Marvel Entertainment, Nov. 1, 2022
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Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post showcases a YouTube video that presents a clip of the fictitious character
Namor in the 2022 United States movie Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
This post also presents some of the comments from that video's discussion thread and another discussion thread about Namor. I'm particularly interested in quoting some of those comments from Indigenous people and/or Latinos which refer to how the character of Namor speaks to and impacts issues of ethnicity, nationality, race, positive self-esteem and group esteem for those populations.
The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural and entertainment purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to all those who are associated with the movie Black Panther: Wakanda Forever and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2022/11/black-panther-wakanda-forever-without.html for the related pancocojams post entitled "Black Panther: Wakanda Forever" Without T'Challa (selected discussion thread comments) SPOILER ALERT
"Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is a 2022 American superhero film based on the Marvel Comics character Black Panther. Produced by Marvel Studios and distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures, it is the sequel to Black Panther (2018) and the 30th film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). Directed by Ryan Coogler, who co-wrote the screenplay with Joe Robert Cole....
Ideas for a sequel began after the release of Black Panther in February 2018. Coogler negotiated to return as director in the following months, and Marvel Studios officially confirmed the sequel's development in mid-2019. Plans for the film changed in August 2020 when Black Panther star Chadwick Boseman died from colon cancer, with Marvel choosing not to recast his role of T'Challa"...
SELECTED COMMENTS ABOUT NAMOR
DISCUSSION THREAD #1
from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77h301-VIE [This is the discussion thread for the video that is showcased in this pancocojams post.]
All of these comments are from November 2022. Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.
"Huge respect to Marvel/Disney and Ryan Coogler for making these films such a beautiful representation of indigenous people in Africa and Central America. More of this, please!"
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3. Carlos Collects Comics
"Can’t wait to see this film! I’ve been waiting since 2018 to see a Hispanic Superhero introduced and done with dignity and respect. Means the world to be able to take my son, daughters and nephews and niece to see this movie and see our faces finally represented on the screen."
4. Marcus Hamner
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5. Familia Castañeda
"This honestly bring me to tears, im so glad my kids get to see someone who looks like them on the big screen with super powers. Viva mi jente."
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Google translate from Spanish to English: "Long live my people" [A commenter corrected the word "jente" for "gente"}
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6. Rodrigo Fortis
"As a Mexican Native American with Maya and Aztec blood running in my veins, this make me so emotional. Ryan Coogler and team didn't have to do this, they didn't have the make Namor Mezo Native American and create this beautiful world. Whoever cast Tenoch is brilliant he is perfect. I already knew I was gonna be crying because of Chadwick and the huge hole he left but they added my culture on top I'll be sobbing the whole film. Thank you Ryan Coogler and everyone involve in this film. African American and Hispanics We must stand together!! Chadwick would have love this."
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7. Todd79
"They were in central central too not just in Mexico"
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8. Rodrigo Barba
"As a Mexican and a Marvel fan its awesome to see my heritage represented in such a creative way in the MCU. Shout out to Coogler. I never would of imagined to see Namor and his people mixed with Aztec heritage on the big screen. Super interesting take on his character
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Dang, didn't mean to trigger so many people 😕. Social media can really be a toxic environment.
Regardless, looking forward to the movie. Peace."
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9. pedro Elias
"Its mayan my friend¡ not Aztec¡¡¡ ;)"
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10. Naleen Phimmasone
"I hate that people are trying to gatekeep Namor by saying it's not accurate to the comics. Yet when we have like dozens upon dozens of versions of characters like Superman and Batman they don't bat an eye."
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11. Gamer God
"Honestly i agree too, they made namor way cooler with this mix of aztec mythology, and the aztec myths are awesome as hell"
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12. orgzephplayz newtwinnotzeph
"Same it's great to see a movie about each of our pasts Aztec inca Mayan 3 parts of the past of mexico is awesome"
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13. midoriya _izumi
"@pedro Elias Oh it is Aztec, Ryan Coogler said so."
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14. C. Nova88
"Mayan not aztec."
