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Sunday, January 24, 2021

Theories About The Origins & Use Of Variant Colloquial Words For "Man" Such As "Mane", "Mayne", & "Mehn"

 Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II of a four part pancocojams series about variant colloquial spellings of the word "man" such as "mane", "manye", "mehn"* and others.

This post provides my Editorian notes about this subject and also provides one online excerpt and one complete reprint about the origin of or meanings of two variant colloquial spellings for the word "man" (the word "manze" in Sheng, a Pidgin language used in Kenya Tanzania, and Uganda; and the word "mehn" that is used in Nigerian Pidgin English (and elsewhere).

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/01/bo-diddleys-1955-rock-n-roll-song-im.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. That post includes comments from several discussion threads of YouTube sound files or videos about how Bo Diddley pronounces the word "man" in his 1955 hit song "I'm A Man" and in his performances of that song.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/01/examples-of-variant-colloquial-words.html for Part III of this pancocojams series. Part III documents examples of variant colloquial spelling for the word "man" from some YouTube discussion threads About Bo Diddley's "I'm A Man" Record.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/01/examples-of-variant-colloquial-words_25.html for Part IV of this pancocojams series. That post documents examples of variant colloquial words for "man" from some discussion threads for YouTube videos of some contemporary African music genres.

The content of this post is presented for linguistic and cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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*"Mehn", a variant spelling of the word "man" shouldn't be confused with the word "meh". Here's a definition of the word "meh" from 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meh#:~:text=Meh%20(%2Fm%C9%9B%2F),question%20or%20subject%20at%20hand
"
Meh (/mɛ/) is an interjection used as an expression of indifference or boredom. It is often regarded as a verbal equivalent of a shrug of the shoulders. The use of the term "meh" shows that the speaker is apathetic, uninterested, or indifferent to the question or subject at hand. It is occasionally used as an adjective, meaning something is mediocre or unremarkable."

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HOW THE WORD "MANE" IS PRONOUNCED & RELATED NOTES  [Added Sept. 22, 2021]

Disclaimer: This is my opinion about these words and how they are pronounced. Additions and corrections are welcome.

"Mane" is one of several African American Vernacular English spellings for the colloquial referent "man". The word "mane" is pronounced by elongating the word "man". The letter "e" at the end isn't spoken, but is used to differentiate the slang word and pronunciation "man" from the standard English word and pronunciation "man".

The words "mayne" and "menh" may also be pronounced the same way as noted above. However, the word "manes" or "manze" is probably pronounced "mans", sometimes meaning "one man" and sometimes meaning "more than one man". When the words "mans" (or "manse" or "manze") is used by African Americans, I believe it is often done incorrectly on purpose as a way of mimicking [for one reason or another] how some Black people talk or used to talk (particularly working class or poor Black people) or mimicking what some non-Black people think is the way many African Americans talk. As such, "mans", "manse" and "manze" are used instead of using the correct standard English words "man" or "men".

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THEORIES ABOUT VARIANT COLLOQUIAL SPELLINGS FOR THE WORD "MAN" 
My position is that the variant colloquial spellings for the English word "man" have been greatly influenced by the way that some African Americans -particularly some African Americans from the South- pronounce that word. 

For example, in Part I of this pancocojams series, I shared some comments from several discussion threads about Bo Diddley's 1955 song "I'm A Man". Some commenters in that discussion thead compaired how Bo Diddley pronounced the English word "man" with the name for the state of Maine (in the United States). I believe that Bo Diddley's pronounciation of the word "man" was largely influenced by his growing up in the South (McComb, Mississippi).

Muddy Waters was also born and raised in the South (Stovall, Mississippi). This comment exchange supports my theory that the pronunciation that the two Bluesmen used for the word "man" came from their Southern upbringing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5IOou6qN1o&ab_channel=GtrWorkShp 
Muddy Waters plays "Manish Boy", published by GtrWorkshop, Nov 16, 2007

Michael Morgan, 2016
"MAIN"

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Reply
Mike C, 2018
"It's southern dialogue! Check out lil boosie and few other southern rap artists."
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While that pronunciation of the word "man" precedes the 1970s, I believe that the variant (Southern) colloquial spellings for the word "man" became popularized in the United States in the 1970s and on because Hip Hop culture promoted/promotes the use of non-standard spelling for words based on the ways those words actually sound. 

