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Showing posts with label children's camp songs. Show all posts
Showing posts with label children's camp songs. Show all posts

Friday, August 1, 2025

The Origin Of The "Boom Chicka Boom" Children's Camp Song (With Three YouTube Videos Of That Song)


TheLearningStation - Kids Songs and Nursery Rhymes

Mar 30, 2018  #thelearningstation #actionsongs #brainbreaks

" “Boom Chicka Boom” Popular Action Songs for Kids, Brain Breaks Song for Kids and Camp Song for Kids: #1 Best kids songs for children! “Boom Chicka Boom” is on the CD, "#1 Best Kid's Songs!”."...  

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II of a four part pancocojams series on the American children's camp song "Boom Chicka Boom" (also known as "I Said A Boom Chicka Boom".

This post showcases three YouTube videos of the  "Boom Chicka Boom" repeat-after-me children's camp song. This post also presents information about the origin of that camp song.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2025/08/three-songs-with-title-boom-chicka-boom.html 
for Part I of this pancocojams series. That post presents information about three songs other than the repeat-after-me children's camp song "Boom Chicka Boom" that have that title or a similar title. 

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2025/08/some-examples-of-childrens-recreational.html for Part III of this pancocojams series.  That post presents a compilation of children's recreational rhymes or cheers that include the phrase "boom chicka boom" or a very similar phrase. 

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2025/08/information-about-boom-chick-boom.html for Part IV of this pancocojams series. That post presents information about the  instrumental music pattern known as "boom chick boom".

The content of this post is presented for historical, cultural, entertainment, and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all the composers of these songs and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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SHOWCASE VIDEO #2- Boom Chicka Boom Song

GoNoodle | Get Moving

Apr 19, 2019  #gonoodle #moosetube #sillysongsforkids

Join Moose Fabio and the Moose Tube crew for this super-fun call and repeat dance favorite kids of all ages can enjoy!

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SHOWCASE VIDEO #3 - Boom Chicka Boom! | Jack Hartmann

Jack Hartmann Kids Music Channel, Aug 3, 2021

Boom Chicka Boom by Jack Hartmann is an old favorite with new movements and characters. Boom Chicka Boom is an interactive music and movement song. Repeat after me song.  Fun dance song for kids. Boom Chicka Boom is a fun brain breaks song.  Boom Chicka Boom with Jack Hartmann. Jack Hartmann brain breaks song.

Boom Chicka Boom 

Words and Music by Jack Hartmann, MA, BMI  Copyright 2015
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The lyrics for this version of "Boom Chicka Boom" are given in the summary of that video.

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THE ORIGIN OF "BOOM CHICKA BOOM" CAMP SONGS (ALSO KNOWN AS "I SAID A BOOM CHICKA BOOM)


 Here's the AI Overview result for my question on July 31, 2025 "Who was the first person to record “I said a boom chicka boom” in which verses have different singing styles?"

AI Overview
"The campfire song "I said boom chicka boom" with different singing styles in verses doesn't have a single, definitive first recorded version or a specific person credited with creating the style variations. It's a traditional chant often used for group singing and incorporates various creative interpretations.

Key points about the origin and evolution

No known recording by a single artist The song doesn't appear to be one that was initially recorded and then adapted into a campfire staple.

Origin as a group activity It's most commonly learned and shared in settings like camps and youth groups, where leaders introduce and encourage different vocal styles for each verse.

Commonly cited variations Different singing styles often accompany the repeated lines, such as underwater, loud, slow, opera, valley girl, and even animal sounds.

Therefore, there is no single "first person" to record the song with these variations. Its nature is more about group participation and improvisational interpretation of singing styles, rather than a single, formally recorded musical piece."

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Here's the AI results for my follow up question on July 31, 2025: "Okay. When was the earliest online documentation of “ I said boom chicka boom” being sung as group activity?"

AI Overview

"I said boom chicka boom" has been used as a group activity for many decades, likely as a campfire or camp song.

Online Documentation

One source claims to have written a cheerleading song similar to "I said boom chicka boom" in 1966. The song was then introduced at a children's camp and later at a family camp gathering. While this isn't the earliest documentation, it shows the song's use in group activities (cheerleading and camp songs) before 2009, when a blog post discussed the song.

Evolution and Online Presence

The song has evolved, with various styles and lyric variations.

The phrase appears in online resources related to campfire songs, children's music, and educational activities.

Some sources suggest a possible connection to Boy Scout and Cub Scout programs.

A children's book and song exist with the title "Chicka Chicka Boom Boom".

YouTube videos showing group performances of "Boom Chicka Boom" date back to 2011.

Some sources suggest a possible connection to the song "Chicka Boom" by Bob Merrill, published in 1953, according to Wikipedia.

Another interpretation of "Boom Chicka Boom" is the sound Johnny Cash's backing band was said to produce.

Although pinpointing the earliest online documentation is difficult, the song's presence in various online discussions about group activities and songs suggests it has circulated online for over a decade."

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THE PROBABLE ONLINE SOURCE THAT WAS ALLUDED TO IN THAT AI OVERVIEW ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF THE CAMP SONG "BOOM CHICKA BOOM" 

.https://campsongs.wordpress.com/2012/05/03/boom-chicka-boom/ "Boom Chicka Boom" Camp Song
by Douglas Sloane, October 3, 2017
"No joke, I wrote this cheer in 1966 when I was Head Yell Leader at U. S. Grant High School in Van Nuys, California. As originally written, the cheer started as Racka-Chicka-Boom. Following graduation, I worked for the summer at Stanley Ranch, a Woodcraft Rangers organization camp for kids, and introduced Racka-Chicka-Boom around a campfire. A number of years later, I sang it at a family Y camp gathering. Since then, I have seen the evolution of the lyrics, but the basic call and response, repeated 3 times, has remained the same. I do want to note that between each verse there is a bridge which makes it specific to the school or camp or whatever. For example, originally the first bridge is: (still call and response)

I said a riff raff row

I said a riff raff ree

U. S. Grant ( or Stanley Ranch or Family Y Camp)

Have mercy

A-ha

O yea

One more time

One more time

 

So long as the last word of the second line (ree) rhymes with the last word of the fourth line (mercy), you can make up anything (rile = moving in style; or rests = you’re the best) and so on. Fresh ground for more creative versions of Racka Chicka Boom or, as it has evolved to, Boom Chicka Boom."

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Three OTHER Songs With The Title "Boom Chicka Boom" Or Similar Titles (Not The Repeat After Me Children's Camp Song)

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part I of a four part pancocojams series on the American children's camp song "Boom Chicka Boom" (also known as "I Said A Boom Chicka Boom".

This post presents information about three songs other than the repeat-after-me children's camp song "Boom Chicka Boom" that have that title or a similar title.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2025/08/the-origin-of-boom-chicka-boom.html for Part II of this pancocojams post. That post showcases three YouTube videos of the  "Boom Chicka Boom" repeat-after-me children's camp song. This post also presents information about the origin of that camp song.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2025/08/some-examples-of-childrens-recreational.html for Part III of this pancocojams series.  That post presents a compilation of children's recreational rhymes or cheers that include the phrase "boom chicka boom" or a very similar phrase. 

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2025/08/information-about-boom-chick-boom.html for Part IV of this pancocojams series. That post presents information about the  instrumental music pattern known as "boom chick boom".

The content of this post is presented for historical, cultural, entertainment, and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all the composers of these songs and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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INFORMATION ABOUT THREE SONGS THAT HAVE THE TITLE "BOOM CHICKA BOOM" OR OTHER SIMILAR TITLES OTHER THAN THE REPEAT- AFTER- ME CHILDREN'S CAMP SONG
Information about these compositions are given in chronological order with information about the oldest example given first.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicka_Boom
" "Chicka Boom" is a popular song written by Bob Merrill. The song was published in 1953 and appeared in the 1953 film, Those Redheads From Seattle.

