How The Newly Created "Kick 'Em Out The Classroom" Game Reminds Me Of "Playing The Dozens", "Battle Rapping", And Some Black Children's Rhymes Such As "Yo Mama Don't Wear No Drawers"

ReliqueYeh, August 15, 2012

Let It Shine (2012) - Moment of Truth (Movie Version)  (HD) 

Disney channel !!

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part III of a three part pancocojams series about the rhyming game "Kick 'em Out The Classroom" (also known as "In The Classroom").

This post presents an example of the game "Kick 'em out of the classroom" that made up by commenters in a YouTube discussion thread about that game.

This post also presents showcases several Black performance arts/recreational activities that I believe significantly influenced the creation and the performances of the "Kick 'em out the classroom" freestyle rhyming game.

All of the performance arts and/or recreational activities that are mentioned in this post place a high value group participation, creative composition, fast thinking, and staying on beat. Sometimes these performance arts/recreational activities also place a high value on rhyming. In addition, many of these performing arts/recreational activities place a high value on insulting (dissing/roasting) another person who is participating in game, or other people present or not present during the game.

The Addendum to this post presents some comments from the discussion thread of the YouTuube video that is embedded in this post.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/03/wild-n-out-hip-hop-television-series.html for Part I of this three part series. That post presents information about the American television series Wild 'N Out and the "Kick em out of the classroom" game are included in this post along with a transcript of that first performance of that game (in October 2014). That transcript is based on the captions for the YouTube video of that first performance. That skit performance occurred in in 2014 on the television series Wild 'N Out.  

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/03/selected-comments-from-discussion.html  for Part II of this pancocojams series. That post showcases the same video as Part I. That post also includes some comments from the discussion for that video and some comments from the discussion thread of another video of a 2014 "Kick 'em out the classroom game".

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, entertainment. and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who were associated with Disney's 2012 "Let It Shine" freestyle Rap battle movie.

Thanks to all of those who are associated with Wild 'N Out's game "Kick em out of the classroom".
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Thanks to all of those who were associated with the 2012 movie that is showcased in this post and thanks to all of those who contributed to the Black cultural arts that are discussed in this post. Thanks also to all  those who are quoted in this post. 

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AN EXAMPLE OF "KICK 'EM OUT THE CLASSROOM" THAT YOUTUBE COMMENTERS MADE UP
From From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDoL77N8Oqs Every Single Kick ‘Em Out The Classroom (Season 14) 👟 Wild 'N Out

Wild 'N Out, May 19, 2020  #WildNOut #MTV #AloneTogether

2020

T'challa Ware
"Wild'n out  be lit in the classroom"

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7. david frempong
"i dont really wanna sit in the classroom"

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8. n2smoove
"it’s the only game that still hit in the classroom"

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9. david frempong
"DJ-D-Wreck needs to quit in the classrom"

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10. T'challa Ware
"I'm be so legit in the classroom  @BigJoe707"

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11. T'challa Ware
"I'm  bringing the Heat in the classroom  @Yeimy Rodriguez"

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12. Starzella
"@T'challa Ware  I be eating some meat in the classroom"

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13. T'challa Ware
"Throw it out like  yeet in the classroom  @Starzella"

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14. Yeimy Rodriguez
"@T'challa Ware  hitman got big teeth in the classroom"

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15. T'challa Ware
"I be underneath in the classroom  @Yeimy Rodriguez"

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16. 9rimace
"Let’s start our own “In the Classroom”:

When the homework due in the classroom?

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17. Frederick Williams
"Friday at 2 in the classroom"

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18. Tenia
"Frederick Williams might tie my shoe in the classroom"

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19. toniton seconde
"I'm sipping on a smoothie in the classroom"

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20. mynamegoeshere
"@toniton seconde  kick u out the classroom!!!!!!"
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Toniton seconde was kicked out of the classroom because that commenter wrote the word "smoothie" ,and that word doesn't rhyme with "due", "2", and "shoe". 

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THE INFLUENCE OF "PLAYING THE DOZENS" ON THE GAME "KICK EM OUT THE CLASSROOM

Excerpt #1
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dozens_(game)
"The Dozens is a game played between two contestants in which the participants insult each other until one of them gives up. Common in African-American communities, the Dozens is almost exclusively played in front of an audience, who encourage the participants to reply with increasingly severe insults in order to heighten the tension and consequently make the contest more interesting to watch.

Comments in the game may focus on the opposite player's intelligence, appearance, competency, social status, and financial situation. Disparaging remarks about the other player's family members are common, especially regarding their mother.[1] Commentary is often related to sexual issues, and this version of the game is referred to as the "Dirty Dozens".[2]

According to sociologist Harry Lefever and journalist John Leland, the game is played almost entirely by African-Americans; other ethnic groups often fail to understand how to play the game and can take remarks in the Dozens seriously.[note 1] Its popularity is higher among low-income and urban communities, but it is also found in middle-class and rural settings. Both men and women participate, but the game is more commonly played among men.[3]

Origins

The first academic treatment of the Dozens was made in 1939 by Yale-based psychologist and social theorist John Dollard, who described the importance of the game among African-American men, and how it is generally played. Dollard's description is considered pioneering and accurate.[4]

The Dozens is a "pattern of interactive insult" evident among all classes of African Americans, among men and women, children and adults.[5]

Usually two participants engage in banter, but always in front of others, who incite the participants to continue the game by making the insults worse."...

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Excerpt #2
From https://www.kcur.org/show/central-standard/2012-06-05/playing-the-dozens-a-history-of-raps-mama Playing The Dozens: A History Of Rap's Mama, Published June 5, 2012 
"'YO MAMA JOKES HEARD ON THIS PROGRAM:

- Your mama's so old she knew Basie before he could Count (our guest Elijah Wald, The Dozens)

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- Yo mama's so poor, someone threw a cigarette in her yard & she said, “Clap yr hands, stomp your feet, thank the lord, we got heat!" (Listener April)

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- 'Yo Mama's so stupid, 'yo mama's a mess, she got locked in a grocery store and starved to death! (Caller Rick in Wyandotte)"...

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THE INFLUENCE OF "RAP BATTLES" ON THE GAME "KICK EM OUT THE CLASSROOM 
Pancocojams Editor's Note: 
Nick Cannon, the host of the American television series Wild 'N Out, introduced the world to that series' newly created word game "Kick 'em out the classroom", During the 2014 season of that show, Nick Cannon repeatedly mentioned that this game is "takin it back to old school". In some later seasons, the groups that competed in  that game were named "the old school" and "the new school".  The "old school" that Nick Cannon was referring to is "freestyle rap battles".

