Edited by Azizi Powell
This is Part II of a two part pancocojams series that showcases the parody video "Cinderonce" by Todrick Hall.
Part II presents that video and highlights a discussion in that video's viewer comment thread about why Cinderonce doesn't have a natural hairstyle for the royal ball.
Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/10/todrick-halls-video-cinderonce-youtube.html for Part I of this series. Part I presents that video and highlights discussions in that video's viewer comment thread about why the entire cast is Black.
The content of this post is presented for cultural, sociological, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Todrick Hall and his cast for this parody video of the well known European fairy tale "Cinderella". Thanks also to Beyonce for the songs that are featured in this video. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Cinderonce by Todrick Hall
todrickhall, Published on Aug 20, 2013
....
STARRING
Tiffany Daniels as Cinderonce
Unterrio Edwards AKA Mia Fierce as Anastasia
Miles Jai as Drizella
Vonzell Solomon as The Evil Stepmother
Todrick Hall as Prince Charming
Shangela as The Fairy Dragmother
Joshua Allen as The Duke
-snip-
All the songs are Beyonce’s records – hence the video's title “Cinderonce”.
In 2015 commenter Boubakar D posted this list of Beyonce songs that are found in Todrick Hall's "Cinderonce".
1. Halo ( 0:10 )
2. Diva ( 0:40 )
3. Freakum Dress ( 1:34)
4. Single Ladies ( 2:22)
5. I Been On (Never Officially Released) ( 2:59 )
6. 1+1 ( 3:15 ) (Later on samples "Hello" and "End of Time")
7. Countdown ( 4:54 )
8. Why Don't You Love Me ( 5:06 )
9. Love On Top ( 5:54 ) (With Dangerously In Love)
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD: COMMENTS ABOUT CINDERONCE'S HAIRSTYLE FOR THE ROYAL BALL
These are the complete comments from that sub thread as of the date and time of this post's publication.
Comments are given in chronological order with the oldest comments given first, except for replies. All of these comments are from 2016.
I've numbered these comments for referencing purposes only.
1. Shaka Black
"This is so problematic .Firstly why make her look like a slave?Second why straighten her hair is her natural hair not pretty unless white washed?Third Black males are never shown as alpha males in your videosgastion from beauty and the beast was a straight white alpha male why not show a black man like thatplenty of african fairy tales why not include one"
-snip-
Here's a link to Todrick Hall's parody video of the fairy tale "Beauty & The Beast": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpgshV-Fudw
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2. Afika Lindegaard
"If you have something rude to say keep to yourself and get your facts right. In Britney and the Beast it is Todrick playing the beast."
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3. Shaka Black
"+Afika Lindegaard He was playing a beast and the white guy played the alpha male"
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4. Peri Winkle
"Oh, just go [profanity deleted] yourself with your social justice."
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5. Clarabird
" "Why make her look like a slave?" Have you not SEEN or READ Cinderella? Cinderella is treated LIKE A SLAVE, she wears rags and everything. Sorry he kept with the theme of the ACTUAL Cinderella"
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6. Shaka Black
"+Clarabird Doesnt explain the hair straightening"
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7. Unicorn Dust
"Maybe she prefers her hair straight sometime, big deal?"
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8. Kara Evans
"Oh my god hair straightening doesn't mean anything, literally a wig"
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9. Shaka Black
"+Kara Evans Black Women have been pressured by racist societies to straighten and cover up their hair for centuries"
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10. Kara Evans
"+Fatney Spears im pretty sure this 8 minute production was just meant to be fun and entertaining. You've just turned it into something negative. Literally it was just meant to be a good video. So what if her hair is straightened? Women have enough sense to know that straightening their hair doesn't mean they're oppressed and made to feel insecure. If a white or Asian person made their hair frizzy would you be saying the same thing? Straightening the hair is just a style, there's no deep meaning about oppression or appropriation."
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11. Shaka Black
"+Kara Evans False equivalency straight hair has never been stigmatized unless its in a non white person and even then not to the same extent as afro hair.
White women have the privilege to try afro hair on for a day and change it back the next.
Black women can still lose their jobs over their natural hair."
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12. Sage Myers
"The fact that ANYONE has anything to say about this comment says enough, sadly.
Her hair being straight after her transformation does say so much about what's beautiful in a mainstream white washed society.(as opposed to her kinky curly hair in the beginning) There's a plethora of beautiful hairstyles they could've done with her natural hair.
And men of color most definitely need to play a bigger role in Todrick's videos. He has so much opportunity to implement diversity and diversifying his content not only by ethnicity but the difference in approach to casting POC... but I've never truly seen him do it, which saddens me because it's a waste of pure talent if he's ultimately doing what every other cinematographer is doing :/"
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13. Sage Myers
"+Kara Evans I'm sure you've been taught it's "just a style". Like how all of Kylie Jenners enhanced features she gave herself make her beautiful, but are frowned upon on POC. WHO HAVE THOSE FEATURES. NATURALLY. It's not a style, that's how they downplay it to make appropriation okay. It's a culture. And videos shouldn't have to be "white washed" in ways like so for it to be good content.