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15. Isiah Niyah
"It's for the 1st Indigenous people!!!💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾....wish we could actually get some full native people playing some of the roles in this movie"
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16. chineishon
chineishon
"@orgzephplayz newtwinnotzeph the incas are from peru not from Mexico"
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17. chineishon
"@midoriya _izumi they call namor kukulkan thats maya not nahuatl"
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18. midoriya _izumi
"@chineishon Just searched for it, yes, my apologies, only now I learned that Kukulcán would then be known as Quetzalcoatl by the Aztecs, but chronologically, yes, Mayan."
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19. alex
"Guys it’s both Mayan and Aztec. It’s touching on mesoamerican culture which includes both in a unique mix"
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20. Derek Villegas
"@midoriya _izumi yeah it does this has a bit of both since the talokan or Tlālōcān as it is actually pronounced is a paradise from Aztec mythology while the Kukulkan is a Mayan serpent god. It’s kinda how the Roman mythology has very similar mythologies to the Greek. To the point they have their own version Heracles named Hercules."
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20. Paulo Corleone SEP
"O NAMOR É FODA!👍🏼
TALOKAN FOREVER!👑"
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21. Gabe Casillas
"Very interesting name, sometimes mistaken for Quetzalcoatl. Essentially, Quetzalcoatl and Kukulcan are different names for the same serpent feathered creator god. Quetzalcoatl is the Aztec name, Kukulcan is the Maya name. He also had other names such as Gucumatz and Ehecatl. Awesome character 💯👍
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22. GINO BLACK OFFICIAL
"I find it so odd and divisive that people are in these comments arguing over Mayan VS Aztec. Why can’t we simply be glad that a person of color gets a starring role in a major motion picture. Just as we black people were happy and proud of BLACK PANTHER 1, I am equally excited to see my brown brothers and sisters being represented as well. This is a HUGE DEAL! Hollywood always says films starring black and/or Latinos “DON’T PERFORM WELL GLOBALLY”, this film will once again prove that Caucasian Myth to be false."
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23. Rodrigo Barba
"@GINO BLACK OFFICIAL Thanks for this. Never thought my comment would be so divisive. Just happy to see a Mexican representing in the MCU lol"
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24. Todd79
"those cultures weren't exclusively from Mexico but also central America too 😏"
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25. Diiego
" @chineishon it’s already been confirmed to be a mixture of both. Talocan is an aspect from Aztec mythos while Kukulkan is from Mayan mythos, there’s no need to argue, both the Aztec and Mayan cultures are getting represented."
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26. Diiego
" @midoriya _izumi no need to apologize to them, you weren’t even wrong about the Aztec influences. They’ve already said they’re doing a mixture of both. Kukulkan is Mayan where as Tlalocan is Aztec. This debate is pointless when coogler himself said it but they’ll keep arguing about it at this point 😂"
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27. morgasm26
"Kulkulkan was white even in the original mythos.. that's how Spain conquered the indigenous Mexicans.. did we forget.?"
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28. GINO BLACK OFFICIAL
"@David-Arthur Muland BLACK PANTHER along with ALL Marvel films have proven to be “for EVERYONE”. Little white children are and have dressed as T’CHALLA for Halloween every year since 2018. EVERYONE loved and loves BLACK PANTHER! Are you not aware of this!!?! or are you simply being divisive?"
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29. GINO BLACK OFFICIAL
" @Rodrigo Barba Your original comment/post WAS NOT DIVISIVE. I was referring to all of the other comments that followed."
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30. Edhy H
"Namor se ve increíble
Desde ahora estoy viendo a muchos niños que finalmente se sentirán representados
Si plantas buenas ideas en un niño, cosecharás grandes hombres !"
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Google translate from Spanish to English
namor looks amazing
From now on I am seeing many children who will finally feel represented
If you plant good ideas in a child, you will reap great men!"
