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Tuesday, June 28, 2022

What "Put Some Stank On It" Means (with examples from "What's Love Got To Do With It", "Liar Liar" and more)


MyRhythmNSoulTV, Apr 10, 2014

James Joseph Brown, Jr. (May 3, 1933 -- December 25, 2006) was an American recording artist and musician. One of the founding fathers of funk music and a major figure of 20th-century popular music and dance, he is often referred to as "The Godfather of Soul". In a career that spanned six decades, Brown profoundly influenced the development of many different musical genres."... -snip- Notice how James Brown is sweating profusely while he's singing and dancing. Sweating while he's "working out" results in funkiness (in more ways than one.) James Brown can be truly said to have "Put some stank" on his singing and dancing. **** Edited by Azizi Powell This pancocojams post presents definitions of the African American Vernacular English originated saying "Put some stank on it". This post also includes some online examples of that saying. The content of this post is presented for linguistic and cultural purposes. All copyrightts remain with their owners. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. -snip- Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2020/11/what-african-american-originated-phrase.html for a closely related pancocojams post entitled "What "Put Some Stank On It" REALLY Means ("Impractical Jokers: Inside Jokes - Put Some Stank On It | truTV")."

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WHAT "PUT SOME STANK ON IT" MEANS
"Put some stank on it" means "to make something that you're doing funkier".

"Stank" in that African American Vernacular English originated saying is a noun. However, the word "stank" comes from the past tense verbal form of the word "stink" (i.e. "stink, "stank, "stunk".) 

Here's some information about how the noun "stank" came from the word "funky":
From 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk#Etymology
..."In 1784 "funky" meaning "musty" was first documented, which, in turn, led to a sense of "earthy" that was taken up around 1900 in early jazz slang for something "deeply or strongly felt".[8][9] Ethnomusicologist Portia Maultsby states that the expression "funk" comes from the Central African word "lu-funki" and art historian Robert Farris Thompson says the word comes from the Kikongo term ; in both proposed origins, the term refers to body odor.[10] Thompson's proposed Kikongo origin word, "lu-fuki" is used by African musicians to praise people "for the integrity of their art" and for having "worked out" to reach their goals.[11] Even though in white culture, the term "funk" can have negative connotations of odor or being in a bad mood ("in a funk"), in African communities, the term "funk", while still linked to body odor, had the positive sense that a musician's hard-working, honest effort led to sweat, and from their "physical exertion" came an "exquisite" and "superlative" performance.[11]

In early jam sessions, musicians would encourage one another to "get down" by telling one another, "Now, put some stank on it!". At least as early as 1907, jazz songs carried titles such as Funky. The first example is an unrecorded number by Buddy Bolden, remembered as either "Funky Butt" or "Buddy Bolden's Blues" with improvised lyrics that were, according to Donald M. Marquis, either "comical and light" or "crude and downright obscene" but, in one way or another, referring to the sweaty atmosphere at dances where Bolden's band played.[12][13] As late as the 1950s and early 1960s, when "funk" and "funky" were used increasingly in the context of jazz music, the terms still were considered indelicate and inappropriate for use in polite company. According to one source, New Orleans-born drummer Earl Palmer "was the first to use the word 'funky' to explain to other musicians that their music should be made more syncopated and danceable."[14] The style later evolved into a rather hard-driving, insistent rhythm, implying a more carnal quality. This early form of the music set the pattern for later musicians.[15] The music was identified as slow, sexy, loose, riff-oriented and danceable."...
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I added italic font to highlight those sentences.

In the context of this quote "having worked out" means to exert yourself so hard (to put so much of yourself into your actions) that you sweat, and therefore smell earthy. "Earthy" is a smell that is considered "stinky" (odorous), but it is proof that you "returned to fundamentals". Another way of saying "returned to fundamentals" is that "You got down to the real nitty gritty" (the essence, the heart and soul of the matter").

Also, theoretically, people who "have returned to fundamentals" don't mind how they smell or look. At that point, they aren't pretending to be sophisticated, or formal, or something that they aren't. Instead, they are "being for real" (They're the "real deal"). This meaning is the source of the phrase "Don't fake the funk" = Don't pretend to be something that you're not.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/02/how-funky-came-to-mean-something-good.html for the pancocojams posts entitled "How "Funky" Came To Mean Something Good (African American Vernacular English Meanings)".

Also, click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/04/online-excerpts-about-song-funky-butt.html for the closely related pancocojams post entitled "Online Excerpts About The Song "Funky Butt" (Also Known As "Buddy Bolden's Blues") with YouTube examples"

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SOME EXAMPLES OF THE SAYING "PUT SOME STANK ON IT"

ONLINE SOURCE #1:
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What's Love Got to Do with It is a 1993 American biographical film based on the life of American music icon Tina Turner. It was directed by Brian Gibson and written by Kate Lanier. The film stars Angela Bassett as Tina Turner and Laurence Fishburne as her husband Ike Turner.

Adapted from Tina Turner's autobiography I, Tina (1986), the film follows her life from a rural upbringing to her rise to stardom, along with her abusive marriage to Ike Turner."...
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[movie quote]
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMSD151_oko for a clip of that scene. WARNING : That clip is full of curse words.
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In a profanity laden scene from that movie, R&B singer.guitarist Ike Turner lambasted his wife Anne (who later changed her name to Tina) for the way she was recording a song. Ike told her that she had to sing that song like she meant it and put some stank in it.