In addition, Hip Hop culture and later internet and texting cultures promote the use of alternative spellings for standard words that come from African American and.or from other Black cultures such as from Nigerian Pidgin English because the way those words were/are spelled and pronounced were/are considered to be "hip"/"cool" (and therefore those people who use those words are considered hip/cool.) 

For instance, "phat" is an example of African Amerian spelling of the standard English word "fat" whose meaning changed with that spelling. That African American Vernacular English word is no longer used (I believe since the early or mid 1990s). Click 
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chewing-the-phat/ for information about the word "phat".

The use of variant colloquial spellings for some other standard English words come from Jamaican Patwa. The spelling of the words "fire" in Jamaican Patwa ("fiyah", "fiya" etc) is an example of a Jamaican Patwa word that has retrained its standard English meaning, although other meanings have been added to it. 

This post includes a few online excerpts about the use of alternate spellings for the word "man" (and/or "men"). I'm interested in learning more about when and where alternate spellings for the word "man" (and/or the word "men") were/are used. Please share any thoughts you have or links that you are aware of on this subject. Thanks in advance!

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A FEW ONLINE EXCERPTS ABOUT THIS SUBJECT
Excerpt #1
From 
https://www.sheng.co.ke/kamusi/index.php?word_id=1637#:~:text=Manze%2D%20(Interjection.),usually%20when%20one%20is%20exasperated)
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Manze- (Interjection.) [ man-ze ]

Meaning : Man! (exclamation usually when one is exasperated)

Use : Manze jo! niaje na wewe bana?! = Oh man!! what's with you?!

Period: Late 70's

Synonyms: Maze,

Spelling variation: Maze

 

Area of origin : Unknown

Etymology:

Frmo English phrase "oh man!""

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Full Reprint #2 
[This is the entire posts from this link, except their "Senior member" designation and except for  repeated previous statements.]
  
From https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/mehn-nigerian-english.3652499/ mehn [Nigerian English?]

KGregoryA

St Petersburg, Russia

Russian

Jan 11, 2020

#1

"Hello everybody.

Need your help again.

A Nigerian guy (from Obioma’s “Orchestra of minorities”) who was cheated by his school friend Jamike and lost much money is looking for that bad guy Jamike, he comes to an apartment where Jamike is supposed to be and stands at the door and hears voices inside:

He waited at the door, his hand on his chest, as it seemed that he could hear Jamike’s distinct voice among them, shouting in his swaggering tone with the prominent echo of “mehn.”

Can you tell me what does “mehn” mean here?

Thanks for your help.

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owlman 5

Colorado

English-US

Jan 11, 2020

#2

"Assuming that Jamike is speaking English, I'd say that this is Obioma's attempt to convey Jamike's unusual pronunciation of a word like man or men."

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KGregoryA

St Petersburg, Russia

Russian

Jan 11, 2020

#3

"Thanks. In other words it is a kind of macho tone?"

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owlman5

Colorado

English-US

Jan 11, 2020

#4

"You're welcome. Mehn doesn't strike me as macho. Instead, it looks like Obioma's attempt to reproduce a pronunciation that has been influenced by some African language."

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Jan 11, 2020

KGregoryA

St Petersburg, Russia

Russian

Jan 11, 2020

#5

"ОК, thanks a lot"
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These are the only online discussion that I've found to date about variant spellings for the  English word "man" or "men".

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Did Bo Diddley's 1955 song "I'm A Man" Influence The Variant Colloquial Spelling "Mane" & Other Variant Spellings Of The Word "Man"



BBC Music, May 29, 2020

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part I of a four part pancocojams post about variant colloquial spellings of the English word "man" such as "mane", "manye", "mehn" and others.

This post includes comments from several discussion threads of YouTube sound files or videos about how Bo Diddley pronounces the word "man" in his 1955 hit song "I'm A Man" and in his performances of that song.

Also, Excerpt #5 of this post provides comments about Muddy Water's pronounciation of the word "man" as documented in his Blue song "Mannish Boy". Both Bo Diddley and Muddy Waters were from Mississippi. 

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/01/theories-about-origins-use-of-variant.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. Part II provides my Editor's notes also provides one online excerpt and one complete reprint about the origin of or meanings of two variant colloquial spellings for the word "man" (the word "manze" in Sheng, a Pidgin language used in Kenya Tanzania, and Uganda; and the word "mehn" that is used in Nigerian Pidgin English (and elsewhere).

