"Black Panther: Wakanda Forever" Without T'Challa (selected discussion thread comments) SPOILER ALERT

Kalibur, Nov. 16, 2022
The ISSUE With BLACK PANTHER: Wakanda Forever... Marvel's New Sequel to the Smash Hit Black Panther Is Here... Lets Talk!

....Movie Cast Starring: Lupita Nyong’o as Nakia, Danai Gurira as Okoye, Angela Bassett as Ramonda, Martin Freeman as Everett K. Ross, Letitia Wright as Shuri, Winston Duke as M’Baku, and Florence Kasumba as Ayo, Tenoch Huerta as Namor.... ****
Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post showcases an African America vlog (video log) that includes scenes from the 2022 American movie Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. Selected comments from that vlog's discussion thread are included in this post. These comments contain plot spoilers for those who haven't seen this movie.
The content of this post is presented for socio-cultural and entertainment purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners. Thanks to all those who are associated with this movie and thanks to Kalibur, the vlogger whose video is showcased in this post. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post. Rest In Power, Chadwick Boseman.
-snip- Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2022/11/what-some-latinos-indigenous-central.html for the closely related pancocojams post entitled What Some Latinos, Indigenous Central Americans, & Others Think About Namor ("Black Panther: Wakanda Forever" Character).
Also, click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther:_Wakanda_Forever for information about this movie which was first released on October 26, 2022 (Hollywood) and Nov. 11, 2022 (United States). Here's a brief excerpt of that page:
"Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is a 2022 American superhero film based on the Marvel Comics character Black Panther. Produced by Marvel Studios and distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures, it is the sequel to Black Panther (2018) and the 30th film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). Directed by Ryan Coogler, who co-wrote the screenplay with Joe Robert Cole....

Ideas for a sequel began after the release of Black Panther in February 2018. Coogler negotiated to return as director in the following months, and Marvel Studios officially confirmed the sequel's development in mid-2019. Plans for the film changed in August 2020 when Black Panther star Chadwick Boseman died from colon cancer, with Marvel choosing not to recast his role of T'Challa"...

**** PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
There are LOTS of reaction videos about Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.

I'm showcasing Kalibur's reaction vlog "The Issues With Black Panther: Wakanda Forever" because I agree with what the vlogger said, particularly his statements about the need for strong Black male role models and his concerns about the relative lack of strong Black men in that movie. In addition, I'm showcasing that vlog because I like the way Kalibur made his points, and I like the fact that his vlog includes scenes from Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. unlike some other reaction vlogs about that movie.

That said, I encourage pancocojams visitors to watch other YouTube vlogs and read their  discussion threads about this movie. 

This post doesn't include any explanations about the characters in or the plots of Black Panther , Black Panther:Wakanda Forever, or any other movie that is mentioned. 

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VLOG'S DISCUSSION THREAD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc7Fjsek6Ag
Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.

1.Buticia Smith, Nov. 16, 2022
"This reached into my soul.🙏"

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2. THE TRASH AROUND MY PLASTIC,  Nov. 16, 2022
"Brother! I have to ask DID YOU SEE THE END CREDITS cause If you didn't then you're comments make sense but if you Did this is the most disappointing review I've heard cause it just doesn't make sense. T'chala WILL BE RECAST T'chala's son  is T'chala that's his NAME!!!!! That was the how they written him back into the MCU!"

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3. Kalibur, Nov. 16, 2022
"Another Black Boy WITHOUT A Father... 🤦  He's Basically "Killmonger" Part 2 🤷"

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4. Cre Dix, Nov. 16, 2022
"Preach ❤"

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5. TBOOGIE430, Nov. 16, 2022
"T'Challah has a son.  They can cast him as the new Black Panther."

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6. Kalibur, Nov. 16, 2022
"By the Time the Boy is 21 years old... The Whole Cast Gonna be RETIRED. ❌"

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7. Jisco8, Nov. 17, 2022
"With kang as the big threat they going to be time travels watch because that what happen in the comics"

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8. Sandra Williams, Nov. 16, 2022
"I think they recast him because in the end of the movie he has a son."

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9. Kalibur, Nov. 17, 2022
"By the time the Boy Grows Up... All the characters will be TOO OLD... 🤷"

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10. Sandra Williams, Nov. 17, 2022
" @Kalibur  true!  This is the comics.  I'm sure Shuri would be able to teach/mentor him along with Nakita."

