Edited by Azizi Powell
This is Part II of a three part series on the slang term "ratchet".
Part II provides an overview about the slang word "ratchet" and showcases two YouTube videos of the Ratchet dance. Selected comments from these videos' discussion threads are also included in this post.
Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/10/what-ratchet-means-how-its-slang.html for Part I of this series. Part I provides definitions of and comments about the slang word "ratchet". This post also includes a partial chronology of the slang use of the word "ratchet" by various recording artists and YouTube videographers.
Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/10/emmanuel-and-philip-hudson-ratchet-girl.html for Part III of this series. Part III showcases the 2012 video "Ratchet Girl Anthem" and provides the lyrics and explanations for some other African American Vernacular English terms from those lyrics.
The content of this post is presented for etymological and cultural purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to all those who are featured in these videos, thanks to all those who are quoted in this post, and thanks to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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OVERVIEW OF THE SLANG WORD "RATCHET"
The earliest record that includes the slang word "ratchet" was released in 1992 (the Hip Hop song "I'm So Bad" by UGK (Underground Kingz). In that record-which is full of profanity and what is commonly known as "the n word"- UGK uses "ratchet-ass" as an insult.
Notwithstanding that information, most articles and post credit Shreveport, Louisiana as the birthplace of "ratchetness". Indeed, a nickname for Shreveport is "ratchet city". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_city_nicknames_in_Louisiana.
Here's some information about Shreveport and the word "ratchet".
From http://www.nappyafro.com/2012/05/23/lets-get-ratchet-the-origin-of-ratchetness/ Let’s Get Ratchet: The Origin Of Ratchetness, by Short-T, May 23, 2012
"During my adolescent years at Southwood High School in Shreveport, Louisiana, I learned a new word for “ho”. “Ratchet” described my peers who participated in extra-curricular activities after school and on the weekends in backseats, someone’s mama’s bedroom, or in a movie theater. I remember in middle school we used to joke and call them, “Go Livers”. The new slang was born when the soon-to-be-King of Louisiana, Lil’ Boosie, collaborated with the local record label Lavahouse and its owner, Mandigo and made the song that would later teach everyone in Louisiana “Ratchet”, as a dance and a true meaning behind the local movement that would gain momentum...
I have heard the word that describes my small Louisiana city, used by major artists like Wiz Khalifa, Chris Brown, Nicki Minaj and many other people who have probably never tasted gumbo or peeled crawfish in their lives. The worst offenders have been DJ Mustard, the producer of “Rack City” and Def Jam signee, YG. They have done several interviews describing the music landscape of the youth in California, using the same descriptions Hurricane used to explain the Shreveport lifestyle. The biggest slap in the face was the claim of creating Ratchet Music. I really did not see myself getting upset over a word that means ignorant and accurately describes the people that live that life, but not giving credit to the originators actually upsets me and anyone else that know the origin story. It obviously means a lot to some people if you are willing to claim ownership of something you did not create."...
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Read more information about the word "ratchet" in Part I of this series.
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SHOWCASE VIDEOS
Examples #1: My Cuzin Doin The Ratchet
charde06, Uploaded on May 30, 2006
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In the beginning of this video, a female voice says says "Hey y'all this is my cousin (cuzin) finna to do (getting ready to do) the ratchet".
Here's selected comments from this video's discussion thread.
1. Dinene Hussain, 2006
"you taught us how to do the ratchet! Thanks! :)"
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2007
2. passphrase
"go on gurl...pop dat colla"
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Here's some information about the term "pop dat colla" from http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poppin%27%20ya%20collar
"Poppin' ya collar
A phrase generally used in the hip hop lexicon. It describes not only an action, but also a general attitude. The term was originally used in this sense by the rapper E-40. When used by E-40, and many other hip hop artists including Three 6 Mafia in their song Poppin My Collar, the term refers to the act of pulling one's collar, or the clothing where one's collar would be (as when wearing a t-shirt), with the thumb and fingertips. One then releases the clothing in varying degrees of flamboyance. Used in this sense, "poppin' ya collar" is more about the attitude and message of confidence portrayed in so doing than any clothing style (see upturned collar). E-40 immortalized the term (and the accompanying attitude), in his song Pop Ya Collar from his album Loyalty and Betrayal....
by Mr. Pompo October 24, 2006
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Read my comment for #4 below about being "hard".
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2009
3. martino7468
"LIL Momma tight. She the best i seen on you tube."
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"Lil momma" - an affectionate referent that some (but not all) African Americans use for females from babies to pre-teens.
"tight" = doing something very well (in this case - dancing very well)
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4. FLiiPSTaaR
"she the game face on lock an load... she lookin like "im killin it you know im killin it so ummm...please hate" she kilt it though 5*
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A number of commenters referred to the dancer having a "game face". "Game" here refers to a sports competition. "lock an load" (getting ready to shoot; in this sense from the beginning of her dance). "she lookin like "im killin it you know im killin it so ummm...please hate" means that she confident that she is doing very well (killin it) so her face and demeanor is saying "I dare you to criticize me (hate on me). "She kilt it through 5" probably refers to the five stars rating system that YouTube used to have = with 5 being the highest (best) score.
Read the comment below about having a "stank face" (a serious expression on one's face). Making a "stank face" might be done to convey the persona of a female who is "hard" (someone who isn't supposed to be messed with).
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This face and demeanor points to the play acting that's an integral part of a lot of Black girls' recreational play. (Dancing is a part of recreational play). For instance, when Black girls chant confrontational foot stomping cheers such as "Hula Hula" (who think they bad), they aren't really looking for a fight or warning someone off. It's all part of an act.
Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/06/examples-of-hula-hula-who-think-they.html for a pancocojams post on "Hula Hula" cheer.
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5. Iccees Strahan
"lil mama was GETTIN IT!!!! That was hot!!!"