Here's some information about freestyle rap battles  

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_rap
"Battle rap (also known as rap battling)[1] is a type of rapping performed between two or more performers that incorporates boasts, insults and wordplay.[1] Battle rap is often performed or freestyled spontaneously in live battles, "where MCs will perform on the same stage to see who has the better verses", although it can also appear on studio albums.[2]

Although never a battler himself, battle rap was loosely described by 40 Cal, previously a member of American hip hop collective The Diplomats, in the book How to Rap (2009) as an "extracurricular" display of skill, comparing it to the dunk contest in the NBA. Battle rap has been developed into highly organized league events drawing in significant revenue and attention, with events for battles usually being "sold out." Mainstream artists such as Diddy, Busta Rhymes, Drake, Joe Budden and Cassidy have attended or participated in battles to help increase their popularity.[2] Rap battles are often written and performed to impress crowds with technically inventive rapping,[3] and knowing a wide variety of rapping styles and a wide range of MCs as personal inspirations is recommended.[4] Various MCs have started out writing mostly battle raps and battling other MCs before releasing commercial records.[5]

History

Rap battle is generally believed to have started in the East Coast hip hop scene in the late 1980s.[6] One of the earliest and most infamous battles occurred in December 1981 when Kool Moe Dee challenged Busy Bee Starski – Busy Bee Starski's defeat by the more complex raps of Kool Moe Dee meant that "no longer was an MC just a crowd-pleasing comedian with a slick tongue; he was a commentator and a storyteller" thus, rendering Busy's archaic format of rap obsolete, in favor of a newer style] which KRS-One also credits as creating a shift in rapping in the documentary Beef.]

In the 1980s, battle raps were a popular form of rapping – Big Daddy Kane in the book How to Rap says, "as an MC from the '80s, really your mentality is battle format... your focus was to have a hot rhyme in case you gotta battle someone... not really making a rhyme for a song".[1] Battle rapping is still sometimes closely associated with old school hip-hop – talking about battle rapping, Esoteric says, "a lot of my stuff stems from old school hip-hop, braggadocio ethic".[9]

Starting in the early 2000s, Freestyle Friday is a watered-down battle segment on BET's popular show 106 & Park. Two rappers compete in a freestyle battle before the studio audience and three celebrity judges (the DJ sometimes acts as the 3rd judge). Each competitor alternates freestyling for 30 seconds in each of the two rounds (originally only 1 round when the segment first began). The rappers are not allowed to use profanities or sexually suggestive lyrics, punishable by disqualification. After the battle, the judges decide the winner, per majority vote.

 Eventually, battle rap moved to a format which is now the predominant form of battle rap, where two emcees battle against each other without a beat, trading prewritten verses in three-round battles. The impromptu aspect of battling still exists in the form of rebuttals, which are short rhymes (usually in the beginning of a verse) where an emcee either comments on something about their opponent that was thought up on the spot (for instance, making fun of the shirt they're wearing), or responds to something their opponent said during their previous round. While not as prominent as it once was, the art of rebutting is still respected by many as difficult to do correctly, and a sign of a well-rounded emcee.

 While many creative minds were battling and organizing battles in the early 2000s, Troy “Smack” Mitchell of Queens New York gathered battle rappers of hood renown including Serius Jones of New Jersey and Loaded Lux, Murda Mook and Jae Millz of Harlem, Smack began recording battles, printing and hand-selling the DVDs—a cutting edge technological and artistic hustle at the time."...
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Here are four comments about that freestyle rapping in that video from that video's discussion thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKsw4b3XZ7s  (Numbers added for referencing purposes only) :

1. Breyer, 2019
" “you’re the snake without the rattle, you’re the boat without the paddle, you’re the duck without waddle, you’re the horse without the saddle, the ranch without the cattle, the day without the shadow, son i think you should skedaddle” if someone actually freestyles this it would be so hard"

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2. Gerard Garcia, 2020
..."yeah the wordplay is awesome even though the diss lacks"

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3.  heisenburger, 2020
"That would be trash in an actual freestyle lmao"

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4. local oppboy, 2020
..."he's  right lol that verse  would be trash in an actual rap battle cos it's not direct u could say that about anybody."

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THE SIMILARITIES THAT AFRICAN AMERICAN CHILDREN'S RHYMES AND CHEERS HAVE TO THE GAME "KICK EM OUT THE CLASSROOM
Many African American originated recreational children's rhymes and cheers were influenced by "Playing The Dozens" rhymes. As such, these rhymes and cheers have similar text (word) patterns and performance elements as the newly (2019) introduced word game "Kick 'em out the classroom",  As I wrote above "All of the performance arts and/or recreational activities that are mentioned in this post place a high value group participation, creative composition, fast thinking, and staying on beat. Sometimes these performance arts/recreational activities also place a high value on rhyming. In addition, many of these performing arts/recreational activities place a high value on insulting (dissing/roasting) another person who is participating in game, or other people present or not present during the game."

Here are three examples of African American original recreational games or (foot stomping) cheers that have some elements that remind me of "Kick'em out the classroom":

1. Yo'  (Your) Mama Don't Wear No Drawers
http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2011/10/yo-mama-dont-wear-no-drawers
Here's an excerpt from that pancocojams post:
"I thought that the first time I read an example of "Yo Mama Don't Wear No Drawers" was a discussion thread of "Childhood Games & Rhymes" from the 1980s on an internet forum for members of various Black Greek lettered sororites. One of those women with the tag name Optimistic1 added this example to the mix:
"Yo mama don't wear no drawers. I saw her when she took em off. She threw them in the air...Superman said "I declare!" (We had a whole lot of sayings that came after the second line like...She threw them on the track and the train jumped 50 miles back)"
-Optimistic1, http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=4123&page, Illinois, 2000

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The words to that rhyme sounded familiar to me, but I couldn't remember where I had first heard them. Eventually, I remembered that I read a rhyme that was very much like a "Yo Mama Don't Wear No Drawers" in the 1938 short story "Big Boy Leaves Home" that is part of the Uncle Tom's Children collection of short stories by the African American writer Richard Wright. In that story, "Your Mama Don't Wear No Drawers" is described as "an old song", and the boys are said to be "cracking" meaning "making up insults". Depending on what state you live in "crackin(g)is also known as "dissin", "rippin" (on) or "snapin". Here's an excerpt of that story as sung by Big Boy and three other boys:
"The ol song goes something like this:

Yo mama don wear no drawers,
Ah seena when she pulled em off,
N she washed em in alcohol,
N she hung em out in the hall,
N then she put em back on her QUALL!"
- http://www.nbu.bg/webs/amb/american/5/wright/bigboy.htm

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[UPDATE: January 30, 2019]
Hat tip to Anonymous (Sheila), January 30, 2019 at 10:24 AM for sharing the information that this rhyme is found in Zora Neil Hurston's 1937 book Their Eyes Were Watching God, page 157 (the paperback version with an afterwords by Henry Louis Gates). Thanks, Shiela!"

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2. Concentration 64 [and similar titles]
http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2011/11/concentration-64-handclap-game.html

"CONCENTRATION 64 (Example #1)
I used to play a game called concentration
all the girls played it
it was like this

concentration(clap clap clap)
64(clap clap clap)
no repeat(clap clap clap)
or hesitation(clap clap clap)
I'll go first(clap clap clap)
you go last(clap clap clap)
the category is(clap clap clap)
______________ (fill it in your self.)

you slapped each others hands while you were saying the words and after the category name the person had to say something in that category without repeating what someone had already said or hesitating or they were out.
-Guest, just visiting ,Origins: Concentration (kids' game); http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=85915 ; 11/11/2011 (hereafter given as "Mudcat: Concentration game")"

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3. Hula Hula
http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/11/examples-of-hula-hula-razzle-dazzle.html

" "Hula Hula" is an introduction, bragging, and taunting/confrontational foot stomping cheer. The earliest example of this cheer that I've found is from 1983 (Example #1 given below)....

