Fally Ipupa, Apr 5, 2013 album : "Power "Kosa Leka", vol.1" ****
Edited by Azizi Powell
This is Part II of a two part pancocojams series that showcases Fally Ipupa's 2013 song "Hustler Is Back". This post showcases a YouTube video that song and presents selected comments from a sub-thread from that video's YouTube discussion thread. Commenters in that sub-thread debate whether Congolese music or Nigerian music is the best.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2022/09/congolese-singer-fally-ipupa-hustler-is.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. That post presents information about Fally Ipupa and selected comments from that video's discussion thread.
The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Fally Ipupa for his musical legacy and thanks to all those who were associated with this video. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD
As of September 29, 2022 at 11:23 AM ET, there are a total of 65 comments in this sub-thread.
Also, note that when people change their screen name on YouTube , the comments that address them retain their previous screen name.
It appears that some commenters in this discussion changed their screen names after that discussion began. For example, I think that BEACON73 =Kevin Nseka, but I'm not sure which commenter had previously used the screen name King Yaka.
WARNING: A few comments have curse words that are written in this post with modified spelling.]
1. Ben, 2005
"One thing one can't deny Congolese music is originality. They are the best in Africa. I am a Nigerian though."
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"Explain how they are the best! Are You this myopic"
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3. Kossam Musundire, 2006
"Benny73ism They make real art l love naija music but l feel
like Naija makes good commercial music but when it comes to good quality tracks
which can stand the test of time l say Kudos to the congolese"
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4. Chris Oghenetega Maloney, 2006
"+kossam Musundire you know nothing about music my friend, Congolese music is hardly heard outside of francophone... Deal with that n that's how it is.. The hustler is back another francophone on the English sh-t*... Damn"
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.
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5.
"Keep playing the Congolese music this how u can support your own music u disgrace to the greatest country of African get your ass to Congo n tell me what pain sh-t* u get.."
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment
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6. Kossam Musundire, 2006
"+chris maloney Whats up with the insults and swearing your photo looks respectable man"
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7. Kossam Musundire, 2006
"Its only recently that Congolese music has been overtaken by
other Genres.Truth be told the most popular music at the moment Naija Afrobeat
is derived from coupe decale from cote de voire
which itself is derived from congolese music. am not from congo or Naija
too."
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8. Kevin Nseka, 2006
"+chris maloney please
know your facts before u talk. Congolese music started to go international
since the 90s look it up. Koffi olomide played already in big arenas in Belgien
france which some of naija artist just played this year like wizkid or davido.
Nobody heard naija or Ghana music back then those are just facts."
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9. John Kennedy Ekene, 2007
"BEACON73 my brother, I keep shouting that daily, Congo owns music in Africa. They are unique, not some western copy copy sh-t*"
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.
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10. Euclide Amani, 2007
"+kossam musindire: you don't know none about music. Congolese
music has been popular since 1958. Africa, Europe and all over. This is
Congolese Rumba. south and latin America's Zumba is dirrieved from Rumba. learn
the African history music before you start thinking that this american/european's
new african influenced music is real music."
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11. Day, 2007
"chris maloney am congolese and i live in USA, i'll tell u that i've met millions of people
who not even french speakers, but love
congolese music. So stop saying bullsh--t”*
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.
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12. Stella Divine, 2007
"Yes they are great in dancing and music. Love their men's dance the most"
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13. Emeka Michael, 2007
"King Yaka.. You couldn't have said it any better. A handful
of us Nigerians don't really know our history especially with Music/Culture
etc. I'm 38years old and grew up playing my dad's Vinyl(A lot of which I still
own and play till today) more than 80% of his collection was Zaire/Congolese
music. collection that he had before I
was even born."
Yes we all love our new Nigerian music taking over Africa but there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING original about it. That's why we cant listen to them more than 3/6 months rotation tops and we are unto the next song.
The current crop of music is ALL Ghanaian beats/sound but some Nigerians will still argue blindly. (From Runtown, Davido,Tekno etc)
I'm coming back here 4 years later and everything sounds to fresh. Clean signature Congolese guitar sound, the sound of the congas, the snare drum kills me every time, syncopation of the bass drum and bass guitar, Horns, various dimensions in different verses. (No copy and paste)..
Thanks for educating my Nigerian brother Jare!!! One love and peace to Africa."
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14.
"Emeka you're damn right. from grandpa, to father, to son,
grandkids etc... amen 😂😂😂😂
Nigerian tracks are good but sounds fake sometimes. In Congo, once a song hits
hard, it never dies...in fact if u understand what they say, most are recycled
from previous artists (alive or deceased (RIP). Same goes to the instruments
played in the background which kills me. They are still kicking at the end of
the day.
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15.
