Mansa Mayne, June 27, 2022
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The portion of this video that includes content about South African names is from the beginning of this video to 5:42.
Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post showcases a Mansa Mayne YouTube vlog and presents some comments from that vlog's discussion thread and from two other Mansa Mayne vlog discussion threads.
The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural and onomastic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Mansa Mayne for promoting African music through his YouTube vlogs and thanks to Mansa Mayne for sharing his experiences in South Africa with the world. Thanks also to Mansa Mayne's brother and all others who are featured in this embedded vlog. Thanks also to all those who ae quoted in this post.
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BACKGROUND INFORMATION ABOUT MANSA MAYNE
Mansa Mayne is the self-coined name for an early thirty year old African American YouTube vlogger who became popular (particularly among Africans and even more so among people from the nation of South Africa) as a music reaction vlogger. Music reaction vloggers are people who play a music video-presumably for the first time- and share their reactions to that song/video. Music reaction vloggers also encourage their online viewers to share their reactions to that same video and their reactions to the vloggers' opinions about that song/video in the discussion thread of that vlog. Music reaction vloggers also encourage their viewers to recommend other songs/videos to showcase on their vlog channel.
In December 2021 Mansa Mayne visited the nation of South Africa for the first time. During that visit he switched his role from a music reaction vlogger to a travel vlogger. Travel vloggers are those who share scenes of their travels and share some of the experiences that they have during their travels.
In late June 2022 Mansa Mayne returned to South Africa accompanied by his biological brother Lionel. Both Mansa and Lionel documented that visit as travel vloggers. During the early part of that second visit, a Johannesburg, South African uber driver gave Mansa Mayne and his brother Zulu first names. Mansa was given the name "Sansele" and his brother was given the name "Siyabonga." Most of the comments in this August 2022 pancocojams post focus on some of the comments from discussion threads for three Mansa Mayne vlogs about Mansa using the Zulu name Sansele instead of the Twana name "Tsepho" that South African subscribers to his music reaction vlog had given him around two years ago. Additional comments in this post present origins and meanings for the Zulu name Siyabonga and for a few other South African names that were found in those discussion threads.
Also, click the "Mansa Mayne in South Africa" tag below for other pancocojams posts about that vlogger.
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Pancocojams Editor's Note [Added August 3, 2022]
I've focused on African American vlogger Mansa Mayne because of the linguistic and other cultural information about South Africa that I've found in his YouTube music reaction discussion threads and his YouTube travel discussion threads.
I've also focused on Mansa Mayne because I'm interested in the sociological/psychological ramifications of an African American young man who embraces aspects of a culture (or cultures) different from his own (i.e. South African amapiano music, dance and its associated lifestyles) and is treated like a celebrity when he visits South Africa, even though he doesn't appear to deeply understand the history and cultures of that nation.
I'm also interested in the ramifications of those South Africans who had/have treated Mansa Mayne as a celebrity inspite of what appears to me to his lack of deep knowledge and understanding of the indices and the dynamics of their cultures. What does that say about the South Africans who have so readily stanned this African American man because he embraced some aspects of their culture/s? Will they continue to stan him if he doesn't heed the information and explanations that some South African commenters have given him in these vlog discussion threads? (for instance the comments below about Mansa Mayne shucking the Sotho/Tswana name that had been given to him by his South African subscribers two years ago and replacing that with a Zulu name, perhaps because the Zulus are much more well known and have more cache among African Americans than other South African ethnic groups, i.e "Chaka Zulu". When called out because of this action, Mansa Mayne wrote that he was just joking and would still use his Sotho/Tswana name. That response then led to commenters chiding him that tribalism isn't a joking matter in South Africa.)...
I wonder if Mansa Mayne will go back to being a music reaction vlogger when he returns to the United States (a role that he excelled in), or if he will decide to relocate to South Africa where he is treated as a celebrity? We shall see what we shall see.