This was one of a number of Merrill's songs recorded by Guy Mitchell which were hits for him in 1953. The song went to number 16 on the Cashbox charts in August 1953, staying there for 13 weeks. The song went to number 4 on the UK Singles Chart in November 1953, staying there for 15 weeks.[1]"...

Chicka-Boom · Guy Mitchell



Guy Mitchell - Topic, May 19, 2015

Provided to YouTube by Legacy/Columbia 

℗ Originally Released 1953 Sony Music Entertainment Inc.

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Partial lyrics from  https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/guymitchell/chickaboom.html
..."Chicka-boom, chicka-rack
Chicka-boom, chicka-rack
Chicka-boom, chicka-rack, she's singin'
Her shooes paddy-wack in front and the back
And her yellow curls go swingin'
Bells just rang, bo-o-o-ing
My eyes lit up and my heart went bang
Her shoes paddy-wack in the front and the back
Chicka-boom, chicka-racky-boom"...

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2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-A-Boom_(Don%27t_Ya_Jes%27_Love_It)
"Chick-A-Boom (Don't Ya Jes' Love It)" is a song written by Janice Lee Gwin and Linda Martin and performed by Daddy Dewdrop. It was featured on his 1971 album, Daddy Dewdrop.[2] The lyrics in the verses are spoken, rather than sung.

"Chick-A-Boom" reached number nine on the U.S. Billboard pop chart in 1971.[3] It also reached number five on the Cash Box Top 100.[4]

It was produced by Dick Monda and Don Sciarrotta.[5] Monda produced music for the 1970-71 Filmation animated television series Groovie Goolies, for which the song was originally written and recorded.[6] That version was by the "Rolling Headstones" and was a parody of the Rolling Stones "Girl with the Faraway Eyes." The song makes a reference to Little Richard's "Tutti Frutti". The single ranked number 34 on Billboard's Year-End Hot 100 singles of 1971.[7]"...

Daddy Dewdrop - Chick-A-Boom (Don't Ya Jes' Love It) - 45 RPM



WABCRADIO77, Feb 3, 2010  #105

Original Sunflower Records #105

Debut 3/6/1971 and peaked at #9 on the Billboard Hot 100 Chart.

[...]

This is the ORIGINAL MONO MIX as heard when this was a hit on AM radio!

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Partial lyrics from https://genius.com/Daddy-dewdrop-chick-a-boom-dont-ya-jes-love-it-lyrics
"Last night I had a crazy dream
About a chick in a black bikini
Oh she looked so good she couldn't be real
So she must be a magic genie
But then she disappeared around a corner
All I saw were three doors and the top of her bikini
I made it through the first door there was a party going on
I asked about the chick but what they said was this

Chick-a-boom chick-a-boom don't ya jes' love it
Chick-a-boom chick-a-boom don't ya jes' love it
Chick-a-boom chick-a-boom don't ya jes' love it
Chick-a-boom chick-a-boom-boom-boom"...

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3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicka_Chicka_Boom_Boom
"Chicka Chicka Boom Boom is an American children's picture book written by Bill Martin, Jr. and John Archambault, illustrated by Lois Ehlert,[1] and published by Simon & Schuster in 1989. The book teaches the alphabet through rhyming couplets, and charted The New York Times Best Seller list for children's books in 2000.[2]

[…]

in 1992, Archambault released an album composed of several songs based on the storybook entitled Chicka Chicka Boom Boom and Other Coconutty Songs, along with musician David Plummer. It was named a 1992 "Notable Children's Recording American Library Association and in 1993, won a Parents' Choice Award.[11][12] Its main track was the title song Chicka Chicka Boom Boom which was the book's title.”…

Chicka Chicka Boom Boom


Jake Messenger, Jun 10, 2021  

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partial lyrics from https://genius.com/Crystal-taliefero-chicka-chicka-boom-boom-lyrics
"Chicka chicka boom boom!
Chicka chicka boom boom!
Chicka chicka boom boom!
Chicka chicka boom boom!
Chicka chicka boom boom!

A told B, and B told C

"I'll meet you at the top of the coconut tree!"

"Whee!" said D, to E, F, G

"I’ll beat you to the top of the coconut tree!

"Whee!" said D, to E, F, G
"I’ll beat you to the top of the coconut tree!"

Chicka chicka boom boom!

Will there be enough room?"....

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Wednesday, November 20, 2024

"She's My One Black, Two Black" Songs (Complete Reprint Of Comments From The Discussion Thread For The 2012 Pancocojams Post-#27 - #50)

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part III of a three part series on versions of "She's My One Black, Two Black" song. "She's My One Black, Two Black" songs have their source in the 1928 Blues song "Chocolate To The Bone".

This post 
reprints comments  #27- #50 of the comments that were published in the discussion thread for the  2012 pancocojams post "Examples of & Comments About The Song And Rhyme "She's My One Black, Two Black". Most of those comments include examples of that "She's My One Black, Two Black" song.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/11/shes-my-one-black-two-black-complete.html for Part I of that pancocojams post. That post presents a complete reprint of the 2012 pancocojams post with the title "Examples of & Comments About The Song And Rhyme "She's My One Black, Two Black".

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/11/shes-my-one-black-two-black-complete_20.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. That post presents #1-#26 of the comments that were published for that 2012 pancocojams post. Most of those comments include examples of the "She's My One Black Two Black" song.  

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Thanks also to all these who are quoted in this post. 

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COMPLETE REPRINT OF COMMENTS FROM THE 2012 PANCOCOJAMS POST FROM #27-#50
These comments are reprinted as they appear in the discussion thread for the 2012 pancocojams post entitled "Examples of & Comments About The Song And Rhyme "She's My One Black, Two Black"."

I wrote most of the replies and a few of the other comments. My comments are given "as is" with no spelling or punctuation corrections and no additions.

Numbers are added for all of these comments for references purposes only.

As of this date (Nov. 20, 2024), if there are any more comments published to the discussion thread of that 2012 pancocojams post, I will reprint them in the comment section for this 2024 post.
 

27. 
UnknownJanuary 7, 2016 at 3:26 PM
"I just found this thread while trying to find out the original lyrics. I'm no more sure now that I was when I started. I learned the song from my grandfather, the son of Irish immigrants from the Detroit area. It was always added to the end of I've Been Working on the Railroad with the version given by Anna on 12/14/13. Being Caucasian, I was always afraid to be called a racist for even knowing the lyrics, but it was so catchy. It was never sung with malice, but only ever by my grandfather, an Episcopal priest with a big bellowing voice. I'm glad to have stumbled upon this blog."

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28. Azizi Powell. January 7, 2016 at 8:12 PM
"Greetings, Michael Gass. I'm glad you found this blog!

Thanks for sharing your memories about this song and thanks for including demographical information. It's interesting that the song "She's My One Black" was added to the end of "I've Been Working On The Railroad". I'm not sure what the origin of that "...Railroad" song is, but I believe it's old."

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29. 
Wim, March 21, 2016 at 5:50 PM
"The version I learned (mid-1950's, east Tennessee, white, Scots-Irish, German, AmerIndian) was the same as Anna's, except for the line, " If you see my gal, walkin down the street, boy, you better leave her alone!" I heard it sung by adults (I was a child) as a sort of drinking song. A medley, with "Railroad," "Dinah, Won'tcha Blow," "Someone's Inna Kitchen With Dinah", "Fee, Fi, Fiddly Eye Oh," and ending with "One Black, Two Black." I have often wondered if it were a show-tune, maybe from a musical, Broadway, Vaudeville, etc. Just a guess. They're all dead, now. No one left to ask."

