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Showing posts with label American history and culture. Show all posts

Sunday, April 19, 2026

White Default, Color Blindness, & African American Influences On Play Party Songs

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest revision - July 19, 2026

This pancocojams post presents information about American play party songs, with a focus on White default, color blindness, and African American cultural contributions to play party songs and their performance activities.

This post also includes my opinions about White default and color blindness in reference to play party songs and other American (United States) folk songs.

The history of  and lyrics for "Great Big House In New Orleans" is presented in this post as an example of a play party song. This post also presents a description of the performance of that play party song. 

The content of this post is presented for historical, folkloric, socio-cultural, and recreational and purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to  to all those who are quoted in this post, and thanks to all of the collectors of play party songs.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/04/great-big-house-in-new-orleans-play.html for the pancocojams post entitled "Great Big House In New Orleans". That post showcases seven YouTube videos of the play party song "Great Big House In New Orleans" (also known as "Great Big House"). 

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DISCLAIMER
Publishing these online write-ups and these excerpts does not mean that I agree with everything that is written in those excerpts and doesn't mean that I believe that these write-ups and excerpts provide a complete summary of these subjects..

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GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT (UNITED STATES) PLAY PARTY SONGS
SOURCE #1
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_party_(United_States)
"A play party is a social event in which toddlers gather to sing and dance. Play parties began in the 1830s in the United States as a route around strict religious practices banning dancing and the playing of musical instruments. The areas most influenced by the practice were the Southern and Midwestern parts of the United States. Folk songs, many of European and English origin, were used as means to give the attendants choreographed movements for each phrase. No instruments were played at the events, as they were banned by the religious movements of the area. Singing and clapping were used to convey each song. Because dancing was banned, the movements took on the quality of children's games. Though the performance of play parties dwindled in the 1950s, music educators use them as ways to incorporate music and dance in their classrooms.[1]

Some traditional examples of play-parties are: Skip to My Lou, Buffalo Gals, Bingo, Pop Goes the Weasel, Old Dan Tucker, Coffee Grows on White Oak Trees, and Shoot the Buffalo."

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SOURCE #2
From https://balladofamerica.org/play-party-appreciation/ "The American Play Party: An Appreciation" by Cecilia Riddell, PhD

..."Origins of the Play Party

The origin of the term "play party" is interestingSome rural religious communities didn't approve of dancing or music of the fiddle, which they considered the "Instrument of the Devil." …. The Church code of conduct read that unruly song and dance was a social evil. Specifically mentioned was the forbidden swinging of arms and legs. … rural Americans agreed on an acceptable cover-up for dancing. It was a new term: play party. These two words together suggested healthy recreation to the authorities who might otherwise have objected. After all, there would be no fiddling since everyone sang the music. Approved conduct rules fell into place, such as no alcohol, no carousing, and no swinging by the waist.

The play party traveled with pioneer families across the United States in the 1850s and onward. Settlers and immigrants sang about cities and states. such as "Goin' to Boston," "Alabama Gal," and "Great Big House in New Orleans." I note, however, that they were only singing about these urban places, not wanting to move to them.

In the "old days," play parties needed some non-musical organization. There was a need to accommodate parents with babies or small children. Volunteer hosts provided extra rooms for the youngest while parents danced. Hosts (girls or women) secured a place such as a living room, parlor, or barn. They found room to tie up horses or to park buggies and wagons for those who didn't walk to the events. If the weather was fine, dances might take place in someone's field or front or back yard, perhaps under moonlight.

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Play Party Songs

"Songs were catchy and provided an easy verse form to which new lines could be made up," notes Ives in The Wayfaring Stranger. One of those catchy songs was "Skip to my Lou," a favorite of Lincoln's. Others were well-known folk and popular songs of the time, such as "Yankee Doodle," "Pop Goes the Weasel," "Oh! Susanna," and "I've Been Working on the Railroad."...

I enjoy the melodies and lyrics of American personalities, such as "Old Joe Clark," "Sally Down the Alley," and "Captain Jinks." 

[...]

Play Parties and Other Dance Forms

In many books and on recordings, the play party is listed as, or implied to be, a "singing game." Janet E. Tobitt described it as a "singing game for recreation." She writes that her examples are American play parties but refers to them as "singing games for recreation." Elsewhere in her publications, she uses the term "song dances." Notably, she was born and educated in the U.K., where the term play party is not generally recognized.

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Reviving the Play Party

Music educators have become known for promoting play parties in journals and at national and local conferences and meetings, particularly by the American Orff Schulwerk Association. Martha Riley, a prominent music educator, wrote in the Orff Echo:

Accompanied only with singing, play parties use simple footwork with the emphasis on social and 'game' aspects. Children experience movements and concepts found in traditional folk dances . . . While you may think play parties are more difficult than dancing to recorded music because the children must do two things at once: sing and move. But the words of the song often include dance instructions, so that singing makes the game easier to play. Furthermore, when children are singing, the beat is internal… Children are more aware of the beat, phrase, and form when making music themselves."...
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The portion given in italics was written that way online.

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AFRICAN AMERICAN INFLUENCE ON PLAY PARTY SONGS  

SOURCE #1
AI Overview [result of my April 18, 2026 query]
"African American influence on play party songs—a genre of folk dance/games popular in the 19th/20th centuries—brought intense rhythmic energy, syncopation, and call-and-response structures derived from work songs and spirituals. These songs bridged traditional African melodies with American culture, introducing dynamic, game-focused rhythms into community dancing.

Key elements of African American influence include:

Rhythmic Syncopation: Moving away from rigid European rhythms, African American play parties introduced "swing," "swung," and "rocked" rhythms that characterized community social dances.

Call and Response: Play parties often utilized this traditional musical form, crucial for interactive, group participation.

Incorporation of Game Songs: Specific game songs with roots in African American communities, such as "Mary Mack," "May Go 'Round the Needle," and "Plantation Dance," were key to these social gatherings.

Cultural Adaptation: The melodies and rhythms were directly influenced by plantation traditions and the music of African descendants in America, adapting African traditions to new contexts.

These, alongside religious music, blues, and later funk, formed the foundational rhythmic elements of many American celebratory practices and popular dances. "

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SOURCE #2
AI Overview [This write-up is the result of my query on April 19, 2026]
"Identifying Black American elements in American folk songs involves recognizing specific musical, rhythmic, and lyrical traditions that originated from African musical practices and the African American experience, particularly during slavery. Key elements include the call-and-response structure, heavy use of syncopation, the pentatonic scale, blue notes, and lyrical themes focused on work, sorrow, liberation, and resilience.

Here are the primary Black American elements found in American folk music:

1. Rhythmic & Melodic Characteristics

Call-and-Response: A leader sings or plays a phrase, and a group or instrument responds, mirroring West African communal music.

