mountcalvarypb, March 14, 2010.
County Line Primitive Baptist Church on HWY 212 in Milledgeville, GA
Pastor: Elder Tony Lee Goggins
Information about the Primitive Baptist denomination is found in the Addendum to this post.
Edited by Azizi Powell
This pamcocojams post showcases a YouTube video of African American deacons praying the old school way at a Georgia Primitive Baptist Church devotional service.
This post also presents some of the comments from that video's discussion thread about old school African American church devotional services.
The Addendum to this post presents some information about the Primitive Baptist denomination of the Christian religion.
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Thanks to all those who are showcased in this video and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2022/07/memories-of-african-american-old-school.html for the closely related pancocojams post entitled "Memories Of African American "Old School" Praying Deacons & Church Mothers".
WHAT DOES THE TERM "DEVOTIONAL SERVICE" MEAN IN THE CONTEXT OF AFRICAN AMERICAN CHURCHES (AND IN THE CONTEXT OF SOME OTHER CHURCHES)?
[This is my understanding of this term. Additions and corrections are welcome.]
In the context of African American churches and in the context of some other churches, "devotional services" are services that occur before the actual formal church service. The devotional services are led by church deacons and provide opportunities for people to testify about the relationship with God and deepen their relationship with God.
The devotional services helps fire up the church (i.e. bring down Holy Ghost fire) so the church members can stomp down the devil even before the actual church service.
SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD
Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.
1. DARRYL STOKES
"thats how we used to do it"
2. Darious L. Anderson
"Yes Sir... This remind me of a couple of years ago... I got the chance to visit my family church from way back in the slavery days... Tippettville, GA (Dooley Co.) Spring Hill Baptist Church... back in the middle of the woods on a dirt road!!! This kind of singing and praying is soul-stirring!!! "
3. Daryll Brown
"Talk to him Deac, Talk to him!"
"My uncle sings like this, every time he gets ready to preach...leaving us not knowing what he be say but the first letter...I lol"
5. JoeAnn Hall-Kennedy, 2017
6. Amanda, 2021
"😂 I miss those days. Church isn't the same"
7. Darius Slade, 2021
"His spirit needs no know words to speak to his savior"
8. Rashad Cunningham
"LOL!!! wow...it took me back...Still dont know what they are singing!!!!!"
9. Sharon Correll, 2019
"Rashad Cunningham the chanting and humming is lingering with the spirit and keeps the devil away ... tarrying with the spirit... just my thoughts!😀🙏🏾"
10. kimberly mclendon, 2021
"A charge to keep i have a god to glory fiery a never dyeing soul to save fill it for the sky"
"y'all need to come to my church we get this every Sunday at Beulah"
12. Johnny Lindsay Jr.
"yessuh common meter thats southern ol skool Im from Spartanburg South Carolina we still do that!!"
13. Sharon Correll
"Spirit filled ... so uplifting to my soul !
14. Darious L. Anderson
"Yeah that's how they do it and been doing it like that for years and years... OH yeah, that's that down south deep back in the woods, dirt road baptist sound. My heritage is in Dooley Co. Georgia... Spring Hill Baptist Church in Tippetville, GA. Nothing like it nowhere!!! Pray on Deacon!!!"
15. Damon Jones
"sometime we just need to put the drum and the piano and the mics down. not worrying about clapping or singing on beat. or waiting for bro or sista so and so to"set it off" . and just get a raw unscripted unrehearsed and holy spirit lead praise and prayer. I said it and I wont take it back ."
16. Tommie Phillips, 2019
"U had to cross the burning sand to be able to pray like that . All I m saying u have to be full of the holy ghost."
17 .My Name is Eve, 2020
18. Eva Abdullahi
"I grew up in the Baptist church listening to these devotionals and prayers. Always the men prayed like this. I just wanted my daughter to hear this. Thank you for posting this."
19. Erica, 2021
20. Bama Baker
"That good ole Dr. Watts"
21. Joey Jackson, 2021
"What is the name of this hymn"
22. Adrienne Wilson, 2021
"A charge to keep"
23. Ann Maire
"They need holy ghost fire to pray"
24. Cynthia Thompson
"Deacons don't pray like this anymore what a blessing to my soul"
25. Mrs. B For Life, 2019
26. Ellijah Raines
"if you hum the devil don't know what you sayin! yes suh, Pray Doc Pray Doc!!"
27. Joey Jackson, 2021
28. Lynese Doukoure
..."This is worship and calling on the holy spirit to come in a Do a mighty work within every open heart. I Love this.😊"
29. Ant Dell
"Lawd that moaning..."
30. Joey Jackson, 2020
"It does something to you"
31. Argerine Jordan
"Lord, this takes me back when i was a child growing up in the country. I miss those days. Those old school deacons knew how to pray!"
32. Got Rescued Auto
"MY DADS PARENTS WHERE PRIMITIVE BAPTIST IN KANSAS CITY, KS. I MISS THIS SOOOOOOO MUCH BECAUSE IT'S SOOOOOOO REAL WHEN THEY SING, PRAY, PREACH, DINNERS AND THEN FEET WASHING SERVICE."
