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Thursday, December 17, 2020

Contemporary Changes In Where and How The Venda (South African) Domba Dance (also known as the Python Dance) Is Performed


alfrheitta, Jun 25, 2007

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For the purpose of this post, I'm most interested in the dance that is performed at the beginning of this video to 1:44. 

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nkosiafrika, May 13, 2010

great va venda mothers proudly dance @a wddng  in soweto south africa
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"wddng" = "wedding"

Notice that, in contrast to traditional performances of the python dance, these women are joyous. Also, notice that these women form more than one vertical line.

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post showcases two YouTube videos of the Venda (South African) python dance.

Information about the Venda people is also presented in this post along with online article excerpts, YouTube videos, and YouTube comments that provide information about this dance. 

The content of this post is presented for historical, folkloric, and cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the Venda people for preserving this dance and other parts of their traditional culture. Thanks to all those who are featured in this video and all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
Comments about the Venda's Domba Dance (also known as the python dance)
A number of online sources about the Venda's Domba dance attribute various meanings for this dance. These online sources don't always agree about why this dance was and is performed and some of these reasons may be completely or partially incorrect. 

The two videos that are embedded in this post document that in addition to its traditional performances, the Venda Domba dance is also being staged in various theatres by Venda and non-Venda people and is also part of the entertainment at Venda weddings.

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Please be aware that t
raditionally, females who perform this dance are topless. A number of YouTube videos of this dance show females who aren't wearing any bras or shirts, including DOMBA ii:Python Dance, March 7, 2020. That video is mostly an interview with a Vendan man, but unlike other YouTube videos, it includes short clips of very young girls learning this dance with older girls and women. Judging from that video, the term "python dance" is used as a referent for this dance by Venda people as opposed to it being the name of that dance that was conferred by non-Venda people.

It should also be noted that the term "domba" isn't a translation of the word "python". Instead, according to some online sources (such as the one given as Excerpt #3 below) "domba" refer to the school that provided information to females and taught them this particular dance. females.

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I've watched other YouTube performances of what seem to me to be more traditional examples of the Venda Domba dance. However, I haven't showcased those examples. This is largely because pancocojams is a family centered blog and I'm concerned that public education and community institutions in the United States (and possibly elsewhere) would prohibit access to this pancocojams blog in its entirety because of content that is considered inappropriate for children. 

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I believe that the reference to the Domba dance as a "python dance" and the fact that traditionally this dance is performed in imitation of a python's movements, is pertinent because of the meanings that Venda culture give to pythons (snake) as well as to crocodiles. Note that the lake where the domba is held is known for its crocodiles.

Read the excerpts about the Venda's python dance given below.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2020/12/pdf-excerpt-about-symbolism-of-pythons.html  for more information about the Venda's python dance.

Also, click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2020/12/four-video-examples-of-close-formation.html for a 2020 pancocojams post entitled "Four Video Examples Of The Close Formation Marches That Are Sometimes Performed By New Sorority Members As They Enter Their Probates & Their Probable South African Dance Inspiration".

A 2013 post on that subject is found at http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/01/similarities-between-venda-python-dance_7.html. That post which is entitled "Similarities Between The Venda Python Dance & Black Sororities Probate Line Formations". That post includes several videos of the Venda python dance as well as four videos of similar vertical line formation at the beginning of probates for each of the four historically Black Greek letter sororities that are members of the The National Panhellenic Conference (informally referred to as the Divine 9). 

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INFORMATION ABOUT THE VENDA
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venda_people 
"The Venda (VhaVenda or Vhangona) are a Southern African Bantu people living mostly near the South African-Zimbabwean border.

Venda people share ancestry with Lobedu people and Kalanga people. They are also related to Sotho-Tswana and Shona groups."...

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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venda
"Venda (/ˈvɛndə/) was a Bantustan in northern South Africa, which is fairly close to the South African border with Zimbabwe to the north, while to the south and east, it shared a long border with another black homeland, Gazankulu. It is now part of the Limpopo province [of the nation of South Africa]. Venda was founded as a homeland by the South African government for the Venda people, speakers of the Venda language.[4] The United Nations and international community refused to recognise Venda (or any other Bantustan) as an independent state."..


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EXCERPTS FROM ONLINE ARTICLES ABOUT THE VENDA DOMBA DANCE
These excerpts are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes themselves.

Excerpt #1
From https://hadithi.africa/2018/12/13/domba/  
Culture:·December 13, 2018·

The Venda Mystical Initiation – Domba.
"Domba is the third and final phase in Venda girls’ initiation, which should have been attended after a girl had been to vhusha and tshikanda. It takes place every year at the head-quarters of chiefs and certain senior headman.This traditional dance is held at the Fundudzi lake, which lies between Thohoyando and Louise Trichadt. This is where the Venda women go for initiation.

