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Showing posts with label Black children's recreational Rhymes and cheers. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Black children's recreational Rhymes and cheers. Show all posts

Tuesday, December 9, 2025

Black Girls' Rhymes & Foot Stomping Cheers In A 2022 Production of The Play "For Colored Girls Who Have Considered Suicide/When The Rainbow Is Enuf



The Tony Award, May 28, 2022 Mama's little baby likes shortnin' bread.
Mama's little baby likes shortnin' bread.

Soloist: My name Sitar
Group-Yeah
Soloist-And I am fly
Group- yeah
Soloist- And when I kick it
Group-Yeah
Soloist-I kick it high

Group- Okay Okay
Jig a low
Jig Jig a low
Jig a low
Jig Jig a low
Jig a low
Jig Jig a low
Jig a low
Jig Jig a low
Soloist- My name is Nita
Group-Yeah
Soloist-And I'm a cutie
Group-Yeah
Soloist-JAnd if you don't so
Group-Yeah
Soloist- Imma shake my bootie
Group-Whoop Thang!
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This rhyme and cheers aren't included in the auto-generated transcript of this video. This is my unofficial transcription of this portion of this video. Additions and corrections are welcome.

This video shows a few clips of that Broadway production with audio that doesn't match the visuals that are shown. Also, the movements that are shown during the audio and video clips don't match the real life performance activities that Black girls did in real life while they chanted that rhyme and those cheers. 

The rhyme and cheers portion shown in the beginning of this video isn't part of the original "For Colored Girls"... play.

The first vocalization that was shown is the song "Mama's Little Baby"

The second vocalization (beginning with the soloist "My name Sitar") is a form of the foot stomping cheer "Hula Hula".

The third vocalization is a form of the foot stomping cheer "Jig A Low". 
 
Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/09/foot-stomping-cheers-alphabetical-list_40.html for Part II (D- G) of this series for examples of "Gigalow" ("Jigalow").


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Notice that at .09-010 in the video, three women are shown 
very briefly signing ASL (American Sign Language) .

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Monday, December 1, 2025

Examples Of The Word "Fine" Meaning "Physically Attractive" In Black American Girls' Foot Stomping Cheers

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest revision - December 4, 2025

This is Part II of a two part pancocojams series about the inclusion of the word "fine" meaning "physically attractive" in some Black American girls' foot stomping cheers. 

This pancocojams post presents an overview of foot stomping cheers as well as a YouTube video of stepping which is a movement art that is very similar to performing foot stomping cheers. 

This post also presents some examples of Black American girls' foot stomping cheers that include a line or lines with the word "fine" that means "physically attractive"..

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2025/12/2024-redditcom-discussion-thread-about.html for Part I of this pancocojams post. That post presents an excerpt of a reddit.com discussion thread that presents some examples of songs that include the word "fine" meaning "physically attractive". 

The content of this post is presented for historical, folkloric, socio-cultural, and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks ro all those who shared the examples of these rhymes or cheers. Thanks also to the girl who is featured in the YouTube video that is showcased in this post and thanks to the producer of that video.

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OVERVIEW OF FOOT STOMPING CHEERS
written by Azizi Powell, December 4, 2025 (assisted by Tazi Hughes)*

*My daughter, Tazi Hughes, performed foot stomping cheers in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in the 1980s and collected some foot stomping cheers from girls when she worked as a camp counselor at a Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania summer camp in 1991 and 1992.

"Foot stomping cheers" is a sub-category of children's cheerleader cheers that were composed, and informally performed mostly by Black American girls ages around 6-12 years. These types of children's cheerleader cheers were performed throughout the united States from the mid 1970s (but particularly the 1980s) to around 2007).

Foot stomping cheers have a distinctive are compositional structure. I coined the term "group voice/consecutive soloists" to refer to this compositional pattern. That term means that foot stomping cheers are supposed to start with the group's voice (i. e.The group except for the designated first soloist speaks first. The soloist's words alternate with the group's words and ends with the soloist's words (and movements), except for those cheers in which the group exactly repeats those words and those actions. That pattern immediately begins again from the beginning with the next soloist.

Soloists were usually chosen by the order in which the members of the group called out "first", "second", "third" etc. Each person in the group has the same amount of soloist time. Ideally, the cheer doesn't end until each person in the group has a soloist turn. Each soloist's turn is the exact same amount of time.

Remaining "on beat" is essential to performing foot stomping cheers. Each cheer has a signature beat pattern. A beat is like a metronome. The beat begins when the group begins chanting the words of the cheer and-at the same time- begins performing the synchronized stomp/clap movements of that cheer. Except for very rare cheers (such as "L.O.V.E"), once the foot stompers begin chanting, the beat pattern continues without change throughout the entire cheer.

Although I have no documentation of this point, because the words to specific cheers remain[ed] largely the same throughout Black American communities in the United States, I believe that the beat pattern for those cheers also remain[ed] the same regardless of the city or state where those cheers are/were performed. Which beat is/was performed for a foot stomping cheer depends/depended on that particular cheer. One basic foot stomping beat pattern is "stomp, clap, stompstompclap". Another widely used cheer pattern is "stompstomp clap, stomp stomp clap". (This is the beat to Queen's record "We Will Rock You".)  During the soloist's turn, the other members of the usually informal foot stomping group "kept the beat" i.e. continued performing that cheer pattern.

In my observations*, these cheers were performed as part of the informal recreational play of Black girls, ages around 6 years to around 12 years. These girls were pretending to be cheerleaders outdoors during school recess, or outdoor or indoors after-school. Usually, there wasn't any  formal audience for these cheerleading performances, although other children (and adults) might watch the girls perform. cheers weren't written down. Girls learned the cheers by watching the performances of others who knew them. Because the entire cheer had to start again from the beginning if anyone "went offbeat" [in the synchronized foot stomping/hand clapping routine or messed up a word because they waited too long to say it, girls who didn't know a cheer were usually reluctant to attempt to perform it. 

Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUHe51IiOaM for a YouTube video of the "Shabooya Roll Call" cheer that is performed as part of the 2006 cheerleader movie entitled Bring It On: All Or Nothing. That clip is probably the most widely known example of a performance of a foot stomping cheer. However, I believe that the dancing/stepping that these three girls did while chanting that cheer was greatly exaggerated and therefore isn't an accurate documentation of the choreographed syncopated, foot stomping routines."...
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I observed and directly collected foot stomping cheers from the mid 1980s to 2009 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In the early 2000s I began collecting examples of foot stomping cheers by "surfing" the internet. One online source for these cheers was my no longer available cocojams.com website. That multi-page cultural website was online from 2001 to 2014 and received most of its examples of children's recreational rhymes, singing games, and cheers from children, pre-teens, and teenagers submitting examples via that site's easy to use content form.

The best online sources for examples of children's recreational rhymes, singing games, and cheers  used to be the discussion threads for YouTube children's videos of children's recreational rhymes. However, regrettable, in February 2019- without any warning that I was aware of- YouTube established a policy that disallowed discussion threads for almost all children's videos. That policy resulted in the immediate and total deletion of already existing comments  for those videos and no new discussion threads for subsequent children's videos. Fortunately, prior to that policy being enacted, I had archived some comments for the folkloric record from a few YouTube children's rhymes videos.

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Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUHe51IiOaM for a YouTube video of the "Shabooya Roll Call" cheer that is performed as part of the 2006 cheerleader movie entitled Bring It On: All Or Nothing. That clip is probably the most widely known example of a performance of a foot stomping cheer. However, I believe that the dancing/stepping that these three girls did while chanting that cheer was greatly exaggerated and therefore isn't an accurate documentation of the choreographed syncopated, foot stomping routines.

Also, click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/03/some-youtube-videos-of-foot-stomping.html for a pancocojams post entitled "Some YouTube Videos Of Foot Stomping Cheers (With Other Videos Of Similar Children's Stepping Motions & Routines)."

I use past tense in reference to foot stomping cheers because (based on my direct observation and based on the lack of current comments about these cheers and the lack of examples of current performances of these cheers, I believe that old foot stomping cheers are no longer performed [the same way that they were traditionally performed] and new foot stomping cheers don't seem to be created.

The BIG caveat for the above statement is that (usually unbeknown to the people chanting these cheers), a few old foot stomping cheers still live on as softball chants. However, although those softball chants have some of the same words as certain foot stomping cheers, they may not strictly adhere to the "every one in the group has a solo turn" that is an essential foot stomping cheer rule. Also, those softball cheers that originated as foot stomping cheers may not be performed the same way as "traditional" foot stomping cheers (i.e. with chanters standing in a circle or in a horizontal line performing a choreographed, syncopated foot stomping and hand clapping routine to a 4/4 metronome type beat.)

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The 2013 pancocojams post that is cited above includes a few YouTube videos of typical foot stomping routines  Here's one video that is embedded in that post:

SHOWCASE VIDEO entitled "STEP"



swtytwty9988 Jul 4, 2006 -snip-
"Stepping" (as characterized by its originators historically Black Greek letter fraternities and sororities) is very similar to performing foot stomping routines. Imagine that this girl is joined by a least one other girl, but more often with at least four other girls, all of whom are doing the exact same movements while chanting in a distinctive group/soloist pattern to the beat of their foot stomps, hand claps (and possibly also body patting movements.) That description is an example of foot stomping.
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SInce around 2007 it appears that composing and performing foot stomping cheers has died out, replaced by performing various other physical activities such as doing other cheers, including stomp and shake cheerleading (as actual members of these cheeerleader squads), performing steps (as actual members of strep teams), performing as members of drill teams, and/or performing Tik Tok dances with friends.at home and elsewhere.

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SOME EXAMPLES OF FOOT STOMPING CHEERS THAT INCLUDE THE WORD "FINE" WITH THE MEANING "PHYSICALLY ATTRACTIVE"

Lines in these example that include this meaning of the word "fine" are given in italics. 

A, B

ANGELS GO SWINGING
Group: Angels go swinging
angels go swinging!
angels go swinging,
Angels go Swinging!
Solo: My name is Katy
I'm number 1
my reputation has just begun
so if you see me just step aside
'cause me and my man
don't take no jive
Group: Uh, you thank (think) you bad
Solo: Bad enough to make you mad
Group, Uh, you thank you cool
Solo: Cool enough to go to high school
Group: Uh, you thank you fine
Solo: Fine enough to MO,
fine enough to Macho (not really sure what this line means or if we were even saying it right)
fine enough to hula hoop,
fine enough to kick yo' duke

Everyone: say what, say what
say what say what say what
-Joi;( Birmingham, Alabama; 1990s), cocojams.com
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"cocojams.com" was the name of my multi-page cultural website that was online from January 2001-November 2014.Most of the examples of  recreational rhymes and foot stomping cheers on that site were contributed by children, pre-teens, and teenagers via an easy to fill out website form that didn't need an email address.

"Angels Go Swinging" is a variant form of the once widely known* foot stomping cheer "Hollywood Goes Swinging" (or similar titles). 

*among African American girls throughout the United States who performed foot stomping cheers

This contributor shared that "Angels" is the name of their sports teams at this Catholic school that is predominately African American in attendance.

"Fine" here is African American Vernacular English word that means "looking good" (physically attractive)

The word "thank" may not be a typo. Instead, it might be a purposefully spelled (present tense) intensifier of the word "think" which means “Really think”.

I'm no sure what "Mo" means. My guess is that it's an abbreviation for "macho".
Oxford dictionary indicates that "macho" is an adjective that means "
showing aggressive pride in one's masculinity."  

Foot stomping cheers almost always were performed by girls. Therefore that definition wouldn't apply. Also, in this foot stomping cheer "macho" is a verb. My guess is that in the context of that cheer, the word "macho" means to "fight" (i.e. the girls are stating that they look good AND they can fight if they need to (or want to).
 

