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Showing posts with label American fiddle song. Show all posts

Wednesday, November 25, 2020

"Walk, Chalk, Chicken With His Head Pecked Off" (old song & old time fiddle tune video, information, lyrics, & speculative meaning)



Chuck Levy, January 1, 2013

Joe Bone (Greg Allen, Bob Murphy, and Caitlin Murphy) at the Florida Masters concert at the Stephen Foster Old-Time Music Weekend, September, 2012.  Walk Chalk Chicken is a Melvin Wine tune.
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Although I'm showcasing a video of this old time fiddle tune, this post focuses on information about this song and its lyrics instead of the song's tune.

This is one of  several YouTube videos of the old time fiddle tune "Walk Chalk Chicken".

I chose to highlight this particular video because I live within walking distance (ten blocks) from the Stephen Foster Memorial Home (where that composer was born and lived) in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post presents information about and lyrics for the old time song and fiddle tune "Walk Chalk Chicken With His Head Pecked Off". That song is also known as "Walk Talk Chicken With His Head Pecked Off", "Walk Chalk Chicken With A Necktie On" and "Walk Chalk Chicken".

This post also includes my guess about the meaning of the "Walk, Chalk Chicken With His Head Pecked Off" song. 

The content of this post is presented for historical and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composer/s of this song. Thanks also to (African American) Thomas W. Talley for his collecting this song and including it in his now classic 1922 book Negro Folk Rhymes: Wise And Other Wise. Thanks to (White American) Melvin Wine for performing this fiddle tune and sharing it with others. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of the YouTube video whose link is provided. 

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INFORMATION ABOUT THE SONG "WALK CHALK [or WALK TALK] CHICKEN WITH YOUR HEAD PECKED OFF"

[Numbers and alphabetical order added for referencing purposes only] 

Excerpt #1
From https://tunearch.org/wiki/Annotation:Walk_Chalk_Chicken
"Traditional tune archive

WALK, CHALK CHICKEN. AKA - "Walk Chalk Chicken with a Necktie On." Old-Time, Reel. A cross-tuned (AEae) piece related to the “Farewell to Whiskey (1)/Young America/Ladies Triumph (1)” family of tunes, from the playing of Coppen, West Virginia, fiddler Melvin Wine. He learned the tune from his father, who was the only person he ever heard play it. Comparisons with a similarly-titled rhyme from early 20th century collector Thomas Talley's 1922 collection (Negro Folk Rhymes: Wise and Otherwise) called "Walk, Talk, Chicken with Your Head Pecked," or with the early minstrel song "Ginger Blue" (which uses the words "walk, talk"), are speculative, and no direct connection has been established."...

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Excerpt #2
From https://www.banjohangout.org/archive/315826
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Tobus - Posted - 03/04/2016
"As my first TOTW contribution, I'd like to post one of my favorite tunes, Walk Chalk Chicken.  Also known as Walk Chalk Chicken With a Necktie On.

Many of you probably already know this tune, but I think it's time to get it official in the TOTW list.

The source recording seems to be the late great West Virginia fiddler Melvin Wine (1909-2003).  He claimed to have learned it from his father, but never heard anyone else play it.  This tune appears in the Milliner-Koken Collection of American Fiddle tunes, and was on Melvin Wine's 1976 album Cold Frosty Morning.

The title of the tune, and thus its origin, seems to be a regular source of debate.  The name is thought by some to be a reference to the Chalk Line Walk or Cake Walk, which has a storied history in the antebellum South (allegedly spreading from Florida from about 1850).  Apologies for the sensitivity of the subject, but this was a dance performed by slaves to parody the high-society mannerisms of their masters, and ended up being the subject of later minstrel shows as a reverse parody.  However, there has been no actual documented connection between the Chalk Line Walk and this tune.  Other suggested origins include folk poems and more minstrel show material.