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31. Sol T
"The minute I saw the Maya hieroglyphs on the walls during the 1st teaser trailer I couldn’t believe my eyes and then they name dropped Kukulkan and I burst into tears! 🥹 This such a win for Indigenous representation!! Here’s hoping Tenoch Huerta 🇲🇽 and the beautiful Maya actress, Maria Mercedes Coroy 🇬🇹get so many more roles after this! Viva a los pueblos indígenas! ❤️"
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32. Isiah Niyah
"To the first Indigenous people!!!💪🏾💪🏾"
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33. JulisOfTheMist
"Siempre los indígenas! Un abrazo a todo los Latino Americanos !"
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Google translate from Spanish to English: "Always the natives! A hug to all Latin Americans".
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"Indigenous" is a more acceptable referent than "natives".
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34. Jazlyn Santos
"As a Mayan and the biggest marvel fan I cry every time this trailer comes on the emotion that gets stirred is unreal, I am in love with this take, and to be able to say the first hero/ anti hero/ mutant is now part of me as well 😊 🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽"
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35. Talesin
"Considering DC allready have made an Aquaman movie, i like that they made him Aztec/Mayan instead, to differentiate him from the DC hero.
I would say this is one of the time a drastic character change might actually work really well."
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"DC" here refers to DC Comics. Click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaman_(film) for a Wikipedia page about the 2018 American film entitled Aquaman.
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36. Mauricio Amaral-Vázquez
"This is what healing my inner child looks like 🥹 the amount of times I’ve cried out of joy to see representation in the MCU. Latinos, Mexicanos, and Indígenas — all represented in Namor"
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37. Roberto Montelongo
"I'm so excited to see my culture represented in Namor"
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38. L F
"Thank Ryan Coogler for writing this, that's why representation matters. Many Latino directors NEVER present indigenous peoples in this majestic light because of Colorism in Latin America. It took a black man to open up that door and Ryan casted this man himself seeing him in Narcos. It's nice to see a brown face playing a king not a farm worker or servant like the telenovelas 🙄"
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39. YouTube account
"@L F they still making us brown people the bad guys in this movie. 😂"
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40. Jesus
"@YouTube account wow lets not pretend the Mayans didnt do some shady bad stuff back in the day. Namor will be one of the antagonist of the movie that's it. The comic book character has always been in the gray area."
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41. eliminator173
"@TheDoomer its true. There are no mainstream Latino Marvel heroes so they just threw us a bone and race swapped one."
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42. TheDoomer
"@eliminator173 "Threw you a bone" What kinda self-defeatist, lowkey anti-blackness is this?
You one of them wannabe white Latinos? Ya'll get real bent out of shape when anyone darker than a lunch bag is cast in anything.
You get this bent out of shape when Oscar Isaac was cast as Moonknight? Because last I checked he isn't Jewish. And to your other "point" there's noteable Latin superheroes in Marvel comics. Sam Alexander Nova, Ghost Rider, White Tiger and America Chavez (We just got her in freaking Dr Strange 2) Freakin Salma Hayek was just in Eternals."
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43. YouTube account
" @Jesus we're talking about a movie, but since you wanna go there, your name is Jesus your ancestors were Spaniards, and they did a lot of messed up things in the past too, more messed up things than the Mayans ever did."
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44. Jesus
"@YouTube account yep, the past is a very complicated thing, the reality is that's most Mexicans have ancestry from both sides, mesoamerica's destruction was 500 years ago, very few of them survived, they had to mix in order to survive. I love mesoamerican culture and mythos but that's the reality. Very few can say they have "pure" mesoamerican ancestry, and if that person even exists such person will tell you that on an European language. And the next question would be "so what?""
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45. eliminator173
"@Marksman naw he got race swapped too. In the comics hes a white guy"
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46. Marksman
"@David-Arthur Muland they won't, but people go and say "oh Namor is latino representation" nah, he is NATIVE/INDIGENOUS representation, and latino is not a race, anyone can be latino doesnt matter what race, that was my point"
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47. Marksman
"@eliminator173 But latino is not a race tho. Oscar Isaac (Moonknight) is White, Tenoch Huerta (Namor) is Native/Indigenous/Amerindian they are both from Latin America sure, doesnt mean they are the same race lol, that's like saying that Don Cheadle and Chris Evans are the same race just bc they are from North America/Anglo America xD"
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48. Marksman
"@Jesus Oh yeah, "nopal en la frente" is what people use to say in Mexico when someone clearly looks Indigenous.