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CHECK
Soloist: My name is Shelly
Others: Check
Soloist: They call me Shell
Others: Check
My horoscope is Aquarius
Others: Aquarius
Soloist: If you don't like
Others: Check
Soloist: Without a dial*
Others: Check
Soloist: Just call my number
and check me out.
Others: Check her out
Soloist: Cause I am fine.**
My number is 222-888***
Others: Check
Soloist: That fellow is mine **
Cause I know how to skate
Others: Well alright
Well alright
-Shelly H. (African American female, Cleveland, Ohio, mid 1980s), collected by Azizi Powell, May 2007; foot stomping cheer

Directions: Repeat cheer from the beginning with the next soloist. That soloist says her name & nickname, and gives her astrological sun sign ("horoscope") and her phone number. In the " I like to ___" line, that soloist indicates what she is good at doing ("sing", "dance", "draw"). This pattern continues with the next soloist until everyone has had one turn as the soloist.

* "If you don't like without a dial" probably means "If you don't like it without a doubt"
** "Mine" and "fine" were elongated and sung-"my -i-i-n" ;"fi-i-i-n"
***This number refers to a telephone number. I changed the number for privacy purposes.

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G, H

HELLO
H-e-l-l-o,

we are here

to say hello to Mocha

Mocha is my name

and cheering is my game

Pink and purple are my colors

don't you worry 'bout my lovers.

(Uhm she think she bad)

Correction baby, I know I'm bad.

(Uhm, she think she cool)

Cool enough to steal your dude.

(Uhm, she think she fine)

Fine enough to blow his mind.
-Miss Mocha,03-28-2003  http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=31403&page=5, 
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This cheer is a variant form of "Hula Hula". That cheer (with multiple titles) appears to have been widely known among African American girls who performed foot stomping cheers. Note the similar words in some other cheers that are included in this pancocojams compilation.
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 Another woman in that discussion thread wrote this comment about that example:

"OHHHH Thank you Miss Mocha for this chant!

This one takes me BACK!!!! *lol* WAYY! BACK!!!
I remember doing this chant during recess in the third grade!"
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WARNING- Some examples of rhymes in that discussion thread include explicit sexual content . None of those examples are given in this pancocojams compilation.

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HOLLYWOOD 
Words ------------------------------------------Basic Motion

Hollywood got Meeca-----------------------in pairs, in two lines, retreating

Hollywood got Meeca-----------------------right rocks back, left in place

Hollywood got Meeca-----------------------right in place, pause, clap

And always do--------------------------------repeat until the end

 

[Meeca]

Well, it looks like me got number 20

Watch the power of the money

if you see me on the street

Hey girl you better speak

 

[all]

 

Hey you think you bad

 

{Meeca]

Me? I know I’m bad

 

[all]

Hey you think you cute

 

[Meeca]

Cute fine sexy too

 

[all]

 

Hey you think you fine

[Meeca]

I’m fine I’ll blow your mind

 

[109

I got a man, he’s twenty-nine

Tic tac Paddy whack

Who you think you looking at?

A-B-C-D- Gonna have a baby

 

Reese’s pieces butter cup

If you next U wish you luck

 

[all]

Hollywood got Licia

Hollywood got Licia

Hollywood got Licia

And always do

 

[Licia]

Well, it looks like me got number 4

Watch the prowler at the door

if you see me on the street

Hey girl you better speak to me

 

[all]

 

Hey you think you bad

 

[Licia]

Least I pick my maxi pad

 

[all]

Hey you think you cute

 

[Licia]

Least I’m not a prostitute

 

[all]

Hey you think you fine

[Licia]

I’m fine I’ll blow your mind

I got a man, he’s twenty-nine

Tic tac Paddy whack

Who you think you looking at?

A-B-C-D- Gonna have a baby

 

Reese’s pieces butter cup

If you next U wish you luck

- From Recess Battles: Playing Fighting, and Storytelling edited by Anna R. Beresin (University Press of Mississippi, Jackson, 2010, pages 108-109, in the section of that book whose sub-title is "Steps"), African American girls, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, (1992)

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HOLLYWOODS ARE SWINGING
Hollywoods are swingin, Hollywoods are swingin
My name is Kisha and I’m cool in the gang
If you don’t like it, I’ll tell you one thang,
My sign is Aquarius and that’s alright,
Cause all ‘quarius are dynomite
Others: Uhn, she think she bad
Me: Bad enough to kick yo bleep (I used to say bleep for real back in the day)
Others: Uhn, she think she fine
Me: fine enough to blow yo mine
Others: Ah girl, stop yo lyin’ you know yo man leave you cryin
Hollywoods are swingin, Hollywoods are swingin


I know some more, but that’s it for now.

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HOLLYWOOD IN MY SWINGING
Hollywood in my swinging...hollywood in my swingin

hollywood in my swinging...hollywood in my swingin

My name is Goddess! and I'm Kool and the Gang..
and if you don't like it let me tell you one thang...
my sign is a scorpio and that's alright
cus all scorpios are dynomite!

homegirls: uh! she think she bad
me: hush honey I know I'm bad

Homegirls: uh! she think she cool
me: cool enough to steal your dude

homegirls: uh! she think she fine
me: fine enough to blow your mind


homegirls: aw girl stop that lyin
me: at least my man didn't leave me crying

(repeat until everyone gets a turn)
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GODDESS!, Aigust 18, 2006, https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/hood-cheers.43158/ "Hood Cheers"
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WARNING- Some examples in this discussion thread include sexually explicit rhymes and/or profanity. None of those examples are included in this pancocojams compilation.  

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HULA HULA (Version #1)
Hula hula

Now who thinks they bad

Hula hula

Now who thinks they bad

I think I’m bad

‘Cause Acie my name

And toys is my game

Take a sip of my potion

And dance in slow motion

Uh-huh

She thinks she bad

Baby baby don’t make me mad

Un-huh

She thinks she cool

Baby baby don’t act a fool

Uh-huh

She think she sweet

Sweetest person you ever meet

Uh-huh

She thinks she fine

Baby baby I’ll blow your mind
-Barbara Michels and Bettye White, Editors: Apple On A Stick, The Folklore of Black Children (Putnam Juvenile; First Edition November 11, 1983)
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This is the earliest example of this sub-set of this rhymes and foot stomping cheers.