 HULA HULA
Hula hula
Now who thinks they bad
Hula hula
Now who thinks they bad
I think I’m bad
‘Cause Acie my name
And toys is my game
Take a sip of my potion
And dance in slow motion
Uh-huh
She thinks she bad
Baby baby don’t make me mad
Un-huh
She thinks she cool
Baby baby don’t act a fool
Uh-huh
She think she sweet
Sweetest person you ever meet
Uh-huh
She thinks she fine
Baby baby I’ll blow your mind
-Barbara Michels and Bettye White, Editors: Apple On A Stick, The Folklore of Black Children (Putnam Juvenile; First Edition November 11, 1983) [Houston, Texas]

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"Kick 'Em Out The Classroom": Selected Comments From Discussion Threads For Two YouTube Videos Of That Wild 'N Out" Television Series Game

Wild 'N Out, Oct 16, 2019  #WildNOut #MTV

We celebrated the VMA’s by taking things back to the classroom and kicking off a new game with 2Chainz . Watch both squads try to hold their own with just a beat bumpin’ on the desk, following a previous classmates flow.
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"VMA" is an abbreviation for "Video Music Awards".

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II of a three part pancocojams series about the rhyming game "Kick 'em Out The Classroom".

This post showcases the same video as Part I. That post also includes some comments from the discussion for that video and some comments from the discussion thread of another video of a 2014 "Kick 'em out the classroom game".

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/03/wild-n-out-hip-hop-television-series.html for Part I of this three part series. That post presents information about the American television series Wild 'N Out and the "Kick em out of the classroom" game are included in this post along with a transcript of that first performance of tht game (in October 2014). That transcript is based on the captions for the YouTube video of that first performance. That skit performance occurred in in 2014 on the television series Wild 'N Out.  

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/03/black-cultural-influences-on-creation.html for Part III of this pancocojams series. That post presents information about and examples of several Black originated performance arts/recreational activities that remind me of the newly created  "Kick 'em out the classroom" freestyle rhyming game.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, entertainment. and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Nick Cannon and all of the Wild 'N Out production, writers, casts, and guest rappers who are associated with this showcased skit and all other Wild 'N Out episodes. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post.
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WARNING - Some of the content of  Wild 'N Out's episodes of  "Kick 'em out the classroom" include sexual explicit references and/or profanity and other possible problematic  content such as very revealing women's blouses. The episode that is showcased in this pancocojams post is the cleanest example of that televised game that I have found online.

A multiracial group of young adult males and males is the cast of Wild 'N Out's skit "Kick 'em out the classroom". The majority of these actors and their rapper guest/s are Black. That cast is joined by one (or more?) well known professional rappers.

In these (probably mostly rehearsed) skits the "students" are shown in a high school or middle school classroom without any teacher or any other adult. The "students" behave in ways that have stereotypically been attributed to urban, and particularly majority African American urban students i.e. constantly throwing paper wads at each other,  roasting (dissing/insulting) each other, twerking and doing other dances, using profanity and making sexually suggestive and/or sexually suggestive references, talking about using drugs, and otherwise engaging in behavior or talk that isn't appropriate for school students.

Needless to say, this is NOT the way that all (or I dare say even most) Black (or integrated with majority Black) schools are in the United States.

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WHAT THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE TERM "KICKED OUT THE CLASSROOM" MEANS
For those who may not be familiar with this term, being "kicked out the classroom" means that a teacher demands that a student remove themselves from their class because of what the teacher perceives is disruptive behavior.

"Kicked out of the classroom" means the same thing as "being sent to the [school's] office"

Consequences for being "kicked out of a classroom" may be in-school detention" (having to stay after school), in-home suspension (not being allowed in the school for a period of time), or expulsion from that school i.e. not being permitted to return to that school.
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In the word game "Kick 'em* out the classroom", the person who this command is directed to is out of the game.

*" 'em" technically means "them". However, in the case of this game, 'em" means "him" and can be used for a person of any gender.

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM  DISCUSSION THREAD FOR TWO "KICK 'EM OUT OF THE CLASSROOM" GAMES IN 2014.

These comments don't include any explanatory notes. Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.

Discussion Thread #1
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40OQ5VFCKq4  [This is the video that is embedded in this pancocojams post.]

2019

1. babyboyiii
"The concept behind this is actually amazing I LOVE THE GAME ALREADY!!!!

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2. ldg_ 7th
"That was fun & Dope.  Dap👊🏽🎶"

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3. Kev.
"This games definitely a keeper"

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4. SI
"This game was fire in the classroom"

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5. Raymond Kennedy
"Shout out to whoever came up with kick em out the classroom.  So far it’s been on every episode in season 14."

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6. Edward Simmons
"I'm still wondering, how did the dude next to Karlous got kicked out of the classroom"

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7. Joshua Yeboah
"lmao right? Dude just vanished."

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8. Edward Simmons
" @Joshua Yeboah  Exactly because of them editing that out we don't know how he got kicked out."

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9. Ck C
"Karlos said “ain’t nothing left” and then nick said “dude to the left” why ain’t nick go out?"

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10. Tony Thompson Jr.
"Ck IsHumble cuz Nick be cheating 🤣🤣🤣"

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11. DJ Medjai Monty
"Left has multiple meanings"

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12. Tony Thompson Jr.
"Lemont Johnson it ain’t about the meaning... it’s still the same word tho"

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13. Tony Thompson Jr.
"Lemont Johnson he still be cheating 😂 it’s his game so he should’ve been more original 😂"

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14. Precious Martina
"Ion understand 2 ⛓  had so much leisure . Nothing he said in this game was on topic"

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15. Mcauley Nicholls
"Justina getting bullied for 3 minutes"

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16. You Have Me At My Best
"That one boy the keeps picking on the girl he can't get."

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17. Akeela V
"They gone get off my boo Justina all the time. They KNOW she fine 😂"

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18. Adrian Trinidad
"Justina really fine fine😍You got alotta man freatures in the classroom."

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19. Yaasai Ross
"Justina got roast like a steak At A cookout

XXXD.....LOL!!!!!"

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20. Bonnie Lewis
"y they did Justina like that mon"

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21. Zosima Capo
"Hit man was really trying to hit on justina"

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22. Philip Mcclinton
"My boi killed justina every time"

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23. keva king
"That dude is lucky that justina comes before him she would roast him"

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24. Super girly gamer, 2020
"Hit man love justina"

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25. Damyan
"2 chainz had some weak ass bars here 😭"

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26. AGraceT
"I'm sorry but that "I don't see any Preacher" from 2chains was weaaaakkk 😂"

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27. Karma AK
"AGraceT he was out of things to say"

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28. Bubbly Yoonglesت
"Well what else rhymes with teacher🙄"

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29. AGraceT
"@Bubbly Yoonglesت  there's so many words that ryhmes with Preacher. What I'm saying is he just copied everything Nick said instead of carrying the flow relating to his "Teacher" rhyme like everyone else did. Like he panicked and went the easy way out 😂 For example, after nick said about Teacher, he could've carried it on and kept to the topic and said "I ain't a student, just a watcher, in the classroom" or "they teach nothing but be richer, in the classroom". Idk 😂 😂 😂"

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30. Joshua Yeboah
"​@AGraceT   He panicked yeah. It's not as easy as it looks lol, you gotta be quick and even if it isn't the most clever, he said something."