I don't think that "She's My One Black" is a racist song. On the contrary, the lyrics praise a woman who is "chocolate to the bone". Yet, I can understand your concern about how some people who are Black and/or some people who aren't Black could misunderstand the lyrics to this song and also misjudge people who sing this song in public.

Best wishes!"

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30. Azizi Powell, March 21, 2016 at 7:00 PM
Wim, you win the commenting prize for demographical information. Thanks!!

The combination of songs that were sung with "One Black Two Black" sounds like that might have been "a musical, Broadway, Vaudeville,". We may never know- unless someone else remembers this and shares that information.

Here's hoping...

Thanks again!!"

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31. Azizi Powell, March 21, 2016 at 7:07 PM
"PS: I know "Wim you win" is really corny, but, hey I can't help being me :o)"

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32. Diane, August 28, 2016 at 8:07 PM
"I learned a very similar string of songs as Wim described from my parents when we sang songs on road trips in the late 1950s and early 60s. My father has died but my mom says he was the one who introduced it to us and she thinks he learned it in Lutheran high school or Lutheran college or possibly at camp. He was white, German heritage, born in 1931 and raised and went to both schools in the Chicago area.

His version started with the Railroad song that included Dinah Wontcha Blow, Someones in the Kitchen with Dinah and Fee,Fi, Fiddly Eyoh. Then he would continue:


Now you may think that there aint no more.

Now you may think that there aint no more.

Now you may think that htere aint no more.

Well there aint!

(LONG PAUSE)

But there is!

She's my one black, two black, eyes like a shoeblack

Chocolate to the bone.

Hair like a Jezebel, teeth like pearls,

Mama Moses, she's some girl!

She's my one black two black, eyes like a shoeblack,

chocolate to the bone.

(very slow) You better leave her alone!

 

When he would sing it to me he would change "Dinah" to "Diane" (my name) and implied that the girl with the dark tan was Diane, too. Even though my eyes were actually blue it made me feel like he was telling all the boys not to mess with his beautiful and wild daughter!"

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33. Azizi Powell, August 29, 2016 at 10:51 AM
"Hi, Diane!

Thanks for sharing your memories of your father and those songs.

I appreciate your inclusion of demographics (years, race, and city, state) for the folkloric record.

The "one black, two black" song may be more widely remembered than I thought."

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Reply [Written on November 20, 2024- Pancocojams Editor's Note: Part of this is a reprint from comment #34, as if I didn't realize I had already replied to Diane.] 

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34.Azizi Powell, August 29, 2016 at 11:31 AM
"Hi, Diane!

 Thanks for sharing your memories of your father and those songs.

 I appreciate your inclusion of demographics (years, race, and city, state) for the folkloric record.

The "one black, two black" song may be more widely remembered than I thought. And that fact that a number of people from different locations were taught "One Black Two Black" as a medley, with "Railroad," "Dinah, Won'tcha Blow," "Someone's Inna Kitchen With Dinah", "Fee, Fi, Fiddly Eye Oh" suggests that it probably was (as commenter Wim guessed) "a show-tune, maybe from a musical, Broadway, Vaudeville, etc."

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35. Anonymous, March 28, 2018 at 9:51 AM
"I learned this song at a summer camp when I was 11 or 12. A female, white counselor around 18 yrs old taught it to us. I don't think she realized the meaning, and I didn't realize it until now because I wanted to find the title of the song. Her version went like this

"I've got a one black

Two black

Eyes like a true black

Chocolate to the bone

If you see that cow walking down the street

You better leave that cow alone

She's got eyes like a Jezebel, teeth like a pearl

Gosh, oh gee, she's out of this world

She's a one black

Two black

Eyes like a shoe black

Chocolate to the bone"

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36. Anonymous,March 28, 2018 at 10:05 AM
"As I was reading the above comments, I saw a verse that went

"Harmony, my baby harmony

first thing you do is you get 4 boys

next thing you do is you make a lot of noise

Harmony, my baby harmony

This is harmony, my baby harmony...yeah"

And I remember this (or some variation of this) added to the end of the song. As a kid, I thought she was talking about an actual cow and I had no idea what four boys would've helped with. I still don't really understand what the four boys part was about."

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37. Azizi Powell, March 28, 2018 at 12:24 PM
"Hello, Anonymous March 28, 2018 at 9:51 AM

Thanks for sharing that version of "She's my one black" and including how you learned it.

I learned the "She's My One Black" song from reading about it online, but it might be more widely known in the USA then I had originally thought.


Anonymous March 28, 2018 at 10:05 AM
If I understand you correctly, you read an example of the "Harmony, my baby harmony" verse that was added to the end of the "She's my one Black" song.

I think this addition is risque and isn't really pertinent to that focused song itself.

Thanks again for commenting!"

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38. Katie Simons, January 4, 2021 at 2:43 PM
"My mother used to sing this song -- she learned it at church camp in Indiana in the 1940s. She sang:

 
"One black, Two black, Blacker than shoe black

Chocolate to the Bone...

If you see that gal of mine, won't you tell her to come home?

She's got hair like a raven and teeth like a pearl

O Land's Sake, what a Beautiful girl!

One Black, Two Black, Blacker than Shoe Black,

Chocolate to the Bone."

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Katie Simons, January 4, 2021 at 2:44 PM
"The tune she sang was NOT the same as other folk songs mentioned. it was more like doo wop."

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40. Azizi Powell, January 4, 2021 at 5:06 PM
"Katie Simons, thanks for sharing the example of "One Black, Two Black" that your mother taught you.

Thanks for also including demographic information about that example.

It seems that "One Black Two Black" used to be a rather commonly sung song."

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41. 
Anonymous, July 10, 2022 at 9:21 AM
"Katie Simons version is the same version my grandmother and mother sang except "chocolate to the bone, bone, bone, bone"."

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42. Azizi Powell, July 10, 2022 at 10:18 AM
"Thanks for your comment Anonymous.

I appreciate it."

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43. Anonymous, October 18, 2022 at 12:43 AM
"We learned the version that Laura offered in January 2014. We learned it at a predominantly white YWCA camp in Southern California in the late ‘60s/early ‘70s."

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44. 
Azizi Powell, October 18, 2022 at 8:37 AM
"Hello, Anonymous.

Thank you for sharing your memories of a version of "She's My One Black, Two Black" and thanks for adding demographic information for the folkloric record abou this song.

Best wishes!"

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45. Anonymous, November 7, 2023 at 3:38 PM
"My dad, born in the early 1920’s, sang this as a refrain/bridge in the middle of I’ve been workin’ on the railroad during my childhood in the 60’s & 70’s.


She’s my one, black, my two black

Honest goodness shoe black

Chocolate to the bone

Now if you see my gal a-walkin’ down the street

You better leave my gal alone

She’s got hair like a Jezebel

Teeth like a pearl

I’m tellin’ you boys she’s a gift to this world

She’s my one black, my two black

My honest goodness shoe black

Chocolate to the bone."

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46. Azizi Powell, November 7, 2023 at 8:59 PM
"Hello, Anonymous. Thanks for adding to the collection of folkloric record of examples and anecdotes about the She's My :One Black Two Black song". please add to note by sharing where you lived (city, state. nation if outside of the USA).and and racial information (your father's race). Also you wrote that he sang this in the middle of "I've been working on the railroad" song. Did he return to that song after singing the 'Chocolate to the bone" line?"

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47. Chuck, June 23, 2024 at 2:11 AM
"I also learned this song at YMCA camp in the mid 1960's. Our version was:

One black Two black eyes like shoe black

Chocolate to the bone

She's got eyes like a jezzabelle, teeth like a pearl

Gosh o gee she's a gift to this world

She's got One black Two black eyes like shoe black

Chocolate to the bone

Harmony, my baby harmony

first thing you do is you get 4 boys

next thing you do is you make a lot of noise

Harmony, my baby harmony

This is harmony, my baby harmony...yeah!"