See your lane? Please stay in it."
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14. Venjamin
"+Sage Myers Insinuating people are not allowed to have thoughts of their own, or that black women are incapable of making decisions for themselves is horribly problematic. Telling people they have internalized racism removes all agency from them, and you should be ashamed of yourself for saying black women can't have/want straight hair on their own.
Additionally, insinuating that Todrick is 'wasting his talent' is so problematic. If this is his vision, are you saying that he should not have it? Are you insinuating that he does not have the ability to think for himself and be creative as he sees fit?
People like you are an absolute mess. He selects his friends and people who are good at what they do to perform. Are you saying those people aren't good enough for you? That's what it sounds like.
You and the OP are so prejudiced it hurts."
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15. Shaka Black
"+Venjamin Living in a bubble must be tough
In the real world people of my skin color face racism, colorism and Racial sexism."
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16. Venjamin
"+Shaka Black I never said you didn't experience those things. I'm merely pointing out that you are stealing agency from other people by telling them what they like is problematic, when it is most certainly not.
Maybe don't forget that though you can't necessarily benefit from systemic racism, you can absolutely be prejudiced. It's on full display here, after all.
And don't assume you know anything about what privileges I do or do not have."
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17. Rᴀɪɴʙᴏᴡ Sɴᴏᴡᴄᴏɴᴇ
"+Shaka Black You sound like you're from Tumblr where EVERYTHING is racist or sexist. So ignorant. What about the white women who curl their hair? The Mexican women who cut theirs? This is the 21st century, there are worse forms of racism today than simple hair straightening. And for your information, Gaston is NOT the alpha male; he was shown to be arrogant and very sexist, treating Belle as if she's just a housewife. The Beast was rude at first, of course, but he GREW as a character, making him the BETTER man, rather than just the alpha male. If you want to stop racism, how about contributing to actual #BlackLivesMatters movements instead of just commenting on a video meant to entertain and not meant to conflict anyone?"
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18. Jillian Watson
"she's literally wearing a wig"
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This concludes Part II of this two part series.
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Visitor comments are welcome.
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Tuesday, October 18, 2016
Monday, October 17, 2016
Todrick Hall's Video "Cinderonce" & YouTube Questions & Comments About Why The Entire Cast Is Black
Edited by Azizi Powell
This is Part I of a two part pancocojams series that showcases the parody video "Cinderonce" by Todrick Hall.
Part I presents that video and highlights discussions in that video's viewer comment thread about why the entire cast is Black.
Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/10/todrick-halls-video-cinderonce-youtube_18.html for Part II of this post. Part II presents that video and highlights a discussion in that video's viewer comment thread about why Cinderonce doesn't have a natural hairstyle for the royal ball.
The content of this post is presented for cultural, sociological, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Todrick Hall and his cast for this parody video of the well known European fairy tale "Cinderella". Thanks also to Beyonce for the songs that are featured in this video. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Cinderonce by Todrick Hall
todrickhall, Published on Aug 20, 2013
....
STARRING
Tiffany Daniels as Cinderonce
Unterrio Edwards AKA Mia Fierce as Anastasia
Miles Jai as Drizella
Vonzell Solomon as The Evil Stepmother
Todrick Hall as Prince Charming
Shangela as The Fairy Dragmother
Joshua Allen as The Duke
-snip-
All the songs are Beyonce’s records – hence the video's title “Cinderonce”.
In 2015 commenter Boubakar D posted this list of Beyonce songs that are found in Todrick Hall's "Cinderonce".
1. Halo ( 0:10 )
2. Diva ( 0:40 )
3. Freakum Dress ( 1:34)
4. Single Ladies ( 2:22)
5. I Been On (Never Officially Released) ( 2:59 )
6. 1+1 ( 3:15 ) (Later on samples "Hello" and "End of Time")
7. Countdown ( 4:54 )
8. Why Don't You Love Me ( 5:06 )
9. Love On Top ( 5:54 ) (With Dangerously In Love)
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD: QUESTION: WHY IS THE ENTIRE CAST BLACK?
These comments are divided into three sections. The comments in each section are given in chronological order with the oldest comments given first, except for replies. I've numbered these comments for referencing purposes only.
Disclaimer: This is not meant to imply that the only discussions about race in that YouTube comment thread were these two sub-threads. There were a number of other comments with replies and without replies about race and about racism, including the comments highlighted in Part II of this series.
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Sub-thread #1
Note: This is the complete sub-thread as of the publishing date/time of this pancocojams post.
2014
1. tiliya smith
"Why are they all black??"