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ONLINE SOURCE #2: Liar Liar Movie Clip



Maxwellhouser66, Sept. 10, 2014
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Click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liar_Liar for information about the 1997 movie Liar Liar.
This clip from the comedy movie Liar Liar references the "Put some stank on it" words that Ike Turner said to his then wife Anne (who later changed her first name to "Tina"). 

Here's a transcription of this clip from https://able2know.org/topic/347052-1

SMickey, Tue 4 Oct, 2016
"I got this expression from the movie 'Liar Liar'.

 Fretcher, the lawyer is persuading his client to file a lawsuit against her husband,

and this is what he said.

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And how does he repay you ?

By dragging you through a painful litigation process !

No, no, no, no ! This can't happen !

With all due respect, this isn't about you and Mr. Cole anymore.

This is about all women.

Where would Tina Turner be right now if she'd rolled over and said,

"Hit me again, lke, and put some stank on it ?"

Rollin' on the river, that's where she'd be.

But she's beyond Thunderdome,

because she decided to send a message.

Wake up, sisters !

There's no-o-o-o-o-o... such thing as a weaker sex !"
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The commenter asked about the meaning of "put some stank on it" and the meaning of the line "She's beyond Thunderdome".

Here's the only reply to this query (as of June 28, 2022).

PUNKEY, Oct, 2016
"http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stank

 Tina Turner was in a movie called Beyond Thunderdome where she played a mean, powerful, sexy woman."
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Several urbandictionary.com entries for the saying "put some stank on it" are given in the Online Source #3 section immediately below this one. 

Also, in that transcription about Tina Turner from the movie Liar Liar, the phrase "Rollin On The River" cleverly refers to the title of a hit Tina Turner song. 

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ONLINE SOURCES #3 [THREE POSITIVE URBAN DICTIONARY .COM DEFINITIONS FOR "STANK"]
There are fourteen urban dictionary.com pages for the vernacular meaning of "stank". Most of the urban dictionary.com entries for the word "stank" refers to stinky, malodorous body smells. Here are some entries from urbandictionary.com that refer to positive definitions for "stank".

These entries are given in chronological order according to the urbandictionary.com pages where they were found. Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.

WARNING: There are lots of profanity, sexual explicit content, and the n word references in urbandictionary.com's pages about "stank" and "put some stank on it".  The entries that are quoted in this pancocojams post don't include any sexually explicit comment or the n word. These entries may include profanity, but those words are given with modified spelling. 

1. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stank&page=6
"stank

a person or thing that is cool, popular, amazing, awesome, ham, hard, the sh&t*

damn jessica yo shoes so stank

Jessica is the stank
by inyofacejessica December 15, 2010"
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.

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2. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stank&page=7
"stank

The quality of being extremely cool, awesome, and/or above average with the humorous connotation of being dirty.

That model's stank. Watch her walk: stank, stank, stank.

by stank hole marc January 31, 2011"

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3. "STANK

When something is dope as f&&k* and just sauce

That new mixtape is STANK af you gotta listen to it

by AdyπŸ’œπŸΌπŸ˜πŸ•☮️ February 6, 2017"
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.
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Here’s an excerpt that helps explain the use of the term “just sauce” in that comment:
https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/too-much-sauce/#:~:text=Hip%2Dhop%20artists%20have%20been,might%20impact%20a%20performer's%20image.

WHERE DOES TOO MUCH SAUCE COME FROM? "too much sauce know your meme"
"Hip-hop artists have been using the term sauce as slang for swagger and luxury-branded clothing and accessories since at least 2013. This sense probably came from the meaning of sauce as “something that adds piquance or zest,” as a designer watch might impact a performer’s image.

As an enormous spike in Google searches suggests, the phrase too much sauce was boosted in popularity by the August, 2016 release of the hit single “Too Much Sauce” by DJ Esco, Future, and Lil Uzi Vert. The single stayed on the Billboard Top 100 for 20 weeks, peaking in January, 2017 at number 50, a date that corresponds to an identical peak in Google lookups. The lyrics of the song describe the numerous designer brands worn by the performers. Though fans of hip-hop music might have heard the phrase too much sauce before 2016, the phrase was uncommon enough before the song that singer Future released a video to explain the meaning of the phrase. There are also no entries for this sense of the phrase in Urban Dictionary before 2016.

The sauce in the phrase has expanded beyond its original meaning of designer accessories to confidence and swagger. Men in particular, who are especially confident, are said to have too much sauce, as are cool or impressive songs, sports plays, or items.

[…]

WHO USES TOO MUCH SAUCE?
Too much sauce is often used by young people, particularly young black people, to compliment confident, talented, or attractive people or things in the same way bad is used to mean “good.”…

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ONLINE SOURCE #4 [URBAN DICTIONARY.COM DEFINITION FOR "PUT SOME STANK ON IT"]
In contrast to the multiple urban dictionary.com pages for the word "stank", there are only two urban dictionary entries on one page for the saying "Put some stank in it". One of those entries can be discarded as it appears to be a diss at the actor Owen Wilson. And I believe the other urban dictionary.com entry for that saying (which is given as the top definition) approaches the actual meaning but misunderstands the actual meaning a "Put some stank in it".

Here's that entry from https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=put%20some%20stank%20on%20it

"put some stank on it

(phrase), (sl) - Phrase meaning to add a personal flare, or special ability to any given task or action. As in throwing an especially fast fast-ball, or making a difficult billiards shot. This can be applied to almost anything where talent is a factor in achieving the desired result.

