Dave and Ava - Nursery Rhymes and Baby Songs, Nov 5, 2015
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Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post presents information about the Dave And Ava Nursery Rhymes And Baby Songs YouTube channel from AI Overview and from a Reddit.com discussion thread..
This post also presents some online write-ups about that YouTube channel from this pancocojams blog with a focus on that channel's depiction of Black characters as monkeys.
In addition, this post showcases five YouTube video examples from Dave And Ava's YouTube channel.
The content of this post is presented for historical and socio-cultural purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2022/04/stereotypical-images-of-black-people-in.html for the closely related 2022 pancocojams post "Stereotypical Images Of Black People In Children's Cartoons:
Dave & Ava's YouTube Channel STILL Includes Cartoons With Black People
Drawn As Monkeys"
..."That post also includes selected tweets from Dave & Ava's twitter account that were published from 2015 to March 2022. Those tweets focus on Dave & Ava's "Five Little Monkeys" cartoon and some other Dave & Ava cartoons in which Black people are stereotypically drawn as monkeys (or monkeys are stereotypically drawn as Black people).
In addition, that post reprints all of the comments to date that were posted to my 2014 pancocojams post entitled "The Racist Roots Of The Five Little Monkeys Chant" https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-racist-roots-of-five-little-monkeys.html"...
Some content in that post is included in this 2026 pancocojams post.
In addition, click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/01/the-history-and-current-customs-of.html for this related 2026 pancocojams post: "The History And Current Customs Of Associating Apes And Monkeys With Black People"
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VIDEO #2 - Apples and Bananas Song | Nursery Rhymes and Baby Songs from
Dave and Ava
Dave and Ava - Nursery Rhymes and Baby Songs, May 18, 2016
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VIDEO #3 - 🍕 Apples and Bananas 2 | Kids Songs | Nursery Rhymes and Kids Songs from Dave and Ava 🍕
Dave and Ava - Nursery Rhymes and Baby Songs, Mar 12, 2017
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VIDEO #4 - Wheels on the Bus | Nursery Rhymes and Baby Songs from Dave and Ava
Dave and Ava - Nursery Rhymes and Baby Songs, Mar 1, 2016
****VIDEO #5 - Ten in the Bed | Nursery Rhymes and Baby Songs | YouTube Nursery Rhymes from Dave and Ava
Dave and Ava - Nursery Rhymes and Baby Songs, Jan 11, 2016
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INFORMATION ABOUT THE DAVE AND AVA'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL
Source #1
https://www.youtube.com/@DaveAndAva Dave and Ava - Nursery Rhymes and Baby Songs
“Dave and Ava Nursery Rhymes” is animated series developed
especially for young children.
Each episode features Dave - a boy dressed as a puppy, and Ava - a girl dressed as a kitten, along with their friends – Matilda the Sheep, Oscar the Kitten, Stella the Star, cute little mouse Philip, Itsy the Spider, Felix MacDonald, Bingo the Puppy, Izzy the Cat and many more.
Our nursery rhymes teach little ones ABCs, numbers, shapes,
colors, and more! Little ones learn to
focus and play independently. You can relax for a moment - Dave and Ava will
entertain your children while teaching them favorite nursery rhymes."...
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Source #2:AI Overview in response to my January 29, 2026 question "Does the Dave And Ava YouTube channel continue to publish new nursery rhyme videos and is that production still based in the Ukraine?
"Dave and Ava continues to produce new nursery rhyme videos, as evidenced by their active YouTube channel and Google Play app updates. While originally developed in Ukraine, specific details regarding the current, day-to-day operational location of their animation team are not explicitly highlighted in their recent public, company-facing, or social media, or app, or YouTube, or website posts."
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Source #3- AI Overview in response to my January 30, 2026 question "When did the Dave and Ava YouTube Channel start?
"Based on common knowledge, the "Dave and Ava - Nursery
Rhymes and Baby Songs" YouTube channel was created in December 2014, with
its first videos uploaded in 2015. The animated series, featuring characters
Dave and Ava, focuses on educational nursery rhymes for young children,
becoming a popular channel on the platform.
Launch Timeframe: The channel was created in late 2014, with
content launching in 2015, as indicated by various sources documenting the rise
of popular children's educational content on YouTube.