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11. Slifer29, Nov. 18, 2022
"@Kalibur  But check this out in 2025 and 2026. We are getting two Avengers movies Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars respectively there is going to be a lot of crazy things with the multiverse and after the events of it the Marvel Universe will undergo some changes some subtle and some not so much and the universe will be altered in such a way that the Young T’Challa May age to be either a teenager or young adult so that could be very much plausible especially since the X-Men will be largely introduced in the MCU post Secret Wars"

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12. Six8, Nov. 16, 2022
"Y’all act like this whole experience is real. It’s a movie people,mercy! It’s sad and I must admit it hurt to lose Brother Boseman and a hell of an actor/human being he was. RIP.🙏🏾"

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13. sekou kelleh, Nov. 17, 2022
"You must be sad and miserable not to understand"

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14. Sasha Kay, Nov. 17, 2022
"@sekou kelleh  my thoughts exactly"

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15. Marc Pick, Nov. 21, 2022
"Wakanda is an inspiration to what we COULD have been without colonial interruption... and what we COULD be if we put in the work as a people."

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16. Ant X, Nov. 16, 2022
"I disagree Shuri did an amazing job and I don’t think King T’Challa needs to be recasted. Also I disagree that the Queen was “disrespected” she just had a very serious role"

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17. Mega Mind, Nov. 17, 2022
"Yep no strong black male leads should be allowed huh"

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18. Ant X, Nov. 17, 2022
" @Mega Mind  Did I say that? I actually see the agenda this movie and Women King have by not showing many strong Black men. I’m just saying I was into Shuri the entire movie she did amazing"

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19. bryan ward, Nov. 16, 2022 
"The movie seemed very anti father and anti man. Is it just me?"

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20. R Two, Nov. 17, 2022
"In what way?"

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21. Ant X, Nov. 17, 2022
"I loved the movie but it definitely had an agenda"

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22. Lenira Susana, Nov. 17, 2022
"Namor is a man"

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23. bryan ward, Nov. 18, 2022
"@Lenira Susana  and what happened to him? What did he say about his father? What man was presented in a positive way? What male character wasn't portrayed as a joke, or a asshole, or evil, or put in his place? Name one male character in that movie that little black boys can look up to? Count how many times a character mentions their father not being around..... And then look at what happened at the end..... Another black boy without a father raised by a single mother."

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24. rabelani ramabulana, Nov. 16, 2022
"U know this is fiction rite?

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25. Kalibur, Nov. 16, 2022
"With Real BLACK ISSUES weaved in the story... Right? ❓"

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26. R Two, Nov. 17, 2022
"Come on bruh you took this too seriously.

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27. Sean Joseph, Nov. 17. 2022
"I love the movie!!!! Wonderful tribute to Chadwick Boseman!!!! Case closed!!!!"

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28. Theo Williams, Nov. 17, 2022
"Kalibur clearly didn't watch the end credits scene lol there will be another T'chala"

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29. Derek Gaines, Nov. 17, 2022
"Brother Kalibur. My issue is they used a real life death (Chadwick's) for a fictional movie plot. T'challa disappearance could be explained in the Thanos snap. If they recast T'challa we could've had T'challa vs. Namor. As in the comics. Don't get me wrong I love to see our sisters come up but at of the expense of a strong black male lead. I don't want to sound misogynistics but in Marvel why can't we have that strong male black lead why can't we have our heroes? Then to kill the Queen just lazy writing to me. My 12 year old daughter saw the movie with her sister. She said it was ok. No excitement just ok! That speaks volumes. Having Black Panther without T'challa is like having The Fantastic Four without Mr. Fantastic! Recast T'challa!"

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30. Mark Murray, Nov. 17, 2022
"They honored Chadwick's death the best they could, and they asked his wife for approve of this. We don't need another male actor to become T'Challa at this moment. We can have Shuri as the Black Panther where it is in the comics and plus Namor is one of her first villains/anti-hero's that she has fought. She can be in a few or one more movie as the Black Panther before she passes the torch to Young T'Challa. There can be a time skip like the other movies when they get to that point, but there is nothing wrong with a black woman in the role of Black Panther at this moment in time. We really don't have strong leading women actors in Marvel movies other than Black Widow and Captain Marvel, but I feel like those movies fell short to me. The actress Letitia Wright did an amazing job as Shuri/Black Panther and her future is bright"

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31.Tre Papi, Nov. 21, 2022
"@Mark Murray  I get what you're saying, but the real-life death of Chadwick had way too much influence on this Marvel story. Yes, Shuri became in the comics, but only because T'Challa was in a coma. Had Chadwick not died, this wouldn't even be a storyline. There are so many other ways they could have done this in order to recast the part. And let's be real, ppl we're hyped for the movie because of the situation, not because of Shuri. This series will flop like most other heroine lead movies of they don't recast somehow."