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31. MadSweeney89 !!!!!
"To bad it's literally all scripted and not actually in the moment...... Don't @ me...  It's been publicly said by cast members.....

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2020

32. Ndakwa Younga
"They keep pickin' on Justina 😂😂"

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33. Miarah Cabassa
"Props to whoever creates these new games😭👏🏾👏🏾 yah never cease to amaze"

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34. LilArt23
"1:37 Karlous Miller

1:50 B Simone

2:03 Dc Young Fly

2:33 Big Mack"

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35. Mona Lisa ❤︎
"What is the point of the guy after Justina? I mean him saying she’s flat was funny the first two times but literally he been on the show for 3 seasons and that’s literally all he got? His whole schtick is insulting women (Justina, Lizzo, B. Simone) even though he look like my geometry teacher 🤦🏿‍♀️🤦🏿‍♀️"

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2021

24. Omni G
"Wait, can Nick not get kicked out of the classroom? He repeated the word 'left' which was what Karlous said in the last round. The wild-n-out fandom does state that a member can't say the same thing as a previous member in the same round, but Karlous got kicked out for saying 'sex', a word Hitman used in the last round."

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Discussion thread #2
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDoL77N8Oqs Every Single Kick ‘Em Out The Classroom (Season 14) 👟 Wild 'N Out

Wild 'N Out, May 19, 2020  #WildNOut #MTV #AloneTogether

In Season 14, Wild ‘N Out introduced us to a new freestyle game that quickly became a favorite: Kick ‘Em Out The Classroom. Here is every single one from its first season, including Taylor Bennett, PNB Rock, and (many!) more.

[…]

Nick Cannon Presents: Wild 'N Out delivers lightning-fast improv and head-to-head battles, helmed by the master of ceremonies, Nick Cannon. The stakes are high as teams face off in a series of visceral, hip-hop-edged comedy showdowns, all culminating in a rap battle for the championship belt.

2020

1. NY Finest
"This is by far the best game, I wonder who's idea this was. So great"

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2. King Kev
"17:29 the way dc rode the beat was 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥"

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3. Jujuba 0617
"12:44 Martin luther king had a dream in the classroom 🔥🔥🔥"

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4. Ala
"1:03 why couldn’t Miami just say “I’VE BEEN going insane in the classroom” instead of only saying ‘Going insane in the classroom”? 😂 that’s just too short for the rhythm, that’s why she got kicked out of it"

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5. Alex Castle
"Nick pretending that he’s actually making the beat with his hands"

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6. T'challa Ware
"Wild'n out  be lit in the classroom"

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7. david frempong
"i dont really wanna sit in the classroom"

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8. n2smoove
"it’s the only game that still hit in the classroom"

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9. david frempong
"DJ-D-Wreck needs to quit in the classrom"

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10. T'challa Ware
"I'm be so legit in the classroom  @BigJoe707"

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11. T'challa Ware
"I'm  bringing the Heat in the classroom  @Yeimy Rodriguez"

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12. Starzella
"@T'challa Ware  I be eating some meat in the classroom"

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13. T'challa Ware
"Throw it out like  yeet in the classroom  @Starzella"

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14. Yeimy Rodriguez
"@T'challa Ware  hitman got big teeth in the classroom"

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15. T'challa Ware
"I be underneath in the classroom  @Yeimy Rodriguez"

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16. 9rimace
"Let’s start our own “In the Classroom”:

When the homework due in the classroom?

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17. Frederick Williams
"Friday at 2 in the classroom"

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18. Tenia
"Frederick Williams might tie my shoe in the classroom"

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19. toniton seconde
"I'm sipping on a smoothie in the classroom"

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20. mynamegoeshere
" @toniton seconde  kick u out the classroom!!!!!!"

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21. ThatsMrAce
"Blue face was the worst to ever do it"

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22. •ravenofdeath•
"He wasn’t on beat 👀"

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23. Almighty Emoji
"You know he cant ride nobodys beat 🙄😂"

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24. sssssss
"Right when you realize it’s not them making the beat..."

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25. TO
"Honestly I was wondering how they alwaysss ended with "what we doing in the classroom" "

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26. Golden Soul177
"I realized that too"

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27.Unknown X
"SCRIPTED all this was rehearsed"

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28. TopNotch Sports
"I cant think that fast

I'd lose every time"

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29. No Chill
"🤔 I was thinking this, but its not that. If you're first then you can make up the rhyme, the 2nd person has to be quick but after that just think of a word that rhymes with what the first person said and it should be easy."

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30. MrBeatboxmasta
"@No Chill  You just have to make sure it's not the same word anyone has already said tho. You can tell who were doing what you said because they repeated a word or worse, a whole line..because they weren't able to pay attention and think at the same time."

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31. No Chill
"@MrBeatboxmasta  true, imagine not being able to pay attention and think at the same time? #stupid, some of them were just being lazy."

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32. Iaeryana Dupree
"Not that hard, just listen to what the rhyme is and when its ur turn put it in a sentence"

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33. Rxpeats
"Just realized what are the chances all the rounds end on someone getting kicked out?"

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34. josh hillerman
"i’m pretty sure i’m editing they change the timer slightly so it times it perfectly"

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35. jollyomeatLA
"They intentionally do things to end it. One dude walked up to an audience member knowing he would soon be up and Eman pretended to choke out Hitman so the round would end right as time ran out. It's not hard to notice when something is done for a reason."

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36. Joël Bokeka
"Please may somebody explain me  the exact rule of this game/freestyle . Thank you"

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37. Bri, 2021
"Nick explains the rules at the beginning of the video. but if you say something that doesn’t rhyme with what the previous person said or if you repeat something someone already said, you get kicked out the classroom"

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38. DragonBearUzi
"@21:27 she [Justina] says "AhhhH!" Cause they said "cheesy" twice, but then she saw the timer and covered her mouth, cuz it has to end at exactly 3 minutes. This skit is scripted in some way. Wish it was more real, because the concept of this game is really good, and hilarious.

EDIT: Also just realized she called out a member of her own team, and she deff should have kept her mouth shut. XD"

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39. Texasranger
"So we gonna ignore how offbeat Blueface is?"

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40. Esai 650
"Anybody notice that Blueface should’ve gotten eliminated cuz he made a longer verse? Or is it just me"

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41. Ravencl4ws
"So wait how do you get kicked out.."

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42. shayla
"If you say the same thing as someone else"

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43. Ashely Kambanje
"Do these people rehearse"

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44. Braydenbz
"Not family friendly"

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Wild ‘N Out' Hip Hop Television Series' "Kick 'Em Out The Classroom" Freestyle Rhyming Game (Video, information & transcript for the first game)

Wild 'N Out, Oct 16, 2019  #WildNOut #MTV

We celebrated the VMA’s by taking things back to the classroom and kicking off a new game with 2Chainz . Watch both squads try to hold their own with just a beat bumpin’ on the desk, following a previous classmates flow.
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"VMA" is an abbreviation for "Video Music Awards"

Total views for this YouTube video as of March 30, 2023 at  4:33 PM EDT= 7 million.  