Its importance to the Venda was marked by the use of the bass drum (ngoma), which was also used in tshikona, the Venda national dance. There were a number of special rites and shows associated with domba, but its most notable feature was the great domba dance, performed regularly in the evenings. The girls formed a long chain (deu) and moved in a clockwise direction about the courtyard. The girls began with a monotonous response to the lead singer; then they broke into the ecstatic tivha khulo style of vocal hocketting; and at the end of the dance the girls stopped moving and would lean over toward the centre of the circle. The dance symbolised the mystical act of sexual communion, conception, the growth of the foetus, and child-birth. The successive performances of the dance during the months the school was in progress symbolised the building up of the foetus.

Domba is a very sanctuary moment for the Venda people. They celebrate and embrace their culture and traditions, thus passing it down to generations to come. The dance celebrates her womanhood and at the ceremony, men attend the occasion particularly to pick a wife.

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Excerpt #2
From 2008 pdf by Kent D. Fowler, University of Manitoba entitled "Social Memory and the Antiquity of Python and Crocodile Symbolism in Southern Africa"
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Pythons, on the other hand, are directly associated with leadership in Shona, Venda and Zulu cultures. In Venda court art, python and crocodile imagery are paired, with crocodile images in the centre surrounded by those of pythons (Huffman 1996:89). In the Venda “python dance”, the same structure is found. Initiates dance in an undulating line emulating a python encircling a pool represented by the central court. In this context, the python is the “snake of the water”, a metaphor for female fertility. Pythons are also paired with the mountain imagery of chiefs and referred to as “snake of the mountain”. On some hilltops, it is believed that pythons guard the entrance of caves that contain pools that are portals to the world of ancestors (Huffman 1996:91). When linked to chieftainship and hilltops, pythons are the “snake of the mountain” and invoke linked metaphors for rainmaking, young and junior men, and male virility."...
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2020/12/pdf-excerpt-about-symbolism-of-pythons.html for the pancocojams post entitled "
PDF Excerpt About The Symbolism Of Pythons And Crocodiles In Venda (South African) Culture". Additional statements about this subject are included in the comment section of that post. 

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Excerpt #3
From
http://www.krugerpark.co.za/africa_venda.html
"Venda…Venda Rituals

Initiation: The Domba is a pre-marital initiation, the last one in the life of a Venda girl or boy. The chief or sovereign will 'call' a domba and preparations are made by the families for their girls to be ready and to prepare what's necessary to attend the ceremony (entry fees for the ruler, clothes and bangles). Historically girls used to stay with the chief for the whole duration (3 months to 3 years) of the initiation; nowadays because of schooling, girls only spend weekends at the ruler's kraal.

This rite of passage was attended by both girls and boys after each individual had previously attended other separated initiations dedicated to one's gender; Vusha and Tshikanda for girls and Murundu for boys (the circumcision done during this rite has been introduced by North Sotho).

Since the missionaries decided that mixing males and females in the same ceremony was immoral. Only girls attend the Domba which has two main functions teaching girls how to prepare themselves to become wives (birth planning, giving birth and child care, how to treat a husband, and nowadays the teaching of AIDS risks); and bringing fertility to the new generation of the tribe.

Music and Dance

Various rituals are particular to the Venda and certain aspects are kept secret and not discussed with westerners, however, it is known that the python dance, conducted at the female coming of age ceremony (iconic to the Limpopo region) is usually where the chief chooses a wife.

Girls and boys dance fluidly, like a snake, to the beat of a drum, while forming a chain by holding the forearm of the person in front. Once a wife has been chosen a set of courtship and grooming rituals take place over a number of days.”….

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Excerpt #4
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R29xw7h4Ye0&ab_channel=AfricanTravelCrew
"Limpopo,the most famous of the Venda dances, the Domba dance 

African Travel Crew, Apr 3, 2018
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The actual dance begins around 2:03 in this video. Warning: The women are topless.

Here is my caption transcription:
1:11 [transcription of  a man talking to the camera] "Domba is a Venda dance. When our daughters are ready to get marry we take them to the domba to teach them about marriage. We here as the elders have a responsibility to take the virgin girls to the domba. In our Venda culture, the girl can’t be a part of her husband’s family without having domba lessons. After taking the young girl to the domba and making sure that she’s pure then she will be allowed to get married and start a family."