Purpose: The channel was created to provide animated nursery
rhymes for toddlers and young children, often featuring characters in costumes
like a puppy and a kitten.
Content: The channel gained popularity for its high-quality
3D animations and catchy songs designed for ages 1-4.
Note: The search results provided did not directly state the
exact date, but confirmed the channel was established as a popular nursery
rhyme brand around that period."
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Source #4
AI Overview January 30, 2026 -Result for my question "Who is the Black woman in some Dave And Ava videos?
Character Role: The character appears in various 3D animated
nursery rhymes to provide a warm, family environment for Dave and Ava.
Representation: She is featured as a, often, central, caring
figure in the educational, animated series, which is popular for its
high-quality 3D animations.
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Source #5
AI Overview -This write-up is the result of my January 29, 2026 question "What are the concerns about Dave And Ava YouTube channel's depiction of Black characters?
"Based on discussions found on platforms like Reddit, Dave
and Ava (a popular YouTube channel for nursery rhymes) faced criticism around
2016–2017 regarding the inclusion of characters that were perceived as racially
insensitive.
Controversial Imagery: The primary concern involved the use
of monkeys in videos alongside Black hairstyles or in contexts that some
viewers interpreted as racist, suggesting a connection between the characters
and negative stereotypes.
Removal of Content: Due to this feedback, the monkey
characters were removed from the videos.
Replacement Characters: Following the backlash, the channel
introduced new, different characters to their content, such as a cow named
Lola, kittens in rabbit suits, and a character referred to as the stepmom.
Note: The search results provided specifically point to a
2016/2017 controversy regarding the inclusion of monkeys with specific
hairstyles, rather than ongoing issues with the current artistic style of the
human characters.
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As shown in the examples of David and Ava YouTube videos in this post, the monkey characters weren't removed from that channel's videos.(as of January 30, 2026).
The word "Reddit" in this write-up is a hyperlink that leads to the online discussion thread https://www.reddit.com/r/DanielTigerConspiracy/comments/okktzt/dave_ava_lore/.
All of the comments from that Reddit.com discussion thread are given in this pancocojams post below.
The Black woman who is referred to in this AI Overview write-up is shown in Video #3 given above.
FYIW, I consider the illustration for that Black woman to be very appropriate. She isn't stereotypically drawn as a monkey.
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM A PANCOCOJAMS BLOG POST AND ITS COMMENTS REGARDING DAVE AND AVA'S YOUTUBE CHANNELS DEPICTION OF BLACK CHARACTERS AS MONKEYS
From https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2022/04/stereotypical-images-of-black-people-in.html
(I assigned numbers to these comments below for referencing purposes only)
1. Azizi Powell, April 15, 2022
In July 2017 I congratulated Dave & Ava's channel for the changes in the way that they drew Black people that some commenters had brought to my attention and that I saw when I viewed a couple of their cartoons. (comment #37 below).
However, as people tweeting on Dave & Ava's twitter account have indicated and as I have confirmed today, while Dave & Ava's channel have changed some of their depictions of Black people, and may have even added a Black step mother who isn't drawn like a monkey, they didn't remove all of the stereotypical cartoons on their channel such as the "Five Little Monkeys Jumping On The Bed" cartoon that is embedded in this pancocojams post. For instance, while they published a 2017 version of "Ten In The Bed" that features cats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLZ9vWKi_3c, they haven't removed the 2016 "Ten In The Bed" cartoon that features Black children who are drawn as monkeys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzAh_yDUIRE
This is what prompted me to publish that pancocojams post on that topic.
Nyx Qualls,
Thanks for your comment. I appreciate your concern. In my opinion, even though "Five Little Monkeys" has racist roots, it can be enjoyed by children and still sung in public.
There are lots of "Five Little Monkeys Jumping On The Bed" videos on YouTube. I think that the racist connotations of this song occur when the monkeys are drawn to look like some Black people.