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2. Kiara Ligans
"Because it's todrick mutha effin hall and he can do what he pleases"
**
Reply
3. Taja Dominique
"+Kiara Ligans lmao duhh"
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4. Shannon Strickland
"Why does no one question it when there's only white people in music videos??"
**
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5. holly_stoxx
"^^preach it"
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Reply
6. charlotte R. Van der Haer
"+tiliya smith Why not?"
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7. Sarah Taylor
"Why in Cinderella are they all white?"
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8. ChantalPerezify
"facepalms @ OP"
-snip-
OP = Original Poster
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9. Mary Mboyo
"Because all of them were born black duh"
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10. Valentinaa Chainberlain
"because todrick made a cinderonce and beyonce is black and so is all of them"
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11. Groovy Iyanna
"Why are u so tall or so short cause u were born that and they werent all black ur stupid."
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12. jalisas
"Bc he's black."
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13. Nyasia Gg
"That's just rude rude"
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14. Jazmin gonzàlez
"Oh my God Tiliya Smith, you can't just ask people why they're black! *mean girls lol"
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15. Nature Queen
"Why would you ask something so ridiculous?"
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16. Alana Rhiannon
"Cause black people are FABULOUS‼️"
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17. Nature Queen
"+Alana Coe YAAASSS!"
**
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18. Alicia Vintage
"Because they can be"
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19. Venessa Siaosi, 2015
"Cuz they can...Beyoncé is, and she's famous, That's Awesome that she is (it doesn't really matter) anyways...DEAL WITH IT!!!"
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Sub-thread #2
These are selected comments from another sub-thread in that video's viewer comment thread.
Profanity that is included in one of these comments has been deleted and noted as per this blog's policy.
2015
1. Leemaid2010
"This has to be my fav video of his. One where the black ppl aren't acting ratcheted or ghetto. I wish he would do more videos like this"
-snip-
Update: 10/18/2016 1:10 PM
Read a definition for "ratchet" in the comment section below. A pancocojams post on the word "ratchet" will be published ASAP and its link will be added to this post.
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2. Anthony Wikio-Maurangi
"He's already gone over this many times before. You must be new here...
Less than 10 out of the 300 videos Todrick has uploaded contain black people acting 'ratchet'. Watch the other 290 videos if you have a problem with it."
**
2016
3. Leemaid2010
"+Zachary Khan I'm talking about a video like this where it's 100% black ppl and are not acting like black stereotypes. This is lovely and I wish he would do more."
-snip-
I didn't find the comment from Zachary Khan that Leemaid2010 is responding to. However, what he wrote can be surmised from her response.
**
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4. Jeffy Cherian
"That's actually kind of racist because what if a white person was like I wish he would make more videos with 100% white people."
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5. Miss Cyanide
"+Jeffy Cherian this has nothing to do with that. All he said is he liked it when it's not all about how ratchet black people are. That has nothing to do with how there is 100% black people. Every other fucking video has enough white people in it. Every [profanity deleted] place on earth has enough white people. It's nice to see a change."
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6. Sabrinachic45
"+Jeffy Cherian Stop. Racism implies more than just discrimination, but power. White culture has power over minorities. Therefore, you cannot be racist against the power structure. It doesn't work. Second of all, EVERYTHING ALREADY APPLIES TO YOUR DESCRIPTION! Have you noticed that every facet of media is saturated with white faces? Take your racism elsewhere."
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7. Jeffy Cherian
"Okay so it's not okay for a white person to say I wish he'd make more videos that has 100% white people, right? So why is it okay for a black person to say I wish he'd make more videos that has 100% black people? Whatever happened to equality..."
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8. Leemaid2010
"+Jeffy Cherian Dude this is a black man making music videos. He's allowed to have video that only has black ppl. That's not racist at all. If you want something with just all white ppl go watch tv or look at a magazine."
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9. Malini Basdeo
"+Jeffy Cherian if you want equality then there should actually be a LOT more videos with only black people in them, since white people dominate the media and all we are used to seeing are white people in videos. if you're preaching for equality, step down first."
**
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10. O Sparks
"No one called Justin Bieber racist when he made his 'Sorry' music video. It's 100% white... and they're twerking O.o"
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Comment Section #3: Selected stand alone comments*
*Stand Alone Comments- comments that don't appear to be published as though they were part of any sub-thread
2016
1. William North
"Shame this has to be ruined by a discussion, primarily by one chick about all black videos being made and how she wants more like them. Honey, if we haven't gotten to the point yet where it doesn't matter how many white or blacks on in a video, then we sad! The STAR is black...that should make you a little happy, or you want more?"
**
2. gabriellas channel
"Well white people are in a lot of videos so yh"
**
3. Demeter's Daughter
"The fact that all the dancers/actors are black. Yasssssss!!!!"
****
This concludes Part I of this series.
Thanks for visiting pancocojams.
Visitor comments are welcome.