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Excerpt #5 
From https://www.morningsun.co.za/activities/venda-cultural-experience/

[...]

"The Venda Culture

The Venda culture is built on a vibrant mythical belief system, and water is an import theme, believing lakes and rivers to be sacred, and that rains are controlled by the Python God. One of the most sacred sites of the Venda is Lake Fundudzi. Here annually the Domba Python Dance is held, an offering of beer is poured into the lake, and young maidens, as the final stage of their initiation into womanhood, line up in single file and dance in long winding lines, like a snake. The Domba is important to secure good rains for the following season.

[…]

Venda Culture: Domba Dance

The most famous of the Venda dances is the Domba, or python dance which is held annually at one of their most sacred sites, Lake Fundudzi to secure good rains for the following season. Young maidens, as the final stage of their initiation into womanhood, line up in single file forming a chain and dance in long fluidly, winding lines, like a snake. Traditionally the dancers wear small aprons covering the back and front, with tasselled ornaments called thahu.”…

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Excerpt #6
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVjfhMr-SUg&ab_channel=ZAMBEMEDIAGROUP
DOMBA ii:Python Dance

ZAMBE MEDIA GROUP, Mar 7, 2020
[video summary] "Domba a traditional school practiced by Vha Venda people of the Limpopo province in South Africa remains a sacred school. However, recurring public performance cause uproar among some group as some patterns are exposed unduly to public.

In this episode we look at what is allowed and when. This ancient school was used to train girls to motherhood."
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Warning: The females in this video (including the young girls) are topless.

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Excerpt #7: Domba

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q93_dIKDw8&ab_channel=bigbluemeanie

bigbluemeanie, Uploaded on Nov 9, 2006

The famous Domba initiation dance of the Venda tribe of Southern Africa
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The women may be topless in this very brief video, but that can't be determined because of the way they are standing.

Here are selected comments from this video's discussion thread (with numbers given for referencing purposes only)
1. bigbluemeanie, 2007
"Imitation?  This is a stage performance by a you[t]h group. This is one short extract from a show which covers a range of South African singing and dancing styles, from traditional to struggle taking in the 1950's Sophiatown, etc. Do you think if they wore mashedo it would be more "authentic"?"

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2.bigbluemeanie, 2007
"I believe that they are based in Soweto, in the Thusong Youth Centre."

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3. filato22, 2010
"you can say that again its more zululized than venda. proudly venda"
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This comment isn't visible in December 17, 2020.

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3. MissAki1, 2011
"What is the exact meaning of this dance? does it represent a snake?"

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4. bigbluemeanie, 2012
"@MissAki1 Domba was the third and final phase in Venda girls' initiation, which should have been attended after a girl had been to vhusha and tshikanda. It took place every three to five years at the head-quarters of chiefs and certain senior headman, and lasted for about one year. Its importance to the Venda was marked by the use of the bass drum (ngoma), which was also used in tshikona, the Venda national dance. There were a number of special rites and shows associated with domba…

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5. lizclarinetful, 2012
"@MissAki1 Domba is the last of a series of initiation schools that prepare girls for marriage. It is emphazise on sex and reproduction. They are designed to prepare girls for the motherhood. Each peformances of the dance symbolize sexual intercouse, and succesive performances symbolize the buiding up of the fetus. The music and the dance symbolize the act of the sexual communion, conception, the growth of the fetus and childbirth"

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6. A
zanian Bantu, 2019
"Tswanas doing a Venda dance 💃🏾💋🥰"


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Monday, January 7, 2013

Similarities Between South Africa's Venda Culture's Domba (Python) Dance & Historically African American Greek Letter Sororities Probate Line Formations

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest revision - June 6, 2026

This pancocojams post presents videos that suggest some similarities between the Venda (South African) female initiation dance known as the python dance and the very close contact processional formation used by some historically Black Greek lettered sororities' probate groups when those groups enter the performance area for their probate* show.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, cultural, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the Venda people of South Africa. Thanks to all the performers featured in these videos. Thanks also to the authors & commenters whose comments are featured in this post and thanks to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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This same post was originally published at https://zumalayah.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-venda-python-dance-information.html

Click the Venda Domba (python dance) tag  for other pancocojams posts of the subject of Venda Domba dance and click the fraternity and sorority probates tag for other pancocojams posts on the subject of historically Black Greek letter fraternities and sororities probates.

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PANOCOCO JAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
This pancocojams post is meant to point out the similarities in these historically Black Greek letter sorority vertical line formations, and not to assert that the Venda dance was the source for this type of probate processional formation. That said, I believe that it's quite possible that the South African Venda female initiation dance might have been the inspiration or one of the inspirations for this historically Black sorority vertical line formation.