As a non white parent I have been quite appalled by the more recent depictions of the so-called 5 little monkeys being made very much in the image of black people. I think this is no accident at all. I feel that black and non-white parents as a whole should really monitor the usage of these so-called youtube nursery rhymes paying particular attention to the imagery being used (e.g. Depictions of black people as criminals, monkeys, wolves etc). It has been my experience that these utterly racist depictions normally occur near the middle of the longer (say 50 minute) runs of nursery rhymes and they are easy to miss unless you are sitting with the child and looking at the screen with them. It is depressing to watch such horrible Jim crow style programming being wrapped into a sweet modern looking format. As a parent of color I feel that these nursery rhymes can be used to promote white supremacy in a very deceptive way. I thank the author of this blog for pointing out the origins of some of these seemingly harmless songs. This has been a constructive dialogue.
Thanks anonymous for your comment. And you're welcome.
As a grandmother of a two year old, I've also experienced what you wrote about racist depictions of Black people occurring in long series of nursery rhymes and other children's songs. And I agree that those depictions would be missed if an adult wasn't sitting with the child and watching the screen with them. I offer this series as an egregious example: Five Little Monkeys Jumping on the Bed | Nursery Rhymes Collection | Nursery Rhymes Dave and Ava https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oaMuB4qQDM
And although I usually LOVE chuchu TV's children's series (and my granddaughter loves those videos too), I dislike their version of Five Little Monkeys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWO9uP_VJV8
In addition to what I believe are negative racial depictions, I'm also concerned with some versions of "Five Little Monkeys" which show the other monkeys laughing when one of them falls out the bed and bumps his or her head.
I can't find the version of "Five Little Monkeys" that I used to show my granddaughter (who I regularly babysit). There are so many other good YouTube videos for children that I've not replaced that video with another Five Little Monkeys video that I would consider acceptable.
Ms. Powell,
Thank you again. This is very constructive and informative. Hopefully more people can be made aware so that we can guard against some of the stereotypical programming that seems to perpetuate itself across generations. It really seems like the nursery rhyme monkey imagery on YouTube could fall right in line with some of the minstrel type imagery of the late 1800's.
Again, thank you for the information, discussion, and helpful links.
You're welcome, anonymous.
I thought about publishing a post that includes examples of what I consider to be contemporary racially stereotypical children's cartoon animations, but instead I've decided to focus on presenting some historical and contemporary examples of positive Black culture.
Best wishes!
How in the world is This Racist do you think you're monkeys what how silly
With regard to my comment to Nyx Qualls dated February 13, 2016 at 2:12 PM,
I should have written "drawn to look like stereotypical images of Black people" instead of "drawn to look like Black people".
9. Azizi Powell February 23, 2016 at 9:48 AM
I found the version of "Five Little Monkeys" that I show to my granddaughter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx1NcLZBZ1k Five Little Monkeys | Family Sing Along - Muffin Songs
Also, the monkeys don't laugh when one of them falls off the bed.
If you know other animated examples of that song that you like, feel free to share them.
10. JeremyMarch 5, 2021 at 2:48 PM
Dear Azizi Powell,
In this video I hear the sound of chittering laughter each time a monkey falls out of the bed. On another note, the monkeys seem to be gendered by their clothing, for example, a monkey with a pink bow on their head, but the lyrics refer to the monkey "bumping his head".
I must respectfully disagree with the claim that this song has been sufficiently corrected as it still maintains "little monkeys" in place of the other offensive words used to refer to Black children, since this wording is entirely within the tradition of racist words used to dehumanize Black children. I would argue that any single-word attempt to correct this song is likely to be insufficient, because it cannot hope to reckon with the long racist history of the song. Paraphrasing Angela Davis, I would argue that it's not enough for us to make a non-racist form of this chant - we must make an anti-racist version. Perhaps something like...
"Five white supremacists on their pyramid,
One not white enough they had to get rid,
People called a protest and the people said,
Let's tear down this racist pyramid!"
The song could go on to detail some other ways that white supremacy excludes people and creates hierarchies of power and control, such as perfectionism (not perfect enough), purity (not pure enough), strength (not strong enough), etc...but perhaps this isn't quite enough. I note that it shows that white supremacists are eliminating people that don't conform to their philosophy, but the people are effectively waiting for the white supremacists to eliminate themselves while just shouting to tear down the pyramid. I would like to depict the people in a more powerful active role in undermining white supremacy and racism. Any thoughts?
Thanks for your comment, Jeremy.
