Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post presents some definitions of the term "blaccent" from various online sources.
This post also presents some history of the use of the term "blaccent" along with selected comments about that term.
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DEFINITIONS OF THE TERM "BLACCENT" AND SELECTED ONLINE COMMENTS ABOUT "BLACCENT"
These definitions and comments are presented in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.
Source #1
From https://www.oed.com/dictionary/blaccent_n
"Originally and chiefly U.S.
1986–
A way of speaking that uses the pronunciation, cadences, or
grammatical features of African American English; esp. one acquired or affected
by a non-black person and now typically regarded as misleading, stereotypical,
etc., or as a form of cultural appropriation.
1986
[Ezra] Pound was a superb mimic... He had an American
cracker-barrel accent, an American Blackcent, he had cockney, he had bistro
French.
San José Studies (San José State University Found.) Fall
7Citation details for San José Studies"...
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Source #2
From
…."There are a lot of ways a non-black person can put on a
blaccent, or a black accent. These include using slang (yaaaas queen is a
frequent offender, taken from black queer culture) and speaking with a speech
quality reminiscent of Black English.
Early evidence for the term blaccent comes in 2003 on internet forums to refer to black speech in general. It was used again in 2009 to talk about the way President Obama was perceived to code-switch into Black (vs. Standard) English when speaking to black audiences.
By 2010, however, blaccent began to more specifically refer to when non-black people tried to speak Black English—whether for clout or coin.
Entertainers, especially female rappers and singers, have
been notably accused of adopting a blaccent throughout the 2010s. Examples
include Iggy Azalea in 2015, Bhad Bhabie in 2017, and Ariana Grande in late
2018. Actress and rapper Nora Lum was also charged with using a blaccent in the
hit 2018 romantic comedy, Crazy Rich Asians.
These criticisms helped bring blaccent into more mainstream
discussions of cultural appropriation.
EXAMPLES OF BLACCENT
yall do not chop your words up. yall do not combine yall
words. yall do not have a "blaccent" so stop trying. you dont speak
AAVE. we are not yall "fam" and yall do not greet eachother with
"bitchhh" etc etc yall just dont. yall never have stop wave riding.
@bubzlightyear, February 2018."...
-snip-
Nora Lum is most commonly known by her stage name Awkwafina.
"AAVE" = African American Vernacular English
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Source #3
From https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/non-black-celebrities-olivia-rodrigo-blaccent-appropriation-135706807.html "When non-Black celebrities like Olivia Rodrigo speak with a 'blaccent,' is it
appropriation? Experts explain." by Beth Greenfield, August 6, 2021
..."What is a “blaccent”?
[Deandre A ] Miles-Hercules [a doctoral student in linguistics at the University of California, Santa Barbara] says it is “a register of speech that appropriates features of what gets called African-American English, or Ebonics, often at a syntax or grammar level. It’s rarely appropriated by rhythm or intonation because those are the hardest to acquire.” So, when someone says something sounds “cringey” (as with Rodrigo), they add, “I think what they’re attuning to is a rhythm that sounds very foreign, or not native… It sounds just kind of off… They kind of throw in this word or grammar into what, otherwise, is like a white, relatively standard kind of accent… so cherry-picking individual features to sound cool.”
Lauren Michele Jackson, author of White Negroes: When Cornrows Were in Vogue & Other Thoughts on Cultural Appropriation, explained the blaccent in a 2018 Vulture essay that examined the speech of Awkwafina as well as her character Peik Lin.
“Sliding in and out of a grammar that speeds past certain
consonants, utilizes the habitual ‘be,’ and takes on a twang with danks and
struggles aplenty, Awkwafina has inspired the resurrection of that dreaded
portmanteau reserved for non-Black people with Black voices, hardly seen since
Iggy Azalea could claim song of the summer: blaccent,” she wrote. “Peik Lin’s
flirtation with Black vernacular, along with the character’s general swagger,
clinches the case, and another buzzword enters the frame: appropriation, a word
that now commonly connotes knowing, cultural theft.”
When its usage is wrong, Jackson noted, it’s “a feeling, an informed suspicion better felt in the bones than cross-referenced with a grammarian, not because Black languages lack their own grammar, but because, so writes linguist J.L. Dillard in the landmark 1972 study Black English, ‘We could diagram Black English, but we would know no more about it afterward than we did before.’ Either you know, or you don’t.” Still, she pointed out, it’s complicated.
“A certain millennial cool-kid identity is already
predicated on basic appropriations that get overlooked when every case becomes
exemplary, instead of evidentiary,” she wrote. “It’s all very messy, and power
makes it messy, but treating the blaccent as something authentically Black and
stolen doesn’t make it any clearer.”
Even less clear, notes a Guardian story about Riley Keough’s
character in the new film Zola, are Hollywood portrayals of characters with
blaccents. “Literal blackface is (now) a very obvious form of racist
appropriation, but when it comes to linguistics, it is more difficult to know
where to draw the line,” explains the piece. “The two used to go hand-in-hand,
but African-American Vernacular English, to give it its formal term, is
constantly feeding into mainstream (aka historically white) language. It is often
the place where the cool words come from – including ‘cool’ itself (flashback
to In the Cut where Meg Ryan meets with a Black student to get the latest slang
words hot off the street). Appropriation is often called out in music (e.g.,
Iggy Azalea) but in film it’s less clear cut.
[...]
The bottom-line problem: Economics
Sure, it’s messy. But because the problem is systemic, many
point out that the biggest issue is that it leads the appropriators to profit
off of language that can actually be disadvantageous for those to whom it’s
native.
And that’s something that folks like Rodrigo appear to understand, as evidenced, Miles-Hercules says, by the fact that she understands when a blaccent brings “cool points” and when it’s “not appropriate to use,” such as on a recent trip to the White House to encourage youth vaccinations. So the excuse that someone didn’t know language is appropriated is “BS.”
“Ignorance related to that is abdication of responsibility,” Miles-Hercules adds. “Not only is it nonsense, I think it’s intentional, it’s cultural amnesia, and it’s part of how racism and white supremacy function — by forgetting things do have roots behind them.”
The point is, notes a piece in Babbel, “AAVE, when used by African-American people, is often associated with ‘undesirable’ parts of society like poverty, drugs, violence and gangs. But when corporations or white people use it, they are co-opting its ‘cool’ potential for their own gain — and giving nothing back to the community that created it.”"...
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Source #4
From https://www.theskimm.com/news/how-blaccents-appropriate-black-culture-and-why-theyve-flown-under-the-radar "How ‘Blaccents’ Appropriate Black Culture — And Why They’ve Flown Under the
Radar for Decades", Skimm'd by Macy Alcido, Maria McCallen and Kamini Ramdeen-Chowdhury, February 11, 2022
She’s not the first or only celebrity to be accused of appropriating Black culture (from Elvis Presley to the Kardashians and Olivia Rodrigo). But her response is starting a wave of re-education on the term blaccent. And the long history of appropriation vs appreciation of Black culture.
[...]