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HULA HULA 
(Version #2)
Group: Hula Hula.
Who think they bad?
Soloist #1: I do
Group: Hula Hula
Who think they bad?
Soloist #1: I do
Well, I think I’m bad cause
Cara’s my name
and love is my game.
I got this boy on my mind
and Lord knows he’s fine.
I got his name on my shirt
and don’t call it dirt.
Group: Ooh, she thinks she’s bad.
Soloist #1: Correction, baby I KNOW I’m bad.
Group: Ooh, she thinks she’s fine.
Soloist #1:Fine enough to blow YOUR mind.
-Tazi M Powell (African American female), Pittsburgh, PA, memories of mid. 1980s 

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I, J

JUMP IN JUMP OUT (Version #1)
I remember this from a show i watched:

jump in jump out turn yourself around. jump in jump out
introduce yourself my name is keisysha. what. i'm nine
huh. and i'm so fine everyday of my life. everyday of her life.

and you go on until everyone gets a turn. and don't forget to rhyme.
have fun. but i wish i new more but i'm only 12. bye and keep sending chants.
-db, 3/08/2006, cocojams.com

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JUMP IT JUMP OUT
 (Version #2)
Jump in jump out, turn yourself about
Jump in jump out, introduce yourself...

My name's Dale Gribble
I went to school
A freaky school
I went to the bank
To see yo' mane
He said I was F-I-N-E, FINE as I wanna be
F-I-N-E, FINE as she wanna be
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CarthageRose, Aug 9, 2013, https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/ghetto-childhood-rhymes.553524/ Lipstick Alley.com "Childhood Rhymes"
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WARNING- Some examples of rhymes in that discussion thread include explicit sexual content and/or profanity. None of those examples are given in this pancocojams compilation.

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JUMP IN THE CAR 
I was reading some of these examples and I remember doing alot of them being that im only 17...sooo heres one that i remember playing around 95'-96'...

Jump in the car Jump in the Car (CLAP 3X)
Step on the gas (CLAP 3X)
Move to the side, and let (name) pass
Eh-Hey, Ooh Ahh Lookin at Lady,
Ooh-Ahh Aint she fine,
Ooh Ahh Betta not touch her,
Ooh-Ahh Cuz She'll blow your mind!
Turn around (CLAP 3X)
Touch the ground (CLAP 3X)
i said a get a get a get a get on down Say what!?
A get a get a get a get on down

Here's the setup of the game: the kids who are playing have to stand in two lines like soul train... when they say "jump in the car" everyone jumps once then claps..."step on the gas" everyone stretches out their right foot and stomps it down...."move to the side"...everyone moves back...and let (NAME) pass" the first person in the line goes down the middle and does a dance while the other kids say "ooh ah lookin at lady, ooh ahh aint she fine, ooh ahh betta not touch her, ooh ahh cuz she'll blow your mind. ...when they say "turn around" the girl in the line turns..."touch the ground" the same girl touches the ground...then " i said a get a get a get a get on down" the girl has to get down as low as she can...when the person in the middle is done, the next person goes.
-MeLLi ; 5/12/2007; cocojams.com
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K, L

L.O.V.E. (Version #1)
All: L-O-V-E. [clap]
L-O-V-E. [clap]
L-O-V.
L-O-V.
L-O-V-E.[clap]

Soloist #1: Well, Kayla’s my name. [clap]
And love is my game.[clap]
I got this boy on my mind [clap].
And Lord knows he’s fine. [clap]
He calls me his girl. [clap]
His number 1 girl.[clap]
I don’t know his sign, [clap]
But Taurus is mine. [clap]

All: L-O-V-E. [clap]
L-O-V-E. [clap]
L-O-V. 
L-O-V. 
L-O-V-E. [clap]

Soloist #2: Tamika's my name. [clap]
And love is my game. [clap]
I got this boy on my mind. [clap]
And Lord knows he’s fine. [clap]
I got his name on my shirt. [clap]
And don't call it dirt.[clap]
Don’t you worry bout my lover. [clap]
Cause there is no other. [clap]


(Return to beginning and repeat with a new soloist. That soloist repeats the same verses or similar verses. This pattern continues until everyone in the group has had one turn as the soloist with this cheer.)
-Tazi.M.Powell.(African American female; remembrance of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in the mid 1980s; performed by African American girls ages around 8-12 years old;, collected by Azizi Powell (I interviewed my daughter about this cheer in 1996 although I had observed it performed by Tazi and her friends in the 1980s.)
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Here's what my daughter shared with me about how she and her friends performed this cheer*.

The movement routine for "L.O.V.E" differs from the other foot stomping cheers that my daughter (given here as "T.M.P." and her friends showed me). My daughter wrote down these performance instructions for me on October 28, 2018:

1.Right leg stomp forward - for the letter "L"

2. Jump open with both legs - "O"

3. Jump close with both legs -"V"

4. Right leg stomp forward" - "E"

Then clap your hands one time. 

Continue this pattern for the entire cheer.

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L-O-V-E (Version #2)
I am a 25 year old African American woman from Eastern North Carolina.

The section on the chant L-O-V-E caught my attention we used to do this
when I was younger. We would stand in a circle and we would clap our hands and stomp our feet sort of tapping out the words L- O-V-E.

Group: L-O-V-E, L-O-V-E, L-O-V, L-O-V, L-O-V-E
First Person: Erica's my name love is my game I got this boy on my mind
he's looking real fine he calls me his girl his number one pearl


Then you move on to the next person and they repeat the same thing
only with their name in place.
-name and posting date not known (I accidentally deleted this information when I retrieved this example from my no longer available cocojams website.]

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M, N

MY MAMA'S SHORT AND FINE (Version #1)
My mama's short and fine
She gotta butt like mine
and when she cross the street
the cars go beep, beep, beep
the cars go beep, beep, beep.
Break it down now....