I choose not to make any other comments about any "Five Little Monkeys" video or that rhyme.
12. Molly Stern CoachingAugust 19, 2016 at 6:52 PM
I'm so glad I'm not the only one watching Dave and Ava and thinking oh my gosh they are portraying the black family as monkeys! Totally unacceptable!!
Hi Molly.
So I'm not the only one who thought this, un?
And I liked watching a few other episodes of that cartoon with my pre-school granddaughter- until I began to watch that one with her and saw the way they depicted Black people . After that- the entire series is off the list of which cartoons my granddaughter can watch.
No you're not alone! Especially when the two white kids look perfectly human and all the other animals just look like animals. Then all of a sudden there is the monkey family that definitely looks like it's suppose to be a human-animal cross. It's awful, it's off our list too.
I'm glad that you stopped watching Dave and Ava cartoons because of the way that they depicted monkeys to look like Black people. I turned off that Dave and Ava series because of the way that they drew the monkeys in that five little monkeys cartoon and my granddaughter hasn't been allowed to watch that series since that time.
If enough people who watched Dave and Ava cartoons stop watching that series because of the offensive way that they drew those monkeys and if enough people who would watch Dave and Ava cartoons boycott Dave and Ava cartoons because of that depiction, then maybe the producers of those cartoons will get a clue and draw monkeys so that they don't look like stereotypical Black people.
16. Laura PhillipsSeptember 19, 2016 at 1:45 PM
What is up with Dave and Ava? It's not just the appalling "5 Little Monkeys," it's the "Apples and Bananas" song where, not only do the monkeys steal from the white kids (who chase them), they dance. The whole show is just creepy.
Laura Phillips,
Ugh! I hadn't watched Dave and Ava's "Apples and Bananas" animation until you mentioned it in your comment.
You are right. The drawing of the monkeys with their stereotypical Black hairstyles is appalling.
The author of this page http://ukrainegoodnews.com/dave_and_ava_breaks_records_in_usa.html, written in May 2015, indicates that "For one month and a half 15 000 000 Americans have watched 'Dave and Ava' cartoon. It is an incredible success not just for Ukrainian 3D animation but for all Ukrainian cinematography.
Animation 'Dave and Ava' is 100% Ukrainian product: idea, plot, direction, team of 3D animators, composers, voice actors and financing."
The cartoon is produced at animation studio in Lviv. However, the cartoon is available in English because it was produced for English speaking audience."....
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There are no comments to date for that article. I just wrote this comment:
"The animators of Dave and Ava cartoons should be aware that their depictions of monkeys (including their hairstyles) are offensive to Black people. (see for instance, the Dave and Ava "Five Little Monkeys" and the Dave and Ava "Apples And Bananas" cartoons.)
And it is not just Black Americans who have noted this and are letting others know about it. Read for example the comments on this blog http://pancocojams.blogspot.co...
Hopefully, the animators will become more socially conscious and change these drawings.
-signed the editor of that above mentioned blog and a grandmother who will never allow her pre-school grandchildren watch Dave and Ava because of those stereotypical depictions."
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It appears that that comment was published without the specific link for this post. I added a reply with the title of this blog post.
It's a cartoon. Y'all should be ashamed. You promote it. Looking for the bad in kids cartoons. Leave the people of dave and ava alone. My daughter loves them. It's people like this who keep the hate alive. Quit grasping at straws.
Thanks John, I 100% agree with you. If you ask a 2 yr old what the song means he will tell you it's monkeys jumping on the bed!!! Parents are the real issue reading too much into a simple cartoon.
20. AnonymousSeptember 22, 2016 at 12:03 PM
I am neither black or white, my husband is of East Indian descent and I am asain. We were both very disturbed by the racial connotations depicted in Dave and Ava when watching with our 1 year old son and have decided to boycott the show from our house.
Thanks, anonymous.
I appreciate your comment. Dave and Ava's animators should be aware of the racist connotations in their cartoons and change those drawings, for all of our children's sake.
This comment was posted to http://ukrainegoodnews.com/dave_and_ava_breaks_records_in_usa.html in reply to my comment written on September 22, 2016
Jaquelynn Herrera Azizi Powell • 3 days ago [October 9, 2016]
"Agreed. My 19 month old daughter pointed to a group of African Americans and yelled "Monkeys!" I was mortified and couldn't understand why she was so adamant. I mentioned it to my mother who put it together...I now bypass all those nursery rhymes."