Defining Blaccent and Its Origins
We chatted with experts to get a deeper understanding of
what blaccent is. Including Renée Blake — associate professor of linguistics at
NYU, and an associate producer on the Emmy Award-winning “Talking Black in
America.” She defined blaccent as: “the use of African American language by
those outside of the community…it's looked at as an appropriation of the
language. And to the advantage of those using it. It's then seen as a commodity
for people outside of the community.” ...
Source #5
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1. Sailorjupiter97, 2022
"The thing that blows me about her [Awkwafina] and other non
Black ppl using AAVE is that they always sound the same. AAVE has different
dialects and sounds completely different depending on where you’re from. Black
Californians using AAVE sound different than New Yorkers using AAVE sound
different than Texans using AAVE. Non Black ppl and Awkwafina all sound the
exact same and all manage to be from different areas in the country. So it’s
extremely weird. And idk the whole “i grew up around Black ppl” thing is weird
to me bc I grew up around Asians and Mexicans (my school was mainly
Asian/Mexican and so were my neighborhoods) who had accents and I didn’t pick
up on that? Neither did my sisters or the Black kids at my school. So it’s a
little odd to see that excuse especially since she’s from Forest Hills in NYC
but whatever i’ll look past that. My whole thing is, to her thing about Asian
ppl who immigrate to America having some sort of identity crisis, why don’t
they just act like themselves or white ppl? Why is there some sort of memo to
mimic Black ppl (while a lot stay racist to Black ppl at the same time)? And
another thing, she dropped her “accent” as soon, as SOON as she got serious
acting roles. So that’s even more clear she was using AAVE to mock and get in
the door of being “funny”."...
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2. crazysouthie, 2022
"Awkwafina could have just shown her commitment to this by
saying she was going to use Nora Lum as her stage name from now on, apologising
with no excuses and promising to financially help out Black art and artists.
This overlong note was clearly written with the help of a white PR team who
didn't know how to properly understand this conversation.
That being said even as someone who thinks that Awkwafina is in the wrong and completely mishandled this, I don't think this conversation is all that simple.
On Twitter, I see people mixing up blaccents, AAVE and Black slang. I saw some posts where Black Americans were telling Black Africans not to use Black slang. There's something extremely odd and parochial about this. Culture doesn't work this way (particularly with questions of power and American soft power).
Questions around the use of AAVE are also questions around culture, cultural appropriation and power. AAVE itself has multiple dialects and draws on both the culture of African-Americans and immigrant Africans and Carribeans like Black British English. I don't think social media is equipped to deal with the nuances of this conversation at all.
Awkwafina using a blaccent and employing minstrelsy for comedy has a long history in American cinema. It's a history that needs to be reckoned with but also it's endemic to comedy. Looney Tunes to shows like I love Lucy all relied on minstrelsy for comedy (certain ways of comedic exaggeration and more)."
Awkwafina is far from the only person who's profited from Black culture in Hollywood. The Kardashians, Ariana Grande and many more don't seem to attract a fraction of this kind of vitriol around appropriation. I think she has become the individual around whom the noose of a systemic problem in Hollywood has tightened as opposed to the studios and the ecosystems that reward people who are not Black in various ways".
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Source #6
From https://www.reddit.com/r/ThoughtWarriors/comments/snqjn2/lets_talk_about_the_blaccent/
1. FuzzyOptics, 2021
"People from other places who don't know American history
intimately are not going to understand cultural appropriation from Black
Americans. Even people born here with general education in our history are
going to tend to not really be sensitive to this.
It's not just about appropriation, but also appropriation for profit, while also coinciding with systematic racism that can often make it easier for Whites to profit from Black culture. I don't think that combination of factors is going to be present in the experiences of most people.
Asian American kids who are into hip hop culture who speak in a way that is influenced and informed by AAVE do so in a way they think is about cultural appreciation and affinity. Even Japanese kids who get brown tans and kink their hair are doing it in a way they think is positive and about appreciation.
But when Awkwafina does it not just as personal expression but as part of an entertainment persona, then it becomes more problematic. Reminds people of the times when White performers were able to adopt Black culture for personal profit and become bigger and more mainstream than a Black performer could, by virtue of being White.
Am totally with you on how we need to come together and not
tear each other apart. As an Asian American, I find it really disappointing
when I talk to some Asian Americans who embrace the model minority myth and who
buy into racist perceptions of Black Americans and do not see what the Black
Civil Rights struggle brought to all people of color, and how we have benefited
from that. And how, at the least, we need to be anti-racist, not co-opted as
pawns within systematic racism."
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2.
"Nora’s normal speaking voice sounds like this
https://youtu.be/3O4rihvfX2g Her blaccent is nowhere to be found. She pulls it
out when it’s convenient. As another person mentioned, she’s from a
predominantly white and Asian part of Queens. Idk why so many people want to
give her a pass on talking in an exaggerated caricature of a dialect that isn’t
hers."
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3. erossalvatore, 2021
"She grew up in Forest Hills, a neighborhood that’s 2.5%
Black. She did not grow up in an area where she could’ve possibly picked up the
“blaccent” she performs as Awkafina. We’re dragging the right person for the
right reasons.
Sincerely, A Black person from the Bronx, the birthplace of
hip hop"
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"Forest Hills is a mostly residential neighborhood in the
central portion of the borough of Queens in New York City." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Hills,_Queens
"The
Bronx (/brɒŋks/) is a borough of New York City, coextensive with Bronx County,
in the U.S. state of New York. It is south of Westchester County; north and
east of the New York City borough of Manhattan, across the Harlem River; and
north of the New York City borough of Queens, across the East River. The Bronx
has a land area of 42 square miles (109 km2) and a population of 1,472,654 in
the 2020 census.[1] If each borough were ranked as a city, the Bronx would rank
as the ninth-most-populous in the U.S. Of the five boroughs, it has the
fourth-largest area, fourth-highest population, and third-highest population
density.[4] It is the only borough of New York City not primarily on an island.
With a population that is 54.8% Hispanic as of 2020, it is the only
majority-Hispanic county in the Northeastern United States and the
fourth-most-populous nationwide." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bronx
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"Louder!!! In 2019 and 2020, white and Asian people in Forest
Hills were fighting like hell against integration plans in order to keep Black
kids out of their neighborhood public schools. And I’m supposed to believe she
was reared in the heart of Blackness thus she has a Blaccent that doesn’t even
sound like folks from Queensbridge or Jamaica??? 😭🥴"
-snip-
"Queensbridge Houses, also known simply as Queensbridge or
QB, is a public housing development in the Long Island City neighborhood of
Queens, New York City. Owned by the New York City Housing Authority, the
development contains 96 buildings and 3,142 units accommodating approximately
7,000 people in two separate complexes (North and South).[1] The complex opened
in 1939[2] and is the largest housing project in North America.[3]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queensbridge_Houses
"Jamaica is a neighborhood in the New York City borough of
Queens. It is mainly composed of a large commercial and retail area, though
part of the neighborhood is also residential" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaica,_Queens
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5. theswagsauce, 2021
"No, we’ve got the right one. As a Black NYC native, Black
people have different accents borough to borough and she doesn’t sound like any
of us."
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6. MarcTurntables, 2021
"Exactly this. She sounds like she’s clowning on kids she’s
heard somewhere someplace.