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part I of a three part pancocojams series about the rhyming game "Kick 'em Out The Classroom".

This post showcases a YouTube video of Wild 'N Out (American television series') first "Kick 'em Out The Classroom" game. This rhyming game is also called "In the classroom".

Information about the American television series Wild 'N Out and the "Kick em out of the classroom" game are included in this post along with a transcript of that first performance of that game (in October 2014). That transcript is based on the captions for the YouTube video of that first performance. That skit performance occurred in in 2014 on the television series Wild 'N Out.  

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/03/selected-comments-from-discussion.html  for Part II of this pancocojams series. That post showcases the same video as Part I. That post also includes some comments from the discussion for that video and some comments from the discussion thread of another video of a 2014 "Kick 'em out the classroom" game.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/03/black-cultural-influences-on-creation.html for Part III of this pancocojams series. That post presents information about and examples of several Black originated performance arts/recreational activities that remind me of the newly created  "Kick 'em out the classroom" freestyle rhyming game.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, entertainment. and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Nick Cannon and all of the Wild 'N Out production, writers, casts, and guest rappers who are associated with this showcased skit and all other Wild 'N Out episodes. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

Thanks also to my daughter Tazi Hughes for sharing her experience this week (March 27,2023) of being introduced to this game and joining with some students in playing this game. Read my comment about her experience with that game in the comments section below.  
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WARNING - Some of the content of  Wild 'N Out's episodes of  "Kick 'em out the classroom" include sexual explicit references and/or profanity and other possible problematic  content such as very revealing women's blouses. The episode that is showcased in this pancocojams post is the cleanest example of that televised game that I have found online. 

The cast of Wild 'N Out's skit "Kick 'em out the classroom" is a multiracial group of young adult males and males. The majority of these actors and their rapper guest/s are Black. In these (probably mostly rehearsed) skits the "students" are shown in a high school or middle school classroom without any teacher or any other adult. The "students" behave in ways that have stereotypically been attributed to urban, and particularly majority African American urban students i.e. constantly throwing paper wads at each other,  roasting (dissing/insulting) each other, twerking and doing other dances, using profanity and making sexually suggestive and/or sexually suggestive references, talking about using drugs, and otherwise engaging in behavior or talk that isn't appropriate for school students.

Needless to say, this is NOT the way that all (or I dare say even most) Black (or integrated with majority Black) schools are in the United States.

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INFORMATION ABOUT "NICK CANNON PRESENTS:WILD 'N OUT"
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_%27n_Out
"Wild 'N Out is an American sketch comedy and improv game show series that was created and is hosted by musician and comedian Nick Cannon currently airing on VH1.[1] It debuted on July 28, 2005 on MTV.

In April 2019, the series had been renewed through Season 16, with 90 new episodes to be produced.[2] On June 19, 2019, it was announced that Wild 'N Out would expand to VH1, with a special Summer season premiering on July 7, 2019.[3][4]"...
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As of March 2023, Wild 'N Out has had a total of 18 Seasons.

The teams are made up of a cast of rappers (portraying high school students) who are joined by one or more professional rapper/s. 

The names of some of the "Kick 'em out of the classroom" cast is given in the fandom article whose link is below. Some other cast members names with video time stamps are given in Comment #16 of Discussion thread #1 below.

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INFORMATION ABOUT "KICK 'EM OUT THE CLASSROOM"
From https://wild-n-out.fandom.com/wiki/Kick_%27Em_Out_The_Classroom#:~:text=Description,wins%20the%20game.

"Kick 'Em Out The Classroom is one of the recurring improv games that was introduced in Season 14 of the improv comedy show Wild 'N Out on MTV and VH1.

Seasons played- Season 14 to presents

Description

Each team member of both squads must freestyle in this timed game. If a member gets stuck, messes up the rhyme, or says the same thing a previous member said in the current round, that member is kicked out the classroom. The team with the most members at the desk when the time runs out wins the game."
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Pancocojams Editor's Note:
Notice that the rapping is supposed to flow on the beat from one person to the next. When it doesn't, it destroys the beat. If the person who is supposed to be rappin, doesn't start on the beat, they are said to have "messed up the rhyme".  Another way of saying this is that that person is "off beat". A person may "mess up the rhyme" if they rap a sentence that doesn't fit the beat of that game (because that sentence is too short, or too long, or begins after the beat has already begun. 

"Gets stuck" means that the person doesn't say anything..
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Additional information about the "Kick 'em out the classroom"  game is found in some of the comments that are given in Part II of this pancocojams series.

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TRANSCRIPT OF THE GAME THAT IS EMBEDDED IN THIS POST
Pancocojams Editor's Note
I produced this unofficial transcript from the captions that are given for this video with these minor changes": 

I didn't include the portion of Nick Cannon's introduction which refers to the VMA show.

I replaced the word "All" instead of  the word "crowd" which is used in those captions. "All"/"Crowd" refers to the total cast and the studio audience saying the refrain "Aye, what you doin in the classroom?" and saying the referain"Aww, kick 'em out the classroom!"

I used "next student" to indicate the person who is rapping a certain line, except for Nick Cannon's name, 2 Chain's name (that skit's guest rapper) , and the name of the DJ who is briefly shown standing behind two turntables. (Although the "students" are shown hitting beats on their desk tops, the beat for this game -purportedly-come from that DJ).

I've also used the names of a few 'students' with their lines. I've identified those few cast members from s reading the discussion threads for some of these "Kick 'em out the classroom" YouTube video. In those cases, I've used those names instead of the referent "next student".

The word "Beep" that is given in those captions and this transcription replaces profanity or other socially unacceptable word on television. 


Additions and Corrections are welcome.
 

Transcription from 0.12 to 3:36
"Nick Cannon - This game is called kick ’em out the classroom…It’s all about rappin freestylin’, takin it back to school

You get stuck, you mess up the rhyme, you say the same thing, you get kicked out the classroom. and it’s time game.

At the end of the time, the time with the most people still at their desk wins the game.

D Wreck.  

D. Wreak -Yeah?

Nick Cannon- Let’s get to it.

All of the students and the television studio audience - In the classroom
In the classroom
In the classroom
Aye, what we doin in the classroom?

Nick Cannon- My Versace so fresh-
All- in the classroom
[This refrain is said at the end of each subsequent rap except for when All say “Kick ‘em out of the classroom.]

Next “student”- You already said that-nothing left-

Next student- “Man, I’m tryin to see some chest-

Next student- Sharpest [beep] since gas-

Next student – Man, these [beep[ so pressed-

Next student – Man, yo’ weave is the best-  

Next student – Well, you know I’m fresh to death-

Next student -You know it’s checkers not chess-

Next student –[makes the sign of the cross on his body] and says “God bless”-

Next student -Aye, I’m under stress-

Next student – Justina [a student in the classroom], can I please have sex-

Next student [Justina] -All these boys is really pests-

Next student- Dat ass I’m not impressed-

Next student – In my class they got the tech-

Next student -Charlie Clips [a “student in the classroom?] ain’t got no neck

Big Mac [a heavyset male] – my back got breast-

Next student – I brush with [beep]-

Next student -Hit man, Hit man then I’m next [“Hit man" is the name a student in the classroom]

Nick Cannon – Hey dude, to the left

Next student – Don’t nobody really have sex-

All -In the classroom!
Aww, kick ‘em out the classroom!
Aww, kick ‘em out the classroom!