This is Part I of a two part pancocojams series that showcases the parody video "Cinderonce" by Todrick Hall.
Part I presents that video and highlights discussions in that video's viewer comment thread about why the entire cast is Black.
Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/10/todrick-halls-video-cinderonce-youtube_18.html for Part II of this post. Part II presents that video and highlights a discussion in that video's viewer comment thread about why Cinderonce doesn't have a natural hairstyle for the royal ball.
The content of this post is presented for cultural, sociological, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Todrick Hall and his cast for this parody video of the well known European fairy tale "Cinderella". Thanks also to Beyonce for the songs that are featured in this video. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
****
SHOWCASE VIDEO: Cinderonce by Todrick Hall
todrickhall, Published on Aug 20, 2013
....
STARRING
Tiffany Daniels as Cinderonce
Unterrio Edwards AKA Mia Fierce as Anastasia
Miles Jai as Drizella
Vonzell Solomon as The Evil Stepmother
Todrick Hall as Prince Charming
Shangela as The Fairy Dragmother
Joshua Allen as The Duke
-snip-
All the songs are Beyonce’s records – hence the video's title “Cinderonce”.
In 2015 commenter Boubakar D posted this list of Beyonce songs that are found in Todrick Hall's "Cinderonce".
1. Halo ( 0:10 )
2. Diva ( 0:40 )
3. Freakum Dress ( 1:34)
4. Single Ladies ( 2:22)
5. I Been On (Never Officially Released) ( 2:59 )
6. 1+1 ( 3:15 ) (Later on samples "Hello" and "End of Time")
7. Countdown ( 4:54 )
8. Why Don't You Love Me ( 5:06 )
9. Love On Top ( 5:54 ) (With Dangerously In Love)
****
SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD: QUESTION: WHY IS THE ENTIRE CAST BLACK?
These comments are divided into three sections. The comments in each section are given in chronological order with the oldest comments given first, except for replies. I've numbered these comments for referencing purposes only.
Disclaimer: This is not meant to imply that the only discussions about race in that YouTube comment thread were these two sub-threads. There were a number of other comments with replies and without replies about race and about racism, including the comments highlighted in Part II of this series.
****
Sub-thread #1
Note: This is the complete sub-thread as of the publishing date/time of this pancocojams post.
2014
1. tiliya smith
"Why are they all black??"
**
Reply
2. Kiara Ligans
"Because it's todrick mutha effin hall and he can do what he pleases"
**
Reply
3. Taja Dominique
"+Kiara Ligans lmao duhh"
**
Reply
4. Shannon Strickland
"Why does no one question it when there's only white people in music videos??"
**
Reply
5. holly_stoxx
"^^preach it"
**
Reply
6. charlotte R. Van der Haer
"+tiliya smith Why not?"
**
Reply
7. Sarah Taylor
"Why in Cinderella are they all white?"
**
Reply
8. ChantalPerezify
"facepalms @ OP"
-snip-
OP = Original Poster
**
Reply
9. Mary Mboyo
"Because all of them were born black duh"
**
Reply
10. Valentinaa Chainberlain
"because todrick made a cinderonce and beyonce is black and so is all of them"
**
Reply
11. Groovy Iyanna
"Why are u so tall or so short cause u were born that and they werent all black ur stupid."
**
Reply
12. jalisas
"Bc he's black."
**
Reply
13. Nyasia Gg
"That's just rude rude"
**
Reply
14. Jazmin gonzàlez
"Oh my God Tiliya Smith, you can't just ask people why they're black! *mean girls lol"
**
Reply
15. Nature Queen
"Why would you ask something so ridiculous?"
**
Reply
16. Alana Rhiannon
"Cause black people are FABULOUS‼️"
**
Reply
17. Nature Queen
"+Alana Coe YAAASSS!"
**
Reply
18. Alicia Vintage
"Because they can be"
**
Reply
19. Venessa Siaosi, 2015
"Cuz they can...Beyoncé is, and she's famous, That's Awesome that she is (it doesn't really matter) anyways...DEAL WITH IT!!!"
****
Sub-thread #2
These are selected comments from another sub-thread in that video's viewer comment thread.
Profanity that is included in one of these comments has been deleted and noted as per this blog's policy.
2015
1. Leemaid2010
"This has to be my fav video of his. One where the black ppl aren't acting ratcheted or ghetto. I wish he would do more videos like this"
-snip-
Update: 10/18/2016 1:10 PM
Read a definition for "ratchet" in the comment section below. A pancocojams post on the word "ratchet" will be published ASAP and its link will be added to this post.
**
Reply
2. Anthony Wikio-Maurangi
"He's already gone over this many times before. You must be new here...
Less than 10 out of the 300 videos Todrick has uploaded contain black people acting 'ratchet'. Watch the other 290 videos if you have a problem with it."