Claims of these connections tend to be based on the name of the tune alone, and it is certainly understandable.  The title is so unique, it would be difficult to imagine any other origin unrelated to these possibilities.  Any additional information or input would be appreciated, if anyone has it.  I wonder if more background could be gleaned from the book on Melvin's life?

So, on to the tune...”
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Tobus' comment continues with a description of how this tune is played and information about some of the recordings of this tune. Including YouTube videos.

Most of the responses to that comment also focus on how it is played as well as recordings of this tune, including YouTube videos. However, here are two  comments from that discussion thread that focus on the source for the tune and focus on the song's lyrics:

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B) BrendanD - Posted - 03/04/2016
…"The tune had always seemed oddly familiar to me from the time I first learned it, and at some point I realized that it's a version of the Irish tune "Farewell to Whiskey"! I'd love to know the path it took to get from Ireland to Braxton County, WV, and into the Wine family's repertoire. I have not heard it from any other source than Melvin.”….

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C) JanetB - Posted - 03/06/2016
"Welcome to TOTW, Tobus!  Your choice of tunes is wonderful, as is your presentation.  I'm always happy to learn more from the fiddling of Melvin Wine.   In the book Fiddling Way Out Yonder, the Life and Music of Melvin Wine by Drew Beisswenger there is almost a page of information on the tune, as well as a transcription of his fiddling.  It discusses the musicality of Walk Chalk Chicken, confirms that he learned it from his father, and compares it to related tunes.  Here's a quote from the book:  "The term 'walk chalk' is found in the song 'Ginger Blue,' described by White (ANFS, p. 380-81) as a pre-minstrel song, but the song's connection to 'Walk Chalk Chicken' is unclear."
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Here's an excerpt about the chalk line that I shared in 2005 on this Mudcat folk music forum's discussion thread: https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=80680  "Folklore: The Cake-Walk & Other Plantation Dances"
"Also, with regard to the chalk line, here's a quote that is excerpted from Lynne Fauley Emery's book "Black Dance From 1619 to Today" { Princeton, New Jersey, Princeton Books,1988, p.92}

"Entertainer Tom Fletcher heard stories about the Cake-Walk from his grandfather, who had won many prizes in calkwalking on the plantation. Fletcher quoted his grandfather as saying "Your grandmother and I, we won all the prizes and were taken from plantation to plantation."

Flether related that his grandfather had told him, that when the Cake-Walk began it was known as the 'chalk-line walk'.

"Sometimes on pleasant evenings, boards would be laid down for an impromptu stage before the verandah so the guest could have a good view of the proceedings and a real shingig would take place with singing and dancing. The cake-walk. in that section and at that time, was known as the chalk line walk. There was no prancing, just a straight walk on a path made by turns and so forth, along with the dancers made their way with a pail of water on their heads. The couple that was the most erect and spilled the least or no water at all was the winner." {Tom Fletcher, "The Tom Fletcher Story-100 Years of Negro In Show Business" [New York: Burdge and Company, Ltd. 1954, p. 19]"

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LYRICS FOR "WALK TALK CHICKEN WITH YOUR HEAD PECKED OFF" IN THOMAS W. TALLEY'S BOOK "NEGRO FOLK RHYMES"

WALK, TALK, CHICKEN WITH YOUR HEAD PECKED!
Walk, talk, chicken wid yō' head pecked!
You can crow w'en youse been dead.
Walk, talk, chicken wid yō' head pecked!
You can hōl' high yō' bloody head.

You's whooped dat Blue Hen's Chicken,
You's beat 'im at his game.
If dere's some fedders on him,
Fer dat you's not to blame.

Walk, talk, chicken wid yō' head pecked!
You beat ole Johnny Blue!
Walk, talk, chicken wid yō' head pecked!
Say: "Cock-a-doo-dle-doo—!"

Negro Folk Rhymes Wise And Other Wise , originally published in 1922 by (African American)  Thomas W. Talley https://www.gutenberg.org/files/27195/27195-h/27195-h.htm, [Pg 5]
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"Walk talk" probably is a folk processed form of  "walk chalk". In 19th century and early 29th century African American culture "walk chalk" meant "to walk the chalk line", the chalk line being the dance that later became known as "the cakewalk".  