Here's a definition of "probate" in the context of sororities & fraternities: A probate is a show that introduces new members of a sorority (or fraternity) to other members of their sorority (or fraternity), to other "Greeks", to family, friends, and to other onlookers. For historically Black sororities and fraternities, probate shows heavily involve the performance art of stepping. 

Traditionally, Black Greek lettered fraternities also appear to have a formation in which they stand close to the person in front of them and sing or chant. However, in the videos I've seen the men lock arms but don't rest their head on the back of the person standing in front of them, nor do they hold hands with the person in front of & behind them.

Click http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdgwjN11AyY "Zoom Zoom" (Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity) for an example of this type of close fraternity vertical line formation.

My guess is that the very close line formation symbolizes the group's unity. The ability to act as one body that is demonstrated by the group's synchronized movements may symbolizes the cohesiveness that was forged as a result of the individuals' experiences of becoming members of their group. Also, the group's moving forward with their eyes closed and/or with their heads resting on their sister's back and being led by one member may represents the group's trust in each other, and especially their trust in that lead sister. Furthermore, the group moving forward in spite of their tiredness highlights the importance of the goal and the value of perseverance to reach that goal..

It's possible that the Venda python dance also has those meanings in addition to the cultural meanings which were given in the above quote about that dance.

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INFORMATION ABOUT THE VENDA
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venda_people
"The Venda (VhaVenda or Vhangona) are a Southern African Bantu people living mostly near the South African-Zimbabwean border.

Venda people share ancestry with Lobedu people and Kalanga people. They are also related to Sotho-Tswana and Shona groups."...

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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venda 
"Venda was a Bantustan in northern South Africa, which is fairly close to the South African border with Zimbabwe to the north, while to the south and east, it shared a long border with another black homeland, Gazankulu. It is now part of the Limpopo province [of the nation of South Africa]. Venda was founded as a homeland by the South African government for the Venda people, speakers of the Venda language.[4] The United Nations and international community refused to recognise Venda (or any other Bantustan) as an independent state."... 

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I added the words in brackets to further explain the end of that sentence.

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DESCRIPTION OF THE VENDA PYTHON DANCE & ITS SIMILARITY TO THE HISTORICALLY BLACK SORORITY PROBATE ENTRANCE FORMATION
I'm not sure if there is a standard name or any name for the commonly performed historically Black (African American) sorority probate (new members) entrance march which is the focus of this post. However, that very close contact vertical line formation is very similar to that which is described for the Venda people's "python dance" at Domba initiation rituals.

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SYMBOLISM OF THE VENDA PYTHON DANCE
Here is information about the symbolism of the Venda python dance (also known as the Venda "Domba" dance:

[Note: On December 17, 2020 I replaced the original excerpt that was included in this post for the excerpt given below.]
   
From 2008 pdf by Kent D. Fowler, University of Manitoba entitled "Social Memory and the Antiquity of Python and Crocodile Symbolism in Southern Africa"
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Pythons, on the other hand, are directly associated with leadership in Shona, Venda and Zulu cultures. In Venda court art, python and crocodile imagery are paired, with crocodile images in the centre surrounded by those of pythons (Huffman 1996:89). In the Venda “python dance”, the same structure is found. Initiates dance in an undulating line emulating a python encircling a pool represented by the central court. In this context, the python is the “snake of the water”, a metaphor for female fertility. Pythons are also paired with the mountain imagery of chiefs and referred to as “snake of the mountain”. On some hilltops, it is believed that pythons guard the entrance of caves that contain pools that are portals to the world of ancestors (Huffman 1996:91). When linked to chieftainship and hilltops, pythons are the “snake of the mountain” and invoke linked metaphors for rainmaking, young and junior men, and male virility."...
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2020/12/pdf-excerpt-about-symbolism-of-pythons.html for the pancocojams post entitled "
PDF Excerpt About The Symbolism Of Pythons And Crocodiles In Venda (South African) Culture". Additional statements about this subject are included in the comment section of that post. 

Also, click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2020/12/traditional-performance-and.html for the 2020 pancocojams post entitled "Contemporary Changes In Where and How The Venda (South African) Domba Dance (also known as the Python Dance) Is Performed".

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Additional comments about the python dance that are performed at the Domba are found below the video that is given as "Video #1" in this post.