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7. [deleted], 2021
"lets not pretend there isnt a trend of Asain ppl
jacking off black culture..KPOP but thats for another day. lets also not
pretend there isnt a caricature of a black women that white gays and other
cultures love to do. if you listen awkwafinas early rap/videos you know she
wasnt doing a NYC accent and im from brooklyn so its a bunch of bullsh-t*.your
very specific scenario is also not awkwafinas like yall are jumping through
hoops writing stories to justify something she very clearly did" …
-snip-
*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.
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Source #7
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mXaccYFKRQ "What Is Blaccent And Why Do People Keep Using It?", published by PBS Origins, Apr 11, 2022
1.@crystalxchi8576, 2022
"@VOLCAL and for your information, blaccent is just
English spoken with an African American accent. That accent was formed when
black people were trying to adapt and has a strong African origin. Of course
they didn't come off the boats speaking blaccent, it was formed as they
switched from their native African languages to English. Let that sink in your
pea sized brain."
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2. @eoincampbell1584, 2022
"@harami_teri_maki Under every video I've seen about this topic
there is always a few comments from white people who grew up in majority black
neighborhoods and so speak in AAVE because that's how the people around them
were speaking when they were growing up. That's the kind of thing I mean by
cultural osmosis and how it can be separate from harmful appropriation."
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3. @lovinavargas-carriedo2698, 2022
"I work with an 80% black population at work. I'm mixed
Latina and rarely use spanglish. I've been there five years and the only think
keeping black vernacular out of my vocabulary has been the fear of
appropriating and offending someone. Today was the day when I had
unintentionally used black vernacular because it's been absorbed into my language use due to proximity, same
way that I say anything else that a friend or family member would say
frequently. So it's pretty cool that this video popped up as I was thinking
about how I had absorbed language.
4.
"As a Black linguist, I can say that there are definitely
people who speak using AAVE or accents which have their origins in regional
Black communities that have developed this manner of speach through cultural
osmosis. However, because these accents are stigmatized, most of them are
essentially in the same boat as their black counterparts when it comes to how
their speech is perceived. The famous people in this video all appropriated
their accents in order to make their co-opting of what had been known as primarily
black art/ music/ styling etc. seem more believeable and less like theft to
their fanbases. Until VERY RECENTLY in our media it seemed that it was fine for
a person to look, dress, and sound black as long as they did so as a wealthy,
non-black person."
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5. @axelbruv, 2022
"What's exploitative about changing your accent as a fashion
statement? Would love to know. Imitation is the highest form of flattery, and
the influence of black people on culture is plain to see and hear. Music,
dance, speech etc. We have a similar phenomenon in the UK. It's called
"Multicultural London English" now, although that's a misnomer
because it originated from Jamaican Patois, and is not related to the true
London dialect (although MLE did start in London). However, it is multicultural.
What started off as an accent black people started to use in around the 90's
(correct me if I'm wrong) is now used by people of all races. The accent is
rapidly replacing regional accents across the UK."
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6. @eoincampbell1584, 2022
"@axelbruv I'm specifically trying to say that it isn't
always exploitative, and sometimes is just natural cultural exchange. But I
also recognize that it can be exploitative when a person takes on elements of
these dialects temporarily for a joke or as a fashion statement while people
who actually speak that dialect every day are discriminated against for it.
Elements of AAVE and MLE are often considered "wrong" grammar and a person speaking in those dialects will be denied opportunities by those who feel that it is a sign they are uneducated or criminal due to stereotypes.
When wealthy white people take on elements of black culture to seem cool without really being educated on it that can feel unnatural and gross, that is when I would call it exploitative appropriation.
At the far end of this is straight up minstrelsy, but
there's a lot of grey area in between. There are a lot of things that aren't
quite exploitative but still come off as gauche like when a white person gets
dreadlocks or when celebrities get extreme tanning to visually seem black. It's
important to listen to various perspectives on a topic as nuanced as this and
acknowledge both that there is a certain amount of natural cultural exchange
and that certain instances are exploitative."
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7. @allaboutthemurzic, 2023
"The way you speak has nothing to do with skin color
Accent isn’t a genetic trait, you learn to speak a certain
way based on what you’re around, different environments and regions have
different dialects
Now certain stereotypes do exist of ethnicities and if
someone is making a caricature or mockery of a certain ethnicity then yes it’s
a problem but people trying to set rules of how you should speak based on color
is bullsh-t*
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.
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8. @NSUVid, 2023
"Agreed, I was hoping for a more nuanced approach to this.
What's ironic is "takes" like these inadvertently make black folks
feel ashamed of our real cultural components like regional accents and AAVE. It
is probably the reason the host of this video dons skillful whiteccent. The
irony."
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9.@eoincampbell1584, 2023
"@The Lifetime Channel It is absolutely real yes, some people
put on a blaccent in a mocking or ignorant way.
But there's also instances where someone picks up AAVE growing up purely because of their neighborhood/school, or instances of potentially non-harmful cultural exchange like when a word like woke comes into popular usage because of its useful meaning and rhetorical power (though since it has also been co-opted by the right in definitely harmful ways).
It's just not clear cut enough that you can 100% of the time say "that person is white so should not be using AAVE" both because of the complexities of language and the complexities of race itself, which is socially constructed and not always immediately identifiable based on appearance alone.
My issue was not the video's overall message, I think for
the most part having people be more conscious of what ways they might be
misappropriating cultures they are not a part of is a good thing. I just wish
the video went more in depth on some of these nuances of the issue."
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10. @eoincampbell1584, 2022
" @ddneq677 I just want to make clear that I'm not saying
I want to see a linguist's take instead of [this video's host Professor] Danielle Bainbridge's or because I
think a linguist would be more qualified or less biased or anything like that.
And I'm definitely not saying "listen to some person in the comments who
claims to be a linguist instead of her".
I think this is a good video and I respect Danielle's own expertise on the topic.
I just think that the topic would be even better covered by having that extra linguistic perspective, or even from sociological & psychological perspectives, from other black academics. I'm not denying that academics can have biases, but to me the main way to check that is to have a variety of academics from different fields involved in this kind of thing. To me that could only strengthen the video and provide more insight into a topic which I feel if often over-simplified in online discourse.
As just one example of that fine line I reference and how there are nuanced
grey areas worth exploring here, take the word woke. It originates from AAVE,
and became popular in part because of how useful a word it is in political
activism. It strikes at the heart of current American politics where to be a
republican you need to be actually ignorant or willfully ignorant about a lot
of the things going on in the world. Maybe some people feel that even the
initial widespread use of the word outside of the black community was an
instance of negative appropriation of vernacular. But I know that there are
black activists who saw the popularization of the word back then as a positive
thing that aligned with the growing BLM movement.
Then cut to now when the American right has co-opted the word to purposefully try and dilute its meaning and use it the same way they've been using the words "left", "liberal", and "socialist" for years to basically just mean "stuff we don't like". That's an obviously negative appropriation that I feel is very different from how it was (and is still) used in liberal and leftist spaces.
Personally from my (non expert) knowledge of history and
language I think that individual words being used outside of their original
context is unavoidable and not always negative. Whereas the purposeful misuse
of words or the use of "blaccent" is where I would see something as
negative appropriation that can and should be stopped. But I'd like to know
your opinion."
