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Sunday, January 25, 2026

The Tik Tok Creator Of The "Dr Pepper Baby" Jingle And Some Vernacular English comments About That Jingle (January 2026)


@WhoJavaX, Jan 21, 2026

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post showcases a television news segment about the viral "Dr. Pepper Baby" jingle that a young African American woman created on Tik Tok which quickly went viral and was picked up by the Dr. Pepper corporation.

This post also features examples of vernacular English comments about this story that were published in the YouTube discussion thread for that video.

I'm particularly interested the African American Vernacular English examples of these comments, although I haven't differentiated those comments from the other vernacular English comments.

I'm also interested in documenting the continued use of the word "cool" to mean "awesome". 

(This post doesn't include any definitions except for this meaning of the vernacular word "cool".)
 

The content of this post is presented for linguistic and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners/

Thanks to Romeo, the creator of this Dr. pepper jingle and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publishers of these showcase YouTube videos. 

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THE DISCUSSION THREAD FOR SHOWCASE VIDEO #1
All of these comments are from January 21-January 25, 2026. Numbers are added for referencing purposes only. 

https://youtube.com/shorts/-Y1w52sd28k?si=pRi458m459D99oxr

1. @TheBroncoKiller
"This feels like old internet and I’m here for it"

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2. @shea1219
"She killed it!"

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3. @donnah5378
"Cool 😎"

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4. @robbietuna2902
"No they didn’t"

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5. @theloveandshareplace
"This made my day! I love when a talented unknown person goes viral and gets a big payment overnight! LOVE IT ❤️"

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SHOWCASE VIDEO #2 -


13News Now, Jan 21, 2026

Trending this afternoon: a TikTok creator is making big money after a viral jingle caught national attention. The jingle, created for Dr Pepper, is taking center stage online. ABC’s Hanna Battah has the full story.
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Here are some comments from this video's discussion thread. 

All of these comments are from January 21-January 25, 2026.

Numbers are added for referencing purposes only. 

(Note that a few of these comments don't include vernacular words and phrases, but are included for historical and socio-cultural purposes only.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KecLAN8FB4

1. @robsmusic922
"Sitting here with a huge smile on my face. Good for her for having the talent and ingenuity to put herself out there and good for Dr. Pepper for picking up that ball and running with it! I wish her much success."

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2. @TK-dr2yf
"The power of TikTok😎πŸ’ͺ🏾…. Congrats to her πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸ™πŸ½πŸŽˆ"

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3. @cindymavis5192
"I miss the jingle's from past marketing. Oscar Meyer, had great ones,"

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4. @phillipaebailey7545
"im goin to get a dr pepper asap".

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5. @Jane-yr2cg
"This is awesome!

I’m a diehard Dr Pepper fan!

It has always been my number one top drink!πŸ₯€

Now I can’t stop singing that jingle!!"

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6. 
@mollyram2997
"I love the VitaCoco jingle tooo aghhhhh! I love this so much 😭🩡😎They’re so good(and nice doodledooπŸ˜…)"

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7. @lynnelliott9038
"Its the, do do do do, and the ba doomp boomps for me! I'm so happy that people can get out here and find their moments!"

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8. @AdamIshak01
"I love her old school version more than the electric one Dr. Pepper used"

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9. @PaintAndParent
"I literally bought one because I couldn’t get it out my head πŸ˜…"

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10. @Ruthie-41
"I hope she doesn’t sell her rights away because it’s devils out there that might swindle her."

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11. @rajabcroswell9020
"That's my concern. She needs a good lawyer. I just hope she doesn't see a bunch of zeros and loses out on what she's really due. These corporations are crooked."

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12. @frankcastle3971
"That is so freaking cool so happy that she got her recognition for her jingle. Take the cash young lady and hopefully many more good things are coming your way."

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13. @juanitasmith3320
"I’m happy for you baby girl"

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14. @nicoletrudell2065
"I never heard this before but it's stuck in my head now. As someone who usually can't remember the product of the commercial I just watched, I am gonna remember that Dr. Pepper is good and nice and that I want some. I don't think you can get more effective advertising than that!"

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15. @renderuntocaesarwhatiscaes2300
"When I heard my local news talking about that jingle I said omg it harkens back to the 90’s it feels good I know management fell in love right away. As a kid who grew up watching those Ray Charles Dr Pepper commercials it made me feel instant nostalgic she’s a star. That was literally perfect for that company."

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16. @finefeatheredfriend9240
"Ride that train girl!! Ride it till the wheels fall off!!!!  πŸ˜‚"

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17. @lisafan6365
"I was expecting something ground breaking lol... meh"

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18. @GKidTheGreat
"Lmao so cool"

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19. @vt-yp7yq
"Congratulations sister!"

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20. @thelonestepper0720
"I see you, ma'am! πŸ‘πŸΏπŸ‘πŸΏπŸ‘πŸΏ"

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21. @lakeshacortesramirez604
"It ain't over til Baby mamaπŸ˜…
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️sing"

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22. @Snake_DoCC
"Yall messing with me right?"

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23. @ex2seee
"can only be pressed we didn’t do it first πŸ˜‚"

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24. @Snake_DoCC
"Lol​ @ex2seee"

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25. 
@shellbell7702
"On my way getting me a Dr Pepper now"

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26. 
@gloriawilson4691
"GOOD FOR HER...I grew during the time when commercial jingles were the way to sell products...My favorite was the Oscar Meyer BOLOGNA commercial..🀭🀭🀭🀭"

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27. @LoyalLove3
"Its great seeing ppl get their BIG W😊😊"

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28. 
@northshorelight35
"That VitaCoco jingle though."

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29. @upittman1
"I love it.  So simple and sweet, just like Dr. Pepper - Call me!"

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30. @Nas-qs
"Internet culture seems to have big influence in America"

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31. @tclanjtopsom4846
"πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ seriously, they pay for that πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚"

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32. 
@jenise9247299
"This is what im talking about πŸͺ¬πŸ«ΆπŸΎ….i love this for her, You Go Girl✊🏾🀎"

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33. 
@nursepatience8876
"She’s not wrong, I divorced sprite for Dr. Pepper"

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34. @JamilaCrockett
"YAY:) I am so happy for her!"