The double standards is when people go and call black people from any part of the world as black, white people (anglos-mediterraneans etc) as white, asians as asians, (mixed or not they still have those predominant features of said race) but when it comes to us people like to say or call us "hispanic/latino" even "mestizo" (ugh) when we and the actors who are supposed to be the antlanteans in the movie are clearly Native/Amerindian/Indigenous to the Americas, thats what bothers me. Its like there are always these comments and narratives trying to erase our race or pretend that we no longer exist or that we are something new (lol)"
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49. Diego
"Ahora nos toca en la vida real preservar la cultura y gente indigena de Mexico y todo latino america."
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Google translate from Spanish to English
"Now we have the responsibility in real life to preserve the indigenous people and culture of Mexico and all of Latin america"
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50. Katina Draper
"@Diego don't forget us indigenous people in USA, we have 4 tribes that speak Maya language, creek Seminole Choctaw Chickasaw, they say they derived from Mayans that lived in Georgia USA 4000 years ago"
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51. GEO DA MIGO
"FOR THE CULTURA🇲🇽🇲🇽"
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52. Kevin
"As a Central American, I am beyond excited to see Mesoamerica being introduced both in the MCU and to anyone who’s not quite familiar with that part of the word. Also, seeing another Guatemalan artist being part of the MCU fills me with joy."
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53. Logdawg
"Fr as a Guatemalan it makes me excited to see a mesoamerican superhero"
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"Fr" = for real
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54. Otherworldly Beauty
"As an Indigenous woman, this portrayal of an Indigenous people was profound. So beautiful and powerful. Thank you!❤"
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55. solblackguy
"I have a lot of Hispanic coworkers and I told them about how badass Namor and his culture is portrayed and they all want to see the movie and never watched anything MCU before"
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56. El Rincón del Amarillo
"@solblackguy He's not representing Hispanic culture though. That's Mayan culture."
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57. solblackguy
"@El Rincón del Amarillo shhhhhhh, let people enjoy things."
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58. -ana-
"@El Rincón del Amarillo los mayas son latinos y son una de las culturas latinoamericanas nativas, si nos representan en parte. (Eso si, definitivamente representan a México)"
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Google translate from Spanish to English
"Mayans are Latino and are one of the native Latin American cultures, if they represent us in part. (Yes, they definitely represent Mexico)"
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59. Ray
"Shout out to Marvel and Black Panther for not gentrifying The Great Mayan people with actors from a different hue or region. They kept it authentic with Mexican actors and a Mexican-born lead actor who’s definitely going to have their own movie! So dope! Salute. 🤟🏿🤟🏽"
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60. Neo Saints
"im hispanic 🇵🇷🇬🇹 nd this take on the sub-mariner brought me so close to my 🇬🇹 side and my mayan/mesoamerican roots"
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61. Josué Gonzalez-Pirir
"This movie represented the achievements of our people with lots of love and respect, my mother is of Maya Kaqchikel descent and she was crying of how well presented the Maya were which was also emotional for me to appreciate what our people had to do in order to preserve our lineage."
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"I was very skeptical of how they would do his Latin roots after America Chavez, but after the film. Give this man a solo movie!"
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63. Ivonne A. M.
"Watching my culture represented through Namor was deeply moving. It gave me so much pride and pretty much brought me to tears. Felicidades Tenoch, eres un orgullo. 🤍 Viva México! 🇲🇽"
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Google translate from Spanish to EnglishCongratulations Tenoch, you are a pride. 🤍 Long live Mexico! 🇲🇽"
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alternative translation to standard American English: "Congratulations, Tenoch. You make us proud."
