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Monday, August 10, 2026

Information & Examples Of The "Old Witch Game" From William Wells Newell's 1884 Collection Of American Children's Songs And Rhymes

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post presents information about and American versions of the 
"Old Witch Game" from William Wells Newell's 1884 book "Collection Of American Children's Games & Songs". A transcription of that book is now found online. 

The content of this post is presented for folkloric and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown creators of this game. Thanks to the collectors of this game and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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The content of this post is presented for historical, folkloric, and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to William Wells Newell for his research on American children's rhyme. Thanks to all those who are quoted in that 1884 publication and thanks to gutenberg.org for publishing a free transcription of that book online.

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AN EXCERPT OF WILLIAM WELLS NEWELL'S 1884 COLLECTION OF AMERICAN CHILDREN'S SONGS AND RHYMES 

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/45762/45762-h/45762-h.htm#Page_194

"GAMES AND SONGS OF AMERICAN CHILDREN

COLLECTED AND COMPARED

BY

WILLIAM WELLS NEWELL

NEW YORK

HARPER & BROTHERS, PUBLISHERS

1884


Entered according to Act of Congress, in the year 1883, by


HARPER & BROTHERS,


In the Office of the Librarian of Congress, at Washington.

 

All rights reserved.


[…]

 

No. 154.

"Old Witch.

A.—Ten girls, a mother, a witch, and eight children—namely, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and the eldest daughter Sue. The mother, preparing to go out, addresses her children:

 

Now all you children stay at home,

And be good girls while I am gone;

Let no one in[138]

Especially you, my daughter Sue,

Or else I'll beat you black and blue.[139]

The witch knocks at the door, and is refused entrance by the children. She beguiles them by promises to admit her, which they finally do. She then holds out her pipe (a bit of stick), which she carries between her teeth, saying to Sue, "Light my pipe!" Sue refusing, she makes the same demand to each child, in the order of the days of the week, in which they are ranged. All refuse till she reaches the last, who consents and touches her pipe, whereupon the witch seizes her hand, and drags her out of the house to her "den."

 

The mother then returns, counts the children, and Sue is questioned and punished. This is played over until each child is taken, Sue last.

 

When the mother has lost all her children, the witch calls, and invites her to dinner. Upon going to the witch's door, she finds a table set for the meal, and the witch asks her to order a dish to suit her taste. She does so, whereupon the witch produces Sunday, and lays her upon the table, with considerable assistance from Sunday.

 

A very amusing dialogue now ensues between the witch and the mother. The former urges the mother to eat, with many blandishments, and the mother (recognizing her child) declines, with such excuses as any ingenious child can devise.

 

The mother, upon pretence of inability to eat the food, calls for another dish, and, when the witch leaves the room, hurries the child from the table and places her behind the chair. When the witch returns, she says that she found the dish so good that she ate it all, and calls for another.

 

Each child is produced in turn, with the same result. When all are arranged behind their mother, she calls for another dish, and when the witch leaves the room to get it, runs home with all her children.

 

Hartford, Conn.

Our second version (B) is from the lips of a little girl in New York city. The persons represented are the same, except that a servant instead of one of the daughters is left to take care of the children. Scene, the doorsteps, or "stoop," of a New York dwelling-house.

 

Mother [sings]. Chickany, chickany, crany, crow.

Went to the well to wash her great toe,

And when she came back her chicken was dead.[140]

[To Servant]. I am going out, and let nobody come in.

[Exit. Enter presently, Witch.

 

 

Witch [to Servant]. Give me a match to light my pipe.

Servant. I haven't any.

Witch. Your kettle's boiling over.

Servant. No.

Witch. Your kettle is boiling over.

Servant [goes to look]. Witch seizes a child and carries her off. [Re-enter Mother.

Mother [to servant]. Where's my Monday?

Servant. Under the table.

Mother [calls]. Monday!

Servant. Up in the band-box![141]

Mother. How to get up?

Servant. Put two broken chairs on a broken table.

Mother. Suppose I should fall and break my neck?

Servant. Good enough for you.

Mother beats servant, but recovering from her loss, goes out again. Witch enters as before, and carries off successively all the children, and at last the servant. Witch then puts the children in a row, cooks them, and makes them into pies, naming them apple-pie, peach-pie, etc. Mother goes out to buy pies.

 

Mother [to Witch]. Have you any pies?

Witch. Yes, some very nice apple-pies, which you will like.

Mother [tastes]. This tastes like my Monday. [Re-animates Monday.] Monday,

who brought you here? [Beats her, and sends her home.]