I'm sure some booty shaking dance ensues.
-Bamboozled, 03-27-2003,https://greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=31403&page=4 

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MY MAMA'S SHORT AND FINE (Version #2)
My mama short and fine

She got a butt like mine

And when she cross the street

The cars go beep beep beep

The cars go beep beep beep

Break it down now

Kim Kardashian,Aug 9, 2013, https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/ghetto-childhood-rhymes.553524/page-2

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MY NAME IS ____ 
I learned this from my girl sara

My name is (enter your name)
and as u can see i the finest chick in Albany
im rough and though cant touch my stuff
I 
fly like a butterflie i sting like a bee thats why all the boys
tell me break it down shawty
-Samantha; 11/25/2008, cocojams.com

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MY NAME IS ____ AND I'M NUMBER ONE (Example #11) 

My name is Starr and I'm number one and my reputation has just begun. So, if you dont like it just step to the side Starr Marie Yanez don't take no Jive! Ugh...she think she bad. Correction baby, I know I'm bad! Ugh...she think she kool. Kool enough to steal your dude! Ugh, she think she fine. Fine enough to blow  your mind! Please girl...stop your lyin. At least my baby didn't leave me cryin!
-@MariahYanez, 2022; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VTsQ9Li4xk, "Black Girl Hand Games Magic! at the Smithsonian Folklife Festival 2019", Montgomery College, July 23, 2019
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Read "Hula Hula" for examples that are very similar to these "My Name Is _ and my reputation" cheers.

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MY NAME IS ___ ON THE PHONE 
SOLO: My name is Naomi on the Phone with my Daisy Dukes on

if you see me on the street boy you better speak to me.

GROUP: Oo she think she bad

SOLO: At least i use a wash rag

GROUP: Oo she think she cool

SOLO: Soap and water will do

GROUP:Oo she think she fine

SOLO: Fine Fine #9 take yo man anytime
, he took me out he brought me back he besta have my cadillac. he brought you 1 he brought me 2, married me and divorced you.
he taught me Karate and taught me Kung Fu. mess wit me
and i'll do it on you

GROUP: Bang Bang choo choo train
wind her up she'll do her thang

SOLO: I can't
GROUP:Why not

SOLO: I said I can't

GROUP:WHY NOT?
SOLO: I said my back is aching and my bra's too tight. my
booty's shakin from the left to the right
GROUP: Left Right Left Right yo mama is a ugly sight
-Naomi; 1/17/2007; cocojams.com; foot stomping cheer
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From https://www.apparelsearch.com/definitions/clothing/daisy_dukes.htm
"Daisy Dukes" are extremely short, form-fitting, denim cut-off shorts worn by young women, particularly in the American South. They were so named after the character of Daisy Duke (portrayed by actress Catherine Bach) in the early 1980's American television series, The Dukes of Hazzard.

The appearances on the television show created a nationwide craze in the United States. Young women clamored for the risqu shorts, and even after twenty years they are still associated with, and referred to by the name of, the character of Daisy Duke."
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As a correction to that write-up, actually, "Daisy Dukes" shorts were worn and are still worn by females of all races/ethnicities in all regions of the United States

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O, P

OOOLy GOOLY*
oooly gooly who think they bad (me me!)

oooly gooly who think they bad

well meika is my name love is my game, that's why the boys vote for me....

im sexy as can be!

(ohh she think she bad)

bad bad don't make me mad

(ohh she think she cool)

cool enough to steal yo dude

(ohh she think she fine)

fine fine blow yo mind, steal yo ***** anytime don't sweat baby yet cuz I aint stole (insert crush name) yet

 

I still cringe cuz I would hit that last line neck waggin and slayin chicks lol
-ms804rudnezz Aug 9, 2013 https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/ghetto-childhood-rhymes.553524/page-2 

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This is a variant form of the "Hula Hula Who Thinnks They Bad" foot stomping cheer. 

This is the way this cheer is given in that discussion thread. My guess is that the asterisks are used instead of a shortened form of the n word.

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Q, R

RAZZLE DAZZLE
Razzle Dazzle (all the girls are in a circle, one girl goes in the middle to sing)

my name is ____ i'm number 1,
my razzle dazzle has just begun
so if you see me better step aside
cause this bad girl don't take no jive
(everybody else in the cirle:) ooh. she thinks she's bad
correction baby, i KNOW i'm bad
ooh. she thinks she's fine
fine enough to blow YOUR mind
razzle dazzle uh huh uh huh
razzle dazzle uh huh.
WOO WOO razzle dazzle uh huh
uh huh razzle dazzle uh huh.
WOO WOO (repeat with everybody in the circle) "
-liz ; 6/22/2007, cocojams.com

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REALLY (Version #1)
All: Really
Ah Hah
Really.
Ah Hah.
Soloist #1: Really my name is Lisa.
Really my sign is Aries.
Group: Say what?
Soloist #1: Ah Aries.
Group: Say what?
Soloist #1: Cause I’m F-I-N-E fine.
Like a D-I-M-E. dime.
Don’t waste my T-I-M-E. time.
I’ll blow your M-I-N-D mind.
Cause I’m a pro.
Group: Say what?
Soloist #1: A  P-R-O.
Group: Say what?
Soloist #1: Cause I’m a triple P.
Triple R.
Triple O.
Sexy pro.


(Repeat entire cheer with next soloist until everyone has had a turn as soloist)
-Lillian Taylor Camp, African American girls 5-13 years old; African American boys 5-7 years from various Pittsburgh neighborhoods, PA, collected by Tazi M. Powell, 1991, 1992

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REALLY (Version #3)
Really uh huh really uh
huh really my name is
(say your name) really my sign is (say your sign)
say what a (say your sign) say what cause Im
f I n e fine like an d i m e dime dont waste my t i me
time Ill blow your m i n d mind
-Deajaih; Pittsburgh, PA, 2/21/06, cocojams.com

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REALLY (Version #4)
Hey Yall are takin me back!!!

Does anyone remeber the cheers we used to do?