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35. 
@thomasrobinson5055
"That's cool happy for her"

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36. 
@timothyslaughter476
"I NEVER GOT THE HYPE OF "WHERES THE BEEF" EITHER. WHERE'S HAUK TAUA GIRL BEEN AT LATELY???"

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37. 
@Ulises209campos
"Subway: do me do me πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ i love this for romeo 
❤️"


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38. @StormTheSky-i9h
"Get that money girl,I love Dr Pepper."

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39. @BasicTruth-j3e
"AMEN AND BLESSNGS TO HER!!"

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40. @depresebady9495
"BIG UPS AND CONGRATULATIONS YOUNG LADY πŸ™πŸ½❤️πŸ™ŒπŸ½"

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41. @non-kh7tm
"Success can happen anytime anywhere"

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42. @pegbars
" "It's good and nice?!"  Maybe a slogan for the 1920s... not the 21st century.  Lame."

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43. @warmcozy
"I love this for her. πŸŽ‰"

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44. @NukeyAllen
"I want a Dr Pepper now. πŸ˜‚"

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45. @Lamar-ok5sl
"Hey good for her! Make that money young lady!"

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46. @mrfixit705
"Dr pepper hits different 
❤️"


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47. @kati-ana
"Good for her!!! I like me a good cold Dr. Pepper. I approve."

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48.@Aqueenia4aguilar
"πŸ˜‚πŸ€£ lol thats cool though doodoodoo"

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49. @MatJustChillin
"THATS SO DOPE"

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50. @TheRealMcCoy88
"So what's the deal she worked out with them? They better of paid her millions"

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51. @Iamdmgartrell
"I love this for her 
❤️"


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52. @777_LORDGOD
"GET IT BABY!"

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53. @celestebell9992
"Good for you Sis!!!"

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54. @godfirst6546
"She better get paid!!!"

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55. @mzflower5
"Get your coins sista!!!"

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56. @leviblackwell8399
"CONGRATS!! 
❤️❤️❤️"


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57. @kkw-pal1178
"Amen πŸ™ŒπŸΎ 
❤️"


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58. @Leah-ul1lc
"Wow that's what's up..
❤️❤️❤️"

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59. 
@Heqet_1
"Yassssssss.  Get it Baby.  Get it!!!!!!!!"

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60. @Razr-n2e
"Is this 1996 or something? "Is good and nice?" OMG, so talented!! Any 3 year old could of come up with that plus with AI nowadays ?"

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61.@ElliotAlderson-cg2qk
"That jingle is meh"

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62. @mofra9952
"…anything goes viral …."

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63. @daves2058
"The I'm a Pepper song with David Naughton was far better,  definitely more catchy,  and higher quality."

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64. @JustKathleen3
"I’m sure we’re being tested to see how gullible we are and what bandwagons we’ll jump on so we can be further controlled and manipulated.  What is this?  Lowered standards?   It ain’t no Motown!"

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65. 
@Rock_K9
"I’m lovin it"

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66. @phrmoses1369
"Get it gurl"

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67. @jonathansallade4954
"You betta WerQ........."

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68. @akahee22
"Gotta love it"

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69. @Ahsao
"That’s what I’m talking about! It’s good & nice! Doo doo doot!"

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70. @FmTrini
"Good for her I hope she gets all that she deserves because you know these big corps would rather just steal your creativity and ghost you πŸ˜‚"

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71. @karenmeer2320
"So cute!"

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72. @Yo-yo-dt5ze
"Ctfu people are funny asf now all of a sudden yall running out to buy Dr Pepper because of a jingle I tell you people do the most.πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ I’m not hating either."

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73. @ki58sm
"Not me cause I can’t stand the taste and a jingle won’t change that lol 😭"

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74. @Yo-yo-dt5ze
"⁠it taste like medicine nasty ash"

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75. @donnaindigo
"Oh, please stop paying for foolishness, people. So what if it went viral, ain't nobody running to buy dr pepper. How about spending that money on housing for homeless people? Okay, if you wanna use her voice, which ain't all that for a commercial, pay her some money, but not millions, that's just ridiculous."

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76. @OperationChicago
"Good job girl"

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77. @Angelica.227
"She deserves all the credits and money for sure
❤️❤️❤️ but dr. Pepper or any kind of soda pops are not good for you."


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78. @thenotoriousgryyn342
"Cool"

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79. @scottyWinsVegas
"Trash it will be gone in 2 months"

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80. @tclanjtopsom4846
"Americans are frkn crazy. πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚"

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81. @MoonYazo
"How much did she make?"

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82. @nopetou
"She posted on TikTok that they paid her 2 million dollars to license it."

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83. 
@drumline1303
"….. it’s so cringy…."

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84.@ivar4652
"Creativity is our forte"

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85.@WhiteWolfBlackStar
"Heck yeah Romeo + Dr. Pepper!  That tune is a whole vibe.  Watch MAD MEN, it’s a catchy tune, you’re very good at conveying your vibe! AND GETTING PAID!  Yep!  You won πŸ† Congrats!"

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86.@NotYoung3592
"Seriously??"

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87. 
@CEO94-s8d
"That so dam stupid"

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88. @Mouserjan0222
"oh good grief bleh"

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89. @louis1443
"So nice πŸ‘πŸ½"

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90. @boombasett6038
"AWESOME FOR HER. But I hate that soda. Yuck !"

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91. @Dearyounglady
"Go off sis! 
❤️πŸŽ‰"


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92. @Rock_K9
"I’m lovin it"

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93. @TheGhostOfTheSip601
"Do yo thang"

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94. @prettybrowneyez
"Great for her. I live me some diet dr pepper or the zero sugar one. Tastes good 
❤️❤️❤️"


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95. @JoshPhoenix11
"If Dr Pepper were really smart they'd secure a exclusivity deal with her so they can keep a continuity with her sound and style, and prevent other companies using her and sounding the same. Because from how that second jingle sounded its quite recognizable that its her.

These company's are all going to sound the same if she does their jingles."

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96. @RyanParsons-bq6qe
"This generation is so dumb."

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97. @tabotabster1770
"I hope they didnt low ball her."