**
2016
3. Leemaid2010
"+Zachary Khan I'm talking about a video like this where it's 100% black ppl and are not acting like black stereotypes. This is lovely and I wish he would do more."
-snip-
I didn't find the comment from Zachary Khan that Leemaid2010 is responding to. However, what he wrote can be surmised from her response.
**
Reply
4. Jeffy Cherian
"That's actually kind of racist because what if a white person was like I wish he would make more videos with 100% white people."
**
5. Miss Cyanide
"+Jeffy Cherian this has nothing to do with that. All he said is he liked it when it's not all about how ratchet black people are. That has nothing to do with how there is 100% black people. Every other fucking video has enough white people in it. Every [profanity deleted] place on earth has enough white people. It's nice to see a change."
**
Reply
6. Sabrinachic45
"+Jeffy Cherian Stop. Racism implies more than just discrimination, but power. White culture has power over minorities. Therefore, you cannot be racist against the power structure. It doesn't work. Second of all, EVERYTHING ALREADY APPLIES TO YOUR DESCRIPTION! Have you noticed that every facet of media is saturated with white faces? Take your racism elsewhere."
**
7. Jeffy Cherian
"Okay so it's not okay for a white person to say I wish he'd make more videos that has 100% white people, right? So why is it okay for a black person to say I wish he'd make more videos that has 100% black people? Whatever happened to equality..."
**
8. Leemaid2010
"+Jeffy Cherian Dude this is a black man making music videos. He's allowed to have video that only has black ppl. That's not racist at all. If you want something with just all white ppl go watch tv or look at a magazine."
**
Reply
9. Malini Basdeo
"+Jeffy Cherian if you want equality then there should actually be a LOT more videos with only black people in them, since white people dominate the media and all we are used to seeing are white people in videos. if you're preaching for equality, step down first."
**
Reply
10. O Sparks
"No one called Justin Bieber racist when he made his 'Sorry' music video. It's 100% white... and they're twerking O.o"
**
Comment Section #3: Selected stand alone comments*
*Stand Alone Comments- comments that don't appear to be published as though they were part of any sub-thread
2016
1. William North
"Shame this has to be ruined by a discussion, primarily by one chick about all black videos being made and how she wants more like them. Honey, if we haven't gotten to the point yet where it doesn't matter how many white or blacks on in a video, then we sad! The STAR is black...that should make you a little happy, or you want more?"
**
2. gabriellas channel
"Well white people are in a lot of videos so yh"
**
3. Demeter's Daughter
"The fact that all the dancers/actors are black. Yasssssss!!!!"
****
This concludes Part I of this series.
Thanks for visiting pancocojams.
Visitor comments are welcome.
Thursday, July 31, 2014
An Example Of "Izzle" Language & African American Vernacular English In A Popular 2006 McDonald's YouTube Video Clip (performed by Todrick Hall)
Edited by Azizi Powell
Latest revision - August 7, 2023 [title change and added content]
This post showcases an example of a popular, customer composed video clip enactment of a man placing an order at a McDonald's [fast food restaurant] drive in. That clip includes a form of secret language that is created by using the "izzle" suffix. That clip also includes some African American Vernacular English (AAVE) words and phrases.
Todrick Hall is the composer and the performer of the rap that is performed in that video clip. Hall went on to achieve Broadway and television celebrity status. Information about Todrick Hall is included in this pancocojams post.
This post includes the lyrics to this McDonalds drive through rap and information about the secret language that is created by using the "izzle" suffix. In addition, this post presents my analysis of examples of African American Vernacular English in that ad.
The content of this post is presented for cultural, linguistic, and entertainment purposes.
Thank to Todrick Hall who composed & performed this rap. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post and also to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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INFORMATION ABOUT TODRICK HALL
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todrick_Hall
"Todrick Hall (born April 4, 1985) is an American singer, choreographer, and YouTuber. He gained national attention on the ninth season of the televised singing competition American Idol. Following this, he amassed a huge following on YouTube with viral videos including original songs, parodies, and skits. A documentary series about his video-making process titled Todrick aired on MTV in 2015.
Latest revision - August 7, 2023 [title change and added content]
This post showcases an example of a popular, customer composed video clip enactment of a man placing an order at a McDonald's [fast food restaurant] drive in. That clip includes a form of secret language that is created by using the "izzle" suffix. That clip also includes some African American Vernacular English (AAVE) words and phrases.
Todrick Hall is the composer and the performer of the rap that is performed in that video clip. Hall went on to achieve Broadway and television celebrity status. Information about Todrick Hall is included in this pancocojams post.
This post includes the lyrics to this McDonalds drive through rap and information about the secret language that is created by using the "izzle" suffix. In addition, this post presents my analysis of examples of African American Vernacular English in that ad.
The content of this post is presented for cultural, linguistic, and entertainment purposes.
