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"Sh0wTime dives deep into the HBCU vs. PWI band rivalry.
Explore the distinct musical styles, traditions, and showmanship of each.
Discover the history and cultural impact of these iconic marching bands."
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Statistics as of March 6, 2026 at *:34 AM EST
total # of views -101,539
total # of comments - 643
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Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post showcases a December 2025 Showtime video about the differences between HBCU marching bands and PWI marching bands.
This post also presents a few selected comments from that video's discussion thread.
The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural and entertainment purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Showtime for producing and publishing this video. Thanks to all those who are featured in this video and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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HBCU= Historically Black Colleges and Universities
PWI= Predominately White Institutions
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/08/two-comedic-re-enactments-comparing.html for the 2024 pancocojams post "Two Videos Of Black Stand Up Comics Comparing The Marching Styles Of Historically Black Universities And Non-Historically Black University Bands (with information & comments)."
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SELECTED COMMENTS
(Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uIHGNVcZQw
January 2026
1. @BoatsandHeauxs
"I couldn’t even get 12 secs into the video. I’d rather read
the comments because we ALL know the answer."
2.@J4Eddy208
"2:29 “You could accidentally play a wrong and terrible
sound” as one of the greatest hbcu trumpet players ever is on the screen is
crazy work"
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3.@Sh0wTime_101
"lol, yeah Ik he goes crazy I just used this clip as more of
a b roll film cuz I couldn’t find anything else 💀
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4.@kryptism
"The difference is when HBCU bands hit the field, nobody
leaves their seats! But when PWl bands hit the field, everyone go for a
bathroom break & a beer run!😉"
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5.@l0af_o
"Also at PWI they feel free to cut through the band when
theyre marching. Blew my mind when I saw that"
6.@katieinvalpo
" @l0af_o Not at Purdue. That does not happen"
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7.@Dlo2tuff
"I would agree but you got schools like auburn Bama lsu and
Ohio state"
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8.@kryptism
"And who they learned that from? @Dlo2tuff !🤔"
9. @n4nao
" @kryptism what does
this even mean they learned from having a good college band program that
arranged halftime shows well😭"
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10.@sierragurth7322
" @kryptism Ohio
State literally set the standard for Core Style Marching Bands across the US."
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11.@crmurray04
"Both are good when they stick to their style of
entertainment. That's why I always roll my eyes when PWIs play Neck, Swag Surf,
and anything that is culturally ours. We did it for so long and then it's like
one Fall, two SEC bands went to an HBCU and took a handful of stadium songs.
The reactions are not the same in any context and it always shows."
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12.@pearlyouniverse8553
"There is no versus. HBCUs are the standard, the rule, the
goal for marching bands."
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13. @kRod200, Feb. 2026
"The standard and goal for marching bands is drum corps,
every marching musician’s dream is to go to the Blue Devils or Santa Clara
Vanguard or Boston Crusaders only the very best get in."
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14. @pearlyouniverse8553, Feb. 2026
"@kRod200 Best is subjective, and certainly, the standards
have been influenced greatly by the Black American drum corps and HBCUs.
They absolutely set the precedent and created a culture of competitive drum major elites."
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15. @AkashaDreamsDotCom
"Wouldn't the standard be the first marching bands? Were they
black? No."
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16. @pearlyouniverse8553
"@AkashaDreamsDotCom STANDARD - Noun
1. a level of quality or attainment.
Similar:
quality
level
grade
degree
worth
calibre
merit
excellence
2. Something used as a measure, norm, or model in
comparative evaluations."
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17. @anthonybarnes1903
" @AkashaDreamsDotCom much of what we see from modern marching
bands is strongly influenced by African American military veterans. Even if
they weren’t the first ones to do it."
18.
"in a nutshell the PWI bands are stealing/hijacking poorly
everything from HBCU bands, the neck song, the back bend drum major, the head
bob, everything PWIs have never done of their own initiative..."
19. @kay-collins
"Exactly!!"
20. @MrGrombie, Feb 2026
"Ehhhh...... By that same argument, where are Trumpets,
trombones, clarinets..... in African culture?
When people are putting on a show, don't complain and just
enjoy.
Ain't no one stealing......
This is what WE BOTH enjoy. Don't ruin it by having a victim
based mindset for no reason.
That said, I say the same thing to white people who have the
same dumb mentality as you.
So don't think I am in it for the BS.
Art is meant for everyone.
That is what we ALL SHARE. Grow up.
We are all pink on the inside.
And this universe is already dangerous enough without us
trying to make enemies where there are none."
21. @dragonfang579
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22. @Santiago-in1xf
"They saw "Bring It On" and thought, we should do
that with bands too."
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bring_It_On_(film)
"Bring It On is a 2000 American teen comedy film directed by
Peyton Reed (in his theatrical film directing debut) and written by Jessica
Bendinger. …. The plot of the film centers on two high-school cheerleading
teams' preparation for a national competition.
Bring It On was released in theaters in North America on August 25, 2000, and became a box office success. The film opened at the number 1 spot in North American theaters and remained in the position for two consecutive weeks, earning a worldwide gross of approximately $90 million. The film received generally positive reviews and has become a cult classic.[3][4][5]
The film's depiction of cultural appropriation was informed
by Bendinger's experiences as a white writer covering hip hop artists at music
magazine Spin, a predominantly white publication.[7][8] ....