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98. @juandeleon1665
"I hope Dr Pepper cut her a big check"

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99. @LunaGloom27
"Heck yesssss, woman!
❤️"

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100. @Acbr78
"The American Dream"

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101. @illerthanu7825
"Shout out to doctor pepper doing the right thing"

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102. @BeautyLove-w9f
"God bless her!  I love this for her and her life.  I pray that she makes some smart moves to secure her future."

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103. @empress_luvb8661
"You go girl!"

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104. @JoshSmith-ff8dw
"Make some dumb jingle and you never have to struggle again. What a joke"

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105. @SistahK-id3fg
"Omg!!!!! Congratulations!!!!! πŸŽ‰
❤️"


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106. @spiderstomper-g2i
"Way to go! Its nice to see the little guy, or girl be really successful."

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107. @ClaytonPBrown
"Black folks can’t have shyt. Folks always trying copy… smh.."

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108. @dawnbrookman
"Love this <3 So happy for her!"

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109. @craigslist474
"Oooook... 😐

 So glad you've made it. πŸ‘"

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110. @cateL210
"Go ahead girl! Love it!!"

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111. @windsorrain6340
"That's catchy af"

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112. @Bmt4l2t
"Good for her, make that cash."

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113. @Harlem1k
"She hit the jackpot πŸ’΅ "

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114. 
@KrystalKoveHere
"Talkin’ about gettingπŸ™πŸ½blessed!! W😍W, you go “niece”!!"

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115. @anonymousanonymous6903
"Congratulations you did that"

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116. @NajaRants
"I love this for her
❤️πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰"


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117. @srvsrv8584
"Dr. Pepper saying "wait, you're on to something", is the lamest response. Dr. Pepper hasn't had a good jingle probably in decades or maybe neverπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚"

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118. @SaraSmiiiiiile
"Hit "em with 🎡 boo da boop 🎡  love this for her! Meanwhile, my creative juices must be frozen. πŸ˜„"

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119. @charityscreams5366
"Super cute story! Great job girly!!"

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120. @TheDealersCode
"Good and nice lol"

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121. @majormediaproductions
"This made me smile, happy for her :)"

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122. @sarawashington5485
"GOOD FOR YOU GIRL!!! WELL DONE QUEEN 🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾"

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123. @misskelly9184
"Yay!! πŸ₯³ good for her 
❤️❤️ and she was just having fun and not being cringey. She deserves it. Thank you Dr. pepper, my dad’s only soda. I will be buying more Dr. pepper for you all being able to change her life. What a humble story."


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124. @dcthomas8959
"It’s catchy, old school, I like it."

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125. @zzumba1
"I'm so happy for her. Simple and straightforward. It's good and nice 😊 the best slogans are short. I'm lovin it. Just do it. They're great!"

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126. @Handfulofhandsomeness
"I dig this!"

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127. @mstanley97
"Sounds old school jingle! Love it!"

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128. @esoterickrishna1
"It's super catchy! Good on her!"

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129. @bigmikecvn71
"That's what I'm talking about! I don't know her, but I'm so proud of her."

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130. @kaige3481
"I love this story!! How awesome for her. I hope her and her family are set for life."

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131. @LLJobean
"Love this for her, it's so awesome!! Came to her in a dream and it became reality!! 
❤️πŸŽ‰"


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132. @jimmercer2581
"As we say, down here in Texas.... Bless Her Heart  !"

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133. @TrendingintheWorldToday
"Good for you, girl. Keep it going and don't forget to pay it forward!"

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134. @meekmeek8198
"Amen! Happy for her"

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135. @richarde3378
"You go, gurl! 🀩"

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136. @pfv1247
"Really great jingle. Right to the product point, easy to remember and anyone can sing along to it. She's got talent!!"

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137. @manestage5403
"Soooo happy for her!!
❤️❤️❤️

That WAS quick. 

Everybody’s about to make up jingles now.  Their jingles are about to have jingles.πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Enjoy yourself, girl!❤️❤️❤️"

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138. 
@IrenaTheVampress
"Just comes to show you when it’s your time, it’s your time. Lol congrats to her. I’m sure that bank account is looking good and nice. πŸ˜‚"

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139. @mariposa4902
"I am so glad that this is an ACTUAL person and not AI! Yeah! Congratulations to her!! How wonderful!!"

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140. @beththompson2188
"Good for her! And her little catch phrases at the end “ba dah bump”  are going to be her signature 😊"

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141. 
@Matron_of_Metal
"Good for her! That is sooo cool!"

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142. @mzkittym.5450
"I love that throw back vibe, reminds me of when I was a kid. πŸ₯°"

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143. @cherrelle40
"You go girl! πŸŽ‰ Get that check! πŸ’° πŸ€‘"

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144. @shannonrobinson6766
"This made me happy. We are going back to jingles and simpler times 
❤️"

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145. @AlbertC-u3l
"She got it😳 .. I remember this everybody was singing it.  Congrats young lady."

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146. @soulchorea
"that second jingle at the end was even better; had me rolling 🀣 aw, good for her. Also, she might have low key brought back jingles to the mainstream"

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147. 
@Wildflowersixties
"Jingles are how we used to remember products.  Now day. I don’t even know what the commercials are about.  Back in the day, babies and kids would actually stop whatever they were doing to watch a commercial.  So bring it on sweet lady!"

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148. @LexTVi
"Yes! Bring back the jingles! Kudos to her πŸŽ‰
❤️"

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149. @GIRLSDAD24
"Coca Cola is hating life right now smh"

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150. @savado
"National attention? More like international!"

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151. @Whatever-x7p
"Yep, currently watching from Senegal"

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152. @Wonkie6060
"The jingle stuck in my head"

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153. @OG_Beckie_Leigh
"I’m so happy to see some good news for a change! Congratulations and best wishes for continued success. πŸ’™πŸ’™πŸ’™"

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154.  @latoyabryant5979
"Congratulations πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰ that's good and niceπŸ˜…"

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155. @francinemorin951
"...boo-doomp-boomp πŸ˜„"

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Tuesday, September 15, 2020

Trump Used The Word "Up-Played" In His Sept. 15, 2020 Town Hall. Is Up-Play" A Real Word And, If So, What Does It Mean?

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post focuses on the word "up-played" that United States President Donald Trump included in a response to a question he was asked at his September 15, 2020 Town Hall Meeting. 