Thank to Todrick Hall who composed & performed this rap. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post and also to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
****
INFORMATION ABOUT TODRICK HALL
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todrick_Hall
"Todrick Hall (born April 4, 1985) is an American singer, choreographer, and YouTuber. He gained national attention on the ninth season of the televised singing competition American Idol. Following this, he amassed a huge following on YouTube with viral videos including original songs, parodies, and skits. A documentary series about his video-making process titled Todrick aired on MTV in 2015.
Starting with season eight, Hall became a resident choreographer and occasional judge on RuPaul's Drag Race.[3][4] From 2016 to 2017, Hall starred as Lola in Kinky Boots on Broadway. Later in 2017, he began appearances as Billy Flynn in Chicago on Broadway and the West End.
Hall has released four studio albums, including the visual albums Straight Outta Oz (2016) and Forbidden (2018). In 2020, he released an EP, Quarantine Queen, in response to the COVID-19 pandemic featuring "Mask, Gloves, Soap, Scrub", and was the international host of Global Pride 2020
[...]
[Todrick Hall] joined the video-sharing platform YouTube in May 2006,
and made over 300 videos in the next five years.[9][14][1] His first video,
filmed while still living in Texas, was "a hilarious clip of him singing
his order to a McDonald's drive-through speaker (complete with backup
singers)".[9][19] The video has since received over ten million views."...
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INFORMATION ABOUT THE LANGUAGE THAT IS CREATED BY USING THE IZZLE SUFFIX
From https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-izzle
"Etymology
INFORMATION ABOUT THE LANGUAGE THAT IS CREATED BY USING THE IZZLE SUFFIX
From https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-izzle
"Etymology
Popularized by rap artist Snoop Dogg, but first put to
record by Frankie Smith's 1981 "Double Dutch Bus"[1] is from a style
of cant (esoteric slang) used by African American pimps and jive hustlers of
the 1970s. The “-iz, -izzle, -izzo, -ilz” speak (which also uses an infix
-iz-), similar in some ways to Pig Latin, was developed by African Americans
around the period of the Harlem Renaissance, with hotspots of the speak in
Oakland, New York City, and Philadelphia. It was partially developed as young
African American girls improvised chants and nursery rhymes while jumping rope,
with the -iz dialect serving to add syllables when necessary to maintain the
rhythm. A similar -iz dialect has also been used by carnies (carnival workers).
Suffix
-izzle
(slang) Forms hip-hop-sounding words, which replaces the
word with the first sound of the word followed by -izzle."
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Read an explanation below about the words ending in "izzle" that are included in Todrick Hall's McDonalds rap.
SHOWCASE VIDEOS
Example #1: McDonald's Rap with Lyrics!!!
carfreak0801 Uploaded on May 11, 2008
PLEASE WATCH!!! This is the McDonald's Rap with lyrics. It took me a long time to put this together so please watch this.
The song and lyrics were from camneedsthis and Pictures were from Google.
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Example #2: McDonalds drive thru rap
megha963, Published on Apr 19, 2013
That was so cool to listen !
-snip-
Another video was previously featured, but is no longer available.
Here are a few comments from this video's discussion thread:
[written in response to a comment that the singer was a professional]
Kagami Shinami, 2015
"+michelle martinez its todrickhall"
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Reply
JStar101567, 2015
"he is not a professional but he has a tv show now he was on American idol his name is Todrick Hall"
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Queenynel Gibson, 2015
"He auditioned for American idol a few years back. But he's sorta an celebrity now."
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LYRICS: MCDONALD RAP
Boom, Boom Boom Big Mac
Boom, Boom Boom Big Mac(said throughout song for beat)
I need a double cheeseburger and hold the lettuce
Don't be frontin' son no seeds on a bun
We be up in this drive thru
Order for two
I gots a craving for a number nine like my shoe
We need some chicken up in here
In this dizzle
For rizzle my nizzle
Extra salt on the frizzle
Dr. Pepper my brother
Another for your mother
Double double super size
And don't forget the FRIES......................
Crispy
-lilf96, https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080409142644AA0xN9D, Mcdonalds rap lyrics?, 2009
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EXPLANATIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE WORDS AND PHRASES IN THIS RAP
(These words/phrases are assigned numbers for referencing purposes.)
1. "Don't be frontin' son" = Don't pretend like you are going to do something but actually aren't going to do it.
-snip-
Read other definitions of "frontin", my comment about the possible origin of that slang word in the Addendum #1 of this post. That Addendum also contains my comments the use of "son" in the line "Don't be frontin' son".
2. We be up in this drive thru = We're at [or "We're in"] this drive-through [line].
-snip-
"Up in here" is also sometimes given as "all up in here".
In those usages, "all up" [in here] are intensifiers that both convey the same meaning as the word "really".