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48. Azizi Powell, June 24, 2024 at 9:01 AM
"Hello, Chuck. Thanks for adding the version of "One Black Two Black: that you remember from the mid 1960s to this collection. I hadn't come across that version before.

It took me a while, but I finally guessed that "jezzabelle" is a respelling of the female Biblical Old Testament princess Jezebel.

Also, I wonder if the "Harmony, my baby harmony" verse in this example comes from a different rhyme. I've never come upon it before.

Best wishes!"

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49. Chuck, June 25, 2024 at 4:18 PM
"The spelling for jezzabelle came from my spell checker. I didn't have a clue how to spell it. I never saw the song written down. This was our favorite campfire song at Y camp.

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50. 
Azizi Powell, June 25, 2024 at 8:32 PM
"Hey, Chuck. thanks again for adding more info about this rhyme/song.

I think that spell checker got it wrong and "Jezebel" is the correct spelling fort hat female name. Here's an excerpt from an online page about the Biblical Queen "Jezebel":

https://study.com/academy/lesson/who-was-jezebel-biblical-story-characteristics-death.html
"Who was Jezebel's husband?

In the Jezebel Bible story, Jezebel's husband was King Ahab, the seventh King of the Northern Kingdom of Israel. Both Jezebel and her husband worshiped the Canaanite storm god Ba'al, which was why they were portrayed unfavorably in the Book of Kings.

What did Jezebel do in the Bible?

In the Jezebel Bible story, Jezebel was infamous for several things: persecuting the prophets of Yahweh, instituting worship of Ba'al in Israel, trying to have the prophet Elijah killed, and framing and executing Naboth to get his vineyard."

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Monday, August 21, 2023

Examples of "Whipper Whopper" Versions Of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" ("Roaches & Bedbugs") Songs/Rhymes"



Troop 64262, Sept. 14, 2019
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The lyrics for this version of that song is presented as Source #3 below.


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Edited by Azizi Powell This is Part II of a two part pancocojams series on the "Eenie Meenie Miney Moe" sub-set of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" ("Roaches & Bedbugs") songs. That sub-set includes the words "Eenie meenie miney moe/catch a whipper whopper by his toes" etc. (or similarly spelled words). This post presents examples of the "Eenie Meenie Miney Moe" sub-set of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" ("Roaches * Bedbugs") songs.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/08/what-whipper-whopper-means-in-i-woke-up.html for Part I of a pancocojams series on the "Eenie Meenie Miney Moe" sub-set of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" ("Roaches & Bedbugs") songs. That sub-set consist of examples of those song/rhymes that include the words "Eenie Meenie miney moe/catch a whipper whopper by his toes" (or similarly spelled words).
That post presents the results of my online research about that sub-set of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning"(Roaches & Bedbugs") songs/rhymes. The content of this post is presented for folkloric, socio-cultural, and recreational purposes. All copyrights belongs with their owners. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the two Girl Scouts who are featured in this video and thanks to the publisher of that video on YouTube. -snip-
Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/05/versions-of-eenie-meenie-miney-mo.html for the 2021 pancocojams post entitled "
Examples Of "Eenie Meenie Miney Mo" Counting Out Rhymes In The United States".
Also, click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/08/i-woke-up-sunday-morning-roaches-and.html for the 2023 pancocojams post entitled "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" ("Roaches and Bedbugs") Rhymes With Demographic Information".

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A FEW EXAMPLES OF THESE SONGS/RHYMES
These examples are given in no particular order and are numbered for references purposes only.

The "eenie meenie miney moe/whipper whopper" etc. words (or similar forms of those words) are given in italics for highlighting purposes only.

Source #1
From
 http://rolandanderson.se/bedbugs.php *
"
CATCH A WIFFER WOFFER

Oh, I'm walkin' round the corner
Doing little harm
Along comes a policeman
And grabs me by the arm

Oh, he walks me round the corner
Rings a little bell
Along comes a wagon
And knocks me in a cell

I'm singin' eenie meenie and a miney moh
Catch a wiffer woffer by the toe
And if it hollers, hollers, hollers,
Let it go, I'm singin' Eenie meenie and a miney moh
 

Oh, five o'clock in the morning
I looked up on the wall --
The roaches and the bedbugs
Were having a game of ball

Oh, the score was six to nothing
The roaches were ahead --
The bedbugs hit a home run
And knocked me out of bed

I'm singin' eenie meenie and a miney moh,
Catch a wiffer woffer by the toe
And if it hollers, hollers, hollers,
Let it go, I'm singin' Eenie meenie and a miney moh

Oh, six o'clock in the morning
The jailer comes around
A piece of bread and coffee
That weighs a half a pound

Oh, the coffee tastes like tobacco juice
The bread is hard and stale
But that's the way they treat the bums
In New York County Jail

I'm singin' eenie meenie and a miney moh,
Catch a wiffer woffer by the toe
And if it hollers, hollers, hollers,
Let it go, I'm singin' Eenie meenie and a miney moh

I went downtown for breakfast
I ordered ham and eggs
I ate so many pickles
The juice ran down my legs

I fell into a sewer
And that is where I died
They did not call it murder --
They called it sewer-cide

I'm singin' eenie meenie and a miney moh,
Catch a wiffer woffer by the toe
And if it hollers, hollers, hollers,
Let it go, I'm singin' Eenie meenie and a miney moh
-snip-
This is one of several examples of "IWoke Up Sunday Morning" that are found in the online book Bald Mountain Childhood. That book was written by Roland Anderson (no publishing date given) and is "Centered around Mary Pawlak, this is an autobiographic, biographic and historical description of growing up in a Carpatho-Rusyn family on Bald Mountain near Wilkes-Barre Pennsylvania during the 1920's and 30's"...
http://rolandanderson.se/marymenu.php

Roland Anderson, Mary Pawlak's son, writes that the examples of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" that are included in that book are similar to the rhymes that Mary chanted. As I interpret that statement, the term "whipper whopper" or similarly spelled words weren't necessarily included in the versions of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" that Mary Pawlak chanted in the 1920s -1930s. My guess is that the "Eenie Meenie Miney Moe"/"whipper whopper" sub-set of those rhymes weren't composed until the 1950s (Read Part ! of this pancocojams series whose link is given above.).

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Source #2
From http://www.geocities.ws/chadsmascout/THEWHIPPERWHOPPERSONG1.htm
"THE WHIPPER WHOPPER SONG:

1: I woke up Sunday morning and looked upon a wall,
The Skeeters and the Bedbugs were playing a game of ball,

CHORUS
Singing eener, meener, and a minor moe,  
Catch a Whipper Whopper by the toe, 
And if it hollers, hollers, 
Don’t ever let it go, 
Singing eener, meener, and a minor moe: 

2: I went downstairs to breakfast and ordered ham and egg.
I ate so many pickles; the juice ran down my leg,

CHORUS:

3: I went into the bathroom, and I sat on the pot,
I didn’t think I had to go but I had to go a lot’

CHORUS:

4: I went back to my bedroom, to see what was the score
The Skeeters made a home run, and won it 6 to 4.

CHORUS

5: My father was a Martian; my mother is a spy,
And I am such a loud mouth, I joined the FBI.

CHORUS:"

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Source #3
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBuO7AVvAF8 [This is the YouTube video that is embedded in this pancocojams post.]

