Latest revision - September 23, 2024
This pancocojams post showcases a video about the Fox News reporter Peter Doocy asked at the September 2, 2024 White House Press briefing. Those questions alluded to that reporter's opinion that Vice President and Democratic Presidential candidate Kamala Harris was being fake because he felts that she was "putting on a Southern accent" at one or both of her Labor Day rallies in Detroit, Michigan and in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
This post includes two transcript excerpts from that podcasts as well as selected comments from that podcast's discussion thread.
Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to Occupy Democrats for this podcast.
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My opinion and the opinions of a number of commenters in this discussion thread that VP Kamala Harris wasn't speaking with any Southern accent.
For those who are unfamiliar with the United States, Kamala Harris is from Oakland, California. None of these cities (Oakland, Detroit, or Pittsburgh) are located in or near the Southern region of the United States. That fact debunks Fox reporter Peter Doocy's implication that VP Kamala Harris was putting on a Southern accent to curry favor with or pretend to talk like the considerable number of Black people who were in attendance at those rallies.
TRANSCRIPT EXCERPT OF PETER DOOCY'S WHITE HOUSE PRESS BRIEFING QUESTIONS AND PRESS SECRETARY KARINE JEAN PIERRE'S RESPONSES TO THOSE QUESTIONS
This excerpt includes my addition of citations for who is speaking as well as added punctuations and capitalizations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OmJoU5Ja1g from 0:00 t0 0.010 and from 2:30-3:49.
[Podcast Host]
"Fox News' Peter Doocy is an absolute embarrassment to the field of journalism and he might have just asked what could be the stupidest question in the history of the White House Press conference.
but now Fox News Peter Doocy has decided to one up CNN
and take the crown for asking the most ludicrous question to date.
Peter was attending a White House Press briefing when he asked the Press Secretary a question that would not only be considered offensive but highly embarrassing
for him.
And wait until you see Karine Jean Pierre's response watch this:
[Peter Doocy]
“A different topic…Since when does the Vice President have what sounds like a
Southern accent?”
“I have no idea what you're talking about.”
[Peter Doocy]
“Well, I mean this is she was talking about unions in
Detroit using one tone of voice.
Is this something that same line”…
[Karine Jean Pierre]
“Okay, Peter that …
[Peter Doocy]
“She uh she used the same line in Pittsburgh and it sounded like she at least had
some kind of a
Southern accent.”
[Karine Jean Pierre]
“Do you hear the question that I mean....Do you think Americans seriously think
that this is an important question they care you know, what they care about?
They care about the economy. They care
about lowering costs. They care about
healthcare. That's what Americans care
about. So that's what they want to hear.
You care about…Your colleague just asked me about democracy. What basically we talked about went back and forth about democracy and freedom. That's what they care about.
I'm not even going to entertain some
question about the Vice President. It's just…It it's just…Hearing it sounds so ridiculous."
[Peter Doocy]
"Well but hearing it…Is the question. I'm talking about the question is…
[Karine Jean Pierre]
is just insane…”
[Peter Doocy]
“is that how she talks in meetings here?.
[Karine Jean Pierre]
“I I'm just…Peter we're we're moving on”..
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TRANSRIPT EXCERPT ABOUT VP KAMALA HARRIS' SPEECHES AND THE PODCAST HOST'S ANALYSIS OF DOOCY'S QUESTIONS
This excerpt includes my addition of citations for who is speaking as well as added punctuations and capitalizations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OmJoU5Ja1g
This transcript excerpt begins at 4:39 and ends at 6:14 of that auto-generated transcript.
4:39-
[Podcast Host]
watch Kamala Harris delivers the exact same line in a speech earlier today in Detroit and again in Pittsburgh a few hours later. Let's see if you can spot the difference…
And what the Right is saying is that Kamala is lying to the American people by
putting on a fake accent so we can't trust her about anything watch these two videos:
[Vice President Kamala Harris]
“You better thank a union member for sick leave.
You better thank a union member for paid leave.
You better thank a union member for vacation time
because what we know”…
[Podcast Host]
“So that was the first video and now here's the second video in which the Right
claims Kamala has a totally different accent:
[Vice President Kamala Harris]
…“thank unions for sick leave.
Thank unions for pay family leave.
Thank unions for your vacation time.”
[Podcast Host]
“So, if you ask me, it just sounds like Kamala's feeling herself a little more
in
that first clip and having a little more fun in her delivery. That's it.