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"Gettin it" = doing the dance very well
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2010
6. Faye Wilson
"i used to do the rachet like dat"
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2011
7. TehudiDG07
"killin it i know you be gettin loose in the club"
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"Getting loose" means "to dance very well" maybe because one way that people can dance very well is to be loose (and not stiff).
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8. Marquez West Jr.
"You killed it bit you wiz making dat stank face"
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9. Lashai Mo
"To cute!! She dance like me & I'm 31yr old with her head up..Do that!!!!"
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I"m 31yr. with her head up may mean "31 year old self-assured adult."
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10. Jai Baxter
"I love this video because she got that confidence in her face. Even her cousin said 'The face'...LOL. She better do that. I ain't mad at her."
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2012
11. david broussard
"that song is the truth we do all got some ratchet in us!!"
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12. david broussard
AWSOME!!, UGOGURL!!
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UGOGIR!! - "You go girl" is a statement of admiration.
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demond adams
13. "ooo she kno she go HARD"
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"To go hard" evidences a "tough girl" demeanor (according to Black urban culture standards).
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14. ceeeluvv, 2013
"ummm, ths ain't nothin but the Gangster Walk from about "92"
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WARNING: Parental discretion is advised for this video.
Examples #2: Do Da Ratchet' music video Lava House feat. Lil Boosie
Adetiba 'Super-Director', Uploaded on Oct 10, 2006
'Do Da Ratchet' music video produced by Adetiba/Texas Best Productions for Lava House Records. Shreveport Louisiana aka 'Ratchet City'
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Here's a description of this dance from http://latinrapper.com/blogs/?p=8810
"In the original music video for “Do Da Ratchet” you can see clubgoers and others doing the ratchet dance, and moving their arms in circular ratcheting motions. And true to the dance term’s double meaning as something hood or ghetto, at the 1:24 mark in the video** you can see what appears to be a pregnant woman holding a bottle of beer as she dances in the club."
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Here are some selected comments from this video's discussion thread:
The comments are given in chronological order with the oldest comments given first except for replies. Numbers are assigned for referencing purposes only.
1. Tehran Bertrand, 2013
"just like twerkin, cheeky blakk came out with that dong twerk something in the early 90ls in new orleans and now everybody talkin bout twerk this and twerk that
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2. 1975COREY, 2013
"why is this girl in the green pregnant and drinking? really?"
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"Really" here infers criticism of a pregnant woman dancing and drinking at a nightclub.
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3. cedric lee, 2013
"Ratchet city 318 in the built we start it dirty south Louisiana."
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"in the built" = in the building (meaning "is here"). We start it etc. = "We (Louisiana) started the "dirty South" [culture].
Here's some information about the term "dirty south" from https://www.quora.com/Where-does-the-term-Dirty-South-originate-from-and-what-does-it-mean by
Christopher Lin, English, [profanity deleted] ! I speak it!, Written May 14, 2010
Dirty South refers to a subgenre of Southern rap characterised by heavy bass beats and bouncy rhythms good for dancing in clubs. The lyrical content usually focuses on sex, parties, nightlife, conspicuous consumption, and Southern culture, and the delivery is characterised by a relaxed drawl.
The genre grew out of the club scene in the southern U.S. during the late 1980s, in particular the Miami Bass style, and gained mainstream prominence with the rise of OutKast and the success of their 1994 album Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik. The term itself originates from the song 'Dirty South' by Goodie Mob on their 1995 debut album Soul Food. The Dirty South style remains a strong influence in lots of contemporary mainstream party-oriented hip-hop (at least, until this weird craze of Eurodance-inflected hip-hop completely takes over)."
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4. ken town, 2013
"Shteveport started the rachet now the whole world hollin rachheet was up Texas Lousian!!! We in here!!"
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5. Nura Fountano, 2013
"Maaan.... I'm so glad this has a time date stamp of when it was uploaded. I swear Texas and Louisiana culture is jocked the hardest. Just like them lil dudes made a come up off of teach me how to dougie. A dude out a Dallas started that dance. Well Dougie Fresh first of course. But Dallas dude did pay homage to the originator. But the world recognizes the Cali dudes for starting it. Just a shame."
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6. lataviajones12, 2014
"So true LOUISIANA been on the ratchet and twerking but i guess that's what happens when you stay in a small state."
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7. 228allday, 2015
"On everythang they be stealing the souths slang"
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8. ceeeluvv, 2014
"this just the old gangsta walk sped up"
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9. mgtaduran2 years ago
"only 500k views and over a million people say ratchet now"
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This video has a total of 655,345 views as of the date of this post's publication.
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Thursday, October 20, 2016
Politicizing Janet Jackson's (and Vanity 6's) "Nasty" Songs
Edited by Azizi Powell
This morning, I woke up with the lyrics "Nasty girl/oh you nasty girl" fluttering through my thoughts of the third United States Presidential debate. And why not? Towards the end of that debate Republican candidate for President Donald J. Trump said "Such a nasty woman" in reference to Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton after she dared to suggest that he might follow his general practice of trying to find ways of getting out of increasing his taxes to fund social security. Trump's "You're a nasty woman" comment is forever tied to his earlier comment that "No one respects women more than me".
Here's a video of Trump saying those two comments:
Donald Trump "Nobody Has More Respect for Women" & "Such a Nasty Woman"
GOOD Magazine, Published on Oct 19, 2016
Donald Trump says "nobody has more respect for women" than he does. A short while later he interrupts Hillary Clinton to call her a "nasty woman."