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SELECTED COMMENTS ABOUT SOUTH AFRICAN NAMES FROM THREE MANSA MAYNE VLOGS
All of these comments are from June 27, 2022 to August 2, 2022.
Numbers are added for referencing purposes only
DISCUSSION THREAD #1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjXsubRCgwc "my uber driver gave me a zulu name… I’m back in Jozi!", published by Mansa Mayne, June 27, 2022
These comments are from June 27, 2022 to August 2, 2022.
Numbers are added for referencing purposes only
1. Vivian Naledi
"What's popping Mansa Mayne in the streets of joburg another
day another week another Vlog yeah 🔥 it's lit fire,,, This
guy he got a New Zulu name Sanele 😂Mansa Mayne Tshepo
Senele,, Our celebrity Vloger...I feel like Scree Scree"
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2. Songezo-Ephraim Chiya
"the funny part is that the Uber driver's name is THEMBA,
which is a Zulu version of TSHEPO!!!"
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3. Jabu Mfuphi
"Nice one 🥺😍👌🏾 the Uber driver gave y'all beautiful meaningful names Sanele - you're enough or we are enough. Siyabonga - we are thankful"
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4. Cedrick Ngoetjana
"Sanele Mayne 🔥🙌🏽😅"
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5. P Ma Mbongwe
"But Sanele doesn't really have meaning in this case. I don't like it. The guy just gave you any name"
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6. Sankara Zulu
"Sipho is a suitable name... u gifted SA"
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7. Songezo-Ephraim Chiya
"the funny part is that the Uber driver's name is THEMBA,
which is a Zulu version of TSHEPO!!!"
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8. Mapaila Mbewe
"Right!!! 🤦♀️I dunno how I
overlooked that one 🤐"
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9. Linamandla Lizo
"😂😂😭"
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10. Unbothered Maverick
"He's a tribalist"
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11. P Ma Mbongwe
"@Unbothered Maverick how???"
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12. Unbothered Maverick
"@P Ma Mbongwe
there's nothing wrong with Tshepo, he gave them Zulu names because he's
zulu, without an understanding that he just translated the name unaware."
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13. P Ma Mbongwe
"@Unbothered
Maverick Im Zulu too and like
Tshepo more but did he know this before
giving them names? Ixoki la uMansa for saying "I'm ditching Tshepo" 😂"
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Google translate from Zulu to English: "Ixoki la uMansa" ="Mansa is a liar"
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14. Kekeletso Thekoeng
"😂😂😂 yea"
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15. Jeremiah 🇿🇦
"How ironic 🤣🤣🤣🙄🙄🙄"
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16. Ayanda Portia
"@P Ma Mbongwe I think he just loves Zulu Name"
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17. Ms P 🌻
"You can't be Sanele man. SA gave you a name and you changing
it bcoz of Themba 😨?
Siyabonga is a good name for your bro. Mr charmer boy, Siya
for short."