I've never seen such a shot pulled off under those conditions! He really put some stank on it that time!

by Haywood Jablomy 2 December 28, 2017"

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ONLINE SOURCE #5
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-hqiIbPx64&ab_channel=CCo.262ndQMBNCHARLIEROCKS  "Thanksgiving Cadence Charlie Rocks Style" published by C Co. 262nd QM BN CHARLIE ROCKS on Nov 24, 2016

1. J D, 2017
"Thats how you call a cadence! put some soul into it!"

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2. 
MFD, 2018
"Oh the PVT grew up in the deepest/blackest part of the Deep South Church. πŸ˜‚"
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"PVT" = Private

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Gijane S, 2019
"He put some stank on it....!!!! Go head troop...!!!"
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As explanation, a number of commenters referred to the way that the African American Private called (sung the call part of) the cadence) was  a reflection of his Black church choir background. Several commenters wrote that he added some "flavor" to the candence. 

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ONLINE SOURCE #5
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbaFXjr41vI "LEVEL UP AKA POP YOUR FANS" published by TOPSHELF 67 Nov 15, 2017

Here are some commetns from a discussion thread for a YouTube video about African American (Soul) line dancing with a folded fan

1. Tajauna Thompson, 2018
"Ok so I'm sorry it took me a year to see this particular line dance but you'll killed that !  I've seen several different ones to this song and I have enjoyed them all but the use of the fans added some flavor and made it special . And to The young lady in the front that had on the black t shirt you're in a class by yourself I really enjoyed watching you . Your performance was smooth thanks"

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2. TOPSHELF 67, 2018
"Tajauna Thompson Good Morning...Juice aka Roll With It sends her deepest gratitude.  She says that it was actually the Ambassador who encouraged us to put some STANK on it if you will.  Thanks for viewing and responding.  Have a great day.  The BEST way."
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I added italics to highlight this sentence. The "Ambassador" is probably the nickname for one of the line dancers in that group. The words "if you will" at the end of that italized sentence probably means "if you don't mind my use of that slang phrase".  

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3. Tajauna Thompson, 2018
"Nice ideal it worked. Very well done it makes yours unique you'll have a good day as well .  I'll keep watching for more from you'll "

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Thursday, November 19, 2020

What "Put Some Stank On It" REALLY Means ("Impractical Jokers: Inside Jokes - Put Some Stank On It | truTV")


truTVJun 5, 2019

Murr teaches the new apprentice how to add stank to her cleaning routine. #truTV #Insidejokes
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This segment is from .021-.034 in that video.

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Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest revision: June 27, 2022 

This pancocojams post presents some history of the African American phrase "put some stank on it" and provides some definitions for and comments about that term and similar terms.  

This post also showcases a YouTube clip from the television episode that is entitled "Impractical Jokers: Inside Jokes - Put Some Stank On It | truTV". My description of a portion of that episode and my comments about that episode's definition of and use of the word stank  and the phrase "put some stank on it" are also included in this post.

The content of this post is presented for linguistic, historical, and cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to all those featured in this embedded video and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.

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THE AFRICAN AMERICAN VERNACULAR ENGLISH (AAVE) MEANING OF "STANK"
"Stank" is an African American Vernacular English adjective that means "really stinks". “Stank” can also be an African American Vernacular English(AAVE)  noun. One AAVE meaning for that noun is “someone or something who (that) really stinks”.

No past tense is meant or implied by the AAVE word “stank”.

Although the word “stank” in the saying “Put some tank on it” originally meant to have an odorous (stinky) smell, the contemporary meaning of “stank” in that saying means to add your own unique flavor (style) to something that you do and in doing so, make it funky (with "funky" meaning "very good".  

The phrase "add some soul to it" and "add your own flavor to the mix" are synonyms for "Put some stank on it".

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AN URBAN DICTIONARY DEFINITION FOR "PUT SOME STANK ON IT"
Here is the only urban dictionary entry for "put some stank on it" (as of Nov. 19, 2020)
From https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=put%20some%20stank%20on%20it
"put some stank on it

(phrase), (sl) - Phrase meaning to add a personal flare, or special ability to any given task or action. As in throwing an especially fast fast-ball, or making a difficult billiards shot. This can be applied to almost anything where talent is a factor in achieving the desired result

I've never seen such a shot pulled off under those conditions! He really put some stank on it that time!

Haywood Jablomy 2 December 28, 2017
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The urban dictionary definition of "put some stank on it" is used in the truTelevision episode that is embedded in this pancocojams post.     

I can see how that contributor got that definition from the African American vernacular terms for "put some stank on it", and "add your flavor to the mix". However, that urban dictionary entry is used as a definition for "put some stank on it", it should be considered as accidentally or purposely moving away from those African American originated vernacular definitions.

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MY DESCRIPTION OF THE EMBEDDED TELEVISION EPISODE
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlxFMxsSveo&ab_channel=truTV
"Impractical Jokers: Inside Jokes - Put Some Stank On It | truTV 
[the video's summary: "Murr teaches the new apprentice how to add stank to her cleaning routine. #truTV #Insidejokes"
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Here's my unofficial summary of this episode (from .021 -.034) 

A middle age White man named Mrr is shown with his new apprentice is a middle aged Black woman who is not introduced by name and who never says anything in this segment.  Mrr says to the Black woman apprentice,  “I don’t know if you’ve been noticing, but when I clean, I put a little stank on it. Maybe when we stack these we should put a little stank on them too” Just a little bit more, you know? .

