jazz, indie rock and choral music. He calls his alter ego the BasedGod, and is credited with having coined the slang term "based", which originally denoted a lifestyle of positivity, impudence or boldness. By the late 2010s, the phrase had been used to describe stances or actions that negate political correctness; by the 2020s, the term had entered the mainstream and regained a neutral connotation.[3][4][5]

Lil B has been credited as "the godfather of internet rap" as well as one of the "most influential rappers" of the 2010s, influencing artists such as Kendrick Lamar, Playboi Carti, Young Thug, Lil Yachty, Chief Keef, Chance the Rapper, Yung Lean, Earl Sweatshirt, Black Kray, Bladee, Xaviersobased, and Tyler, the Creator, as well as actor Timothée Chalamet.

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Artistry

McCartney and music critics refer to his rapping style as "based", a word that McCartney also uses to describe a positive, bold lifestyle. "Based" is a reclaimed word, as described by McCartney in Complex:[39][40]

Based means being yourself. Not being scared of what people think about you. Not being afraid to do what you wanna do. Being positive. When I was younger, based was a negative term that meant like dopehead, or basehead. People used to make fun of me. They was like, "You're based." They'd use it as a negative. And what I did was turn that negative into a positive. I started embracing it like, "Yeah, I'm based." I made it mine. I embedded it in my head. Based is positive."...

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SELECTED INTERNET QUOTES ABOUT THE VERNACULAR (SLANG) MEANINGS OF "BASED"
These quotes are numbered for referencing purposes only.

SOURCE #1
From https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/based/ Slang dictionary: based [beysd], September 6, 2018
"What does based mean?

Based is a slang term that originally meant to be addicted to crack cocaine (or acting like you were), but was reclaimed by rapper Lil B for being yourself and not caring what others think of you—to carry yourself with swagger.

Based has been appropriated by the alt-right online as a general term of praise, as if “un-woke.”

Where does based come from?

Based comes from the slang basehead, a term from the 1980s to describe people addicted to freebasing cocaine, a method which makes the drug smokable. The term basehead became synonymous with the crack epidemic that swept the United States at the time. Over time, calling someone based was a way of saying that they were a crack addict, or acting like one, especially in West Coast street slang.

In the way slang things go, people acting eccentric or abnormal were labelled based. At least that’s what seems to have happened with quirky West Coast rapper Brandon “Lil B” McCartney. In reaction to people calling him based, Lil B decided to redefine the term. In 2007, his group, The Pack, released their debut album, Based Boys. In a 2010 interview in Complex magazine, Lil B described his new definition of based: “Based means being yourself. Not being scared of what people think about you. Not being afraid to do what you wanna do.”

It’s not clear when Lil B started calling himself Based God, but by 2011 that nickname was firmly associated with him. Eventually, a cosmology of Based God (or BasedGod) emerged, referring to becoming a sort of higher power that Lil B could access, allowing him special abilities, such as the power to curse basketball player Kevin Durant.

The re-invented based, as a signal of power and swagger, was picked up by the alt-right/white nationalist community online in the 2010s. In 2014, during a controversy over female video-game reviewers known as Gamergate, conservative commentator Christina Hoff Sommers was referred to as Based Mom for pushing back against criticisms that video games and their culture are sexist. Since then, referring to alt-right or right-wing conservative figures as based has become a sign of approval in online social-media forums like the pro-Trump subreddit, r/The_Donald.


Examples of based

"Since Lil B claims to have access to this higher power known as TheBasedGod, he was able to curse Durant after the Thunder All-Star disparaged his music in 2011".- Ananth Pandian, CBS Sports, June, 2016

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"I’m enjoying the #based life. Living my best life!"
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@d4d4t24sh, August, 2018


Who uses based?

Being based is a core part of Lil B’s brand, and so it’s no wonder he—and his fans—are all about that based life. In this hip-hop subculture, it’s all about being a based God—someone with “maximum swagger, a mansion, sports cars… we think the point is that you can have whatever you want.