The mother proceeds in the same manner, and brings to life the other children.

 

C.—The name of the witch in this variation is "Old Mother Cripsy-crops," and the game begins by playing No. 89. When the mother goes out, the children call after her, "Old mother, the kettle boils." She answers, "Take a spoon and stir it." "We haven't got any." "Buy one." "We have no money." "Borrow," says the mother. "People won't lend," reply the children.

 

The witch comes in, and entices Sunday away by fine promises. When the mother comes back, she inquires, "Where's my Sunday?" The children make some excuse, as, "Perhaps he has gone down cellar," etc. She tells Tuesday to take care of Monday, as she had previously placed Monday in charge of Sunday, and goes out again, when the same scene is repeated, until all the children have been carried off.

 

The mother now calls at the witch's house, and asks to be let in. The witch refuses, saying, "No, your shoes are too dirty." "But I will take off my shoes." "Your stockings are too dirty." "Then I will take off my stockings." "Your feet are too dirty." "I will cut off my feet." "That would make the carpet all bloody." "But I must see my children, and you have got them." "What should I know about your children? But if you like you may call to-morrow at twelve."

 

The mother departs, and as soon as she is gone the witch goes to the children and renames them all. One she calls Mustard, another Pepper, another Salt, another Vinegar, etc. Then she turns their faces to the wall, and tells them to give these names if they are asked who they are. The mother calls again at the house of the witch, and this time is admitted. She asks the children what their names are, and they all answer as they were instructed by the witch. She then asks the first child to let her feel his toe. He puts up his foot, and when the mother feels it she says, "This is my Sunday! let your big toe carry you home;" whereupon he runs off. The same process is gone through with all the other children.

 

D.—To the mother (this time present), in the midst of her children, approaches the witch, who comes limping, leaning on a cane. The dialogue is between mother and witch.

 

"There's old mother Hippletyhop; I wonder what she wants to-day?"

"I want one of your children."

"Which one do you want?"

The witch names any child of the row.

 

"What will you give her to eat?"

"Plum-cake" (a different delicacy for each child).

The witch carries off the child, and observes: "Walk as I do, or else I'll kill you." She takes the child home and kills her, then returns for another. When all are gone the mother goes out to look for her children. She goes to the witch's house, and finds all the children (presumed to be dead) against the wall, making the most horrible faces. She points to a child, and asks, "What did [Mary] die of?" "She died of sucking her thumbs" (naming the child's gesture). Suddenly all the children come to themselves, and cry out, "Oh, mother, we are not dead!"

 

Portsmouth, N. H.

 

E.—In a fifth version, which we have failed to obtain in full, the witch changed the children into birds; and the mother, in order to recover them, must guess the name of the bird. Colors, instead of birds, were also used to represent the children.

 

F.—We have already spoken of the old English game of "Honey-pots" as an imitation of "Weighing." This trait, however, as might be supposed from its insignificant character, is a mere fragment of the original. In London (as we learn from an informant of the laboring class, who remembers taking part in the amusement), a child as market-woman arranges the rest in a row to indicate honey-pots, each with its specific flavor. While she is busy at one end of the row, a thief comes in and steals a pot from the other end. This process is repeated, until all the pots are taken. The dealer then goes out to buy honey-pots, and recognizes her own by the flavor, so recovering the stolen goods.

 

This game without doubt is the most curious of our collection, both on account of its own quaintness, and because of the extraordinary relation in which it stands to the child's lore of Europe. We have, in a note, endeavored to show that our American versions give the most ancient and adequate representation now existing of a childish drama which has diverged into numerous branches, and of which almost every trait has set up for itself as an independent game. Several of these offshoots are centuries old, and exist in many European tongues; while, so far as appears, their original has best maintained itself in the childish tradition of the New World.

 

Among a great number of German forms, only one (from Suabia) nearly corresponds to ours, with the exception of a corrupted ending.

 

In this childish drama a mother has many children, who sleep. In her absence comes "Old Urschel" with her two daughters, the "Night-maidens" (a sort of fairies), who steal three children, and carry them off to their cave (hiding them behind their extended dresses). The mother visits Urschel's abode to complain of the theft, but the "Night-maidens," with deprecating gestures, deny any knowledge of the lost. The action is then repeated, the eldest daughter (who plays the same part as in our first version) being taken last.