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18, Hlanganani Chauke
"You still Tshepo from limpopo 🤣🙈😊"
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19. La'Mash
"@Mansa Mayne South Africa is a diverse country,if you wanna make everyone happy here don't include cultures just enjoy South Africa without making it like you are praising cultures we South Africans knows that this culture "Zulu" their people are too proud,egotistical and look down on other cultures in SA because they believe they are superior than other cultures/languages,so when you post anything that is of their culture because they are egostic people they tend to think you like them more than the rest of other cultures then they tend to show their ego and arrogance like I saw some already calling you "Zulu" but before that with Tshepo you were just been called "South African" make everyone happy don't drop Tshepo which is Sotho-Tswana name (Sotho,Pedi and Tswana) You might not know but yes Zulu people are arrogant in SA they like starting fights,they think they own SA which has 9 provinces and 11 or more languages of which we just keep quiet Soloko sithule sibekile🤔 si yi South Africa a bunch of Kzn people are the ones who does more of that than the Zulus in Mpumalanga and Gauteng because Kzn is mainly Zulu and they dont know how it is to mix with other cultures,because they are so closed in that cave of KZN all they see is Zulu and all they date is Zulu,
I'm in Gauteng I am from a certain culture I won't mention but I'm dating Zulu not from Kzn but from Mpumalanga and our child is from both cultures and has names in both cultures and speak two of those languages ,so when you say you are dropping Tshepo some Zulus because they always think they are the "thing" they boost and all of a sudden you are Zulu?...why when you were called Tshepo everyone was like "You are SouthcvAfrican now luckily Sotho-Tswana people don't like drama,not boostful and not emotionally unstable.How about you take both names without ditching the other? and I know this comment is gonna hurt them who are emotionally unstable and they gonna start insulting me but I don't have time to read yall comments I was talking to Mansa here,because seems he doesn't know who Zulu people are and how they act like those people are vultures Mansa
THANK YOU 😊
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20. Mansa Mayne
"I was joking. Lol don’t take me serious please 🥲 I’m still Tshepo"
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21. La'Mash
@Mansa Mayne thank you but please know Zulus don't joke they tend to think they are very important in South Africa they can become tribalist very bully culture."
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22. DIY Crafts+ Hacks 101
"La'Mash you are not wrong,I hate division matter of fact is that he is in South Africa and South Africa is diverse but when you know you know some people are starting to call him Zulu just to cause chaos 🙄"
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23. La'Mash
"@DIY Crafts+ Hacks 101 I had to air their dirty laundry,when they see visitors they tend to act innocent but it doesn't take long for them to reveal their behavior very very bully so glad my man is different maybe because he is from Mpumalanga they mixed in Mpumalanga"
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24. Olwethu Khuzwayo
"Don't make it seem like every Zulu person is arrogant and proud
Rather than says Zulu people say SOME Zulu people because it's not all of us
Every tribe has proud and arrogant people
Singling out zulus will make you look like tribalist
Kodwa ke angilwi 🚶🏾♀️"
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Google translate from Zulu to English:
"Kodwa ke angilwi 🚶🏾♀️"= "But I'm not fighting 🚶🏾♀"
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25. Sie Zulu
"Thank God ❤ tired of the Tshepo name 😂 SANELE 👏 tbh Mansa deserve SIYABONGA name cause we're thankful for what he does 🤷🏾♀️ but Sanele is cool too 😎"
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26. Nokukhanya Wanda
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27. DiversNoble
"TSHEPO ARMY WILL MISS MANSA 🧍🏾"
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28. Thandeka Ndebele
"But honestly u look like a Tshepo though"
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29. Ntando Xulu
"Arican names have meaning depending on the situation the name is given
Like if a family have been trying to have a baby for a long time when it finally arrives the name becomes syabonga because its like we are grestful and thankful to god"
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30. WalkWithOrr
"🙆 Eish! The driver wanna cause war of names😅🙈"
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31. SPICE FIX
"You know this culture has a problem"
32. Qhawe
"Sanele your nickname is Sandza ❤️"
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33. Ellard Birons
"Sounds like a girl name sanele 😆"
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34. Zanele Mpanza
"Noooh galz are Zanele 😂😂😂"
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35. Lulonke Lulo
"Sanele mean's we are tired"
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36. Hle Lee
"No, in a name it means we are enough
normally it's parent who are giving birth one gender let's says boys only then
the last born boy is called Sanele"
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37. Thobeka's Lifestyle
"Actually it means we are complete 😂😂.