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/01/examples-of-variant-colloquial-words.htmlfor Part III of this pancocojams series. Part III documents examples of variant colloquial spelling for the word "man" from some YouTube discussion threads About Bo Diddley's "I'm A Man" Record.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/01/examples-of-variant-colloquial-words_25.html for Part IV of this pancocojams series. That post documents examples of variant colloquial words for "man" from some discussion threads for YouTube videos of some contemporary African music genres.

The content of this post is presented for linguistic and cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Bo Diddley for his cultural legacy. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and a thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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Click the tags below for other pancocojams posts about Bo Diddley and his song "I'm A Man". 

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HOW THE WORD "MANE" IS PRONOUNCED & RELATED NOTES  [Added Sept. 22, 2021]
"Mane" is one of several African American Vernacular English spellings for the colloquial referent "man". That word is pronounced by elongating the word "man". The letter "e" at the end isn't spoken, but is used to differentiate the slang word and pronunciation "man" from the standard English word and pronunciation "man".

The words "mayne" and "menh" may also be pronounced the same way as noted above. However, the word "manes" or "manze" is probably pronounced "mans", sometimes meaning "one man" and sometimes meaning "more than one man". When the words "mans" (or "manse" or "manze") is used by African Americans, I believe it is usually done incorrectly on purpose as a way of mimicing what some non-Black people think is the way some African Americans talk. "Mans", "manse" and "manze" are used instead of using the correct standard English words "man" or "men". 

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM VARIOUS DISCUSSION THREADS
These comments are numbered for referencing purposes only.

Excerpt #1
From: I'm A Man
"Muddy, Bo, and Little Walter

Some Good Blues"

1. Tee Cee, 2010
"I'm a MAYNE!  Lovin' this ish!"

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2. Tommy Lee, 2011
"IM A MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN"

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3. E. Will, 2011
"5 people definitely aint natural born manes"
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This comment refers to the number of people at the time that comment was written who had clicked the "dislike" icon for this video.

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4. amd77j, 2013
"This is what YouTube is all about. Right here. "I'm a mane.....a full grown mane". Yessir, THIS IS IT!!!!"

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Excerpt #2 [sound file summary statement]
 Bo Diddley - I'm A Man (live 1959)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWWj8UzqRpE&ab_channel=TerryLDaniels
TerryLDaniels, Uploaded on Dec 23, 2010

Live at Cornell University. Bo really embraces the "mayygn" pronunciation here and stops singing after two verses, filling the rest of the performance with atonal slides and "mumbles" in addition to standard blues licks.
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The short discussion thread for this sound file doesn't include any comments about how Bo Diddley pronounced the word "man"

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Excerpt #3
Bo Diddley - I Am A Man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaC5ZKRjLUM&ab_channel=John1948TwoA2
John1948TwoA2, Jan 28, 2011

Pancocojams Editor's Note:
The discussion thread for this sound file includes a lot of comments that compared Bo Diddley's pronunciation of the word "man" with the pronunciation for the name for "Maine" (a New England state in the United States). Here are a few of those comments:


iron grip 455, 2013
"this is great it makes me feel like a Maine like a real Maine"

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J C, 2015
"M-A-N, MAINE"

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RossBayCult, 2018
"Best song about Maine ever."

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faty Mix, 2020
"I’m a Maine!"

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Reply
Oldies Guy, 2020
"Maine that's crazy!"

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Rip Sean Taylor, 2019
"4-3-19 . I'm a Maine . M A N"

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Felipe Lago, 2020

"I spell M-A-N....

MAINE"

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Pancocojams Editor's Note:
Here are two other comments from that discussion thread about how Bo Diddley pronounced the word "man":

satine dali, 2018
"Mane"

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Chris, 2019
"Man, main, mayne, mane."

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Excerpt #4
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYti8CIiOak&ab_channel=Choock5219 "Bo Diddley - I'm A Man - 1955", published by Choock5219  on Jul 10, 2014

Samuele Tozzi, 2019
"I [profanity deleted] love his pronunciation of "Man", it's just too cool!"

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Cooler Chanakya, 2021
"i am a Mayn"

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Excerpt #5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5IOou6qN1o&ab_channel=GtrWorkShp
Muddy Waters plays "Manish Boy", published by GtrWorkshop, 
Nov 16, 2007

1. Michael Morgan, 2016
"MAIN"

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Reply
2. Kiwanis Hinton, 2016
"LOL but TRU"

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Reply
3. Mike C, 2018
"It's southern dialogue! Check out lil boosie and few other southern rap artists."