I wrote this in reply:
Azizi Powell Jaquelynn Herrera • a few seconds ago
"Thanks for your comment, Jacquelynn Herrera.
Hopefully, the producers of Dave and Ava cartoons are aware of the negative consequences of the stereotypical depictions in their cartoons and will change them."
Dave and ava have since added an actual black character who is not a stereotype. she appears to be the kids mom.
Thanks for that information, Anonymous.
What is a name of a cartoon in which this character appears?
Hi Azizi,
I believe they have been including her in most of the recent ones. Apples and bananas part 2 I believe it's called is one of them.
-Andrew
Thanks for that information, Andrew.
I watched the Dave & Ava Apples and bananas part 2 video that you referred me to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0FiMc7BOT0&t=869s.
I found the artists' depiction of Black people to be very much improved from the five little monkey video that I had critiqued and mentioned in this pancocojams post.
You (or another anonymous commenter) wrote that the Black woman with the curly hair and glasses "appears to be the kids mom". I'm curious if she is identified as their biological mother or their step mother in one of this cartoon's episodes and if so which one?
Also, I noticed that in the "Miss Polly Had A Dolly" segment [beginning at 12:40 in that same video] Ava plays with a Black doll who is also drawn without stereotypical characteristics. I'm very pleased with that depiction.
The "Wheels On The Bus" segment beginning around 12:20] has a monkey family that appears to drawn as though they are a Black family. Given the stereotype [in the USA and I think elsewhere] of Black people as monkeys I'm not thrilled about that depiction and would have preferred that the characters on the bus be drawn as some other animals and not monkeys. That said, the drawings were considerably better than the "Five Little Monkeys" caricatures of Black people that I commented on before. (For instance, the little girl in the "Wheels On The Bus" segment had her hair in a pony tail and not the multiple braids sticking out of her hair like the previous drawing of the girl monkey had.
Thanks again for letting me (and other pancocojams visitors) know about this (and other) new Dave & Ava episodes.
And thank you very much to the artists and other production staff of this Dave & Ava cartoon!
The Wheels on the Bus one actually bothered me the most, as a white bus rider who's used to being the only white person on a bus in a major US city. It makes me wonder if it's truly an accident/coincidence or if someone involved in making the cartoon had had that experience. It definitely seems inappropriate to show to American children who might ever ride buses.
28. Azizi PowellOctober 26, 2020 at 8:30 AM
Thanks for your comment Jillian.
For the record, I choose not to revisit that cartoon and I choose not to speculate about the motives of those associated with making that or other cartoons.
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I find their videos blatantly racist! Main characters have bright blue and green eyes subliminally representing the perceived racial class of Caucasians. The main characters always look way better than the rest of the characters, usually represented as non-Caucasians in every video, as if non-Caucasians can never look as good.
Initially, I did not think much of it, but as I watched more along with my son it stared to hit me that it was in fact racist, very much so. Out of all their videos, I find "Five Little Monkeys" video especially racist.
I am not for hyper political correctness, but I find Dave and Ava cartoons to be racist and wrong.
It's no surprise that they are from Ukraine.
As pointed by others as well, I have boycotted that channel at our residence.
Thanks for your comments, Brian Scott.
That's a bit rich, especially accusing creators of being racist and immediately making generalizations about their nation as a whole.
The absolute majority of Ukrainians have never seen a black person in real life, the country has no history of slavery and racial tensions to the extent that the US and certain European countries do, and there is therefore no inherent evil monkey stereotypes. Characters from the 'Five Little Monkeys' actually seem to be loosely based on an old Soviet cartoon about five mischievous young monkeys living in a zoo with other anthropomorphic animals, and the trouble they cause to their ever-exhausted but ingenious mum and everyone else. A nod to parents from their expected audience, who are likely to remember these cartoons fondly from their own childhood.
I am sure the creators found their product very unexpectedly popular outside of their own country (where it was marketed as series for early years English acquisition) and were mortified by how the global community read the message behind the characters. They actually made a massive effort introducing a much better representation of racial diversity into the new series. Dave and Ava's mother (stepmother?) introduced in the new episodes, is actually Black.