-snip-
*"BLM" = Black Lives Matter
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11. @ddneq677, 2022
"@eoincampbell1584 just like blatant racism isn't the only form
of it, blatant cultural theft isn't the only form of it. It seems like you're
arguing that non blatant forms of it are somehow ok and harmless and that's a
questionable stance. Like why even try to defend it in any form. Woke became a
popular thing in the Black community in relation to the Black struggle. It was
a Black thing. Just like w so many other things that are a Black thing, the
rest of y'all just took it and ran w it because it was (stolen) popular/catchy
and because of how entitled non Black ppl are to Black culture w/o even
realizing it. That's the nuance you're not seeing it from. It's so easy to take
from Black culture and call it pop culture to get away w it. You're not Black
so it's not easy for you to see just how deep rooted anti blackness is and how
normalized it is to wear Black culture like a costume and call it an
"exchange" when Black ppl aren't getting anything out of it. I do
believe there are and know of non black ppl who not ONLY grew up in proximity
to Black ppl, but they actively date Black people, have an almost entirely
Black friendship group, their parents are friends with the Black parents, they
frequent Black events, they're involved in the culture, they've witnessed the
Black struggles up close and personal, they've watched how anti blackness has
impacted their close ones that are Black. They're way more nuanced about what's
offensive to do as a non black person. Those non black ppl are the exceptions
not the majority at all. Those are the examples of absorbing culture due to
proximity. Everyone else is just entitled and/or ignorantly taking and it's
very easy as a Black person to notice the difference. Think about why Black
people gatekeeping our own culture makes so many non black ppl feel like
they're losing something or being denied something their entitled to. Instead
of thinking about when/how it's okay to take Black culture, question instead
why so much of Black culture makes it into popular culture more than culture
from any other race. Think about the parasitic nature society has on
minorities. We don't even get to tell yall to stop stealing from us w/o
backlash."
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12. @eoincampbell1584
"@ddneq677 I can understand your perspective, and I have
absolutely seen what you've described where any amount of reasonable
gatekeeping of culture is met with a complete lack of understanding from white
people. Though I'm not from the US so I don't see the exact same thing that the
US seems to have where black culture is put down while simultaneously being
central to what is popular.
I find it difficult though to think that any instance of someone using a word that originates from AAVE is an act of theft. That's not how we treat any other dialect in the world, and while AAVE definitely has a unique history from other dialects I'm not sure that changes the fact that some amount of "exchange" (you're right that it's not quite the right word, I'm using it for lack of a better one) is unavoidable.
If everyone outside of the US black community truly didn't
use any word originating from AAVE then how would that actually work? When we
need to refer to a word that we know we shouldn't use we would usually shorten
it to just the letter like with "f-word". But I think it'd be
impractical to have to develop a system of euphemisms for the entire dialect,
not to mention it'd be treating the dialect with I feel an undue amount of
taboo. Is there any context where you would feel it would be reasonable to
freely use words, such as an academic one?"
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"@eoincampbell1584 "I find it difficult though to think
that any instance of someone using a word that originates from aave is an act
of theft." Yeah that's the problem. Y'all don't wanna see it as theft even
though it is. Understand appreciating a culture vs appropriating it.
"I'm not sure that changes the fact that some amount of
'exchange' (you're right that it's not quite the right word, I'm using it for
lack of a better one)" Theft. Theft is the better term because it's
accurate. And you're right, it is unavoidable. That just shows how bad the
problem is.
"If everyone outside of the US black community truly
didn't use any word originating from aave then how would that actually
work?" Are you telling me you have no culture of your own? Are you telling
me there's no possible way you can speak without using aave? That you cant make
up your own slang? That you're unable to be original? That you cannot picture a
way of expressing yourself without grabbing something that doesn't belong to
you? That you have no identity of your own? Because that's what that sounds like.
Just like I can express myself without stealing from Asian culture, y'all can
do the same with Black culture."
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14. @allaboutthemurzic, 2022
"The way you speak has nothing to do with skin color
Accent isn’t a genetic trait, you learn to speak a certain
way based on what you’re around, different environments and regions have
different dialects
Now certain stereotypes do exist of ethnicities and if
someone is making a caricature or mockery of a certain ethnicity then yes it’s
a problem but people trying to set rules of how you should speak based on color
is bullsh-t*"
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.
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15. @Du-Masses, 2022
"This reminds me of the awesome James Baldwin article “if
Black English isn’t a language, then tell me what is?” He explained the development
and spread of African American English through the analysis of French
throughout their colonies…absolutely fascinating and should be taught in
schools (of course some thick heads would call it critical race theory and
through a childish tantrum but we need to proceed anyway)"
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16. @TheJollyJokerDancer, 2022
"Technically, that would be a dialect, though."
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17. @johnconnor210, 2022
"Forgot to mention hip hop. Hip Hop has had a big
cultural impact on young Americans for the last 30+ yrs or so. That's why we
see alot more people of this generation speaking in a tone more associated with
how some black people speak. To certain extent it can be considerd a complement
as to say the greatest form of flattery is imitation. But at the same time some
people take it too far which makes them disingenuous. I believe the coolest
thing anybody can do is be yourself. Don't try and be something you're not."
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18. @vmvm949, 2022
"old news Black americans define youth culture ww* and whats
cool
but the thing is non black people gets praised for that, and
black people are just seen as ratchet if they do the same"
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*"WW"=world wide
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19. @dee78xx90, 2022
"And nearly every recent movie has at least one black
character that speaks in an exaggerated blaccent and the producers and writers
do that on purpose saying it's to reduce racism but it's actually racist to
create characters with that black stereotype. If they really wanted to reduce
racism they should've made it more natural. They do the same with Asian actors
too giving them only stereotypical roles."
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20. @graceross4888, 2022
"This was a great video. As someone who is not American nor a
native english speaker there is a lot of background for the words and accents
the internet uses. But I have a question, why does english seems to only use
blaccent as the internet 'slang'? In all languages we have internet slang, and
it seems to follow the same rules, shortening sentences, comedic timing and
so... I would love to know if this is a coincidence or how it does connect to
an international scale".
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21. @drilonkennedy-gorne2049, 2022
"I really appreciate you mentioning AAVE and its effects
on internet lingo. I've been saying this for the better part of two years now:
AAVE and Queer slang have both been instrumental in shaping how we speak
online, yet both groups from which the respective speech patterns originate
from are bashed, while those in more privileged positions are celebrated for
stealing those same patterns. It would be interesting to do a full academic article
on how this has happened and why, but I think a good starting point is to
acknowledge the power imbalance and the double standard."
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22. @Sophie_Pea, 2022
"Yeah, every time I think of it it reminds me of that sh-t* they tried to pull in airplane and how they had that white woman “translate”
blaccent (or “jive” as they called it). That was so messed up"
-snip-
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-snip-
Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXSLcYQHqFQ for the movie clip entitled "Airplane! - Jive Scene with Translatio", published by Osama A, May 28, 2012
"Two guys on the plane speaking in Jive with translation. A
funny scene from the 1980's movie Airplane! starring Leslie Nielsen." [video summary]
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23. @user-ir1lu1ei4n, 2022
"No such thing as talking white"
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24. @chichichichichichiOwO, 2022
"@user-ir1lu1ei4n good, because there's no such thing as
talking black. It's racist to even think that "All black people sound the
same!" "
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25. @adreonnaharris7867, 2022
"@user-ir1lu1ei4n when did I say it was???"