The content of this post is presented for linguistic and political purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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INFORMATION ABOUT THE STATEMENT THAT TRUMP MADE THAT INCLUDES THE WORD "UP-PLAYED"
From https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/9/15/1977743/--I-up-played-it-In-ABC-town-hall-Trump-denies-minimizing-pandemic-threat 'I up-played it'....In ABC town hall, Trump denies minimizing pandemic threat #TrumpLied200KDied

Annieli,  September 15, 2020 · 9:00 PM EDT

[…]

Asked Tuesday by an uncommitted voter at ABC News' town hall, "The President and the People," why he would "downplay a pandemic that is known to disproportionately harm low-income families and minority communities," Trump denied ever understating the disease's threat.

[…]

"Yeah, well, I didn't downplay it. I actually, in many ways, I up-played it, in terms of action. My action was very strong," Trump said.

As evidence of his claim that he "up-played" the disease "in terms of action," Trump cited a pair of travel bans imposed against China and Europe in February and March. But pressed by ABC News Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos, who moderated the town hall, about "his own words" about the pandemic threat, Trump said, "We did a very, very good job when we put that ban on."
 abcnews.go.com/...” …
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The African American woman asking that question then interjected, "Didn’t you admit it yourself?”
Here's a comment from the discussion thread of that dailykos article:
greenandblue, Sep 15, 2020 at 09:28:52 PM
"Trump played up playing up of a couple of travel restrictions. He doesn’t compare any outcome stats the US failed at and attacks those that do, including better proven public health experts and info, That’s his idea of playing, so in his mind, he isn’t lying, and those dead aren’t him or the markets anyway".
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Click https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TrumpTownHall for tweets and video clips about that Town Hall (including that particular question and Trump's response.)

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IS "UP-PLAY" A REAL WORD AND, IF SO, WHAT DOES IT MEAN?
To my surprise "up-play" may actually be a real word, or, at least it's found on urbandictionary.com, a website that presents definitions of (mostly) English vernacular words."

Here's that definition from 
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=up-play
"up-play
To exaxagerrate, or otherwise faliciously enhance, the expression of a particular emotion.
I seriously hate techno dance parties... I think I'll up-play how tired I am from work."
by vrobert May 23, 2009
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This is the only Google Search result that I received for the word "up-play": 

I assume that Trump didn't mean that definition when he said that "
in many ways, I up-played it, in terms of action..."
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I think that Trump may have meant the term "played up". This is the term that I got from Google Search when I entered the words "up-play". However, if Trump meant that he "played up" the actions he took to counter this pandemic,  most of the definitions of "played up" are still quite problematic. Even if Trump meant the positive definition of "played up" that is given in Excerpt #2 "
f you play up something, you emphasize it and try to make people believe that it is important", that doesn't fit what Trump did and is doing with regard to the Covid-19 pandemic.

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DEFINITIONS OF "PLAYED UP"
The three dictionary sources that quoted are given in no particular order. Numbers are added for referencing purpose only.

Excerpt #1
From 
https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/play-up
"play up
PHRASAL VERB

DEFINITIONS: 2
1
TRANSITIVE to try to persuade people to believe that something is more important than it is
The newspapers have really played up the low voter turnout.

Synonyms and related words
To exaggerate and overstate
aggrandise
aggrandize
exaggerate

2.
INTRANSITIVE/TRANSITIVE to cause difficulties or pain for someone
The printer’s playing up again.
My back’s been playing me up all day."

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Excerpt #2   
If you play up something, you emphasize it and try to make people believe that it is important.
The media played up the prospects for a settlement.

play up
in American English
US
Informal
to give prominence to
See full dictionary entry for play
Webster’s New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition. Copyright © 2010 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. All rights reserved.
   
play up
in British English
VERB (adverb)
1. (transitive)
to emphasize or highlight
to play up one's best features

2.  British informal
to behave irritatingly (towards)

3. (intransitive) British informal
(of a machine, car, etc) to function erratically
the car is playing up again

4.  British informal
to hurt; give (one) pain or trouble
my back's playing me up again

5.  play up to
Collins English Dictionary. Copyright © HarperCollins Publishers"...

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DEFINITION OF "DOWN PLAY"
The young African American woman who asked the question at that Town Hall which prompted Trump to respond with the (probably misspoken) word "up-play" instead of "play up") used the word "down play" in their question to Trump.

Here's a definition of that word from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/downplay
"Definition of downplay
transitive verb

Examples of downplay in a Sentence
 Athletes often downplay their injuries.
 he self-deprecatingly downplays his own contributions to the festival's success
Recent Examples on the Web

White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Trump wasn’t trying to downplay the virus’ impact, but was encouraged by the drop in fatality rates and other positive news.
— Greg Bishop, Washington Examiner, "State officials adjust COVID-19 fatality numbers as they learn more about each death," 1 Sep. 2020

The point is not to downplay the risks of alcohol use.
— Star Tribune, "In this weary world of woe, couldn't we at least have a second drink?," 24 Aug. 2020

These example sentences are selected automatically from various online news sources to reflect current usage of the word 'downplay.' Views expressed in the examples do not represent the opinion of Merriam-Webster or its editors.

[…]

First Known Use of downplay
1948, in the meaning defined above

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In conclusion, the point is not to downplay the importance of the United States' November 2, 2020 election for President and for may other elected offices.

Hopefully, on November 4th, 2020 or soon afterwards, the United States would have elected Joe Biden and we won't have to worry about made up words, or accidentally or purposely misused words such as "up-play".

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UPDATE: September 16, 2020
In that same September 15, 2020 Town Hall, Trump indicated that the pandemic would go away because of "herd mentality". Trump probably meant "herd immunity". This is a serious matter and much more disastrous than his misspoken word "up-play".

You’ll develop like a herd mentality,” Trump explained. “It’s gonna be herd-developed and that’s gonna happen.”

[...]

Herd mentality is defined by Merriam-Webster as “the tendency of the people in a group to think and behave in ways that conform with others in the group rather than as individuals.”

Herd immunity is when enough people are immune to a virus that it’s no longer able to effectively spread. It can happen either from a vaccine or from so many people getting sick that the virus runs out of people to infect.