Aye, what we doin in the classroom?
Aye-what we doing in the classroom?

2Chain [guest rapper]- A turkey burger in the classroom

The Next student walks off [because she missed the beginning beat]-
All-Aww, kick ‘em out the classroom!
Aww, kick em out the classroom!

Aye, what we doin in the classroom?
Aye-what we doing in the classroom?

Next student -I been doin geometry in the classroom

Next student – [beep, mumbles]

All-Aww, kick ‘em out the classroom!
Aww, kick em out the classroom!

Aye, what we doin in the classroom?
Aye, what we doin in the classroom?

Next student – I been smokin on big gas-

Next student – Justina got a big ass-

Next student – Ah, I’m not gone pass-

Next Student -Ah, yeah, this [beep] goin’ be your last-

Justina- And I know they tryin to smash-

Next student- Lookin at that ass, I’m goin’ laugh-

Next student - I like all my girls fast-


Next student - I break that booty like glass

Big Mac- Yeah [Instead of standing up to say his rap like most of the other "students", Big Mac says that word while seated at his desk eating a slice of pizza from a big box.]

-All-Aww, kick ‘em out the classroom!
Aww, kick em out the classroom!

Aye, what we doin in the classroom?
Aye, what we doin in the classroom"

Next student – Where you goin with the pizza-

Next student – somebody cashed my Visa-

Nick Cannon- I don’t even really see a teacher-

2 Chain – I don’t even really see a preacher-

Next student = You kinda look like a creature- [referring to Justina]

Next student [Bobby J] -I beat your ass for my leisure-

Next student – Jay-Z or Nas speaking either-

Next student – Charlie Clip got fat sneakers-

Next  student -All those cheerleaders in the bleachers

Justina – I look like Mona Lisa

Next student – You gotta lot of man features [referring to Justina.]

 [Justina hits that student with a book]

All-Aww, kick ‘em out the classroom!
Aww, kick em out the classroom!

Aye, what we doin in the classroom?

[A bell rings signaling the end of this game]

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"Where The Watermelons Rot" (an original song by Madelynne Whitt based on "Down By The Bay Where The Watermelons Grow")

Brat TV, Aug 7, 2020

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post focuses on the 2019 song "Where The Watermelons Rot" by Madelynne Whitt. That song is partly based on the folk song "Down By The Bay"/"Down By The Sea" (Where the watermelons grow)..

The complete lyrics for "Where The Watermelons Rot" are included in this post along with a few comments from that video's discussion thread.

In addition, this pancocojams post showcases a shortened version of "Where The Watermelons Rot" with the lyrics for that shortened version. 

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, historical, and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composer/s of the "Down By The Sea" ("Down By The Banks")  song.

Thanks also to Madelynne Whitt for her song "Where The Watermelons Rot". 
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This post is part of an ongoing pancocojams series about the history of the song "Down By The Sea"/ "Down By The Bay" (including the 2020 adaption "Down By The Bay Where The Watermelons Rot." 

Although almost all pancocojams posts focus on African American culture and other Black cultures around the world, this "Down By The Sea"/"Bay" series is presented for general folkloric purposes. 

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/03/the-earliest-known-source-for-lyrics.html for the closely related pancocojams post entitled "The Earliest Known Sources For The Lyrics "Have you Ever Seen A Cow With A Green Eyebrow?" In "Down By The Sea Where The Watermelons Grow" Songs"

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COMPLETE LYRICS - WHERE THE WATERMELON ROTS 
(composed by Madelynne Whitt)

Down by the bay (Down by the bay)
Where the watermelon rot ( where the watermelon rot)
If you go home (if you go home)
Just don't get caught (just don't get caught)

But if you do
Your mother will say
"Never trust a man under the sand
Down by the bay

When I go to sleep (when I go to sleep)
The book in my hand ( the book in my hand)
I know in my dream (know in my dream)
I'll see her there ( I'll see her there )

She isn't real
My parents lie
I know the truth but I can never tell you
Or thеy will all cry
Down by the bay (down by the bay)
Wherе the watermelons rot (where the watermelon rot)
If you go home (if you go home)
Just don't get caught ( just don't get caught)

But if you do
Our mother will say
"Don't run away I'll keep you safe
Down by the bay"

My father's home ( my fathers home)
Got me some shoes ( got me some shoes)
Out with the old (out with the old)
In with the new
He isn't real
My parents lie (lie)
I know the truth
But I could never tell you
Or they will all die

Down by the bay (down by the bay)
Where the watermelon rot (where the watermelon rot)
If you go home (If you go home)
Just don't get caught (just don't get caught)

But if you do
My mother will say
"You don't wanna know what's outside the window
Down by the bay'
But if you do
My mother will say
"You don't wanna know what's outside the window
Down by the bay''

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SHOWCASE VIDEO #2- "Where The Watermelons Rot/Down By The Bay" 🎃 By Madelynne Whitt (Maya Zoey)

 

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Here's the lyrics to this shortened version of  "Where The Watermelons Rot":

Down by the bay (Down by the bay)
Where the watermelon rot ( where the watermelon rot)
If you go home (if you go home)
Just don't get caught (just don't get caught)
But if you do
My mother will say
"You don't wanna know what's outside the window
Down by the bay''
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Based on TikTok clips, YouTube videos that I've watched and comments about this song that I've read, this appears to be the most common shortened lyrical version of Madelynne Whitt's song "Where The Watermelons Rot". 

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S COMMENTS ABOUT "WHERE THE WATERMELONS ROT"
"Where The Watermelons Rot" can be considered a contemporary version of the song "Down By The Sea (or "Down By The Bay' Where The Watermelons Grow".  "Down By The Sea" predates World War I (1914-1918). Early versions of this song include British soldier's song, a English language shanty (chanty) work song, and a children's nonsense rhyme version that includes the line "Have you ever seen a cow with a green eyebrow?" The most well known contemporary version of this song is the version by Canadian singer Raffi which was recorded in 1976.

In contrast to earlier "versions" of  "Down By The Sea"/"Bay", "Where The Watermelons Rot" has a known writer. Also, in contrast to those earlier versions, Madelynne Whitt's song doesn't include silly  rhyming verse such as "Did you ever see a cow with a green eyebrow?" and "Did you ever see a bear combing his hair?" Instead, "Where The Watermelons Rot" has a horror movie vibe.

Instead of focusing on the silly rhymes that were made in these earlier "versions" of "Down By The Bay" and/or making up their own nonsense rhyming verses, many commenters in YouTube videos of "Where The Watermelons Rot" (and other "versions" of "Down By The Bay" share their ideas of the what that song means. The interest in what the songs mean also extends to Raffi's and other singers' versions of "Down By The Bay". These "backstories" include tales of murder, kidnapping, the mother having dementia, the mother being on drugs, and more. 