Syncopation & Polyrhythms: Layering different rhythms on top of each other, emphasizing the "off-beat." This is the foundational rhythm behind ragtime and early jazz.

Blue Notes and Melisma: "Bent" notes, usually the 3rd or 7th degree of the scale, that fall between major and minor. Melisma involves singing multiple notes on one syllable.

Pentatonic Scale: Frequent use of a five-tone scale, reflecting both West African and European influences.

"Shout" Style: Spirited, rhythmic, and often improvised singing style associated with spirituals.

2. Performance Practices

Improvisation: Individual creativity is prioritized within the structure of a song.

Roughness/Noise: A preference for a "dirty" or "stank" sound—varying vocal timbre, raspy vocals, or vocalized "groans" and "hollering" to heighten emotional impact.

Body Percussion: Accompanying music with handclapping, foot-stomping, and dancing (e.g., the Ring Shout).

3. Lyrical and Structural Themes

Spirituals and Freedom Songs: Songs filled with double meanings, using biblical imagery (like Moses or Jordan) to discuss escaping slavery or political, social, and religious liberation.

Work Songs/Sea Chanteys: Rhythmic, repetitive songs designed to coordinate manual labor, designed to lift spirits and keep a steady pace while working on plantations or docks.

Blues/Ballads: Often focus onpersonal hardship, sorrow, love, or the stories of "trickster" figures who outsmarted authority.

4. Instrumental Influences

The Banjo: An instrument with direct roots to the West African akonting, brought over during the Middle Passage and initially played entirely within Black communities before being adopted into white Appalachian music.

The "Bones": Percussive, rattling sounds created by holding animal bones between the fingers.

Examples of Songs:

"Follow the Drinking Gourd": A spiritual containing coded instructions for escaping slaves.

"John Henry": A ballad celebrating a strong black work song leader.

"Deep River": A traditional spiritual showing the expressive, soulful melodic structure.

"Shortnin' Bread": Features the rhythmic patting/syncopation techniques.

Note: Many American folk songs are a result of "creolization," or the blending of African and European musical traditions, particularly in the South, making the African influence fundamental to American vernacular music.
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These fonts are the way that this write-up is given online.
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I'd add that the text (words) and the textual structure also may suggests that a particular play party song or other folk song originated with African Americans.

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SOURCE #3
From https://timeline.carnegiehall.org/genres/game-songs-play-songs
"African American children worked beside their mothers in the field and other settings, where they were exposed to the singing of adults. Leisure time mutually engaged children and adults in various play/game activities of both African and European origin and was broadly categorized as: baby games and plays, handclapping plays, jumps and skips, singing plays, ring plays, dances, house plays and home amusements, and outdoor games. Games/plays frequently were played in a ring or line formation. Despite a segregated society, the traditions of both cultures passed back and forth and were modified. In keeping with African practices, performers added individual signatures to these traditions through minor changes in melodies, rhythms, words, and/or movements. They also created songs to accompany new games and forms of play that became part of the broader repertoire. 

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Musical Features/Performance Style

The African American tradition is distinguished from its European-derived counterpart by its distinctive imagery and complex dance steps, accompanied by rhythmic (often syncopated) handclapping, and foot-stomping. The singing employs call-and-response structure and repetitive choruses also associated with African musical practices.

Lyrics

Game and social or play songs derived text from various sources: the game itself; folktales; children’s fantasies and experiences; popular songs of the time; and television commercials, along with their interpretation of local events and the world around them (often using their colloquialisms)."...
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MY NOTES ABOUT WHITE DEFAULT, COLOR BLINDNESS, AND PLAY PARTY SONGS 
People who teach play party songs or other folk songs may think that they are being "color-blind" by not mentioning race. However, by not mentioning race they are actually reinforcing the viewpoint that only White people are responsible for composing those songs. This is because both online and offline "White" is the default race (just as "male" is the default gender). When no race is mentioned for an individual (unless the discussion is about some criminal act or something that is stereotypically considered to be the purview of a particular race/ethnicity), people automatically assume that that person is White (just as people automatically assume that people posting online are male).

Regardless of their race or ethnicity, children shouldn't be led to believe that White people were the only composers of play party songs or other folk songs.

White default means to automatically assume that the creators everything good were White people, and particularly White men.

This automatic assumption hits home for me because I'm a seventy-eight year old Black woman who remembers going to an elementary school (in Atlantic City, New Jersey) in the 1950s when all the teachers were White except for two Black teachers. And I remember one of those White teachers saying "Black people didn't have any culture".

That statement may have been what eventually led me decades later to start and work on this pancocojams blog which focuses on sharing information about and celebrating examples of Black cultures in the United States and elsewhere around the world.

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AI OVERVIEW WRITE-UPS ABOUT WHITE DEFAULT  
AI Overview  [This write-up is a result of my April 19, 2026 query about the meaning of "White default"]

"White Default: Examining Racialized Biases Behind AI ..."White default" refers to the societal, cultural, or media-driven assumption that whiteness is the standard, normal, or neutral state. It means that white characters, experiences, or behaviors are assumed unless specified otherwise, often centering Western perspectives and perpetuating racialized biases in literature, media, and AI.

Key Aspects of "White Default"

Media and Fiction Representation: In Western fiction, characters are often assumed to be white unless their race is explicitly stated, largely due to historical trends and author demographics.

AI and Societal Bias: Generative AI tools often reproduce this bias, creating images that reflect a white default, which can reinforce stereotypes.

Perception and Normalization: This concept suggests that whiteness is treated as a "litmus test" for normal, with other races often defined by their difference from this norm.

The Power Dynamics: Critics analyze this phenomenon to understand how power structures and cultural biases are upheld, often highlighting how it marginalizes other experiences.

Countermeasures: Many are actively working to break this pattern by ensuring diverse representation in literature and avoiding the assumption that unspecified characters are white.

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WIKIPEDIA EXCERPT ABOUT RACIAL COLOR BLINDNESS
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_color_blindness
"Racial color blindness refers to the belief that a person's race or ethnicity should not influence their legal or social treatment in society.

The multicultural psychology field generates four beliefs that constitute the racial color-blindness approach. The four beliefs are as follows: (1) skin color is superficial and irrelevant to the quality of a person's character, ability or worthiness, (2) in a merit-based society, skin color is irrelevant to merit judgments and calculation of fairness, (3) as a corollary, in a merit-based society, merit and fairness are flawed if skin color is taken into the calculation, (4) ignoring skin color when interacting with people is the best way to avoid racial discrimination.[1]

 The term metaphorically references the medical phenomenon of color blindness. Psychologists and sociologists also study racial color blindness. This is further divided into two dimensions, color evasion and power evasion. Color evasion is the belief that people should not be treated differently on the basis of their color. Power evasion posits that systemic advantage based on color should have no influence on what people can accomplish, and accomplishments are instead based solely on one's own work performance.[2]

 At various times in Western history, this term has been used to signal a desired or allegedly achieved state of freedom from racial prejudice or a desire that policies and laws should not consider race. Proponents of racial color blindness often assert that policies that differentiate by racial classification could tend to create, perpetuate or exacerbate racial divisiveness. Critics often believe it fails to address systemic discrimination.[3][4][5]"...