At .031 in this video a yellow note appears on the screen with this definition: “Putting “stank” on it means to add personal flair to the task at hand”

Around .033 Sal (the White man pretending to be the boss) asks Mrr “What did you stank?”
While the Black woman stands listening and cleaning something she is holding in her hand, he responds putting to various objects saying “I stanked that, I stanked that and I haven’t stank.”

The Black woman reacted to the White men’s use of the word “stank” with a fixed smile (or smirk) which might have been part bemusement and part tolerance for the situation she finds herself in as if to say “Let me just do my work, get paid, and get away from these wacked out White men who don’t even know what “put some stank on it” means.

Notice that the "stank" in the sentence "put some stank on it" is a noun while "stanked" in the last sentence from that episode that I quoted are verbs. The word "stank" in the last sentence of that quoted episode is a past tense of the word "stink" and, as such, doesn't have anything to do with the contemporary meaning of "put some stank on it".  

Here's part of a comment exchange from this video's discussion thread (Numbers added for referencing purposes only) 

1. THE COMMENT DOGGO, 2019
"What in the world is that thing, that murr is wiping?"

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2. Alexander Jones, 2019
"whatever it is.... it now has some stank on it"

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3. THE COMMENT DOGGO, 2019
"You!

Ya you!!


S T A N K"

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MY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS EPISODE
This 
Impractical Jokers: Inside Jokes - Put Some Stank On It | truTV episode is an example of how people from mainstream (White) community can accidentally or on purpose attribute another  definition for an African American originated term or saying. 

"Accidentally" here means that the person giving this definition doesn't know that African American Vernacular English(AAVE)  meaning of that term/saying or doesn't understand the African American meaning that they read of heard for that term/saying. "Purposely" here means that the person knowingly changed that earlier (AAVE) definition.  

I think that the change from the African American definition for "put some stank on it" probably occurred because people who aren't African American didn't (don't) understand what was/is meant by
adding some soulful elements or more soulful elements to the way that a person dances, sings, plays a musical instrument and/or engages in other performing activities.   

I have to concur with at least one person in that video's discussion thread who wrote that he (or she) didn't consider that episode to be funny (I'm referring here to both the "put some stank on it" portion of the episode and another portion in which Mrr's boss Sal hides his asthma inhaler and whispers to the apprentice not to tell him where it is.)  By the way, given the racial dynamics in the United States (and elsewhere) and given the fact that the vernacular saying "put some stank on it" and the vernacular noun  "stank" originated in and are most closely associated with African Americans, I believe that observers of this episode would have had a different experience and interpretations of this episode if the apprentice wasn't Black. 

Furthermore, the fact that the apprentice wasn't named and didn't say anything was a turn off for me. But then again, I'm not a fan of the whole concept of that television show as I've never liked practical jokes. So there's that.

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Wednesday, April 17, 2019

Online Excerpts About The Song "Funky Butt" (Also Known As "Buddy Bolden's Blues") with YouTube examples

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part I of a pancocojams series of the song "Funky Butt" (also known as "Buddy Bolden's Blues").

Part I presents various excerpts from online sites that provide information about the African American song "Funky Butt" (also known as "Buddy Bolden's Blues"). Some of these excerpts include lyrics.

A 1939 YouTube example of this song that is performed by Jelly Roll Morton and a later YouTube example of this song that is sung by Sidney Betchet are also included in this post along with selected comments from those sound files' discussion threads.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/04/tampa-version-of-song-funky-butt-buddy.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. Part II presents a variant form of "Funky Butt" called "Tampa" that was sung by folklorist and author Zora Neale Hurston from her childhood memories of growing up in Florida. A segment of a YouTube video that features that song is highlighted in this post along with my transcription of that recording.

The content of this post is presented for historical, cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who composed or helped influence the composition and documentation of early examples of this song. Special thanks to Jazz pioneer Buddy Bolden.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/02/how-funky-came-to-mean-something-good.html for a 2015 pancocojams post entitled "How "Funky" Came To Mean Something Good (African American Vernacular Meanings)"

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ONLINE EXCERPTS ABOUT THE SONG "FUNKY BUTT" (BUDDY BOLDEN'S BLUES)
These excerpts are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.

Excerpt #1:
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Bolden
"Charles Joseph "Buddy" Bolden (September 6, 1877 – November 4, 1931) was an African-American cornetist who was regarded by contemporaries as a key figure in the development of a New Orleans style of ragtime music, or "jass", which later came to be known as jazz.

Musical career
Bolden was known as "King" Bolden[4] (see Jazz royalty), and his band was popular in New Orleans from around 1900 to 1907. He was known for his loud sound and improvisational skills, and his style had an impact on younger musicians. Bolden's trombonist Willie Cornish (among others) recalled making phonograph cylinder recordings with the Bolden band, but there are no known surviving copies.[5]

Many early jazz musicians credited Bolden and his bandmates with having originated what came to be known as jazz, though the term was not in common musical use until after the era of Bolden's prominence. At least one writer has labeled Bolden the father of jazz.[6] He is credited with creating a looser, more improvised version of ragtime and adding blues; Bolden's band was said to be the first to have brass instruments play the blues. He was also said to have adapted ideas from gospel music heard in uptown African-American Baptist churches.