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26.@YouAREyoubeYou, 2022
"AAVE is actually a DIALECT. With grammatical consistencies.
It’s not just words like queen, slay, fo real, be, cappin’, ain’t, and the
like."
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27. @winxclubstellamusa, 2022
"Slang is one thing and faking a blaccent is something else.
The latter is wrong and fake, the former is humorous."
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28. @melindasaddler559,2022
..."Black English is based on stereotypes,
in my opinion. All black people dont use it. Ebonics was developed in the 80s
in schools in order to help black students "compete" because a lot
were not doing well in English classes. As a black person, find it to
offensive. Because my elders taught me in order to compete should not use
slang. But that is just me."
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29. @fredmoltisanti114, 2022
"@melindasaddler559 Black English doesnt exist.
Its Vernacular American.
WtF is black english?"
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30. @melindasaddler559,2022
"@fredmoltisanti114 Ebonics, African American Vernacular English,
Black English, Whatever people want to call it. It is insulting. People get
offended when they see people using it because it is not flattering. So, to
label that a cultural language is is offensive in my eyes. Some people use it
and that is their choice."
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31. @melindasaddler559, 2022
"@fredmoltisanti114 I'm not bashing subcultures I'm just stating
that every black person is not alike. Therefore every black person does not
adopt that subculture. We have different personalities wear different styles of
clothes. But, what is represented in the media is a certain type of black
person that the world sees and is inspired by. So, I'm not European but the
stereotype of all Italians riding Vespas or all French people wearing Berets
may not be true but that is represented to me. So I hope you went understand my
offense because black people are not a monolith. That is a white supremacist
viewpoint..."
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32. @iloveeatingshat, 2022
"I think the reason Blaccent is so
popular is because black artists such as Doja Cat, Nicki, etc are so popular
for all races. It’s kinda just in our
mind because black slang is in the music we hear and we listen to."
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33. @waggabutt4655, 2022
"This is America and America has always
entertained itself with everything cool. From the blues to Miles to Rock to
hiphop and all things black, everyone mimics us. And everyone knows it."
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34. @jadonhung, 2022
"finally someone brings this up, i always
see ppl talking this way everyday esp teens adopt this accent out of fitting in"
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35. @KazukiP, 2022
"I found this really interesting. I think
one thing I would’ve loved to see you go more in depth with is when does
culture appropriation just become cultural-fusion and how do we ensure that our
ever evolving language(s) and things like you mentioned such as Internet
culture can pick up terms, jokes and sayings from cultures/languages in a way
that brings people together and embraces and integrates one another’s cultures
into mainstream and daily life rather than misuse, mock and objectify.
For example, there seem to be many white people in the comments saying that as they grew up around mostly black people, they naturally have a “blaccent” and it’s not something that can be helped. I think the same could technically be said for internet culture and the rising popularity of AAVE. If your friend constantly says a word, there’s a strong chance you’ll start using that word or phrase and it might come to you naturally.
Again, really interesting video, would’ve loved if it was longer though."
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36.@LadyAstarionAncunin, 2022
"Cultural appropriation is done with
intention without true understanding or value of a culture. A fusion is moreso
an Asian person who grows up in the hood with all black friends and ends up
using AAVE."
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37. @KazukiP, 2022
"@LadyAstarionAncunin Precisely, however I think the big debate
comes from what some people consider appropriation, I think you could say it
can be unintentional but can also be with ignorance, then you have to consider
in what ways someone is or isn’t being ignorant about it and that’s where
things get a bit complicated I think."
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38. @adreonnaharris7867, 2022
"@LadyAstarionAncunin why do yall always have to mention growing up
in the hood when mentioning black ppl that part wasn't needed and cultural
appropriation doesn't aways have to be done with the intent on doing so"
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39. @kittea0203,2022
"this is what ive been thinking too, i
mean we cant ignore that language and dialect isnt just existing irl - it's
also existing online. people will naturally adapt to their environments and so
it is very understandable that when AAVE is misused by non black people, it
might be the only thing they are used to when having an online presence, an
adaptation to their environment. of course this video has a lot of validity in
what it's saying but i feel as if i have lots of questions that i wish were
answered. also im not black in the slightest and so i hope this doesn't seem
like im trying to speak over black people with my, well, not opinion but,
theory, it's just a little thing im unsure of and wish was taken into
consideration in this video so i can understand better."
-snip-
"irl" = in real life
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40. @9BeetleBones6, 2022
"This is an interesting video, but I
wanted to add a slightly alternative perspective. I work in public schools in
an urban/suburban transition area and am in my early 20s.
You see a lot of non-black kids speaking in so-called „blaccent,“ especially (but not exclusively) with peers. This is the accent of the musicians, cultural leaders, and heroes they identify with.
I myself grew up in almost exclusively
black and Hispanic boxing gyms as the only white person and it definitely
changed the way I speak. When does Adoption and appropriation just become the
dominant culture?"
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41. @g.3521, 2022
"At what point does it go from being a
blaccent to just an early 2000 era accent if everyone starts to incorporate
normally over time without realizing it? People who try to incorporate it
without it being natural are annoying, but if we tried to prevent the
incorporation of regional mannerisms into language, English wouldn't even exist"
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42. @matthewjanney2399, 2022
"I feel like class should be brought in
here....cause there's , I'd say, a difference I've noticed between middle class
and up white influencer kids using the kinda language
and people who kinda just grew up in poorer neighborhoods which were mixed and
grew up with a lot of black people/culture around and in their life"
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43. @oqeufh, 2022
"As someone that grew up with English as
a second language and has an English accent that is all over the place you do
need to keep in mind that your surroundings influence a
lot the way you speak and most people don't even realise it. I find myself
saying words in all sorts of different accents because my English teachers were
from all over the UK, US and even Australia. But I feel like for me my most
prominent accent is probably the US one because I do consume a lot of US media.
I feel like it is only natural that you will end up picking up the accent you
hear the most and if you're a fan of Hip Hop, for example, or has lived in
circumstances where you were surrounded by a lot of African American pop
culture or neighbourhoods or whatever, you can't expect them not to pick up
something here and there."
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44. @ruan13o, 2022
"This topic needs hours of discourse to
explain the nuances so this is not addressed in the video. But the examples
highlighted are not the same as your life example. People
don't have an issue with you gaining an accent because you were surrounded by a
culture/accent. They have an issue when it appears put on in order to gain
commercial success or fame. That's when it doesn't appear genuine."
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45. @arsjae5115, 2022
"99% percent of slang now comes from
black communities and while it’s fun to use, I think being respectful of its
origins is important"
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46. @christinajohnson1730, 2022
"It’s important to be mindful as to why
people Might be “picking up” those accents. It’s different if the person has
grown up around it and therefore has assimilated into the culture. It’s another
thing if the person hasn’t and just does it when they are around their black
friends or associates to seem cooler or
more “urban” if you will to be accepted, then when they’re back in white
society they flip back. Get what I mean? just be yourself. You don’t need to
“act hood” around black people esp when that’s not what we are. So yes it
definitely can be offensive.I am black myself and I can see right through that
bs. 💀 it’s like reverse “code switching”."