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And check out this video mashup video:
Hillary Clinton Gets Nasty
dtran Published on Oct 19, 2016
#Trump, "She's such a #nasty woman." Hillary Clinton #ImWithHer #ImWithNasty #GetNastyOnHisAss
#HombreDoesntGetIt #ClintyGetNasty #RockTheVote #Vote #BritneyVSJanet ;)
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Background music clip- Janet Jackson - "Nasty" (1986)
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Here's the Janet Jackson "Nasty" video along with some politicized comments:
Janet Jackson - Nasty (HQ 1080p HD)
OMAR HERNANDEZ Published on Mar 29, 2013
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Click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasty_(Janet_Jackson_song) for a Wikipedia article about Janet Jackson's "Nasty".
Here are selected comments from that video's discussion thread. All of the comments are from 10/20/2016
1. yeah okay player
"RIP Trump's campaign.
I hope Hillary plays this during her inauguration."
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2. J Sindone8 hours ago
Her first name ain't baby, it's Hilary, President Clinton if you're nasty
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3. Dawna Maiella
"The Presidential Debate just got, "Nasty!" LOL!"
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4. Dawna Maiella
"Nasty, nasty debates! "Nasty woman: Donald Trump.""
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5. sk8walker
LOL heard that and came here right away.
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These are only a sample of the comments that referred to Janet Jackson's 1986 song "Nasty" and its often quoted line "My first name ain't baby, it's Janet – Miss Jackson if you're nasty".
But it wasn't Janet's record that was circulating through my mind when I woke up this morning - it was this 1982 Vanity 6 song:
Vanity 6 - Nasty Girl (original 1982)
RoRoBaby369, Uploaded on Aug 26, 2010
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Click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasty_Girl_(Vanity_6_song) for information about this song which was written by Pop musician, singer, composer Prince. Vanity 6's lead singer was Denise Matthews (January 4, 1959 – February 15, 2016), also known as "Vanity".
Here are selected comments from that video's discussion thread: (All these comments are from 10/20/2016.)
1. hERooINe
"trump led me here."
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2. destiny66
"Hillary Clinton's should be new theme song! #thinkaboutit"
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3. Anakronyo
"Such a nasty woman" lol Trump!"
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4. Photo Larry
"#ImWithNasty"
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That hyperlink leads to a Hillary Clinton website that then leads to the second video in this post.
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5. Rhonda Lewis
"Waiting on the remix for Hillary Clinton's new ad....."
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utahaztec
"What a nasty woman! I better report her to Trump."
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There are lots of comments in that Vanity 6 discussion thread that I'd love to document and highlight on this blog, including comments about light skin, redbone Black women. Look for that post here in the new future.
But after checking out Janet Jackson's and Vanity 6's "Nasty" music videos -and Beyoncé's related 2003 video "Naughty Girl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZuJ_OHBN78- I decided to search for articles about what people other than Donald think "women being nasty" means.
Here's a longish excerpt from https://www.bustle.com/articles/190663-let-a-nasty-woman-like-me-explain-the-problem-with-donald-trumps-debate-comment "Let A Nasty Woman Like Me Explain The Problem With Donald Trump’s Debate Comment" by Gabrielle Moss, 10/19/2016
"Are you now, or have you ever been, categorized as a "nasty woman?" That's the latest bizarre, sexist turn of phrase Donald Trump used in the third presidential debate to try and tarnish Hillary Clinton's reputation, and it sounded familiar to me. Anyone else? Have you ever called a man out for being totally, utterly, absurdly wrong about something — like, so wrong it was obvious he wasn't even trying to not be wrong, and was possibly even kind of getting off a little bit on how wrong he was — and been told that you were "such a nasty woman" or some other descriptor that implied that you were foul, angry, some kind of human hemorrhoid? Have you ever been told that you were rude, unkind, or offensive, because you didn't put a man's feelings before your own in literally any situation?
Ha ha, just kidding — of course you have! If you're a woman, you've been told that it's a character flaw to ever state a very obvious fact about a man that paints him in a negative light (and if you're a woman who spends a lot of time online, you've already been told this 19 times today). Trump's jump aboard the "nasty" train makes perfect sense — over the course of his battle with Clinton for the presidency, it feels like he's done a grand tour of every kind of misogyny there is, from braying about his entitlement to commit sexual assault to implying that Clinton is not hot enough to become president. So naturally, there was no where to go but Nastytown.....
Washington PostVideo ✔ @PostVideo
Trump calls Clinton 'nasty woman' in answer on entitlement programs
10:36 PM - 19 Oct 2016
And I must admit, Trump was effective by one measure. There is a certain sting to "nasty." "Nasty" isn't as easy to dismiss as a vulgar insult, or some disparagement that you know to be untrue. "Nasty" says you're committing the worst crime any woman in our society can commit: you're making people think you're unkind. That's different than actually being unkind, of course — "nasty" is all about perception. You could spend all day devoting your life to public service (you know, like Hillary Clinton does), but inform one guy that you know that he didn't pay his taxes for almost two decades, and suddenly none of it is supposed to count. Suddenly, you're "nasty."....
And I have to say, at the risk of sounding cliché, I'm proud of it all. I'm proud of my nastiness. Because, do you know what "nasty" means? It means that I speak up when I see something that I think is wrong, even if I know it will make some people think that I am a jerk because their lives would have been easier if I had kept quiet. It means that I don't swallow my words when I know they need to be said, even if said words will make someone think I'm not a "good" woman. Because I'm not a good woman. I'm a f&&king* nasty woman. And I love it.
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This word is completely spelled out in this comment.
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And lastly, here's an excerpt from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/32-tweets-that-will-make-you-damn-proud-to-be-a-nasty-woman_us_58083374e4b0180a36e8f59d "32 Tweets That Will Make You Damn Proud To Be A Nasty Woman" by Jessica Samakow, 10/19/2016
"Donald Trump is nothing if not consistent in the way he demeans women. “Such a nasty woman,” he muttered into his microphone in the final moments of the third presidential debate while Hillary Clinton was answering a question about health care.