 

When the mother's complaints are useless, she becomes a witch. The next day Urschel takes her stolen family for a walk. The mother comes up and pulls the dress of a child; by her magic art all feel it at the same time, and cry to Urschel, "Oh, mother, somebody is pulling my gown!" The latter replies, "It must be a dog." The mother then asks and obtains leave to join the party, but endeavors to bewitch (or disenchant) her children, who cry, "The Witch of London!" and scatter, but are captured by the latter and turned into witches.[142]

 

In Sweden the mother is called "Lady Sun." An old woman enters, propped on a cane, goes to Lady Sun's house and knocks. "Who is that knocking at my door?" "An old woman, halt and blind, asks the way to Lady Sun; is she at home?" "Yes." The old woman points out a child, and asks, "Dear Lady Sun, may I have a chicken?" She is refused at first, but by piteous entreaties obtains her wish, and returns, until all the "chickens" are carried off. "She was not so lame as she made believe," says Lady Sun, looking after her.

 

The antiquity of our game is sufficiently attested by the wide diffusion of many of its comparatively recent variations. We remark, further, that the idea of the child-eating demon, so prominently brought forward in our American versions, is a world-old nursery conception. The ancients were well acquainted with such feminine supernatural beings. "More fond of children than Gello," says Sappho, referring to an imaginary creature of the sort. The most ancient view of this passion for stealing children was, that it was prompted by the appetite. Tales of ogres and ogresses, who carried off and devoured young children, must have been as familiar in the Roman nursery as in our own.

 

The trait of limping, characteristic of "witches" in games, is equally ancient. That such demons are defective in one foot is expressed by the ancient Greek name "Empusa" (literally One-foot), to whom was attributed an ass's hoof, a representation which contributed to the mediƦval idea of the devil. A child's game, in which a boy, armed with a knotted handkerchief, pursues his comrades, hopping on one foot, is known in France as "The Limping Devil."[143] This game existed also in ancient Greece.

 

The reanimation and recovery of the children, with which the American performance closes, is a familiar trait of ancient nursery tales.”

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Examples Of "Old Mother Grey" Children's Chasing Game (From England, The Caribbean, & The United States)

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post presents the complete reprint (three comments as of August 10, 2026) of the  discussion thread that I started in May 2005 on the online Mudcat Folk Music Forum about
 the English language children's chasing game "Old Mother Gray". That game is also called  "Old Mother Grey" and similar titles.

This post also presents an AI Overview of the "Old Mother Grey" game that is the result of my query on August 10, 2026.

In addition, this pancocojams post presents the complete reprint of a  kodalycollection.org page about the game  "Old Mother Gray".

The content of this post is presented for folkloric and recreational purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown creators of these rhymes and games. Thanks to the collectors of this game and thanks to all those who are quoted in this pancocojams post.
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Click these links for closely related pancocojams posts:

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Information & Examples Of The "Old Witch Game" From William Wells Newell's 1884 Collection Of American Children's Songs And Rhymes"

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A 
REPRINT OF MUDCAT DISCUSSION THREAD ABOUT "OLD MOTHER GREY" CHASING GAME (May 9, 2005 -August 9, 2026) 

https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=81014&messages=3

Subject: ADD: Game song: Old Mother Grey

From: Azizi

Date: 09 May 05 - 10:17 AM

"In my research on continuity and change in children's rhymes I learned about this very old British children's game song:

 

OLD MOTHER GREY

 

Old Mother Grey, may we go out to play?

Mother Gray: 'No, it's raining'.

Children: "No, it isn't, the sun is shining

Mother Grey: "All right, you may go out to play'.

 

[The children rush off, and play around, perhaps moving out of sight.]

 

Old Mother Grey calls: "Children, it's dinner time!"

Children: 'Coming mother.'

Mother: 'Where have you been?'

Children: 'We've been to London to see the Queen.'

Mother: 'What did she give you?'

Children: 'A loaf of bread as big our head, a piece if cheese as big as our knees, a lump of jelly as big as our belly, and a teeny weeny six pence."

Mother: "Where's my share?

Children: 'Up in the air.'

Mother; 'How shall I get it?'

Children; 'Stand on a chair.

Mother; 'And if I fall?'

Children all laugh and shout out: "We don't care."

 

[Old Mother Grey runs after them, and whoever she catches becomes the next 'Mother'.]

 

Source: Source: Iona and Peter Opie: "Children's Games in Street and Playground"; [Oxford, Clarendon Press, 1969; pp. 307-308

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Here's a variant from the Caribbean:

WE DON'T CARE

Children, children

Yes, Mama.                

Where yo' been to?

Granmama.

What she give yo'?

Two apples.

Where yo' put them?

On the shelf.

How will yo' get them?

Stand on a chair.