I don't see some huge difference or that she's trying to put on a fake
accent. These guys are nuts.
But when you don't have anything of substance to question about Kamala Harris, then you're going to resort to these kind of questions. So Peter Doocy and the Right are continuing to
uphold their terrible reputation for asking offensive and ridiculous questions. Karine Jean Pierre,
the Press Secretary handled that question beautifully. And I'm glad to see that Kamala Harris is not playing along with these clowns either."
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS PODCAST'S DISCUSSION THREAD
@JJ-kl5yj
"I grew up in the South. There are all kinds of southern accents and drawls and I don't think Doocy would recognize one if it smacked him upside the head. There are also all kinds of inflections that aren't regional and vary according to the ideas being conveyed. Everyone knows the parent's "I mean business" inflection no matter the accent. By the way, Harris is adept at imitating her mother-in-law's Brooklyn accent."
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2. @ckvera8
So now it’s not the words said. It’s their pronunciation. US politics has become a moronic sh-t* show."
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"I only hear a change in tone, not accent I hope he continues to embarrass himself with dumb questions
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4. @Sandi-ke9mi
"He is offensive on so many levels. I’m originally from north of Pittsburgh, and first of all it’s not the south. There’s definitely an accent that goes with growing up in Pittsburgh, but I didn’t hear it any different in her voice, at either place. I was not allowed to have that accent growing up, and it’s probably a good thing because I live in California. When I moved to California, I lived for a year with a relative and his wife. She was from Louisiana originally and after living there a year, I picked up some of her southern accent. It wasn’t a big deal to anyone. Except maybe Peter Doocey. 🇺🇸"
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5. user-gn9vt9hs2q
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6. @trinaisspeakin4539
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7. @jimlong527
"Who cares, I learned long ago how to communicate with the audience to be affective and get to a point. Vote Blue"
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8.@angeloleary1979
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9. @Mizmilla
"Of course he means she’s using that black-cent ️ I’m so glad VP Harris made it okay to disregard these pathetic questions."
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10. "@ThomasNiemann-qe5fo
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11. @michaelmenkes8085
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12. @heycesa
"She was feeling it in Detroit!!! They don't know nothing about that....sad little bunch "
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13. @user-ex7vl2oc7f
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14. @sfviris5582
"You’re right. She was into what she was saying! "
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15. @sean-anthonyroberts9803
"You better thank a union worker"
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16. @blaiseutube
"I can't tell the difference between her two speeches."
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17. name
"That's how Kamala always speaks. I'm from California, so I know.
That's Kamala being full of spirit. So if you have nothing BETTER to criticize
Kamala on,
just shut up and go away.
Maybe come back when you decide to be REAL journalists"
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18. @marthakarol68
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19. @MaryCoffey-pn9zv
"Is he actually saying that all people from the South sound alike?? He needs to spend a month or two traveling around the south. The people of Louisiana, Georgia, North Carolina, Alabama, and all the other states do not sound the same. Each region of our wonderful country is unique with a historic and diverse culture of its own. He is in serious need of a learning road trip."
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20. @wadecollins671
"Human beings talk differently in different settings. As a gay man gays talk to each other in different way when we all hangout but not the same if you’re with family or at work."
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21. @patriciawarren441
"As an Australian I couldn't hear any difference in Kamala's accent other than one seemed more passionate, and that's nothing to do with accent."
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22. @ElChingonFPV
"It's code switching. A superpower among people of color. We have learned to do it and love it."
23. @slylett167
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24. @edwsc3
"Could someone please explain what it is ? I Think I
know...and its FUN and I do it to if its what I think it is"
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25, @soutinefan
"It's not a "superpower" of people of color. It's what most people of EVERY color do --
adjust diction, grammar, vocabulary depending on whom they are talking to. I used to marvel at my mother's subdued,
refined word choice when talking to my teachers. Very different than convo with family. I speak very differently in a job interview
than I do hanging out with close friends."
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26. @elsierodgers4874
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27, @monsterglo
"@soutinefan You are correct! I have done it intentionally
as well as unintentionally, depending
upon the situation, along with street
smarts it has tremendous benefits
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28, @ElChingonFPV
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29, @BrittanyKrasutsky-su2bn
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30. @lorannamoody7011
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31. @karendorsey4780
"It’s called code switching! It’s what people of color are
taught to do! It’s how we can enter many
rooms! It’s our super power! Vote"
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32. @larryrowe5259
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33, @knighthawk3749
"Not just people of color. Any minority often does it. Jews
often speak differently when they are among other Jews. LGBTIA individuals
often have to code switch to protect their lives."