Whipper Whopper

I woke up sunday morning
I looked up on the wall
The beatles [beetles] and the bed bugs were having a game of ball

The score was six to nothing the beatles were ahead
The bed bugs scored a home run
And knocked me out of bed

(chorus)

I’m singing Enemy [Eenie] and a miney mo mo mo mo
Catch a whipper whopper by the toe
And if he hollers hollers hollers let him go
I’m singing enemy and a miny mo

I went downstairs to breakfast
I ordered ham and eggs
I ate so many eggs they all ran down my leg

(chorus)

I went outside to play
I looked up in the sky
I saw a little blue bird
Who poo-pooed in my eye

(chorus)

My mother is a banker
My father is a spy
And I’m the little big mouth who told the FBI

(chorus)

I made myself a snowball
as perfect as can be
I thought I’d keep it as a pet
And let it sleep with me

I made him some pajamas
A pillow for his head
But then last night it ran away
But first it wet the bed

(chorus)

I have myself a turtle
His name is Tiny Tim
I  put him in the bathtub
To see if he could swim

He drank up all water
He ate up all the soap
He tried to eat the bathtub
So I showed it down his throat

(chorus)" 

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Source #4
From https://www.allthelyrics.com/lyrics/childrens_songs/eenie_meenie-lyrics-1138582.html Children's Songs/Eenie Meenie Lyrics

"On a personal note, I remember singing this song on the way to camp many summers as a camper. I don’t remember all of the words to the other verses, but this song will always remind me of the anticipation in the last moments before a week at camp. -Larken

I woke up Sunday morning
And looked up on the wall
The cooties and the bedbugs
Were having a game of ball.

The score was six-to-nothing,
The cooties were ahead.
The cooties hit a home run
And knocked me out of bed!

[Chorus]

I'm singin
Eenie meenie and a-miny-mo
Boom boom boom
Catch a whifferwhaffer by the toe
Boom boom boom
And if he holler hollers let him go
Boom boom boom
Eenie-meenie and a-miny-mo

My father gave me a nickel
My mother gave me a dime
My sister has a boyfriend
Who looks like Frankenstein

[Chorus]

My father is a lawyer,
My mother is a spy
Me and my big mouth
I told thee FBI!

[Chorus]

I went downstairs for breakfast
I ordered ham and eggs
I ate so many eggs
That the yolk ran down my leg

[Chorus]

I went into the sewer
And that is how I died
They didn't call it murder
They called it "sewer-side!"

-Submitted by Guest"

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Source #5
From 
https://kilowan.wordpress.com/2006/09/02/skeeters-and-the-bed-bugs/ September 2, 2006, Skeeters and the Bed Bugs

I woke up Sunday morning
And looked up on the wall
The skeeters and the bedbugs
Were playing a game of ball

The score was ten to nothing
The skeeters were a head
The bed bugs hit a home run
And knocked me out of bed

Singing eenie meenie and a miney moe
Catch a whipper whopper by his toe
And if he hollers, hollers, hollers
Don’t let him go
Singing eenie, meenie and a miney moe."

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Source #6
From 
https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=312, "Roaches and Bedbugs?", GUEST,Just me, 04 Dec 19, 

"Learned this in California early 80's in kindergarten.

I woke up Sunday morning I looked up on the wall,
The beetles and the bedbugs were having a game of ball,
The score was 6 to nothing, the beetles were ahead
The bedbugs got a homerun, they knocked me outta bed,

I'm singin' eenie meenie and a miny moe, moe, moe, moe
Catch a wiffer waffer by the toe and if he hollers, hollers, hollers
Let him go I'm singing, eenie meenie and a miny moe."

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Source #7
From http://dragon.sleepdeprived.ca/songbook/songs5/S5_79.htm

The Whipper Whopper Song (Eener Meener)

Thanks to Sue Moore for posting this song to the WAGGGS-L Mailing List!

I woke up Sunday morning,
I looked up on the wall,
The beetles and the bedbugs
Were playing a game of ball.

The score was 6 to nothing,
The beetles were ahead,
The bedbugs hit a homerun
And knocked me out of bed.

Chorus:

I'm singing - Eeny meeny and a miney mo, mo, mo, mo
Catch a Whipper Whopper by his toe,
And if he HOLLERS, HOLLERS, HOLLERS, let him go.
I'm singing - Eeny meeny and a miney mo, mo, mo, mo

I went downstairs for breakfast,
I ordered ham and eggs,
I ate so many eggs
The ham ran down my legs.

I went outside to play,
I looked up in the sky,
I saw a little bluebird,
It poo-pooed in my eye.

My mother is a butcher,
My dad's a side of beef
And I'm the little hot dog
That runs around the street.

My father is a crook,
My mother is a spy,
And I'm the little big-mouth
That told the FBI.

I fell into the sewer,
And this is where I'll die,
Some people call it suicide,
I call it sewer-cide.

(Note: you should use discretion when singing the last verse as many people could consider it quite offensive.) "

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This concludes Part II of this two part pancocojams series.

Thanks for visiting pancocojams.

Visitor comments are welcome.
 

  

 

 


What "Whipper Whopper" Means In "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" ("Roaches & Bedbugs") Songs/Rhymes

Edited by Azizi Powell This is Part I of a pancocojams series on the "Eenie Meenie Miney Moe" sub-set of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" ("Roaches & Bedbugs") songs. That sub-set includes the words "Eenie meenie miney moe/catch a whipper whopper by his toes" (or similarly spelled words). This post presents the results of my online research about that sub-set of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning"(Roaches & Bedbugs") songs/rhymes. Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/08/examples-of-whipper-whopper-forms-of-i.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. That post presents examples of a sub-set of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" ("Roaches & Bedbugs") songs/rhymes that include the words "Eenie Meenie miney moe/catch a whipper whopper by his toes" (or similarly spelled words). The content of this post is presented for folkloric, socio-cultural, recreational, and linguistic purposes. All copyrights belongs with their owners. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. -snip-
Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/05/versions-of-eenie-meenie-miney-mo.html for the 2021 pancocojams post entitled "
Examples Of "Eenie Meenie Miney Mo" Counting Out Rhymes In The United States".
Also, click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/08/i-woke-up-sunday-morning-roaches-and.html for the 2023 pancocojams post entitled "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" ("Roaches and Bedbugs") Rhymes With Demographic Information".
**** PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE Although the pancocojams blog focuses on Black cultures in the United States and elsewhere around the world, all of the examples of children's rhymes, songs, and cheers may not have originated with Black people. I focus on children's recreational rhymes, songs, and cheers because I enjoy those compositions and I want to document, share, and study those compositions. **** MY FINDINGS, CONCLUSIONS, AND SPECULATIONS ABOUT THESE SONGS

Here are my findings and conclusions about these songs:
1. "I Woke Of Sunday Morning" ("Roaches & Bed Bugs") songs/rhymes/songs are a relatively large family of folk compositions that have been found in the United States since at least the early 1900s. ** 2. A small sub-set of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" ("Roaches & Bed Bugs")songs/rhymes include the words "I'm singing eenie meenie miney moe/catch a whipper whopper by the toe/if he hollers let him go (or "don't let him go")/eenie meenie miney moe".
** 3. "Whipper whopper" is by far the most often used form of this compound noun (referent). Other forms that I have come across are "wiffer woffer","wiffer waffer", and whifferwhaffer". I also have come across one example of that song that includes the line "catch a whippersnapper by his toes". Smarky Marlarky (Indiana), Oct. 2, 2012, http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=286551

"Eenie meenie miney moe Miney moe, catch a whippersnapper by the toe And if he, if he hollers, hollers, let him go Singing eenie meenie meenie, miney moe" -end of quote-