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47. @houseofbl1914, 2022
"I can I my speak for myself, but personally a lot of
my use of AAVE does come from the internet, memes and black
celebrities/creators. I don’t use it to mock anyone or to be funny, but the way
I speak has been shaped by the things I was and still am exposed to on the
internet.
Using a few phrases because you saw them on the
internet or because you follow black creators who speak that way it’s ok, but
full out mocking AAVE and using it to be funny is not, in the case of
AAVE intention matters."
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48. @joonzville, 2022
"YES! THIS!! I don’t think the issue is the use of
elements of American Black culture, at least not in the last few decades, It’s
that BlackAmericans don’t get credit for how much they’ve influenced American
and world culture but they often get disrespected for expressing their own
culture while us EuroAmericans (and others) get "street cred" for
using it! I grew up in the 50s-60s, so lived through the movements that finally
gave some acknowledgement of the positive effect and contributions of black
culture to American culture. Not nearly enough, but society has progressed on
this issue since blacks had to have segregated radio stations. We still have a
ways to go, though. (one of the most cringe-worthy things I remember from my
early years was Pat Boone’s cover of Little Richard’s song "Tutti
Frutti" [shudder] because it was "verbotten" for us Euro-white
kids to listen to Black music!)"
49.
"I find that lots of slang words that originated from
blaccent has now become ingrained in gen z slang"
50.
"Ive noticed a lot of people on twitter using slang like aint
or something like that. Im not american so this could just be an american
thing, but every quirky relatable viral tweet has that type of talking"
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51. @okie3924,2022
"All of the suddene everyone on TikTok sounds like they're
from the deep south lol. I know what you're saying"
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52. @lauraaraujo157, 2022
"Amazing video! Honestly, for me sometimes is quite
difficult to see the difference between black accent and internet slangs
because english is not my first language; I learned it mostly on the internet, watching movies, tv
shows and even youtube channels in english, so this misuse of the aave on the
media made me adopt this kind of accent. Now I’m very worried about my
english, but I’ll try to pay more attention in the words I use."
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53.@Markynava777, 2022
"I've always said that black culture (the music, the way of
speaking and acting) is thought of as cool by the youth. Pop culture is very
heavily influenced by black culture. A lot of youth, no matter the race, try to
emulate black culture, because they think it's cool. I used to work at schools,
and I would say, most of the kids listened to rap, and used alot of words
created by black culture. They would often call each other the n word as a term
of endearment. They would use it in place of the word friend or buddy or even
person. Very interesting to see how much black culture influences pop and youth
culture."
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54.@jacksavard8192, 2022
"As a caucasian 17 year old yes we think black culture and
black people are cool af"
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55.@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE, 2022
"As long as you aren't putting down black ppl for doing it.
It's cool. No n words tho, that's foul."
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56. @laabitres, 2022
"Man its interesting how a black person can do something and
it can be deemed as not "important" but a white person does the same
thing with a blaccent and it goes viral........Im glad you guys are talking
about this and im happy this show is back."
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57. @lalalakia, 2022
"I know this much...my culture, my community, my people
are NOT internet culture or some cool jacket you can put on or take off. Love
how white people clamor to use AAVE but can't be found to be actively
anti-black and dismantle racism. I hope y'all keep this "I wanna talk how
I talk/it's just who I hang out with" energy when you get those
Fortune 500 gigs in middle age, not just in your current youth. Let me know how
that works out."
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58. @katrinaolsen2444, 2022
"According to Professor Thomas Sowell (He’s a professor at
Stanford and has been a professor at other prestigious universities. He’s 90
years old, from Harlem, and he’s Black) the “Blaccent” was how poor Whites
talked in the South. The “I be, you be , he be,” was originally how the poor
White people in the west of England spoke. These people were the Whites who
came to the Appalachians. And other parts of the South. Into the 1990s you
could apparently hear commercials in that part of England, where that was used.
Dr. Thomas Sowell contends that because people from different tribes, with
different languages were all mixed together; the people who were enslaved
completely lost their own culture. And they adopted the culture of poor Whites.
Having charismatic and at times boisterous religious services was originally
part of poor White culture. He also said that during the Northern migration of
Black people to Chicago etc, White owned businesses preferred to hire Black
people as opposed to poor Whites who migrated from the South. Because poor
Whites were considered the absolute worst."
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59. @dannyspelman1468, 2022
"Before the age of heavy Internet use, 20 - 25 years ago,
it used to irritate the absolute F*** out of me that all of my younger brothers
wanted to be black. We grew up in Ireland FFS! We're whiter than white! Never
got oppressed by police or anything but all of a sudden, it was "F*** the
police, y'all!" It was pathetic! Nothing against black people but that
just wasn't us. It was so poser-ish! It happened all over the suburbs. OF
IRELAND!
The whole hip hop / rap / R 'n' B thing became really
popular around then but I never really took to that sound. I always just liked
heavy rock but three of my younger brothers started to speak like this and use
all of the mannerisms. Also, they started smoking weed and acting all Snoop
Doggy Dre-ish. It wasn't only them but I think this thing started from their
age group upwards. I knew other people that acted that way also. It tended to
generally affect people who liked smoking weed. Look at post 1994 Jay and
Silent Bob for an example of the behaviour. The song Pretty Fly For a White Guy
also comes to mind as Offspring were also aware of these types."
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60. @The_A.S.T.R._Ark, 2022
"I’m personally fine with people using aave but anyone who
decides to rebrand it as “internet lingo” or “gen z speak” deserves to have a
gallon of dust stuck in their eye.
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61. @ryanfitzalan8634, 2022
"The penultimate linguistic question on this topic has
always been: where does "Cultural Appropriation" end, and " Cultural Diffusion"
begin?."
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62. @thrif-teaannie7128, 2022
"I grew up in a predominately black neighborhood and I
spoke with a blaccent as a kid, I remember one day a teacher telling me and a
fellow student to stop talking like we are black that it made us look stupid.
It really hurt my feelings because I didn't understand what was wrong with how
we where speaking. Although this teachers view on talking with a blaccent was
from a negative stand point not a cultural appropriate stand point.I thought I
just had a southern accent I didn't know it was a blaccent."
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63. @tedb5792, 2022
"No cap I honestly grew up thinking that all of this was
because black people are inherently cool and white people are jealous. I still
think this. So what is the difference between emulation which is meant out
admiration and what she is talking about?"
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"No cap" = "No lie"
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64. @7919AEM, 2022
"Okay, so I have too many contradicting points of view here.
While I understand the history blackface, I do believe that African-Americans
should learn to differentiate non-blacks wanting to appropriate black culture
from people being influenced by black culture in a MULTICULTURAL country such
as the United States. I am a huge defender if Chuck Berry as the real King of
Rock and Roll, but to say that Elvis was appropriating black culture is
absolutely absurd. There is a thin line between the Southern country accent of
whites and blacks…….non-blacks with a Country accent often sound just like
black people sometimes. I also think that literally demanding for non-blacks to
stop singing hiphop because they sound black is borderline racist. How would a
hiphop song sound with a white guy sounding accent like Canadian Justin Bieber?