Two of the YouTube videos of that dance (given here as Videos #1 & #2) show the female in the front of the line with one or both of her hands held out to suggest a snake's head. The faces of the females in the line are expressionless and their eyes are closed. Each woman behind the woman at the head of the line lays her head on the back of the woman in front of them. The impression I got from the dance that the women were very tired and were slowly walking forward in their sleep. Occasionally, the right arms and then the left arms of the entire group rhythmically undulate in a synchronized manner as the group slowly proceeds across the floor.

Judging from YouTube videos of historically Black Greek lettered sororities that I have watched, the line formation described above but without the undulating arm movement, and without the hands held out to suggest a snake's head appears to be commonly used as the entrance procession for most Black Greek lettered sorority probates. 

I've not reviewed many videos of the five historically Black Greek lettered fraternities to determine if each of those organizations have a similar close contact formation for their probates or their other members. However, I came across this video of a similar formation by members of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdgwjN11AyY". In this video the men stand very close together with locked arms and without moving away from their spot. The first man in line doesn't fold his hands in a triangle position, and the men after the first person in line don't lay their head on the person in front of them.

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VIDEOS OF THE VENDA PYTHON DANCE (AT VENDA DOMBAS)
Pancocojams Editor's note [September 9, 2018]

A video that was previously given as Video #2 has been deleted because it is no longer available on YouTube.]

Video #1: Domba



bigbluemeanie, Uploaded on Nov 9, 2006

The famous Domba initiation dance of the Venda tribe of Southern Africa
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Here are two comments from this video's viewer comment thread:
filato22, 2010

you can say that again its more zululized than venda. proudly venda
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bigbluemeanie, 2012
..."Domba was the third and final phase in Venda girls' initiation, which should have been attended after a girl had been to vhusha and tshikanda. It took place every three to five years at the head-quarters of chiefs and certain senior headman, and lasted for about one year. Its importance to the Venda was marked by the use of the bass drum (ngoma), which was also used in tshikona, the Venda national dance. There were a number of special rites and shows associated with domba…

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Video #2: Domba La Africa



dombalaafrica, Uploaded on Feb 26, 2010

Traditional Dance Group based in Soweto. Founded by the Late Co-founder of the Soweto Gospel Choir and Musical Director David Mulovhedzi
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The Domba dance is performed in this video from .53 to 1:01 and the video ends with a still photograph of that dance.

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Video #3: venda dance



nkosiafrika, Uploaded on May 13, 2010

great va venda mothers proudly dance @a wddng in soweto south africa

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VIDEOS OF PROBATE ENTRANCES OF HISTORICALLY BLACK GREEK LETTERED SORORITIES

(These are selected videos of the four historically (predominately) Black [African American] Greek lettered sororities which are members of the are featured below in the order of their founding, with the oldest sorority presented first.)

Click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Pan-Hellenic_Council for information about the National Pan-Hellenic Council (informally known as "the Divine Nine").

Example #1: Towson's Alpha Kappa Alpha Probate 2012



TowerlightVideo, Published on May 9, 2012 [Towson University, Baltimore, Maryland]
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Click http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrLaf-pjaBs
AKA, Alpha chapter probate 2010 at Howard University part 1
(.36 – 2.50) for another way that AKA probates proceed into the performance area. The women hold the hands of the person in front of them and behind them (down by their waist) with their heads held down.

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Example #2: Delta Sigma Theta Lambda Psi 2010 Probate Part 1: Intro



emoang, Uploaded on Apr 11, 2010 [University of Florida]
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According to several commenters on viewer thread, sorors in front in white are doing what is called a "duck walk" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPN0kMnlseA

Also, click http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX7yAMm5Rao&feature=endscreen (.23-.41) for another example of a Delta Sigma Theta, Inc probate formation that is similar to the South African Venda python dance.

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Example #3: Zeta Phi Beta Pi Epsilon Chapter Fall 2012 Probate UTK PART 1



wally2774, Published on Oct 21, 2012

Zeta Phi Beta Pi Epsilon Chapter Fall 2012 Probate UTK [University of Tennessee, Knoxville]
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Click http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vheMT1sQWEY for another example of this close contact vertical line procession from a Zeta Phi Beta chapter.

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Example #4: SSU SGRho Probate 2K10



shannonkhoward54, Uploaded on Dec 14, 2010
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Click http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CVBRLEeQpc for an example of a Sigma Gamma Rho vertical line procession in which the probates move in a style which is similar if not the same as a stroll (party walk). Besides the half mask that the probates wear, the only differences that I can see between this formation and a party walk is that the probates may be bent down lower then usual as they stroll, and the probates are holding the hand of the person in front & in back of them (arms distance). The first probate is led by another sorority member.

[Warning: The recorded music that the group is strolling to includes some mild profanity & the "n word".]

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