Here is the original Soviet cartoon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2K2l02C9As&t
Unknown, thanks for your comment.
I refer you to all the comments that I've made about my opinions about the depictions on that series.
Recently Dave and Ava have replaced many of the songs that had the monkey family in them with a group of kittens including the 10 in the bed video
https://youtu.be/25WIA-7LZFg new version with kittens
35. Azizi PowellApril 2, 2017 at 7:48 PM
Thanks for sharing that information, Rose Whiting.
When I put that link in Google, it directed me to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25WIA-7LZFg&feature=youtu.be.
36. AnonymousJuly 16, 2017 at 11:59 AM
People this a nonsense.... It has become a childs song. And its used as such.... No one is being racist with this version of the song.... So why bring it there? Dave and ava has by far been the best in my opinion at being catchy educational and fun for my little one and many others... Why pick apart somthing out of thier control? My little one love 5 little monkeys and it definatly isnt out of racist slander!
37. Azizi PowellJuly 16, 2017 at 2:20 PM
Thanks for your sharing your opinion, Anonymous.
I've agree that Dave and Ava videos might be educational and fun. I pointed out what I believed-and still believe-to be stereotypical depictions of Black people in that particular video and I've since learn those depictions were in some other videos from that animated series and have since been changed.
I was saw the dave and eva five monkey family and thought it depicts black people as monkeys. I decided to check it online and saw this post. They should remove that particular monkey family song to show that they have changed. Some people claim that they are just depicting animated monkeys, why not depict white people also after all there are beige coloured babus (monkey) that has caucasian like colour of skin. That Dave and Eva video is pure subliminal racist message to kids.
39. MotunrayoJanuary 24, 2019 at 10:23 PM
OMG!!! I started watching this horrible cartoon called Dave and Ava and wstched this 5 little monkeys. I was so appalled by it. It is extremely racist. When did monkeys stat having two legs and braiding their hair? You tube must take it down with the apples and banana song as well. Higy creepy and disgusting. It really has a white supremacist undertone and any intelligent person will realize this. What a shame on these perpetrators of evil.. I wish we can all sign a petition so that it can be banned on youtube.
Thanks for your comment, Motunrayo.
I've already shared my opinion about that particular Dave and Ava cartoon and I understand that the animators have improved their depictions of certain characters.
41. UnknownFebruary 27, 2019 at 4:48 PM
Im sorry but I dont find any trance of racist subliminal, in fact there was a baby African American doll being held by the caucasian baby girl. I don't think they would be irresponsible or be idiots to portray something like this. They have animals of or sorts on the show. I guess thats liberals way of thinking.
42. Azizi PowellFebruary 27, 2019 at 6:13 PM
Thanks for your comment, Unknown.
As to my opinion about whether this particular episode of this cartoon is racist or not, read my previous comments.
43. AnonymousMarch 12, 2019 at 4:27 PM
Opinions may come and go. The outer appearance nor the color of ones skin determines who a person really is inside. The content of ones character reveals the heart. The Bible says "from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." John 3:16 says "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believe in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." God is love. No one can change the word of God, no matter what other people think about you.
Thanks for your comment, Anonymous.
45 UnknownSeptember 26, 2019 at 1:55 AM
strange that some people get offended with this cartoon
46. Azizi PowellSeptember 15, 2020 at 9:39 AM
It's disturbing that some people don't get offended by that cartoon.
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From https://www.reddit.com/r/DanielTigerConspiracy/comments/okktzt/dave_ava_lore/
Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.
1. r/DanielTigerConspiracy
madammayorislove 2020
I work in preschool and I have so many questions about these
two.
Were they adopted? Is their mom their step-mom? Are they just light skinned?
The intro makes it look like they're imagining it all in their head and I hope so because otherwise, Farmer and Mom let them go on hikes, row their boats and play with a stray mouse.
The dad also seems to have anger issues and I just...am I
alone in this hysteria?"
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2. [deleted], 2020
"My daughter was mildly addicted to Dave and Ava and I
couldn’t help inventing a head canon.