The second verse of the entitled "Gooseberry Wine" in that book (on page 45) includes the words "walk, chalk":

Oh walk chalk, Ginger Blue!
Git over double trouble.
You needn' min' de wedder
So's de win' don't blow you double."

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SPECULATIVE MEANING OF THE SONG "WALK, CHALK, CHICKEN WITH HIS HEAD PECKED OFF"
My guess is that this song uses a fight between two chickens as a analogy for two men who have fought each other. The winner's is badly bruised (His head is (almost) pecked off or he suffered a lot of pecks (bruises). But he still won that fight (He beat up/whooped the other chicken. Therefore, instead of feeling bad that he didn't completely vanquish his opponent, he should accept his win and do a winner's walk (by strutting down the perhaps imaginary chalk walk and crow "Cock-a-doo-dle-doo—!"like a confident rooster.   


This song could have been used to teach coping skills, i.e. to help children and others prepare for how they should feel and react when they are confronted by people or circumstances and they do the best the best they can do. When that happens. remember to "give yourself some slack" and "big up yourself".

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Tuesday, March 10, 2015

Carolina Chocolate Drops and The Chieftains - "Pretty Little Girl With The Blue Dress On" (videos & lyrics)

Edited by Azizi Powell

This post showcases two video examples of the American fiddle song (Old Time music) song "Pretty Little Girl With The Blue Dress On." This song is also known as "Pretty Little Gal With The Blue Dress On" and "Pretty Little Girl With The Red Dress On".

This post also includes information about "Pretty Little Girl With The Blue Dress On", including its probable source in a 19th century African American "patting" dance song and its use as a sea shanty (sailors' song). In addition, this post includes song lyrics for those examples as well as for this song as sung by the Carolina Chocolate Drops.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the composers and the collectors of this song. Thanks also to Carolina Chocolate Drops and for their performances of this song. Thanks also to the publishers of these videos on YouTube and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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INFORMATION ABOUT "PRETTY LITTLE GIRL WITH THE BLUE DRESS ON"
"Pretty Little Girl With The Blue Dress On" (also "Pretty Little Girl With The Red Dress On") is an American fiddle song (Old Time Music song) that is found in African American and Anglo-American repertoires.

"Gal With The Blue Dress" is also a shanty (sailors' song) that is part of the "Johnny Come Down To Hilo" family of songs. An example of "Gal With A Blue Dress On" is included in Stan Hugill's 1961 collection of four hundred sea shanties Shanties from the Seven Seas http://www.stanhugill.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Stan%20the%20Author/shanties_from_the_seven_seas.htm. A. A. Lloyd who sung the song "Johnny come Down To Hilo" and some other songs for this collection wrote that "Johnny Comes Down To Hilo was "A halyard shanty, most shelbacks say, though at least one 19th collection names it a pumping song. Known to Liverpool seamen, but sounding much like a Negro composition." (quoted by curmudgeon in http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=52717 "Origin: Johnny Come Down to Hilo".

Versions of this song can be traced back to the 19th century African American secular dance song "Pretty Little Gal With The Josey On". (a josey is a type of female cape (coat) which was fashionable in parts of the 19th century). Mudcat blogger Charley Noble wrote in that same discussion thread about that song "Well, apparently a plantation version can be traced back to the 1860's, as recalled by Solomon Northup, one of the best known Black itinerant musicians of the 19th century according to Eileen Southern in her book THE MUSIC OF BLACK AMERICANS. This fragment is what's called a "patting song", one that was used for dancing when there weren't any instruments:

Who's been here since I've been gone?
Pretty little gal with a josey on.
Hog eye!
Old hog eye!
And Hosey too!
Never seen the like since I was born,
Here comes a little gal wid a josey on.
Hog eye!
Old hog eye!
And Hosey too!
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"Hog Eye" is the title of another group of Old Time African American dance songs.