Last month, The Washington Post estimated that a herd immunity strategy without a vaccine would lead to nearly 3 million deaths in the United States. 

Twitter users were stunned by both Trump’s inability to tell the difference as well as the idea that the president may be entertaining herd immunity as a public health strategy"... https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-herd-mentality_n_5f618e1ac5b6e27db134a42b Trump’s Bonkers Coronavirus ‘Herd Mentality’ Claim Lights Up Twitter The president’s wild night at a town hall took an unexpected turn. by Ed Mazza, September 16, 2020

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Sunday, May 21, 2017

Three Examples Of Lyrics For The Calypso Song "Stone Cold Dead In De Market" (also known as "He Had It Coming To Him" & Dead In De Market") with information, comments, & four selected YouTube examples

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams provides three versions of lyrics for the Calypso song "Murder In De Market" (also known as He Had It Coming To Him" and "Stone Cold Dead In The Market".

Information and comments about this song are included in this post along with four YouTube examples of this song performed by Gracie Barrie (1940s); Ella Fitzgerald/Louis Jordan (1946); Harry Belafonte and The Islanders (1960s), and Lorna Myers; 2010?).

In addition to presenting these lyrics and information, I'm also highlighting the use of the term "stone cold" in these songs.

The content of this post is presented for linguistic, cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes. purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Lord Invader for composing and performing this song and thanks to the other Calypsonians for their adaptations of this song. Thanks also to Houdini and other singers for their renditions of these songs. In addition, thanks to members of the Mudcat online folk music discussion forum who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publishers of these examples on YouTube.

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This post serves as a companion to this January 31, 2017pancocojams post: https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/01/what-susan-rice-meant-by-term-stone.html
What Susan Rice Meant by The Term "Stone Crazy" In Her Tweet About Trump's National Security Council & Other Comments About The Vernacular Use Of The Word "Stone"

That post quotes this entry from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stone%E2%80%93cold:
"Definition of stone–cold: absolutely (stone–cold sober)

First Known Use of stone–cold: 1592

Definition of stone–cold for English Language Learners: completely or totally".
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While this post doesn't focus on the issues of spousal abuse and revenge murder, I recognize the significance of those issues in this song and in life itself.

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SONG LYRICS
These lyrics are given as Example #1, Example #2, and Example #3.

I believe that the composition that is given as Example #1 is older than the composition that is given as Example #2. However, I'm not sure about this.

Example #1:
LYRICS: MURDER IN DE MARKET
(Lord Invader, 1939?)

Murder in de Market, murder.
Murder in de Market, murder.
Murder in de market, murder.
Betsy Thomas, she kill Payne stone dead.

Murder in de market, murder.
Murder in de market, murder.
Murder in de market, murder.
Betsy Thomas, she kill Payne stone dead.

Payne dead, Payne dead, stone dead.
Payne dead, Payne dead, stone dead.
Payne dead, Payne dead, stone dead.

Betsy Thomas she kill Payne stone dead.
"oh, I ain't kill nobody but me husband.
Oh, I didn't kill nobody but me husband.
Oh, I didn't kill nobody but me husband.

Oh, I ain't kill nobody but me husband,
So I could face de judge independent!

Murder in de market, murder.
Murder in de market, murder.
Murder in de market, murder.
Betsy Thomas she kill Payne stone dead.

De big Grand Session is tomorrow,
De big Grand Session is tomorrow,
De big Grand Session is tomorrow,
Betsy Thomas she kill Payne stone dead.

She ain't kill nobody but she husband,
Oh, she didn't kill nobody but she husband,
Oh, she ain't kill nobody but she husband,
Betsy Thomas, she kill Payne stone dead.

Murder in de market, murder.
Murder in de market, murder.
Murder in de market, murder.
Betsy Thomas kill Payne stone dead.

"Pp. 34-36, musical score, notated for voice, guitar, drums and bass.
Edric Connor, Songs from Trinidad, 1958, Oxford University Press.

A version sung by Young Tiger, 1953, is on youtube.

Discussed in Louise Cramer,"Songs of West Indian Negroes in the Canal Zone." California Folklore Quarterly, vol. 5, no. 3, July, 1946. (JSTOR)
This article (not seen) is the basis for assigning the song to Barbados, and has the story behind the song. (It may have the date of the event).

Rewritten and revised as "Stone Cold Dead in the Market" by Wilmouth Houdini, a calypso singer, in 1939,* an adaptation of "He Had it Coming" (another title), it was a hit for Ella Fitzgerald, Belafonte and others. See thread 34020 for the Belafonte version as posted by Joe Offer.
http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=34020

Franklin Bruno, 2011, Popular Music and Society** vol. 34, issue 1, pp. 7-21.
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a933307712
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posted on Mudcat discussion thread http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=138235 by Q (Frank Staplin), 31 May 11 - 05:57 PM along with the following citation of locations: Barbados, Trinidad, Canal Zone of Panama"
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Pancocojams Editor: *According to the information given in Comment #3 of the Mudcat excerpt below, the information given in this sentence is incorrect. The corrected information is that Lord Invader composed and recorded this song is 1939 and Houdini, another Calypso singer (Calypsonian), recorded an adapted version of this song in 1946.

**This quote is given in this post after the Ella Fitzgerald/Louis Jordan sound file that is embedded below.

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Example #2
STONE COLD DEAD IN THE MARKET
"(Frederick Hendricks; aka Lord Invader) [Pancocojams Editor's note: This could be Wilmouth Houdini's 1946 adaptation]

"She: He's stone cold dead in de market,
He's stone cold dead in de market,
He's stone cold dead in de market,
I kill nobody but me husband.

He: Last night I went out drinking,
When I came home I gave her a beating;
So she cotch up up de rolling pin,
And went to work on my head 'til she boshed it in.

I lie cold dead in de market,
Stone cold dead in de market,
I lie cold dead in de market,
She kill nobody but her husband

She: I lick him with de pot and de frying pan,
I lick him with de pot and de frying pan,
I lick him with de pot and de frying pan,
And if I kill him, he had it coming.

He's stone cold dead in de market,
He's stone cold dead in de market,
He's stone cold dead in de market,
I kill nobody but me husband.