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EXAMPLE OF A (UNITED STATES) PLAY PARTY SONG- "GREAT BIG HOUSE IN NEW ORLEANS" PLAY PARTY SONGS AND WHITE  DEFAULT, COLOR BLINDNESS, AND THE PLAY PARTY SONG 

Most online examples of the play party song "Great Big House In New Orleans", the lyrics refer to "every room that I been in/filled with pumpkin pie."

The replacement of the words "chicken pie" with pumpkin pie" may seem an innocuous way of substituting something familiar for something that is unfamiliar. But terms that are familiar in one population may be unfamiliar in another population.

That substitution effectively "White-wash" that play party/folk song because-generally speaking- pumpkin pie is much more familiar to White people than Black Americans and the opposite is true for Black Americans.

"Pumpkin pie" is largely a dessert that White Americans and may be unfamiliar to Black Americans who are much more familiar with the similar looking, but different tasting "sweet potato pie".  The opposite is true for White Americans.

Click https://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/2022/1122/What-s-in-a-pie-History-culture-and-a-taste-of-home for the article "What’s in a pie? History, culture, and a taste of home" by Kendra Nordin Beato, November 22, 2022

"If you grew up in the northern United States, it’s likely you associate pumpkin pie with Thanksgiving. But travel south of the Mason-Dixon Line, and another orange-colored pie reigns supreme on the holiday table – sweet potato pie.

Historically, pumpkins don’t grow well in the Southern heat. But that’s not the only reason for the absence of pumpkin pie. Thanksgiving was originally perceived as a holiday forced on the South by the victorious North after the Civil War. The arrival of pumpkins was just another pie in the face.

There’s more to the story. Sweet potatoes are also central to Black Southern cuisine; they’re tied up in the history of the slave trade, the yam, and plantation cooks.

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Maia Harrell, who grew up in Georgia, is a self-described pie nerd. She started working in a pie shop in high school, studied the history of Black women and pie-making in graduate school, and then launched her own business, Lord of the Pies.

Today, she makes more than 100 pies a week and sells them at farmers markets around Atlanta. Ms. Harrell, whose family traditions lean more toward cake, didn’t even have her first piece of pumpkin pie until she worked in the pie shop. She found it bland.

“I was raised with ... ‘Black folk don’t eat pumpkin pie’ kind of thing,” she says. “If it’s an orange pie, it’s always sweet potato.”

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Even more surprising, she says, are her white customers who have never seen a sweet potato pie before. “I got a lot of questions like ... ‘Is it sweet?’ ‘Is it savory?’ I’ve never had to explain to somebody what a sweet potato pie is!” Without fail, she adds, they grew up in the North."... 

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The replacement of the words "chicken pie" with "pumpkin pie" also erases important elements of pre-emancipation American history and culture, particularly with regards to the history of the scarcity of food for enslaved African Americans. African American originated songs about "chicken pie" reveal how that population coped with food scarcity by baking chicken pies that would last for several meals. The lyrics to some of those songs that referred to "chicken pie" revealed their desire for food and a life when they wouldn't have to worry about being hungry.

Read this excerpt from https://matadornetwork.com/read/classic-southern-pies. Why pie flourishes in the South [no author or publishing date given]
"So many of the most iconic pies in the country have Southern roots: sweet potato in North Carolina and Alabama, pecan in Oklahoma and Texas, key lime in Florida, and coconut cream in South Carolina. Other styles have barely caught on in the rest of the country and remain Southern secrets deeply rooted in the region’s culinary culture…

A history of Southern pie would not be complete without mentioning its ties to slavery. This is especially true for enslaved women, who were responsible for all of the cooking in the homes of wealthy white families. Slaves might also be responsible for popularizing another favorite Southern pie: sweet potato pie. Antebellum cookbooks are packed with recipes for this Southern favorite, but slaves likely cooked most of these pies in plantation houses. Sweet potato pie rarely appeared in their own homes until stoves became more affordable, according to food writer and historian Adrian Miller.

After the Civil War, many recipes were adapted during times of food scarcity. NPR reports that one 1863 recipe details how to make an apple pie without apples. In a story for The Washington Post, writer and pastry chef Lisa Donovan explains that a freed slave who made a living selling pies in 19th century Alabama might be responsible for one of the first ever chess pies. In 1881, a former slave named Abby Fisher published her remarkable cookbook, What Mrs. Fisher Knows About Southern Cooking, which features recipes for custard pie (similar to chess pie), as well as sweet potato pie. Chess pie is another pie that grew out of need — it replaces citrus with vinegar and fresh milk with buttermilk.

Burdett of Crook’s Corner thinks that creating meals, not just pie, with easily obtainable and inexpensive ingredients is an essential piece of Southern cuisine.

“With most food when you’re in the South, when you’re broke you just kind of pull ingredients, and that’s where new things develop and that’s how Southern cuisine stays alive,” Burdett says. “My grandmother just made what she had available, and those dishes morphed into something amazing. That’s just ‘what’s in the kitchen’ kind of cooking. Being broke and not having any money and trying to cook for a family.”...

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Thursday, November 13, 2025

Timeline For "___ Went To Town" Or "I Went Downtown To See ___" Verses In American Folk Songs & Children's Recreational Rhymes

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post provides a timeline and some examples of American (United States) folk songs and children's recreational rhymes with a "__ Went To Town" or an "I Went Downtown To See ___") verse. 

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, historical, cultural, entertainment, and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composers of these songs and rhymes. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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LINKS TO THREE CLOSELY RELATED PANCOCOJAMS POSTS 

Old Dan Tucker - Minstrel Song & Play Party Song


 
https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/12/old-dan-tucker-minstrel-song-play-party.html


December 16, 2013

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Multiple Examples Of The Children's Rhyme "I Went Downtown" ("To See Charlie Brown" or "To See James Brown")

https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/01/multiple-examples-of-childrens-rhyme-i.html?sc=1763026021466

 January 4, 2017

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Some Examples Of "Ride The Horsey" Babies' & Young Children's Knee Bouncing Rhymes That Are Derived From A Verse In The 19th Century Song "Old Dan Tucker"

https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2025/11/some-examples-of-ride-horsey-knee.html
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Note: This post focuses on some examples of knee bouncing rhymes that are derived from a verse of the "Old Dan Tucker" folk song.

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TIMELINE, INFORMATION, AND EXAMPLES

around 1755- Yankee Doodle (also known as "Yankee Doodle Went To Town")
information from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee_Doodle

"Yankee Doodle" is a traditional song and nursery rhyme, the early versions of which predate the Seven Years' War and American Revolutionary War.[1] It is often sung patriotically in the United States today. It is the state song of the U.S. state of Connecticut.[2] Its Roud Folk Song Index number is 4501...