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32. Angela Howard, Nov. 17, 2022
"You provided excellent insight on this movie. I love the movie but I agree that they could have cast another actor as T'challa. The young man from Tyler Perry's Ruthless, for example, Lenny Thomas. Like you said to many women have been forced to lead because they lost their Kings and we are so much stronger together ❤️"

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33. Stephanie Holder, Nov. 17, 2022
"I love this.. So much truth...Preach!!!!!!"

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34. Craig Savage,Nov.17, 2022
"Thank you Kalibur for another excellent critique of the movie and the revealing of underlying parallels that have been written for us as a people. In general, we always deliver great performances but fail at controlling our own narrative. May the Kings and Queens Rise together as ONE from this day forward. UNITY in Diplomacy. The People of All Lands walking together outside of those in "followership" positions. Last words. Any direct action to take away hope, is a direct spiritual attack against the culture of a people. Recast the Black Panther, "For We Are Many". Showing the Alignment of King and Queen is our correct narrative. This has been the center of the attack.  Yet We Remain in Truth. Thanks Kalibur for laying out with the Passion and Leadership for change. So Proud of You and the platform of communication you created. Your comments keep us woke. You Deliver Hope!"

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35. Joshua Carter, Nov. 17, 2022
"Peace King, this was by far the best review Ive seen so far. You brought up issues that I didnt even realize were there. This movie did reflect the  state of the black community over the years. And now that I think of it Angela Bassets character did get disrespected at every turn. This hit too close to home."

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36. Majin Greene, Nov. 17, 2022
"Great view and commentary on the movie. Haven’t seen it yet but I would love killmonger to be the next black Panther. I think it’s something we need. Will show that you can grow, change and be better. Micheal B is also an awesome person."

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37. Patrick Williams, Nov. 17, 2022
"That's because neither Nemar and technically killmonger were "villans" they were anti-heros, they both had legitimate reasonings surrounding their actions, not like thanos who was just a mad titan that just wanted to burn the world. And you also keep saying "we need to recast t'challa"......I'm guessing you didnt watch past the ending credits? That was explained with Nakia's son that that was going to happen "

** 38. Tanya Washington, Nov. 17, 2022
"Your commentary are my EXACT sentiments! ❤️🙅🏾‍♀️W⁴F!🙅🏾‍♀️❤️"

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39. amsoftdev, Nov. 17, 2022
"Ryan Cooglar made it clear. The son of T'Challa is the recast. I don't why we are still debating. Ryan Cooglar always said he wanted to explore a young Black Panther. I have no doubt BP3 will have a teenage or young adult BP"

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40. Jisco8, Nov. 17, 2022
"With kang as the big threat they going to be time travels watch because that what happen in the comics"

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41. Queen Imari girl, Nov. 17, 2022
"I agree with you on 98% . I don't agree with recasting. The reason I don't is because If they recast then it takes away the story line and opportunities for young T Challa being a part of projects like the young avengers, and the wakanda forever mini series that is being talked about on Disney. Now his son can take up the mantel just as he did when his father died. This leaves so many opportunities for the legacy of the black panther to live on from generation to generation."

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42. crittoneida, Nov. 22, 2022
"The son is like 6 yrs old.  For him to take the mantel either we are waiting 10-15 yrs or the whole MCU moves ahead 10-15 yrs.  I would prefer recasting him so have the real BP now instead of later..."

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43. Bad Seed ent,  Nov. 22, 2022
" @crittoneida  mcu only fans only watch the movies don't realize that there all connected so they can't just simply age him up without pushing up years in all the movies... The when Jr can take the mantle is the m-she-u way of recasting instead of just doing it out right..."

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44. WLCCMINISTRY1, Nov. 17, 2022
"This marg said Nipsey Hustle smh

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45. R Two, Nov. 17, 2022
"He was talking about this movie like they’re real people."

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46. Candace Harrison, Nov. 17, 2022
"Shuri is not the last of the blood line sir. Go rewatch the movie. He definitely has a son. And, was introduced to shuri at the end. I bet he(the son)  will be the one to arise to the occasion!! There will be a black panther 3. YOU WATCH AND SEE!!!💪"

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47, Roderique Leslie, Nov. 17, 2022
"nope we dont have to recast his son going take the mantel. come on mehn you didnt watch the end."

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48. Keith Flemming, Nov. 17, 2022
"GM My Brother. The Message Also Needs To Be Addressed Is The Fact That Black Men Need To Be Checked For PROSTATE And Colon Cancer Including Breast Cancer. The Marvel Universe Is For The Here And Now Comic Book Fan. The DIE HARD Marvel Fans Read These Comics Thru And Thru. If Bozeman Would've Lived. They Were Supposed To Do Where Storm Married Black Panther And Take Over Wakanda. We as a Nation Must Work Together And Bring Positive Ideas To The Table, and bring Honest thoughts and actions to the table."