Same as Sphelele. In Xhosa yes, Sonele is "we are tired"
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38. zanele
"@Thobeka's Lifestyle So when you name a baby as Sanele and
Sphelele you mean you are tired?😂😂😂In Zulu those are
beautiful names.They mean "We have finally gotten what we've been longing for🤗"
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39. Qhawe
" @Thobeka's Lifestyle No it means we are in enough. Doesn’t mean we
are tired 😂"
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40. T Mash
" @Qhawe
It can mean both, depends on the context"
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41. TOP 10 AFRICA
"It means we are satisfied"
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42. Mampuru Rantlha
"You have two names now, don't cancel the other, you are
Tshepo Sanele, both names are powerful Tshepo means Trust 👊🏿"
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43. Palesa Mogorosi
"No, you are Tshepo. 😯"
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44. God'sBabe Born-again
"The betrayal to the Sotho tribe is real 😳
I'm also shocked."
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45. Zipporah Your Explorer 👣
" @God'sBabe Born-again There's no betrayal here. Allow the guy to
have his own preference, we don't own him. Let's keep in mind that it was Nasty
C who inspired his YouTube career, no naturally he'll be drawn towards his
tribe. It's really not that deep, just simple."
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46. DIY Crafts+ Hacks 101
"@Zipporah Your Explorer 👣 true but he must use both names not to ditch
the other."
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47. tumelo mothoa
"U will always be our Tshepo 🥰"
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48. Sinethemba Buthelezi
"So you have a Tswana name (Tshepo) and
now a Zulu name (Sanele)😂😂 what about a Xhosa one?😂"
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49. Hope Buhali
"His Xhosa name is Xolani or Vuyo maybe. 🤭"
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50. Sinethemba Buthelezi
"@Hope Buhali
I don't think he's be able to pronounce Xolani but Vuyo is alright😂
it even suits him😅"
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51. mduduzi ngwenya
"Andile although it has a similar meaning
to Sanele if I'm not mistaken"
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52. loxymandles
"@mduduzi ngwenya Andile means we have expanded and Sanele is
the ending. We are content"
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53. Ma Mbongwe
"@Hope Buhali
nah, don't give him one that is also Zulu. Go for Yanga and Vuyo etc"
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54. Sesotho
Music Hub
"Mansa you are Tshepo ..! Leave the battle of Zulus and
Sothos to us bro🤣🤣🤣!!
Welcome back to Jozi!"
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55. Rshozi son za
"Zulu name ohoo yeah you got de vibe mansa 🐐🎯"
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56. Nthabiseng Masia
"No, you can't change the name Tshepo, the ancestors will be Sad, that name means
Hope."
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57. R DA-GAMA
"Syabonga its my favourite south African name!"
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58. Ntando Xulu
"African names have meaning depending on the situation the
name is given
Like if a family have been trying to have a baby for a long
time when it finally arrives the name becomes syabonga because its like we are
grestful and thankful to god"
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59. Maggie Sebeso
"Nah u still Tshepo..aka Themba..."
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60. Hlengiwe Kunene
"TshepoThemba lol"
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61. P Ma Mbongwe
"Tell your brother he's Siya"
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62. Precious Mwanika
"Sanele suits you as a well"
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63. Thapelo Maboea
"Themba is Tshepo in (Tswana,Sepedi and Sotho ) he could have
translated it 😅😅"
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64. Nkululeko Cele
"Division gallore bru, why you ditching the Twana name😂😂😂😂😂😂✅
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65. Coco X
"Fun fact: Most ZULU names are actually a prayer/message
(uMthemelezo) directed to God or ancestors. Parents typically name their kids
by their own feelings and their experience during the pregnancy or birth.
If your name is Siyabonga - that means your parents/family
were GRATEFUL for you.
And Sanele - means your parents/family were FULLFILLED after
your birth, most Saneles are last borns or they were supposed to be last borns."
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66. Pam Lemmen
"You naled it Sisi 💯"
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67. Mapaila Mbewe
"I guess in this case
Sanele means (Mansa Tshepo Sanele
has show cased south Africa to the world beyond believe he has broken
all the stereotypes about South Africa and Africa as whole so we r enough
sanele u have done your bit is up to the rest of the world to experience the
rest of Africa or not u have done your part I salute mansa Tshepo Sanele u r
blessed & unique stay humble the rest of your fans wish we can invite u
individually to our humble abode but unfortunately we can't but seeing you on
every social platforms is enough ❤️❤️❤️❤️🥰🥰🥰.