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34. @starshine46
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35. @karate357
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36. @ThomasNiemann-qe5fo
"@karate357 no need to be rude the question was the
German lullaby people codes which we have one style speaking around our family
and close friends but in the corporate setting we use what's considered a more
neutral less expressive tone of voice."
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37. @origamisteve
"@karate357 I don't
particularly agree with that opinion. I think it's important for those either
not in the know or of certain privileges should know. Code-switching further
expands on the lengths minorities have to go to just get by. It's a necessary
"evil" to be taken seriously in many environments when that shouldn't
be the case. It might help them realize that minorities can't feel free to be
ourselves without the high potential of being ostracized."
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38. @danielleivy8180
"As someone who grew up in NYC, surrounded by Black, Caribbean, Italian, Chinese, Jewish and Indian friends - who has spent the past decade in the South - do you know how many times my accent slides?"
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39, @juliasharp2857
"There is no difference in accent, just a little bit in her energy and inflection. This is what they are trying to make a big deal out of??? They are nuts."
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40. @raes8520
"She was using her church voice lol"
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41. @johnhefter3815
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42. @JoyfulMK
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43. @2669raymond
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44. @CynthiaAleaseSmithEdD
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45. @bub7961
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46. @cjohnson2159
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"All they can do is pile on racist innuendos. Poor babies."
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48. @larrysmac
"I only wish Karine would have called out the blatant racist dog whistle for what it is."
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49. @Thmpr
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50. @ichill8476
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51. @ruthiekoontz8234
"They are avoiding her message.."
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"Im a Londoner, if im talking to what we would call posh people i use R.P. recieved pronunciation. My colloquial accent is very London. Almost but not quite cockney. Even if she did alter her accent a little its irrelevant. Its what she saiď that matters. People need to grow up."
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"VP Harris was preaching the accomplishments of unions just like a preacher would in church!! Keep preaching VP Harris (soon to be Pres Harris)"
54. @MW-uf8jo
55.@erykaton170
56. @Royalgazlite
"Look she talking in a preachy tone, Obama does it alot. It's when you want someone to talk back while you're giving a speach. People who go to black churches or southern Baptist churches understand what's she's doing. It's sad we have to teach yall everything. Like Kendrick said "They Not Like Us"
57. @keymaster7323
"She wasn't using a different accent--she was using a different cadence. In the first clip she's using a rising tone at the end of every point she makes, and hitting each point on the beat. It's a powerful rhetorical technique, because when the audience is able to lock onto the speaker's rhythm, they can anticipate the beats in the speech, which makes the audience feel more connected to the speaker, and more open to what the speaker is saying. Since the VP does it so rarely, it's likely it wasn't on purpose but, as our narrator says, she was feeling relaxed and had a sense of rapport with her audience."
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58. @josephdavid3081
"Good for KJP. And good for Vice President Harris asking Dana Bash for the "next question please". We people of color must never let these MAGA men put us on our back feet over our identities. They have zero right to define us. HARRIS WALZ 2024!"
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"KJP" = the initials for the White House Press Secretary Karine Jean Pierre.
59.
"The "weird" thing is you can tell by Doocy's
snarky attitude he had himself "convinced" that crap was a
"gotcha" moment."
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60. @Darth.Shredder
"It's called feeding off the energy of the crowd during a fiery speech. It couldn't be any more real."
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61. @1619SjSjT
"The racist micro aggression is disgusting."
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For what it's worth, comments #53 through comment #57 may be the ones in this compilation that best word my opinion about the differences between Vice President (and soon to be President) Kamala Harris' speech in Detroit compared with her delivery of almost the same words in Pittsburgh (both on Sept. 2, 2024).
ReplyDeleteAfter publishing this pancocojams post on this subject, I came across what I consider to be another very well done podcast on this same topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wludyr3riKY&t=70s
ReplyDeleteWhite House Puts Fox Reporter IN HIS PLACE! Shuts Down Ridiculous Question | Bulwark Takes, Tim Miller, Sep 3, 2024
Here are a few comments from that podcast's discussion thread (All these comments were published on Sept. 3, 2024. Iadded numbers for referencing purposes only)
Delete1. @cscotet4202
"She was kinder than I would have been! It was childish...at best. Who knows what sort of path FOX"NEWS" is gonna try and spin that answer to their viewers. Most likely along the lines they've already helped promote..."Is she black or Indian"? I would have definitely called him childish and I would have questioned his "journalism".