** 49. DJ Skandalous, Nov. 18, 2022
"Man your message is so deep. Loved every minute of it. I won't lie, when they announced Black Panther 1, I didn't know how to take it. Black Panther was never a B or A List super hero. So I was confused as to why this character was getting a movie over tons of more established characters. But you can make the same case for Iron Man and Thor before 2008. I can understand why people felt it was woke messaging in that regard. But honestly after seeing how much it brought people together for the movie, and seeing so many families and children with a someone to look up to...it brought it all into perspective.

The character grew on me that I knew little about before the first movie. Seeing children dressed up as Black Panther for Halloween also showed how deep the connection was. I'm glad you guys got a real character that has decades of history behind it finally on the big screen. But I also do agree with you, they should recast for those same very reasons."

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50. Eric Murphy, Nov. 18, 2022
"I have to disagree. In the comics, T'Challa wasn't always the Black Panther. In one comics he was in a comma when Shuri took the mantle which is similar to what we saw. Also if you pay attention to the end Shuri may not stay Black Panther.  As far as Batman different characters became Batman in the comics. Let's not fixate on the now and see where things are going"

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51. Bad Seed ent, Nov. 22, 2022
"Black panther and Batman had the mantle took for awhile but didn't completely die off... 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️"

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52. Andrew Wilkins, Nov. 19, 2022
"Sup Kalibur. Haven't watched your whole vid yet. My issue with BP 1 and 2 is yet again, entertainment makes men look incompetent and stupid. T'Chaka deleting his own brother in Watts for his son to see made no sense. T'Challa and Wakanda was lead by his mom Aunt, etc. They treated him like a kid really. Even his own sister was clowning him in the movie as if she's on his level or above. Black Panther character is part of Illuminati according to the comics. That's why he met up with leaders of othet nations in BP1. They're taking this "female empowerment" too far and it's unrealistic. Killmonger should still be alive and the true leader of Wakanda. And notice the white, male superheros in the MCU don't get undermined by women around them."

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53. aybryce22, Nov. 20, 2022
"I thought the movie was good. I though the  tribute was very touching 🕊"

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54. Licole D., Nov. 20, 2022
"Following DC comics is trash. We shouldn’t recast Chadwick. His successor is already lined up. I think their point for not recasting was to show the point that Chadwick WAS Black Panther and if he weren’t it wouldn’t be the same iconic film. To not replace him is not only symbolic but reverential. We gotta stop discounting value. The role itself is very important and the person should not just occupy the title of Black Panther but embody the values as a person that we need to push thr culture forward as a role model. Chadwick was that. What I’m saying is, we don’t want just a talking head as T’Challa. We need a powerful person who honors our culture. Otherwise, what’s the point? Just to have a man as Black Panther? Ryan and team  understood the assignment."

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55. Micah Beatz, Nov. 21, 2022
"I swear when I first seen chadwick on civil war I instantly fell in love w blavk panther"

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56. Marc Pick, Nov. 21, 2022
"Steering this towards actual leaders and professionals of their craft.... Chadwick, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, and so many others are taken from us too soon.

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57. Jacqueline Chambers, Nov. 22, 2022
"I enjoyed the movie and I said the same thing the movie was to celebrate Chadwick Bosman.. I believe that there will be another black panther that's why the end of the movie showed us his son."

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58. Andrew Fubler, Nov. 22, 2022
"Kalibur best speech 🎉, we need to have strong black men in this world."

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59. Vinny Chase, Nov. 22, 2022
"It’s Disney watering these movies down. But I feel you on the recasting. I think they trying to recast with the son."

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60. Pennie Clinton, Nov. 22, 2022
"I believe that should bring in another black King to give the young men someone to look up to like Boseman looked up to Denzel Washington"

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61. Purple💜MJ, Nov. 23, 2022
"This was by far the BEST commentary on Black Panther that I've ever heard. 👏🏽 💯 I too felt the deeper meaning while watching. Being a woman who lost her King to cancer and had to carry on and take care of our children alone...your words touched me deeply. Thank you for this heartfelt and spiritual deep dive. YES. T'Challa MUST live on. Chadwick's birthday is on November 29th so I'll think of him and his family. #gonetoosoon #wakandaforever #kingsANDqueenstogether #unitedwestand"

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62. Kalibur, Nov. 23, 2022
"Thank You Queen! 🙌🏽💙"

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