 

Really uh uh really uh uh

Really my name is kisses

really my sign is scopio

say what

scorpio

say what

cause I'm more than a dollar I can make your boyfriend holler cause I'm sweet and fine like a bottle of wine cause I'm a pro

say what

a P R O

say what

I'm a triple P triple R triple O

a sexy pro.
-kisses (Milton, Florida, USA), 01-01-2001, http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=4123&page=3; Childhood chants and games

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S,T

SAPHISTICATED LADY (Version #1)
Sa-phistocated Lady! Thas me! Well my name's Chalant and I'm foxy fine, if you..mess wit me.. I will.. blow your mind.. I got.. hips to party..and I.. love my man.. if you.. try to take em' I'll do all I can.
-Chalant Aug 9, 2013, https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/ghetto-childhood-rhymes.553524/page-2 "Ghetto Childhood Rhymes"

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SOPHISTICATED LADY (Version #2)
Sophisticated Lady
Sophisticated Lady, that me
Sophisticated Mama, that's you
Well, my name is _________ and I'm foxy fine
If you tip me over I will blow your mind

and that's all I remember from that one
- IHEARTWRITING, http://nothingliketheninetys.blogspot.com/2008/08/etet.html, August 3, 2008 “I Heart The 90s”
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I reformatted this example to add a space between the last line of this "cheer"and the contributor's comment.
 
This example was categorized as a hand game, but the "Well my name is" line suggests that it's actually a foot stomping cheer.

Some cheers were later performed as hand clap games (i.e. "Hollywood Swinging" and "Gigalo" to name two examples). Therefore it's possible that this version of "Sophisticated Lady" was performed as a hand clap game.

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U, V

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W, X

WHO NOW (Version #1)
Who now, who now now now

Who think they bad

("I do!")

I think I'm bad because

_____ is my name

and love is my game

So take a sip of my potion

and we'll do it in slow motion!

("Oooo she think she bad!")

Baby, baby don't make me mad!

("Oooo she think she fine!")

Baby, baby I blow his mind!)

("Oooo she think she sweet")

Sweetest girl he'll eva meet!

 

((((....repeat with each girl around the circle.)))))
-old-tha ___. August 29, 2006, https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/hood-cheers.43158/page-2 "hppd Cheers"

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WHO NOW (Version #2)
Who now Who now, Now who think they bad

Who now Who now, Now who think they bad

I do

I know I'm bad cause Afro's my name

Uh Huh

Football's my game

Uh Huh


Black is my color dont u worry about my lover


Um she think she bad


Bad bad super bad, bad enough I know I'm bad


Um she think she tough


Tough tough super tough tough enough to kick your butt


Um she think shes fine


Fine enough to blow Eric's mind

Um she think she's cute

Cute enough to steal your dude
-
Afrochic (Memphis), 03-30,2003,https://greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=31403&page=5 "Greekchat forums
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Participants are members of historically Black Greek letter sororities from various states in the USA remembering their childhood rhymes and chees (from the 1990s?)

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Y, Z

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Thursday, March 30, 2023

How The Newly Created "Kick 'Em Out The Classroom" Game Reminds Me Of "Playing The Dozens", "Battle Rapping", And Some Black Children's Rhymes Such As "Yo Mama Don't Wear No Drawers"


ReliqueYeh, August 15, 2012

Let It Shine (2012) - Moment of Truth (Movie Version)  (HD) 

Disney channel !!

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part III of a three part pancocojams series about the rhyming game "Kick 'em Out The Classroom" (also known as "In The Classroom").

This post presents an example of the game "Kick 'em out of the classroom" that made up by commenters in a YouTube discussion thread about that game.

This post also presents showcases several Black performance arts/recreational activities that I believe significantly influenced the creation and the performances of the "Kick 'em out the classroom" freestyle rhyming game.

All of the performance arts and/or recreational activities that are mentioned in this post place a high value group participation, creative composition, fast thinking, and staying on beat. Sometimes these performance arts/recreational activities also place a high value on rhyming. In addition, many of these performing arts/recreational activities place a high value on insulting (dissing/roasting) another person who is participating in game, or other people present or not present during the game.

The Addendum to this post presents some comments from the discussion thread of the YouTuube video that is embedded in this post.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/03/wild-n-out-hip-hop-television-series.html for Part I of this three part series. That post presents information about the American television series Wild 'N Out and the "Kick em out of the classroom" game are included in this post along with a transcript of that first performance of that game (in October 2014). That transcript is based on the captions for the YouTube video of that first performance. That skit performance occurred in in 2014 on the television series Wild 'N Out.  

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/03/selected-comments-from-discussion.html  for Part II of this pancocojams series. That post showcases the same video as Part I. That post also includes some comments from the discussion for that video and some comments from the discussion thread of another video of a 2014 "Kick 'em out the classroom game".

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, entertainment. and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who were associated with Disney's 2012 "Let It Shine" freestyle Rap battle movie.

Thanks to all of those who are associated with Wild 'N Out's game "Kick em out of the classroom".
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Thanks to all of those who were associated with the 2012 movie that is showcased in this post and thanks to all of those who contributed to the Black cultural arts that are discussed in this post. Thanks also to all  those who are quoted in this post. 

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AN EXAMPLE OF "KICK 'EM OUT THE CLASSROOM" THAT YOUTUBE COMMENTERS MADE UP
From 
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDoL77N8Oqs Every Single Kick ‘Em Out The Classroom (Season 14) ðŸ‘Ÿ Wild 'N Out

Wild 'N Out, May 19, 2020  #WildNOut #MTV #AloneTogether

2020

T'challa Ware
"Wild'n out  be lit in the classroom"

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7. david frempong
"i dont really wanna sit in the classroom"

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8. n2smoove
"it’s the only game that still hit in the classroom"

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9. david frempong
"DJ-D-Wreck needs to quit in the classrom"

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10. T'challa Ware
"I'm be so legit in the classroom  @BigJoe707"

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11. T'challa Ware
"I'm  bringing the Heat in the classroom  @Yeimy Rodriguez"

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12. Starzella
"@T'challa Ware  I be eating some meat in the classroom"

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13. T'challa Ware
"Throw it out like  yeet in the classroom  @Starzella"

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14. Yeimy Rodriguez
"@T'challa Ware  hitman got big teeth in the classroom"

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15. 
T'challa Ware
"I be underneath in the classroom  @Yeimy Rodriguez"

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16. 9rimace
"Let’s start our own “In the Classroom”:

When the homework due in the classroom?