In British conversation, the term "Yankee doodle dandy" implied unsophisticated misappropriation of upper-class fashion, as though simply sticking a feather in one's cap would transform the wearer into a noble.

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The song was a pre-Revolutionary War song originally sung by British military officers to mock the disheveled, disorganized colonial "Yankees" with whom they served in the French and Indian War. It was written at Fort Crailo around 1755 by British Army surgeon Richard Shuckburgh while campaigning in Rensselaer, New York.[15] The British troops sang it to mock American soldiers as simpletons who thought that they were stylish simply by sticking a feather in their hats.[1] It was also embraced by American troops, who added verses to it that mocked the British and hailed George Washington. By 1781, "Yankee Doodle" had become a song of national pride among Americans.[1][16][17]"...

An example of "went to town" verse in this song:
"Yankee Doodle went to town
A' ridin on a pony
He stuck a feather in his cap
And called it macaroni"

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1843- "Old Dan Tucker"
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Dan_Tucker
"Old Dan Tucker", also known as "Ole Dan Tucker", "Dan Tucker", and other variants, is a popular American song. Its origins remain obscure; the tune may have come from oral tradition, and the words may have been written by songwriter and performer Dan Emmett. The blackface troupe the Virginia Minstrels popularized "Old Dan Tucker" in 1843, and it quickly became a minstrel hit, behind only "Miss Lucy Long" and "Mary Blane" in popularity during the antebellum period...

The first sheet music edition of "Old Dan Tucker", published in 1843, is a song of boasts and nonsense in the vein of previous minstrel hits such as "Jump Jim Crow" and "Gumbo Chaff". In exaggerated Black Vernacular English, the lyrics tell of Dan Tucker's exploits in a strange town, where he fights, gets drunk, overeats, and breaks other social taboos. Minstrel troupes freely added and removed verses, and folk singers have since added hundreds more. Parodies and political versions are also known"... 
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Early versions of "Old Dan Tucker" include verses with what is now commonly referred to as "the n word".  

Examples of "went to town" verses in the "Old Dan Tucker" song:

Old Dan Tucker down in town,
A-ridin' a goat and leadin' a hound,
The hound gives a howl an' the goat gives a jump,
An' throwed Old Dan a-straddle of a stump.

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Old Dan Tucker down in town,
Swingin' the ladies all a-round,
First to the right and then to the left,
An' then to the one that you love best.


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-early 20th century to date-"Riding A Horsey To Town" (and similar titles of babies & young children) knee bouncing rhymes

Here's a description of the performance activity for these rhymes from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kniereitvers:
Kniereitvers (German for "a verse for riding on knees") is a nusery rhyme that is recited while two people play. Usually an older person plays with a younger one (mostly a child), with the child sitting on the older person's knee.

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Accompanying actions

While playing and singing[6] the verses, the child sits on a parent's knees or lap facing the parent. The parent moves the knees up and down, imitating riding a horse. The parent holds on to the child's hands imitating holding reins. When it comes to the part where the parent says "the rider will go plop" the parent opens the legs or knees so that the child slips down towards the floor while holding hands the entire time. The parent will then pull the child back onto the lap.

This little acting game is a lot of fun for the child,[2] anticipating the 'fall' from the 'horse' and being saved by the parent, staying safe and sound.[7]...
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Examples:
From 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/AppalachianAmericans/posts/10160042147493648/ Ride Horsey Knee Bouncing Examples from Appalachian Americans Facebook page
[These examples are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.]
1. Jackie Meadows, 2022
"The version I remember is

"Dr. Jones going downtown
Riding a billy goat, leading a hound.
The hound gave a bark, the goat gave a jump
And spilled Dr. Jones right straddle of a stump."

The adult would ride the child on their foot and "spill" them when the goat gave a jump. Every child in the family has loved this."

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2. Julia Nichols, 2022
"I remember crossing your legs at knees and a small child would sit on top of foot and you would ride them up and down sing Trot little Horsey go to town watch out Horsey don’t fall down. I heard the song as this. Ida Red,Ida Blue she can put a saddle on a hump back mule,Ida Red going to town riding a Goat and leading a Hound the Hound barked and the Billy Goat jumped throwed Ida Red a straddle of a stump."

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3. Kathy Carroll, 2022
"Old aunt Sally going downtown. Riding a billy goat leading a hound. Hound barked, billy goat jumped, throwed aunt Sally straddled a stump. (People in NC usually just put the name of the child on their knee in the song tho)"

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Click __ for upcoming pancocojams post on this subject 

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-early to mid 20th century?- "Buster Brown Went To Town" And "I Went To Town To See Mrs. Brown (or "i Went Downtown Miss Brown" and similar titles)

Information about  the name "Buster Brown"
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buster_Brown

Buster Brown is a comic strip character created in 1902 by Richard F. Outcault that was adopted as the mascot of the Brown Shoe Company in 1904. The characters of Buster Brown, Mary Jane, and his dog Tige became well known to the American public in the early 20th century. The Buster Brown suit reflected his outfit and became very popular for young boys.[1][2][3]

 Origin

The character of Buster Brown may have been loosely based on Granville Hamilton Fisher, a son of Charles and Anna Fisher of Flushing, New York. Outcault copied Fisher's physical appearance for his comic strip. The name "Buster" came from the popularity of Buster Keaton, then a child actor in vaudeville.[4] Roger Cushman Clark (1899–1995) of Deadwood, South Dakota was also described as the "original model" for the Buster Brown character.[5][6]"...

Examples: 
From 
http://www.seedharvestmusicacademy.org/baby--me.htm
1." 
Buster Brown went to town,
Riding a billy goat leading a hound.
Hound barked,
Billy Goat jumped,
And threw Buster Brown right over the stump!"

2. From https://scoop.previewsworld.com/Home/4/1/73/1016?articleID=176751 "Playtime with Buster Brown"
"Buster Brown
Went to town
With his pants
On upside down
He lost a nickel
He bought a pickle
The pickle was sour
He picked a flower
The flower was yellow
He bought him a fellow
The fellow was mean
He bought a bean
The bean was hard
He bought a card
And on the card
It said, "Red hot pepper!"

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3. darwineann , 2007, https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080323122038AA6gzqe [This link is no longer active.]
"I went down town, to see Miss Brown. She gave me a nickel, to buy a pickle. The pickle was sour so she gave me a flower. The flower was black so she gave me a smack. The smack was hard so she gave me a card. And on the card it said: Little Spanish dancer turn around(turn around) . Little Spanish dancer touch the ground( and then you touch the ground) . Little Spanish dancer tie your shoe (jump on one leg, pretend to tie shoe). Little Spanish dancer sixty four ski doo" .

