Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post provides information about the Moroccan singer Jannat Mehid and information about the Togolese duo Toofan.
This post also showcases the official video for "MaMa Africa" by Jannat featuring Toofan and also includes a few selected comments from that video's discussion thread.
The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to and all those who are featured in this song and its video. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Jannat ft. Toofan - MaMa Africa 2017 | جنات - ماما افريكا
Jannat Mahid, Published on Jan 29, 2017
Google translate of Arabic summary to English:
By the way dear to the hearts of all Moroccans, we commend you for this artwork on the occasion of the return of the Kingdom of Morocco to the African Union
[...]
Lyrics of the Ambassador of the Moroccan Song
Musab al - Anzi
Melodies
Radwan Al Diri
[...]
special thanks
To His Royal Highness Prince Moulay Ismail bin Abdullah bin Mohammed V, God's mercy and mercy on him for his moral support and guidance to allow this national and artistic work to mark the return of the Kingdom Morocco to the African Union
Directed by
Faisal Al-Halimi
God is the king's home
[...]
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INFORMATION ABOUT MOROCCAN SINGER JANNAT
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jannat
"Jannat Mahid (Arabic: جنات مهيد) (born January 6, 1986), known by her stage name Jannat, is one of the youngest female Arab artists to have graced the Middle East music scene. Born in Morocco and presently living in Egypt, Jannat sings in almost all Arabic dialects. Jannat is well known for her incredible voice and her love for Arabic classics, particularly Oum Khaltoum she admires since her childhood.
[...]
Career
From that date Jannat turned to a professional singer and released her first song "Efhamny Habiby" in 2004 which was a video clip also. At that time producer Ahmed Desouki was seeking new voices. He liked Jannat voice and signed a contract with her in 2005. From that day Jannat started to prepare for her new album Elli Beny W Benak to be issued in 2006. The preparation of the album took a year and half due to the desire of the producer to achieve success with the album. Jannat recorded 21 songs but the album contained only 10 songs. The album has achieved success and she made a video clip for the song "Aktar Min Sana".[3] The album songs were a collection of romance, sad, and songs that describes women's powerful feelings.[4]
Jannat released other albums with the label Good News 4 Music : GoodNews4Music Vol.1 and Hob Emtelak which was a great success in Egypt and in the Arab world. Jannat was then ranked as one of the best upcoming artists in the Middle East
In 2012, Jannat signed with the famous Arabic pop label Rotana for a three albums deal. At the time of signing, she already produced herself the first album Hob Gamed which gave Jannat international success and her hit "El Badi Azlam" along "Hob Gamed"[5] made her travel many countries. She made several concerts like "Hala Febrayer" in Koweit or "Souq Waqif" in Doha. Hob Gamed was also a bestseller and had significant selling figures in Egypt, Saudi Arabia...
Jannat will release in 2016, her fourth studio album Be Nafs El Kalam.[6]"
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INFORMATION ABOUT TOLOGESE MUSIC GROUP TOOFAN
From https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toofan&prev=search
"Toofan is a musical group founded in 2005 in Togo whose instrumental is a new concept in West African music: the "cool-catché". The dance itself seems simple, but it is a mixture of neck movements accompanied by a presentation of the feet opposite to the logic imposed by the movements of the neck. This concept was the subject of a report by France 24 as summer music. More precisely, it is the clip That magik benefited from this.
The group is also known for a new concept, the "gweta", appeared in 2013 and whose gesture aims to "dodge the jealous".
The group is composed of Masta Just and Barabas. He composed the anthem of the African Cup of Nations football 2012 2 and 2015.
Biography
They are childhood friends who grew up together: Master Just (Fatowou Kossivi) group mover and Barabas said "The Magician" (Blaise Mensah) toaster and rapper of the group. Being three at the beginning of their career, they are now two.
The Toofan export their music beyond West Africa: in the years 2010 they gave concerts in France , Germany and the United States of America , among others. In 2014 they toured France."
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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE ABOUT SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS SONG'S YOUTUBE DISCUSSION THREAD
"MaMa Africa" by Jannat Mahid featuring Toofan is another collaboration between singers in two or more African nations.
As of 9/8/2017 at 11:19 AM there were a total number of 5,752,135 views for this video. There were also a total number of 4,994 comments in this video's discussion thread. It should be noted that this is only one of several YouTube videos for this same song.
By far the most often used language for the comments in this discussion thread is Arabic and French is the second most frequently used language. There are a few comments in Spanish, a few in English, and a few in some other language/s.
Because I was curious, I used Google's translation feature on random Arabic comments and random French comments from this discussion thread. Many of those comments in Arabic and French praise the nation of Morocco and/or praise the song itself or praise the Moroccan singer Jannat. A considerable number of comments in this discussion thread also give respects to "mama Africa", and acknowledge and honor Morocco as an African nation.
Some comments voiced political and/or sociological opinions.
A number of comments referred to the Maghreb. Here's information about the Maghreb from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maghreb
The Maghreb (/ˈmæɡrɪb/[1] or /ˈmʌɡrəb/; literally "west, sunset";[1] Arabic: المغرب al-Maɣréb; Berber: Tamazɣa, ⵜⴰⵎⴰⵣⵗⴰ; historically known as the Barbary Coast or Barbary States, (derived from Berber),[2][3] and the Land of the Atlas (derived from the Atlas Mountains)[4]) or the Greater Maghreb (Arabic: المغرب الكبير al-Maghrib al-Kabīr), is usually defined as much or most of the region of western North Africa or Northwest Africa, west of Egypt. The traditional definition as the region including the Atlas Mountains and the coastal plains of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya, was later superseded, especially following the 1989 formation of the Arab Maghreb Union (اتحاد المغرب العربي), by the inclusion of Mauritania and of the disputed territory of Western Sahara (mostly controlled by Morocco). During the Al-Andalus era in Spain (711–1492), the Maghreb's inhabitants, Maghrebis, were known as "Moors".[5] Morocco also transliterates into Arabic as "al-Maghreb" (The Maghreb).
Before the establishment of modern nation states in the region during the mid-20th century, Maghreb most commonly referred to a smaller area between the Atlas Mountains in the south and the Mediterranean Sea, often also including eastern Libya, but not modern Mauritania. As recently as the late 19th century it was used to refer to the Western Mediterranean region of coastal North Africa in general, and to Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia in particular.[6]
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I didn't find any comments in either of the two discussion threads of this song that I skimmed which specifically mentioned the Togolese group Toofan.
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The following section of this post provide selected examples of the comments in Arabic or in French that I randomly read (via Google translate). The Google translation from Arabic or from French to English is given below the quote. Any words that may also be given in brackets are my addition to that Google translation to better conform with standard American English.
All of these comments are from 2017 These comments aren't consecutive order, but are presented from the oldest to the newest comments. Numbers have been assigned for referencing purposes only.
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcWwV_VQuTc
Fadwa Mouzoun
1. "نقولها بصوت عالي مغربية يا صحرا 👑❤"
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Saying loud Moroccan, O desert of the world
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2. العكايشي
"تحية من العراق الجريح الى اهل المغرب الحبيب"
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"Hamad Al-Akashi
Greetings from wounded Iraq to the beloved people of Morocco"
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3. وطن
"تحية من فلسطين لأهل المغرب اطيب شعب بحبكم 😘😘😘😘😘
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Tears of a homeland
Live from Palestine to the people of Morocco, the best people of your love"
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Reply
4. Amir Amro
"
حبنا لفلسطين ولد فينا فطري و ما عندوش حودود ولا شروط تحياتنا لدولة فلسطين حره و مستقله وعاصمتها القدس العربي الإسلامي الشريف
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"Our love for Palestine was born in us Fattri and Maadosh Houdoud and the conditions of our greetings to the state of Palestine is free and independent and its capital is the Arab Islamic Holy Jerusalem"
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5. uen yogeali
"mama Africa 💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖"
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6. AR Mian
"Wow, lovely song, viva Morocco <3"
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7. M. Eisa
"التحية للشعب المغربي mama Africa plz unite"
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8. Madasha Barbarta SOMALILAND
"تحيه من المغرب لكل دول افريقيا 53 دوله . القاره السمراء في القمه. 10/10 افريقيا . حضارتنا أقدم من العرب عشان كذا نحن افريقا وبس."
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"Living from Morocco to all African countries 53 countries. Black Cap at the top. 10/10 Africa. Our civilization is older than the Arabs because we are Africa and we are.
Hey Salaam, the voices of Moroccans are singing all kinds of songs"
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9. yasin morif
"I from in Mali I love this music I love Morocco"
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Reply
10. shooox enji
"From Morocco , I love Mali ❤"
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11. المغرب ابو الدنيا
"قريبا في الفين وعشرين المغرب سيصبح ملك للمهاجرين الافارقة ونحن سنكون لاجئيين وغرباء في بلدنا والمغرب اصولو امازيغية عن اي افريقيا تتحدتون موقعنا في افريقيا صحيح لكن لا علاقة لنا بهم الا بعض القبائل في جنوب المملكة والا لكنا كلنا سوود كفو عن الكدب فنصف المغاربة ان لم اقل اغلبهم امازيغ والباقي اصولهم عربية وافريقية"
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Morocco Abu Dhabi
"Morocco will soon become the property of African migrants. We will be refugees and strangers in our country and Morocco, Amazigh fundamentalists of any African country that unite our site in Africa, but we have nothing to do with them except some tribes in the south of the Kingdom. Otherwise we would all be sued for the Kurds. Half the Moroccans, if not the majority Amazigh and the rest their origins are Arab and African"
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12. brahim lekmouri brahim lekmouri
"بالمناسبة المغاربة لايسبون الجزائريين بل يسبون النظام الغاشم الذي انفق كل ثرواته للتقسيم بلادنا هههه انه لايعلم ان المغرب جسد واحد والصحراء عضو من هدا الجسد والعاصمة الرباط هي قلب هدا الجسد وجلالة الملك هو دم هدا البلد وادا اشتكى عضو من هدا البلد تداعى له سائر هدا البلد ارجوكم اخوتي الجزائريين افهمونا ولو لمرة واحدة والله واقسم بالله لا فرنسا ولا امريكا ولا ولا يمكنها ان تنتزع منا احد اعضائنا والدي هو الصحراء انها مسألة وجود وايست مسألة حدود"
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"By the way, Moroccans are not Libyans Algerians, but they blame the brutal regime, which spent all its resources to divide our country. Haha, it does not know that Morocco is one body, and Sahara is a member of this body and the capital. Rabat is the heart of this body and the majesty of the king is the blood of this country and a member of this country has complained about this country. My brothers Algerians understand us even once and God swear by God, neither France nor America nor can it take away one of our members. My father is the Sahara. It is a matter of existence."
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13. ahmed taki
"We are back to Africa. Despite Egypt, Tunisia, Mauritania and Algeria, I am talking here about governments, not people"
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14. rihab ch
"Je suis MAROCAINE أنا إفريقية mama africa"
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"I am Moroccan I am African mama africa."
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15. Yasmine el atrassi
"Africa tous unis"
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"Africa all united"
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16. nina simsim
"Je l écouté presque chaque jour c est une fierté non seulement pour le Maroc mais pour toute l Afrique encore une fois bravo pour toute l équipe."
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"I listen to it almost every day is a pride not only for Morocco but for all Africa once again congratulations for the whole team."
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17. Dank j. TrumPEPE
"للأسف هذا مجرد هراء ففي الواقع يتعرض السود بمغربنا الحبيب للتمييز العرقي و التعنيف الجسدي والنفسي من طرف عدد هائل من المغاربة العنصريين الذين يشوهون صورة بلادهم كل من يقطن في هذا البلد أعتبره مغربيا بالرغم عن اختلافاته ع-dnip-ني"
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Unfortunately, this is nonsense. In fact, the blacks in our beloved Morocco are subjected to ethnic discrimination and physical and psychological abuse by a huge number of racist Moroccans who distort their image. Everyone who lives in this country is considered a Moroccan despite his differences about me
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Notice this approximation of the name of the current president of the USA.
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18. Channel warrior
"A great greeting from Egypt, but I wish you a very good greeting to the Arab Maghreb"
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Reply
19. Sadak Dafak
"تيعيش النمغرب اﻷخة من المغرب"
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"Long live the Maghreb brother from Morocco"
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20. guercif music plus
"VIVE MAROC VIVE AFRICA"
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[Long] Live Morocco [Long] Live Africa
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21. yosra zelaoui
"que vive mon pays morroco!!!! i love you"
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"[long live] my country Mococco I Love you."
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22. maroc national team 4
"Moroccan ď African origin puré africain"
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"Moroccan of African origin, pure African"
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23. Adama fofana
"Très cool le Afrique est un et indivisible"
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"It's very cool. Africa is united.
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24.arangy dalo
"تحية طيبة من السودان one Love"
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"Greetings from Sudan One Love"
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25. Arafat Khalifa
"+Simo Romario االمغرب العربي رغم انف كل معارض"
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"+ Simo Romario Maghreb despite the nose of all exhibitions"
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Reply
26. Simo Romario
"عرفات خليفة لك الحق أن تسميه ما شئت. ولكن في الدستور المغربي اسمه المغرب الكبير. وأنا شخصيا مغربي لا أتحدث للأسف إلا اللغة العربية لأن النظام التعليمي المغربي القديم لم يكن بعد يدرس الأمازيغية لكن اللغة الأمازيغية اليوم هي لغة رسمية ومكون أساسي للهوية المغربية نفس الشيء بالنسبة للدول الأخرى الجزائر تونس ليبيا .ولهذا سمي بالمغرب الكبير."
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"Arafat has the right to call him whatever you want. But in the Moroccan constitution its name is Morocco. I am a Moroccan. I speak only Arabic because the old Moroccan educational system did not yet study Amazigh, but Amazigh language today is an official language and a basic component of Moroccan identity. The same is true for other countries, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, and so called Morocco."
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Oum- Taragalite (Soul Of Morocco) (information, lyrics, video, & comments)
Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post provides information about the Moroccan fusion singer Oum and showcases her song Taragalite (Soul Of Morocco).
The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Oum and all those who are featured in this song and its video. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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SHOWCASE VIDEO: OUM - TARAGALTE (Soul Of Morocco) Official Video
OUM OFFICIAL, Published on Jan 4, 2013
Une chanson en hommage à la ville de M'hamid El Ghizlane et à son Festival Taragalte des Musiques du désert et du Monde, dont Oum a été la marraine de la quatrième édition.
Cette vidéo rapporte tous les moments forts de ce séjour dans le désert marocain. Des moments partagés avec les habitants de M'hamid, mais aussi avec des artistes venus du Mali (Tartit), de Mauritanie (Noura Mint Seymali), de France (Nico Wayne Toussaint).
L'édition 2012 du Festival Taragalte avait pour thème: Femmes du désert.
C'est à Taragalte que Oum a choisi de présenter Soul Of Morocco accompagnée de son nouveau quartet:
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Google translation from French to English:
A song in homage to the city of M'hamid El Ghizlane and its Festival Taragalte des Musiques du Désert et du Monde, of which Oum was the godmother of the fourth edition.
This video reports all the highlights of this stay in the Moroccan desert. There are moments shared with the inhabitants of M'hamid, but also with artists from Mali (Tartit), Mauritania (Noura Mint Seymali), France (Nico Wayne Toussaint).
The 2012 edition of the Taragalte Festival was devoted to Women of the Desert.
It was at Taragalte that Oum chose to present Soul Of Morocco accompanied by his new quartet:
Alain Debiossat: Baryton, saxo alto, soprano, flûte (+guitare)
Patrick Marie-Magdelaine: Guitares
Patrick Goraguer: Batterie, percussions
Damian Nueva: Contrebasse
Paroles, mélodies et arrangements: Oum….
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INFORMATION ABOUT OUM
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oum_(singer)
"Oum El Ghaït Benessahraoui[1][2] أم الغيث بنت الصحراوي, known as Oum, born on 18 April 1978[3][4] in Casablanca,[3] is a Moroccan singer-songwriter. Considered an ambassador of Moroccan culture,[5] she mixes hassani, jazz, gospel, soul, afrobeat and Sufi music influences in her songs.[5]
Biography
At a very young age, Oum joined a gospel choir where she played her first solos at fourteen with a voice that impressed the listeners.[6]
At seventeen, her first song, "This is your heart" that she wrote to support the charity operation "Les malades du cœur", helped to successfully secure her first appearance on television.[6]
In 1996, she entered the National School of Architecture in Rabat.[6] She pursued her studies there until graduation in 2002.[6]
At the same time, she began to perform in public.[6] With a powerful and expressive voice, she takes over the repertoire of Aretha Franklin, Ella Fitzgerald or Whitney Houston.[6]
In 1998, Oum did her first attempts with hip-hop and RnB with Djo Catangana, a producer and creator of the French hip hop collective Mafia Trece.[6]
In 2002, she was noticed by Philippe Delmas who invited her to Paris. For two years, she alternated recording sessions and concerts in Casablanca with the Brotherwood band.[6] In 2004, she ended up her Parisian experience.[6]
Back to her homeland Morocco, she enters new musical universes: the Gnaoui and the Hassani.[6] Oum's decision to introduce such local forms of rhythms not only influenced her songs' tunes but also her lyrics. She performs with Barry, a musician known for his fusion of musical styles and repertoires, on the stages of the Gnaoua World Music Festival in Essaouira, the Tanjazz in Tangier and the Barcelona Acció Musical in Barcelona.[6]
Oum, who grew up in Marrakech, is a soul singer. Yet, her style remains unique since it's highly inspired by influences such as the Hassani poetry (Moroccan desert culture) and African rhythms.
Her first album Lik 'Oum appeared in Casablanca in May 2009.[7]"....
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LYRICS: TARAGALITE (SOUL OF MOROCCO)
(written by Oum)
زرناك و بهواك راحنا متعلقين
عشنا و شفنا ماحنا ناسين
لباب الصحراء حنا جينا
بروح إفريقيا غنينا
لصمت النجوم سمعنا
الفن كل ليلة ليلة
الاشعار و الانغام الزينة و الكل كان زين
تارغلت تارغلت يا مرحبتي
محمد يا زين الغزلان خير الناس فيك
فيك أكرم أكرم خيام يا وني يا وني بيك
Join us,
Come and join us at Taragalte
To the Sahara's gate
Come on and join us
Listen to the sound of peace,
Love, simplicity, complicity
Come on, come on, come on, join my people of Taragalte
Oasis of cultures and place of peace and dreams
Place of soul.mystery
Come to the desert,
Come to Taragalte.
