/\/\ MARCHINGSTPORT, October 13, 2015
Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post showcases a YouTube video of a HBCU marching band battle with arrangements of Cameo's 1984 hit record "Talking Out The Side Of Your Neck" which is most often called "Neck".
This post also includes information about the meaning of the African American Vernacular English phrase "talkin out the side of your neck". This post also presents an article excerpt about how that song became so popular among Historically Black College And University (HBCU) marching bands.
Selected comments from the discussion thread for this embedded video are also included in this pancocojams post.
The content of this post is presented for historical, cultural, and entertainment purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Cameo for composing and recording this song and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks to Anthony “Tony” Anderson from Norfolk State University and all those who helped "Neck" become a HBCU marching band anthem and thanks also to the publishers of this video on YouTube.
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Also, click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/08/two-comedic-re-enactments-comparing.html for the closely related pancocojams post entitled "Two Videos Of Black Stand Up Comics Comparing The Ways That HBCU And Non-HBCU Bands March (with information & Comments)."
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INFORMATION ABOUT THE "TALKIN OUT THE SIDE OF YA NECK" RECORD
"Talkin' Out the Side of Your Neck" is a song by American funk band Cameo and the third track on their 1984 album, She's Strange. The song was released as a single with "Léve Toi!" in 1984.[2] Since its release, it has become associated with HBCU bands[3] and the LSU Tiger Marching Band.[4]
Composition
"Talkin' Out the Side of Your Neck" features
elements of hip hop and funk music. Daryl Easlea, writing for BBC Music,
described the song as "an attack on the Reagan government [...] rocking a
metal groove, full of sassy uptown horns with Talking Heads-style keyboard
washes".[5] The song's lyrics mention presidents Richard Nixon, Gerald
Ford, Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan, with the chorus repeating "You're
gonna get what's comin' to you yet".
[…]
Legacy
"Talkin' Out the Side of Your Neck" has become a commonly played arrangement for many marching bands, particularly HBCU bands. The tradition's origins are unknown, but multiple Norfolk State University alumni claim its first marching band performance to have been the 1984 edition of the Battle of the Bay, NSU's football rivalry with Hampton University.[3]
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Released 1984
[…]
Genre R&B, funk,
hip hop
[…]
Songwriter(s)
Larry Blackmon, Charles Singleton, Nathan David Leftenant, Thomas
Michael Jenkins
Producer(s) Larry
Blackmon"...
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WHAT "TALKING OUT THE SIDE OF YOUR NECK" MEANS
Online Definition #1
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Online Definition #2
https://www.reddit.com/r/KendrickLamar/comments/1c7o8ab/what_does_talking_outta_they_necks_mean/
"Yappin basically, making sh-t* up, talking sh-t*, etc"
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This word is fully spelled out in this definition.
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Online Definition #3
Google Search AI Generated Jan 11, 2022
"talking nonsense, either by straight-up lying or
exaggerating to the point that someone can't back up their own words with their
actions."
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ARTICLE EXCERPT ABOUT "NECK"
by https://hbcugameday.com/2019/12/30/cameo-neck-hbcu-marching-band-starts-norfolk-state-spartan-legion/ "
Cameo dropped “Talking Out The Side of Ya Neck” 35 years ago and the HBCU world has never been the same since. How did it start?
"HBCUs have a long and illustrious history of athletic and
band achievements. When attending an HBCU sporting event, attendees should
expect to see a tailgate, the Royal Courts, the NPHC (National Pan-Hellenic
Council), alumni of all ages, athletes, and without a doubt, they will
experience a black college band performance.
Each HBCU marching band has its own flavor, style, and prestige making them special in their own right. However, they all share one special song: Cameo’s “Talkin Out the Side of Yo Neck.” Since its adoption, everyone in the HBCU community agrees this is a timeless marching band anthem, but like most great traditions, many bands like to claim they were the first to perform it. Until now, no one could truly lay claim to the elusive title of originator. On December 22, 2019, I found out in the basement during a family function in Prince George’s County, Maryland.
I was asked to attend a family gathering by my friend Kathryne Burton. The get together was at her friend, Aerika Anderson’s home. This would be my first time visiting and I knew her dad was my frat brother so I decided to go. Once I found out he was from Pi Gamma chapter of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity Incorporated, it was instant love at that point. The night was winding down and the remaining people congregated to the basement at the bar downstairs. As we were having great conversation and good laughs, I overheard something that I found to be groundbreaking.
Anthony “Tony” Anderson, a native of Richmond, VA, a graduate of Norfolk State University and Spring 1985 initiate of the Pi Gamma chapter of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity Incorporated, mentioned the song “Talkin Out the Side of Yo Neck.” Anderson was one of the well-respected leaders of NSU’s Spartan Legion in 1984. Anderson continued the conversation and in a split second, he tapped his chest twice and emphatically.
“I’m the one who started playing Neck first,” he beamed proudly. “We played that back in 1984!”
Everyone outside of family and friends, who had obviously heard the story before, were shocked.
Like us, many people are not too sure of the origin behind Neck and who played it first. I thought a SWAC school was the first to do it. My friend, Chelsea Chambers thought it was Southern University who started it in the late 90s. So it was only right to hear the whole story behind the HBCU marching band anthem. Denise Anderson, who was an original “Hot Ice” dance line member back in 1984 co-signed and confirmed that Tony was the person to bring the idea to the rest of the band. She even called her dance line sister, Stephanie Wright-Jenkins, for further confirmation. Denise and Wright-Jenkins were apart of the Hot Ice’s Original Six, which started back in 1983.