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4.
Ellen Mason, AACS Music Teacher, https://elitejumps.co/blogs/guides/jump-rope-rhymes-songs?page=2

I went downtown
To see Ms. Brown,
She gave me a nickel
To buy a pickle,
The pickle was sour,
So I bought a flower.
The flower was dead, she gave me a tack.
The tack was sharp, she gave me a harp.
The harp was broke, she gave me a cloak.
The cloak was tight, she gave me a kite.
The kite away flew, and I did too.
(Player runs out at too)

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-late 20th century? to this date- "I Went Downtown To See Charlie Brown" (or "I Went Downtown To See James Brown") 

information about the name "Charlie Brown" from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Brown
"Charles "Charlie" Brown is the principal character of the American comic strip Peanuts, syndicated in daily and Sunday newspapers in numerous countries all over the world.

[...]

The character's name was first used on May 30, 1948, in an early Schulz comic strip titled Li'l Folks. The character made his official debut in the first Peanuts comic strip on October 2, 1950."...

Information about James Brown from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Brown
"James Joseph Brown (May 3, 1933 – December 25, 2006) was an American singer, songwriter, dancer, musician, and record producer. The central progenitor of funk music and a major figure of 20th-century music,

[...]

Brown was one of the first ten inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on January 23, 1986. His music has been heavily sampled by hip-hop musicians and other artists.[3]"...

These examples are performed as partner handclap rhymes.

Numbers are given for referencing purposes only.
1. From 
https://ezebreezy.com/silly-school-yard-songs1/
"I went downtown
To see Charlie Brown,
He gave me a nickel
To buy a pickle,
The pickle was sour,
So I bought a flower.
The flower was dead, so this is what I said.
Down Down baby, do the roller coaster.
Sweet sweet baby. Never wash the dishes.
Naughty naughty baby, jumping out the window.
Itchy itchy soda pop, you are out.
Itchy itchy soda pop, you are out."

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2. From 
Sarah, Octoblog, Schoolyard games; 7/17/2005 [blog no longer active]
"i Went down town to meet charlie brown
he gave me a nickle that bought me a pickle
the pickle was sour so he bought me a flower
the flower was dead so this is what he said:
down down baby down by the rollercoaster
sweet sweet baby never wana let you go
just because i kissed you doesnt mean i love you
shimmy shimmy coco puffs
shimmy shimmy pow
shimmy shimmy coco puffs
shimmy shimmy pow
My momy your momy live across the street
18,19 Alligator street
Boom Bang Choo Choo Train
wind me up i do my thang
( hit the person beside you)
Oops i'm Sorry!"

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3,  Avengethe 90s, 2014,
https://www.reddit.com/r/nostalgia/comments/2n9rio/miss_mary_mack_and_other_hand_clapping_games/
...."
(gonna rock to the treetops all day long, huffin and a puffin and singin that song. all the little birdies on danbird street love to hear the robins go "tweet tweet tweet", rockin robin, tweet tweet, tweetle-eet, rockin robin, tweet tweet, tweetle-eet, mama's in the kitchen burning that rice, daddy's on the corner shooting them dice, brother's in jail, drinking ginger-ale, sister's on the corner selling fruit cocktail. went downtown to see james brown, he gave me a nickel, i bought me a pickle, the pickle was sour, so i bought me a flower, the flower was dead so this is what he said, black power, black power, your daddy needs a shower, don't laugh (haha) don't laugh (haha) your mama needs a bath!)"

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4. 
AnonymousNovember 13, 2025 
https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/01/multiple-examples-of-childrens-rhyme-i.html
"I’m from New Orleans btw but ours was:

I went downtown to see James Brown, he gave me a nickel to buy me a pickle, the pickle too sweet, I want a piece of meat, the meat too rough, I wanna ride the bus, the bus too full, I wanna ride the bull, the bull too black, I want my money back, the money too green, I want some red beans, the beans too hot, I think I gotta fot (“fot” is how we say “fart”)"

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Monday, April 14, 2025

Examples Of "Clean" Versions Of The Children's Rhyme "We Are The __ Girls/We Wear Our Hair In Curls" (Parodies Of The Song "Ta Ra Ra Boom De Aye")

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest revision- December 3, 2025

This post is a revised edition of a 2017 pancocojams post about the children's rhyme "We Are The __ We Wear Our Hair In Curls". That post is still available at 
https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/07/examples-of-ta-ra-ra-boom-de-ay.htm. 

This 2025 post presents some examples of clean* versions of the children's rhyme "We Are The __ Girls/We Wear Our Hair In Curls". These rhymes are parodies of the vaudeville and music hall song "Ta Ra Ra Boom De Aye" that was first performed in the United States in the 1880s. 

These examples are from 
https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=123101 "We Wear Our Hair In Curls"  Mudcat is an international online folk music website Mudcat Discussion Forum.

I was a member of that forum from the middle of 2004 to November 2014. I started that Mudcat discussion thread about the "We Wear Our Hair In Curls" rhymes on August 23, 2009 and I published most of the "posts" (comments) on that thread. That Mudcat discussion thread is still available for reading but was closed for new comments in 2013.

The content of this pancocojams post is presented for folkloric, historical, socio-cultural, and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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*By "clean versions" of rhymes I mean those that don't include any sexually explicit or sexually suggestive content. Examples that include such content are referred to as "dirty" versions. 

**The last comment in that Mudcat discussion thread was published in 2013 and was closed for new comments by that forum's moderator Joe Offer. The main reason that Mudcat discussion threads are closed for new comments is because those particular threads were receiving a lot of spam or inappropriate comments. Given the fact that there are lots of dirty (sexually explicit) versions of this rhyme, I can guess it's possible that a number of non-members of that Mudcat were publishing dirty versions of that rhyme on that discussion thread which the moderator then had to delete.

WARNING - Some examples of "We  Are The __ Girls/We Wear Our Hair In Curls" that remain on that Mudcat Discussion thread are categorized as "dirty versions" of that rhyme.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/07/examples-of-ta-ra-ra-boom-de-ay.html for the 2017 pancocojams post entitled "
Examples Of Children's Parodies Of Ta Ra Ra Boom De Ay, Part I (Clean Versions)". That post presents some information about the 19th century song "Ta Ra Ra Boom De Aye" along with some examples of children's parodies of that song. That post also includes a link to Part II of that series. Part II includes excerpts of several online articles about the reasons why children chant anti-social and "rude" rhymes/songs. Part II also showcases selected examples of "sexualized" ("dirty") examples of "Ta Ra Ra Boom De Ay" children's rhymes.

Also, click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2025/04/more-examples-of-clean-versions-of-we.html for the pancocojams post entitled "
More Examples Of Clean Versions of "We Are __Girls/We Wear Our Hair In Curls" ".