Come into my people
Come join us
Youyouyouyouyouyouyou
Come on
Come on
Play that beat
Play that rythm
Source: https://www.musixmatch.com/lyrics/Oum/Taragalte
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM OUM - TARAGALTE (Soul Of Morocco) [VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD]
These comments are given in chronological order excerpt for replies, and are numbered for referencing purposes only.
In addition to the congratulatory comments and information about Morocco in these comments, I'm interested in documenting how these comments are written, particularly how some of these comments include Caribbean vernacular terms/phrases such as "big up" and American vernacular terms such as "you rock". I'm also interested in documenting a number of commenters' use of internet/text lingo and spelling.
2013
dabithamid
"god bless morocco from tanger to Lagouira"
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jonathan logan
"why we change the name of cities from Amazigh to arabic?
TARAGALTE, Mogador, Tangis, Mazaghan..."
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Mehdi Maaroufi
"Proud to be Moroccan."
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fatima zahra belcaid
"I'm just in love with Sahraha, the place where i grow up, and tnx Oum for this amazing SOng
Love you :)"
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Ilyass Mardy
"a7la tzghritta big up to you oum chapeau"
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Howard Keller
"What a beautiful woman, beautiful voice, song, and video. Very impressive! Thank you for sharing!"
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Fadwa Asbi
"You took the Moroccan music to the next level !! This is amazing !!"
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Najma Nuriddin
"Beautiful! Mama Africa!"
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karim abderrafiq
"song with deeep verrrry deep meaning
thx OUM"
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feyrouze lamarocaine
"Sérieusement oum tu est un exemple pour moi!tu représente la femme marocaine d'aujourd hui et ca Jen suis très fière :tu as ton propre style ta propre façon de parler et surtout de penser!vraiment ...chapeau!je taime oum!"
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Google translation from French to English
"Seriously oum you are an example for me, you represent the Moroccan woman of today and ca Jen am very proud: you have your own style your own way to speak and especially to think ... really ... hat, I taime oum! [Thank you Oum]"
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Eniola Apata
"This look like Merzougha i am very proud of this people of Sahara to hold on their African root. These people are native of our beloved continent. It give me joy with all our diversity as people, we can still come together. With all force from western imperialism to divide our people in the continent, the so called sub Sahara African and our North African brother and sister are been living together long before Arab and European set their foot on this beloved and amazing continent. T"
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E. Zouhair
"Big Up Pour Toi Oum ! Excellente Combinaison , On est fan de ce que tu fais (y)"
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yasabdo
"fabuleuse OUM. U're the Soul and Pride of our dear Kingdom Morocco."
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simo
"Oum!! i live in the coldest country on earth Ive been away from home for over 3 years and this song made me warm made me miss home ,got tears.
You basically inspired many moroccans.
I wish you the best of luck. Tbarkalah 3lik"
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Blvck White
"Oum
LOVE & PEACE FROM MARRAKECH ♥"
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kaoutar hrari
"the song is outstanding!!
the headwraps are killing me!!
u simply rock"
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Rachad ESSOURI
"MOROCCO have a beautiful soul !"
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Haro Wanderlust
"Let the music feel your soul.."
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saida saadoun
"ça c'est une chanson
ça c'est de la musique
ça c'est une Diva
Bravo Oum .. rarissime les chanteurs de ton genre (y)"
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Google translate from French to English:
"this is a song
this is music
this is a Diva
Bravo Oum .. rare singers of your kind (y) "
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"Youssef Ayour
"Beautiful song .. thumb up from a Moroccan in south of Mississippi"
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Louie Noujoum
"Ilove both of you Oum and Gad you are the big mirror of our culture..the big MOrocco."
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ameltrust Kaci
"So nice... I'm from Algeria, we are lucky because we are from North Africa on the Mediterranean, we have the most beautiful artists, a wonderful food, and nice people... Vive les méditerranéen"
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fati mokhtari
"Words cannot describe what I feel when i listen to this Lady. She know how to use the spirit of Morocco."
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saloua
"go on Oum! you rock !!
<3"
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Morocco Maroc
"I couldn't be more prouder as a Moroccan to hear such a beautiful Moroccan singer singing such a beautiful song. Very moving voice indeed ! WOW, the combination of Moroccan & English lyrics made it even more attractive. Very rarely you find singers singing the same song using multiple languages, My Friends, this is made in Morocco !!
This is TRUE MOROCCAN BLUES ! I wish if BB-King listens to this song. She will be invited to one of his concerts for sure.
Plz visit us at MoroccoUSA [.] com"
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kaoutar EL KADIRI
"Peace and love OUM ..."
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Boumliha Zakaria
"Oum je ss pas quoi dire !! . juste formidable, syma la ziik ... Ga3 tes musiques kay mezkonii !! ... #1.LOVE
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Google translation from French to English:
"Oum I ss not what to say !! . just great, syma la ziik ... Ga3 your music kay mezkonii !! ... # 1.LOVE"
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Ayoub Belhachmi
"soooooooooooooooooo nice"
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laura kira
"Eu gosto oum é um grande artista marroquino e digo mais uma grande cantora internacional! ela tem um carisma que difere de todos os cantores, no mundo árabe, é a originalidade de Marrocos"
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Google translation from Portuguese to English
"I like oum is a great Moroccan artist and I say another great international singer! she has a charisma that
differs from all the singers in the Arab world, is the originality of Morocco"
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Tarik Mahmoudi
"go ahead (y) u doin' right masha allah 3leek ;)"
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youn3ss
"Respect OUM <3"
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Hassan Medbouh Mezian
"Jolie chanson et belle voie. Sahara fusion."
-snip-
Google translate from French to English:
"Pretty song and beautiful voice. Sahara fusion."
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iliyas snow
"Really really Nice song love it Maximum peace oum we <3 you !! "
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Redwane Ouahim
"WAAAAAAW Amazing Tuuuuuuune <3"
**
H. Hamza
"You are AWESOME. I can't wait to see you in Casablanca
This song reflexes what we really are: Africans, Arabs, Berbers ,and above all, MUSLIMS."
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Majda Ben el mouaz
"Excellent travail !!
Quel goût, quelle classe et queeeelle voix!
Bravo :)"
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nabil tayaa
"Pchaaakh a lidam !! La scène marocaine se porte bien actuellement grâce à la talentueuse OUM et quelques autres ARTISTES ( Wa Sma3 a hadak l Bou3ar Dyal l Bigg Dyask Kidayrine, Galik wlmaghrib Wrah Pfff)
Pchaaakh a lidam !! The Moroccan scene is currently doing well thanks to the talented OUM and some other ARTISTS (Wa Sma3 hadak l Bou3ar Dyal l Bigg Dyask Kidayrine, Galik wlmaghrib Wrah Pfff)
Excellent work !!
What taste, what class and what voice!
Bravo :)"
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Panda lover
"Good job Oum. this vidéo Just makes me want to go to the south ♡"
**
Martine THIERRY
"La musique est douce dommage que je ne comprenne pas les paroles; bisous à Gad et à Oum"
this is a song
this is music
this is a Diva
Bravo Oum .. very rare singers of your kind (y)
-snip-
Google translation from French to English:
"The music is gentle pity that I do not understand the words; kisses to Gad and Oum
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2014
Keith Kadmiri
"A mystical desert pilgrimage in Southern Morocco, every soul should experience at least once in a lifetime. A place where one meet his/her own soul, away from man-made pollution... Well done " Oum Deesse Du Sahara Marocain"."
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Ely L B
"The best morocain jazz"
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Mohamed EL BAKI
"Très belles chansons et musiques: musiques traditionnelles et "Soul". une belle initiative que celle de ce Groupe.Très belle est la voix de la chanteuse.
La diversité marocaine dans sa grandeur et sa splendeur.
Arabes,Amazighes,Sahraouis,une Histoire et une civilisation arabo-bertbèro-musulmanes.Des langues régionales,des coutumes et des traditions,mais une seule identité MAROCAINE.
France,Haute-Savoie : 24/10/2013.
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Google translation from French to English
Very beautiful songs and music: traditional music and "Soul". a beautiful initiative than that of this Group.Very beautiful is the voice of the singer.
Moroccan diversity in its grandeur and splendor.
Arabs, Amazighs, Sahrawis, an Arab-Muslim-Arabic history and civilization. Regional languages, customs and traditions, but a single Moroccan identity."
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This pancocojams post provides information about the Moroccan fusion singer Oum and showcases her song Taragalite (Soul Of Morocco).
The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Oum and all those who are featured in this song and its video. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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SHOWCASE VIDEO: OUM - TARAGALTE (Soul Of Morocco) Official Video
OUM OFFICIAL, Published on Jan 4, 2013
Une chanson en hommage à la ville de M'hamid El Ghizlane et à son Festival Taragalte des Musiques du désert et du Monde, dont Oum a été la marraine de la quatrième édition.
Cette vidéo rapporte tous les moments forts de ce séjour dans le désert marocain. Des moments partagés avec les habitants de M'hamid, mais aussi avec des artistes venus du Mali (Tartit), de Mauritanie (Noura Mint Seymali), de France (Nico Wayne Toussaint).
L'édition 2012 du Festival Taragalte avait pour thème: Femmes du désert.
C'est à Taragalte que Oum a choisi de présenter Soul Of Morocco accompagnée de son nouveau quartet:
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Google translation from French to English:
A song in homage to the city of M'hamid El Ghizlane and its Festival Taragalte des Musiques du Désert et du Monde, of which Oum was the godmother of the fourth edition.
This video reports all the highlights of this stay in the Moroccan desert. There are moments shared with the inhabitants of M'hamid, but also with artists from Mali (Tartit), Mauritania (Noura Mint Seymali), France (Nico Wayne Toussaint).
The 2012 edition of the Taragalte Festival was devoted to Women of the Desert.
It was at Taragalte that Oum chose to present Soul Of Morocco accompanied by his new quartet:
Alain Debiossat: Baryton, saxo alto, soprano, flûte (+guitare)
Patrick Marie-Magdelaine: Guitares
Patrick Goraguer: Batterie, percussions
Damian Nueva: Contrebasse
Paroles, mélodies et arrangements: Oum….
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INFORMATION ABOUT OUM
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oum_(singer)
"Oum El Ghaït Benessahraoui[1][2] أم الغيث بنت الصحراوي, known as Oum, born on 18 April 1978[3][4] in Casablanca,[3] is a Moroccan singer-songwriter. Considered an ambassador of Moroccan culture,[5] she mixes hassani, jazz, gospel, soul, afrobeat and Sufi music influences in her songs.[5]
Biography
At a very young age, Oum joined a gospel choir where she played her first solos at fourteen with a voice that impressed the listeners.[6]
At seventeen, her first song, "This is your heart" that she wrote to support the charity operation "Les malades du cœur", helped to successfully secure her first appearance on television.[6]
In 1996, she entered the National School of Architecture in Rabat.[6] She pursued her studies there until graduation in 2002.[6]
At the same time, she began to perform in public.[6] With a powerful and expressive voice, she takes over the repertoire of Aretha Franklin, Ella Fitzgerald or Whitney Houston.[6]
In 1998, Oum did her first attempts with hip-hop and RnB with Djo Catangana, a producer and creator of the French hip hop collective Mafia Trece.[6]
In 2002, she was noticed by Philippe Delmas who invited her to Paris. For two years, she alternated recording sessions and concerts in Casablanca with the Brotherwood band.[6] In 2004, she ended up her Parisian experience.[6]
Back to her homeland Morocco, she enters new musical universes: the Gnaoui and the Hassani.[6] Oum's decision to introduce such local forms of rhythms not only influenced her songs' tunes but also her lyrics. She performs with Barry, a musician known for his fusion of musical styles and repertoires, on the stages of the Gnaoua World Music Festival in Essaouira, the Tanjazz in Tangier and the Barcelona Acció Musical in Barcelona.[6]
Oum, who grew up in Marrakech, is a soul singer. Yet, her style remains unique since it's highly inspired by influences such as the Hassani poetry (Moroccan desert culture) and African rhythms.
Her first album Lik 'Oum appeared in Casablanca in May 2009.[7]"....
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LYRICS: TARAGALITE (SOUL OF MOROCCO)
(written by Oum)
زرناك و بهواك راحنا متعلقين
عشنا و شفنا ماحنا ناسين
لباب الصحراء حنا جينا
بروح إفريقيا غنينا
لصمت النجوم سمعنا
الفن كل ليلة ليلة
الاشعار و الانغام الزينة و الكل كان زين
تارغلت تارغلت يا مرحبتي
محمد يا زين الغزلان خير الناس فيك
فيك أكرم أكرم خيام يا وني يا وني بيك
Join us,
Come and join us at Taragalte
To the Sahara's gate
Come on and join us
Listen to the sound of peace,
Love, simplicity, complicity
Come on, come on, come on, join my people of Taragalte
Oasis of cultures and place of peace and dreams
Place of soul.mystery
Come to the desert,
Come to Taragalte.
Come into my people
Come join us
Youyouyouyouyouyouyou
Come on
Come on
Play that beat
Play that rythm
Source: https://www.musixmatch.com/lyrics/Oum/Taragalte
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM OUM - TARAGALTE (Soul Of Morocco) [VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD]
These comments are given in chronological order excerpt for replies, and are numbered for referencing purposes only.
In addition to the congratulatory comments and information about Morocco in these comments, I'm interested in documenting how these comments are written, particularly how some of these comments include Caribbean vernacular terms/phrases such as "big up" and American vernacular terms such as "you rock". I'm also interested in documenting a number of commenters' use of internet/text lingo and spelling.
2013
dabithamid
"god bless morocco from tanger to Lagouira"
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jonathan logan
"why we change the name of cities from Amazigh to arabic?
TARAGALTE, Mogador, Tangis, Mazaghan..."
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Mehdi Maaroufi
"Proud to be Moroccan."
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fatima zahra belcaid
"I'm just in love with Sahraha, the place where i grow up, and tnx Oum for this amazing SOng
Love you :)"
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Ilyass Mardy
"a7la tzghritta big up to you oum chapeau"
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Howard Keller
"What a beautiful woman, beautiful voice, song, and video. Very impressive! Thank you for sharing!"
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Fadwa Asbi
"You took the Moroccan music to the next level !! This is amazing !!"
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Najma Nuriddin
"Beautiful! Mama Africa!"
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karim abderrafiq
"song with deeep verrrry deep meaning
thx OUM"
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feyrouze lamarocaine
"Sérieusement oum tu est un exemple pour moi!tu représente la femme marocaine d'aujourd hui et ca Jen suis très fière :tu as ton propre style ta propre façon de parler et surtout de penser!vraiment ...chapeau!je taime oum!"
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Google translation from French to English
"Seriously oum you are an example for me, you represent the Moroccan woman of today and ca Jen am very proud: you have your own style your own way to speak and especially to think ... really ... hat, I taime oum! [Thank you Oum]"
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Eniola Apata
"This look like Merzougha i am very proud of this people of Sahara to hold on their African root. These people are native of our beloved continent. It give me joy with all our diversity as people, we can still come together. With all force from western imperialism to divide our people in the continent, the so called sub Sahara African and our North African brother and sister are been living together long before Arab and European set their foot on this beloved and amazing continent. T"
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E. Zouhair
"Big Up Pour Toi Oum ! Excellente Combinaison , On est fan de ce que tu fais (y)"
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yasabdo
"fabuleuse OUM. U're the Soul and Pride of our dear Kingdom Morocco."
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simo
"Oum!! i live in the coldest country on earth Ive been away from home for over 3 years and this song made me warm made me miss home ,got tears.
You basically inspired many moroccans.
I wish you the best of luck. Tbarkalah 3lik"
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Blvck White
"Oum
LOVE & PEACE FROM MARRAKECH ♥"
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kaoutar hrari
"the song is outstanding!!
the headwraps are killing me!!
u simply rock"
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Rachad ESSOURI
"MOROCCO have a beautiful soul !"
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Haro Wanderlust
"Let the music feel your soul.."
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saida saadoun
"ça c'est une chanson
ça c'est de la musique
ça c'est une Diva
Bravo Oum .. rarissime les chanteurs de ton genre (y)"
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Google translate from French to English:
"this is a song
this is music
this is a Diva
Bravo Oum .. rare singers of your kind (y) "
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"Youssef Ayour
"Beautiful song .. thumb up from a Moroccan in south of Mississippi"
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Louie Noujoum
"Ilove both of you Oum and Gad you are the big mirror of our culture..the big MOrocco."
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ameltrust Kaci
"So nice... I'm from Algeria, we are lucky because we are from North Africa on the Mediterranean, we have the most beautiful artists, a wonderful food, and nice people... Vive les méditerranéen"
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fati mokhtari
"Words cannot describe what I feel when i listen to this Lady. She know how to use the spirit of Morocco."
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saloua
"go on Oum! you rock !!
<3"
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Morocco Maroc
"I couldn't be more prouder as a Moroccan to hear such a beautiful Moroccan singer singing such a beautiful song. Very moving voice indeed ! WOW, the combination of Moroccan & English lyrics made it even more attractive. Very rarely you find singers singing the same song using multiple languages, My Friends, this is made in Morocco !!
This is TRUE MOROCCAN BLUES ! I wish if BB-King listens to this song. She will be invited to one of his concerts for sure.
Plz visit us at MoroccoUSA [.] com"
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kaoutar EL KADIRI
"Peace and love OUM ..."
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Boumliha Zakaria
"Oum je ss pas quoi dire !! . juste formidable, syma la ziik ... Ga3 tes musiques kay mezkonii !! ... #1.LOVE
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Google translation from French to English:
"Oum I ss not what to say !! . just great, syma la ziik ... Ga3 your music kay mezkonii !! ... # 1.LOVE"
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Ayoub Belhachmi
"soooooooooooooooooo nice"
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laura kira
"Eu gosto oum é um grande artista marroquino e digo mais uma grande cantora internacional! ela tem um carisma que difere de todos os cantores, no mundo árabe, é a originalidade de Marrocos"
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Google translation from Portuguese to English
"I like oum is a great Moroccan artist and I say another great international singer! she has a charisma that
differs from all the singers in the Arab world, is the originality of Morocco"
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Tarik Mahmoudi
"go ahead (y) u doin' right masha allah 3leek ;)"
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youn3ss
"Respect OUM <3"
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Hassan Medbouh Mezian
"Jolie chanson et belle voie. Sahara fusion."