[…]

A catch phrase for Lil B fans is Thank You Based God—a sort of tongue-in-cheek conflation of a sincere thanks to God and an expression of Based God fandom. It even has its own acronym: TYBG. This catchphrase is a popular meme, typically shown over image macros of someone crying dramatically.

On the other side of the spectrum, alt-right, white nationalist, and other Trump supporters online have, incongruously, adopted based for their own purposes. They routinely post on forums like Reddit with headlines describing someone whose actions they approve of as based (e.g. “Based Boris Johnson refuses to apologize for saying women in burkas look like letterboxes.”).

In 2016, Slate writer Ben Mathis-Lilley perhaps best summed up this strange turn of events with based, worth quoting at length:

 “So what we have here, then, is a word that was created amid an addiction epidemic in urban communities being adopted by bigoted fans of a presidential candidate who was demonstrated unprecedented contempt for, and ignorance of, said communities.” 

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SOURCE #2
From https://www.reddit.com/r/EnglishLearning/comments/mrz4yx/can_anyone_help_me_understand_the_word_based/

1. "r/EnglishLearning

[deleted], 2020
"Can anyone help me understand the word "based"?

Of course I know its original meaning. But on reddit I often see some people comment with only a single word "based" and is actually upvoted which means it makes sense. But I have no idea what it means and I really want to figure it out. Is it a meme?"

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2. [deleted], 2020
From urban dictionary:

«A word used when you agree with something; or when you want to recognize someone for being themselves, i.e. courageous and unique or not caring what others think. Especially common in online political slang.

The opposite of cringe, some times the opposite of biased.»"
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There are at least two different commenters whose screen names were later "deleted" from this discussion thread. From the last quoted comment in this pancocojams compilation, it appears that "luke_duck" was the screen name of most if not all of the other comments ascribed to "deleted" except for comment #1. 

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3. 
theGoodDrSan, 2020
"More or less, yeah. It's originally a reference to Lil B, the Based God, and it basically came from his fans"

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4. 
[deleted], 2020
“Based pretty much means “I agree” but of course it can also be used ironically/sarcastically.”

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5. [deleted], 2021
"It definitely used to be incel rhetoric - I remember seeing it in screenshots of incel forums years ago and back then it was used for agreeing with a view that’s generally unpopular outside of those forums, but popular within them (eg “based and redpilled”). But I would say these days it’s moved away from that and is used by the general population to mean “something I agree with”.

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6. SpookySovl, 2022
"Before it was used by the incels it came from hip hop. Lil B popularized it by being the "Based God" (he says he took the name from people who did freebase cocaine because they were called baseheads so he turned it into the word based and rolled with it)."

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7. Bulletbling,2022
“Everyone my age (in their 20s) uses it this way: "he's based". It's an adjective used to say that someone basically isn't afraid to speak their mind and speaks the truth (or speaks facts).”

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8. STIGANDR8, 2021
"No it doesn't. It's a right wing word meaning the opposite of Woke.

Based is someone who is confident in their traditional opinions of the world and not swayed by the current zeitgeist of liberal thought. Aka: There are only 2 genders"

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9. TiggrrZ, 2021
"Not true. In common parlance, it generally means what u/luke_duck said. Maybe it's a generational thing but it is very common for people my age (young adult) to use it to mean that they agree with something and think it is cool. It's almost never a political thing from my experience."...

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Tuesday, August 13, 2024

Donald Trump's Inauthentic Use Of The Outdated Saying "No Way. Yes Way." During His Livestreamed Twitter Interview With Elon Musk (August 12, 2024)



JP Toutant,  Mar 30, 2010 -snip- This is a scene from the American movie Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure
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INFORMATION ABOUT THE VERNACULAR SAYING "NO WAY. YES WAY."
From https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-expression-no-way-meaning-disbelief-come-about "How Did The Expression "No Way" Meaning Disbelief Come About?"