Charley Noble and some other bloggers in another Mudcat folk music discussion thread suggested that the "gal with the blue dress on" (or "the red dress on") was a sexually promiscuous woman. Charley Noble wrote "She's been around. Sometimes she hangs with Johnney, when he's not off to Hilo. Sometimes she entertains other folks while Johnney is away." http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=59635"
"Pretty Little Girl With a Blue Dress On"

On that same Mudcat thread Stewie shared "She's been around. wrote "In her 'red dress', she turns up in all manner of songs such as Leadbelly's 'Poor Howard', Uncle Dave's 'Come on buddie don't you want to go' and Jim Jackson's 'Old Dog Blue'.

Also on that same Mudcat thread about Guest, Pete Walker wrote this comment and quoted these song lyrics:

This halyard shanty comes from "Shanties from the Seven Seas" by Stan Hugall, singing of A. L. Lloyd, and various forgotten sources over the years. Also called "Shake Her, Johnny, Shake Her" and "Gal With A Blue Dress On"

A gal asleep with a blue dress on,
> Shake 'er Johnny, shake ''er!
She waitin' there for your Uncle Tom,
> Shake 'er and we'll wake 'er.

This gal she did look good to me,
For I have been ten months at sea.

She's a Down East gal wid a Down East style,
For a dollar a time it's all worth while.

Wake up you b&&ch* and let us in,
Wake up you b&&ch* we want some gin.

Roust an' shake her is the cry,
The bloody topmast sheave is dry!

The big wind comes from the Wes'-nor'-west,
This gal ain't gonner get no rest.

What can you do in Tiger Bay,
But give them flash gals all your pay.

Shake 'er, bullies, oh helm's a-lee,
She'll git washed out wid a big green sea.

Her oilskins they are all in pawn,
It's wet an' draughty 'round Cape Horn.

So roust 'er up from down below,
An' haul away for Uncle Joe.

This gal she is a high-brown** lass,
High-brown lass in a flash blue dress.

So roust 'er up be quick I say,
An' make yer port an' take yer pay.

Soon we'll be down Mobile Bay,
Screwin' cotton for to git our pay.
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* This curse word was fully spelled out in this quote.
** A "high brown" lass = a light brown skinned Black woman (one whose skin color may have been darker than Black women who were referred to as "yellow" and definitely darker than those Black woman who were referred to as being "high yellow".)

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FEATURED EXAMPLES
These examples are presented in chronological order based on their publishing dates on YouTube with the examples with the oldest dates presented first.

Example #1: Carolina Chocolate Drops : "Pretty Girl With the Blue Dress On" (FolkAlley.com)



FolkAlleydotCom, Uploaded on Nov 10, 2011
The Carolina Chocolate Drops performing live from the Folk Alley Studios

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Example #2: The Chieftains with Carolina Chocolate Drops Pretty Little Girl



BrownSauceTVPublished on Sep 19, 2012

The Cheiftains with Carolina Chocolate Drops performing Peggy Gordon from their album of collaborations 'Voice Of Ages' live on Later with Jools Holland 27th April 2012.

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LYRICS - PRETTY LITTLE GIRL WITH THE BLUE DRESS ON
[as recorded by The Chieftains, featuring: Carolina Chocolate Drops]

Pretty little girl with a blue dress on
Pretty little girl with a blue dress on
Pretty little girl with a blue dress on
Stole my mule and away she's gone.

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Swing that girl with the blue dress on

Pretty little girl with a blue dress on
Pretty little girl with a blue dress on
Pretty little girl with a blue dress on
Stole my mule and away she's gone.

Walked out that door in quiet shame
Got no one but myself to blame.
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As suggested in the information about this song that was given earlier in this post, the lyrics of this song as sung by the Carolina Chocolate Drops is only one of multiple versions of song lyrics for "Pretty Little Girl With The Blue Dress On".

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