-snip-
Google translate from French to English:
"Pretty song and beautiful voice. Sahara fusion."
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iliyas snow
"Really really Nice song love it Maximum peace oum we <3 you !! "
**
Redwane Ouahim
"WAAAAAAW Amazing Tuuuuuuune <3"
**
H. Hamza
"You are AWESOME. I can't wait to see you in Casablanca
This song reflexes what we really are: Africans, Arabs, Berbers ,and above all, MUSLIMS."
**
Majda Ben el mouaz
"Excellent travail !!
Quel goût, quelle classe et queeeelle voix!
Bravo :)"
**
nabil tayaa
"Pchaaakh a lidam !! La scène marocaine se porte bien actuellement grâce à la talentueuse OUM et quelques autres ARTISTES ( Wa Sma3 a hadak l Bou3ar Dyal l Bigg Dyask Kidayrine, Galik wlmaghrib Wrah Pfff)
Pchaaakh a lidam !! The Moroccan scene is currently doing well thanks to the talented OUM and some other ARTISTS (Wa Sma3 hadak l Bou3ar Dyal l Bigg Dyask Kidayrine, Galik wlmaghrib Wrah Pfff)
Excellent work !!
What taste, what class and what voice!
Bravo :)"
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Panda lover
"Good job Oum. this vidéo Just makes me want to go to the south ♡"
**
Martine THIERRY
"La musique est douce dommage que je ne comprenne pas les paroles; bisous à Gad et à Oum"
this is a song
this is music
this is a Diva
Bravo Oum .. very rare singers of your kind (y)
-snip-
Google translation from French to English:
"The music is gentle pity that I do not understand the words; kisses to Gad and Oum
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2014
Keith Kadmiri
"A mystical desert pilgrimage in Southern Morocco, every soul should experience at least once in a lifetime. A place where one meet his/her own soul, away from man-made pollution... Well done " Oum Deesse Du Sahara Marocain"."
**
Ely L B
"The best morocain jazz"
**
Mohamed EL BAKI
"Très belles chansons et musiques: musiques traditionnelles et "Soul". une belle initiative que celle de ce Groupe.Très belle est la voix de la chanteuse.
La diversité marocaine dans sa grandeur et sa splendeur.
Arabes,Amazighes,Sahraouis,une Histoire et une civilisation arabo-bertbèro-musulmanes.Des langues régionales,des coutumes et des traditions,mais une seule identité MAROCAINE.
France,Haute-Savoie : 24/10/2013.
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Google translation from French to English
Very beautiful songs and music: traditional music and "Soul". a beautiful initiative than that of this Group.Very beautiful is the voice of the singer.
Moroccan diversity in its grandeur and splendor.
Arabs, Amazighs, Sahrawis, an Arab-Muslim-Arabic history and civilization. Regional languages, customs and traditions, but a single Moroccan identity."
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Friday, August 18, 2017
Comments From A YouTube Discussion Thread About The Use Of The Racial Referents "Morena" & "Negra" In Spain & In Some Other Spanish Speaking Nations
Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post features Part I of a YouTube video entitled "Black In Spain" and focuses on selected comments from that video's discussion thread about which is the meanings of the Spanish referents "morena"/"moreno" and "negro"/negra" and which is the most appropriate referent/non-racist term to use for people of Black descent.
The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural and linguistic purposes.
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SHOWCASE VIDEO:
Black In Spain | Part 1
Somewhere Always Published on May 5, 2016
I'm talking about being Black again- SHOCKER! Some say Spain is racist. I say... well you've got to watch to find out! I was in Spain for over a year. Being Black abroad can be stressful, worrisome and overwhelming at times. *sigh*
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Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSFA8yWcrh8 for Part II of this vlog.
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD
Pancocojams Editor's Note:
These comments are given in chronological order with the oldest comments by year presented first, except for replies. Numbers are assigned to these comments for referencing purposes only.
1. Ramón Antonio Parada, 2016
"I'm Spanish (Galician) and I had an African American girlfriend from California. People from Spain would think that American perspective on race is way too complicated if they knew about it, but they don't know about it. I think you reflected this well in the video. I have used the words "American American" because my ex-girlfriend explained that it was the right word to use. She had to explain to me many things about American culture.
I think the reason that we use both negra and morena is because of we don't know what the right word is. There is not right word because 20 years ago there were only black people in a couple of cities in Spain. Most people use a word based on the level of brown of the skin, plain and simple. We also use the same words if a local white person gets a lot of tan. Some other people may have a more complex view like assume that all latin americans are morenas (being mulata a synonym) and americans & african will be negras but much less people than the first ones. But nobody will understand your complex view on this topic.
We are like naive for the good and for the bad. I want to think that most of the time we do well. Sometimes we want to be friendly and say something that would be inappropriate in the states, like if someone asks you "why your hair is that way?". In that case is just curiosity, that person didn't saw a hair like yours in their life. They don't remotely know about what you are thinking about. 99% of the people in Spain won't understand the hair part of this video.
Sadly we sometimes can be racist or too stereotypical and don't event notice. Some people will assume that black people are always the same: poor, foreigner and from african origin and will only be proven wrong if you clearly dress like a money person. That in part is because of our history, we lived in a dictatorship not long ago and we had little communication with other countries so most black people came to Spain less than ten years ago, were poor and started with small jobs or selling in the street. Hopefully this people are starting to have Spanish born children and starting to do well but still rich black people are mostly football players.
When I was a child in the small town were I was born Baltasar Magic King was always played by a white guy with the skin painted so 5 year olds would think it is the real Baltasar King and they would love it without realizing he is painted. Nobody with black skin or long white beard lived there so we did the best we could. And I think the same happened in the big cities like Madrid because I don't remember seein something different on TV. It was only after I was 20 that started seeing Baltasar played by a black guy in big cities. Children now have seen black people so now even 5 year olds can tell a fake Baltasar. Also there is now black people in my little town but Baltasar is still a painted white guy. Why is that? Magic Kings are played by volunteers, it wouldn't be polite to ask somebody to play certain role because of their beard or skin, and we are used to our fake Magic Kings but we have to paint them better.
I hope this helps. For any person who reads this if you are thinking about visiting Spain don't waste your precious time worrying about finding a racist person. Ignore him if you find one, you are better than him, and I hope you have a great time in Spain!"
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2. sa m, 2016
"About the negro/moreno issue... The word negro/a is just an adjective, and there's nothing wrong with that. When people try to avoid describing you as negro/a is really a red flag cause they think its a bad word when is not.
I've encountered situations when I've said that I'm a black person and they responded me by saying "no, you're just morena", and that's what's really offensive and racist."
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3. Sharrif Bey, 2017
"sa m - they are calling you by the name of your ancient ancestors whether they know it or not. Deeply melanin rich people that ruled the world and navigated the 7 seas, the Moors, hence, Moreno y Morena is Kool."
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4. Luna Ariyadi, 2016
"Idk why are people so pissed off! In Spanish "Negro" is just the name of a color. In America everytime you refer to someone you don't know you probably would say "that tall guy over there" or "the blond one". A white person is called "Blanco" and a black person is called "Negro". If Americans took the word "negro" to use it the wrong way it's not Spain's fault. My boyfriend is black and when we point someone to know who are we talking about if that person is black he would say "el negro" like any other person would. It would be racist if you said something wrong about it or add an insult like "puto negro" that's racist. But the word black alone just means black. Also "moreno" can be anybody with darker skin than pale."
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5. Somewhere Always, 2016
"+Luna Ariyadi this is pissed to you? I was extra calm. Also- I'm actually not the color Black, I'm brown. If calling me Negro is acknowledging my race - then Spaniards should acknowledge race in society not just in conversation."
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6. Sharrif Bey, 2017
"Luna Ariyadi - Moreno means Moor; lineage of all melanin rich people. Spain during the inquisition took over Al Andalusia which it was called before the defeat of the Moors at Granada."
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Luna Ariyadi, 2017
"Moreno doesn't mean moor, MORO means moor and is an offensive word. Moreno means "darker than white" I'm morena, if you see me outside you would call me morena, but I'm not African or from the North of Africa. Indonesian people are morenos, South American people are morenos. In history class we have always learned people who conquered the South of Spain were called "moros" not "morenos" because a lot of people from different ethnicities can be called moreno."
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8. Luna Ariyadi, 2017
"I'm not complaining about you, I'm generalizing people who don't fully know the meaning of some words and might have cultural shocks because of it. A person with African origins here are called "Africanos", "negros" or "personas de color". In the US you call an Afroamerican "black" right? here is the same thing. A white person is called white and a black person is called black, it is not racist, it is not meant to be an offensive word, it is in English but not in Spanish. Here even black people call "negro" to other black people, everybody does. Just like someone would call me "morena" and someone would call a white person "blanco". And if you don't like it tell people how would you like to be called instead and comprehensive people will understand."
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9. Sharrif Bey, 2017
"Black, and white being used to classify people for supremacy purposes came from Alfred Blumenbach, and Karolus Lineaus; its called a caste system, get it. You're right peoples all over the world that are deeply melanin enriched are also Moors, hence Moreno. Black being a nation of people doesn't exist, nor white. What people have been taught to use is connotative linguistics, instead of denotative. Its about knowing, not feelings."
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10. Amelia D, 2016
"I've been living in Spain for a month and before I came I saw so many videos about the racism here. I have experienced none of it fortunately. So many people said it would be racist but it actually wasn't. I hadn't even been called Morena. In Barcelona I had a convo about the racism in America and how police brutality was never new in the US. I guess I lived with a good host family. I just heard someone say el negro. That's all. knocks on wood"
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11. Amelia, 2016
"Also I don't think being called negro is racist. When I first started learning Spanish we learned that black (race) is negro. That's just what it is. It's a harsher word than Morena which is just like a "shade" but in Spanish id proudly say that I'm "negra" that's what it is. I feel like Asian ppl were highlighted more than blacks anyway. Like many would just refer to Asians as chinos. Which again means Chinese, but my friend who is Chinese, was always referred to as la China and never by her name. No one really bothered to find out her name. That I think was racist"
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12. NeccoWecco1, 2016
"You're called morena because you aren't as dark toned as many people who come from africa. It is racism, since you are being singled out for your skin tone, but it isnt necessarily mean they were treating it negatively. I'm a white foreigner in Spain and I have been treated both rudely (being called guiri) and others who treat me as everyone else in the community. I think, just as you stated, people often use words like negra, morena, guiri in a context that they think is non-offensive, but fail to realise that it is inherently offensive."
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13. NeccoWecco, 2016
"+moonbeeps Guiri is despective. It's saying "filthy foreigner", pointing out that you are different, dont fit in, and don't belong. Obviously, Guiri de mierda, is way worse."
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14. moonbeeps, 2016
"No it isnt, its just a way to refer to a very white person that looks german or english. If you say sguiri de mierda then ofcourse its despective..... Or negra de mierda. Ofcourse that despective. But just guiri or just negro is a way to refer to someone's phisical apearance. I know, im spanish. And its certainly doesnt mean filthy foreigner xDDD"
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15. Hiponakte, 2016
Where I live "morena" is (at least originally) the dark skinned Mediterranean type (moreno=moorish like), whereas "negra" is the subsaharan really black skinned type. Now, "morena" usually have a sexy ring, something like "my pretty dark skinned girl", and I think that black people prefer the word "moreno/a" than "negro/a" . The word "negra" is kind of neutral in Spain (but not always), and the word "negrita" (literally "little black girl"), used as "pretty black girl", may easily sound condescending. So I use "moreno/a" instead of "negro/a": language is always evolving, black people like it, and it sounds well and amicable.
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16. Hiponakte, 2016
"+SomewhereAlways Tee The problem is that the pair "black/white" was never really Spanish until the English American culture became the culture of the West (in the good and bad things). In Spanish "blanco" is (was?) someone who couldn't get any tan: those who pass from milky-white to crab-red in the sun. And "blanco" was not seen as a race. Now, with the trend of calling "moreno" to black people (something that in Latin America is much more established than in Spain) the meaning of "blanco" is also shifting: it can't be that my younger sister, who is very "blanca" (she can't get any tan, no matter how much she tries), and me, who can get quite a tan, can't be from different "races", and even less from different "ethnicities". Language is evolving, we will see where all this thing ends."
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17. SomewhereAlways, 2016
"+Hiponakte which is precisely why I say it's relative. I take everyone as they are with their vocabulary but if I see a trend that Spaniards who are damn near the same color as me (and I've met QUITE a few) are considered morena but you call me negra. It makes me wonder. Especially when I've never heard any Spaniard use negra in a positive tone. In other situations (mainly in America) speaking Spanish- I don't blink an eye. But let's not forget that the concept of race (caucasoid, negroid etc) originated in Europe. slavery perpetuated it in Europe AND America. Its just developed into a different idea in America than in Europe."
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18. Hiponakte, 2016
"+SomewhereAlways Tee A dark Spanish woman (or a dark Moroccan woman etc.) is "morena", but not "negra", because traditionally "morena" was "dark Mediterranean", and nobody would mistake you with a native Andalusian, or Moroccan, Sicilian, Tunisian etc. Anyway, I'd like to point out this: the black people that we have in Spain (from Senegal, Mali, Nigeria...) have not experienced the association of race and slavery that the black people in the Americas have suffered, nor the post slavery history of legal segregation or de facto segregation... they have another story and history: they are migrants and unskilled workers in a country where is not easy to find a job. So they have had difficult experiences and traumas... but different from that of the African Americans.
Another interesting difference between the USA and Spain is that in Spain the ethnicities that have been traditionally more discriminated against are not the blacks, but the "gitanos" (gypsies) and "moros" (North African or Middle Eastern Muslims). The Gypsies and the Muslims have been wronged, the Gypsies and Muslims have "persecution paranoia" and integration problems, but the blacks are regarded as peaceful and hardworking (the situation in France is just the same, but with a much older black community)."
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19. Felicity Martinez, 2016
"I am mixed and Spanish and the word for me is "mulata", but sometimes as an insult i have been called "negra + [insert bad thing]". It depends on the connotation, but normally people refer to my mother (100% black african) as morena and me and my brother are "morenitos/mulatos". In Andalucia, where I'm from, people usually use "africano" for just black people because the majority of the black population are in fact African inmigrants. I hope this helps to clear it ;)"
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20. Felicity Martinez, 2016
"Also, in Andalucia they call white people (as in White americans, germans, english, etc) "guiris", which they dont' consider themselves or any mediterranean people to be in the same category."
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21. Hiponakte, 2016
"+Felicity Martinez Interesting comment. And I can tell you that the word "guiri", used for foreigners, is originally Basque (I am from the Basque Country): in the Southern Basque Country (Spain) "christian" is said "kristau", whereas in the Northern Basque Country (France) "christian" is said "giristino" (the "g" in Basque is always pronounced soft, "gu"). So the Southern Basques began to refer to the Northern Basques with the derogatory contraction "guiri"(-stino). Nowadays the word is used with the meaning of "noisy and gaudy European (or White American) tourist"... and I would say that the word "guiri" is still derogatory, in the same league as "moro", "ni&&a"*, "spick" etc."
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22. Surf Florida, 2016
" "Guiri" is a term used in the whole country and not only in Andalucia. however it is is not synonym for white. Guiri is used to describe a foreigner, usually from northern European countries, who comes to Spain on holidays. A "guiri is a way to describe Europeans vacationing in Spain. If you move there to work or study you do not qualify as a "guiri" anymore :)"
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23. Northern Light, 2017
"Well its like that in Finland too. If someone is talking about "tumma tyttö" = dark girl it can mean that the girl has dark hair or that she has darker skin than average Finnish person. There are no official racial terms. So for me if someone called me "white boy" (like they seem to do in US), I would be ready to fight. I find describing me like that very offensive. I also know that if Finnish black person would call me "valkoinen poika" = white boy that he/she would try to offend me."
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24. Carmen Ferreras Santana, 2016
"I´m Dominican, my family is very diversy... In my home, we all have different skin tones, I have light skin and straight hair sisters and a brother, and black with afro hair sisters and brother... I´m also a black with afro hair... My parents call me "negra", my best friend and she has white skin and she calls me "morena", "negra" and I don´t mind because I know she´s not saying it in a bad way, some guys when they are flirting with me they call me "Negra" and obviesly is not racism... I think this words ain´t an issue until we become it into one. Is not the same to call a person "negra/o" that say "Ese/a negro/a" ... I mean the word by itself is hurtless.... You have to listen the all sentences or evaluate the all context of a conversation to judge the word as a racist instrument. Good bless you all, and remember that we are the same under our skins."
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25. Rocio, 2016
"It will always depends on how (tone) people say the word "NEGRA" for any hispanics and Spanish people you will be selected as a "Negra" but we don't mean it in a bad way but like a category. You are right people define Jennifer Lopez as a "MORENA" because she has dark skin but not very that dark black. Most of the people (specially hispanics) when they are talking to a black person will always say that you are "MORENA" because it sounds and it feels better to say in order to not feel uncomfortable.
I hope you understood sorry if you didn't get it lol I tried my best english hahaha
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26. Atheris Nebulosa, 2016
"I'm Spanish and we call black people negros/as and black people call themselves like that as well not only here but also in Latinoamérica. I do the same and even if they call you "negrita" is kind of cute, I don't think it is negative as well as calling white a white girl is not. Simply because there is nothing wrong in being black or white, it's just beautiful that human beings come in different shades and shapes. By the way in from Granada and I appreciate that you enjoyed Andalucía 👍 👋"
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27. Somewhere Always, 2016
"+Atheris Nebulosa I loooooooooooooved Granada- except the cold hahaha. Por eso me queda en Malaga!
Negro only bothers me because spain doesn't really acknowledge race. But then they'll call me negra instead of morena and say it's because of my race...🤔"
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28. Alberto Cano, 2016
"Gracias Guapa! Btw: there is an expression "estar negro" (being black) that only means being "mad" or very upset. It has no racist connotation. In Spanish there are 2 verbs "to be" and this is a bit confusing sometimes. Hasta pronto."