 

[As the "children" answer "Mama" they creep closer and closer to her until finally "Mama" turns and chases them"].

Source: Grace Hallworth: "Down By The River: Afro-Caribbean Rhymes, Games and Songs for Children" [New York Scholastic Inc, 1996]

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I also have heard this variant from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania {1998}:

CHILDREN CHILDREN

Children, Children

Yes, Teacher.

Where have you been?

To Grandmom's.

What did she give you?

Bread and cheese.

Where's my share?

Up in the air.

How can I reach it?

Stand on the chair.

Suppose I fall?

We don't care.

Ha, Ha, Ha. Class is dismissed.

London Bridge is falling down,    {Sing the "London Bridge" tune}alling down falling down,

London Bridge is falling down.

 

Back to detention. {Teacher's voice}

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And two days ago I found a variant of this rhyme called "Club Fist" in a book that Hallowfox sent me {Thanks, Hallowfox}!!

CLUB FOOT

Call:                What you got there?

Response        Club fist

Call                Where's my share?

Response        Rat's got it.

Call                Where's the rat?

Response        Cat's got it.

Call                Where's the cat?

Response        Rope hung him.

Call                Where's the rope?

Response        Fire burnt it.

Call                Where's the fire?

Response        Water quenched it.

Call                Where's the water

Response        Ox drunk it.

Call                Where's the ox?

Response        Dead and buried by the old church steeple,

                      And whoever cracks a smile will get a hard pinch

 

[anyone who laughs gets pinched]

 

Source: "Did You Feed My Cow?", Margaret Taylor Burroughs

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I'm wondering if any of these game songs are familiar to anyone or if you know of any game songs that are similar to them.

Thanks."
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August 10, 2026- Read my recollections in the comment section of this pancocojams post about the "We Don't Care" example of this game that I heard in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in 1998.  

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Subject: RE: Game song: Old Mother Grey

From: GUEST

Date: 09 Aug 26 - 09:44 AM

"Grandma Gray, can we go out to play know my children, not today, we won't get our clothes dirty, take 3 little legs and go to play my children, my children. I call you, we can't hear you my children, my children, I call you. We can if I get my coat, Will you come? No, if I get my hat with you, come no, if I get my switch, Will you come no"

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Subject: RE: Game song: Old Mother Grey

From: Robert B. Waltz

Date: 09 Aug 26 - 11:11 AM

"Roud #12730. Often "Granny Gray" or "Grandmother Gray"; sometimes "Mother May I Go Out to Play." Known from all parts of the British Isles, Ireland, and the United States. The Ballad Index titles is "Grandmother Gray," but the TBI has nothing on this song beyond what is in the Roud Index.

https://kodalycollection.org/song.cfm?id=1237&title=Old%20Mother%20Gray"

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AI Overview

" "Old Mother Grey" (sometimes spelled Gray) is an old traditional British children's playground game and dialogue song where children ask to go out to play, return from "London to see the Queen," share a rhyming exchange about dinner time, and end with a tag game chase.


How the Game is Played

The Request: Children ask, "Old Mother Grey, may we go out to play?"

The Weather Debate: Mother Grey says it is raining; the children claim the sun is shining until she lets them go.

Dinner Time: Mother Grey calls out that it is dinner time.

The Dialogue: Children recite a cumulative rhyming dialogue ("We've been to London to see the Queen..." giving absurd sizes of bread, cheese, and jelly).

The Chase: When Mother Grey asks for her share ("Up in the air... stand on a chair"), the children yell "We don't care!" and run. Mother Grey chases them, and whoever she catches becomes the next "Mother".

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REPRINT FROM KODALY COLLECTION ORG. SONG "OLD MOTHER GRAY" 

https://kodalycollection.org/song.cfm?id=1237&title=Old%20Mother%20Gray

"OLD MOTHER GRAY

Source -Library of Congress AFS 3635 B4

Collected by Herbert Halpert"


[Lyrics from sheet music]

"Old Mother Gray can we go out to play?

I won’t go near the riverside to chase the geese away.

-Transcribed by Gail Needleman


Suggested game directions:

Formation: Children stand in a line and face a child chosen to be “Old Mother Gray”

Action: Children sing the song two or three times, and the mother responds with spoken answers (no, not yet, maybe, not today).  On the next repetition, the mother responds “yes!” The children “run” towards the mother’s side as she tags (or catches) one of the children. The child caught becomes the new “Old Mother Gray” who now stands on the other side and the game repeats.”…
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This page continues with a section called “Rhyme Analysis” and a section called "Rhythm Set”.

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