It was a horrifying moment that should surprise nobody considering how Trump has acted in the past any time a woman has threatened his (very fragile) masculinity.
But this time, the good people of Twitter decided not to be offended by Trump’s words. Instead, they took the opportunity to make some beautiful Janet Jackson references and declare that perhaps a Nasty Woman in the White House is exactly what we need.
Just minutes after the debate ended, NastyWomenGetShitDone.com was redirecting to HillaryClinton.com ― the handy work of Jeff Meltz, a photographer and social media producer who lives in New York."
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That author shares "32 tweets that will have you wearing Nasty Woman as a badge of honor". Here are a few of those tweets (renumbered in no particular order for this pancocojams post)
1. Alanna Vagianos ✔ @lannadelgrey
"You know what a #NastyWoman is good at? Voting. #debate"
11:03 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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2. Nasty Natalia Reagan @natalia13reagan
"I like my presidents like I like my woman, nasty. And strong. And smart. And capable. #Debatenight" #ImWithHer
10:40 PM - 19 Oct 2016 · Burbank, CA, United States"
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3. Julia Craven ✔ @juliacraven
"I, too, am a nasty woman (if nasty means smarter than you and you pissed about it) #debatenight"
10:50 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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4. Sarah Watson @SarahWatson42
"Such a Nasty Woman" is my new battle cry.
10:40 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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5. Jason Sparks @sparksjls
"A nasty woman's place is in the White House."
10:50 PM - 19 Oct 2016 · Washington, DC, United States
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6. Emma Gray ✔ @emmaladyrose
"How do you think Trump is gonna feel when all the "nasty women" get out and vote on November 8th?"
10:48 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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7. Joseph Nobles @BoloBoffin
"All the nasty women
All the nasty women
All the nasty women
All the nasty women
Get your votes up"
10:46 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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This is a re-working of Beyonce’s song “All the single ladies" ("Get your hands up”).
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8. Marci Walton @MarciKWalton
"Trump made a big mistake using the word nasty. Cuts across gender, race, sexual orientation, and Janet enthusiasts. #NastyWomenVote #debate"
10:45 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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9. Elizabeth Banks ✔ @ElizabethBanks
"Madame President if you're #nasty #debatenight"
10:40 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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10. Ron Charles ✔ @RonCharles
"That's the sound of people everywhere printing up t-shirts that say, "Nasty Women Make History.""
10:40 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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11. braden graeber @hipstermermaid
"I want an orange man in the streets and a nasty woman in the White House."
10:39 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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12. Rachael Berkey ✔ @bookoisseur
"Proud to be a nasty woman. #ImWithHer"
10:35 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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13.Anne T. Donahue ✔ @annetdonahue
"SHOUT-OUT TO ALL MY FELLOW NASTY WOMEN OUT THERE #DEBATENIGHT"
10:34 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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14.Jeanne Queen-Blake · Works at Placer Academy
"Janet would be so proud! Miss Jackson, for those of us who know!"
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15. Jennifer Wright @JenAshleyWright
"Look, if you've ever been called a "nasty woman" for disagreeing with a man, go vote November 8." #DebateNight
10:39 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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UPDATE: 10/20/2016, 11:28 AM
I also meant to include that I think that in its positive sense the term "nasty women" can refer to women
who acknowledge and celebrate their sexuality, however ways we are true to themselves. In that sense women are reclaiming the word "nasty" and declaring that we are going to be all that we can be".
Maybe I should also add - Women are saying they can be nasty as they don't get too raunchy (or ratchet*) with it.
*That's an inside joke. Read the comment that I wrote below before I added this update.
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This morning, I woke up with the lyrics "Nasty girl/oh you nasty girl" fluttering through my thoughts of the third United States Presidential debate. And why not? Towards the end of that debate Republican candidate for President Donald J. Trump said "Such a nasty woman" in reference to Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton after she dared to suggest that he might follow his general practice of trying to find ways of getting out of increasing his taxes to fund social security. Trump's "You're a nasty woman" comment is forever tied to his earlier comment that "No one respects women more than me".
Here's a video of Trump saying those two comments:
Donald Trump "Nobody Has More Respect for Women" & "Such a Nasty Woman"
GOOD Magazine, Published on Oct 19, 2016
Donald Trump says "nobody has more respect for women" than he does. A short while later he interrupts Hillary Clinton to call her a "nasty woman."
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And check out this video mashup video:
Hillary Clinton Gets Nasty
dtran Published on Oct 19, 2016
#Trump, "She's such a #nasty woman." Hillary Clinton #ImWithHer #ImWithNasty #GetNastyOnHisAss
#HombreDoesntGetIt #ClintyGetNasty #RockTheVote #Vote #BritneyVSJanet ;)
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Background music clip- Janet Jackson - "Nasty" (1986)
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Here's the Janet Jackson "Nasty" video along with some politicized comments:
Janet Jackson - Nasty (HQ 1080p HD)
OMAR HERNANDEZ Published on Mar 29, 2013
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Click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasty_(Janet_Jackson_song) for a Wikipedia article about Janet Jackson's "Nasty".
Here are selected comments from that video's discussion thread. All of the comments are from 10/20/2016
1. yeah okay player
"RIP Trump's campaign.
I hope Hillary plays this during her inauguration."
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2. J Sindone8 hours ago
Her first name ain't baby, it's Hilary, President Clinton if you're nasty
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3. Dawna Maiella
"The Presidential Debate just got, "Nasty!" LOL!"
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4. Dawna Maiella
"Nasty, nasty debates! "Nasty woman: Donald Trump.""
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5. sk8walker
LOL heard that and came here right away.
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These are only a sample of the comments that referred to Janet Jackson's 1986 song "Nasty" and its often quoted line "My first name ain't baby, it's Janet – Miss Jackson if you're nasty".