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29. Somewhere Always, 2016
"+Alberto Cano Yeah I doubt any racist intent is meant. It's a modern colloquialism. But more often than not linguistically black is bad and negative and white is pure and good. That's not a coincidence."
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30. Sara Rifat, 2016
"As well, depending on what part of Spain you go to they will call you Negra, Morena etc. I mean, in the South it's much more different that at the north and stuff like that."
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31. Rafa Cañizares, 2016
"Actually not. I was born in the South of Spain but currently I live in the North, so I can tell you there is not distinction between different parts of the country. All of the spaniards use words like "negra, mulata, morena, etc" by the context or referring a concrete race."
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32. DuskSunDawn, 2016
"Well, spanish people don't refer to themselves as "white" (blancos").
They refer to themselves as latins (latinos) or europeans ("europeos"). The social identity of spainish people is 1º) being from in Spain 2º) belonging to a latin country and having the latin culture 3º) belonging to catholic culture (if you don't include "catholic culture" inside the concept of "latin culture").
However, they are used to describe people using worrds like "árabes" (arabs), gitanos (spanish gipsies), gitano del este (easthern gipsies), "negros" (blacks).
Please notice that sometimes "negro"(black) is seen as a sign of racism. Some people prefer to call them "africanos"( african people")."
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33. DuskSunDawn, 2016
"About "morena". "Morena" is usually means "someone who has black hair".
However, "morena" also means "someone who has tanned skin".
They describe physical appearance, not race.
For example, some spanish people say "En América Latina las personas tienen una piel mas morena""("In Latin America people have darker skin tone")."
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34. Guido Duh, 2017
"Negro/negra are not really that offensive in the Spanish language in general but they might have some racist connotation sometimes and in some places more than others. Where I live we use negro and moreno almost indistinctly even for people with non obvious African ancestry as "el negro Araiza" (a T. V. presenter) or "el son de la negra" (a folk song). And we tend to add ito/ita diminutive endings that mimic Nahuatl honorific/diminutive ending tzin to make them sound even less racist (at least for our Mexican ears)."
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35. Ignacio de Puig, 2017
"well I'm from Spain and the word that people use the most to insult or offend black people is `negrata´. if u ever hear this word turn around call ¨la guardia civil and beat that guys but before they arrive."
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36. Rosario Navío, 2017
"Negra can both be good and racist"
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37. Ana León Martin, 2017
"it is more racist to say morena instead of negra, because that means being negra its not possitive. A lot of the black-spanish community is trying to show that negro or negra do not need eufemisims. Lots of love from Spain honey❤"
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38. Bill Asbell, 2017
"Morena means brunette in Spanish, Negra means black, pure and simple."
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39. NyFilmmaker32, 2017
"Bill Asbell Moreno is used to describe brunettes and brown skinned people in Spanish. Negro isn't used as much, and depending on the context can be perjorative"
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40. cilveti, 2017
"Late to the party but I just wanted to clarify that, as you have shown in your example, if someone uses negro as an adjective on you (ese chico negro) there is no problem, but if they use the word negro to DEFINE you (ese negro) then they are being racist, since they treat you as someone different than them just for being black"
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Black In Spain | Part 1
Somewhere Always Published on May 5, 2016
I'm talking about being Black again- SHOCKER! Some say Spain is racist. I say... well you've got to watch to find out! I was in Spain for over a year. Being Black abroad can be stressful, worrisome and overwhelming at times. *sigh*
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Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSFA8yWcrh8 for Part II of this vlog.
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD
Pancocojams Editor's Note:
These comments are given in chronological order with the oldest comments by year presented first, except for replies. Numbers are assigned to these comments for referencing purposes only.
1. Ramón Antonio Parada, 2016
"I'm Spanish (Galician) and I had an African American girlfriend from California. People from Spain would think that American perspective on race is way too complicated if they knew about it, but they don't know about it. I think you reflected this well in the video. I have used the words "American American" because my ex-girlfriend explained that it was the right word to use. She had to explain to me many things about American culture.
I think the reason that we use both negra and morena is because of we don't know what the right word is. There is not right word because 20 years ago there were only black people in a couple of cities in Spain. Most people use a word based on the level of brown of the skin, plain and simple. We also use the same words if a local white person gets a lot of tan. Some other people may have a more complex view like assume that all latin americans are morenas (being mulata a synonym) and americans & african will be negras but much less people than the first ones. But nobody will understand your complex view on this topic.
We are like naive for the good and for the bad. I want to think that most of the time we do well. Sometimes we want to be friendly and say something that would be inappropriate in the states, like if someone asks you "why your hair is that way?". In that case is just curiosity, that person didn't saw a hair like yours in their life. They don't remotely know about what you are thinking about. 99% of the people in Spain won't understand the hair part of this video.
Sadly we sometimes can be racist or too stereotypical and don't event notice. Some people will assume that black people are always the same: poor, foreigner and from african origin and will only be proven wrong if you clearly dress like a money person. That in part is because of our history, we lived in a dictatorship not long ago and we had little communication with other countries so most black people came to Spain less than ten years ago, were poor and started with small jobs or selling in the street. Hopefully this people are starting to have Spanish born children and starting to do well but still rich black people are mostly football players.
When I was a child in the small town were I was born Baltasar Magic King was always played by a white guy with the skin painted so 5 year olds would think it is the real Baltasar King and they would love it without realizing he is painted. Nobody with black skin or long white beard lived there so we did the best we could. And I think the same happened in the big cities like Madrid because I don't remember seein something different on TV. It was only after I was 20 that started seeing Baltasar played by a black guy in big cities. Children now have seen black people so now even 5 year olds can tell a fake Baltasar. Also there is now black people in my little town but Baltasar is still a painted white guy. Why is that? Magic Kings are played by volunteers, it wouldn't be polite to ask somebody to play certain role because of their beard or skin, and we are used to our fake Magic Kings but we have to paint them better.
I hope this helps. For any person who reads this if you are thinking about visiting Spain don't waste your precious time worrying about finding a racist person. Ignore him if you find one, you are better than him, and I hope you have a great time in Spain!"
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2. sa m, 2016
"About the negro/moreno issue... The word negro/a is just an adjective, and there's nothing wrong with that. When people try to avoid describing you as negro/a is really a red flag cause they think its a bad word when is not.
I've encountered situations when I've said that I'm a black person and they responded me by saying "no, you're just morena", and that's what's really offensive and racist."
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3. Sharrif Bey, 2017
"sa m - they are calling you by the name of your ancient ancestors whether they know it or not. Deeply melanin rich people that ruled the world and navigated the 7 seas, the Moors, hence, Moreno y Morena is Kool."
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4. Luna Ariyadi, 2016
"Idk why are people so pissed off! In Spanish "Negro" is just the name of a color. In America everytime you refer to someone you don't know you probably would say "that tall guy over there" or "the blond one". A white person is called "Blanco" and a black person is called "Negro". If Americans took the word "negro" to use it the wrong way it's not Spain's fault. My boyfriend is black and when we point someone to know who are we talking about if that person is black he would say "el negro" like any other person would. It would be racist if you said something wrong about it or add an insult like "puto negro" that's racist. But the word black alone just means black. Also "moreno" can be anybody with darker skin than pale."
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5. Somewhere Always, 2016
"+Luna Ariyadi this is pissed to you? I was extra calm. Also- I'm actually not the color Black, I'm brown. If calling me Negro is acknowledging my race - then Spaniards should acknowledge race in society not just in conversation."
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6. Sharrif Bey, 2017
"Luna Ariyadi - Moreno means Moor; lineage of all melanin rich people. Spain during the inquisition took over Al Andalusia which it was called before the defeat of the Moors at Granada."
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Luna Ariyadi, 2017
"Moreno doesn't mean moor, MORO means moor and is an offensive word. Moreno means "darker than white" I'm morena, if you see me outside you would call me morena, but I'm not African or from the North of Africa. Indonesian people are morenos, South American people are morenos. In history class we have always learned people who conquered the South of Spain were called "moros" not "morenos" because a lot of people from different ethnicities can be called moreno."
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8. Luna Ariyadi, 2017
"I'm not complaining about you, I'm generalizing people who don't fully know the meaning of some words and might have cultural shocks because of it. A person with African origins here are called "Africanos", "negros" or "personas de color". In the US you call an Afroamerican "black" right? here is the same thing. A white person is called white and a black person is called black, it is not racist, it is not meant to be an offensive word, it is in English but not in Spanish. Here even black people call "negro" to other black people, everybody does. Just like someone would call me "morena" and someone would call a white person "blanco". And if you don't like it tell people how would you like to be called instead and comprehensive people will understand."
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9. Sharrif Bey, 2017
"Black, and white being used to classify people for supremacy purposes came from Alfred Blumenbach, and Karolus Lineaus; its called a caste system, get it. You're right peoples all over the world that are deeply melanin enriched are also Moors, hence Moreno. Black being a nation of people doesn't exist, nor white. What people have been taught to use is connotative linguistics, instead of denotative. Its about knowing, not feelings."
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10. Amelia D, 2016
"I've been living in Spain for a month and before I came I saw so many videos about the racism here. I have experienced none of it fortunately. So many people said it would be racist but it actually wasn't. I hadn't even been called Morena. In Barcelona I had a convo about the racism in America and how police brutality was never new in the US. I guess I lived with a good host family. I just heard someone say el negro. That's all. knocks on wood"
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11. Amelia, 2016
"Also I don't think being called negro is racist. When I first started learning Spanish we learned that black (race) is negro. That's just what it is. It's a harsher word than Morena which is just like a "shade" but in Spanish id proudly say that I'm "negra" that's what it is. I feel like Asian ppl were highlighted more than blacks anyway. Like many would just refer to Asians as chinos. Which again means Chinese, but my friend who is Chinese, was always referred to as la China and never by her name. No one really bothered to find out her name. That I think was racist"
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12. NeccoWecco1, 2016
"You're called morena because you aren't as dark toned as many people who come from africa. It is racism, since you are being singled out for your skin tone, but it isnt necessarily mean they were treating it negatively. I'm a white foreigner in Spain and I have been treated both rudely (being called guiri) and others who treat me as everyone else in the community. I think, just as you stated, people often use words like negra, morena, guiri in a context that they think is non-offensive, but fail to realise that it is inherently offensive."
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13. NeccoWecco, 2016
"+moonbeeps Guiri is despective. It's saying "filthy foreigner", pointing out that you are different, dont fit in, and don't belong. Obviously, Guiri de mierda, is way worse."
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14. moonbeeps, 2016
"No it isnt, its just a way to refer to a very white person that looks german or english. If you say sguiri de mierda then ofcourse its despective..... Or negra de mierda. Ofcourse that despective. But just guiri or just negro is a way to refer to someone's phisical apearance. I know, im spanish. And its certainly doesnt mean filthy foreigner xDDD"
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15. Hiponakte, 2016
Where I live "morena" is (at least originally) the dark skinned Mediterranean type (moreno=moorish like), whereas "negra" is the subsaharan really black skinned type. Now, "morena" usually have a sexy ring, something like "my pretty dark skinned girl", and I think that black people prefer the word "moreno/a" than "negro/a" . The word "negra" is kind of neutral in Spain (but not always), and the word "negrita" (literally "little black girl"), used as "pretty black girl", may easily sound condescending. So I use "moreno/a" instead of "negro/a": language is always evolving, black people like it, and it sounds well and amicable.
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16. Hiponakte, 2016
"+SomewhereAlways Tee The problem is that the pair "black/white" was never really Spanish until the English American culture became the culture of the West (in the good and bad things). In Spanish "blanco" is (was?) someone who couldn't get any tan: those who pass from milky-white to crab-red in the sun. And "blanco" was not seen as a race. Now, with the trend of calling "moreno" to black people (something that in Latin America is much more established than in Spain) the meaning of "blanco" is also shifting: it can't be that my younger sister, who is very "blanca" (she can't get any tan, no matter how much she tries), and me, who can get quite a tan, can't be from different "races", and even less from different "ethnicities". Language is evolving, we will see where all this thing ends."
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17. SomewhereAlways, 2016
"+Hiponakte which is precisely why I say it's relative. I take everyone as they are with their vocabulary but if I see a trend that Spaniards who are damn near the same color as me (and I've met QUITE a few) are considered morena but you call me negra. It makes me wonder. Especially when I've never heard any Spaniard use negra in a positive tone. In other situations (mainly in America) speaking Spanish- I don't blink an eye. But let's not forget that the concept of race (caucasoid, negroid etc) originated in Europe. slavery perpetuated it in Europe AND America. Its just developed into a different idea in America than in Europe."
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18. Hiponakte, 2016
"+SomewhereAlways Tee A dark Spanish woman (or a dark Moroccan woman etc.) is "morena", but not "negra", because traditionally "morena" was "dark Mediterranean", and nobody would mistake you with a native Andalusian, or Moroccan, Sicilian, Tunisian etc. Anyway, I'd like to point out this: the black people that we have in Spain (from Senegal, Mali, Nigeria...) have not experienced the association of race and slavery that the black people in the Americas have suffered, nor the post slavery history of legal segregation or de facto segregation... they have another story and history: they are migrants and unskilled workers in a country where is not easy to find a job. So they have had difficult experiences and traumas... but different from that of the African Americans.
Another interesting difference between the USA and Spain is that in Spain the ethnicities that have been traditionally more discriminated against are not the blacks, but the "gitanos" (gypsies) and "moros" (North African or Middle Eastern Muslims). The Gypsies and the Muslims have been wronged, the Gypsies and Muslims have "persecution paranoia" and integration problems, but the blacks are regarded as peaceful and hardworking (the situation in France is just the same, but with a much older black community)."
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19. Felicity Martinez, 2016
"I am mixed and Spanish and the word for me is "mulata", but sometimes as an insult i have been called "negra + [insert bad thing]". It depends on the connotation, but normally people refer to my mother (100% black african) as morena and me and my brother are "morenitos/mulatos". In Andalucia, where I'm from, people usually use "africano" for just black people because the majority of the black population are in fact African inmigrants. I hope this helps to clear it ;)"
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20. Felicity Martinez, 2016
"Also, in Andalucia they call white people (as in White americans, germans, english, etc) "guiris", which they dont' consider themselves or any mediterranean people to be in the same category."
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21. Hiponakte, 2016
"+Felicity Martinez Interesting comment. And I can tell you that the word "guiri", used for foreigners, is originally Basque (I am from the Basque Country): in the Southern Basque Country (Spain) "christian" is said "kristau", whereas in the Northern Basque Country (France) "christian" is said "giristino" (the "g" in Basque is always pronounced soft, "gu"). So the Southern Basques began to refer to the Northern Basques with the derogatory contraction "guiri"(-stino). Nowadays the word is used with the meaning of "noisy and gaudy European (or White American) tourist"... and I would say that the word "guiri" is still derogatory, in the same league as "moro", "ni&&a"*, "spick" etc."
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22. Surf Florida, 2016
" "Guiri" is a term used in the whole country and not only in Andalucia. however it is is not synonym for white. Guiri is used to describe a foreigner, usually from northern European countries, who comes to Spain on holidays. A "guiri is a way to describe Europeans vacationing in Spain. If you move there to work or study you do not qualify as a "guiri" anymore :)"
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23. Northern Light, 2017
"Well its like that in Finland too. If someone is talking about "tumma tyttö" = dark girl it can mean that the girl has dark hair or that she has darker skin than average Finnish person. There are no official racial terms. So for me if someone called me "white boy" (like they seem to do in US), I would be ready to fight. I find describing me like that very offensive. I also know that if Finnish black person would call me "valkoinen poika" = white boy that he/she would try to offend me."
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24. Carmen Ferreras Santana, 2016
"I´m Dominican, my family is very diversy... In my home, we all have different skin tones, I have light skin and straight hair sisters and a brother, and black with afro hair sisters and brother... I´m also a black with afro hair... My parents call me "negra", my best friend and she has white skin and she calls me "morena", "negra" and I don´t mind because I know she´s not saying it in a bad way, some guys when they are flirting with me they call me "Negra" and obviesly is not racism... I think this words ain´t an issue until we become it into one. Is not the same to call a person "negra/o" that say "Ese/a negro/a" ... I mean the word by itself is hurtless.... You have to listen the all sentences or evaluate the all context of a conversation to judge the word as a racist instrument. Good bless you all, and remember that we are the same under our skins."
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25. Rocio, 2016
"It will always depends on how (tone) people say the word "NEGRA" for any hispanics and Spanish people you will be selected as a "Negra" but we don't mean it in a bad way but like a category. You are right people define Jennifer Lopez as a "MORENA" because she has dark skin but not very that dark black. Most of the people (specially hispanics) when they are talking to a black person will always say that you are "MORENA" because it sounds and it feels better to say in order to not feel uncomfortable.
I hope you understood sorry if you didn't get it lol I tried my best english hahaha
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26. Atheris Nebulosa, 2016
"I'm Spanish and we call black people negros/as and black people call themselves like that as well not only here but also in Latinoamérica. I do the same and even if they call you "negrita" is kind of cute, I don't think it is negative as well as calling white a white girl is not. Simply because there is nothing wrong in being black or white, it's just beautiful that human beings come in different shades and shapes. By the way in from Granada and I appreciate that you enjoyed Andalucía 👍 👋"
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27. Somewhere Always, 2016
"+Atheris Nebulosa I loooooooooooooved Granada- except the cold hahaha. Por eso me queda en Malaga!
Negro only bothers me because spain doesn't really acknowledge race. But then they'll call me negra instead of morena and say it's because of my race...🤔"
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28. Alberto Cano, 2016
"Gracias Guapa! Btw: there is an expression "estar negro" (being black) that only means being "mad" or very upset. It has no racist connotation. In Spanish there are 2 verbs "to be" and this is a bit confusing sometimes. Hasta pronto."
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29. Somewhere Always, 2016
"+Alberto Cano Yeah I doubt any racist intent is meant. It's a modern colloquialism. But more often than not linguistically black is bad and negative and white is pure and good. That's not a coincidence."
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30. Sara Rifat, 2016
"As well, depending on what part of Spain you go to they will call you Negra, Morena etc. I mean, in the South it's much more different that at the north and stuff like that."
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31. Rafa Cañizares, 2016
"Actually not. I was born in the South of Spain but currently I live in the North, so I can tell you there is not distinction between different parts of the country. All of the spaniards use words like "negra, mulata, morena, etc" by the context or referring a concrete race."