That commenter shares a version of the "Eenie Meenie Miney Moe" counting out rhyme that he or she remembers from the 1950s (which includes the n word). However, no date was given in that comment for that version of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning"..
** 4. The examples of this sub-set that I found online of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" all have this same or very similar wording and structure that serves as the chorus (refrain) for those compositions: "I'm singin' eenie meenie and a miney moh
Catch a wiffer woffer by the toe
And if it hollers, hollers, hollers,
Let it go, I'm singin' Eenie meenie and a miney moh" ** 5. A number of the examples in this sub-set of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" ("Roaches & Bedbugs") songs have the words "eener meener" as a sub-title and/or as a preface to the "eenie meenie miney moe" refrain. I haven't come across the words "eener meener" elsewhere. ** 6.The "Eenie Meenie Miney Moe"/Whipper Whopper" sub-set of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" (Roaches & Bedbugs) has the same verse structure and floating verses as the much larger portion of that song/rhyme. Those floating verses can be found in certain other children's recreational rhymes, particularly in extended versions of "Miss Susie Had A Steamboat". Some versions of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" (with or without the "Eenie Meenie Miney Moe"/Whipper Whopper" chorus has the same verses as the children's recreational rhyme "Miss Lucy Had A Baby".  
** 7. I haven't found any online definition for the terms "whipper whopper" or "wiffer woffer" etc.
** 8. I haven't found any other forms of "Eenie Meenie Miney Moe" in "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" ("Roaches & Bed Bugs") songs/rhymes. For instance, there are no examples of "Catch a tiger by its toes" or "catch a piggy by its toes" in these "Eenie Meenie Miney Moe" forms of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" ("Roaches & Bed Bugs") songs/rhymes.
** 9. I haven't found any definitive date that the "Eenie Meenie Miney Mo" sub-set of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" was first chanted or sung, which means that I haven't found a definitive source for those songs/rhymes.
By "definitive source" I mean a particular record, or a television episode, newspaper article etc that introduced that wording into earlier versions of those rhymes/songs. I also haven't come across any definitions about what "whipper whopper" or "wiffer woffer" means.

** 10. Most examples of this sub-set of songs use the pronoun "his" instead of "its" for references to "Whipper Whopper" ("wiffer woffer" etc.), for instance, "catch a whipper whopper by his toes" instead of "by its toes". Therefore, in the examples of the songs that use the pronoun "his", the term "whipper whopper" (or a similarly spelled compound noun) refers to a man.

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Here are other speculations (guesses) I've made about this sub-set of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" ("Roaches &Bed Bugs") songs/rhymes: 1. My guess is what I call the "Whipper Whopper" sub-set of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" ("Roaches & Bedbugs" songs was first sung/chanted in the United States in the 1950s. The 1950s was the decade when some people in the United States began to substitute a word like "tiger", "monkey", "piggy" as a replacement for the "n word". That word had been sung in "Eenie Meenie Miney Moe" songs/rhymes since the late 19th century, but some White people finally began to acknowledge that it was pejorative. I believe that the intention of these replacement words in "Eenie Meenie Miney Moe" songs/rhymes wasn't to replace the "n word" with a socially acceptable way of saying the same thing, but to (at least publicly) move away from the use of that word that they acknowledged was pejorative. In the same way that the word "tiger", or "piggy", or "monkey" aren't usually perceived as a hidden way of saying "the n word" in "Eenie, Meenie, Miney, Moe" songs/rhymes, I don't think that the referent "whipper whopper" ("wiffer woffer") are a hidden or euphemistic way of "saying the n word". ** 2. My guess is that the word "whippersnapper" (meaning an impertinent young person) was used first and was later changed by folk processing to those other forms ("wiffer woffer", wiffer waffer" etc,) After the popularity of the Burger King "Whopper" menu item, those "wiffer woffer etc. were later changed by the folk process to "whipper whopper".

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3. My guess is that the word "whipper whopper" is the most often used form of the referent in the "Eenie Meeney Miney Moe" sub-set of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" ("Roaches & Bedbugs") songs/rhymes because of peoples' familiarity to the word "whopper" as a result of the Burger King fast food restaurant's "Whopper" hamburger. That menu item was introduced in 1957.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whopper "The Whopper is the signature hamburger and an associated product line sold by the international fast food restaurant chain Burger King and its Australian franchise Hungry Jack's. Introduced in 1957, the hamburger has undergone several reformulations, including changes to portion size and bread used. The hamburger is well known in the fast food industry, with Burger King advertising itself as "the Home of the Whopper" and naming itskiosk stores the BK Whopper Bar. In response to the Whopper, Burger King's competitors have developed similar products designed to compete against it."...

From https://www.britannica.com/topic/Burger-King-Corporation "A large hamburger called the Whopper is Burger King’s signature product. The Whopper was introduced in 1957, at a time when its competitor McDonald’s was still selling only small hamburgers."

** 4. My guess is that few people who sing or chant examples of these "Eenie Meenie Miney Moe" sub-set of "I Woke Up Sunday Morning" consider or care about what the words "whipper whopper" or other forms of those words mean. **** This concludes Part I of this two part pancocojams series. Thanks for visiting pancocojams. Visitor comments are welcome.

Thursday, October 27, 2022

How The Christian Song "There Were Three Jolly Fishermen" Became A "Naughty" Children's Song (with lyrics to the related song "Three Jews Came From Jerusalem")


RobertBadenPowell, Jan. 31, 2012

[...]

Lyrics:

Verse #1: There were three jolly fishermen,
There were three jolly fishermen, Fisher, fisher, MEN, MEN, MEN. Fisher, fisher, MEN, MEN, MEN. There weere three jolly fishermen. Verse #2 -The first one's name was Abraham, The first one's name was Abraham, Abra, Abra; ham ham, ham Abra, Abra; ham ham, ham The first one's name was Abraham. Verse- 3- The second one's name was I-I-saac, The second one's name was I-I-saac, I-I, I-I- zik, zik, zik I-I, I-I- zik, zik, zik The second one's name was I-I-saac. Verse #4- The third on'e name was Ja-a-cob, The third on'e name was Ja-a-cob, Ja-a, Ja-a; cub, cub, cub Ja-a, Ja-a; cub, cub, cub The third on'e name was Ja-a-cob.
-snip-
I added the word "verse" and numbers to the lyrics that were found in the summary for this sound file.

This version was recorded by American folk singer/actor Burl Ives. My guess is that Burl Ives' recording of the children's song "Three Jolly Fishermen" in the 1950s was what popularized this children's song in the United States.  However, I don't know the title of the 1950s Burl Ives album that this song was first featured on.  Please share that information if you know it. Thanks!

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Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest Update- Oct. 31, 2022

This pancocojams post showcases two YouTube sound files of the children's song "Three Jolly Fishermen" and documents how the lyrics to that song became "naughty". 

The Addendum to this post presents a link to a sound file of the (probably related song) "Three Jews Came From Jerusalem" (or similar titles). My transcription of that sound file is also included in that Addendum along with lyrics for the same or related song "Three Wandering Jews".

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, cultural, and entertainment purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are featured in these sound files and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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SHOWCASE SOUND FILE #2: Three Jolly Fishermen 



Wee Sing - Topic, Jun 7, 2018

℗ 2011 Early Bird Recordings. © 1997 by Pamela Conn Beall and Susan Hagen Nipp. Wee Sing ® of Penguin Group (USA) Inc. Released on: 2011-05-20 -snip- Here's my transcription of the lyrics that are sung in this sound file. Lyrics sung in this sound file:

Verses 1-4 [The same lyrics that are given in Lyrics #1 above]

Verse #5 They all sailed up to Jericho, They all sailed up to Jericho, Jer-i, Jer-i; cho, cho, cho, Jer-i Jer-i cho, cho, cho. They all sailed up to Jericho,

Verse #6 They should have gone to Amsterdam They should have gone to Amsterdam Amster, Amster, Shh! Shh! Shh!, Amster, Amster, Shh! Shh! Shh!

**** PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE The children's song "Three Jolly Fishermen" and the song "Three Jews Came From Jerusalem are probably adaptations of the sea song with that same title. The tune for that sea song* (as sung in this YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU*5gYc1uo) appears to me to be basically the same as that children's song, However, except for the title and the repeated first line "We are three jolly fishermen", the rest of the shanty's lyrics are different from those children's songs. -snip- If I understand it correctly, a sea song is a song that is sung for pleasure by sailors while a shanty is a work song that is sung by sailors. Here's the lyrics for a version of that traditional shanty as performed by John Greaves, Recorded in Harrogate on 28/01/2007

http://www.yorkshirefolksong.net/song.cfm?songID=82

Lead) We are three jolly fishermen,
(All) We are three jolly fishermen,
We are three jolly fishermen, while the merry,merry bells do ring.

(Lead) Make haste, make haste, (Chorus) You be too late,

(Lead) One fish, my dear, (Chorus) I cannot wait,

(All) For me fine fry of herring, me bonny silver herring,

Mind how you sell them while the merry, merry bells do ring.

2. We cast our nets unto the rocks.

3. We’ve white an’ speckled bellied uns.

4. We sell them three for fourpence.
-snip-
Read the next section for comments about the history of this song.

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INFORMATION AND COMMENTS ABOUT THERE WERE THREE JOLLY FISHERMEN"

These sources are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only. SOURCE #1
From https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=30614
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Three Jolly Fishermen
1. Michael in Swansea, 09 Feb 01 - 07:41 AM

THREE JOLLY FISHERMEN

We are three jolly fishermen
We are three jolly fishermen
We are three jolly fishermen
While the merry merry bells do ring

Chorus: Make haste make haste
You'll be too late
One fish my dear
I cannot wait
For me fine fry of herring
Me bonnie silver herring
Mind how you sell them
While the merry merry bells do ring

We cast our nets into the sea (deep) x3
While the merry ..... etc

We've fine and speckled bellied un's x3
While the merry ..... etc

We sell them three four fourpence x3
While the merry ..... etc

** 2. Dave (Bridge), Date: 09 Feb 01 - 05:11 PM
..."Song originating from Whitby in Yorkshire"...
** 3. Michael in Swansea, Date: 10 Feb 01 - 05:01 AM
"Didn't know that, thanks Dave.
Lovely place Whitby, go there every October for the shanty festival." ** 4. mandomad, 10 Feb 01 - 07:22 AM
"Hi Mike, Yes, we see you on the Sunday night when you turn up in the Tap & Spile for a after Festival sing/sup. We know the second verse as...We'll cast our nets unto the rocks(3).

"The merry,merry bells do ring," are ,of course the Bells of St Mary's church up on the cliff top. Do drop into the Tap again this year,and give us a song (with as many of your shanty lads as can manage. We might just persuade Derek Elliott to give his well known rendition of the above song Cheers.
Tony(Mandomad)

The noisy one in the corner."

** 5. Malcolm Douglas Date: 12 Feb 02- 10:03 AM "Roy Palmer prints a slightly different set in The Oxford Book of Sea Songs (1986), now revised and reprinted as Boxing the compass.  He comments:

"Steve Gardham recorded this from Thomas Calvert of Runswick Bay, North Yorkshire, in 1971.  The song, which seems to have been a particular favourite in the Whitby area (though Cecil Sharp had a version from Middlesex, attached to a dance), was issued on a broadside printed in 1837-8 by W. and T. Fordyce, Newcastle, under the title of Caller Herring.  This in turn loosely derives from a song of the same name by Lady Carolina Nairne (1766-1845), published in 1824 to a tune by Nathaniel Gow (1777-1831), based on 'the original Cry of the Newhaven fish wives, Selling their fresh herrings in the streets of Edinburgh'.  Gow's tune was issued as a shilling music sheet for piano in c.1802."

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6. Dave Bryant, Date: 12 Feb 02 - 12:50 PM
"Alan, You were around at Stony on Saturday night when Linda and I sang it - although we sing it as "Two" rather than "Three" fo obvious reasons. There is another verse after "We cast our nets into the sea"

We bring them fresh to market.

I first heard it sung many years ago by Derek & Dorothy Elliot, and we basically use their arrangement of Linda (& chorus ladies) singing the "Make Haste, Make Haste" and "One fish my dear" lines, and me (and chorus men) singing "You'll be too late" and "I cannot wait" lines.

I had heard that it referred to Staithes, further up the coast from Whitby, where the fisherfolk were very religious (Plymouth Brethren?). When the boats landed with the catch, fish were only on sale for a short time before the fisherfolk would have to attend prayers to give thanks. It's an interesting story anyway. I can remember women from Staithes selling fish at Stockton market when I was up in the NE during the 60s. They used to wear long black skirts and bonnets rather like the Sally Army ones."
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This comment is the first one that I've come across that connects the sea song "There Were Three Jolly Fishermen" with the contemporary song of the same title that is considered a Christian children's song.

"The Sally Army" referred to in the quoted comment is a colloquial referent for the Salvation Army

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SOURCE #2
From https://www.fresnostate.edu/folklore/ballads/FSWB240A.html Once There Were Three Fishermen (The Three Jews) "DESCRIPTION: "Once there were three fishermen (x2),

Fisher fisher men men men (x3) Once there were three fishermen." The three fishermen are named, and their voyages described.

AUTHOR: unknown

EARLIEST DATE: 1927 (Harbin-Parodology)

FOUND IN: US(MW,Ro) Canada(Mar,Newf)

[...]

Roud #3708 and 12776

NOTES : This is rather confusing, because the change of one word significantly changes the song. In several texts (Gardner and Chickering, Greenleaf and Mansfield), the three heroes are Jews. But in Pankake, as well as the version printed by Silber, they are fishermen. The latter version is very much a children's song, I've only encountered two versions of this, and they differ in most particulars: In the Silber version, the sailors are Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and they sail for Amsterdam (with resulting comments about naughty words); Ed McCurdy sings a version with different sailors, in which Halifax is the destination. It appears Averill-Camp Songs Folk Songs also had the Amsterdam version.

The fact that the three sailors are "Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" in one of the "Fishermen" versions implies to me that the "Three Jews" version is older; Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are, of course, the three patriarchs of the Jews, so if they show up in a "Fishermen" version, it's because the names were derived from a "Three Jews" version.

In this case, Roud splits the two versions. But the verse form, as well as the names of the characters, says they are the same."
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SOURCE #3 From https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=107415 Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Three Jolly Fishermen

[Pancocojams Editor's Note: This is basically a reprint of very small Mudcat discussion thread. All of the post [comments] are reprinted here except for a comment that I wrote encouraging the first commenter to add his comment to the Biblical Place Name discussion thread that I had started.]

1. From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 06:52 PM

"Astounded that this one is not in the DT or a Mudcat Thread.

Azizi's posting regarding Biblical Places prompted the memory.

Three Jolly Fishermen

There were three jolly fishermen,
There were three jolly fishermen,
Fisher, fisher, MEN, MEN, MEN.
Fisher, fisher, MEN, MEN, MEN.
There weere three jolly fishermen.

The first one's name was Abraham,
The first one's name was Abraham,
Abra, Abra; ham ham, ham,
Abra, Abra; ham ham, ham,
The first one's name was Abraham,

The second one's name was I-I-saac,
The second one's name was I-I-saac,
I-I, I-I- zik, zik, zik, etc.

The third one's name was Ja-a-cob,
The third one's name was Ja-a-cob,
Ja-a, Ja-a; cub, cub, cub, etc.

They all went down to Jericho,
They all went down to Jericho,
Jer-i, Jer-i; cho, cho, cho, etc.