But it wasn't Janet's record that was circulating through my mind when I woke up this morning - it was this 1982 Vanity 6 song:
Vanity 6 - Nasty Girl (original 1982)
RoRoBaby369, Uploaded on Aug 26, 2010
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Click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasty_Girl_(Vanity_6_song) for information about this song which was written by Pop musician, singer, composer Prince. Vanity 6's lead singer was Denise Matthews (January 4, 1959 – February 15, 2016), also known as "Vanity".
Here are selected comments from that video's discussion thread: (All these comments are from 10/20/2016.)
1. hERooINe
"trump led me here."
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2. destiny66
"Hillary Clinton's should be new theme song! #thinkaboutit"
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3. Anakronyo
"Such a nasty woman" lol Trump!"
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4. Photo Larry
"#ImWithNasty"
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That hyperlink leads to a Hillary Clinton website that then leads to the second video in this post.
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5. Rhonda Lewis
"Waiting on the remix for Hillary Clinton's new ad....."
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utahaztec
"What a nasty woman! I better report her to Trump."
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There are lots of comments in that Vanity 6 discussion thread that I'd love to document and highlight on this blog, including comments about light skin, redbone Black women. Look for that post here in the new future.
But after checking out Janet Jackson's and Vanity 6's "Nasty" music videos -and Beyoncé's related 2003 video "Naughty Girl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZuJ_OHBN78- I decided to search for articles about what people other than Donald think "women being nasty" means.
Here's a longish excerpt from https://www.bustle.com/articles/190663-let-a-nasty-woman-like-me-explain-the-problem-with-donald-trumps-debate-comment "Let A Nasty Woman Like Me Explain The Problem With Donald Trump’s Debate Comment" by Gabrielle Moss, 10/19/2016
"Are you now, or have you ever been, categorized as a "nasty woman?" That's the latest bizarre, sexist turn of phrase Donald Trump used in the third presidential debate to try and tarnish Hillary Clinton's reputation, and it sounded familiar to me. Anyone else? Have you ever called a man out for being totally, utterly, absurdly wrong about something — like, so wrong it was obvious he wasn't even trying to not be wrong, and was possibly even kind of getting off a little bit on how wrong he was — and been told that you were "such a nasty woman" or some other descriptor that implied that you were foul, angry, some kind of human hemorrhoid? Have you ever been told that you were rude, unkind, or offensive, because you didn't put a man's feelings before your own in literally any situation?
Ha ha, just kidding — of course you have! If you're a woman, you've been told that it's a character flaw to ever state a very obvious fact about a man that paints him in a negative light (and if you're a woman who spends a lot of time online, you've already been told this 19 times today). Trump's jump aboard the "nasty" train makes perfect sense — over the course of his battle with Clinton for the presidency, it feels like he's done a grand tour of every kind of misogyny there is, from braying about his entitlement to commit sexual assault to implying that Clinton is not hot enough to become president. So naturally, there was no where to go but Nastytown.....
Washington PostVideo ✔ @PostVideo
Trump calls Clinton 'nasty woman' in answer on entitlement programs
10:36 PM - 19 Oct 2016
And I must admit, Trump was effective by one measure. There is a certain sting to "nasty." "Nasty" isn't as easy to dismiss as a vulgar insult, or some disparagement that you know to be untrue. "Nasty" says you're committing the worst crime any woman in our society can commit: you're making people think you're unkind. That's different than actually being unkind, of course — "nasty" is all about perception. You could spend all day devoting your life to public service (you know, like Hillary Clinton does), but inform one guy that you know that he didn't pay his taxes for almost two decades, and suddenly none of it is supposed to count. Suddenly, you're "nasty."....
And I have to say, at the risk of sounding cliché, I'm proud of it all. I'm proud of my nastiness. Because, do you know what "nasty" means? It means that I speak up when I see something that I think is wrong, even if I know it will make some people think that I am a jerk because their lives would have been easier if I had kept quiet. It means that I don't swallow my words when I know they need to be said, even if said words will make someone think I'm not a "good" woman. Because I'm not a good woman. I'm a f&&king* nasty woman. And I love it.
-snip-
This word is completely spelled out in this comment.
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And lastly, here's an excerpt from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/32-tweets-that-will-make-you-damn-proud-to-be-a-nasty-woman_us_58083374e4b0180a36e8f59d "32 Tweets That Will Make You Damn Proud To Be A Nasty Woman" by Jessica Samakow, 10/19/2016
"Donald Trump is nothing if not consistent in the way he demeans women. “Such a nasty woman,” he muttered into his microphone in the final moments of the third presidential debate while Hillary Clinton was answering a question about health care.
It was a horrifying moment that should surprise nobody considering how Trump has acted in the past any time a woman has threatened his (very fragile) masculinity.
But this time, the good people of Twitter decided not to be offended by Trump’s words. Instead, they took the opportunity to make some beautiful Janet Jackson references and declare that perhaps a Nasty Woman in the White House is exactly what we need.
Just minutes after the debate ended, NastyWomenGetShitDone.com was redirecting to HillaryClinton.com ― the handy work of Jeff Meltz, a photographer and social media producer who lives in New York."
-snip-
That author shares "32 tweets that will have you wearing Nasty Woman as a badge of honor". Here are a few of those tweets (renumbered in no particular order for this pancocojams post)
1. Alanna Vagianos ✔ @lannadelgrey
"You know what a #NastyWoman is good at? Voting. #debate"
11:03 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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2. Nasty Natalia Reagan @natalia13reagan
"I like my presidents like I like my woman, nasty. And strong. And smart. And capable. #Debatenight" #ImWithHer
10:40 PM - 19 Oct 2016 · Burbank, CA, United States"
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3. Julia Craven ✔ @juliacraven
"I, too, am a nasty woman (if nasty means smarter than you and you pissed about it) #debatenight"
10:50 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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4. Sarah Watson @SarahWatson42
"Such a Nasty Woman" is my new battle cry.