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE 
Yhis pancocojams blog usually focuses on African American culture and other Black cultures throughout the world, However, 
I also include posts about children's recreational rhymes, cheers, and singing games in this blog because I am also interested in these subjects.   

The children's recreational rhymes and cheers that are presented in this blog may originate from and may be chanted by Black children and may also originate from and be chanted by children from other races/ethnicities, and nationalities.

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SEL
ECTED COMMENTS FROM https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=123101

Numbers are added for referencing purposes only. These comments are given "as is" including spelling and grammatic errors.

1. Subject: We Wear Our Hair In Curls
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 11:00 AM

"We wear our hair in curls" is the second line of a rhyme or song that begins with the line "We are the _____ girls". The name of the city where the people singing the song live is usually inserted into the blank space of that first line. Instead of the city name, the name of the singer's school, camp, or another group that they belong to may be used. I chose the title "We wear our hair in curls" because in this forum the blank space in that first line might make that title confusing.

I believe that "We wear our hair in curls" originated as a children's playground rhyme or song. A version of this rhyme was popularized by drag queens who sung it during the 1969 Stonewall Riots (examples and more information about that significant event will be provided below).

The only example of this rhyme that I have found to date on this forum are in this post http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=38412#973994 which references the 1969 Stonewall Riots*. In addition, several posters to a thread about a 1936 recording of the Blues song Poontang Little, Poontang Small believe that a line in that song is "Put my dress above my knees". That line is similar to a standard line from "We wear our hair in curls"-"We wear our dresses up above our knees". For what it's worth, I don't agree with that transcription of that line from that Blues song. However, I credit it for getting me started on this effort of compiling multiple examples of that children's rhyme.

In this thread, I'll share some examples of & comments about this children's rhyme/song. I hope that other Mudcat members and guests will share the version of this composition that they know and also include demographical information (geographical location, year or decade they first learned or heard the rhyme, gender, age of those reciting the rhyme*, and how the rhyme was performed-meaning any accompanying movements such as handclap routines, or jumping/skipping).

Although many people appear to be reluctant to include racial demographics, I think it would also be interesting and helpful to include such information. In my opinion, information the race/ethnicity of those singing this composition could help determine whether there are any differences between the types of rhymes, the text of rhymes, and the rhyme performance activities of different races/ethnic populations of children-and if so, what some of those differences are. By "ethnicity", I mean the United States' definition of "Latino" (Hispanic). However, other ethnic groups could also be specified.

NOTE: Some of the examples that will be posted to this thread are sexually explicit.

Thanks, in advance for your contributions to this thread
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Pancocojams Editor’s Note April 13, 2025: This pancocojams post doesn't quote any of the comments or portion of quoted comments that include sexually explicit ("dirty") examples of the rhyme "We Are The __ Girls" ("We /Wear Our Hair In Curls").
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*Added December 3, 2025- From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots
"The Stonewall riots (also known as the Stonewall uprising, Stonewall rebellion, Stonewall revolution,[3] or simply Stonewall) were a series of spontaneous riots and demonstrations against a police raid that took place in the early morning of June 28, 1969, at the Stonewall Inn, in the Greenwich Village neighborhood of Lower Manhattan in New York City. Although the demonstrations were not the first time American LGBTQ people fought back against government-sponsored persecution of sexual minorities, the Stonewall riots marked a new beginning for the gay rights movement in the United States and around the world"...

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2) Subject: RE: We Wear Our Hair In Curls
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 11:53 AM  

We Are The Catty Girls

We are the catty girls

We wear our hair in curls.

We wear our dresses

up above our knees.

We are too old for toys

But we're just right for boys."... 

-Barbara Ray, (African American) from her memories of her childhood in the Buff area of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, mid 1950s; collected by Azizi Powell, 1996
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This comment includes another rhyme "Hey baby. How 'bout a date" which Barbara shared was often chanted right after that first rhyme.


Barbara who was a work colleague and is still friend of mine) said that girls around ages 8-10 years old would sing this song just for fun....Barbara said that there wasn't any movements to the first rhyme, except saying the words like you were acting out the part....Variants of the lines "We are too old for toys/But we're just right for boys" are found in some Michael Jackson versions of "Down By The Banks Of The Hanky Panky"...
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This comment and some other selected comments from that discussion thread don't include portions that refer to other rhymes or material that doesn't directly relate to the "
We Are The __ Girls" ("We /Wear Our Hair In Curls").rhyme.

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3) Subject: RE: We Wear Our Hair In Curls
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 12:08 PM

"I failed to mention that the tune for "We Are The Catty Girls" was the song "Ta-ra-ra Boom-de-ay".

That Pittsburgh examples differs from the other versions that I've read to date. All of those versions mention the girl's city or group and not what the girls considered to be an admirable attribute."...

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4) Subject: RE: We Wear Our Hair In Curls
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 01:08 PM

Here's some examples of the rhyme/song "We wear our hair in curls that mention the girls' school, or the name of their camp cabin, or some other demographical information:

FAIRFIELD GIRLS

We are the Fairfield Girls!

We wear our hair in curls!

We wear our dungarees,

Rolled up above our knees!

 

We wear our Fathers' shirts!

We wear our Brothers' ties!

And when it comes to boys,

We take them by surprize!

- late fifties hometown jingle; Fairfield, Connecticut

http://www.ellefagan.com/wordsite/fairfieldgirl.html

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WE ARE THE DUMTY GIRLS

We are the Dumpty Girls

(Tra la la boom di ay)

We are the Dumpty girls.

We wear our hair in curls.

We wear our dungarees.

Above our dirty knees.

We like to ride and swim.

With lots of pep and vim.

We are the Dumpty girls,

Of Strawderman.

-Camp Strawderman Song Book

Aug 17, 2003

["Dumpty" appears to be the name of a cabin at Camp Stawderman". However, I couldn't find on that page where that camp is located]

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:ixVOuE1m61gJ:www.sheldenstudios.com/images/camp_buttons/cs-songs.pdf+we+wear+our+hair+in+curls

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SENIOR GIRLS

We are the senior girls

We wear our hair in curls

We wear our dungarees way down below our knees

We don't tuck in our shirts

We are the biggest flirts

Hey guys here come the senior girls!

-YMCA Camp Eberhart ,southwest lower Michigan

http://campeb.org/alumni/songs.htm "

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5) Subject: RE: We Wear Our Hair In Curls
From: Carly
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 01:45 PM

"In the 1950's in Takoma Park, Maryland, we were singing (and jumping rope as we danced to)

 We are the Pepsi girls

 We wear our hair in curls

 We wear our dungarees

 Rolled up above our knees

We wear our mothers' skirts

We wear our fathers' ties

And when we meet a guy

We simply roll our eyes.

 

Carly Gewirz"

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6. Subject: RE: We Wear Our Hair In Curls
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 08:36 AM

The earliest version of "We wear our hair in curls" that I've found so far is the mid 1950s Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania rhyme. However, it's possible that this rhyme is older than that.