From http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-582760.html Peremensoe, 10-22-2010, 09:58 PM
...[quoting] "up" as an intensifier is also seen in "up in my face" which describes a situation in which a person has confronted you on a particular issue (perhaps, without justification). It means exactly the same thing as saying a person "got in your face" about the subject, just more so.
Right. Up means active, aroused, energized, focused, like starting up an engine. You put your guard up. If somebody bothers you, you may get either your dander or your ire up.
Being in somebody's face is confrontational, but up in somebody's face is flat-out asking for a fight. Being in a nightclub means you're there, but up in the club means you're really on the scene."
3. I gots a craving for a number nine like my shoe = I have a craving for the item that is listed as number 9, that number being the same as my shoe size.
4. We need some chicken up in here = "up in here" means "right here"
5. In this dizzle /For rizzle my nizzle/Extra salt on the frizzle" = in this [?]*, for real, my [n word], extra salt on the [French] fries
* A commenter on one of the many video viewer comment threads for this rap wrote that "dizzle " was supposed to be "hizzle" which would be "izzle" talk for "house" (even though the person rapping wasn't actually in a house.)
7. Dr. Pepper my brother = ordering a Dr. Pepper carbonated drink; the use of the "my brother" referent is to show a congenial familiarity with another man (who isn't actually part of your family). "Bro", "brutha" and "sister", "sis", "sistah" are also used for the same purpose. While these family referents used to used by Black people as references to other Black people only, they are now used by any person as a sign of familiarity toward any other person regardless of their race or ethnicity.
8. Another for your mother - I wonder if this line originally was "another for my mother". "For your mother" (meaning another [Dr. Pepper] for the mother of the McDonalds worker sounds to me like its too close to the "Your Mama" ("Yo Mama" dozens put down/insult game.
-snip-
Also, "Double double super size" probably refers to a super sized double [ham]burger
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ADDENDUM #1
Here are some definitions of the African American slang word "frontin" from
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=frontin
1. "frontin
to pretend or act like somethin or someone your not.
Quit Frontin man you know yo ass aint got a job! "
by Juicy August 05, 2004
-snip-
Note: The form of African American Vernacular English in which a person is referred to by saying "your ass" or "your butt". Another example: A mother or father saying to her or his child "Get your butt down here".
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2. frontin
"to put on a false disguise usually to impress others
Why you frontin man? we all know you live with yo mamma!
by irish kiwi from samoa October 07, 2003
-snip-
In this example, the word "yo" means "your".
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3. frontin'
Verb. To put up a false facade. See frontin
Yo, check out backstreet over there frontin in his hyundizzay.
by 50 cent crack dealer July 15, 2003
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In this example, the word "yo" means something like "Hey".
"Backstreet" appears to be a put down nickname for a man.
"hyundizzay" is the Hyundai car with that brand name spelled with izzay gibberish talk.
-snip-
My guess is that the slang word "frontin" was coined in the 1950s or earlier to mean acting like something you're not because of the custom in poor African American neighborhoods of using a small, rundown business (known as a "storefront") as a façade for a legitimate "mom *& pop" store which sold food items, milk, candy, toiletries etc.) when that place was actually being used as a center for "numbers running" or other illegal gambling operation.
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The word "son" in the line "Don't be frontin' son" (from the McDonald's rap showcased above) probably just conveys familiarity to someone younger than the speaker. However, in 2009 Ed Lover, the host of the American television show Yo! MTV Raps "created a series on YouTube titled "C’mon, Son!" in which he criticized the errant acts of celebrities." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Lover
The word "son" in "C'mon son" means that the person addressed is acting foolishly or has said something foolish like a child, or someone young would do. Since Ed Lover popularized "C'mon son" it has been used as a commentary on something stupid or foolish a male or a female has said or done. That saying means "Really, you should know better than to say [or do] that."
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Example #1: McDonald's Rap with Lyrics!!!
carfreak0801 Uploaded on May 11, 2008
PLEASE WATCH!!! This is the McDonald's Rap with lyrics. It took me a long time to put this together so please watch this.
The song and lyrics were from camneedsthis and Pictures were from Google.
****
Example #2: McDonalds drive thru rap
megha963, Published on Apr 19, 2013
That was so cool to listen !
-snip-
Another video was previously featured, but is no longer available.
Here are a few comments from this video's discussion thread:
[written in response to a comment that the singer was a professional]
Kagami Shinami, 2015
"+michelle martinez its todrickhall"
**
Reply
JStar101567, 2015
"he is not a professional but he has a tv show now he was on American idol his name is Todrick Hall"
**
Queenynel Gibson, 2015
"He auditioned for American idol a few years back. But he's sorta an celebrity now."
****
LYRICS: MCDONALD RAP
Boom, Boom Boom Big Mac
Boom, Boom Boom Big Mac(said throughout song for beat)
I need a double cheeseburger and hold the lettuce
Don't be frontin' son no seeds on a bun
We be up in this drive thru
Order for two
I gots a craving for a number nine like my shoe
We need some chicken up in here
In this dizzle
For rizzle my nizzle
Extra salt on the frizzle
Dr. Pepper my brother
Another for your mother
Double double super size
And don't forget the FRIES......................