The door to the rabbit hole is the video for Baa Baa Black Sheep (r/BrandNewSentence). There are pictures on each of the bags of wool. “One for the Master, one for the Dame, one for the little boy who lives down the lane.”
The Master is the Farmer in other videos. The Boy is Dave. The bag for the Dame has a picture of a woman who to my knowledge appears in no other D&A shorts. Let’s face it. These are not high budget cartoons. Why on earth would they make a character model for a person who doesn’t have any significance?
My theory: the Dame is Dave, and presumably Ava’s, biological mother (it’s been a while since I’ve had to watch these videos, so I don’t recall if they are explicitly siblings).
Assuming that the relationships between characters are not part of the children’s imagination, the Farmer and the mother figure in most shorts (“Mom”) seem to be married, or at least in a romantic relationship (see the video for Farmer in the Dell). Mom in this case i believe is a step-mother to D&A.
But what happened to the Dame? If it was divorce, she didn’t
even get partial custody, because we don’t see the kids with her at all.
Curious what your evidence is for the Farmer’s anger issues. Did something
nefarious happen to the Dame?"
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3. ediotTV, 2021
"I am a 3D modeler and can confirm that it is not a modified
version of ava. It seems that it is a new model."
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4. ediotTV, 2021
"and btw, D&A's parents have a new baby boy. Don't know
his name yet.He shortly appears on some scenes that are weirdly placed.So I
review some of the footages and I discovered that there are two versions of
some same videos like ring around the rosie. They replaced the green kitten
with the brown baby with green cat costume.At 1:04 of the video, shows a baby
boy on the left side. Initially it was a kitten before.See this linkBaby boy
appearance
On some occasion you will see this baby turned away on the camera and barely shows his skin."
5.
"So, this confirms that the mom is the step-mom/adoptive mom."
6.
"Here are some trivia.
Dave and Ava was bashed in the internet maybe around 2016 or
2017 regarding the issue of black and monkeys. Because the people says it is a
form of racism. The monkeys have some impulsive attitude and they have a black
hairstyles as well so monkey has been removed since then. Later they introduced
a new character: The cow named Lola, Kittens in a rabbit suit, and D&A's
stepmom."
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7. Lovemygrandbabes, 2022
"My 1 & 2 year old grandsons are Dave & Ava addicts!
So, needless to say I've watched my share. First I love it because it teaches
the kids the traditional/old nursery rhymes that I grew up with. 😊
Regarding the mom/stepmother, I have always taken it that she IS the bio mom. I
personally know a woman who has lily-white skin, but has 3 biological children
who are pretty dark-skinned. You would never know that they are related. Their
dad is dark-skinned. I know another woman who is fair-skinned and had 2
children with a black man, but both of the children have fair skin."
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8. tdkryu, 2021
"So...Dave & Ava is popular in our home, myself being a
lore hound, can not confirm any of it.
Dave & Ava live on a farm, their family name is McDonald.
Johnny McDonald - The Dad is the primary provider and keeps the farm running, not necessarily anger issues, just has a lot on his plate, pretty chill for a guy in charge teaching his children right from wrong, running a business, and yes dealing with the untimely death of his spouse. He has remarried and enjoys fishing in his free time.
Dame McDonald (deceased) - Dave & Ava's biological mom, passed either during or shortly after they were born. Not much else is known. The Blacksheep is the only farm animal that still remembers her. It could be she is the star that watches over them.
Dave & Ava McDonald - twins, seem to be maybe 5-6 in age normal children living as much of a normal life thanks to the care and love of their dad & step-mom. Learning the world and how to help around the farm
'Step-mom' McDonald - I haven't seen any that would mention her by name. Picking up the pieces with Johnny in raising the children, kind and caring, has taken Dave & Ava as her own and supports them in every way she can. She seems to either have been a teacher or is taking on the role for homeschooling.
Baby McDonald - Dave & Ava's half-brother, child of Johnny and' Step-mom'
Farm animals - well they're farm animals...the Blacksheep seems to be the elder of the bunch."
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9. bredani_462, 2021
"I love this breakdown. My son loves D&A and I’ve always
wondered their backstory. They give so much yet so little about their home life
you can’t help but wonder. I wish their was more of an interactive sponsor
responsible for their online presence. At least to quell some noise about who
they are or give them proper names. It would really help to connect better."