**
32. DuskSunDawn, 2016
"Well, spanish people don't refer to themselves as "white" (blancos").
They refer to themselves as latins (latinos) or europeans ("europeos"). The social identity of spainish people is 1º) being from in Spain 2º) belonging to a latin country and having the latin culture 3º) belonging to catholic culture (if you don't include "catholic culture" inside the concept of "latin culture").
However, they are used to describe people using worrds like "árabes" (arabs), gitanos (spanish gipsies), gitano del este (easthern gipsies), "negros" (blacks).
Please notice that sometimes "negro"(black) is seen as a sign of racism. Some people prefer to call them "africanos"( african people")."
**
33. DuskSunDawn, 2016
"About "morena". "Morena" is usually means "someone who has black hair".
However, "morena" also means "someone who has tanned skin".
They describe physical appearance, not race.
For example, some spanish people say "En América Latina las personas tienen una piel mas morena""("In Latin America people have darker skin tone")."
**
34. Guido Duh, 2017
"Negro/negra are not really that offensive in the Spanish language in general but they might have some racist connotation sometimes and in some places more than others. Where I live we use negro and moreno almost indistinctly even for people with non obvious African ancestry as "el negro Araiza" (a T. V. presenter) or "el son de la negra" (a folk song). And we tend to add ito/ita diminutive endings that mimic Nahuatl honorific/diminutive ending tzin to make them sound even less racist (at least for our Mexican ears)."
**
35. Ignacio de Puig, 2017
"well I'm from Spain and the word that people use the most to insult or offend black people is `negrata´. if u ever hear this word turn around call ¨la guardia civil and beat that guys but before they arrive."
**
36. Rosario Navío, 2017
"Negra can both be good and racist"
**
37. Ana León Martin, 2017
"it is more racist to say morena instead of negra, because that means being negra its not possitive. A lot of the black-spanish community is trying to show that negro or negra do not need eufemisims. Lots of love from Spain honey❤"
**
38. Bill Asbell, 2017
"Morena means brunette in Spanish, Negra means black, pure and simple."
**
Reply
39. NyFilmmaker32, 2017
"Bill Asbell Moreno is used to describe brunettes and brown skinned people in Spanish. Negro isn't used as much, and depending on the context can be perjorative"
**
40. cilveti, 2017
"Late to the party but I just wanted to clarify that, as you have shown in your example, if someone uses negro as an adjective on you (ese chico negro) there is no problem, but if they use the word negro to DEFINE you (ese negro) then they are being racist, since they treat you as someone different than them just for being black"
****
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Thursday, July 27, 2017
Yvonne Chaka Chaka - Mamaland (information, video, comments)
Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post showcases a video of 1990s song "Mamaland" by South African singer Yvonne Chaka Chaka.
Information about Yvonne Chaka Chaka is included in the summary of this video.
Selected comments from this video's discussion thread are included in this post.
The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Yvonne Chaka Chaka for her musical legacy and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
****
SHOWCASE VIDEO: Yvonne Chacka chacka – Mamaland
yaz oshea Published on Mar 10, 2011
Yvonne has been on the forefront of South African music for over 15 years and still going strong.
Yvonne Chaka Chaka is always spinning gold. In 1985, when she was only 19 years old, Phil Hollis of Dephon Records discovered her in Johannesburg. Soon after she was introduced to record producers Rick Wolfe and Attie van Wyk. Her debut album "I'm in Love With a DJ" was released. It became tremendous hit.
Songs like "I'm burning Up" |"I'm in Love With a DJ"| "I Cry for Freedom" |"Makoti" |"Motherland" and the ever-popular, "Umqombothi" immediately insured Yvonne's status as star in South Africa music scene. Continuing to release hit after hit, her subsequent award winning albums were : "Burning Up" |"Sangoma" |"Who's The Boss" "Motherland" |" Be Proud to be African"| "Thank You Mr DJ" |"Back on my Feet"|"Rhythm of Life" |"Who's got the Power" |"The Best Of Yvonne Chaka Chaka" |"Bombani ( Tiko Rahini)| "Power of Afrika"|"Yvonne and Friends" and "Kwenzenjani"..
For her artistic achievement Yvonne has won the "Ngomo Award" (the "Grand Prix Pan African de la Chanson" in Zaire), as well as the "FNB/SAMA Awards" for the best female singer. Yvonne has also worked with noted producers Sello 'Chicco' Twala and Gabi LeRoux. The African Music Encyclopedia says of Yvonne, "Chaka-Chaka's powerful alto voice, along with her finely-crafted and arranged material, account for her wide popularity."
-snip-
Statistics (as of July 27, 2017 at 8:07 AM)
total views: 1,418,900
likes: 3,420 ; dislikes: 257
total # of comments: 556
****
SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD
These selected comments document commenters' high opinions of Yvonne Chaka Chaka and this song.
These selected comments also are a small sample of the expressions of affection that commenters wrote about their own African nation as well as expressions of a desire for African unity. In addition, these selected comments demonstrate the wide reach of recorded music from a specific African nation throughout the entire African continent.
Numbers are assigned for referencing purposes only.
2013
1. Chica Delarosa
"I Love my Mamaland Congo/Afrika"
**
2. Kweku Takyi-Annan
"Africa/Ghana"
****
2014
3. lord isaac
"This song give me power when i hear it.....because i remember where i come frome, i really miss you mama Africa... for Africa forever..!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
**
4. Anna Andreas
"I am born free ,but i am great fan of old school .BIG FAN OF IVONNE CHAKA CHAKA LOVE FROM NAMIBIA."
**
5. Sydonia3 years ago
My grandma had the entire VHS of all her songs! This was all that played in our house. 1997, good times
****
2015
6. abdiaziz ahmed osman
"southafrica people dont respect othere african people they kill them naglet them they forget there fredome were give by othere african country shame to south african people i heat them"
-snip-
"Heat" here is a typo for "hate".
**
Reply
7. Solomon Modisha, 2016
"+abdiaziz ahmed osman please don't "heat" us man, not all South Africans are xenophobic.come to the Madiba land you will see."
**
Reply
8. raan chol, 2016
"+Solomon Modisha I know majority of South African people are good people who love Africa and their African brothers and sisters. When the apartheid was being practiced, all African people were supporting brothers and sister from South Africa but the incident that happened in South Africa by killing other Africa is big embarrassment and betrayal to all Africa people in this world."
**
9. Gabriel Komango
"my land.... TANGANYIKA / TANZANIA"
**
10. Shell Winchester
"mama land África, my first mama i really miss you, and i love you so much... Áfricaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... Angolaaa!!!"
**
11. Vidakon Jemusse
"Chokwe at Gaza, South of Mozambique,.... Makweniu wa Maxangane..... Peace From Mozambique"
**
12. Ismael Botan
"My mamaland somalia africa am proud to be african where our culture teach us to respect the old and the young ones am realy proud of whom i am"
**
13. hlaloso moreri
"my mamaland-Botswana/Africa"
**
14. M.S K
"Zambia✊ Africa Mamaland"
**
15. Evans Machera
"A celebratory song by African greatest song bird."
**
16. Silver Back
"One Love mama Africa. From S.Leone Westside Africa."
**
17. thadmans
"Africa is indeed our mamaland. Travelled from Kenya to RSA in June for the first time and still felt that I was still at home."
**
18. Bint Mohammed
"Ethiopia , Africa mamaland"
**
19. Martila Omba
"I luv my mamaland Congo DRC/Zambia"
****
2016
20. Nona Ford
"This song reminds me of those turn up weddings and parties!"
**
21. Chol Akuany
"My Mamaland Africa, Yvone Chacka Chacka has said it all. Stop fighting yourselves my people. Why is this tribal division among some Africans tribes? South Sudan, Dinka and Nuer used to inter-marry and did barter trade with one another until the money came along which in turn made some individuals like Riek Machar lust for even more. The 1991 & 2013 episodes are just examples. Greed is dividing my people and blinding them from realizing the truth. And what is the truth? There is no truth when you pick up a gun and kill innocent people. To the peaceful African nations, I thank you for being there for Africa, our Mamaland"
**
Reply
22. ntege samuel, 2017
"Chol Akuany
Also i wish S. Sudan people can wake up & stop murdering Ugandans like insects. We have taken you in as refugees & no one has been killed in here by a Ugandan. I the same way you should treat us well. Stop hooliganism its not the way to go in this modern era. If Ugandans werent good to you then you wdnt have come in here. Ugandan are peaceful & hospitable....& so should be you S. Sudanese. Treat us well...we sell food to you not because there no other markets but we know you are a desert helpless country. Finally we wish you well S.Sudan no matter how you kill us in your land."
**
23. Loice Mukandi
"Oh yes my mama land lots of love from Zimbabwe"
**
24. Jossey Kibebe
"you are such amazing lady,queen of africa i like the song truely africa is our mother land,it is our home and we are home to stay,lets practice peace,love and unity to our mother land God bless africa"
**
25. GLORIA 256
"Am from Uganda and I love Africa ma mama land God bless South Africans the freedom fighters 👏👏👏👏👏"
**
26. Social Streaming
"Stop killing, stop killing, it's our motherland Africa, very iconic music!"
27. Baba Theo Chriss
"Am Tanzanian my mamaland country. proud to be African.."
**
28. Daniel Boateng
"Her songs really contributed South Africa freedom. Big up Yvonne"
**
29. Givemore Chiguvare
"YAAAH wenever i go to a NEW AFRICAN PLACE I PLAY THIS ONE."
**
30. migxgy
"Always played this song at parties"
**
31. morenikespring #apple
"these were our beyonces"
**
32. Rufus J. Kerkulah
"From Gbarnga, Bong County, Liberia to South Africa with love."
**
33. Kenny Chukwu
"In character, in manner, in style, in all the things, the supreme excellence is simplicity. Like all magnificent things, she is an epitome of beauty and class. #Naija."
**
34. Jacob Paulo
"my thanks giving from Angola, love this song so much Chaka"
**
35. thamsanqa nyathi
"I waz young by then in rural areas listening to radio 2 before it waz named radio Zimbabwe,gne are the day's"
**
36. BE8Y LUBEGA
"I miss my mama land, just thought of Chaka Chaka one of the music icons of the 90s. Missing you Africa..."
**
37. Annah Makhoshi
"I am happy to be at African. I'm coming from Ghana I love south Africa it make me happy here"
**
38. Kbc Construction
"the time wen she was young looking good that we fighting apartheid in Namibia remind me my fellow whose gone with war"
**
39. samantha gloria
"Kbc Construction She still looks good,watched her on BBC hard talk one day ago"
**
40. jimmy heguye
"♨❤ l should give huge all Mother in Village!😀&dance with them😀My heart fired to Mother land home village! l feel so much to them!"
**
41. rumbie portia
"My roots are here in Africa....nyc song"
-snip-
“nyc song” = “nice song” and not New York City song
**
42. Regina Drescher
"Those were the good old days were no internet or mobile existed,millenials will never know how good it felt. Thank you Yvonne,you have no idea how many hearts you changed during your time.I give thanks to you..Thank you princess of Africa"
**
43. Femme Fatale
"yvonne chaka chaka in ZAÏRE ♥♥"
**
44. Bertin Ngindu
"So proud to be an African...my mamaland Tanzania/DRC"
**
45. Sidiki Fofana
"I am not from sudafrika but I love it realy all afrika are brothers"
****
2017
46. Charles Lotara
"Those were more than just musicians but were iconic freedom fighters through their songs! You made us proud of our motherland, we love you, we love Africa!"
**
48. James Ndula
"Yvonne was actually asking African countries to stop fighting and unite to become one, unfortunately that didn't happen"
**
49. Gabriel Mandlenkosi Vundla
"africa start from cape town to cairo,so all countries which are in this continent must get united not fight,nigerians are my brothers,zimbabweans are my sisters,so stop fighting guys"
**
50. polycap orina
"produced at the height of Racism...I listened to this as a kid,And will still bomb to hit"
**
51. stephen mugisha
"mam land so great,am Rwanda and proud to be so, i love ur music!!!"
**
52. Chris Tifana chikafa Tifana
"Yoh! aunt you suppose to continue singing please, i like all your songs maam"
**
53. Sebongile Nkachela Baggio
"my mamaland a better land, my home town. before cell phones take over"
**
54. Julius Chacha
"I remember those days 1992 when my uncles used to play kinanda."
**
55. jiya jalaqsan
"I love my motherland in somali"
**
56. Onasis Kanika Since88
"Am from Zambia Africa is my motherland let's not kill each other Africa unite. One love brothers and sisters"
**
57. Mula chain
"I am proud to be Congolese (DRC)"
**
58. ispm quartoano
"sory abaut my inglish im Mozambican. I love this song i rember my infacnc 7 year s old mamaland from Yvone .i never forget you."
**
59. Gisele Belole
"part of the video done in Kinshasa -Zaïre (DRC)"
**
60. Vannuge Jiiko
"I remember this song when I was young back in Malawi I feel so emotional now I miss you mama land the warm heart of Africa"
**
61. Vhuramai Chimbindi
"its true this Africa is our mama land why are we fighting for. lets not divide our selves"
**
62. maikano Rabe
"You contributed a lot in saving south Africa from the apartheid ruling. Great and tremendous zulu voice. It me remembered Dabezitao un Chakra zulu movie."
**
63. james pa92
"Childhood jam!!!"
**
64. Tracy Justice
"my mama land Tanzania, proud to be Tanzanian watching from the USA"
**
65. Lucy Leopold
"i real mic my home town my mama land Tanzania...from sweden"
**
66. JDOUG757
"being a black american, I envy u guys so much. we don't know where we are from. we are so lost...MAMA AFRICA I LOVE YOU!!! I MISS U!!!"
**
67. Willy Kabuya EL GANADOR
"i love africa proud To be congolese. my land"
**
68. Vivi Cruz
"Hi, I'm Cape Verdean, I love this rhythm, how I wanted to understand the lyrics, Kisses"
**
Reply
69. Tonny Okello
"Ni we nakupenda , ni we Mamaland - It a swahili phrase that translates literally : It is you I love, it is you my motherland."
**
70. Lionel Pessi Aka El Vomito
"BURUNDI forever"
**
71. mike koechner
"my mama land Kenya. watching from Doha Qatar. I miss my home Africa..."
**
72. OMBENI MIHWELA
"i love and i proud with african mucian who was sing the song of liberazation"
****
Thanks for visiting pancocojams.
Visitor comments are welcome.
This pancocojams post showcases a video of 1990s song "Mamaland" by South African singer Yvonne Chaka Chaka.
Information about Yvonne Chaka Chaka is included in the summary of this video.
Selected comments from this video's discussion thread are included in this post.
The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Yvonne Chaka Chaka for her musical legacy and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
****
SHOWCASE VIDEO: Yvonne Chacka chacka – Mamaland
yaz oshea Published on Mar 10, 2011
Yvonne has been on the forefront of South African music for over 15 years and still going strong.
Yvonne Chaka Chaka is always spinning gold. In 1985, when she was only 19 years old, Phil Hollis of Dephon Records discovered her in Johannesburg. Soon after she was introduced to record producers Rick Wolfe and Attie van Wyk. Her debut album "I'm in Love With a DJ" was released. It became tremendous hit.
Songs like "I'm burning Up" |"I'm in Love With a DJ"| "I Cry for Freedom" |"Makoti" |"Motherland" and the ever-popular, "Umqombothi" immediately insured Yvonne's status as star in South Africa music scene. Continuing to release hit after hit, her subsequent award winning albums were : "Burning Up" |"Sangoma" |"Who's The Boss" "Motherland" |" Be Proud to be African"| "Thank You Mr DJ" |"Back on my Feet"|"Rhythm of Life" |"Who's got the Power" |"The Best Of Yvonne Chaka Chaka" |"Bombani ( Tiko Rahini)| "Power of Afrika"|"Yvonne and Friends" and "Kwenzenjani"..
For her artistic achievement Yvonne has won the "Ngomo Award" (the "Grand Prix Pan African de la Chanson" in Zaire), as well as the "FNB/SAMA Awards" for the best female singer. Yvonne has also worked with noted producers Sello 'Chicco' Twala and Gabi LeRoux. The African Music Encyclopedia says of Yvonne, "Chaka-Chaka's powerful alto voice, along with her finely-crafted and arranged material, account for her wide popularity."
-snip-
Statistics (as of July 27, 2017 at 8:07 AM)
total views: 1,418,900
likes: 3,420 ; dislikes: 257
total # of comments: 556
****
SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD
These selected comments document commenters' high opinions of Yvonne Chaka Chaka and this song.
These selected comments also are a small sample of the expressions of affection that commenters wrote about their own African nation as well as expressions of a desire for African unity. In addition, these selected comments demonstrate the wide reach of recorded music from a specific African nation throughout the entire African continent.
Numbers are assigned for referencing purposes only.
2013
1. Chica Delarosa
"I Love my Mamaland Congo/Afrika"
**
2. Kweku Takyi-Annan
"Africa/Ghana"
****
2014
3. lord isaac
"This song give me power when i hear it.....because i remember where i come frome, i really miss you mama Africa... for Africa forever..!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
**
4. Anna Andreas
"I am born free ,but i am great fan of old school .BIG FAN OF IVONNE CHAKA CHAKA LOVE FROM NAMIBIA."
**
5. Sydonia3 years ago
My grandma had the entire VHS of all her songs! This was all that played in our house. 1997, good times
****
2015
6. abdiaziz ahmed osman
"southafrica people dont respect othere african people they kill them naglet them they forget there fredome were give by othere african country shame to south african people i heat them"
-snip-
"Heat" here is a typo for "hate".
**
Reply
7. Solomon Modisha, 2016
"+abdiaziz ahmed osman please don't "heat" us man, not all South Africans are xenophobic.come to the Madiba land you will see."
**
Reply
8. raan chol, 2016
"+Solomon Modisha I know majority of South African people are good people who love Africa and their African brothers and sisters. When the apartheid was being practiced, all African people were supporting brothers and sister from South Africa but the incident that happened in South Africa by killing other Africa is big embarrassment and betrayal to all Africa people in this world."
**
9. Gabriel Komango
"my land.... TANGANYIKA / TANZANIA"
**
10. Shell Winchester
"mama land África, my first mama i really miss you, and i love you so much... Áfricaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... Angolaaa!!!"