"+j.curry from the little that i know about Congo square in
New Orleans I agree with a lot you just said. Congo square was the only area in
New Orleans where slave could play their traditional songs and dancers which
was banned in america at the time so it became quite famous, New Orleans is the
birth place of Jazz which is the foundation of all African american music
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"TRUE TALK .IT IS NOT A DEBAT"
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17. Toronto Raptors, 2008
"BEACON73 Congolese rumba music like this song was very very
popular in Africa, now the Nigerian music is more popular because it is more
western and it is marketed to the youth with all of the club bangers"
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18. Asia Natalia Mhina, 2008
"King Yaka You are very right. Am Tanzanian, most of
Congolese musicians visited my country.Tabu Lay, Mbilia Bel, Tshala Muana,
Yondo sister, Bozi Boziana, Madilu, Fally Ipupa, Awilo, Koffi, Wenge musica and
BCBG just to mention a few. They are the best tbh👌👌👌👌"
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19. Toronto Raptors, 2008
"jeanclaudeM100 chill , they are all good, all of Africa are
collaborating now"
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20. BLUE SEE, 2008
"BEACON73, You are not from Nigeria... let me remind you Nigerian music
are well known all over the world... you
can play Nigerian music anywhere..dance the dance anywhere...but you can't dance Congolese dance or listen to music anywhere people will think you are
crazy... have you ever heard Congolese music in clubs or shopping moron. ln US
, UK and Europe they play Nigerians music in clubs, McDonald's and shopping moron... so my dear
stop fooling yourself on social media people you are telling know the truth"
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21. Candace Williams, 2008
"BEACON73 yeah, I am American and I agree."
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22. AfroAngola, 2008
"King Yaka keep preaching to the choir"
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23. Jesse plays, 2008
"Gina Amadin I beg to differ. I love Nigerian music, and I
would listen to it in the club, but nothing compares to Congolese music. The
reason they don't play it in clubs is cause it has soul, not to be played in
such places as clubs. I play Naija tunes everyday, but I never go to sleep
without the good old Congo music. NB I am Zimbabwean #ONELOVE"
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24. Kongo Queen, 2008
"BEACON73 every time I
tell people we are the best in Africa
they argue with me"
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25. F Mule, 2019
"Not necessarily the best but they are very creative. I am
Zambian and I know how there music is appreciated world wide. My opinion."
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26. Charles Mubanga, 2019
"@Chris Oghenetega
Maloney This is the best music my friend
well arranged unlike some sounds from west africa."
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27. Roger Bakala, 2019
"Chris Oghenetega Maloney Exactly French speakers, Barely any
English speaking people listen to Naija
music except Naija people living in places like UK and US, few songs hit and
that’s it Congo music hits every place in francophone even Drogba, Eto’o, Adebayor,
Bakayoko all love Congo music, name one footballer that isn’t Naija that loves
Naija music? No originality just Afro beat after Afro beat."
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28. African Dances, 2019
"@King Yaka Nothing but props to you for spelling out our
history and our influence. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!"
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29. African Dances, 2019
"@Emeka Michael Great share!! African music is a African
movement and it's great that we protect ourselves from people looking to divide
and conquer us."
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30. HaalaBeeba, 2019
"Yup agreed that they r the best in Africa in terms of all
roundedness- music , dance, instrumentation. Their music gives u life"
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31. Brother Peter, 2020
"Congolese music is the best in the world..am from Kenya,I
don't know even Nigerian music you are talking about"
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32. Jessica Mamona, 2020
"Chris Oghenetega Maloney please f--k* off stop hating you do
know congolese music went international since the 90s because we have koffi
olomide, fally ipupa anx the fallen king papa wemba🤦🏾♀️"
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.
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33.
" @Chris Oghenetega
Maloney what are you talking about, go
and ask English speaking country about ok jazz of Franco from 60 to early 90s"
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34. Iskay Kabeya, 2021
"@Chris Oghenetega
Maloney truth must be told, it's not
about ur country, millions of parents in African countries grew up listening to
music from Zaire on radio for decades. What are you talking about"
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35. Iskay Kabeya, 2021
"@Chris Oghenetega Maloney go and watch a Nigerian movie called my love of early 2000, they were playing Congolese ( music ) donbolo in the Nigerian parties. In the 60s and 90s Congolese jazz band of OK JAZZ and many more feeled stadium all over Europe and Cuba and south America. Where were you?? You don't know Franco Luambo, Lutumba simaro, djo mpoyi from Zaire ?? Ask your father then"
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36. CrunkKing232, 2021
"@John Kennedy Ekene modern Congolese artists sound western"
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37. tony carter, 2021
"@BLUE SEE oh my God which world are you living you,🤔😂😂😂🤦 actually to the contrary i have seen people cross cultural and worldwide dancing to congolese music. Infact when you talk to a few why they like it they say "it's classic generational music with original sounds". The truth is congolese music is music for people with class and a taste of quality while nigerian music is nothing but commercial music mean to be played for 3-4 months maximum. It's like comparing R.Kelly/Micheal Jackson(congolese music) to Chris Brown(nigerian)"
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38. Endubis Oduduwa, 2022
"@tony carter It is extremely funny how our nigerian brothers even consider themselves as musicians. The majority of their stars cannot even sing and play musical instruments properly. It is pretty obvious they are spending money to influence people to validate their poor music by buying BET and Grammy awards. Lol.
In short, South Africans and Tanzanians are musically better than Nigerians.
That's being said, no country on earth can compete against DR.Congo musically except maybe USA.
James Brown, Stevie Wonders, Tabu Ley, Papa Wemba, Michael Jackson, R Kelly, Koffi Olomide, Franco Luambo, Lokwa Kanza,..."
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