They should have gone to Amsterdam,
They should have gone to Amsterdam,
Amster, Amster, Shh! Shh! Shh!,
Amster, Amster, Shh! Shh! Shh!

You shouldn't say that naughty word!

CAN BE SUNG AS A ROUND

Sincerely,

Gargoyle"

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2. From: Azizi
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 07:36 PM

Well, I'm glad to know that that the Biblical Place Name Thread inspired this thread.

As to the song Three Jolly Fisherman, the version that I learned along the way {which means I don't remember when I learned it but it probably wasn't when I was a young child} is somewhat different than the version that you posted, Gargoyle. Here's that version:

Three Jolly Fishermen

There were three jolly fishermen, fishermen.
There were three jolly fishermen, fishermen
Fisher, fisher, men, men, men
Fisher, fisher, men, men, men.
There were three jolly fishermen.

The first one's name was Abraham, Abraham
The first one's name was Abraham, Abraham
Abra, Abra, ham, ham, ham.
Abra, Abra, ham, ham, ham.
The first one's name was Abraham.

The second one's name was I-I-saac, Isaac.
The second one's name was I-I-saac, Isaac.
I-I, I-I- zik, zik, zik,
I-I, I-I- zik, zik, zik,
The second one's name was I-I-saac.

The third one's name was Ja-a-cob, Jacob.
The third one's name was Ja-a-cob, Jacob.
Jay-a, Jay-a; cub, cub, cub.
Jay-a, Jay-a; cub, cub, cub.
The third one's name was Ja-a-cob.

They all went down to Amster-shh! Amerster-shh!
They all went down to Amerster-shh!
Amster, Amster, Shh! Shh! Shh!
Amster, Amster, Shh! Shh! Shh!
They all went down to Amster-shh!

You must not say that naughty word! Naughty word.
You shouldn't say that naughty word! Naughty word.
Naughty naughty, word word word.
Naughty naughty, word word word.
You must not say that naughty word!

I'm gonna say it any how, any how.
I'm gonna say it any how, any how.
Any any how how how.
Any any how how how.
I'm gonna say it any how.

They all went down to AmsterDAM. AmsterDAM.
They all went down to AmersterDAM. AmsterDAM.
Amster, Amster, DAM! DAM! DAM!
Amster, Amster, DAM! DAM! DAM!
They all went down to AmsterDAM!

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Actually, I don't recall singing the last two* verses. However, that's the way it was sung in the summer camp that my children attended in the mid 1990s."
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Oct. 27, 2022 - Correction- I don’t recall singing the last four verses [ i.e. I believe that the way I remember  singing that song is that it ended with the Jacob verse. Also, notice that my version (probably in the late 1950s when I was around age 10 years old and my children's version from the 1990s didn't include the "Jericho" verse.]

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3. 
From: Susan of DT
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 07:48 PM

"Azizi - The whole point of singing the song, when you are ten years old in summer camp, is to sing those AmsterDAM lines."

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4. From: Joe_F
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 08:27 PM

"A long time ago, I heard this song in Hebrew, something about shlosha dayagim. In place of Amsterdam, it had Arizona, zona being Hebrew for whore.

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5. 
Leadfingers
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 09:16 PM

"I learned it as a DEFINATELY non PC song over forty years ago when it was sung as Three Jews from Jerusalem and would NOT have been sung by ten year olds at summer camp !!"

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SOURCE #4 From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srb0fdH7yEE [This is the link to the first YouTube sound file that is given in this pancocojams post.] 

Here are some comments from this sound file's discussion thread. Numbers have been assigned for referencing purposes only. 

1. Shelley Noyes, 2015
"I recall ending the song with 'and now we're going to finish it. And now we're going to finish it. Finney Finney, ** ** **, Finney Finney ** ** **!!' shouting the last words at the top of our lungs in the back of the bus. So naughty. ;)"

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2. Zippity Zoop, 2016
"We used say they all went down to Amsterdam: Amster, Amster, dam dam dam!"

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3. E. Collins, 2018
"In the version from my childhood, after the Amsterdam verse, there was "I must not say that naughty word, etc."  Then, "I'm gonna say it anyway, etc."  And finally (!), "They all went down to Amster DAM!, etc."...

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4. lyncap99, 2021
"Yeah this is the version I remember they all went down to amster-shhh... Must not say that naughty word... Think I'll say it anyway... All went down to amster dam"

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5. TheHoffy59, 2019
"You should have seen that old peacock.   Pea Pea..............."

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ADDENDUM - "THREE JEWS OF JERUSELAM" / "THREE JEWS CAME FROM JERUSALEM"

https://sounds.bl.uk/World-and-traditional-music/Bob-and-Jacqueline-Patten-Collection/025M-C1033X0015XX-1200V0  Three Jews Of Jerusalem
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Here's my transcription of that sound file (Additions and corrections are welcome) 

There were was three Jews of Jerusalem
There were three Jews of Jerusalem
Jery ery ery usalem
Jer ery ery usalem
There were three Jews of Jerusalem

And the first one’s name was Isaac
The first one’s name was Isaac
I ey I ey I ey  zik zik zik
I ey I ey I ey zik zik zik
The first one’s name was Isaac

The second one’s name was Abraham
The second one’s name was Abraham
Abrey abrey abrey ham ham ham
Abrey abrey abrey ham ham ham
The second one’s name was Abraham

The third one’s name was Jacob
The third one’s name was Jacob
Jaey ey ey cub cub cub
Jaey ey ey cub cub cub
The third one’s name was Jacob

They all went up in a chari bang 
They all went up in a chari bang
chari ari ari bang bang bang
chari ari ari bang bang bang
They all went up in a chari bang

But they all had to go to hospital
They all had to go to hospital
Hos ey osey osey pit pit al
Hos ey osey osey pit pit al
They all had to go to hospital

But then they decided to finish it
Then they decided to finish it
Finney eney eney it it it
Finney eney eney it it it
Then they decided to finish it

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The structure for this song is the same as the structure of "Three Jolly Fishermen".

The tune for both songs are very similar. However, the tune for the last line of "Three Jews Of Jerusalem" is different from the last line for "Three Jolly Fishermen". The last line of this song sound to me like the last line of the verses for the Christian hymn "Take My Life And Let It Be" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ93HVuYd5Y . 

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Here's a link to a YouTube video that shows some children from India singing "Three Jews Came From Jerusalem" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrdI9J6a2pA published by Akash Mondal, Feb. 28, 2020 

This song is described in the video's summary as an "action song". This  is one of several YouTube videos of Christian groups of Indian children singing that song. Unfortunately, I don't feel confident about transcribing the words that are sung.

Here's the lyrics for a YouTube video of the same song with basically the same tune* as "Three Jolly Fishermen" and "Three Jews Of Jerusalem", but with a different title: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivvvnBwEGZ8 Song: Three Wandering Jews, published by Mission Bible Class, July 22, 2013

"Lyrics:
Once there were three wandering Jews
Once there were three wandering Jews
Wandering, wandering
Jews, jews, jews

Wandering, wandering
Jews, jews, jews
Once there were three wandering Jews

The first one's name was Abraham
The first one's name was Abraham
Abra-abra
Ham-ham-ham
Abra-abra
Ham-ham-ham
The first one's name was Abraham

The second one's name was Isaac
The second one's name was Isaac
I-I
Saac-saac-saac
I-I
Saac-saac-saac
The second one's name was Isaac

The third one's name was Jacob
The third one's name was Jacob
Ja-ja
Cob-cob-cob
Ja-ja
Cob-cob-cob
The third one's name was Jacob

They all went down to Canaan's land
They all went down to Canaan's land
Canaan-canaan
Land-land-land
Canaan-canaan
Land-land-land
They all went down to Canaan's land"

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