**
11. Vidakon Jemusse
"Chokwe at Gaza, South of Mozambique,.... Makweniu wa Maxangane..... Peace From Mozambique"
**
12. Ismael Botan
"My mamaland somalia africa am proud to be african where our culture teach us to respect the old and the young ones am realy proud of whom i am"
**
13. hlaloso moreri
"my mamaland-Botswana/Africa"
**
14. M.S K
"Zambia✊ Africa Mamaland"
**
15. Evans Machera
"A celebratory song by African greatest song bird."
**
16. Silver Back
"One Love mama Africa. From S.Leone Westside Africa."
**
17. thadmans
"Africa is indeed our mamaland. Travelled from Kenya to RSA in June for the first time and still felt that I was still at home."
**
18. Bint Mohammed
"Ethiopia , Africa mamaland"
**
19. Martila Omba
"I luv my mamaland Congo DRC/Zambia"
****
2016
20. Nona Ford
"This song reminds me of those turn up weddings and parties!"
**
21. Chol Akuany
"My Mamaland Africa, Yvone Chacka Chacka has said it all. Stop fighting yourselves my people. Why is this tribal division among some Africans tribes? South Sudan, Dinka and Nuer used to inter-marry and did barter trade with one another until the money came along which in turn made some individuals like Riek Machar lust for even more. The 1991 & 2013 episodes are just examples. Greed is dividing my people and blinding them from realizing the truth. And what is the truth? There is no truth when you pick up a gun and kill innocent people. To the peaceful African nations, I thank you for being there for Africa, our Mamaland"
**
Reply
22. ntege samuel, 2017
"Chol Akuany
Also i wish S. Sudan people can wake up & stop murdering Ugandans like insects. We have taken you in as refugees & no one has been killed in here by a Ugandan. I the same way you should treat us well. Stop hooliganism its not the way to go in this modern era. If Ugandans werent good to you then you wdnt have come in here. Ugandan are peaceful & hospitable....& so should be you S. Sudanese. Treat us well...we sell food to you not because there no other markets but we know you are a desert helpless country. Finally we wish you well S.Sudan no matter how you kill us in your land."
**
23. Loice Mukandi
"Oh yes my mama land lots of love from Zimbabwe"
**
24. Jossey Kibebe
"you are such amazing lady,queen of africa i like the song truely africa is our mother land,it is our home and we are home to stay,lets practice peace,love and unity to our mother land God bless africa"
**
25. GLORIA 256
"Am from Uganda and I love Africa ma mama land God bless South Africans the freedom fighters 👏👏👏👏👏"
**
26. Social Streaming
"Stop killing, stop killing, it's our motherland Africa, very iconic music!"
27. Baba Theo Chriss
"Am Tanzanian my mamaland country. proud to be African.."
**
28. Daniel Boateng
"Her songs really contributed South Africa freedom. Big up Yvonne"
**
29. Givemore Chiguvare
"YAAAH wenever i go to a NEW AFRICAN PLACE I PLAY THIS ONE."
**
30. migxgy
"Always played this song at parties"
**
31. morenikespring #apple
"these were our beyonces"
**
32. Rufus J. Kerkulah
"From Gbarnga, Bong County, Liberia to South Africa with love."
**
33. Kenny Chukwu
"In character, in manner, in style, in all the things, the supreme excellence is simplicity. Like all magnificent things, she is an epitome of beauty and class. #Naija."
**
34. Jacob Paulo
"my thanks giving from Angola, love this song so much Chaka"
**
35. thamsanqa nyathi
"I waz young by then in rural areas listening to radio 2 before it waz named radio Zimbabwe,gne are the day's"
**
36. BE8Y LUBEGA
"I miss my mama land, just thought of Chaka Chaka one of the music icons of the 90s. Missing you Africa..."
**
37. Annah Makhoshi
"I am happy to be at African. I'm coming from Ghana I love south Africa it make me happy here"
**
38. Kbc Construction
"the time wen she was young looking good that we fighting apartheid in Namibia remind me my fellow whose gone with war"
**
39. samantha gloria
"Kbc Construction She still looks good,watched her on BBC hard talk one day ago"
**
40. jimmy heguye
"♨❤ l should give huge all Mother in Village!😀&dance with them😀My heart fired to Mother land home village! l feel so much to them!"
**
41. rumbie portia
"My roots are here in Africa....nyc song"
-snip-
“nyc song” = “nice song” and not New York City song
**
42. Regina Drescher
"Those were the good old days were no internet or mobile existed,millenials will never know how good it felt. Thank you Yvonne,you have no idea how many hearts you changed during your time.I give thanks to you..Thank you princess of Africa"
**
43. Femme Fatale
"yvonne chaka chaka in ZAÏRE ♥♥"
**
44. Bertin Ngindu
"So proud to be an African...my mamaland Tanzania/DRC"
**
45. Sidiki Fofana
"I am not from sudafrika but I love it realy all afrika are brothers"
****
2017
46. Charles Lotara
"Those were more than just musicians but were iconic freedom fighters through their songs! You made us proud of our motherland, we love you, we love Africa!"
**
48. James Ndula
"Yvonne was actually asking African countries to stop fighting and unite to become one, unfortunately that didn't happen"
**
49. Gabriel Mandlenkosi Vundla
"africa start from cape town to cairo,so all countries which are in this continent must get united not fight,nigerians are my brothers,zimbabweans are my sisters,so stop fighting guys"
**
50. polycap orina
"produced at the height of Racism...I listened to this as a kid,And will still bomb to hit"
**
51. stephen mugisha
"mam land so great,am Rwanda and proud to be so, i love ur music!!!"
**
52. Chris Tifana chikafa Tifana
"Yoh! aunt you suppose to continue singing please, i like all your songs maam"
**
53. Sebongile Nkachela Baggio
"my mamaland a better land, my home town. before cell phones take over"
**
54. Julius Chacha
"I remember those days 1992 when my uncles used to play kinanda."
**
55. jiya jalaqsan
"I love my motherland in somali"
**
56. Onasis Kanika Since88
"Am from Zambia Africa is my motherland let's not kill each other Africa unite. One love brothers and sisters"
**
57. Mula chain
"I am proud to be Congolese (DRC)"
**
58. ispm quartoano
"sory abaut my inglish im Mozambican. I love this song i rember my infacnc 7 year s old mamaland from Yvone .i never forget you."
**
59. Gisele Belole
"part of the video done in Kinshasa -Zaïre (DRC)"
**
60. Vannuge Jiiko
"I remember this song when I was young back in Malawi I feel so emotional now I miss you mama land the warm heart of Africa"
**
61. Vhuramai Chimbindi
"its true this Africa is our mama land why are we fighting for. lets not divide our selves"
**
62. maikano Rabe
"You contributed a lot in saving south Africa from the apartheid ruling. Great and tremendous zulu voice. It me remembered Dabezitao un Chakra zulu movie."
**
63. james pa92
"Childhood jam!!!"
**
64. Tracy Justice
"my mama land Tanzania, proud to be Tanzanian watching from the USA"
**
65. Lucy Leopold
"i real mic my home town my mama land Tanzania...from sweden"
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66. JDOUG757
"being a black american, I envy u guys so much. we don't know where we are from. we are so lost...MAMA AFRICA I LOVE YOU!!! I MISS U!!!"
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67. Willy Kabuya EL GANADOR
"i love africa proud To be congolese. my land"
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68. Vivi Cruz
"Hi, I'm Cape Verdean, I love this rhythm, how I wanted to understand the lyrics, Kisses"
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69. Tonny Okello
"Ni we nakupenda , ni we Mamaland - It a swahili phrase that translates literally : It is you I love, it is you my motherland."
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70. Lionel Pessi Aka El Vomito
"BURUNDI forever"
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71. mike koechner
"my mama land Kenya. watching from Doha Qatar. I miss my home Africa..."
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72. OMBENI MIHWELA
"i love and i proud with african mucian who was sing the song of liberazation"
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Wednesday, July 26, 2017
Selected YouTube Discussion Sub-Thread About Whether Black People From Britain "Talk White"
Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post showcases selected comments from a YouTube video's discussion thread. Those selected comments are part of a sub-thread in which people discuss whether Black people from Britain speak the same as White people from that country. That topic grew out of larger discussion prompted by the theme of the spoke word composition which addressed the idea of Black people "talking like they are White".
The African American spoken word video that led to this discussion is also featured in this post.
The Addendum to this post quotes two comments from a hyperlinked article entitled "In the U.K., do black people have a distinct dialect in the same way that there is a black dialect in the U.S.?"
The content of this post is presented for folkloric, linguistics, and socio-cultural purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Ernestine Johnson for her spoken word composition and thanks to Arsenio Hall for featuring that spoken word performance on his television show. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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This is part of an ongoing pancocojams series on "African American Vernacular English", "code switching" and other related linguistics customs.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/07/selected-comments-from-2012-online.html for a closely related pancocojams post entitled "Selected Comments From A 2012 Online Discussion About Young White Londoners "Talking Black" "
Also, click the tags below to find other posts in this series.
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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Ernestine Johnson Performs 'The Average Black Girl' on Arsenio Hall Show
Ernestine Johnson, Published on Apr 14, 2014
Ernestine Johnson kicks off the show with an amazing and moving performance of "The Average Black Girl." You will get chills from this performance.
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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S COMMENT ABOUT THE TERM "EBONICS"
The term "Ebonics" is frequently used in these featured comments to basically mean the same thing as "African American Vernacular English". However, the term "Ebonics" has its own history in the United States and isn't formally used by American linguists and/or American professionals. Furthermore, few African Americans formally or informally use the term "Ebonics" to refer to the ways that individual Black Americans speak or write some of the time or all of the time.
Click http://www.pbs.org/speak/seatosea/americanvarieties/AAVE/ebonics/ for information about "Ebonics".
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SELECTED COMMENTS
These comments are part of the sub-thread that is described above. Comments that were posted to date (July 26, 2017 5:54 PM) that aren't quoted in this post were either entirely made up of profanity abbreviations or were exchanges about religion that have nothing to do with this specific topic.
Numbers are assigned to these comments for referencing purposes only.
1. Qopel, 2015
"How come in England, the blacks talk just the same as the whites? No Ebonics, no accent. I couldn't tell a white from a black British person over the phone. Go figure."
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2.Thabiso Mhlaba, 2015
"Most British people have much crazier accents than most American ones as far as deciphering the meaning of a sentence."
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3. tatyee, 2015
"they actually do. You don't live in Britain so i'm not surprised you can't tell the difference. I have black british friends that make fun of black britains that "talk white." britain has plenty different accents. it's just racial divide isn't as severe or outright in britain. less morons there"
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4. ellensarah, 2015
"I'm from England and I was kind of wondering if the accents differ as much in the UK as they apparently do in the US. I actually grew up around a lot of black people because my school was international but they mostly had Nigerian accents (with some English mixed in depending on how long they'd been at the school). Now I'm in university all the black friends I have seem to speak with the same accent I do, and in the case of the one northern girl she sounds the same as the other white northern girls. We definitely discriminate based on accents but I think it's usually based on a colourless class discrimination, rather than race."
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5. Javan uHnah, 2015
"Black londoners have created their own ebonics actually. Ignorant."
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6. Qopel, 2015
"+Javan uHnah
..and they sound American when they sing."
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7. tatyee, 2015
"+Qopel I've noticed that too. that could be for commercial appeal though. like Iggy Azalea tryna sound like she's from the South when she raps."
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8. Javan uHnah, 2015
"+Qopel Who are you referring to?...."
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9. Qopel, 2015
"+Javan uHnah
The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and all other British bands"
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10. Javan uHnah, 2015
"The beatles and rolling stones do not have american accents (when they sing) liar."
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11. Qopel, 2015
"+Javan uHnah
Oh, right...they have Chinese accents...my bad."
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12. Javan uHnah, 2015
"+Qopel The beatles are all Liverpudlian. And yes, although that may have similarities to an American accent. It's still a british accent. The Rolling Stones did sing in american accents quite a lot tho. Thats true. Apologies.
However what does this have to do with black londoners? Who yes, have their own unique idiolect separate from of british people? Just like African Americans have ebonics."
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13. ellensarah, 2015
"+Javan uHnah
I have plenty of black friends who are from london and they all sound indistinguishable from white londeners."
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14. pikanoob, 2015
"because its entirely cultural"
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15. Javan uHnah, 2015
"+ellensarah Listen to grime artist and you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. Are watch kidulthood. That type of idiolect was pioneered by black brits. Only in recent years, more white londoners have started to speak this way, because just like in America everyone wants to black nowadays."
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16. ellensarah, 2015
"+Javan uHnah
I listened to some now but it all just kind of sounded like a typical working-class London accent to me, did you have a particular artist in mind?
In fact one video was a list of the best grime artists which included a white artist and a black artist and they both sounded like normal working-class Londoners."
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17. Javan uHnah, 2015
"+ellensarah There is a difference between cockney and the idiolect used by grime artists. I suppose it might seem similar to an outsider, but the vocabulary gives it away. For example, black people have come up with this phrase "mans just in ends", meaning "I'm at home".
In black londoner idiolect, people refer themselves in the 3rd person time, "mans", which means "I". That's something you wouldn't hear in a cockney accent.
Makes me wonder tho, why they haven't given this language an official name yet."
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18. GuYAh Berry, 2015
"+Javan uHnah You can identify me as a black Londoner but I don't speak like the Grime artists. I understand the point you are trying to make that but you are stereotypying in a way that Ernestine Johnson touches on. I think it would be better if you say most black Londoners speak like the Grime artists. However, maybe you haven't met many who don't :-)"
Also, in most Northern England dialects, they refer to themselves in 3rd person too, "Give us that " would be give me that", and they use the phrase "Me mam said you can take us there" meaning "My mum said you can take me there" So not just a black Londoner thing but actually it's colour and geographically-independent.
If you listen to the white Londoners, in East London or South, North or West they all have different accents- especially East London. This has nothing to do with Grime and has been like so for many decades.
"mans just in ends" actually means "I'm in my neighbourhood", "mans at yard" would be "I'm at home"
This just slang picked up over the years by people and it is definitely not limited to black people and I doubt it was solely created by them. Language changes very much over the years and it had done when black people did not live in the UK.
I don't mean any offense but your comments make it sound like you are a Londoner and every black person there speaks in the manner you describe: It is not specific to black people nor is it all black people XD.
Sorry for the long text Javan"
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19. Javan uHnah, 2015
"+Geraldine Abbey I'm a black londoner too, I don't speak like a grime artist either. This is getting tiresome
Do you know what a "road man" is? That's literally the kind of idiolect I'm talking about.
No any of that "me mam" liverpoolian stuff."
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20. ellensarah, 2015
"+Steven JG
Britain isn't big enough for different accents??"
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21. Chloe Calvin, 2015
"+Steven JG Yes they do, funny enough you brought up Jamaica because my parents are from there and Jamaica is Out of Many One People with different backgrounds and have different accents (thanks to SLAVERY). It is hard enough when the mainstream Kingston (the capital of Jamaica) street ghetto slang takes over the country's patios as the "national" language and Jamaica is only recognised for this dialect when the majority of the country speaks plain simple English.
I don't know why I bothered to answer your rhetorical question when clearly the answer is yes the "other small islands" you mean the rest of the WEST INDIES, YES they do have they're own accents as the British, French and the Spanish sold and trade slaves throughout Caribbean, so to answer your question the whole of the Caribbean has many different accents, some may sound the same but they're all different. I can tell difference with a person who speaks in Bajan Creole from a person from Trinidad right back down to Grenada to St Kitts.
Answering your previous comment Steven "Britain isn't large enough for people to for different accents" this statement makes you sound very stupid as Britain has the largest multicultural society in the world here in London where I live. The whole of the UK and Ireland have many different accents nationally and regionally. For an island the UK is a small world.
Ain't America unpopulated for it's size?
I had to educate your small mind and please enlighten me with your next reply I'll be looking forward to reading."
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Pancocojams Editor: Apparently, a question had been posted in this sub-thread about whether everyone in the West Indies has the same accent. It's likely that that comment was voted down and therefore is no longer part of that sub-thread.
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22. tatyee, 20155
"It's like me saying there is no difference between the Canadian and American accent, which I'm sure there is but I just don't hear it because I'm not from America. Or saying someone from Boston sounds like someone from New York or New Orleans or Miami. same way there are differences in the accents in America there are differences in the accents in the UK(Yes, even among the whites there)"
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23. ellensarah, 2015
"+tatyee
&, in my opinion, in most cities, there really isn't that much of a difference between black & white accents, a girl from liverpool tends to have the same accent, black or white. It's social class that tends to affect accents within the same city or town.
I know you have a different opinion, it's just my experience of all the black people I've met at Uni from different parts of the country, I don't hear a difference."
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24. Banshee Eighty, 2015
"In America, a certain idea of blacks was pushed. You either embraced this fractured culture or you attempted to assimilate. I don't think in England they had an all out campaign to segregate blacks and whites, but I could be wrong."
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25. I love nature, 2015
"England have several accents..not everyone speak "posh"."
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26. Marcus Thompson, 2016
"+Beleza Africana 😍😙 a lot more than several....."
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This is the end of this discussion sub-thread as of July 26, 2017.
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ADDENDUM
From https://www.quora.com/In-the-U-K-do-black-people-have-a-distinct-dialect-in-the-same-way-that-there-is-a-black-dialect-in-the-U-S
"In the U.K., do black people have a distinct dialect in the same way that there is a black dialect in the U.S.?
Even though there are different regional accents, is there a distinct dialect that is common among black people regardless of region (such as how black people in the south US have a different accent than in California but share a common dialect regardless of region)?"
5 Answers
Ernest W. Adams, lives in The United Kingdom
Answered May 30, 2015
"I would be careful about generalizing about a common black dialect in the United States; there are many black people in the US whose speech is indistinguishable from that of their white neighbors.
That said, the answer is no, and the reason is that black people in Britain are much more ethnically diverse. Some are recent immigrants from Africa, particularly West African nations like Nigeria and Ghana, while others are Afro-Caribbean descendants of people who came to the UK a long time ago and they sound exactly like the white people among whom they live. There was also a big influx of West Indians in the years immediately after the Second World War. The West Indian population has a dialect and an accent, but it's not shared at all with the African immigrants or with the native black British people."