Also, I for sure do not believe that non-black actors/comedians should
capitalize from using a black accent…….but then again folks…..it is called
comedy! And not to boost the egos of Afroncentrics, but yes, Hiphop and it’s
derivative Reggaetón reign supreme in the world and you have no right to demand
non-blacks to not listen to it or love it. We need to learn the difference
between cultural appropriation and cultural appropriation. And by the way, let
me give y’all a great example of cultural appropriation; cultural appropriation
is the radical ideology of countless idiots with huge platforms that reach
millions of African Americans telling them that Black people are the “real”
Native Americans and the great Native American nation of the Olmecs who
inhabited southern Mexico were really black. Now that’s a load bullsch-t* and a
perfect example of Cultural Appropriation."
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65. @internet_is_trash9587, 2022
"As someone from the south, I'd say a lot of 'blaccent' is
actually 'southern.' As far as terms go, the youth lives off of social media,
so I wonder how much of these terms are popular because in originated in the
black culture or the social media black
culture that then is appropriated by the main stream, thus making it mainstream
culture, and no longer appropriation. It's only appropriation if only the
original culture has cultivated it throughout generations. Internet language is
fad language."
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66. @r4vnclaw, 2022
"i think that people have to understand
the difference between a someone who grew up around people who spoke standard
american english with a standard american dialect who use aave to sound cool
and trendy (which makes me uncomfortable/ makes me cringe) and someone who grew
up in an area where aave is the common way to speak because for those
individuals it’s simply how they talk and how they’ve always spoken which in my
opinion is understandable. i grew up around both forms of speech so i sound
like a mixture of both it just depends on the person, who they are around and
where they’re from."
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67. f4iryth964, 2022
"@GZQ9 i think when we say people are using a accent
or are trying too hard, its not just some random person using aave. its the way some people use it. theres people that grow up in suburban
neighborhoods that arent surrounded by people that speak aave, ans therefore
never grew up using it and we can TELL. we can tell when someones forcing it
and when someones just speaking how they usually do. aave has actual grammar
and actual “rules” theres things you say and dont say that make sense. so when
someone is talking with an accent and theyre making zero sense, and say sh-t*
like “gonna finna” and “that speech was bussin” were gonna know someones just
trying to use aave for show, and thinking its just cool slang. its
disrespectful. ESPECIALLY when they use aave and claim its “just how they talk”
but when theyre in a professional setting or in a dangerous situation all of a
sudden they wanna speak “proper”. the people that just look at someone non
black and assume theyre faking it are dense and ridiculous."
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68. @chichichichichichiOwO, 2022
"@r4vnclaw I'm talking about blaccent. I'm agreeing with
you and saying that blaccent completely disregards the fact that people sound
different depending on where they life. It's also quite racist to say all black
people sound a like and especially what they are saying is the
"blaccent"."
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69. @chichichichichichiOwO, 2022
"@entityofthestars this accent is NOT race base at ALL. Its
racist to say this too"
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70. @entityofthestars, 2022
"@chichichichichichiOwO
a BLACCENT is a "BLACK ACCENT".
how you finna sit here n tell me about my OWN sh-t*?? THEN
call me racist?? 😐"
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71. @entityofthestars, 2022
"@chichichichichichiOwO
BLACK ACCENT or BLACCENT is literally what this video is
about.
also no, it's not racist to say my OWN race, has a specific
way of speakin or pronouncing things. AAVE is a literal example of this because
they are words n phrases MADE BY US, with some, if not all of it, HAVING
SPECIFIC PRONUNCIATIONS."
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72. @chichichichichichiOwO
"@entityofthestars I remember a time when people would get upset
when people said "this entire group of people sound like this". those
were good times, it's when we actually knew what racism was. yet nowadays
people are going so far left they circled back to the right and are now
unknowingly bigots. It also used to be a time when people knew that not only
can any race be racist but that you can be racist to your own race, after all,
there was even a black guy that was in the kkk. Because of this bullsh-t*, my
entire state is now not only still being made fun of by Hollywood but now we
are told we are trying to "speak black" or "yall are racists for
sounding black". The blacks where I live speak vastly different than you
I'm 100% sure and I know for a fact that this whole "sounding black"
has caused even more racism to grow especially towards my friends who are
supposed "not speaking black enough". There is a difference between
hood talk and attributing an accent to an entire race despite all of them
living in different cultures which is what yall are doing and it's f—king*
racist as hell. Hood talk is hood talk, it's not black talk, it's how people
who live in the hood talk like. and you know who can live in the hood?
LITERALLY ANYONE."
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*These words are fully spelled out in this comment.
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73. @entityofthestars, 2022
"@chichichichichichiOwO
i'm not saying you can't be racist to your own race nor am i
denyin that you can?
ALSO, i acknowledged the fact that anyone can have a
blaccent n use aave because of where they grew up. my og comment was sayin that
you can TELL WHEN PEOPLE FORCE IT N WHEN THEY DON'T. 😐"
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74.@entityofthestars, 2022
" @chichichichichichiOwO
i'm not gonna sit here and explain to
you my own culture and how aave isn't just "hood talk". you called me
racist for a literal fact, that we have specific ways of speakin. and i'm f—king*
aware that NOT ALL OF US TALK LIKE THAT, but yk** who INVENTED most of the
"slang" used in "hood talk"? BLACK PEOPLE. THIS GOES BACK
YEARS.
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.
**“yk” = you know
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75. @entityofthestars, 2022
"@chichichichichichiOwO
back to me apparently bein racist to my
own race. if you were to ask many of us, A LOT of us would definitely say that
we have specific speech patterns and dialects. this also isn't a generalization
as it's literally factual. you know who populates most hoods? BLACK PEOPLE,
THAT IS STATISTICALLY TRUE.
the hood is an example of cultures mixin
no matter the race, but it's important to note where a lot of it comes from,
which would be black folk."
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76. @xiayu6098, 2022
"@chichichichichichiOwO no one said all black people sound like that
but in America the accent started with black people and u will mostly hear it
in prodminantly black areas that’s the correlation sure their may be white
people or other races who will also live in the area and pick it but it started
with black people you will see most black people speak in that way"
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77. @xiayu6098, 2022
"@chichichichichichiOwO it’s not racist to acknowledge who it started
with just like Asian sometimes have similar accents when they go from speaking
their language to English black people will have that but it’s more like
speaking Australian English in America cause many black countries speak English
they just do it differently yet when people think of countries that speak
English it’s only ever Australia Britain and America there is slang we made or
brought from our own countries that ends up being used and that’s what makes up
the black it’s racist to act like it didn’t start somewhere and popularize it
while also belittling anyone who speaks that way."