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17. Frederick Williams
"
Friday at 2 in the classroom"

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18. Tenia
"Frederick Williams might tie my shoe in the classroom"

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19. toniton seconde
"I'm sipping on a smoothie in the classroom"

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20. mynamegoeshere
"@toniton seconde  kick u out the classroom!!!!!!"
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Toniton seconde was kicked out of the classroom because that commenter wrote the word "smoothie" ,and that word doesn't rhyme with "due", "2", and "shoe". 

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THE INFLUENCE OF "PLAYING THE DOZENS" ON THE GAME "KICK EM OUT THE CLASSROOM

Excerpt #1
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dozens_(game)
"The Dozens is a game played between two contestants in which the participants insult each other until one of them gives up. Common in African-American communities, the Dozens is almost exclusively played in front of an audience, who encourage the participants to reply with increasingly severe insults in order to heighten the tension and consequently make the contest more interesting to watch.

Comments in the game may focus on the opposite player's intelligence, appearance, competency, social status, and financial situation. Disparaging remarks about the other player's family members are common, especially regarding their mother.[1] Commentary is often related to sexual issues, and this version of the game is referred to as the "Dirty Dozens".[2]

According to sociologist Harry Lefever and journalist John Leland, the game is played almost entirely by African-Americans; other ethnic groups often fail to understand how to play the game and can take remarks in the Dozens seriously.[note 1] Its popularity is higher among low-income and urban communities, but it is also found in middle-class and rural settings. Both men and women participate, but the game is more commonly played among men.[3]

Origins

The first academic treatment of the Dozens was made in 1939 by Yale-based psychologist and social theorist John Dollard, who described the importance of the game among African-American men, and how it is generally played. Dollard's description is considered pioneering and accurate.[4]

The Dozens is a "pattern of interactive insult" evident among all classes of African Americans, among men and women, children and adults.[5]

Usually two participants engage in banter, but always in front of others, who incite the participants to continue the game by making the insults worse."...

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Excerpt #2
From https://www.kcur.org/show/central-standard/2012-06-05/playing-the-dozens-a-history-of-raps-mama Playing The Dozens: A History Of Rap's Mama, Published June 5, 2012 
"'YO MAMA JOKES HEARD ON THIS PROGRAM:

- Your mama's so old she knew Basie before he could Count (our guest Elijah Wald, The Dozens)

 [...]

- Yo mama's so poor, someone threw a cigarette in her yard & she said, “Clap yr hands, stomp your feet, thank the lord, we got heat!" (Listener April)

 [...]

- 'Yo Mama's so stupid, 'yo mama's a mess, she got locked in a grocery store and starved to death! (Caller Rick in Wyandotte)"...

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THE INFLUENCE OF "RAP BATTLES" ON THE GAME "KICK EM OUT THE CLASSROOM 
Pancocojams Editor's Note: 
Nick Cannon, the host of the American television series Wild 'N Out, introduced the world to that series' newly created word game "Kick 'em out the classroom", During the 2014 season of that show, Nick Cannon repeatedly mentioned that this game is "takin it back to old school". In some later seasons, the groups that competed in  that game were named "the old school" and "the new school".  The "old school" that Nick Cannon was referring to is "freestyle rap battles".

Here's some information about freestyle rap battles  

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_rap
"Battle rap (also known as rap battling)[1] is a type of rapping performed between two or more performers that incorporates boasts, insults and wordplay.[1] Battle rap is often performed or freestyled spontaneously in live battles, "where MCs will perform on the same stage to see who has the better verses", although it can also appear on studio albums.[2]

Although never a battler himself, battle rap was loosely described by 40 Cal, previously a member of American hip hop collective The Diplomats, in the book How to Rap (2009) as an "extracurricular" display of skill, comparing it to the dunk contest in the NBA. Battle rap has been developed into highly organized league events drawing in significant revenue and attention, with events for battles usually being "sold out." Mainstream artists such as Diddy, Busta Rhymes, Drake, Joe Budden and Cassidy have attended or participated in battles to help increase their popularity.[2] Rap battles are often written and performed to impress crowds with technically inventive rapping,[3] and knowing a wide variety of rapping styles and a wide range of MCs as personal inspirations is recommended.[4] Various MCs have started out writing mostly battle raps and battling other MCs before releasing commercial records.[5]

History

Rap battle is generally believed to have started in the East Coast hip hop scene in the late 1980s.[6] One of the earliest and most infamous battles occurred in December 1981 when Kool Moe Dee challenged Busy Bee Starski – Busy Bee Starski's defeat by the more complex raps of Kool Moe Dee meant that "no longer was an MC just a crowd-pleasing comedian with a slick tongue; he was a commentator and a storyteller" thus, rendering Busy's archaic format of rap obsolete, in favor of a newer style] which KRS-One also credits as creating a shift in rapping in the documentary Beef.]

In the 1980s, battle raps were a popular form of rapping – Big Daddy Kane in the book How to Rap says, "as an MC from the '80s, really your mentality is battle format... your focus was to have a hot rhyme in case you gotta battle someone... not really making a rhyme for a song".[1] Battle rapping is still sometimes closely associated with old school hip-hop – talking about battle rapping, Esoteric says, "a lot of my stuff stems from old school hip-hop, braggadocio ethic".[9]

Starting in the early 2000s, Freestyle Friday is a watered-down battle segment on BET's popular show 106 & Park. Two rappers compete in a freestyle battle before the studio audience and three celebrity judges (the DJ sometimes acts as the 3rd judge). Each competitor alternates freestyling for 30 seconds in each of the two rounds (originally only 1 round when the segment first began). The rappers are not allowed to use profanities or sexually suggestive lyrics, punishable by disqualification. After the battle, the judges decide the winner, per majority vote.