In my opinion, the "we wear our hair in curls" line refers to the once highly controvesial custom of women cutting their long hair and wearing it in a "bob" hair cut. American ballroon dancer Irene Castle started this fashion in 1915 when she cut her hair for the convenience short hair provided her. See this excerpt from

http://www.hairarchives.com/private/1920s.htm": *

"Hairstyles of the 1920s created more controversy in hair fashion than in any other period of American culture. And one hairstyle, known simply as "the bob," would be at the center of this great debate. First introduced during the Great War, the bob haircut would eventually cause a revolution in the way women would wear their hair forevermore.

It all started in 1915 with the debut of the Castle Bob, named after the celebrated ballroom dancer Irene Castle. While cutting her hair for convenience, little would she know that she would forever be associated with triggering a revolution in 20th-century hair fashion. The Castle Bob would be the first indication of things to come -the rage of short hair.

The free-spirited youth of the day readily accepted the new look and made it the forerunner of many fads and fashions which eventually led to new curling, perming and coloring methods. When a woman had her hair cut short, she grew bolder. Soon she began wearing 'long beads, short skirts, rolled stockings, and rough on her knees,' an expression synonymous with "the flapper". The rebellious change in hairstyle was just the beginning of a major change in societal norms and values seen during the 1920s."...

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[Italics added by me for emphasis.]

* Warning to those, like me, who detest sound clips: A sound clip of "Roaring 20s" music starts as soon as you click on this site and plays continually until you leave that site (or maybe it still continues to play, who knows?). My suggestion is to valiantly try to ignore that sound clip since the material on that page is quite interesting."

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7. 
Subject: RE: We Wear Our Hair In Curls
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 09:07 AM

"The line "We wear our dungarees" furthers the declaration of defiance against societal norms since prior to the 1970s or so, good girls were only supposed to wear dresses or skirts and blouses-even while playing.

Note for instance, that all the African American school girls in Bob Eberlein's, Bess Lomax Hawes's historically rich 1967 film. "Pizza Pizza Daddy-O" are wearing dresses.

Pizza Pizza Daddy O (a look at continuity and change in girl's playground games at a Los Angeles school)

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Also, see this response to the question:"When did women in American start wearing dungarees?"

"I would hazard a guess that it was in the early 50s. I remember wearing dungarees rolled up into a large cuff and a man-tailered white shirt outside the dungarees (not tucked in) when I was 12 or 13 years old.

I remember slacks for women becoming popular around the same time. We always wore skirts or dresses to school and in the late 50s to work in an office. Slacks or dungarees were NOT an option at the time.

Pant suits were not worn by women until the mid-sixties and it felt strange wearing them at first. I remember a friend wearing one to a party at my house - she walked in and ran straight in to the bathroom - she was that self-conscious about it!"

MusicloverOrange on May 17 2008

http://askville.amazon.com/women-American-start-wearing-dungarees/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=9776116

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Just for the record, the references to the "50s" and "mid-sixties" refers to the "1950s and the middle nineteen sixties". (This is one of my pet peeves. After all, the "50s" and "mid sixties" could refer to other centuries than the 20th century."

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8. 
Subject: RE: We Wear Our Hair In Curls
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 09:36 AM

"Notice-I've changed my mind about this rhyme originating before the 1950s. See how fast I can change my mind? ;o)

While I still believe that the line "We wear our hair in curls" refers to the "bobbed" short hair style, the line about wearing dungarees dates this rhyme as being post 1950s. As I recall, before the 1960s, females (women and girls) didn't wear pants out in public. But then again as a child, I recall wearing shorts and "pedal pushers" (shorts that were below your knees in length, almost like contemporary "capris".)

Here's another trip down memory lane-

When I was going to school in the 1950s, in the winter time, the only pants that girls wore outside were snow suit leggings, However, those snow suit leggings were considered to be too babyish for pre-teens and teenagers, and so girls either braved the cold without anything on their legs but knee socks, or we wore pants underneath our dresses. But as soon as we arrived at school or wherever else we were going, we would quickly take off those pants.

See this second article from When did women start wearing dungarees?

"early 1960's"

"In the 50s? Maybe- if she was working on a farm. Women in the cities wore dresses and skirts. (And slips and girdles and stockings.)

In 1960, in NYC, there was a 3 foot snow fall - a lot of snow for NYC. The women at Brooklyn College petitioned the Dean of Women to allow them to wear slacks. (Slacks, not jeans or "pants".) The Dean relented to the point that women students were allowed to wear slacks under their skirts, but they had to remove them in the vestibules of the buildings, and put them back on in the vestibules. Rosie the Riveter didn't attend Brooklyn College.

Times were very different then. Seeing a woman in pants in the 50s would have been only slightly less strange than seeing a man in a skirt today. (Women also smoothed their skirts when sitting - something you seldom see today. It's a device sometimes used in time travel novels - she sits without smoothing her skirt, she's from the future [of the 40s or 50s].)

Beach wear and informal wear was different - but a decent woman didn't wear jeans. (Although they did manufacture girl's jeans - the zipper was in the side, in the pocket area. But I never saw them in women's sizes.)

In the mid 50s, crinolines were in style - in some schools they had rules about the number of crinolines a girl could wear, because 2 girls sitting across an aisle from each other, each wearing 3 crinolines, would block the aisle. Also Poodle skirts, cardigans and saddle shoes were big."

by: Houston_proud on May 19 2008

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And I agree with Houston_proud that it was more likely the 1960s rather than the 1950s. Maybe it was even the mid 1960s.

Of course, the question should read "When did women >i>in the United States start wearing dungarees or other pants out in public?

What answer would you give to this question?"

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9. Subject: RE: We Wear Our Hair In Curls
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 10:13 AM

"You would think by now I would have learned not to jump to conclusions about a rhyme based on only one line of that rhyme.

But I'm still a grasshopper when it comes to textual analysis of rhymes. (Pardon the "Kung Fu" television show reference).

At any rate, I think that "We wear short dresses above our knees" predates the "We wear our dungarees".

Reinforcing my position that this rhyme was an in your face taunt directed at society in general, wearing either short dresses or wearing dungarees were both daring fashion styles for American females way back when. Note: By "shortened dresses" I'm not referring to 1960s mini-skirts, but to dresses that were knee length or slightly above the knees. (Reminder to view that "Pizza Pizza Daddy-O" clip whose hyperlink was given earlier in this thread).

The mid 1950s Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania version of this rhyme that my friend Barbara remembers includes the lines "We wear our dresses/up above our knees"

And the "Seven Sisters" version of this rhyme from Newark, New Jersey has been dated from as early as the mid 1960s, though it may have been known earlier than that. That version is:

Seven little sisters

Like to boogie down

Like to turn around

Like to touch the ground

Like to wear their skirts above their knees

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However, Carly remembers a 1950s version from Takoma Park, Maryland which includes the line "We wear our dungarees/Rolled up above our knees". And the famous version from the Stonewall Riot also refers to dungarees and not dresses: "We wear our dungarees/ Above our nelly knees!"