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Angela Mackie-Rutledge, Black British & American expatriot
Answered Jun 2, 2015
"When speaking to people on the phone here in the UK, I cannot discern their race, but I can more easily tell their class.
I talk to a lot of black people both here and in the USA. The only thing with some commonality is a young (under 25), urban, London accent - but I've heard Asians, whites and blacks speak this way, so it's not distinctly black.
The answer provided by Ernest W. Adams seems to be pretty right on."
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This pancocojams post showcases selected comments from a YouTube video's discussion thread. Those selected comments are part of a sub-thread in which people discuss whether Black people from Britain speak the same as White people from that country. That topic grew out of larger discussion prompted by the theme of the spoke word composition which addressed the idea of Black people "talking like they are White".
The African American spoken word video that led to this discussion is also featured in this post.
The Addendum to this post quotes two comments from a hyperlinked article entitled "In the U.K., do black people have a distinct dialect in the same way that there is a black dialect in the U.S.?"
The content of this post is presented for folkloric, linguistics, and socio-cultural purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Ernestine Johnson for her spoken word composition and thanks to Arsenio Hall for featuring that spoken word performance on his television show. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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This is part of an ongoing pancocojams series on "African American Vernacular English", "code switching" and other related linguistics customs.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/07/selected-comments-from-2012-online.html for a closely related pancocojams post entitled "Selected Comments From A 2012 Online Discussion About Young White Londoners "Talking Black" "
Also, click the tags below to find other posts in this series.
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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Ernestine Johnson Performs 'The Average Black Girl' on Arsenio Hall Show
Ernestine Johnson, Published on Apr 14, 2014
Ernestine Johnson kicks off the show with an amazing and moving performance of "The Average Black Girl." You will get chills from this performance.
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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S COMMENT ABOUT THE TERM "EBONICS"
The term "Ebonics" is frequently used in these featured comments to basically mean the same thing as "African American Vernacular English". However, the term "Ebonics" has its own history in the United States and isn't formally used by American linguists and/or American professionals. Furthermore, few African Americans formally or informally use the term "Ebonics" to refer to the ways that individual Black Americans speak or write some of the time or all of the time.
Click http://www.pbs.org/speak/seatosea/americanvarieties/AAVE/ebonics/ for information about "Ebonics".
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SELECTED COMMENTS
These comments are part of the sub-thread that is described above. Comments that were posted to date (July 26, 2017 5:54 PM) that aren't quoted in this post were either entirely made up of profanity abbreviations or were exchanges about religion that have nothing to do with this specific topic.
Numbers are assigned to these comments for referencing purposes only.
1. Qopel, 2015
"How come in England, the blacks talk just the same as the whites? No Ebonics, no accent. I couldn't tell a white from a black British person over the phone. Go figure."
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2.Thabiso Mhlaba, 2015
"Most British people have much crazier accents than most American ones as far as deciphering the meaning of a sentence."
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3. tatyee, 2015
"they actually do. You don't live in Britain so i'm not surprised you can't tell the difference. I have black british friends that make fun of black britains that "talk white." britain has plenty different accents. it's just racial divide isn't as severe or outright in britain. less morons there"
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4. ellensarah, 2015
"I'm from England and I was kind of wondering if the accents differ as much in the UK as they apparently do in the US. I actually grew up around a lot of black people because my school was international but they mostly had Nigerian accents (with some English mixed in depending on how long they'd been at the school). Now I'm in university all the black friends I have seem to speak with the same accent I do, and in the case of the one northern girl she sounds the same as the other white northern girls. We definitely discriminate based on accents but I think it's usually based on a colourless class discrimination, rather than race."
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5. Javan uHnah, 2015
"Black londoners have created their own ebonics actually. Ignorant."
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6. Qopel, 2015
"+Javan uHnah
..and they sound American when they sing."
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7. tatyee, 2015
"+Qopel I've noticed that too. that could be for commercial appeal though. like Iggy Azalea tryna sound like she's from the South when she raps."
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8. Javan uHnah, 2015
"+Qopel Who are you referring to?...."
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9. Qopel, 2015
"+Javan uHnah
The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and all other British bands"
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10. Javan uHnah, 2015
"The beatles and rolling stones do not have american accents (when they sing) liar."
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11. Qopel, 2015
"+Javan uHnah
Oh, right...they have Chinese accents...my bad."
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12. Javan uHnah, 2015
"+Qopel The beatles are all Liverpudlian. And yes, although that may have similarities to an American accent. It's still a british accent. The Rolling Stones did sing in american accents quite a lot tho. Thats true. Apologies.
However what does this have to do with black londoners? Who yes, have their own unique idiolect separate from of british people? Just like African Americans have ebonics."
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13. ellensarah, 2015
"+Javan uHnah
I have plenty of black friends who are from london and they all sound indistinguishable from white londeners."
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14. pikanoob, 2015
"because its entirely cultural"
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15. Javan uHnah, 2015
"+ellensarah Listen to grime artist and you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. Are watch kidulthood. That type of idiolect was pioneered by black brits. Only in recent years, more white londoners have started to speak this way, because just like in America everyone wants to black nowadays."
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16. ellensarah, 2015
"+Javan uHnah
I listened to some now but it all just kind of sounded like a typical working-class London accent to me, did you have a particular artist in mind?
In fact one video was a list of the best grime artists which included a white artist and a black artist and they both sounded like normal working-class Londoners."
**
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17. Javan uHnah, 2015
"+ellensarah There is a difference between cockney and the idiolect used by grime artists. I suppose it might seem similar to an outsider, but the vocabulary gives it away. For example, black people have come up with this phrase "mans just in ends", meaning "I'm at home".
In black londoner idiolect, people refer themselves in the 3rd person time, "mans", which means "I". That's something you wouldn't hear in a cockney accent.
Makes me wonder tho, why they haven't given this language an official name yet."
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18. GuYAh Berry, 2015
"+Javan uHnah You can identify me as a black Londoner but I don't speak like the Grime artists. I understand the point you are trying to make that but you are stereotypying in a way that Ernestine Johnson touches on. I think it would be better if you say most black Londoners speak like the Grime artists. However, maybe you haven't met many who don't :-)"
Also, in most Northern England dialects, they refer to themselves in 3rd person too, "Give us that " would be give me that", and they use the phrase "Me mam said you can take us there" meaning "My mum said you can take me there" So not just a black Londoner thing but actually it's colour and geographically-independent.
If you listen to the white Londoners, in East London or South, North or West they all have different accents- especially East London. This has nothing to do with Grime and has been like so for many decades.
"mans just in ends" actually means "I'm in my neighbourhood", "mans at yard" would be "I'm at home"
This just slang picked up over the years by people and it is definitely not limited to black people and I doubt it was solely created by them. Language changes very much over the years and it had done when black people did not live in the UK.
I don't mean any offense but your comments make it sound like you are a Londoner and every black person there speaks in the manner you describe: It is not specific to black people nor is it all black people XD.
Sorry for the long text Javan"
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19. Javan uHnah, 2015
"+Geraldine Abbey I'm a black londoner too, I don't speak like a grime artist either. This is getting tiresome
Do you know what a "road man" is? That's literally the kind of idiolect I'm talking about.
No any of that "me mam" liverpoolian stuff."
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20. ellensarah, 2015
"+Steven JG
Britain isn't big enough for different accents??"
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21. Chloe Calvin, 2015
"+Steven JG Yes they do, funny enough you brought up Jamaica because my parents are from there and Jamaica is Out of Many One People with different backgrounds and have different accents (thanks to SLAVERY). It is hard enough when the mainstream Kingston (the capital of Jamaica) street ghetto slang takes over the country's patios as the "national" language and Jamaica is only recognised for this dialect when the majority of the country speaks plain simple English.
I don't know why I bothered to answer your rhetorical question when clearly the answer is yes the "other small islands" you mean the rest of the WEST INDIES, YES they do have they're own accents as the British, French and the Spanish sold and trade slaves throughout Caribbean, so to answer your question the whole of the Caribbean has many different accents, some may sound the same but they're all different. I can tell difference with a person who speaks in Bajan Creole from a person from Trinidad right back down to Grenada to St Kitts.
Answering your previous comment Steven "Britain isn't large enough for people to for different accents" this statement makes you sound very stupid as Britain has the largest multicultural society in the world here in London where I live. The whole of the UK and Ireland have many different accents nationally and regionally. For an island the UK is a small world.
Ain't America unpopulated for it's size?
I had to educate your small mind and please enlighten me with your next reply I'll be looking forward to reading."
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Pancocojams Editor: Apparently, a question had been posted in this sub-thread about whether everyone in the West Indies has the same accent. It's likely that that comment was voted down and therefore is no longer part of that sub-thread.
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22. tatyee, 20155
"It's like me saying there is no difference between the Canadian and American accent, which I'm sure there is but I just don't hear it because I'm not from America. Or saying someone from Boston sounds like someone from New York or New Orleans or Miami. same way there are differences in the accents in America there are differences in the accents in the UK(Yes, even among the whites there)"
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23. ellensarah, 2015
"+tatyee
&, in my opinion, in most cities, there really isn't that much of a difference between black & white accents, a girl from liverpool tends to have the same accent, black or white. It's social class that tends to affect accents within the same city or town.
I know you have a different opinion, it's just my experience of all the black people I've met at Uni from different parts of the country, I don't hear a difference."
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24. Banshee Eighty, 2015
"In America, a certain idea of blacks was pushed. You either embraced this fractured culture or you attempted to assimilate. I don't think in England they had an all out campaign to segregate blacks and whites, but I could be wrong."
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25. I love nature, 2015
"England have several accents..not everyone speak "posh"."
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26. Marcus Thompson, 2016
"+Beleza Africana 😍😙 a lot more than several....."
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This is the end of this discussion sub-thread as of July 26, 2017.
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ADDENDUM
From https://www.quora.com/In-the-U-K-do-black-people-have-a-distinct-dialect-in-the-same-way-that-there-is-a-black-dialect-in-the-U-S
"In the U.K., do black people have a distinct dialect in the same way that there is a black dialect in the U.S.?
Even though there are different regional accents, is there a distinct dialect that is common among black people regardless of region (such as how black people in the south US have a different accent than in California but share a common dialect regardless of region)?"
5 Answers
Ernest W. Adams, lives in The United Kingdom
Answered May 30, 2015
"I would be careful about generalizing about a common black dialect in the United States; there are many black people in the US whose speech is indistinguishable from that of their white neighbors.
That said, the answer is no, and the reason is that black people in Britain are much more ethnically diverse. Some are recent immigrants from Africa, particularly West African nations like Nigeria and Ghana, while others are Afro-Caribbean descendants of people who came to the UK a long time ago and they sound exactly like the white people among whom they live. There was also a big influx of West Indians in the years immediately after the Second World War. The West Indian population has a dialect and an accent, but it's not shared at all with the African immigrants or with the native black British people."
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Angela Mackie-Rutledge, Black British & American expatriot
Answered Jun 2, 2015
"When speaking to people on the phone here in the UK, I cannot discern their race, but I can more easily tell their class.
I talk to a lot of black people both here and in the USA. The only thing with some commonality is a young (under 25), urban, London accent - but I've heard Asians, whites and blacks speak this way, so it's not distinctly black.
The answer provided by Ernest W. Adams seems to be pretty right on."
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Saturday, July 15, 2017
Two Sub-Threads From Davido's "Aye" Official YouTube Video's Discussion Thread: Comments About Africans Living Abroad And Comments About Yorubas In Benin & Other Nations Besides Nigeria
Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post documents comments from two sub-threads that are found in the YouTube discussion thread for Nigerian Afrobeat star Davido's official video of his 2014 hit song "Aye". The first sub-thread is about Africans' attitudes about other Africans living abroad. The second sub-thread is about Yorubas in Benin & in other nations besides Nigeria.
The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Davido for his musical legacy and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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Click the Davido Aye video tag that is found below for more information and comments about this Afrobeat song and about other subjects that relate to this song and video.
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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Aye - Davido (Official Music Video)
DMW HQ, Published on Feb 7, 2014
...HKN Music presents the official music video of Aye, Davido's fourth single off his forthcoming sophomore album. Directed by Clarence Peters, the video is shot in a rural setting and tells a tale of love between different classes.
Davido plays a poor farmer who falls in love with the prince's love interest. Aye shows Davido at his best, showing raw talent in a different direction, cultural, and entirely refreshing.....
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Statistics [as of 7/14/ 2017 5:40 PM]
total views: 40,573,802
likes: 97,054; dislikes: 5,768
total # of comments: 5,437
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM TWO "AYE" VIDEO SUB-THREADS
Sub-Thread #1: Comments From Africans About Other Africans Living Abroad
This excerpt consist of all but one of the comments that were posted to this sub-thread as of July 15, 2017 (7:10 PM)
Numbers are assigned for referencing purposes only.
1. Coogie246, 2015
"Its a shame young Nigerian women in the U.S don't dance like the women in this video any more. A lot (Not all) come to the U.S and try to act too posh, they try and rid themselves of the things that make them unique to the rest of the world....shame. Nigerian women are some of the most gorgeous women on the planet."
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2. Kitty Purry, 2015
"Lol, true. I used to kind of act like that when I was younger, but traditional songs like this make me embrace my roots even more. I love our culture and tradition, it's so rich and fascinating.
And you're right that it's what makes us unique to the rest of the world, which is why it's imperative to keep our tradition aflame and pass it on to the next generation, otherwise it fades into obscurity. So, I'm going to ensure that I teach my kids about their culture, even if they are raised in the western world.
I think it's more about finding the right balance between the western culture and our traditional beliefs, especially if you reside in the western world and work in the corporate world. All in all, I'm very proud to be a Yoruba girl."
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3. oriolori89, 2015
"+Miss Bukky very well said as far too many Africans try to rid themselves of their very africanness as soon as they hit the states, being an older women I am having none of that nonsense .. when in America I braid my hair and an eat my foods,( amala, eba, fufu , ogbono soup, efo rifo , ewa, , ) I eat all of our foods African foods in America .. and why not ? am looking for where to get ISE EWU ... yum.."
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[Pancocojams comment added 7/16/2017] YouTube commenters may change their user name. When that happens, the name used for all of the comments written by that commenter is changed to the new user name. However, that old name still shows up in other commenters' replies. "Miss Bukky" appears to be an earlier user name for "Kitty Purry".
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4. Kitty Purry, 2015
"+oriolori89 Really? Is that how it is in the states? I actually live in the UK it's quite different here and it's actually funny because a lot of African teenagers and young adults who were born here to immigrant parents actually really love the culture and they truly embrace it. It's only those who migrated here that try to act indifferent. And here in the UK, especially in London, Nigerian food is so easily accessible, along with other African household items. You can literally live like you do in Nigeria, just in a different continent.
My problem was that I had no Nigerian friends when I first moved here, due to the school I attended, so I had no one to share the culture with, but all that changed when I met other Nigerians
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5. oriolori89, 2015
"+Miss Bukky I live both in the uk and Nigeria as I have homes in both places and yes of course we have our foods our culture all around us in the big cities not the countryside London,Manchester are big Nigerian hubs but Nigerians are so bold they will set up shop anywhere they are not afraid to go places . This is the thing about us is that we tend to be the first ones to step outside "safe " zones as black areas America is different its too big for a start so the African communities are really scattered and tend to concentrate in big cities like new York Houston and Atlanta ..I remember on one trip about a decade ago to los angeles I was in the valleys where you don't get many blacks let alone Africans , I bumped into another Yoruba man who heard me speaking in Yoruba to the people I was with he was so happy! lol you get that from time to time .
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6. Kingsley Odogwu, 2015
"+oriolori89 Hello, how are you doing?"
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7. Nona Yabuisness, 2015
"It's the truth. It's the same for the ones in the UK. Most of them used to pretend to be be Jamaican when I livd in London back in the day. That's why I will never date one of them. They're are Europeanized/Americanized to the max. No sense of African in them at all. Fake Africans"
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8. Nona Yabuisness, 2015
"+Miss Bukky Thats not what I saw. When I used to visit London first generation Nigerians and Africans in general used to pretend to be Jamaicans. They used to call Africans like me "FOB" aka "Fresh Off The boat". They had no African pride whatsoever"
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9. oriolori89, 2015
"+Olayinka Kazeem some of the youth are lost because their parents are too busy chasing naira"
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"naira"= monetary unit in Nigeria
[Pancocojams Editor comment added 7/16/207] YouTube commenters may change their user name. When that happens, the name used for all of the comments written by that commenter is changed to the new user name. However, that old name still shows up in other commenters' replies. My guess is that "Olayinka Kazeem" is an earlier user name for "Nona Yabuisness".
Fwiw, http://www.first-names-meanings.com/names/name-OLAYINKA.html indicates that "Olayinka" is a Yoruba female name that means "wealth" surrounds me".
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"Ola" is a prefix that found in a number of Yoruba names and means "wealth" (and also "honor"). "Inka" is a suffix that is found in a lot of Yoruba names and means "surrounds me". Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2014/11/yoruba-names-and-their-meeanings-by.html the pancocojams post "Yoruba Names And Their Meanings" by Fela Sowande
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10. Nona Yabuisness, 2015
"+oriolori89 Some? Most so called Africans overseas are lost. My experiences with you people will always be here and bad. Sorry if I can't get with the pro African vibe that u ppl have embraced within the last year or two. I remember you ppl before. Alot of you were ashamed to be African"
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11. oriolori89, 2015
"+Olayinka Kazeem I presume you took your user name then not all of us are ashamed to be Africans I live part of the year on African soil and its my home now so no our cultures are very strong but this wont be apparent to you unless you are exposed to it and most blacks simply are not"
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12. Briste Belle, 2015
"I am igbo Nigerian in the US. So proud of my culture that even my coworkers wish they are Nigerians. They like when i speak Igbo on the phone and my natural hair styles (Usually Mohawk, with braided sided and combed-up middle), I smile always too... Some of them wish they could marry a Nigerian but the thing is marrying a Nigerian won't make them Nigerian, they'll only be foreigners married to a Nigerian... Anyways, I appreciate my culture and people, Naija for liife!"