It is the first of the Bring It On film series and was
followed by six direct-to-video sequels, none of which contains any of the
original cast members [from 2004 to 2017] and the 2022 TV film.”…
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23. @oculusdexterx, Feb. 2026
"@Santiago-in1xf NOPE THEY SAW DRUMLINE!!! LITERARILY TWO
YEARS AFER THAT MOVIE PWI STARTED COPYING BLACK MARCHING BAND STYLE. IT
HONESTLY PISSES ME OFF. THE ONLY THING LEFT IS STEPPING. GOOD A THING WE STILL
DO IT BETTER AND WE INNOVATE"
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from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drumline_(film)
"Drumline is a 2002 American coming-of-age teen comedy-drama
film directed by Charles Stone III. The screenplay, which was inspired by the
Southwest Dekalb High School Marching Panthers in Decatur, Georgia, was written
by Tina Gordon Chism and Shawn Schepps. The film follows a young drummer from
New York, played by Nick Cannon, who enters the fictional Atlanta A&T
University and bumps heads with the leader of his new school's drum section....
The
film received generally positive reviews from critics, with most of them
praising the musical bands' overall performances. It was a success at the box
office, earning over $56 million in the U.S., and almost $1.2 million in
foreign markets"...
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24. @ShanecaRene, Feb 2026
"@oculusdexterx you
know they say imitation is the best form of flattery..if I were them I'd copy
the HBCU bands too 😂"
25, @lillybart-s9i
"yes, you saw in the clip he picked--he was using a PWI band
doing "Neck" which was invented by HBCU bands. The PWI bands are now trying to imitate some
of the HBCU songs.
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,24-,34 in this embedded video is of a PWI band playing the African American funk music group Cameo's 1984 hit "Talkin' Out The Side Of Your Neck" (commonly known as "Neck" in HBCU marching band culture.
Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/03/what-talkin-out-side-of-your-neck-means.html for Part I of this series. Part I provides definitions of the African American Vernacular English saying "talking out the side of your neck" and showcases a YouTube video of Funk group Cameo's 1984 recording of that song. Song lyrics and selected comments from that video's discussion thread are also included in this post.
Click for https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/03/comments-videos-of-marching-band-tune.html for Part II of that series. That post is entitled "Comments & Videos Of The Marching Band Tune "Neck" ("Talkin' Out The Side Of Your Neck")".
26. @mylokaf
"PWI bands used to thumb their noses at HBCU bands. But like
always, they eventually started adopting some of the same things we were doing.
You also see this in white churches, etc.."
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27. @vrjanice2
"Now the Koreans are doing it now too."
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28. @cameronbelcher5857
"They saw the movie drum line and that's when they started to
copy them!"
29. @Geopirate3
"PWI bands changed when Black people started going to them in
decent numbers. 2 of the PWI bands he pointed out Auburn and Georgia have Black
folks too. It's clearly not the same level as an HBCU, but 30-50 Black folks
out of a band of 300 makes a difference."
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30. @JG-tr9py
"All they know how to do is bite. They duplicate, but can NEVER replicate."
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31. @EyeOfTheWatcher
"No one should be surprised by the copying of HBCU bands. I
think I like the most about HBCUs bands is that all of them have their own
styles that are a reflection of the black people of that area."
"I think that they copy the HBCU bands because their normal
music is boring and ordinary."
33. @Ulyseessmith
"@josebrown5961 true
for the most part. Their music can be fun but it’s not until a bunch does it.
Jackson states arrangement for Applause by Lady Gaga made the song listenable
and the dancers killed it too😂"
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34.
"They can copy all they want but the energy, soul &
natural physicality required to do what HBCU's do is virtually impossible you
can't fake the funk"
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35. @cathyrussell6257
"Exactly!"
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36. @carameldelight5814
"That part😂😂"
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37. @tzompantliblanco
"natural physicality?"
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38. @69TT
"@tzompantliblanco
yes those grueling relentless practices while carrying instruments and
staying in rhythm while dancing their natural physical strength enables them to
pull off flawless performances all of that comes from birth born to endure what
would seem painful for some they do it because of their Gods given natural
physical strength"
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39. @LisaEllis-rt3xh, Feb 2026
"Amen!"
40. @LisaEllis-rt3xh, Feb 2026
"Facts!"
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41.@therealmccoy2004
"First off "neck" is a HBCU song its not PWI! YOU
started this video wrong already!"
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42. @RobotRebelCinema
"It was a PWI playing the song. A LOT of PWI's have been playing Neck for years. And
the one you heard in the video was most likely LSU."
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43. @googlea2692
"@RobotRebelCinema
Yes but lsu gets the chant from southern a hbcu"
44.@dragonfang579
" @RobotRebelCinema no...they have not...PWIs started
playing those songs very very recently...check out a game film from those bands
pre-1990s-00s they sound like a band from 1776...save a few Movie soundtracks"
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"@RobotRebelCinema ...comparatively..... not long at all"
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46. @Spectonimous
"@RobotRebelCinema a decade is not that long"
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47. @dragonfang579
"@RobotRebelCinema Neck is a VA-HBCU ANTHEM originally"
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48. @God_First_6_33
"HBCUs-People come for the musicianship of the band
PWI-People come for the game....My thoughts."
49. @blaquepearlzchocolatediamndz77, Feb 2026
"We ALWAYS have to put some flava into it 😂"
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50. @FunkyBruja, Feb. 2026
"There is absolutely no comparison."
51. @courtneycuthrell4550< Feb 2026
"Just like all things HBCU's
& black folks have done. We created it they just hate and then try to duplicate. We are and always wiil be
the originals because were just built like that. Love my people. ❤❤❤
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