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10. Few-Profession3190, 2021
"This is great! What told you they were twins? I had always
thought Ava was younger so I'm super curious.
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11. tdkryu, 2021
"Well... Just their dynamic, Dave sees Ava as a peer not that
he's older. Siblings for sure, they seem to have an extra layer to the bond.
My own family dynamic, I have younger sisters, the younger only a year difference. There is a "I'm the eldest" feel in how we interact. My two older children are two years apart, and my younger two are five years apart, there is a definite feel of the age separation. (Especially the two older and two younger, 20y, 18y, 5y,& 8mo)".
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"Sometimes for fraternal twins they tend to look different
even be different sizes"
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13. Ok_Special1480, 2021
"Having a 1 year old, I've watched my fair share of D&A,
and I've come to the same conclusions as others regarding the parentage of
D&A, the missing bio mom, etc. So I'm glad I'm not alone in overthinking a
kids show on YouTube lol.
If you really want to go further down the rabbit hole... I propose that Dave and Ava live inside a Matrix like simulation since every episode begins with them just in a white void. So that raises more questions about their history and if they are even real or just programs developed to entertain us.
Regardless of if it's the matrix or just a box a magic that
powers everything, there is one more potentially dark secret hiding in the
intro. Since it's only Dave and Ava at the beginning of each episode and the
father and step mom don't show up until the songs start, how do we know they
are even real and aren't just conjurations of the magic/matrix? For all we
know, two lonely children not only created a fairy tale world for themselves,
but also created two loving parents... either from scratch or based on reality"
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14. ilikeKhigh, 2022
"A Dave and ava post? Cool!
I believe the black mom is dave and ava's loving step mom.
She doesn't look related to the white kids"
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15. monicadavis2010, 2022
"What I have learned from their videos since my son
absolutely loves watching them is that they do not live on a farm (probably
obvious) in the very beginning you see them pulling out a “rug” or something
from a box with the word magic on it. They have toy animals but they are
enlarged by their imagination.
The grown woman we see must be their step mom as in a few videos we see a mixed baby. Not sure why the baby isn’t in more videos though. Dave and Ava’s biological mom must have passed or something as we only see a photo of her once in Baa Baa Black Sheep.
Not sure if this is true but on Google it said the show was created in Ukraine. I’d be curious to know if perhaps Ukrainian’s know the story beyond their biological mother.
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15. BrittanyBallistic, 2022
"God I wish I saw this earlier lol
I'm going to throw in my two cents on one thing. I don't think Dave and Ava are brother and sister. I think Ava is the adopted daughter of the step mom. Because in the Ava yes momma she calls her momma (obviously lol) but is clearly the farmers son. They look exactly alike in the teddy bear song.
The main reason I dont think they are related is because a
few times Ava will wink at Dave and he'll get shy. They seem to have a crush on
eachother imo."
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16. yourmomboy3124, 2022
"Ok so ava and farmer/dad are relaited because they have
light skin and blue eyes
But for mom and dave they are relaited so that meens tjat
mom and dave are their stepmom and step brother"
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16. yourmomboy3124, 2022
"Ive alwayse wonderd what happend to the biologica mother was
she hit to her deth by dad/farmer or did she gwt a divorse with dad/farmer and
we see in ba ba black sheesh on the bag it shows a different women not the
step-mom and when i first saw her i instatly started thinking what in the world
there not relaited and in the older dave and ava videos i thout that dad/farmer
was a single dad but then i realized that he got merrid so now im watching
d&a for more clues"
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17. Apprehensive_Eye_759, 2022
"I have been watching Dave and Ava since many years ago with
my older son. I don't recall there was a mother figure active in the show. And
I thought Mr McDonald was grandpa.
However, in the recent years I watched again with my younger son. Apparently the family structure was slightly different from what it originally appeared. Mr McDonald now appeared to be father, and there's this mom.
Recall the Baba black sheep song came first when the channel started. Probably the creator did not really envision a proper family structure at inception. And as the channel become more and more popular, they started to put in mom and dad.
Also I do feel the graphics have improved in recent years with ray tracing and more particles like snow. I assume there is some retouch of the story line as well.
By any means, kudos to the channel for filling my kids'
childhood with great songs."
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