"Oh how the times have changed! I remember growing up in the Baptist Church listening to the devotionals & prayers"
34. Kathleen Ramirez Wise
"Hello. This brings me so many tears of memories from where I used to go to a lil' old wooden church in the SE Texas country.
Lord, have mercy on me and saved by His grace. Amen Amen
35. deandre williams
"Grew up with prayer like this in South Mississippi"
36. Cassandra Byrd
"We now have Hip-hop Decon.Every knee shall bow.Jesus is Lord"
37. Deborah Riles
"Everything that’s considered to be old shouldn’t be thrown away. Moaning bench"
38. Marcus Tripp
"I love this. But why they used the cumm table for devotion. Where I'm from you don't put your hands our anything else on that table"
"Cumm table"= community table. [This abbreviation that isn't commonly used]
our= probably a typo for "or"
ADDENDUM: INFORMATION ABOUT THE PRIMITIVE BAPTIST CHURCH DENOMINATION
From https://projectilepluralism.wordpress.com/2012/05/19/missionary-baptists-vs-primitive-baptists/ MISSIONARY BAPTISTS VS. PRIMITIVE BAPTISTS by Charles Duffy, May 19, 2012
"Today’s random thought about religion in America is inspired by the road trip I took last weekend from Ohio to North Carolina. We passed I don’t know how many Baptist churches on the way. There was nothing really noteworthy about that, of course. But on two or three occasions, we passed a Primitive Baptist church and a Missionary Baptist church within a few hundred feet of each other. That piqued my attention. I wondered what juicy stories of local schism might explain that proximity. At the very least, you figure there must have been Sunday after Sunday of furrowed brows as people drove past the opposing church–deliberately staring straight ahead, perhaps, or alternatively glancing at the parking lot for a quick jealous car count (or buggy count, depending on how far back we’re talking).
....For those not familiar with this particular religious
conflict, Missionary Baptists and Primitive Baptists split in the nineteenth
century over whether or not to adopt newfangled modern institutions like Sunday
School and missionary societies. The Primitive Baptists rejected these because
they hadn’t been around in New Testament times. They were restorationists of a
sort, trying to recover the purity of the early, hence “primitive,” Christian
church. (The twelve apostles didn’t go around founding missionary boards…) The
Missionary Baptists were trendy innovators–at least what passed as trendy
innovation in the early 1800s. Think of them as an early nineteenth-century
equivalent to the evangelical churches of today that call themselves “worship
centers” or “faith centers” because they want to be current. We passed some of
those on the drive to North Carolina, too."....
"Primitive Baptists – also known as Hard Shell Baptists, Foot Washing Baptists or Old School Baptists – are conservative Baptists adhering to a degree of Calvinist beliefs who coalesced out of the controversy among Baptists in the early 19th century over the appropriateness of mission boards, tract societies, and temperance societies. The adjective "primitive" in the name is used in the sense of "original".
The controversy over whether churches or their members should participate in mission boards, Bible tract societies, and temperance societies led the Primitive Baptists to separate from other general Baptist groups that supported such organizations, and to make declarations of opposition to such organizations in articles like the Kehukee Association Declaration of 1827. The Kehukee Primitive Baptist Church released a proclamation that they rejected formal service institutions outside of the church. The declaration proposed that
"Upon examination, it was found that most of the churches had given their opinions; and after an interchange of sentiments among the members of this body, it was agreed that we discard all Missionary Societies, Bible Societies and Theological Seminaries, and the practices heretofore resorted to for their support, in begging money from the public; and if any persons should be among us, as agents of any of said societies, we hereafter discountenance them in those practices; and if under a character of a minister of the gospel, we will not invite them into our pulpits; believing these societies and institutions to be the inventions of men, and not warranted from the word of God. We further do unanimously agree that should any of the members of our churches join the fraternity of Masons, or, being members, continue to visit the lodges and parades, we will not invite them to preach in our pulpits, believing them to be guilty of such practices; and we declare non-fellowship with them and such practices altogether."
The official split between "Old School" and "New School" Baptists occurred during a meeting at the Black Rock Church on September 28, 1832 in Butler, MD. This became known as the Black Rock Address.
Primitive Baptist churches arose in the mountainous regions of the American South, where they are found in their greatest numbers.
African-American Primitive Baptist groups have been considered a unique category of Primitive Baptist. Approximately 50,000 African Americans are affiliated with African-American Primitive Baptist churches as of 2005. Approximately 64,000 people were affiliated (as of 1995) with Primitive Baptist churches in the various other emergences of Primitive Baptists.
Since arising in the 19th century, the influence of
Primitive Baptists has waned as "Missionary Baptists became the
Primitive Baptist practices that are distinguishable from those of other Baptists include a cappella singing, family integrated worship, and foot washing.
A cappella singing
Primitive Baptists generally do not play musical instruments as part of their worship services. They believe that all church music should be a cappella because there is no New Testament command to play instruments, but only to sing. ....
African-American Primitive Baptists may not share the
general Primitive Baptist opposition to musical instruments, however.
Family integrated worship
Primitive Baptists reject the idea of Sunday School, viewing it as unscriptural and interfering with the right of parents to give religious instruction to their children. Instead, children sit with their parents and participate in the church service just like the rest of the congregation."....
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