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SOME COMMENTS ABOUT "WHERE THE WATERMELONS ROT"
These online sources are given in no order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.

Online Source #1
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnXZLA44u5Y [This is the video that is embedded in this pancocojams post.]
1.Scelly 19,2020
"I just love how they take a children’s song and make it to a whole horror song"

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2. Noelle Wastaken, 2020
"I remember a more kid friendlier version in elementary school

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3. 𝑳𝒂𝒄𝒆𝒚 ♥ 𝒉𝒐𝒓𝒔𝒆𝒔, 2021
"That’s what this is based off"

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4. Clover 🍀, 2020
"I heard my friend singing this and got very confused at first because I grew up knowing the more happy nursery rhyme / round. This is so surreal to listen to"

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5.Cherry,2020
"I... want theories, I want guesses, I want answers, I want to know the meaning behind this dark twist of the song."

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6. lee., 2020
"This song remind me of the show 'The Promised Neverland', the fake fosters, mother, new shoes, "I can never tell you or they will all die", "If you go home, just don't get caught". 'The Promised Neverland' is a show about Emma, Norman, and Ray, three 12 year old orphans living in a orphanage with Mother Isabella (I think was her name). After their friend Connie gets 'adopted' and leaves behind her favorite toy, Ray suggest the two go catch up to her before she leaves, they soon realize the 'orphanage' and Mother Isabella aren't what they seem."

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7. live_laugh_watermelon,2020
"I was listening to this and my sister obsessed with murder mysteries that was sitting beside me playing roblox suddenly started theorizing.

She was like:

OMG I feel like she's blind and was kidnapped by two people who keep her because they lost their daughter that looked like her and murdered her parents, (out with the old in with the new) and she knew these people weren't really her parents and the stench down by the bay she thought to be her actual parents corpses but the people who kidnapped her told her they were just rotting watermelons (my parents lie, he isn't real) . (don't trust the man from the sand) and she knows but has to keep pretending she doesn't until she finds a way to get away.

( if you go home, just don't get caught).

And I was like:

That sounds like a tiktok pov you watched earlier-"

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8. Azealia Banks, 2020
"Theory based on the Lyrics:

Her Father died at a very young age, he was a Watermelon Farmer so they thought it was fitting to bury him under the sand down by the bay near the Watermelons. (Never trust the man under the sand.) Her Mother tells her to never go down by the bay and that she'll keep her safe at home. She also tells her to lock the windows at night. One day however, she forgets too and she sees the spirit of her Father haunting her, curious she decides to investigate and she finds her Father's diary, the one she's holding the entire video, she gets curious and finally decides to go down the bay. She tries to find something but she sees the washed up shoes of her Father (My Father's Home, Bought me new Shoes) She starts to get haunted by her Father, she finally finds out the truth that her Father was killed by her Mother, She panics and doesn't know what to do (If you go home, just don't get caught) her mother than finds out that she knows and she murders her daughter and buries her body down by the bay. Her mother then is seen exiting the Bay."

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9. noonesnormal,2020
"Theory: She lost her husband and her baby girl. Her parents are trying to protect her and tell her that her hallucinations of them are real. She is aware they are dead and wants to go back home, but her parents don't want her going back home where her family died. She tries to kill herself down at the bay.

 

Edit: Thank you to everyone who liked my theory! I didn't even know people read it!"
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As of March 28, 2023 at 9:41 EDT, this comment has 7,200 likes and 91 replies.

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10. Dizzy_AnimeLover, 2021
"This would be perfect for an actual horror movie"

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11. JByepitsme, 2021
"I absolutely love this version❤. She sings and plays creepy very well. One my faves"

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12.☆ Existing ☆,2021
"I love this song, even if it's creepy :>"

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13. Priyanka Behera, 2022
"Yes true this is perfect for horror scenes and songs"

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14. Honey bunny,2022
"I actually have a theory about this song …. she actually killed her family by the bay and she buried them in the sand and her parents are trying to keep her from going to her home by the bay and her parents don’t want her going home because she’s mentally not OK this is just a theory"

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15. ♡ French-bread-vanilla ♡, 2023 
"The part where it says “she isn’t real, my parents lie” gives me horror movie chills. It sounds like one of the characters having like a spirit or demon or imaginary friend or enemy and nobody believing them and just trying to tell them it isn’t real but they know it is so there saying people are lying. It also ties well with the “I know the truth, but I couldn’t tell you or they would cry” it’s like the character wanting to tell people about it but they can’t."

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The Earliest Known Sources For The Lyrics "Have You Ever Seen A Cow With A Green Eyebrow?" In "Down By The Sea Where The Watermelons Grow" Songs

Samuel Morris, May 7, 2020

Split into 2 groups if you can for this one, have a leader sing the first line and the rest answering...

Leader: Old Mother Riley's got a farm

Others: Way down yonder in the cornfields

L: And on that farm she's got a farm

O: Way down yonder in the cornfields

L: Down by the sea

O:Down by the sea

L: Where the watermelons grow

O: Where the watermelons grow

L: Back to my home

O: Back to my home

L: I dare not go

O: I dare not go

L: For if I go

O: For if I go

L: My ma will say

O: My ma will say

All: Have you ever seen a cow with a green eyebrow,

Have you ever seen a cow with a green eyebrow?

Down by the e-i-o, HO!

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post showcases a YouTube video of  pre Raffi versions (pre-1976) of the song "Down By The Sea" (also known as "Down By The Bay") where the watermelons grow".

This post focues on examples of that song that include the line "Have you ever seen a cow with a green eyebrow" in "Down By The Sea" /Down By The Bay songs.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, historical, and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composer/s of the "Down By The Sea" ("Down By The Banks")  song. Thanks also to the unknown composer/s  of the versions of that song that are featured in this post.
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This post is part of an ongoing pancocojams series about the history of the song "Down By The Sea"/ "Down By The Bay" (including the 2020 adaption "Down By The Bay Where The Watermelons Rot" 

Although almost all pancocojams posts focus on African American culture and other Black cultures around the world, this "Down By The Sea"/"Bay" series is presented for general folkloric purposes. 

"Down By The Sea" (also known as "Down By The Bay" has pre-World War I (1914-1918) origins as indicated in a number of online pages, including .https://www.folklounge.org/where-are-the-watermelons-from-anyway/ "Where are the Watermelons from anyway?" March 20, 2023, Daniel Kelly.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/03/johnny-come-long-old-shanty-that.html for a closely related pancocojams post entitled "Johnny, Come-A-Long" : An Old Shanty That Includes The Chorus For The Song "Down By The Sea" also known as "Down By The Bay (Where The Watermelons Grow)"

Also, click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/03/where-watermelons-rot-original-song-by.html for the pancocojams post entitled "Where The Watermelons Rot" (an original song by Madelynne Whitt based on "Down By The Bay Where The Watermelons Grow").