He: My family is swearing to kill her,
My family is swearing to kill her,
She: His family is swearing to kill me,
And if I kill him, he had it coming.
He's stone cold dead in de market,

He: He lie cold dead in de market,
Stone cold dead in de market,
He lie cold dead in de market,
She kill nobody but her husband

She: There's one thing that I am sure
He ain't going to beat me no more
So I tell you that I doesn't care
If I was to die in de 'lectric chair

He's stone cold dead in de market,
He's stone cold dead in de market,
He's stone cold dead in de market,
I kill nobody but me husband.

He: (spoken): Hey, child, I'm goming back and bosh you on the head one more time
.
She: (spoken): No, no, man, you can't do dat

He's stone cold dead in de market,
He's stone cold dead in de market,
The criminal is stone cold dead in de market,
I kill nobody but me husband.


This source says the song was written by Frederick Hendricks, Northern Music/ASC
AP
Recorded by Harry Belafonte
Transcribed from "Ella Fitzgerald, 75th Birthday Celebration" (Decca CD) (duet w
ith Louis Jordan)

Another source attributes it to Wilmoth Houdini, 1946."

Source: http://mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=9478

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Example #3:
LYRICS- MURDER IN THE MARKET
"As recorded by Young Tiger (George Browne) in 1953

Stone cold dead in de market,
Stone cold dead in de market,
Stone cold dead in de market,
Well, she killed nobody but she husband.

Yes, she hit him in de head wit' de fryin' pan,
She hit him in de head wit' de fryin' pan,
She hit him in de head wit' de fryin' pan,
And if she kill him, he had it comin'.

And so he's stone cold dead in de market,
Stone cold dead in de market,
Stone cold dead in de market,
Well, she killed nobody but she husband.

Last night he went out drinkin',
And den he came in and gave her a beatin' [not sure; recording has a glitch at this point]
So she picked up de rollin' pin,
And worked on his head till she bashed it in.

And now he's stone cold dead in de market,
Stone cold dead in de market,
Stone cold dead in de market,
Well, she killed nobody but she husband.

Now his family is swearin' to kill her,
His family is swearin' to kill her,
His family is swearin' to kill her,
So if she kill him, he had it comin'.

And now he's stone cold dead in de market, mother! [or "murder"?]
Stone cold dead in de market,
Stone cold dead in de market,
Well, she killed nobody but she husband."
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*These lyrics were transcribed by Jim Dixon from the recording on YouTube and posted on Mudcat 04 Jun 11 - 08:46 AM http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=34020

Unfortunately, Young Tiger's sound file is no longer available on YouTube (as of the date of this pancocojams post, but probably earlier.)

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SELECTED COMMENTS ABOUT "MUrDER IN DE MARKET" (also known as "STONE COLD DEAD IN THE MARKET" & "HE HAD IT COMING TO HIM"

Pancocojams's Editor: These selected comments are given in chronological order based on their publishing date. They are numbered in this post for referencing purposes only. I encourage you to read the entire discussion thread which also includes biographical information for and comments about Lord Invader.

My explanatory comments are given in parenthesis.

From http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=34020
1. [This first comment refers to what this commenter alleges was an actual event that served as the story behind Lord Invader's song].

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Murder in de Market (Caribbean)
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 01 Jun 11 - 02:13 AM

"Q, Betsy Thomas' murder of Thomas Payne occurred in the 1870s."

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2. [This comment was written in response to Q's question about the citation of the 1870s date.]

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Murder in de Market (Caribbean)
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 01 Jun 11 - 05:48 PM

"i have the songbook "Folk Songs of Barbados" collected by Trevor Marshall, Peggy McGeary, and Grace Thompson. They include the song and its melody, unfortunately no accompaniment :( and the date of the events, stating that "Betsy Thomas, the common-law mate of one Thomas Payne, allegedly murdered him during a quarrel". There is a mention of the song in Trinidadian songbooks. What I find interesting is how distanced the folk version is from the events, compared with "Stone Cold Dead in The Market", which is from a first-person perspective, and is, in my opinion, one of the best songs about battered woman syndrome ever, done before battered woman syndrome was ever named or recognised. Also in the case of murder ballads based on true stories, how does a person find information on the actual incident? Because some American murder ballads seem to have a large proportion of people on this forum who have information about the real incident."

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3. [Q provides information about Lord Invader's composition of this song, including the original song title "He Had It Coming" and the composition date of 1939.]

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Murder in de Market (Caribbean)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Jun 11 - 03:29 PM

"(Houidini's) "Stone Cold Dead describes a murder in Port-of-Spain's Grass Market in 1939. He recorded it himself in 1939 (as "He Had it Coming) but it got no popularity until Songstress Fitzgerald unearthed it......"

Time Magazine, Music: King of Calypso, Aug. 26, 1946. Unsigned article about Wilmoth Houdini (Edgar Leon St.-Clair his real name).

The 1939 incident may have been an unintentional copycat murder?"

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The information given in comment #3 above corrects the information given in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Cold_Dead_in_the_Market_(He_Had_It_Coming) about this song:
" "Stone Cold Dead in the Market (He Had It Coming)" is a 1946 song with lyrics and music by Wilmoth Houdini, a Trinidad and Tobago musician who had moved to the United States. It was recorded by Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Jordan and His Tympany Five on Decca and later included in the Ella Fitzgerald album Ella and Her Fellas. The single was the first of five singles that Louis Jordan would take to the number-one spot on the R&B Juke Box chart.[1] The song also reached number seven on the U.S. pop chart.[2] The B-side of the single, "Petootie Pie," was also an R&B chart hit peaking at number three. This song received later notoriety in the 2010s with the 2011 release of L.A. Noire in which this song is featured."