WE Thank you 🙏🏿"
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68. JT Talbert
"Sawubona Siyabonga! Glad you got an SA name now! You were
well overdue for one. Lol My SA name is S’fiso (means wish) which was given to
me by my friend Buli in 2019."
69. Unathi Tolbart
"I saw your surname and i was shook my surname is Tolbart but
it’s rare in SA it’s always Tolbert or Talbert"
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70. JT Talbert
"@Unathi Tolbart our surname has had variations over the
years."
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71. Frank Baloyi
"you are still Tshepo to me. that uber driver just doesn't
want to share the same name with you. Themba means Tshepo"
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72. WalkWithOrr
"😅😅the battle of
languages Sotho vs Zulu."
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73. bree
"Lol😂😂😂not mansa abandoning our sotho name for sanele
yoo"
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74. Nozipho Nxumalo
"🤣🤣🤣 Mansa
loves the Zulu culture muxoleleni"
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Google translate from Zulu to English: "muxoleleni"= "forgive him".
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75. tumelo mothoa
"He will always remain our Tshepo 😂"
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76. Hlengiwe Kunene
"@tumelo mothoa you're correct haya Limps ke Tshepo haya kzn
ke Sanele 🤣🤣🤣
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Google translate from Sepedi to English: "I’m from Limps, I’m from Tshepo, I’m from KZN, I’m from Sanele"
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Here's what I think that sentence means in standard American English -"If I'm from Limpopo, I'll call him Tshepo. If I'm from KZN (Kwa Zulu Natal), I'll call him Sanele."
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77. Sthe_ZAR
"It is what it is,he literally said no more of that other name,
he's name is Sanele 🔥."
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78. Sthe_ZAR
"This guy 🤣,no more Tshepo, I'm Sanele now I'm Zulu 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣."
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79. Thandeka zulu
"Sanele means Enough and Syabonga means
"we thank you". You'll are
enough, you are Kings and we are thankful to you for showing our country to the
world❤️❤️"
"5:11 😂😂😂
"Siyabonga" the name of a person means; we are grateful (or
thankful). She explained it well. Siyabonga's are generally good people."
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81. Mthobisi Khumalo
"They are very good people... lol but can
be baaad at times especially when you shorten their name to "Siya..."
🤣🤣🤣"
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82. Mbalenhle Macaringue
"O MaSiya😂😂😂"
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83. Cebo88
"@Mthobisi
Khumalo A Siyabonga stole my merc and
wrote it off. I've since hated that name."
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84. Siya Nxumalo
"Impela Zwide kunjelo, singabantu aba right kakhulu."
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Google translate from Zulu to English: After all, we are very righteous people.
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85. Siya Nxumalo
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86. Siboniso Brian
"Did you know that Sun El Musician is also Sanele"
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87. Sthe_ZAR
"Yup 🔥"
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88. Bellina Phokwane Motaung
"Hey Mansa... welcome to Jozi again. As a South African you
can have up to four names from each ancestral clan you belong to. You are
officially now Mansa Tshepo (Hope) Sanele (Content)."