Crispy
-lilf96, https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080409142644AA0xN9D, Mcdonalds rap lyrics?, 2009
****
EXPLANATIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE WORDS AND PHRASES IN THIS RAP
(These words/phrases are assigned numbers for referencing purposes.)
1. "Don't be frontin' son" = Don't pretend like you are going to do something but actually aren't going to do it.
-snip-
Read other definitions of "frontin", my comment about the possible origin of that slang word in the Addendum #1 of this post. That Addendum also contains my comments the use of "son" in the line "Don't be frontin' son".
2. We be up in this drive thru = We're at [or "We're in"] this drive-through [line].
-snip-
"Up in here" is also sometimes given as "all up in here".
In those usages, "all up" [in here] are intensifiers that both convey the same meaning as the word "really".
From http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-582760.html Peremensoe, 10-22-2010, 09:58 PM
...[quoting] "up" as an intensifier is also seen in "up in my face" which describes a situation in which a person has confronted you on a particular issue (perhaps, without justification). It means exactly the same thing as saying a person "got in your face" about the subject, just more so.
Right. Up means active, aroused, energized, focused, like starting up an engine. You put your guard up. If somebody bothers you, you may get either your dander or your ire up.
Being in somebody's face is confrontational, but up in somebody's face is flat-out asking for a fight. Being in a nightclub means you're there, but up in the club means you're really on the scene."
3. I gots a craving for a number nine like my shoe = I have a craving for the item that is listed as number 9, that number being the same as my shoe size.
4. We need some chicken up in here = "up in here" means "right here"
5. In this dizzle /For rizzle my nizzle/Extra salt on the frizzle" = in this [?]*, for real, my [n word], extra salt on the [French] fries
* A commenter on one of the many video viewer comment threads for this rap wrote that "dizzle " was supposed to be "hizzle" which would be "izzle" talk for "house" (even though the person rapping wasn't actually in a house.)
7. Dr. Pepper my brother = ordering a Dr. Pepper carbonated drink; the use of the "my brother" referent is to show a congenial familiarity with another man (who isn't actually part of your family). "Bro", "brutha" and "sister", "sis", "sistah" are also used for the same purpose. While these family referents used to used by Black people as references to other Black people only, they are now used by any person as a sign of familiarity toward any other person regardless of their race or ethnicity.
8. Another for your mother - I wonder if this line originally was "another for my mother". "For your mother" (meaning another [Dr. Pepper] for the mother of the McDonalds worker sounds to me like its too close to the "Your Mama" ("Yo Mama" dozens put down/insult game.
-snip-
Also, "Double double super size" probably refers to a super sized double [ham]burger
****
ADDENDUM #1
Here are some definitions of the African American slang word "frontin" from
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=frontin
1. "frontin
to pretend or act like somethin or someone your not.
Quit Frontin man you know yo ass aint got a job! "
by Juicy August 05, 2004
-snip-
Note: The form of African American Vernacular English in which a person is referred to by saying "your ass" or "your butt". Another example: A mother or father saying to her or his child "Get your butt down here".
**
2. frontin
"to put on a false disguise usually to impress others
Why you frontin man? we all know you live with yo mamma!
by irish kiwi from samoa October 07, 2003
-snip-
In this example, the word "yo" means "your".
****
3. frontin'
Verb. To put up a false facade. See frontin
Yo, check out backstreet over there frontin in his hyundizzay.
by 50 cent crack dealer July 15, 2003
-snip-
In this example, the word "yo" means something like "Hey".
"Backstreet" appears to be a put down nickname for a man.
"hyundizzay" is the Hyundai car with that brand name spelled with izzay gibberish talk.
-snip-
My guess is that the slang word "frontin" was coined in the 1950s or earlier to mean acting like something you're not because of the custom in poor African American neighborhoods of using a small, rundown business (known as a "storefront") as a façade for a legitimate "mom *& pop" store which sold food items, milk, candy, toiletries etc.) when that place was actually being used as a center for "numbers running" or other illegal gambling operation.
****
The word "son" in the line "Don't be frontin' son" (from the McDonald's rap showcased above) probably just conveys familiarity to someone younger than the speaker. However, in 2009 Ed Lover, the host of the American television show Yo! MTV Raps "created a series on YouTube titled "C’mon, Son!" in which he criticized the errant acts of celebrities." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Lover
The word "son" in "C'mon son" means that the person addressed is acting foolishly or has said something foolish like a child, or someone young would do. Since Ed Lover popularized "C'mon son" it has been used as a commentary on something stupid or foolish a male or a female has said or done. That saying means "Really, you should know better than to say [or do] that."
****
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