10:40 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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5. Jason Sparks @sparksjls
"A nasty woman's place is in the White House."
10:50 PM - 19 Oct 2016 · Washington, DC, United States
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6. Emma Gray ✔ @emmaladyrose
"How do you think Trump is gonna feel when all the "nasty women" get out and vote on November 8th?"
10:48 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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7. Joseph Nobles @BoloBoffin
"All the nasty women
All the nasty women
All the nasty women
All the nasty women
Get your votes up"
10:46 PM - 19 Oct 2016
-snip-
This is a re-working of Beyonce’s song “All the single ladies" ("Get your hands up”).
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8. Marci Walton @MarciKWalton
"Trump made a big mistake using the word nasty. Cuts across gender, race, sexual orientation, and Janet enthusiasts. #NastyWomenVote #debate"
10:45 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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9. Elizabeth Banks ✔ @ElizabethBanks
"Madame President if you're #nasty #debatenight"
10:40 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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10. Ron Charles ✔ @RonCharles
"That's the sound of people everywhere printing up t-shirts that say, "Nasty Women Make History.""
10:40 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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11. braden graeber @hipstermermaid
"I want an orange man in the streets and a nasty woman in the White House."
10:39 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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12. Rachael Berkey ✔ @bookoisseur
"Proud to be a nasty woman. #ImWithHer"
10:35 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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13.Anne T. Donahue ✔ @annetdonahue
"SHOUT-OUT TO ALL MY FELLOW NASTY WOMEN OUT THERE #DEBATENIGHT"
10:34 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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14.Jeanne Queen-Blake · Works at Placer Academy
"Janet would be so proud! Miss Jackson, for those of us who know!"
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15. Jennifer Wright @JenAshleyWright
"Look, if you've ever been called a "nasty woman" for disagreeing with a man, go vote November 8." #DebateNight
10:39 PM - 19 Oct 2016
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UPDATE: 10/20/2016, 11:28 AM
I also meant to include that I think that in its positive sense the term "nasty women" can refer to women
who acknowledge and celebrate their sexuality, however ways we are true to themselves. In that sense women are reclaiming the word "nasty" and declaring that we are going to be all that we can be".
Maybe I should also add - Women are saying they can be nasty as they don't get too raunchy (or ratchet*) with it.
*That's an inside joke. Read the comment that I wrote below before I added this update.
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All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and all the singers whose videos are featured in this post.
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Monday, October 17, 2016
Todrick Hall's Video "Cinderonce" & YouTube Questions & Comments About Why The Entire Cast Is Black
Edited by Azizi Powell
This is Part I of a two part pancocojams series that showcases the parody video "Cinderonce" by Todrick Hall.
Part I presents that video and highlights discussions in that video's viewer comment thread about why the entire cast is Black.
Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/10/todrick-halls-video-cinderonce-youtube_18.html for Part II of this post. Part II presents that video and highlights a discussion in that video's viewer comment thread about why Cinderonce doesn't have a natural hairstyle for the royal ball.
The content of this post is presented for cultural, sociological, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Todrick Hall and his cast for this parody video of the well known European fairy tale "Cinderella". Thanks also to Beyonce for the songs that are featured in this video. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Cinderonce by Todrick Hall
todrickhall, Published on Aug 20, 2013
....
STARRING
Tiffany Daniels as Cinderonce
Unterrio Edwards AKA Mia Fierce as Anastasia
Miles Jai as Drizella
Vonzell Solomon as The Evil Stepmother
Todrick Hall as Prince Charming
Shangela as The Fairy Dragmother
Joshua Allen as The Duke
-snip-
All the songs are Beyonce’s records – hence the video's title “Cinderonce”.
In 2015 commenter Boubakar D posted this list of Beyonce songs that are found in Todrick Hall's "Cinderonce".
1. Halo ( 0:10 )
2. Diva ( 0:40 )
3. Freakum Dress ( 1:34)
4. Single Ladies ( 2:22)
5. I Been On (Never Officially Released) ( 2:59 )
6. 1+1 ( 3:15 ) (Later on samples "Hello" and "End of Time")
7. Countdown ( 4:54 )
8. Why Don't You Love Me ( 5:06 )
9. Love On Top ( 5:54 ) (With Dangerously In Love)
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD: QUESTION: WHY IS THE ENTIRE CAST BLACK?
These comments are divided into three sections. The comments in each section are given in chronological order with the oldest comments given first, except for replies. I've numbered these comments for referencing purposes only.
Disclaimer: This is not meant to imply that the only discussions about race in that YouTube comment thread were these two sub-threads. There were a number of other comments with replies and without replies about race and about racism, including the comments highlighted in Part II of this series.
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Sub-thread #1
Note: This is the complete sub-thread as of the publishing date/time of this pancocojams post.
2014
1. tiliya smith
"Why are they all black??"
**
Reply
2. Kiara Ligans
"Because it's todrick mutha effin hall and he can do what he pleases"
**
Reply
3. Taja Dominique
"+Kiara Ligans lmao duhh"
**
Reply
4. Shannon Strickland
"Why does no one question it when there's only white people in music videos??"
**
Reply
5. holly_stoxx
"^^preach it"
**
Reply
6. charlotte R. Van der Haer
"+tiliya smith Why not?"
**
Reply
7. Sarah Taylor
"Why in Cinderella are they all white?"
**
Reply
8. ChantalPerezify
"facepalms @ OP"
-snip-
OP = Original Poster
**
Reply
9. Mary Mboyo
"Because all of them were born black duh"
**
Reply
10. Valentinaa Chainberlain
"because todrick made a cinderonce and beyonce is black and so is all of them"
**
Reply
11. Groovy Iyanna
"Why are u so tall or so short cause u were born that and they werent all black ur stupid."