Instead of imitating other cornetists, Bolden played music he heard "by ear" and adapted it to his horn. In doing so, he created an exciting and novel fusion of ragtime, black sacred music, marching-band music, and rural blues.

[...]

One of the most famous Bolden numbers is "Funky Butt" (later known as "Buddy Bolden's Blues"), which represents one of the earliest references to the concept of funk in popular music. Bolden's "Funky Butt" was, as Danny Barker once put it, a reference to the olfactory effect of an auditorium packed full of sweaty people "dancing close together and belly rubbing."[8] "Funky Butt" was one of many in the Bolden repertory with rude or off-color lyrics popular in some of the rougher places where he played; Bolden's trombonist Willy Cornish claimed authorship. It became so well known as a rude song that even whistling the melody on a public street was considered offensive. The melody was incorporated into an early published ragtime number, "St. Louis Tickle.""...

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Excerpt #2
From https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=77516
1. Subject: Lyr Req: Buddy Bolden's Blues
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 08:22 PM

This is a song I learned so long ago that I've forgotten some of the lines. This is what I remember..

I thought I heard Buddy Bolden say
It's nasty but, funky but, take it away
It's nasty but, funky but, take it away
I thought I heard him say

I thought I heard Buddy Bolden shout
Open up the window let the bad air out
Open up the window let the bad air out
I thought I heard him shout

Those are all the words I ever heard.”...

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2. Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Buddy Bolden's Blues
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 09:48 PM

...."Paul Oliver, in his book "Screening the Blues," p. 168, says only the first verse of "Funky Butt" was sung originally, and other verses were added about Storyville characters as time went on. I haven't found any of these, but they might appear on various early recordings. The tune is supposed to be Bolden's.

Jelly Roll's "Buddy Bolden's Blues" [is] a late recording (1939)."...

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3. Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Buddy Bolden's Blues
From: GUEST,Joseph Scott
Date: 14 Nov 14 - 01:48 PM

"Funky Butt" was a folk song known across the South. That's why Zora Neale Hurston (of Alabama and Florida) and John Hurt knew it, and why Newman White recalled hearing a folk variant in North Carolina in about 1903. (Hurston, Hurt, and White were both all born about 1892, even though Hurston sometimes falsely claimed about a decade younger.) Bolden has no special claim on "Funky Butt" in that context.

As most performed "Funky Butt," it didn't bear all that much relationship to the "blues" songs. Claims that Buddy Bolden performed blues have been mostly based on defining "blues" broadly enough to include... folk songs that he did play, such as "Careless Love." But he may have played the tune that sometimes had lyrics about "2:19," which is what we generally consider a blues tune.

The Ossman-Dudley Trio recorded "Funky Butt" as one of the strains in "St. Louis Tickle" in January 1906. If we consider "Funky Butt" a "blues," then the guitarist in that trio, George Dudley, was the first guitarist to record "blues." But simply calling "Funky Butt" a "blues" is being arbitrarily broad about what we call a "blues" -- too broad, imo."...

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4. Subject: Lyr Req: BUDDY BOLDEN'S BLUES (f/Jelly Roll Morton
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 06:48 PM

BUDDY BOLDEN'S BLUES (2:49)
As sung by Jelly Roll Morton on "Last Sessions: The Complete General Recordings" (Verve, 1997)

Thought I heard Buddy Bolden say:
"You're nasty; you're dirty; take it away.
You're terrible; you're awful; take it away."
I thought I heard him say.

I thought I heard Buddy Bolden shout:
"Open up that window and let that bad air out.
Open up that window and let the foul air out."
I though I heard Buddy Bolden say.

Thought I heard Judge Fogarty say:
"Thirty days in the market; take him away.
Get him a good broom to sweep with; take him away."
I thought I heard him say.

Thought I heard Frankie Duson shout:
"Gal, gimme that money; I'm gonna beat it out.
I mean, gimme that money like I explain ya; I'm gonna beat it out."
'Cause I thought I heard Frankie Duson say.

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BUDDY BOLDEN'S BLUES (4:07)
As sung and narrated by Jelly Roll Morton on "The Anamule Dance: The Library of Congress Recordings, Vol. 2" (Rounder, 1993)

This is like one of the earliest blues. This no doubt is the earliest blues ... the real deal, that is, a variation from the real barrelhouse blues. The composer was Buddy Bolden, the most powerful trumpet player I've ever heard, or ever was known. The name of this was named by some old honky-tonk people. While he played this, they sang a little theme to it. He was a favorite in New Orleans at the time.

I thought I heard Buddy Bolden say:
"Dirty nasty stinky butt, take it away.
Dirty nasty stinky butt, take it away.
Oh, Mister Bolden, play."

I thought I heard Bolden play:
"Dirty nasty stinky butt, take it away.
Funky butt, stinky butt, take it away
And let Mister Bolden play."

Later on this tune was, uh, I guess I'd have to say stolen, by some author I don't know anything about—I don't remember his name—and published under the title of "St. Louis Tickler" [sic]. But there's all the proof in the world that this tune was wrote by Buddy Bolden. Plenty old musicians know it. — Oh, this number is no doubt about nineteen-two.... [There is more talk that I have omitted.--JD]

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5. Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Buddy Bolden's Blues
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 07:30 PM

This is apparently the "stolen" version that Jelly Roll Morton was referring to:

ST. LOUIS TICKLE
[an instrumental piece scored for piano]
Music by "Barney & Seymour" *
©1904 by Victor Kremer Co.,
Copyright assigned 1912 to Harold Rossiter Music Co., Chicago.