Tony Anderson, who was a trombone player during the 1984
season and later became drum major in 1985, continued to go in-depth with the
story of how he came up with the idea.
“I was riding back to Hampton with my brothers, we were passing the Williamsburg exit on I-64 and the song came on and I knew I wanted to use this song. The title and the blaring horns are what called my attention to the song being that Hampton U always talked trash as rival bands did. This was a week before we played Hampton. I had to write down the lyrics, the notes and buy the tape but I knew this was it!”
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“The crowd went crazy over the song. They yelled from the
first up 2! It caught on like nobody’s business.”
The Spartan Legion completed their performance and to put the icing on the cake, Norfolk State defeated Hampton University 15-7 in the Battle of the Bay. That was also the day that Neck became the Spartan Legion anthem. Prior to this game, “Warren’s Jam,” was the Legion’s original anthem.
It was a banner year for NSU. The school won the CIAA
basketball and football titles that year, and apparently its band was at the
forefront of a new movement.
There has been a ton of speculation behind who came up with
Neck but one thing that can be confirmed is the impact Anderson and the Spartan
Legion had on America’s Marching Band culture. Anderson spoke on the expansion
of the song throughout the numerous marching bands locally and statewide.
“After we played it, we got so much approval from it, that became our anthem,” Anderson said. “Then others started catching onto it and playing it as well. See, Norfolk is a big feeding area and all the local middle school, high school, and college bands in the area started to play it and that was because of us. It’s still a big thing because it’s a song that every marching band plays now. You ask anybody from Norfolk State back in the day and they’ll tell you that we started that. So to hear not only HBCUs but PWIs (Predominantly White Institutions) like LSU and Ohio State playing it was crazy.”
[…]
To be the originator of something so important to not only
Black culture but band culture has to feel like a tremendous accomplishment.
There has been chatter that the SWAC may have played it first in 1984 but
according to Wright-Jenkins, the impact of Neck belongs to Norfolk State’s
Spartan Legion, then a band in the CIAA.
“I want the credit to be given where it should. To hear elementary, middle, high school, black college, and PWIs are playing it. I believe Hampton was the first to play it after us because they copied everything we did. Then Howard was after Hampton. I was told that Texas Southern may have played it the same year but to my knowledge, the SWAC didn’t catch onto Neck until the 90s. Neck is the most influential song to bands. Everyone across lines plays Neck. It’s almost as common as hearing the Star-Spangled Banner every time you go to a college sporting event.”
For 35 years, Neck has become the most notable band song to be played throughout the country. When the song starts, you can see how infectious the sound is to a crowd. At HBCUs, you will see people dancing and members of the D9 strolling to this song. Chances are if you went to an HBCU football game and this song played, you will see members of Omega Psi Phi setting it owt to Neck. That’s most fitting considering Anderson is also a member.
There is no definite answer to who started playing Neck first but one is hard-pressed to hear a story like this one and not believe it. And remember, there was no Youtube to document what was played on a weekly basis. The way Anderson and Wright-Jenkins spoke of this cultural phenomenon gave me no reason not to believe that the Spartan Legion were the pace-setters to the marching band anthem. In my conversations with them both, the most important characteristic of this story is impact. Neck will be a song that will be played for many more years to come.
Thank you, to Anthony “Tony” Anderson and the Spartan Legion for their attribution to the culture.
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THE DISCUSSION THREAD FOR THIS SHOWCASED VIDEO
Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64HrSIWh0jM&t=1s
1. @Jalapenomind, 2016
"ASU won the Neck Battle definitely!"
2. @hazzaustin5571, 2016
"I'm a SU fan but I like the creativity of their neck. but SU had that power though"
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3. @fabulouscarter5289, 2016
"this is really only the second school I seen SU ever get blowed out by......jsu and alabama state"
4. @SwagDealer9
, 2016**
5. @mybro727, 2016
"ASU definitely had power as well especially for their size. If ASU was SU's size I think we all know which band would've been more powerful."
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6. @thefam6952, 2016
"Its no shadeBut ASU ddefinitely winthis battle !!!! We all know southern won overall but state won this !!"
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7.@hazzaustin5571, 2016
"yeah the definitely won this with the creativity of their neck but power goes to SU"
8. @kola1060, 2016
"Musicianship goes to Southern... ASU was more entertaining or at least from what this video shows. Southern's brass section is phenomenal."
9. @dontealmighty9517, 2016
"Southern took the win. #jukenation"
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10. @chrissellers205, 2016
"really?"
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11. @dontealmighty9517, 2016
"Their arrangement is simple and clean in my opinion."
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12. @Polamalu_, 2019
"You a southern fan that's why you said that"
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13. @biancaortegaa, 2021
"@dontealmighty9517 No worries let asu have that little neck battle SU was in they ass the whole night legend has it if u were to walk through bama state's stadium today you will still hear 2015's echo from SU 
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14. @kvngvl5563, 2019
"There’s only two schools that can blow out SU ok Alabama State and Jackson State I was at this game state won this battle"
15. @s2royal395, 2019
"What do they say when they are waving there hands"
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16. @MarchingsportHD, 2019
"Hey ohhh, you're talking out the side of your neck"
17. @3rdeyebookingcompany510, 2020
"SU was way cleaner and precise. ASU all over the place."
18. @zaylonjohnson, 2021
"bama state killed em. ngl"
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19. @Tjevdevs, 2022
"It’s not smart to get in a “NECK” battle with Alabama State, southern found that out the hard way"
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20. @TJB24, 2023
"Baritones was giving it their all at ASU but I liked Southern more because it sounded way cleaner"
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