**
Reply
12. jalisas
"Bc he's black."
**
Reply
13. Nyasia Gg
"That's just rude rude"
**
Reply
14. Jazmin gonzàlez
"Oh my God Tiliya Smith, you can't just ask people why they're black! *mean girls lol"
**
Reply
15. Nature Queen
"Why would you ask something so ridiculous?"
**
Reply
16. Alana Rhiannon
"Cause black people are FABULOUS‼️"
**
Reply
17. Nature Queen
"+Alana Coe YAAASSS!"
**
Reply
18. Alicia Vintage
"Because they can be"
**
Reply
19. Venessa Siaosi, 2015
"Cuz they can...Beyoncé is, and she's famous, That's Awesome that she is (it doesn't really matter) anyways...DEAL WITH IT!!!"
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Sub-thread #2
These are selected comments from another sub-thread in that video's viewer comment thread.
Profanity that is included in one of these comments has been deleted and noted as per this blog's policy.
2015
1. Leemaid2010
"This has to be my fav video of his. One where the black ppl aren't acting ratcheted or ghetto. I wish he would do more videos like this"
-snip-
Update: 10/18/2016 1:10 PM
Read a definition for "ratchet" in the comment section below. A pancocojams post on the word "ratchet" will be published ASAP and its link will be added to this post.
**
Reply
2. Anthony Wikio-Maurangi
"He's already gone over this many times before. You must be new here...
Less than 10 out of the 300 videos Todrick has uploaded contain black people acting 'ratchet'. Watch the other 290 videos if you have a problem with it."
**
2016
3. Leemaid2010
"+Zachary Khan I'm talking about a video like this where it's 100% black ppl and are not acting like black stereotypes. This is lovely and I wish he would do more."
-snip-
I didn't find the comment from Zachary Khan that Leemaid2010 is responding to. However, what he wrote can be surmised from her response.
**
Reply
4. Jeffy Cherian
"That's actually kind of racist because what if a white person was like I wish he would make more videos with 100% white people."
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5. Miss Cyanide
"+Jeffy Cherian this has nothing to do with that. All he said is he liked it when it's not all about how ratchet black people are. That has nothing to do with how there is 100% black people. Every other fucking video has enough white people in it. Every [profanity deleted] place on earth has enough white people. It's nice to see a change."
**
Reply
6. Sabrinachic45
"+Jeffy Cherian Stop. Racism implies more than just discrimination, but power. White culture has power over minorities. Therefore, you cannot be racist against the power structure. It doesn't work. Second of all, EVERYTHING ALREADY APPLIES TO YOUR DESCRIPTION! Have you noticed that every facet of media is saturated with white faces? Take your racism elsewhere."
**
7. Jeffy Cherian
"Okay so it's not okay for a white person to say I wish he'd make more videos that has 100% white people, right? So why is it okay for a black person to say I wish he'd make more videos that has 100% black people? Whatever happened to equality..."
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8. Leemaid2010
"+Jeffy Cherian Dude this is a black man making music videos. He's allowed to have video that only has black ppl. That's not racist at all. If you want something with just all white ppl go watch tv or look at a magazine."
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Reply
9. Malini Basdeo
"+Jeffy Cherian if you want equality then there should actually be a LOT more videos with only black people in them, since white people dominate the media and all we are used to seeing are white people in videos. if you're preaching for equality, step down first."
**
Reply
10. O Sparks
"No one called Justin Bieber racist when he made his 'Sorry' music video. It's 100% white... and they're twerking O.o"
**
Comment Section #3: Selected stand alone comments*
*Stand Alone Comments- comments that don't appear to be published as though they were part of any sub-thread
2016
1. William North
"Shame this has to be ruined by a discussion, primarily by one chick about all black videos being made and how she wants more like them. Honey, if we haven't gotten to the point yet where it doesn't matter how many white or blacks on in a video, then we sad! The STAR is black...that should make you a little happy, or you want more?"
**
2. gabriellas channel
"Well white people are in a lot of videos so yh"
**
3. Demeter's Daughter
"The fact that all the dancers/actors are black. Yasssssss!!!!"
****
This concludes Part I of this series.
Thanks for visiting pancocojams.
Visitor comments are welcome.
This is Part I of a two part pancocojams series that showcases the parody video "Cinderonce" by Todrick Hall.
Part I presents that video and highlights discussions in that video's viewer comment thread about why the entire cast is Black.
Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/10/todrick-halls-video-cinderonce-youtube_18.html for Part II of this post. Part II presents that video and highlights a discussion in that video's viewer comment thread about why Cinderonce doesn't have a natural hairstyle for the royal ball.
The content of this post is presented for cultural, sociological, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Todrick Hall and his cast for this parody video of the well known European fairy tale "Cinderella". Thanks also to Beyonce for the songs that are featured in this video. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
****
SHOWCASE VIDEO: Cinderonce by Todrick Hall
todrickhall, Published on Aug 20, 2013
....
STARRING
Tiffany Daniels as Cinderonce
Unterrio Edwards AKA Mia Fierce as Anastasia
Miles Jai as Drizella
Vonzell Solomon as The Evil Stepmother
Todrick Hall as Prince Charming
Shangela as The Fairy Dragmother
Joshua Allen as The Duke
-snip-
All the songs are Beyonce’s records – hence the video's title “Cinderonce”.
In 2015 commenter Boubakar D posted this list of Beyonce songs that are found in Todrick Hall's "Cinderonce".
1. Halo ( 0:10 )
2. Diva ( 0:40 )
3. Freakum Dress ( 1:34)
4. Single Ladies ( 2:22)
5. I Been On (Never Officially Released) ( 2:59 )
6. 1+1 ( 3:15 ) (Later on samples "Hello" and "End of Time")
7. Countdown ( 4:54 )
8. Why Don't You Love Me ( 5:06 )
9. Love On Top ( 5:54 ) (With Dangerously In Love)
****
SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD: QUESTION: WHY IS THE ENTIRE CAST BLACK?