* The catalog entry at the University of Mississippi has this annotation:
"Barney & Seymour is a pseudonym for Theron Catlan Bennett (1879-1937)"”...

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6. Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Buddy Bolden's Blues
From: GUEST,Joseph Scott
Date: 15 May 16 - 03:11 AM

"Version of "Funky Butt" in E. C. Perrow's notes, probably from about 1909. (See "E.C. Perrow original manuscripts online" thread.) Not included in Perrow's 1910s multipart article.

I.
Here comes a little girl with a red dress on.
She's got pocky butt, funky butt
Shore as you born.

II.
I thought I heard somebody shout
Open the door and let the funk out.
Pocky butt Funky butt Take it away.

III.
I will give 8 or 10 more verses" "

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Excerpt #3
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk#Etymology
"In early jam sessions, musicians would encourage one another to "get down" by telling one another, "Now, put some stank on it!". At least as early as 1907, jazz songs carried titles such as Funky. The first example is an unrecorded number by Buddy Bolden, remembered as either "Funky Butt" or "Buddy Bolden's Blues" with improvised lyrics that were, according to Donald M. Marquis, either "comical and light" or "crude and downright obscene" but, in one way or another, referring to the sweaty atmosphere at dances where Bolden's band played.[6][7] As late as the 1950s and early 1960s, when "funk" and "funky" were used increasingly in the context of jazz music, the terms still were considered indelicate and inappropriate for use in polite company. According to one source, New Orleans-born drummer Earl Palmer "was the first to use the word 'funky' to explain to other musicians that their music should be made more syncopated and danceable."[8] The style later evolved into a rather hard-driving, insistent rhythm, implying a more carnal quality. This early form of the music set the pattern for later musicians.[9] The music was identified as slow, sexy, loose, riff-oriented and danceable."...

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SHOWCASE YOUTUBE EXAMPLES
Example #1: Jelly Roll Morton - Buddy Bolden's Blues [1939]



Morahman7vnNo2, Published on Feb 2, 2009

Jelly Roll Morton playing and singing his composition of "Buddy Bolden's Blues"
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Here's information about Jelly Roll Morton:
"Ferdinand Joseph LaMothe (October 20, 1890 – July 10, 1941), known professionally as Jelly Roll Morton, was an American ragtime and early jazz pianist, bandleader and composer who started his career in New Orleans, Louisiana." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelly_Roll_Morton

Here are some selected comments from this sound file's discussion thread, with numbers added for referencing purposes only.
1. suthern, 2011
"it's interesting that this is buddy bolden's blues...there is a recording on here of zora neale hurston singing it (she calls it Tampa)...saying it was a folksong she remembered from her childhood in fl, and that everybody sang it and performed it at dances. Buddy Bolden was only 13 years older than Zora, so I doubt he was the catalyst there...anybody know how this song wound up being buddy bolden's blues?"

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2. oncexist, 2011
"This is certainly not Morton's composition. Morton accredits this one to Buddy Bolden himself and says that the "St. Louis Tickler" is just a theft as somebody copyrighted it. This was after Bolden used to play it regulary by himself in Lincorn Park with his bell headed to downtown New Orleans (about 10-12 miles away)

Anyway this is what Morton tells Lomax in the congress library. Much of this series is dubious but more in the sense that Morton takes credit, not gives.

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3. pianiplunker, 2011
"@oncexist I would assume it was a folk tune which Bolden popularized to his audiences. Since Bolden was institutionalized in 1907 he probably played the tune well before it was published. Although Jelly Roll Morton was a great chronicler of the underworld he was not a musicologist."

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gfjchs3n1, 2011
"@IndependentGeorge76 My grandfather is Frank Duson, Jr. (correct spelling) that you have mentioned here. He had two dgts one of which is my mother. Her sister is deceased. He raised them til his death in the late 30's. Their mother died 5 yrs earlier. Heard he was a character but loved and took care of his little family which was during the early 30's. Thanks for the post. Check out Donald Marquis' book, "IN SEARCH OF BUDDY BOLDEN".
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This comment refers to musician Frank Duson, who Jelly Roll Morton didn't get along with. In his version of this song, Morton characterized Duson as a pimp.

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Example #2: Jelly Roll Morton-I Thought I Heard Buddy Bolden Say



paintpot2, Published on Oct 24, 2009

I thought I heard buddy bolden say.
You're nasty, you're dirty. Take it away !
You're terrible, you're awful. Take it away.
I thought I heard him say !

I thought I heard buddy bolden shout.
Open up that window, let that bad air out !
Open up that window, let the foul air out !
I thought I heard him say !

ah mr. jelly lord !! one of morton's greatest tunes ! he sings a couple of lines and his greatness becomes immortal ! sidney bechet is fantastic on anything !
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Pancocojams Editor's Note: To clarify, the singer in this sound file is Sidney Bechet, and not Jelly Roll Morton.

I'm not sure when this sound file was recorded. If you know that date, please add that information in the comments below. Thanks!