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Reply
4. Tea Jay
"A full grown MAIN.....🤣"

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Bo Diddley's 1955 Rock n Roll Song -" I'm A Man" (From "Legends of Rock 'n' Roll") with YouTube comments



Eagle Rock, Aug 29, 2008

Bo Diddley - I'm A Man (From "Legends of Rock 'n' Roll") **** Edited by Azizi Powell
Latest revision - April 23, 2024 This pancocojams post presents information about Bo Diddley's 1955 mega hit song "I'm A Man" and showcases a clip of the 1989 film of the "Legends Of Rock 'n' Roll" concert that features Bo Diddley performing his 1955 hit song "I'm A Man".
This post also documents selected comments from two discussion threads of YouTube sound files of Bo Diddley singing "I'm A Man". The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes. All copyrights remain with their owners. Thanks to Bo Diddley for his musical legacy. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publishers of this showcases video and this featured sound file on YouTube. -snip- Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/07/bo-diddleys-im-man-information-examples.html for a 2015 pancocojams post entitled Bo Diddley's "I'm A Man" (information, examples, lyrics, & comments). That post includes information about Bo Diddley and his I'm A Man song and lyrics for that song. That 2015 pancocojams post also features two sound files other of Bo Diddley performing this song other than the one that is included in this post. Selected comments from various YouTube discussion threads other than the one featured in this 2020 post are also included in that post.

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INFORMATION ABOUT BO DIDDLEY
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaC5ZKRjLUM&ab_channel=John1948TwoA2 "Bo Diddley - I Am A Man"; published by John1948TwoA2, Jan 28, 2011
"He only had a few hits in the 1950s and early '60s, but as Bo Diddley sang, "You Can't Judge a Book by Its Cover." You can't judge an artist by his chart success, either, and Diddley produced greater and more influential music than all but a handful of the best early rockers. The Bo Diddley beat -- bomp, ba-bomp-bomp, bomp-bomp -- is one of rock & roll's bedrock rhythms, showing up in the work of Buddy Holly, the Rolling Stones, and even pop-garage knock-offs like the Strangeloves' 1965 hit "I Want Candy." Diddley's hypnotic rhythmic attack and declamatory, boasting vocals stretched back as far as Africa for their roots, and looked as far into the future as rap. His trademark otherworldly vibrating, fuzzy guitar style did much to expand the instrument's power and range. But even more important, Bo's bounce was fun and irresistibly rocking, with a wisecracking, jiving tone that epitomized rock & roll at its most humorously outlandish and freewheeling.

Before taking up blues and R&B, Diddley had actually studied classical violin, but shifted gears after hearing John Lee Hooker. In the early '50s, he began playing with his longtime partner, maraca player Jerome Green, to get what Bo's called "that freight train sound." Billy Boy Arnold, a fine blues harmonica player and singer in his own right, was also playing with Diddley when the guitarist got a deal with Chess in the mid-'50s (after being turned down by rival Chicago label Vee-Jay). His very first single, "Bo Diddley"/"I'm a Man" (1955), was a double-sided monster. The A-side was soaked with futuristic waves of tremolo guitar, set to an ageless nursery rhyme; the flip was a bump-and-grind, harmonica-driven shuffle, based around a devastating blues riff. But the result was not exactly blues, or even straight R&B, but a new kind of guitar-based rock & roll, soaked in the blues and R&B, but owing allegiance to neither. "...

SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD

These comments are given in relative chronological order except for replies. Numbers were added for referencing purposes only.  

Excerpt #1
From the discussion thread for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaC5ZKRjLUM&ab_channel=John1948TwoA2 "Bo Diddley - I Am A Man"; published by John1948TwoA2, Jan 28, 2011

1. mangledinalm 2011
"1928-2008 Birth name: Ellas Otha Bates 5' 7" Bet your didn't know Bo took violin lessons from Professor O.W. Frederick at the Ebenezer Missionary Baptist Church in Chicago. He studied the violin for 12 years, composing two concertos for the instrument.

This is the man who put the rock in rock and roll. Sometimes called the Black Gladiator.

Mmmmmm, what a man! A frustrated drummer, Bo said: "I play the guitar as if I'm playing the drums." Am so glad he did, too."