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64. IG Villegas
"nunca he sido fanatica de Marvel, aparte de Hulk y Pantera Negra siempre he sido de DC. Por primera vez pague un boleto de entrada el día de apertura porque es cuando mas cuenta. Tenoch hizo un papel formidable al igual que los otros paisas, me siento mas que orgullosa. Ya era maldita hora de ser representados!! En hora buena!"
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Google translate from Spanish to English
"I have never been a fan of Marvel, aside from the Hulk and Black Panther I have always been a DC fan. For the first time, pay for an entrance ticket on opening day because that is when it counts the most. Tenoch played a formidable role like the other countries, I feel more than proud. It was damn time to be represented!! Congratulations!"
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65. -ana-
" No soy mexicana, soy colombiana y siento q también representó a toda latinoamerica 👌"
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Google translate from Spanish to English
"I am not Mexican, I am Colombian and I feel that he* also represented all of Latin America 👌"
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*Google translate gave the results as “she” instead of “he”. I changed it since I believe that Ana was referring to Namor in her comment.
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66. Ghetto Smasher
" @-ana- Claro. Latinos Unidos."
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Google translate from Spanish to English
"@-ana- Sure. Latinos United"
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67. The Medjay
" @-ana- los Mayas no son latinos, no tienen nada que ver, además no solo representan a México, también a Guatemala y Belice."
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Google translate from Spanish to English
'@-ana- the Mayas are not Latinos, they have nothing to do with it, and they not only represent Mexico, but also Guatemala and Belize."
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68. -ana-
"@The Medjay los mayas son una civilización mesoamericana milenaria (osea una cultura q tiene miles de años); estaban acentuados en lo q hoy es Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras y otros países (México incluido); y han vivido allí desde entonces, tienes razón no son latinos porq no hablan español pero básicamente son una de las culturas nativas de hispanoamerica por lo cual hacen parte de nosotros, nos representan en cierta forma."
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Google translate from Spanish to English
@The Medjay the Mayans are an ancient Mesoamerican civilization (that is, a culture that is thousands of years old); they were accentuated in what is now Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and other countries (Mexico included); and they've lived there ever since, you're right they're not Latinos because they don't speak Spanish but basically they are one of the native cultures of Hispanic America, which is why they are part of us, they represent us in a certain way.
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69. Gordo Travels
"Thank you to the black community for giving indigenous Mexican culture some lime light on a world scale. Before this movie nobody knew about our culture and after this movie a lot of people will want to explore our culture. As a fellow Mexican American from the Bay Area, I’m hella proud of Ryan Coogler being the one to initiate this historic moment. Solidarity between two of the most powerful people Black and Brown!!"
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70. anomaly
"Sorry but the black community didnt do anything smh…thank disney and the creator of this comic character wich both have nothing to do with the community and im pretty sure this is maya culture and design wich has nothing to do with to days mexicen culture.."
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71. Jay Guero
"@anomaly Before Mexico, there were Mayans. Then came the Spaniards and it became the Mexico we know today. A significant number of present day Mexicans (mostly tan colored peoples) can trace their blood to the Mayans. In Mexico, they’re referred to as “color nativos” which is Spanish for “native colored”.
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72. sarai
"I agree!!! A few years back I traced back my ancestry and I found out that my family were Mayan!!!! I went into this movie knowing NOTHING about the villain and then I saw his headdress and I was SCREAMING on the inside."
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73. Yolee B
"I am so happy for you! Its great to get representation. As a Black woman that loves the MCU I felt that way when I saw the original Black Panther movie."
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DISCUSSION THREAD #2
All of these comments are from October 2022 and November 2022. Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.
This post doesn't include any explanations about the characters in or plots of Black Panther or Black Panther:Wakanda Forever or any other movie that is mentioned.
1. Jeffery Steen
"Brilliant!I've been waiting a long time to see Namor hit the big screen!He's always been my favorite marvel character!"
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2. Rodney Marsden
"Sorry to disappoint but you will not be seeing Namor the Submariner. They have highjacked the name and given it to another character."