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SHOWCASE EXAMPLES
Example #1 [Video]: STONE COLD DEAD IN THE MARKET (1940s)



silezukuk, Uploaded on Sep 24, 2009

Gracie Barrie [singer]

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Example #2: [Sound File] : Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Jordan - Stone Cold Dead In The Market (He Had It Coming)



FunkyChez's channel, Uploaded on Jan 14, 2009
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Here's a review of this song as mentioned earlier in this post:
From http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03007766.2011.539807
Altmetric Articles
“Stone Cold Dead in the Market”: Domestic Violence and Americanized Calypso"
Franklin Bruno
Pages 7-21 | Published online: 10 Feb 2011

"Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Jordan's recording of “Stone Cold Dead in the Market” was a major R&B and pop hit in 1946. In narrating a woman's murder of her abusive husband from a sympathetic first-person point of view, the recording's depiction of domestic violence raises the question of how it achieved mass popularity in a cultural milieu that discouraged frank discussion of this topic. This paper attempts to account for this popularity by tracing the musical and lyrical changes between the hit recording and its sources, the Caribbean folk ballad “Payne Dead”/“Murder in the Market” and calypso performer Wilmouth Houdini's 1939 adaptation “He Had It Coming,” and by arguing that Fitzgerald and Jordan's adoption of an exoticized West African accent, as well as their public personae, effectively produced a comic and ethnic “mask” from behind which the song's subject matter could be presented with relative frankness."

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Example #3 [Sound File] MURDER IN DE MARKET (Barbados) - Lorna Myers



angarseno, Uploaded on Aug 10, 2010

A Juilliard School graduate, Lorna Myers' opera and concert career spanned Europe, the USA, Mexico and the Caribbean...

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Example #4 [Sound File]: Lie Stone Dead In The Market by Harry Belafonte & Islanders on early 1960's Mono Celebrity LP.



lrh1966, Uploaded on Jan 9, 2012

Celebrity record album# UT 154. We usually think of the 1956 classic, "The Banana Boat Song", and its signature lyric "Day-O" when we hear the name "Harry Belafonte", but this "King of Calypso" had many other songs and albums as well, including this lp album titled: "An Evening Of Folk Songs & Calypso - With The Islanders". He broke away from "RCA Victor" for a bit to do this lp with the obscure label, "Celebrity". Not sure of exact recording date, but estimate it in the 1960 to 1963 frame of time.

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Tuesday, January 31, 2017

What Susan Rice Meant by The Term "Stone Crazy" In Her Tweet About Trump's National Security Council & Other Comments About The Vernacular Use Of The Word "Stone"

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post provides the vernacular meaning of the term "stone crazy" as used by United States former National Security Adviser & United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice in her January 29, 2017 tweet about President Donald Trump's changes to his National Security Council.

This post also includes information about the use of the vernacular word "stone", and dome of the vernacular meanings of the word "stone" followed by another adjective (such as "stone cold") or the word "stone: followed by a noun (such as "stone fox").

In addition, this post provides information about the vernacular word "stoned" and showcases the 1968 American Pop song "Stoned Soul Picnic".

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All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks for the publisher of the embedded Fifth Dimensions video.

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"STONE CRAZY"
I was motivated to write this post after reading the following article:
From http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-national-security-council_us_588e0ad6e4b08a14f7e687a4? Top Foreign Policy Officials Go After Trump For National Security Council Changes
This is stone cold crazy. After a week of crazy.
01/29/2017 11:29 am ET

..."In a presidential memo Saturday, Trump reorganized the National Security Council by removing the director of national intelligence and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from the principals committee, which is the meeting for the most senior national security officials. Under the previous two administrations, they had permanent seats. Instead, the DNI and Joint Chiefs chair will now get to be there only when what is being discussed is relevant to their “responsibilities and expertise.”

In their place will be Bannon, one of Trump’s closest advisers. Bannon previously served as chairman of Breitbart News, a publication that regularly airs white nationalist views.

Rice served as national security adviser and United Nations ambassador to President Barack Obama. Late Saturday night, she tweeted that what Trump is doing is “stone cold crazy.”

Susan Rice ✔ @AmbassadorRice
This is stone cold crazy. After a week of crazy. Who needs military advice or intell to make policy on ISIL, Syria, Afghanistan, DPRK? https://twitter.com/jrivera64/status/825606733246509056
2:52 AM - 29 Jan 2017”
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Italics added to highlight this sentence.

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WHAT "STONE CRAZY" MEANS IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT TWEET
"Stone crazy" means "completely" and/or "totally" crazy.

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"STONE"
From http://www.yourdictionary.com/stone
"SLANG complete, utter, thoroughgoing, etc.: a stone genius
completely, thoroughly, etc.: stone sober
adjective
Complete; utter. Often used in combination: a stone liar; stone-deaf.
adverb
Completely; utterly: stone cold; standing stone still.

(African American Vernacular) Used as an intensifier.
She is one stone fox."
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"Fox" (in the context of this expression) means an attractive, sexy woman.

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STONE FOX
From http://lyrics.wikia.com/wiki/James_Brown:Stone_Fox
Lyric Excerpt: James Brown "Stone Fox" 1967 [?]
"Your girl is fine as wine
Let me tell you bout my girl
She don't wear down the black rocks
'Coz she's a stone fox

There you are stone fox
You're mighty mighty sharp
When you walk you make me feel
Baby, you don't know what I see

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She's a stone, stone fox

She's a stone, stone fox
Hey, yeah, oh, ahh
Alright, there you go, stone fox
You know what you know
When you dance all night
When you prance all night
Stone, stone, stone?

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"STONE COLD"
From https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stone%E2%80%93cold
"Definition of stone–cold: absolutely (stone–cold sober)

First Known Use of stone–cold: 1592

Definition of stone–cold for English Language Learners: completely or totally"

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"STONED"
From "https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stoned https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stoned
"Definition of stoned
1. drunk
2. being under the influence of a drug (as marijuana) taken especially for pleasure : high

Examples of stoned in a sentence
He was stoned on pot.
They got stoned at the party."

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"STONED SOUL PICNIC"
In 2011 I published a pancocojams post entitled "The Changing Definitions Of "Soul Sister" http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2011/12/the-changing-definition-of-soul-sister.html. One example of the word "soul" that I gave in that post was The Fifth Dimension's 1968 song "Stoned Soul Picnic". However, when I wrote that post, I incorrectly gave the title of this Fifth Dimension song as "Stone Soul Picnic". And I suggested that a "stone soul picnic" was a really great picnic that was attended by Black folks (or mostly Black people), enjoying themselves with lots of "soul food", Black music & dance, and other types of entertainment.