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INFORMATION ABOUT EARLY SONGS THAT INCLUDE THE LYRICS "HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A COW WITH A GREEN EYEBROW?"
The earliest source that I have found for the line "Have you ever seen a cow with a green eyebrow is the 1918 song "Way Down Yonder in the Cornfields"* in the book entitled More Tommy's Tunes, second series, [by] Nettleinghame, 1918]

Click https://www.google.com/books/edition/More_Tommy_s_Tunes/DSKtAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Have+you+ever+seen+a+cow+with+a+green+eyebrow%3F&pg=PA18&printsec=frontcover [page 17 and 18]
 More Tommy's Tunes - An Additional Collection of Soldiers' Songs, Marching Melodies, Rude Rhymes and Popular Parodies, Composed, Collected, and Arranged on Active Service with the B E F

Nettleinghame, E, F T(middlesex Regiment) compiler

Published by Erskine Macdonald, London, 1918
[page 17 and 18]
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*WARNING -There are a number of late 19^th century United States songs with different lyrics that have the title “Way Down Yonder In The Corn Field .  “Way Down Yonder In The Corn Field” songs were sung by Black or White people and most of those songs include what is now called “the n word. 

The lyrics for that 1918 British soldier's song is given in Online Source #1, example #7.  

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Here's information about a 1930 source for the line ""Have you ever seen a cow with a green eyebrow?" from From https://www.folklounge.org/where-are-the-watermelons-from-anyway/ "Where are the Watermelons from anyway?" March 20, 2023, Daniel Kelly
…."I found the 1930 text, but it had several titles, including The Long Trail (which is online, a 1965 re-print).

 “ Down by the Sea

 Air? 

 Down by the sea
(Down by the sea!)
Where the watermelons grow
(Where the watermelons grow!)
Back to my home
(Back to my home!)
I dare not go
(I dare not go!)
For if I do
(For if I do)
My wife will say:
(My wife will say)
Did you ever see a cow with a green eye brow
(Did you ever see a cow with a green eye brow
Down where the watermelons grow?

The repetitive rhymes were intoned very softly, and the whole piece of nonsense was sung slow and sweet till the last two lines which went with speed and gusto. Although most soldiers didn’t realize ,this was almost certainly a pre-War ditty.” "
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This is the end of the quote from that song page from that 1930 book entitled The Long Trail.

In that quote "Air" means "Tune".

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COMMENTS THAT MENTION 'THE COW WITH A GREEN EYEBROW" IN DOWN BY THE BAY"/ "DOWN BY THE SEA" SONGS

These online sources are given in no particular order. Numbers are included for referencing purposes only.

Online Source #1
From Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Bay / Sea
https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=108942

1.GUEST,h.b.
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 11:18 PM
"For me, it was a camp song from about 1957 - the first verse ending with:

 "Did you ever see a cow, with a green eyebrow, down by the bay?"

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2. GUEST
Date: 30 Aug 15 - 06:10 PM
"My dad taught it to me as

 "Early in the morning
as the day was dawning
See the little engines all in a row
see the little drivers pulling out the levers
chuff chuff chuff and away they go
down to the sea
where the watermelons grow.
I dare not go,
for if I do,
my mother will say
"did you ever see a cow with a green eyebrow, down by the sea?"

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3. GUEST,Fiona
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 09:27 AM
"This brings back so many memories my nanny always used to sing

Early in the morning as the day is dawning
See the little engines all in a row
See the little driver
Pull the little leaver
Choo choo choo
And away we go
Down by the sea
Where the watermelons grow
But too my home
I dare not go
For if i do
My wife will say
Have you ever seen a cow
With a green eyebrow
Down by the sea

My nanny was welsh and she used to sing it in welsh afterwards and we loved it as kids, just wish i could remember it in Welsh i sing the above version"
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Examples #2 and #3 combine two songs: 1. The song beginning with the line "Early in the morning as the day is dawning" and 2. The song beginning with "Down by the sea".

That first song is best known as "Down By The Station". Here's some information about and lyrics for that song from https://allnurseryrhymes.com/down-by-the-station/
..."Down by the Station is a contemporary nursery rhyme and one of the most popular children’s train songs. The first written account of the song dates back to a 1931 edition of the children’s magazine “Recreation” edited by the National Recreation Association.

The first known recording of “Down by the Station” happened in 1948 by Slim Gaillard and Lee Ricks but the song was made famous by Tommy Dorsey’s version from the same year.

The tune of the song is very similar to the popular French song “Alouette”

Down by The Station Lyrics

Down by the station
Early in the morning
See the little pufferbellies
All in a row
See the station master
Turn the little handle
Puff, puff, toot, toot
Off we go!"
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It appears that the song "Down By The Station" was based on an earlier song that began with the "Early in the morning as the day is dawning" line.

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4.  GUEST
Date: 10 Apr 16 - 04:24 PM
"My father sang this version to me on 1950's and that was in Devon, UK, always sea and the cow with the green-eyed version."

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5. GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 17 - 01:50 PM
"My father used to sing it to us as you have put it but finish by saying "Have you ever seen a cow with a green eyebrow, down by the sea"! He was born in 1916, so don't know whether it has Edwardian origins"

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6. GUEST,Vanessa in the Uk
Date: 16 Sep 18 - 08:31 AM
"So excited to have found this thread! Im in the middle of packing up my home ready for a move and was reminiscing about my late father (born 1914 Birmingham UK) who sang to me in my infancy & then to his grandchildren many years later about down by the sea ... and the cow with the green eyebrow! I was never sure if it was a real song or something my dad made up, so I had a lovely surprise finding this and learning that many children across the world and across time have enjoyed this dirty ?"
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Guest, Vanessa in the Uk wrote a post correcting that last word. She meant to write“ditty”

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7.  GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 05:35 PM
"Have not had much luck with the wiki of late. Tune may be Greek but, I doubt a Greek Mother Riley. Learned this one as Old Mother Riley (had a farm) but the title was:

 “Way Down Yonder in the Cornfields

1918

Solo: Old Mother Riley's got a farm,
Chorus: Way down yonder in the cornfields,
S. And on this farm she's got a cow,

C. Way down yonder in the cornfields.

S. Down by the sea,

C. Down by the sea,

S. Where the water melons grow,

C. Where the water melons grow,

S. Back to ma home,

C. Back to ma home,

S. I dare not go––

C. I dare not go,

S. For if I do––

C. For if I do,

S. My Ma will say––

C. My Ma will say:

S. Have you ever seen a cow with a green eyebrow?

C. Have you ever seen a cow with a green eyebrow?

C. Down by the E.I.O.”

[More Tommy's Tunes, 2nd series, Nettleinghame, 1918]
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From 
"Old Mother Riley is a fictional [British] character portrayed from about 1934 to 1954 by Arthur Lucan and from 1954 to the 1980s by Roy Rolland as part of a British music hall act.[1][2]"...
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It appears that the character "Old Mother Riley" was replaced by Old Mother Hubbard (who went to the cupboard to get her dog a bone) and by Old McDonald (who had a farm). 

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Online Source #2
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CSxGHve60E Raffi Down By The Bay YouTube, Lena Rogers, Sep 5, 2012
1. Matthew Renwick, 2017
"Did you ever see a COW with a green eyeBROW"   My Dad sang it to me when I was little..I'm nearly 80 now and still love it. Thanks Raffi"
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The silly (nonsense) rhyme "cow with a green eyebrow"  isn't included in Raffi's performances of "Down By The Bay". Raffi's first recording of "Down By The Bay" was in 1976.

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