Here's information about Sidney Bechet:
"Sidney Bechet (May 14, 1897 – May 14, 1959) was an American jazz saxophonist, clarinetist, and composer. He was one of the first important soloists in jazz, beating trumpeter Louis Armstrong to the recording studio by several months." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Bechet

1. bengreens, 2011
"Amazing solo by Bechet here! (all the players are amazing, but man!) Thanks for posting. Time to get lost in YouTube . . . will start by following Bechet, but god knows where I'll end up.

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2. RaananVolesPianist, 2013
"I think I read somewhere that the original lyrics were "I thought I heard Buddy Bolden say, you dirty, funky, nasty butt, take it away..."

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3. K K, 2013
"Ranaan Voles, you're right, that was more or less the original lyrics, which I believe was banned in the city for indecency. A sad day for NOLA, which the new "noise ordinance" multiplies a millionfold."
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Both Jelly Roll Morton and Sidney Bechet were Creoles from New Orleans, Louisiana (USA). Historically, Creoles of color were largely considered to be Black Americans and are largely considered to be Black Americans now.

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This concludes Part I of this two part pancocojams series on the song "Funky Butt".

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Sunday, February 1, 2015

How "Funky" Came To Mean Something Good (African American Vernacular English Meanings)

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest Revision- Nov. 19, 2020

This is the first of a three part pancocojams series about the word "funk". Part I provides information and comments about the Latin etymology and the Kongolese etymology for the word "funk". That post also provides several definitions for the word "funk" and the word "funky".

Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/02/main-source-fakin-funk-remix-hip-hop.html for Part II of this series. Part II features a video and lyrics of the Hip-Hop song "Fakin The Funk" (remix) by Main Source. That post also includes my comments about the meanings of certain terms that are found in that song's lyrics.

Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/02/what-dont-fake-funk-on-nasty-dunk.html for Part III of this series.

Part III presents comments about the meaning of the saying "Don't Fake The Funk On A Nasty Dunk" and includes a video of a commercial in which Shaquille O'Neil uses that saying.

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Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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AFRICAN & AFRICAN AMERICAN ORIGINS AND MEANINGS OF "FUNK", "FUNKY", AND "PUT SOME STANK ON IT"[revised Nov. 18, 2020]
Here are two schools of thought about the etymology of the word "funk", "funky", and "put some stank on it". These quotes are numbered for referencing purposes only. Previously I wrote that "I've numbered and labeled these schools of thought giving preference to the one that I feel is the most valid (recognizing that others may disagree)." However, in re-reading these quotes (on Nov. 19, 2020), I believe both of these theories about the origin of the African American Vernacular English origins and meaning of the word "funky" are equally valid.

I. Etymology For "Funk" #1: Kongolese (African) source
Excerpt #1: From http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/17228/where-does-funk-and-or-funky-come-from-and-why-the-musical-reference [Hereafter given as "stackexchange: funk/funky"], Callithumpian, edited Mar 22 '11 at 12:19
..."Yale art historian Robert Farris Thompson has posited an African origin to the musical use of funky. Here is an expanded quote from his 1984 work, Flash of the Spirit: African and Afro-American Art and Philosophy:
The slang term 'funky' in black communities originally referred to strong body odor, and not to 'funk,' meaning fear or panic. The black nuance seems to derive from the Ki-Kongo lu-fuki, 'bad body odor,' and is perhaps reinforced by contact with fumet, 'aroma of food and wine,' in French Louisiana. But the Ki-Kongo word is closer to the jazz word 'funky' in form and meaning, as both jazzmen and Bakongo use 'funky' and lu-fuki to praise persons for the integrity of their art, for having 'worked out' to achieve their aims. In Kongo today it is possible to hear an elder lauded in this way: 'like, there is a really funky person!--my soul advances toward him to receive his blessing (yati, nkwa lu-fuki! Ve miela miami ikwenda baki). Fu-Kiau Bunseki, a leading native authority on Kongo culture, explains: 'Someone who is very old, I go sit with him, in order to feel his lu-fuki, meaning, I would like to be blessed by him.' For in Kongo the smell of a hardworking elder carries luck. This Kongo sign of exertion is identified with the positive energy of a person. Hence, 'funk' in black American jazz parlance can mean earthiness, a return to fundamentals."
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In the context of this quote "having worked out" means to exert yourself so hard (to put so much of yourself into your actions) that you sweat, and therefore smell earthy. "Earthy" is a smell that is considered "stinky" (odorous), but it is proof that you "returned to fundamentals". Another way of saying "returned to fundamentals" is that "You got down to the real nitty gritty" (the essence, the heart and soul of the matter".

Also, theoretically, people who "have returned to fundamentals" don't mind how they smell or look. At that point, they aren't pretending to be sophisticated, or formal, or something that they aren't. Instead, they are "being for real" (They're the "real deal"). This meaning is the source of the phrase "Don't fake the funk" = Don't pretend to be something that you're not.

More comments about "Don't fake the funk" are found in Part II and Part III of this series.
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Excerpt #2: Focus on the African American Vernacular English phrase "put some stank into it"
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk#Etymology
..."In early jam sessions, musicians would encourage one another to "get down" by telling one another, "Now, put some stank on it!". At least as early as 1907, jazz songs carried titles such as Funky. The first example is an unrecorded number by Buddy Bolden remembered as either "Funky Butt" or "Buddy Bolden's Blues" with improvised lyrics that were, according to Donald M. Marquis either "comical and light" or "crude and downright obscene" but, in one way or another, referring to the sweaty atmosphere at dances where Bolden's band played."
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One meaning of the word "stank" is the past tense of the verb "stink". However, in African American English "stank" was and is still a noun that means "to stink really bad." "Stank", like "funky" can be something that is considered very good or very bad (not good).