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3. Jeffery Steen
"@Rodney Marsden well I don't expect him to be exactly like the comic book but he's got those wings on this ankles and breathes underwater..sounds like Prince Namor to me!"
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4. Rodney Marsden
"@Jeffery Steen Not to me. They have put a bone through his nose and they say he is an Aztec whatever the hell that means. Namor was created in 1939 by Bill Everett and he was a prince of Atlantis. We don't want an Aztec or Myan origin for Namor. That goes against Bill Everett's original vision for the character. It also goes against Jack Kirby and Stan Lee's vision and understanding for the character."
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5. Eric Colquitt
"Namor the Sub-mariner is one of my favorite characters in Marvel.I would love to hear Namor yell "IMPERIUS REX" in Black Panther 2 that would be great .😁"
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6. Luc Germain
"It's a Latin term, I doubt he will use it as his background in the movie is aztec"
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7. Rodney Marsden
"@Luc Germain So sad they have kept the name and threw away decades of continuity."
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8. Luc Germain
"@Rodney Marsden true but at this point I've kinda gotten used to the fact that they made him Aztec, I dig the design choices (Not his stache or nose piercing lol) but I'm trying to be as open-minded as possible. I really hope he will at least ACT like Namor and the second trailer gives me hope. But considering how much they butchered T'Challa in the MCU, that's probably not saying much haha. Still looking forward to finally seeing Namor on the big screen. Looooong overdue"
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9. J C
"Name of the city will be 'Tlalocan' based from the Aztec god of the water, rain, and storm 'Tlaloc'. the mayans having a similar pantheon to the aztecs (same as between Greeks and Romans), had a different name for the same god which ito my liking sounds much cooler and powerful; 'Hurakan' where the word hurricane comes from...
The pre-european cultures of our continent have pretty cool and amazing stories to match the stories form the gods of the Olimpus, Asgard, Ming dinasty, etc.
I'm glad to see that the MCU is starting to develop and explore the idea of those myths of the original people and cultures of our Continent"
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10. Superbikeman
"I think its stupid to change an OG character like Namor. They are just checking of a box on their race list. What they should do is create an original Hispanic character. But we all know they don't have the guts to do that. Just race swap originals. LAME"
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11.Jonathan Magallon
"I loved namor before but with the change!!! WE FINALLY HAVE MAJOR LATIN REPRESENTATION!!! It’s everything I could have asked for the inspiration they took for talocan"
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12. Ogc Constrictors
"Mesoamerican culture"
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13. Superbikeman
"Dude you should not have to steal characters for checking off agenda boxes. They need to create a Latino character from scratch. Sloppy seconds = cant create our own characters. Stop following and begging and start creating."
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14. Jay Son
"@Superbikeman No stealing, It’s a Marvel character and they decided to rewrite a character that belongs to them without asking anybody’s permission. They can do that with a fictional character that doesn’t really exist, fr."
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15. Sebastian Hellawell
"As someone who is half Mexican and growing up all around Mexican culture seeing a Latino take a big role in the MCU like that and bringing in some lineage with it is powerful to me and see some representation finally."
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16. Quincy White
"And I agree it is great to see the culture represented but why did they choose to change Namor's culture from Atlantean Greek to Aztec when they could just have taken a few Mexican superheroes that have already been established in the comic universe and make a movie about them the same way they did Shang Shi"
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17. Enrique G
"No doubt bro, im also proud. I was stunned when i 1st learned of it but i think it works really good they also couldve went the Polynesian route and it also wouldve stuck great BUT i suppose Aquaman already took that. I just hope he doesnt come off as weak or ends up loosing 1 on 1 vs a chic. No offense"
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18. boricua príncipe 🇵🇷
"bro you seriously need to watch more MCU and even DC read the comic's and mangas as s well I can name latina and Latino superheros"
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19. boricua príncipe 🇵🇷
"America Chavez: Miss. America
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20. Judge Cohen
"Roberto DaCosta: Sunspot (a bunch of X teams)."