These comments are divided into three sections. The comments in each section are given in chronological order with the oldest comments given first, except for replies. I've numbered these comments for referencing purposes only.
Disclaimer: This is not meant to imply that the only discussions about race in that YouTube comment thread were these two sub-threads. There were a number of other comments with replies and without replies about race and about racism, including the comments highlighted in Part II of this series.
****
Sub-thread #1
Note: This is the complete sub-thread as of the publishing date/time of this pancocojams post.
2014
1. tiliya smith
"Why are they all black??"
**
Reply
2. Kiara Ligans
"Because it's todrick mutha effin hall and he can do what he pleases"
**
Reply
3. Taja Dominique
"+Kiara Ligans lmao duhh"
**
Reply
4. Shannon Strickland
"Why does no one question it when there's only white people in music videos??"
**
Reply
5. holly_stoxx
"^^preach it"
**
Reply
6. charlotte R. Van der Haer
"+tiliya smith Why not?"
**
Reply
7. Sarah Taylor
"Why in Cinderella are they all white?"
**
Reply
8. ChantalPerezify
"facepalms @ OP"
-snip-
OP = Original Poster
**
Reply
9. Mary Mboyo
"Because all of them were born black duh"
**
Reply
10. Valentinaa Chainberlain
"because todrick made a cinderonce and beyonce is black and so is all of them"
**
Reply
11. Groovy Iyanna
"Why are u so tall or so short cause u were born that and they werent all black ur stupid."
**
Reply
12. jalisas
"Bc he's black."
**
Reply
13. Nyasia Gg
"That's just rude rude"
**
Reply
14. Jazmin gonzàlez
"Oh my God Tiliya Smith, you can't just ask people why they're black! *mean girls lol"
**
Reply
15. Nature Queen
"Why would you ask something so ridiculous?"
**
Reply
16. Alana Rhiannon
"Cause black people are FABULOUS‼️"
**
Reply
17. Nature Queen
"+Alana Coe YAAASSS!"
**
Reply
18. Alicia Vintage
"Because they can be"
**
Reply
19. Venessa Siaosi, 2015
"Cuz they can...Beyoncé is, and she's famous, That's Awesome that she is (it doesn't really matter) anyways...DEAL WITH IT!!!"
****
Sub-thread #2
These are selected comments from another sub-thread in that video's viewer comment thread.
Profanity that is included in one of these comments has been deleted and noted as per this blog's policy.
2015
1. Leemaid2010
"This has to be my fav video of his. One where the black ppl aren't acting ratcheted or ghetto. I wish he would do more videos like this"
-snip-
Update: 10/18/2016 1:10 PM
Read a definition for "ratchet" in the comment section below. A pancocojams post on the word "ratchet" will be published ASAP and its link will be added to this post.
**
Reply
2. Anthony Wikio-Maurangi
"He's already gone over this many times before. You must be new here...
Less than 10 out of the 300 videos Todrick has uploaded contain black people acting 'ratchet'. Watch the other 290 videos if you have a problem with it."
**
2016
3. Leemaid2010
"+Zachary Khan I'm talking about a video like this where it's 100% black ppl and are not acting like black stereotypes. This is lovely and I wish he would do more."
-snip-
I didn't find the comment from Zachary Khan that Leemaid2010 is responding to. However, what he wrote can be surmised from her response.
**
Reply
4. Jeffy Cherian
"That's actually kind of racist because what if a white person was like I wish he would make more videos with 100% white people."
**
5. Miss Cyanide
"+Jeffy Cherian this has nothing to do with that. All he said is he liked it when it's not all about how ratchet black people are. That has nothing to do with how there is 100% black people. Every other fucking video has enough white people in it. Every [profanity deleted] place on earth has enough white people. It's nice to see a change."
**
Reply
6. Sabrinachic45
"+Jeffy Cherian Stop. Racism implies more than just discrimination, but power. White culture has power over minorities. Therefore, you cannot be racist against the power structure. It doesn't work. Second of all, EVERYTHING ALREADY APPLIES TO YOUR DESCRIPTION! Have you noticed that every facet of media is saturated with white faces? Take your racism elsewhere."
**
7. Jeffy Cherian
"Okay so it's not okay for a white person to say I wish he'd make more videos that has 100% white people, right? So why is it okay for a black person to say I wish he'd make more videos that has 100% black people? Whatever happened to equality..."
**
8. Leemaid2010
"+Jeffy Cherian Dude this is a black man making music videos. He's allowed to have video that only has black ppl. That's not racist at all. If you want something with just all white ppl go watch tv or look at a magazine."
**
Reply
9. Malini Basdeo
"+Jeffy Cherian if you want equality then there should actually be a LOT more videos with only black people in them, since white people dominate the media and all we are used to seeing are white people in videos. if you're preaching for equality, step down first."
**
Reply
10. O Sparks
"No one called Justin Bieber racist when he made his 'Sorry' music video. It's 100% white... and they're twerking O.o"
**
Comment Section #3: Selected stand alone comments*
*Stand Alone Comments- comments that don't appear to be published as though they were part of any sub-thread
2016
1. William North
"Shame this has to be ruined by a discussion, primarily by one chick about all black videos being made and how she wants more like them. Honey, if we haven't gotten to the point yet where it doesn't matter how many white or blacks on in a video, then we sad! The STAR is black...that should make you a little happy, or you want more?"
**
2. gabriellas channel
"Well white people are in a lot of videos so yh"
**
3. Demeter's Daughter
"The fact that all the dancers/actors are black. Yasssssss!!!!"
****
This concludes Part I of this series.
Thanks for visiting pancocojams.
Visitor comments are welcome.
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