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78. @xiayu6098, 2022
"@chichichichichichiOwO but uk* who prodominantly lives in the hood
BLACK PEOPLE the only reason it’s harming anyone is because people have
popularized it and made it seem like some cool feature to have when it’s just a
simple accent it’s still a black accent u can’t take that way as that’s where
it started from if u aren’t black yourself u shouldn’t even be speaking on all
of that I’m black too and I don’t have a strong blaccent but I’ve heard so many
black ppl around me speak that way you have to understand these accents aren’t
even simply American but a lot of the lingo also comes from being from black
countries and speaking the English from those countries"
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*“uk”= you know
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79. @Hakajin, 2022
"For me it's a little complicated,
because... My mom's side of the family speaks with what many would call a
"country" accent, and... I don't have as much of it now, but I used
to have it, and still use it sometimes. At least some of that accent does
derive from AAVE, or at least has elements in common with it. For example, the
phrase, "Looks like it's done finished raining." "Done
finished" expresses not only tense but mood in how it expresses not merely
that the action was in the past, but the finality of it (actually, it reminds
me of a Japanese construction that serves the same function, in which case it's
standard: -shimau/-chau). As for "ain't," if it was good enough for
Shakespeare it's good enough for me. It's not much of a jump from there to
like, using "stay" as a habitual verb. Of course, I don't know if
you'd truly call that "Blaccent," but... It seems to me that to avoid
using such constructions is to dismiss them as "incorrect" or
otherwise not worth speaking; on the contrary, I think they're wonderful and
that they communicate something that "standard" English does not. If
I tend to speak country in contexts where I'm trying to use humor or sound more
relatable... I mean, there's a lot going on there: a rejection of the
"correct way of speaking" does express some class solidarity, I
think, because both AAVE and country are denigrated by those in power. To speak
that way is to mark myself as working class and to reject the values of those
who privilege standardized language. Although that's not the only context I use
it in: I also use it in more academic contexts to express the fact that it is
not wrong or uneducated, simply a different way of speaking. I'm VERY in favor
of using my own voice in academic writing rather than "academic speak,"
and... While I get that imitation is mockery, and while I DO think we should
talk about the origins of these ways of speaking and how they function...
Somehow it just doesn't seem right to me that the solution should be not to use
them at all."
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80. @ThatGuyDownInThe, 2022
"bro exactly the same, I'm half white
half mexican and can play both roles, spent most time around the black homies
back in the day. It's cool to have seen both sides, both sides could use
improving lololol"
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81. @mackjay8072, 2023
"@Dennis-nc3vw I hear you but I don't think its true peoples
pick up how they speak from their parentsor peers. People put on and take off
styles of talking depending on the situation their in. People put on blaccents
in order to look cool in a situation or to some people."
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82. @paralyzedCELLS, 2023
"I grew up in nyc. I just thought it was normal all my life
until my young adult hood when we moved to the Midwest where I had to adapt a
more proper English. 😅
Now with the social media I think it’s funny that youth uses
New York lingo without any knowledge of where it came from in these small
Midwest towns/cities for example deadass or got me mad tight. 😂
it’s hilarious to hear."
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83. @myleslong5584, 2023
"Move to the Southern United States and I will almost
GUARANTEE that you will be saying
“y’all” within your first year there. When in Rome…"
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84. @SteveSilverActor, 2023
"As a white actor, I played a character from Mississippi in a
period piece, and I found that the white MS dialect was very similar to AAVE.
The Black actors I worked with confirmed that they shared a lot of
similarities, but were still distinct. AAVE itself is also not universal and is
quite different depending on the region in which it is spoken."
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85. @filippofittipaldi8050, 2023
"To a large degree, I believe blaccent
and cultural appropriation are a natural evolution of mainstream culture.
Virtually everyone likes tacos, Lasangna, animie, and Motown. Saying
"cool" to express a positive feeling, and describing someone as a
"bad ass" let's everyone know this person
is extremely adapt at a skill. What I don't find positive is ascribing
someone's accent (AAE, southern, pidgin, etc...) as a sign of lesser
intelligence. Equally disturbing is someone who has a mainstream accent being
assumed to be more intelligent than he or she is. I'm more interested in the
person's real intelligence and intent than something superficial like accent."
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86. @DMMA0726, 2023
"It's quite fascinating being young but
having seen decades go by in which your culture has been appropriated on so
many fronts: music, communication, fashion, even body types and features (I
can't find a freaking lip gloss without plumping crap in it anymore). Which I'd
celebrate as cultural exchange except it exists in a vacuum. People sing songs,
but then still refuse to engage with or date people outside their race. They
speak in AAVE, but don't acknowledge black history. They get butt implants but
shame people suffering from inequality. Those are the issues, it's more than simply "white people using
AAVE =- bad" "
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87. @ayanasumner7489, 2023
"That was pretty interesting, but I have to say, it was
kind of strange for me to listen to a black woman w/o a “blaccent” speak about
how non-black people with one are engaging in problematic behavior. I found it
confusing. I am black and I speak like her, so I don’t feel like I have
ownership over the blaccent, per se. Do I code switch with it for humor or
context, I do. But I feel like our whole generation does (I’m in her
generation), and the one under us definitely does.
Black girls who speak like we do are told we “sound white,” and I find that offensive because I think it implies I should have a blaccent, and I don’t “sound how I should.” Being that I find that offensive, I make sure I never do that to someone else. I don’t think she should be saying how other people should sound when they speak…does that make sense?
Because if a white woman made this same video about her
(and me), I would feel like THAT is suuuuuper problematic.
We all speak like Americans, I think.🤷🏾♀️ Awkwafina is American. She speaks like an American millennial. Right?
Maybe the contexts for the time periods are different, so I guess I’m just using the context of today.
Thoughts?"
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Here's a question about the use of African American Vernacular English by people who aren't Black
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@procrastination2204, 2021
"Is it appropriate to use AAVE as a white person? And how does it differ when you don't know that something is AAVE? I'm a white guy, but I live in the South, and most of my coworkers and also a lot of my closer friends are young black people. As a result, when I hear the people around me using slang I haven't heard before, it's difficult to tell whether it is internet slang, AAVE, or slang they came up with themselves. But naturally as humans we like to copy the people around us's speaking styles. I just always feel a little weird picking up speaking styles from my black friends bc I don't know if something would be taken as offensive coming from me.
(obligatory note that I'm not talking about obvious things like the n word but just about the types of expressions she was giving in the video that are big social media trendy phrases that originated from AAVE)"
I agree with this response to that question:
@SnrKagemusha, 2022
"Like another commenter said, it's all on how natural you sound with it. One of my best friends of almost 20 years is a huge white guy, but he grew up living in the same area I did, and so parts of how he speaks is AAVE. It sounds super natural coming from him, like it's not put on for fun or just to say a cool thing, the usage and inflections and tone is all correct, and he'll hit you with some ooold slang that you really only know if you were speaking like that pre-social media.
As for what words to use and not, that's tough. If you see or hear some word you want to use, treat it like any other word and ask what it means/look it up. Ask the person that used it, Google, or Urban Dictionary. I would say stay away from slang or trends that stems from recent gang culture (some are in the wider pop culture already, like the term OG, so those I guess are on the table, if a bit cringey). Personally, I stay away from slang that was super insider stuff in various queer communities (I'm part of it, but wasn't in the clubs or have a huge circle of friends to pick up on the slang from, so I don't).
But yeah, in general if it sounds natural and correct, we don't trip. If it sounds inauthentic but otherwise correct, it's awkward. If it's inauthentic and incorrect, I personally take it like mockery and would pull up aside and have a word."