 Eventually, battle rap moved to a format which is now the predominant form of battle rap, where two emcees battle against each other without a beat, trading prewritten verses in three-round battles. The impromptu aspect of battling still exists in the form of rebuttals, which are short rhymes (usually in the beginning of a verse) where an emcee either comments on something about their opponent that was thought up on the spot (for instance, making fun of the shirt they're wearing), or responds to something their opponent said during their previous round. While not as prominent as it once was, the art of rebutting is still respected by many as difficult to do correctly, and a sign of a well-rounded emcee.

 While many creative minds were battling and organizing battles in the early 2000s, Troy “Smack” Mitchell of Queens New York gathered battle rappers of hood renown including Serius Jones of New Jersey and Loaded Lux, Murda Mook and Jae Millz of Harlem, Smack began recording battles, printing and hand-selling the DVDs—a cutting edge technological and artistic hustle at the time."...
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Here are four comments about that freestyle rapping in that video from that video's discussion thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKsw4b3XZ7s  (Numbers added for referencing purposes only) :

1. Breyer, 2019
" “you’re the snake without the rattle, you’re the boat without the paddle, you’re the duck without waddle, you’re the horse without the saddle, the ranch without the cattle, the day without the shadow, son i think you should skedaddle” if someone actually freestyles this it would be so hard"

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2. Gerard Garcia, 2020
..."yeah the wordplay is awesome even though the diss lacks"

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3.  heisenburger, 2020
"That would be trash in an actual freestyle lmao"

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4. local oppboy, 2020
..."he's  right lol that verse  would be trash in an actual rap battle cos it's not direct u could say that about anybody."

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THE SIMILARITIES THAT AFRICAN AMERICAN CHILDREN'S RHYMES AND CHEERS HAVE TO THE GAME "KICK EM OUT THE CLASSROOM
Many African American originated recreational children's rhymes and cheers were influenced by "Playing The Dozens" rhymes. As such, these rhymes and cheers have similar text (word) patterns and performance elements as the newly (2019) introduced word game "Kick 'em out the classroom",  As I wrote above "All of the performance arts and/or recreational activities that are mentioned in this post place a high value group participation, creative composition, fast thinking, and staying on beat. Sometimes these performance arts/recreational activities also place a high value on rhyming. In addition, many of these performing arts/recreational activities place a high value on insulting (dissing/roasting) another person who is participating in game, or other people present or not present during the game."

Here are three examples of African American original recreational games or (foot stomping) cheers that have some elements that remind me of "Kick'em out the classroom":

1. Yo'  (Your) Mama Don't Wear No Drawers
http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2011/10/yo-mama-dont-wear-no-drawers
Here's an excerpt from that pancocojams post:
"I thought that the first time I read an example of "Yo Mama Don't Wear No Drawers" was a discussion thread of "Childhood Games & Rhymes" from the 1980s on an internet forum for members of various Black Greek lettered sororites. One of those women with the tag name Optimistic1 added this example to the mix:
"Yo mama don't wear no drawers. I saw her when she took em off. She threw them in the air...Superman said "I declare!" (We had a whole lot of sayings that came after the second line like...She threw them on the track and the train jumped 50 miles back)"
-Optimistic1, http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=4123&page, Illinois, 2000

-end of quote-
The words to that rhyme sounded familiar to me, but I couldn't remember where I had first heard them. Eventually, I remembered that I read a rhyme that was very much like a "Yo Mama Don't Wear No Drawers" in the 1938 short story "Big Boy Leaves Home" that is part of the Uncle Tom's Children collection of short stories by the African American writer Richard Wright. In that story, "Your Mama Don't Wear No Drawers" is described as "an old song", and the boys are said to be "cracking" meaning "making up insults". Depending on what state you live in "crackin(g)is also known as "dissin", "rippin" (on) or "snapin". Here's an excerpt of that story as sung by Big Boy and three other boys:
"The ol song goes something like this:

Yo mama don wear no drawers,
Ah seena when she pulled em off,
N she washed em in alcohol,
N she hung em out in the hall,
N then she put em back on her QUALL!"
- http://www.nbu.bg/webs/amb/american/5/wright/bigboy.htm

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[UPDATE: January 30, 2019]
Hat tip to Anonymous (Sheila), January 30, 2019 at 10:24 AM for sharing the information that this rhyme is found in Zora Neil Hurston's 1937 book Their Eyes Were Watching God, page 157 (the paperback version with an afterwords by Henry Louis Gates). Thanks, Shiela!"

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2. Concentration 64 [and similar titles]
http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2011/11/concentration-64-handclap-game.html

"CONCENTRATION 64 (Example #1)
I used to play a game called concentration
all the girls played it
it was like this

concentration(clap clap clap)
64(clap clap clap)
no repeat(clap clap clap)
or hesitation(clap clap clap)
I'll go first(clap clap clap)
you go last(clap clap clap)
the category is(clap clap clap)
______________ (fill it in your self.)

you slapped each others hands while you were saying the words and after the category name the person had to say something in that category without repeating what someone had already said or hesitating or they were out.
-Guest, just visiting ,Origins: Concentration (kids' game); http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=85915 ; 11/11/2011 (hereafter given as "Mudcat: Concentration game")"

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3. Hula Hula
http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/11/examples-of-hula-hula-razzle-dazzle.html

" "Hula Hula" is an introduction, bragging, and taunting/confrontational foot stomping cheer. The earliest example of this cheer that I've found is from 1983 (Example #1 given below)....

 HULA HULA
Hula hula
Now who thinks they bad
Hula hula
Now who thinks they bad
I think I’m bad
‘Cause Acie my name
And toys is my game
Take a sip of my potion
And dance in slow motion
Uh-huh
She thinks she bad
Baby baby don’t make me mad
Un-huh
She thinks she cool
Baby baby don’t act a fool
Uh-huh
She think she sweet
Sweetest person you ever meet
Uh-huh
She thinks she fine
Baby baby I’ll blow your mind
-Barbara Michels and Bettye White, Editors: Apple On A Stick, The Folklore of Black Children (Putnam Juvenile; First Edition November 11, 1983) [Houston, Texas]

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