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89. Purify Moore
"Mansa Tshepo Sanele Mayne is in the building 😍😊"
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90. Owethu Fisokuhle
"Sanele your name is for male , Zanele is
a female name dont miss pronounce them
lol"
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91. Mat Shep
"I still vibe with Tshepo ✌✌"
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92. tumelo mothoa
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93. Hlanganani Chauke
"Me too"
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94. Sanele Cabe
"I am honored to share the name with you Mansa 🤣👊🏾"
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95. Lucky Mnisi
"Let me help you pronounce mybe...Sanele(Sun-nel-eh)"
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96. Mpho Sithole
"Dear Mansa, nope I will continue to call you Tshepo, you can
continue to be Sanele but Tshepo (Hope) it is for me you brought hope globally
which is so inspiring. MphoS"
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DISCUSSION THREAD #2
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78TEg3ho0GY "I had some of the best braai meat in Johannesburg!", published by Mansa Mayne, Jul 2, 2022
1. Gertrude Sihlangu
"Hi Sanele, please don't forget that your first south African name is Tshepo, before Sanele, I.... it is the name that "we the SA fans who started with you", when you started reacting to SA music when you used to to introduce yourself as "Mansa Honco",... we gave you your SA first Sotho name out of love, please don't forget that,... Not that I have anything against Sanele but please don't forget your first SA name... TSHEPO❤️😍😍😍🔥🔥🔥🇿🇦💯"
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2. P Ma Mbongwe
"Hahahahahahahahaha. Why dies it even matter guys? I know Zulus our here wouldn't even mind if it was the other way around but I get that Tshepo goes way back"
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3. Sisi Me
"I like that you said hi Sanele😂😂"
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4. Ntsika Mkhize
" @Sisi Me uyaz naye ukuthi usanele lo 🤣🤣"
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Google translate from Zulu to English: "He knows that this is enough"
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5. Tshepi
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6. ACCOUNT RETIRED
"Oh how petty and cringe"
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7. Sthembile Nxumalo
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8. zgm kwambo
"Ah our Zulu boy,welcome to Zulu nation Sanele 😄"
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9. Lalina
"Great vlog! Keep em comin...its Siyabonga..."onga" 😆 Not "are-nga" Sanele."
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10. Nomusa Khumalo
"Not me literally walking around Jozi with my eyes wide open 👀👀👁👁 hoping to bump into Mansa Sanele Mayne-Ngcobo aiii lutho shame guys💔😭😭😭😭🤣"
11. 777 Butep 💧
" "Sanele", you're a Zulu man now 😂😂😂😂😂😂 welcome to the Zulu Kingdom 🤗🇿🇦"
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From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvAI0GvCud8 "Stuck in South Africa now 😲", published by Mansa Mayne, August 1, 2022
All of these comments were published on August 1, 2022 to August 2, 2022
Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.
1. MG
"You can ask when he was given the name Tshepo by his first subscribers where were those who just pump up and say he's Sanele all those years? without thinking about the people who first supported him, in other cultures you can't give your child a name and suddenly in-laws shows up after 2 years and change that name,ke lenyatso"
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2. ACCOUNT RETIRED
"@MG Cringe"
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3. Veronica Lubisi
"@MG sure we know him as Tshepo, Tshepo he's 😀, and he'll always be Tshepo to us"
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"@Veronica Lubisi yes TSHEPO MAYNE....😊"
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5. Gertrude Sihlangu
"Love you Mansa Tshepo Sanele Mayne and
brother Siyabonga,... I just can't get enough of your vlogs❤️🔥🔥🔥💯"
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6. thembi ndhlovu
"Bonele and sanele have the same meaning, just that Bonele is
Xhosa and Sanele is Zulu"
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7. yamkela sanelisiwe Ngceke
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8. za
"Sanele also xhosa"
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9. Edmund Sishange
"Yes Sanele is both Xhosa and Zulu. Actually a Zulu equivalent of Bonele is Banele"
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10. yamkela sanelisiwe Ngceke
"@Edmund Sishange we have Banele in Xhosa too translates as They are enough while Bonele translates as They are Content, they are happy with what they received, like my name Sanelisiwe."
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11. Edmund Sishange
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12. Mosiuwa Clinton Mphore
"Mansa don't ditch the Tshepo name for Sanele....Sanele means Enough, that's the Name Normally given to Last Borns.....Tshepo suits you best 👌🏼"
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