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13. Wizkyy Edem, 2015
"+Briste Belle HI BRISTE HOW ARE YOU, IT A GOOD THING TO KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE OVER THERE WANT TO MARRY NAIJA PPL BUT CAN YOU PUT ME ON CONTACTING THEM COS I REALLY WANT TO KNOW THEN FIRST THEN MAYBE WE TAKE IT TO ANOTHER LEVEL.BUT THEY MUST BE VERY BEAUTIFUL LIKE YOU."
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14. Classiqueremyhair, 2015
"+Olayinka Kazeem hmmm. I don't think so at all. I live in Chicago and 95% of Nigerians born here do not play American music hardly. They are more into it than even those in Naija. I cannot remember the last time I heard American songs in Naija parties here. Hardly. Most Nigerians here are more into our culture, it's those at home trying to get Americanized"
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15. oriolori89, 2015
"+Classiqueremyhair yes the youngsters back home have a convoluted idea of life stateside."
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16. Akou Kouassi, 2015
"+Classiqueremyhair I agree to it"
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17. Monafa Gill, 2015
"preachh 😩 most of the dancing today is derived from africa, they should be proud"
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18. NickHill668, 2015
"have you explored the whole U.S? no you haven't it's bigger than you think [two profanity words deleted]
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19. mary mpi, 2015
"I mean I'm an Nigerian in u.s and I can dance"
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20. NickHill668, 2015
"you people are [profanity deleted] stupid, point [profanity] proven
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21. pureknightxs, 2015
"+Olayinka Kazeem That's how it was, key word is was. Its most definitely not like that anymore many nigerians embrace their culture now which is how it should be. I personally am saving up to study yoruba at soas university."
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22. rara alsina, 2015
".... u kinda is right and i think everyone should embrace their culture. i wore sum thing like what she wore in the video to school and everyone actually liked it"
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23. NickHill668, 2015
"^ hahahah my god this is hilarious"
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25. Funmilade Akinleye, 2015
+Coogie246 thank you, we know!! #proudlynigerian
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26. priscilla wanosowo, 2015
"+Funmilade Akinleye"
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Sub-Thread #2: Comments About Yorubas In Benin & Other Nations Besides Nigeria
This is the complete sub-thread (as of July 15, 2017 (7:15 PM)
Numbers are assigned for referencing purposes only.
1. ete ike, 2016
"This is totally the Yoruba traditional video. Yoruba tribe is NIGERIAN."
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2. Malika Sillam, 2016
"There are also Yoruba in Benin."
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3. Debbie, 2016
"+Malika Silla lol every Yorùbá person u see in this world has NIGERIAN ROOTS/ANCESTORS. Yorubas travelled to them neighbouring countries in the olden days. they still do now and intermarry. there are afrocubans and Brazilians that practise Yorùbá religion and bear our names."
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4. I Am Many Things, 2016
"nope, research things friend. Yoruba are from benin,same as nigeria. yoruba in benin did not migrate at all, its just colonial border that separate them from Nigeria yoruba. just saying....yoruba are native to benin and nigeria."
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5. Debbie A, 2016
"+DreamOfTheEndless Sir eerrrm I am Yorùbá myself. Oduduwa(the father of thé yorubas) , ile-ife(thé cradle of thé yorubas), ooni of ife,alake of egba,olubadan of ibadan,oba of benin city(edo state), alaafin of oyo,moremi ajasoro, bashorun ogunmola even thé gods and goddesses are ALL INDEGENOUS TO NIGERIA. Many yorubas married from bénin.
I know many people from bénin republic That even told me this. They bear Yorùbá names Because theyve mingled. Doesnt mean they are Yorùbá. They may have Married a Yorùbá person or have yorubas as grandparents. They speak fon and french. Though their Yorùbá is a little différent Because of their accent. And many nigérians back in thé days used To bring house helps from bénin republic To Nigeria. Some arent Yorùbá at aaaalll but Because theyve stayed with yorubas they know thé language and bear thé name.I dont know or think they still do it. (i mean being househelps over)
The Yoruba share borders with the Borgu in Benin; the Nupe and Ebira in central Nigeria; and the Edo, the Esan, and the Afemai in mid-western Nigeria. The Igala and other related groups are found in the northeast, and the Egun, Fon,Ewe and others in the southeast Benin. The Itsekiri who live in the north-west Niger-Delta are related to the Yoruba but maintain a distinct cultural identity. Significant Yoruba populations in other West African countries can be found in Ghana,Togo, Ivory Coast, Libéria and Sierra Leone Of course Theyll speak thé language intermarry and Take It To their country.
As of 2016 heres thé population of thé yorubas. Nigeria 40 million, Bénin 2.2 million Ghana 460,000 Togo 300,000, Ivory Coast100,000, Europe-200,000 North America-200,000 . Theres a reason Why Nigeria has thé most numbers. BECAUSE ITS THE HOMELAND OF EVERY YORUBA PERSON. (Regardless of migration and marriage) Because you find a set of people in a country doesnt mean they or their languages are indegenous To That country or land. E.g: Australia is for thé aboriginals but their main language is English and Its predominantly white people. "
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6. Malika Silla, 2015
"+Debbie A
He is right. Yorubas are native to Benin and Nigeria.
But you're right with some points.
Significant population does not mean that they are native to that place. It just means that there is a great amount of them living there. If you Google Somalis, a significant population place would be Germany. It just means that they are many Somalis living in Germany.
Also the Yoruba found in Ivory Coast are not Ivorians but Nigerians born in Nigeria that migrated to Ivory Coast.
The same goes for Ghana and Togo. Those Yorubas living there are Nigerians.
Again the reason why Benin and Nigeria exist is because of colonial borders. If it wasn't for white people you wouldn't have Nigeria or Benin.
The reason why Nigeria has the higher population is because white people wanted it. If they would made the borders different what would you say?"
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7. I Am Many Things, 2015
"+Malika Silla right!!!!"
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This pancocojams post documents comments from two sub-threads that are found in the YouTube discussion thread for Nigerian Afrobeat star Davido's official video of his 2014 hit song "Aye". The first sub-thread is about Africans' attitudes about other Africans living abroad. The second sub-thread is about Yorubas in Benin & in other nations besides Nigeria.
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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Aye - Davido (Official Music Video)
DMW HQ, Published on Feb 7, 2014
...HKN Music presents the official music video of Aye, Davido's fourth single off his forthcoming sophomore album. Directed by Clarence Peters, the video is shot in a rural setting and tells a tale of love between different classes.
Davido plays a poor farmer who falls in love with the prince's love interest. Aye shows Davido at his best, showing raw talent in a different direction, cultural, and entirely refreshing.....
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Statistics [as of 7/14/ 2017 5:40 PM]
total views: 40,573,802
likes: 97,054; dislikes: 5,768
total # of comments: 5,437
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM TWO "AYE" VIDEO SUB-THREADS
Sub-Thread #1: Comments From Africans About Other Africans Living Abroad
This excerpt consist of all but one of the comments that were posted to this sub-thread as of July 15, 2017 (7:10 PM)
Numbers are assigned for referencing purposes only.
1. Coogie246, 2015
"Its a shame young Nigerian women in the U.S don't dance like the women in this video any more. A lot (Not all) come to the U.S and try to act too posh, they try and rid themselves of the things that make them unique to the rest of the world....shame. Nigerian women are some of the most gorgeous women on the planet."
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2. Kitty Purry, 2015
"Lol, true. I used to kind of act like that when I was younger, but traditional songs like this make me embrace my roots even more. I love our culture and tradition, it's so rich and fascinating.
And you're right that it's what makes us unique to the rest of the world, which is why it's imperative to keep our tradition aflame and pass it on to the next generation, otherwise it fades into obscurity. So, I'm going to ensure that I teach my kids about their culture, even if they are raised in the western world.
I think it's more about finding the right balance between the western culture and our traditional beliefs, especially if you reside in the western world and work in the corporate world. All in all, I'm very proud to be a Yoruba girl."
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3. oriolori89, 2015
"+Miss Bukky very well said as far too many Africans try to rid themselves of their very africanness as soon as they hit the states, being an older women I am having none of that nonsense .. when in America I braid my hair and an eat my foods,( amala, eba, fufu , ogbono soup, efo rifo , ewa, , ) I eat all of our foods African foods in America .. and why not ? am looking for where to get ISE EWU ... yum.."
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[Pancocojams comment added 7/16/2017] YouTube commenters may change their user name. When that happens, the name used for all of the comments written by that commenter is changed to the new user name. However, that old name still shows up in other commenters' replies. "Miss Bukky" appears to be an earlier user name for "Kitty Purry".
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4. Kitty Purry, 2015
"+oriolori89 Really? Is that how it is in the states? I actually live in the UK it's quite different here and it's actually funny because a lot of African teenagers and young adults who were born here to immigrant parents actually really love the culture and they truly embrace it. It's only those who migrated here that try to act indifferent. And here in the UK, especially in London, Nigerian food is so easily accessible, along with other African household items. You can literally live like you do in Nigeria, just in a different continent.
My problem was that I had no Nigerian friends when I first moved here, due to the school I attended, so I had no one to share the culture with, but all that changed when I met other Nigerians
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5. oriolori89, 2015
"+Miss Bukky I live both in the uk and Nigeria as I have homes in both places and yes of course we have our foods our culture all around us in the big cities not the countryside London,Manchester are big Nigerian hubs but Nigerians are so bold they will set up shop anywhere they are not afraid to go places . This is the thing about us is that we tend to be the first ones to step outside "safe " zones as black areas America is different its too big for a start so the African communities are really scattered and tend to concentrate in big cities like new York Houston and Atlanta ..I remember on one trip about a decade ago to los angeles I was in the valleys where you don't get many blacks let alone Africans , I bumped into another Yoruba man who heard me speaking in Yoruba to the people I was with he was so happy! lol you get that from time to time .
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6. Kingsley Odogwu, 2015
"+oriolori89 Hello, how are you doing?"
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7. Nona Yabuisness, 2015
"It's the truth. It's the same for the ones in the UK. Most of them used to pretend to be be Jamaican when I livd in London back in the day. That's why I will never date one of them. They're are Europeanized/Americanized to the max. No sense of African in them at all. Fake Africans"
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8. Nona Yabuisness, 2015
"+Miss Bukky Thats not what I saw. When I used to visit London first generation Nigerians and Africans in general used to pretend to be Jamaicans. They used to call Africans like me "FOB" aka "Fresh Off The boat". They had no African pride whatsoever"
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9. oriolori89, 2015
"+Olayinka Kazeem some of the youth are lost because their parents are too busy chasing naira"
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"naira"= monetary unit in Nigeria
[Pancocojams Editor comment added 7/16/207] YouTube commenters may change their user name. When that happens, the name used for all of the comments written by that commenter is changed to the new user name. However, that old name still shows up in other commenters' replies. My guess is that "Olayinka Kazeem" is an earlier user name for "Nona Yabuisness".
Fwiw, http://www.first-names-meanings.com/names/name-OLAYINKA.html indicates that "Olayinka" is a Yoruba female name that means "wealth" surrounds me".
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"Ola" is a prefix that found in a number of Yoruba names and means "wealth" (and also "honor"). "Inka" is a suffix that is found in a lot of Yoruba names and means "surrounds me". Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2014/11/yoruba-names-and-their-meeanings-by.html the pancocojams post "Yoruba Names And Their Meanings" by Fela Sowande
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10. Nona Yabuisness, 2015
"+oriolori89 Some? Most so called Africans overseas are lost. My experiences with you people will always be here and bad. Sorry if I can't get with the pro African vibe that u ppl have embraced within the last year or two. I remember you ppl before. Alot of you were ashamed to be African"
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11. oriolori89, 2015
"+Olayinka Kazeem I presume you took your user name then not all of us are ashamed to be Africans I live part of the year on African soil and its my home now so no our cultures are very strong but this wont be apparent to you unless you are exposed to it and most blacks simply are not"
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12. Briste Belle, 2015
"I am igbo Nigerian in the US. So proud of my culture that even my coworkers wish they are Nigerians. They like when i speak Igbo on the phone and my natural hair styles (Usually Mohawk, with braided sided and combed-up middle), I smile always too... Some of them wish they could marry a Nigerian but the thing is marrying a Nigerian won't make them Nigerian, they'll only be foreigners married to a Nigerian... Anyways, I appreciate my culture and people, Naija for liife!"
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13. Wizkyy Edem, 2015
"+Briste Belle HI BRISTE HOW ARE YOU, IT A GOOD THING TO KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE OVER THERE WANT TO MARRY NAIJA PPL BUT CAN YOU PUT ME ON CONTACTING THEM COS I REALLY WANT TO KNOW THEN FIRST THEN MAYBE WE TAKE IT TO ANOTHER LEVEL.BUT THEY MUST BE VERY BEAUTIFUL LIKE YOU."
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14. Classiqueremyhair, 2015
"+Olayinka Kazeem hmmm. I don't think so at all. I live in Chicago and 95% of Nigerians born here do not play American music hardly. They are more into it than even those in Naija. I cannot remember the last time I heard American songs in Naija parties here. Hardly. Most Nigerians here are more into our culture, it's those at home trying to get Americanized"
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15. oriolori89, 2015
"+Classiqueremyhair yes the youngsters back home have a convoluted idea of life stateside."
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16. Akou Kouassi, 2015
"+Classiqueremyhair I agree to it"
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17. Monafa Gill, 2015
"preachh 😩 most of the dancing today is derived from africa, they should be proud"
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18. NickHill668, 2015
"have you explored the whole U.S? no you haven't it's bigger than you think [two profanity words deleted]
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19. mary mpi, 2015
"I mean I'm an Nigerian in u.s and I can dance"
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20. NickHill668, 2015
"you people are [profanity deleted] stupid, point [profanity] proven
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21. pureknightxs, 2015
"+Olayinka Kazeem That's how it was, key word is was. Its most definitely not like that anymore many nigerians embrace their culture now which is how it should be. I personally am saving up to study yoruba at soas university."
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SOAS University, London England "SOAS University of London is the only Higher Education institution in Europe specialising in the study of Asia, Africa and the Near and Middle East." https://www.soas.ac.uk/about/
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22. rara alsina, 2015
".... u kinda is right and i think everyone should embrace their culture. i wore sum thing like what she wore in the video to school and everyone actually liked it"
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23. NickHill668, 2015
"^ hahahah my god this is hilarious"
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25. Funmilade Akinleye, 2015
+Coogie246 thank you, we know!! #proudlynigerian
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26. priscilla wanosowo, 2015
"+Funmilade Akinleye"
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On internet social media, a commenter who only writes a reply consisting of a plus sign followed by a commenter's name is indicating that he or she is "cosigning" (agreeing with) what that commenter wrote. In doing so, he or she is giving that commenter "props" (respect/recognition) for that comment.
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Sub-Thread #2: Comments About Yorubas In Benin & Other Nations Besides Nigeria
This is the complete sub-thread (as of July 15, 2017 (7:15 PM)
Numbers are assigned for referencing purposes only.
1. ete ike, 2016
"This is totally the Yoruba traditional video. Yoruba tribe is NIGERIAN."
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2. Malika Sillam, 2016
"There are also Yoruba in Benin."
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3. Debbie, 2016
"+Malika Silla lol every Yorùbá person u see in this world has NIGERIAN ROOTS/ANCESTORS. Yorubas travelled to them neighbouring countries in the olden days. they still do now and intermarry. there are afrocubans and Brazilians that practise Yorùbá religion and bear our names."
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4. I Am Many Things, 2016
"nope, research things friend. Yoruba are from benin,same as nigeria. yoruba in benin did not migrate at all, its just colonial border that separate them from Nigeria yoruba. just saying....yoruba are native to benin and nigeria."
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5. Debbie A, 2016
"+DreamOfTheEndless Sir eerrrm I am Yorùbá myself. Oduduwa(the father of thé yorubas) , ile-ife(thé cradle of thé yorubas), ooni of ife,alake of egba,olubadan of ibadan,oba of benin city(edo state), alaafin of oyo,moremi ajasoro, bashorun ogunmola even thé gods and goddesses are ALL INDEGENOUS TO NIGERIA. Many yorubas married from bénin.
I know many people from bénin republic That even told me this. They bear Yorùbá names Because theyve mingled. Doesnt mean they are Yorùbá. They may have Married a Yorùbá person or have yorubas as grandparents. They speak fon and french. Though their Yorùbá is a little différent Because of their accent. And many nigérians back in thé days used To bring house helps from bénin republic To Nigeria. Some arent Yorùbá at aaaalll but Because theyve stayed with yorubas they know thé language and bear thé name.I dont know or think they still do it. (i mean being househelps over)
The Yoruba share borders with the Borgu in Benin; the Nupe and Ebira in central Nigeria; and the Edo, the Esan, and the Afemai in mid-western Nigeria. The Igala and other related groups are found in the northeast, and the Egun, Fon,Ewe and others in the southeast Benin. The Itsekiri who live in the north-west Niger-Delta are related to the Yoruba but maintain a distinct cultural identity. Significant Yoruba populations in other West African countries can be found in Ghana,Togo, Ivory Coast, Libéria and Sierra Leone Of course Theyll speak thé language intermarry and Take It To their country.
As of 2016 heres thé population of thé yorubas. Nigeria 40 million, Bénin 2.2 million Ghana 460,000 Togo 300,000, Ivory Coast100,000, Europe-200,000 North America-200,000 . Theres a reason Why Nigeria has thé most numbers. BECAUSE ITS THE HOMELAND OF EVERY YORUBA PERSON. (Regardless of migration and marriage) Because you find a set of people in a country doesnt mean they or their languages are indegenous To That country or land. E.g: Australia is for thé aboriginals but their main language is English and Its predominantly white people. "
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6. Malika Silla, 2015
"+Debbie A
He is right. Yorubas are native to Benin and Nigeria.
But you're right with some points.
Significant population does not mean that they are native to that place. It just means that there is a great amount of them living there. If you Google Somalis, a significant population place would be Germany. It just means that they are many Somalis living in Germany.
Also the Yoruba found in Ivory Coast are not Ivorians but Nigerians born in Nigeria that migrated to Ivory Coast.
The same goes for Ghana and Togo. Those Yorubas living there are Nigerians.
Again the reason why Benin and Nigeria exist is because of colonial borders. If it wasn't for white people you wouldn't have Nigeria or Benin.
The reason why Nigeria has the higher population is because white people wanted it. If they would made the borders different what would you say?"
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7. I Am Many Things, 2015
"+Malika Silla right!!!!"
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