Telling musicians to "Put some stank on it" means to play music in such a way that dancers go all out (or, to use another African American vernacular phrase "go all in") to the extent that they become soaked with their sweat, and therefore stink. That dancers sweating as a result of their exertions is a sign that the music has touched their soul (the music is soulful).

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UPDATE: February 5, 2015
A comment about the official video for Sean Paul's "Get Busy" record https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmxD7jDuPR0 serves as a perfect example for the source* of the African American English meaning of the word "funky":

AmericanRattlesnake, 2011
"i love this song but damn it must stink in there with all that ass shaking in such a crowded little room."
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Click html http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/02/black-house-parties-then-now-part-ii.html "Black House Parties Then & Now (Part II: Sean Paul's "Get Busy" Video)" for a pancocojams post on that video.

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II. Etymology For "Funk" #2: Latin (European) source
Excerpt #1:
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk#Etymology
"The word funk initially referred (and still refers) to a strong odor. It is originally derived from Latin "fumigare" (to smoke) via Old French "fungiere" and, in this sense, first documented in English in 1620. In 1784 "funky" meaning "musty" is first documented, which, in turn, led to a sense of "earthy" that was taken up around 1900 in early jazz slang for something deeply or strongly felt.[4][5][6]"

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Excerpt #2:
From http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=funky
"funky (adj.) ..."old, musty," in reference to cheeses, then "repulsive," from funk (n.2) + -y (2). It began to develop an approving sense in jazz slang c.1900, probably on the notion of "earthy, strong, deeply felt." Funky also was used early 20c. by white writers in reference to body odor allegedly peculiar to blacks. The word reached wider popularity c.1954 (it was defined in "Time" magazine, Nov. 8, 1954) and in the 1960s acquired a broad slang sense of "fine, stylish, excellent."funk (n.2) Look up funk at Dictionary.com"bad smell," 1620s, probably from the verb funk in the sense "blow smoke upon; stifle with offensive vapor" (though this is not recorded until later 17c.). It is from dialectal French funkière "to smoke," from Old French fungier "give off smoke; fill with smoke," from Latin fumigare "to smoke" (see fume (n.)).

Not considered to be related to obsolete funk (n.) "a spark," mid-14c., fonke, a general Germanic word (compare Dutch vonk, Old High German funcho, German Funke. The Middle English word is probably from Low German or from an unrecorded Old English form.

In reference to a style of music felt to have a strong, earthy quality, it is attested by 1959, a back-formation from funky (q.v.)."
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FumbleFingers, writing in "stackexchange:funk/funky" on Mar 21 '11 at 15:06 also indicates that African American musicians "co-opted" (took, borrowed) the "stinking" meaning of "funk" from Latin sources:
"funky originally meant pungent / earthy, with relatively positive associations to "passive" qualities such as the smell of a cheese, which just sits there mouldering away. Since being co-opted into jazz slang it's acquired the more "active" overtones of actual movement in the sense of lively, rootsy, etc. (funky music encourages dancing & foot-tapping)."
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I'm not convinced that the Latin meaning for "funk" preceded the Kongolese meaning of "funk" among Black folks in the United States.

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"FUNKY" REFERRING TO FASHION SENSE
From http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=funky, Sissy J. Depp February 25, 2005
funky 
"Unconventionally modern and stylish.

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From http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=funky, Steagles February 12, 2006
funky
1. Something thats cool or admirable (this usage has fallen out of popularity)
2. A bad smell, normally an odor of pubic must*

. Whoa, baby, you smell funky (compliment in 1976)
2. Whoa, baby, you smell funky (NOT a compliment in 2006)

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The word "must" is probably a typo for "musk".

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From http://www.yourdictionary.com/funky
"Funky
adjective
1.The definition of funky is something that smells bad or it is something artistic, modern, unconventional or cool.

a.Old smelly socks are an example of something that would be described as funky.
b.The cool, hip apartment of a young artist is an example of something that would be described as funky."

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FUNK MUSIC
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk
"Funk is a music genre that originated in African-American communities in the mid-1960s when African-American musicians created a rhythmic, danceable new form of music through a mixture of soul music, jazz, and rhythm and blues (R&B). Funk de-emphasizes melody and chord progressions and focuses on a strong rhythmic groove of a bass line played by an electric bassist and a drum part played by a drummer. Like much of African-inspired music, funk typically consists of a complex groove with rhythm instruments playing interlocking grooves. Funk uses the same richly colored extended chords found in bebop jazz, such as minor chords with added sevenths and elevenths, or dominant seventh chords with altered ninths and thirteenths.

Funk originated in the mid-1960s, with James Brown's development of a signature groove that emphasized the downbeat—with heavy emphasis on the first beat of every measure ("The One"), and the application of swung 16th notes and syncopation on all bass lines, drum patterns, and guitar riffs.[2] Other musical groups, including Sly and the Family Stone, the Meters, and Parliament-Funkadelic, soon began to adopt and develop Brown's innovations. While much of the written history of funk focuses on men, there have been notable funk women, including Chaka Khan, Labelle, Lyn Collins, Brides of Funkenstein, Klymaxx, Mother's Finest, and Betty Davis."...
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The words that are written in italics were given that way in this article.

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