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21. Hugo Stiglitz
"@boricua príncipe 🇵🇷 there should be more IMO tho. I hate race swapping of characters but it is weird that there's so many black and white characters but so few Asian and Latino characters in the MCU. It's just not accurate at all to the racial makeup of our country"
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22. BusinessOfFear
"Also as someone who is half Mexican and grew up relating to Latino characters in films, I personally don't like that they changed an established character the way they did.
They could have created a new character for the movie, then put him the comics. This is NOT Namor, and it sucks that fans of him don't have their guy in this universe."
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23. Santy Valens
"@BusinessOfFear speak for yourself bro, I've been a fan of Namor for years and i think this change is a very refreshing one. So many of his iconic comicbook moments are still possible too"
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24. BusinessOfFear
"@Santy Valens You're speaking for yourself obviously, but I've seen fans upset with the change, and I would be too if it was a character I was invested with. In fact I have been upset with how Hulk has been handled.
This Namor is as much like his comic book counterpart as Godzilla (1998) is to the original.
Again, I am personally not a fan of stuff like that, especially if the reason was because "Aquaman already has Atlantis in the DCEU"."
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25. Rich Alvarez
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26. Steve Fox
"@BusinessOfFear what is the race of namor in the fictional marvel comics to be exact? Was he supposed to be Greek? If so, I would love to hear their perspective. As far as I know, I don't hear them whining about it"
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27. BusinessOfFear
"@Steve Fox I honestly don't care about how anyone who is Greek feels. As I stated, I'm not a fan of when studios do something like this.
It's different when a supporting character like Gordon has been in so many movies that the change doesn't really effect him like when his race was changed in The Batman.
But this was Namor's big debut on the big screen, they made him so different. I'm not super invested in the character, but if I was, I'd be beyond annoyed. And AGAIN if the reason for the change was because Atlantis was used in the DCEU first, them that's just stupid."
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28. Steve Fox
"@BusinessOfFear may I remind you that namor was a mutant who was born in a atlantean civilization, it was never specificied what race continent he was born into , lol. In terms of marvel comics , the world that he lived in was an Arctic region. Guess where that is ? Argentina,Chile Russia Iceland , canada and others"
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29. Kevin LeMelle
"I'm very glad the MCU is showing diversity in the movie. There's more to come. By faith, the Sea Mariner will have movies or a cameo appearance."
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30. kevin Jonhason
"they had to change the character as to not copy jason momoas atlantis based film, and they went ahead and made an amazing connection with mexican cultures that are really old, its amazing cause most people dont really know that us native americans and incans and mayans and aztecs are all related, they are one big nation actually genetically, i hope they adreess this in the upcoming namor movie. its awesome."
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The Jason Momoas film that is referenced in this comment was the 2018 movie Aquaman.
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31. SSPACEGHOST HUITZLAMPA
"This is confusing how they’re combining namor and the legends of Quetzalcoatl/Kukulkan as the feathered serpent was the lord of the western sky, bringer of Maiz, he had almost nothing to do with the ocean, that would be Tlaloc. I understand it’s a movie but it would be cool for Hollywood to get our cultura right for once"
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32. Osiris
"Dude, you're talking about Hollywood here. Have they ever got anything right? Especially on an already established story or character? The only way that would happen is either the author or writer of the original work is given creative freedoms by the studio, or the studio buys the original work with certain conditions to meet the expectations of the original creator. Its practically a money grab at this point with them taking creative liberties in changing Namor's origins to fit the current political climate. But in all honesty, I would love to see a fictional depiction of the Aztec Gods on film like they do with Greek and Roman Gods; I think that would be pretty cool, because that would be an original work with great source material straight out of Mayan culture."
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33. SSPACEGHOST HUITZLAMPA
"@Osiris yeah I get that Hollywood don’t care, a dope movie would be based off the book AZTEC it’s a story of a old man named Mixtli who tells his life story from a boy who’s from a modest family to where he becomes a eagle warrior and pochtecatl for the tlatoani ahuizotl it’s a great book sad but great that would easily be a three part movie trilogy"
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