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"She" =White House Press Secretary Karine jean Pierre
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2. @danielgloverpiano7693
"She should have turned it around and said: “are you always racist, or just in press conferences!” The place would have erupted into applause."
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3. @Yasminescookingshow
"I'm a proud Haitian American here. I appreciate Karine for answering this foolish question with class and honesty. Fox "News"!! I code switch my Haitian accent all the time as most of us immigrants do depending on where I am. Also, we must understand that black is universal. Black Americans are just a fraction of the black culture."
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4. @Msfrejo58
"Great explanation! I noticed Obama did the same thing. When he was in a black church he spoke more like the congregation"
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5. @terriv9002
"It isn’t just a black thing. I’m white and the vocabulary and accent I have around family (East Texas) is different than the way I sound at work in Dallas which is still different than how I speak when doing a presentation elsewhere in the country. As you said, it’s a human thing."
[A few more selected comments are quoted in my next comment below.]
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Deletefrom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wludyr3riKY&t=70s
White House Puts Fox Reporter IN HIS PLACE! Shuts Down Ridiculous Question | Bulwark Takes, Tim Miller, Sep 3, 2024
6. @kathysmith7466
"I think she’s being herself and in the courtroom she speaks differently which she should. She’s so real! I’ve taught in so many diverse schools and loved every minute of every child"
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7. @tdanielmidgley
"I'm a linguist, and your comments about code switching are 100% right. Everyone has command over a range of styles — even English monolinguals — and we all sound different depending on whom we're talking to, and even what we're talking about."
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8.@kathielowrey2609
"If you've ever been blessed to worship in a traditional black church, you will recognize what Kamala is doing. It is a truly joyous enterprise! And everyone is welcome, including this now 79-yo white lady."
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@mizzmolly7649
"I'm a blk woman and a journalist. It's not just done in the church, but in every day speech when one wants to emphasize something. I do it myself and I'm from the North. It's cultural. So now they know, Kamala Harris is blk."
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10. @wendyscott8425
"KJP should have looked at him askance, smiled, and said, “Same old tired playbook…”
Cole Emhoff, stepson of Vice President and Democratic Presidential candidate Kamala Harris, said this about "the look" that Harris sometimes gives to people who she's not happy with:
ReplyDelete..."we all know cowards are weak and Kamala Harris can smell weakness she doesn't tolerate any BS. You've all seen that look and you know that look I'm talking about. That look is not just a meme. It reflects her true belief in honest and direct leadership and it's also why she will not be distracted by nonsense."
from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20y3DOtsOIQ "Trump REACTS to Viral Melania Pic", published by RebelHQ, Sept. 5, 2024
(This voice over is found at 3:05-3:37 in that video's auto-generated transcript. That portion of that transcript is given with my added punctuations, corrected capitalizations, and spelling.)
Here are some comments that I just happened upon about the allegation that Vice President & Democratic Presidential candidate Harris talked with a Southern accent during her Labor Day speech in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania:
ReplyDeleteFox News Gets the KARMA IT DESERVES as Trump NOSEDIVES published by Meidas Touch, Sept. 4, 2024
[All these comments are from Sept. 4, 2024. I added numbers for referencing purposes only.]
1.@JB-lp9xr
"I love how they claim she switched to a southern accent for a crowd in… Pittsburgh?"
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In the context of this sentence, the words "I love" means the opposite.
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2. @youngwolf024
" @JB-lp9xr as a pittsburgh native, that sh-t* made NO sense it'd be different if she was randomly pulling out a yinz** or something but naw not even that
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.
**"Yinz" is a word that some Pittsburghers use instead of "y'all". In my experience of living in Pittsburgh for 54 years, when speaking colloquially, most Black Pittsburghers say "y'all" and most White Pittsburghers say "yinz".
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3. @Phoenix-pm2qr
""Which is funny, because Pittsburgh is not at all southern"
Here's a comment from that same discussion threads in which the commenter shares why he thinks the Fox News reporter and others are focusing on the way that Kamala Harris talks:
Delete@quarkybill, September 4, 2024
"They're literally trying to throw some shade on Harris and Walz as somehow not genuine, while running a guy who has changed his name three times for VP along with one who puts on orange spray makeup in the morning for P."