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2. theonlywalrus, 2012
"Bo Diddley Beat is just a clave."
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Here's some information about clave [a Spanish word pronounced CLAH-vay] from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clave_(rhythm)
"The clave ... is a rhythmic pattern used as a tool for temporal organization in Afro-Cuban music. In Spanish, clave literally means key, clef, code, or keystone. It is present in a variety of genres such as Abakuá music, rumba, conga, son, mambo, salsa, songo, timba and Afro-Cuban jazz. The five-stroke clave pattern represents the structural core of many Afro-Cuban rhythms.[2]

The clave pattern originated in sub-Saharan African music traditions, where it serves essentially the same function as it does in Cuba. In ethnomusicology, clave is also known as a key pattern,[3][4] guide pattern,[5] phrasing referent,[6] timeline,[7] or asymmetrical timeline.[8] The clave pattern is also found in the African diaspora music of Haitian Vodou drumming, Afro-Brazilian music, African-American music, Louisiana Voodoo drumming, and Afro-Uruguayan music (candombe). The clave pattern (or hambone, as it is known in the United States) is used in North American popular music as a rhythmic motif or simply a form of rhythmic decoration.

The historical roots of the clave are linked to transnational musical exchanges within the African diaspora. For instance, influences of the African “bomba” rhythm are reflected in the clave. In addition to this, the emphasis and role of the drum within the rhythmic patterns speaks further to these diasporic roots.[9]

The clave is the foundation of reggae, reggaeton, and dancehall. In this sense, it is the “heartbeat” that underlies the essence of these genres."...

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3. 
karl brandt, 2016
"why when listening to this song i think of bad to the bone"

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4. Issac Lloyd, 2017
"karl brandt because Bo diddley was George thorogoods hero and main influence. "
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"Bad To The Bone" is a 1982 Blues / Hard Rock song that was recorded by George Thorogood & The Destroyers.

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Excerpt #2 
From
the discussion thread for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYti8CIiOak&ab_channel=Choock5219 "Bo Diddley - I'm A Man - 1955", published by Choock5219  on Jul 10, 2014

1. 
Elisa Martin, 2014
"I'm Goin' back down, to Kansas To Bring Back The Second Cousin,
Little John The Conqueroo"  

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2. Choock5219, 2014
"
Here's the story: The root known as High John the Conqueror or John the Conqueror root is said to be the root of Ipomoea jalapa, also known as Ipomoea purga, an Ipomoea species related to the morning glory and the sweet potato. The plant is known in some areas as bindweed or jalap root. It has a pleasant, earthy odour, but it is a strong laxative if taken internally. It is not used for this purpose in folk magic; it is instead used as one of the parts of a mojo bag. It is typically used in sexual spells of various sorts and it is also considered lucky for gambling. It is likely that the root acquired its sexual magical reputation because, when dried, it resembles the testicles of a dark-skinned man. Because of this, when it is employed as an amulet, it is important that the root used be whole and unblemished. Dried pieces and chips of the root are used in formulating oils and washes that are used in other sorts of spells."

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3. Jimmy J, 2015
"Bo Diddley is the REAL American Bad Ass... many of Rock's greatest musicians and singers owe him a lot of their success... only George Thorogood has truly acknowledged Bo's greatness. "Bad to the Bone" is his salute to Bo Diddley's I'm a Man..."

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4. kt1pl2, 2018
"
I was just thinking that "Bad to the Bone" sounds just like it."

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5. Mike Stidham, 2020
"which serves to explain Bo's appearance in the "Bad to the Bone" music video..."

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6. thielees, 2018
"This song is definitive proof of just how creative an artist George Thoroughgood really was."

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7. LasVegasGames, 2019
"Yep. "Bad to the bone" is a direct copy"

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8. Winston Churchill, 2020
"thielees Even if that’s true, this is by no means proof of it. First of all, I do believe that Hoochie Coochie Man by Muddy Waters came out before this, which if you listen to it is very similar. Muddy Waters also released Mannish Boy, which sounds even more similar to this song. Does that mean Muddy was a bad musician? I don’t think so, he’s my favorite blues musician!"

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9. Wessel van Santen, 2020
"@Winston Churchill if you go the wikipedia page, you'll find the relevant info. Im a man was a response  to hoochie coochie man, and Mannish boy was a response to im a man. Just a bunch a blues and rock n roll artists poking fun at each other, so I agree with you"

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10. Bob Courboin, 2019
"This ( and the flip side named A Side) were both added to the Library of Congress's National Recording Registry list of "culturally, historically, or aesthetically important" American sound recordings In 2018,"
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The flip side of that record is Bo Diddley's song entitled "Bo Diddley".

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