There's little doubt that the Stonewall nelly knees" line is a variant form of the original line. But I guess we have too few examples to determine without any doubt which line came first-"wear short dresses above our knees" or "wear dungarees rolled up above our knees".

If I were a betting person, my money would be on the "wear our dresses above our knees" line. But I never gamble. ;o)"

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10.  
Subject: RE: We Wear Our Hair In Curls
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 10:23 AM

"Here's a bit of trivia:

"Bobby-pins" comes from "the bob" women's fashion hair cut.

Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_pin and that http://www.hairarchives.com/private/1920s.htm that has the midi sound clip and

Am I the only one who didn't know this?"

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11. Subject: RE: We Wear Our Hair In Curls
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 10:56 AM

[…]

"Here's an example of "We wear our hair in curls" that mentions mini-skirts and>/i> includes the "toys/boys" line:

we're scoil mhuire girls!

we wear our hair in curls

we wear our dungarees above our sexy knees!

sha la la boom sha la sha la la boom sha la

we're scoil mhuire girls!

we wear our hair in curls

we wear our daddy's shirts over our mini-skirts!

sha la la boom sha la sha la la boom sha la

we're the scoil mhuire girls! we wear our hair in curls

and when it comes to toys

we'd rather play with boys!

sha la la boom sha la sha la la boom sha la

we're scoil mhuire girls!

we wear our hair in curls we don't smoke or drink

that's what our teachers think!

sha la la boom sha la sha la la boom sha la

 

http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=2235037070

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Also note the "sha la la boom sha la sha la la boom sha la" which is a clue that this rhyme uses the "Ta Ra Ra Boom De Aye" tune."
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Pancocojams Editor's Note April 13, 2025 -That website is no longer available.

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12. 
Subject: RE: We Wear Our Hair In Curls
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 11:45 AM

"Her's another example of "We wear our hair in curls" that mentions mini-skirts and includes the "toy/boy" line:

We are the Millfield girls

We wear our hair in curls

We wear our dungarees

Right up above our knees

We wear our fathers' shirts

Instead of mini skirts

And when it comes to boys

We treat them just like toys

We neither smoke nor drink

That's what our parents think

But when they're out of sight

We do it day and night

 

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071104023000AAle8Ch

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Unfortunately, like most examples of children's schoolyard rhymes found online, this example has no demographical information as to when the poster learned it. The name "Millfield" is given, but not where "Millfield" is located or if it's a city, school, camp or some other group.

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13.  
Subject: RE: We Wear Our Hair In Curls
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 05:22 PM

"CORRECTED WORDS TO SONGS:

I just called up my friend Barbara Ray because-after the fact-it occurred to me that she might have minded my using her first and last name on this forum. Thankfully, she doesn't mind at all.

But Barbara said that the words that I posted pn this thread aren't right. I have no explanation for the divergence in the lines I wrote down from her then. It may have been because we were rushing as I had asked her about the children's rhymes she knew while we were on a work break. At any rate, here are the words that Barbara sang to me today over the telephone:a

WE ARE THE CATTY GIRLS [corrected words]

We are the catty girls

We wear our hair in curls.

We wear our dungarees

rolled up above our knees.

We wear our sweaters tight.

The boys say that's alright.

We are too old for toys

But we're just right for boys.

-Barbara Ray, (African American) from her memories of her childhood in the Buff area of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, mid 1950s; collected by Azizi Powell, 2009"...

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14. Subject: RE: We Wear Our Hair In Curls
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 10:23 AM

"Here's some random thoughts about the rhymes posted on this thread:

I feel the need to reiterate that I've not read enough examples of "We are the ___/We wear our hair in curls" to say with any high degree of certainty whether the "wear our dungarees up above our knees" version predates the "wear our dresses up above our knees" version. But, so far, there certainly appear to be more "dungerees" versions than "dresses" versions.

But "Which version has the most examples?" is an entirely different question than "Which version came earlier:" and the question "Which is the earliest version?" (if not which is the earliest version?"

And if indeed there really are more versions of this rhyme that include the "dungaree above the knee" line, could that in any way be the result of the media attention that has been given to the Stonewall version of this rhyme? You will recall that the Stonewall version includes a referent to "dungarees".

 This question addresses the influence the media can have on the spread of children's rhymes, and the acceptance of one version of a rhyme instead of another."...

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15. Subject: RE: Lyr Req: We Wear Our Hair in Curls
From: GUEST,Guest, Laney
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 04:24 PM

"When i was in primary school we used to sing this version:

We are the _ girls,

We wear our hair in curls,

We wear our dungarees,

Up to our sexy knees,

We don't smoke or drink,

Thats what the teachers think,

And when it comes to boys,

We treat 'em like toys.

 

We used to use it as a school chant at matches and stuff, with actions and everything! Teachers didn't seem to see the funny side, but t'was fun.

 Laney"

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16. Subject: RE: Lyr Req: We Wear Our Hair in Curls
From: GUEST,Day Camp in NJ 1950s
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 02:16 AM

"We are the Bloomer girls

We wear our hair in curls

We wear our dungarees

above our dirty knees

We wear our father's shirts

We wear our brother's ties

And when we see the boys

We make those googlie eyes

Tah rah a boom de ay

Tah rah a boom de ay

We'll steal your pants away

Tah rah a boom de ay"

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17. Subject: RE: Lyr Req: We Wear Our Hair in Curls
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 23 Dec 11 - 08:30 PM

"Just for the record,dungarees (jeans) were not uncommon wear for women the the late 40s, if not earlier. Slacks were definitely common in the 40s, though schools tended to frown on them."

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18. Subject: RE: Lyr Req: We Wear Our Hair in Curls
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 24 Dec 11 - 10:58 AM

"and how did one wear dungarees to show off pretty knees? Cut0offs didn't appear until the 60s."

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19. Subject: RE: Lyr Req: We Wear Our Hair in Curls
From: GUEST,azizi
Date: 24 Dec 11 - 11:55 AM

"Hello, dick greenhaus

You asked "how did one wear dungarees to show off pretty knees?"

Here's one way: In several examples the words are "We wear our dungarees/Rolled up above our knees." "

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20.  
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: We Wear Our Hair in Curls
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 07:20 PM

"I have a reference to this "song" from my small town in Michigan from about 1948. It was sung by either the high school girls Glee Club or the girls basketball team:

We are the DeWitt Girls

We wear our hair in curls

we wear our dungarees

Way up above our knees

We never smoke or drink

(That's what our mothers think)

We are the DeWitt Girls

We are the DeWitt girls"

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