Answer requested by Theodore Galanis

[answered by David Minger, 2019

BA, MA Linguistics, PhD Education, love science5y

" “No way” would mean no means, method, or avenue toward something. That would (and did) easily evolve from literal means to figurative or metaphorical ones, and to expand semantically to include not just a means of doing something but disbelief and denial of permission.

The phrase used in fairly literal sense has been around since at least the early 1800s:

“Was there no way but this?” (COHA, 1819)

By the 1980s, if not before, it had become a statement of disbelief:

“No,” he told Naftali. “No way.” “Think it’s poisoned?” Naftali laughed again. (COHA, 1981)

But it does not just mean disbelief. It can mean denial of permission.

“You think you are going to get soup here? No way!”

My first memory of “no way” as both denial of permission and disbelief was in the 1980s. It stuck in my mind because a friend had told his young daughter that no way was she going to do something, and her terse rebuttal was, “Yes way!”

(COHA is the Corpus of Historical American English, a fabulous resource at billions of words of data: free online access.)"

**** TRANSCRIPT EXCERPT OF DONALD TRUMP'S USE OF THE SAYING "NO WAY. WAY" From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQi1IQkoEGk "Trump HUMILIATED AGAIN after Video goes VIRAL from Elon interview", published by MeidasTouch, August 13, 2024 (
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Donald Trump's interview with Elon Musk BLEW UP IN HIS FACE, after a humiliating video of Trump leaked online. Francis Maxwell reacts."

[Pancocojams Editor's Note: This excerpt if from the auto-generated transcript of the sound file of that Twitter interview (from 2:48-3:31 in this podcast). I added punctuation, capitalization, and corrected some of the spelling.. …"the biggest takeaway wasn't the substance of the conversation (or lack thereof whatever way you look at it) but the way that the former president was actually speaking. But the former president's words were extremely slurred as he phoned in from Mar-a-lago in front of a flattering painting of himself,
Here's some of what Trump had to say:
“I know Putin very well. I got along with him very well. He respected me and it's just one of those things. And he would, we would talk a lot about Ukraine. It was the apple of his eye. But I said “Don't ever do it. Don't ever do it. You can't do it Vladimir. You do it, it's going to be a bad day.  You cannot do it.
And I told them things, what I do. And he said “No way”. And I said “Way”...

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I added numbers for referencing purposes only.
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n300ApsW40w "Trump’s SALIVA FILLED RANT Leaves Elon Musk GAGGING" published by Adam Mockler, August 12, 2024
Adam Mockler with MeidasTouch breaks down Donald Trump being interviewed by Elon Musk live.
1. @ddaa502, August 12, 2024 "I told Vladimir Putin things and he said "no way"
And I said "way" "
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2. @JustJessee, August 12, 2024 ""And he said 'no way!' and I said 'Way!'" WTF, was Trump having a tiff with his boyfriend in Beverly Hills High in 1987 or was he supposedly speaking with Putin?"
** 3, @sheHerTheyThem, August 12, 2024 "Trump and Putin,picture it, sitting around, braiding each other's hair, having this conversation.. looking at "Teen Beat" magazine, fawning over cute boys, painting their nails, talking sh!t about other people, giggling, staying up late . Looking at Victoria Secrets catalogue and dreaming about when they too reach puberty ..and Elon Musk only wishes he was invited to the slumber party "
** 4. @iamdeannadeanna, August 12, 2024 "The way he is either drooling, speaking without dentures, on Rudy's meds, or something is literally making gag. It's so distracting. "He said no way and I said way" "
** 5. @blufaerie, August 13, 2024 "He said, ‘No way,’ and I said, ‘Way.’” WHAT?!?"
** 6. @DK-bz9su, August 13, 2024 "It's hard to believe Putin would say "no way" OMG, 2 narcissists trying to say something that they think is sane "

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