But given that the title of that Laura Nyro song was "Stoned Soul Picnic" and not "Stone Soul Picnic", it's possible that the word "stoned" in that song has the meaning "being under the influence of a drug (as marijuana)" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stoned, i.e. being "high". Perhaps the title/lyrics "stoned soul picnic" was meant to [also?] suggest that lots of people at that soul picnic might be having a really good time because they were getting "stoned" ("high").

Note that the lyrics include the words "red yellow honey sasafrass & moonshine*"http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/the_5th_dimension/stoned_soul_picnic.html. But I wonder if Laura Nyro might have coined the term "stoned soul picnic" as a play on words of the term "stone cold".
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"sasafrass" is a flavor of tea (sweetened with red/yellow honey) and "moonshine" means liquor.

Here are a few comments from a YouTube discussion thread for that Fifth Dimensions recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgPGDRc7_kM which concluded that "Stoned Soul Picnic" was about people being "stoned":

11db11, 2014
"It's STONED Soul Picnic. They were HIGH at that picnic!
Come on man! How could you miss that? Google it!
Now , guess what Up, Up and Away means!"

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Charles Sedlacek, 2016
"sounds like they are singing about stoned people at a picnic. no better place to be. plenty of munchies."
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"munchies" = "snacks"

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zack waterman, 2016
"one of the happiest songs about ghanja smokin'"
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"ghanja" = "marijuana"

However, one commenter on that same video's discussion thread noted that there's an annual "Stone Soul Picnic" events in Maryland.
ARedrooster2fun, 2016
"Still going strong in Baltimore, MD [Maryland] the Stone Soul Picnic. I'm gonna make it to Druid Park 2017. These folk the Fifth Dimension still tour following winning many Grammys."
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There also is an annual Stone Soul Picnic in Memphis, Tennessee.
From http://wlok.com/common/page.php?pt=stonesoulpicnic&id=151
"The 42nd annual WLOK Stone Soul Picnic

The event will be on Saturday, September 3, 2016

at the Levitt Shell in Overton Park!"
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And there's a Stone Soul Picnic event in Richmond, Virginia
From http://kissrichmond.hellobeautiful.com/2817751/stone-soul-2016-artist-announcement/
"The 2016 Stone Soul Music & Food Festival is coming June 11, 2016 at the Classic Amphitheater at the Richmond International Raceway Complex. Performing LIVE includes artists such as Monica, Dru Hill, The Backyard Band, Tasha Cobbs, Canton Jones, T.I., Fabolous, Dreezy, Madeintyo, and MORE. Tickets available now at www.etix.com, Mama J’s and DTLR locations."
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The sponsors of these events may have mistaken the title/lyrics of the Fifth Dimensions song as "Stone Soul Picnic (as I did). Or those events' sponsors may have adapted the title/lyrics "Stoned Soul Picnic" to fit the vernacular meaning of the word "stone".

And perhaps, like me, some other commenters on that discussion thread may have thought that "Stone Soul Picnic" was the title and lyrics of that song:

J. Milton, 2016
"Stone Soul Classic music, love this one!!!:-)"

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Elias Torres, 2016
"cold beer nice day stone soul picnic feels good"

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Cherrell Boston, 2017
"Stone Soul Cook Out!"

Also, there's this comment:
Tammy Toon, 2015
"Remember Those Cookouts! Playing Spades! Just enjoying Life! With Friends and Family! Just Lovely right! 7/1/15.
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"Spades" is a card game that appears to be more widely played by African Americans than other Americans.

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Just for your aesthetic pleasure, here's a video of that song:
Fifth Dimension - Stoned Soul Picnic - Bubblerock Promo HD



danbanrock1, Published on Nov 28, 2013
Everybody get down to some "Stoned Soul Picnic"

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Tuesday, February 2, 2016

Comments About "Uptown Funk" From Two YouTube Discussion Thread Of The Time's "Jungle Love" Record

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II of a two part pancocojams series on comments from selected YouTube discussion threads about the song "Uptown Funk!" and two other Funk records - the Gap Band's "Oops Upside Your Head" and Morris Day & The Times' "Jungle Love".

Part II provides selected comments About "Uptown Funk" from two YouTube discussion threads of The Time's (also known as Morris Day And The Time's) 1984 record "Jungle Love". Some of these comments are about Uptown Funk allegedly "ripping off' the image of the Time's band itself if not the music of The Time's "Jungle Love" song and/or other Time's songs. Other commenters discuss the Time band and/or the "Jungle Love" song itself and/or in comparison with the musician/singer Prince and other Funk bands.

I'm particularly interested in documenting and sharing the use of African American Vernacular English that may be found in any of these comments.

Part II also includes and information about and a video of The Times and a video of their record "Jungle Love. Information about and a video of "Uptown Funk" are also included in this post.

Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/02/youtube-comments-about-record-uptown.html for Part I of this post. Part I provides information about the Gap Band about their record "Oops Upside Your Head". Information about the record "Uptown Funk" is also given in this post. One sound file and one video of "Oops Upside Your Head" and one video of "Uptown Funk" are also featured in this post.

Part I also provides selected comments about "Uptown Funk" from two YouTube discussion threads of the Gap Band's late 1979/early 1980 record "Oops Upside Your Head". .

Neither of these pancocojams posts include any comments from the featured YouTube discussion thread for the video "Uptown Funk".

The content of this post is presented for cultural and aesthetic purposes.

I believe that some YouTube discussion thread comments should be preserved, studied, and shared for educational and folkloric purposes alone or along with the YouTube sound files or videos that prompted them.

Some of the comments quoted in this post include those on the topic of Uptown Funk's use of the image and spirit -if not the actual music - of the Time's Jungle Love and/or other Time's music. Other comments are about the Time and other Funk Music groups, particularly Prince and the Revolution. I'm also interested in preserving and sharing examples of African American Vernacular English that are found in these YouTube discussion threads.

I recognize that other compilations of these YouTube discussion threads would probably be different than the one that I'm compiling and sharing.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who were associated with the performances of both the videos showcased in this post. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publishers of these video on YouTube.

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INFORMATION ABOUT MORRIS DAY AND THE TIMES
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Original_7ven
"The Original 7ven (also known as The Time as well as Morris Day and the Time) is an American musical group that was formed in Minneapolis in 1981. Their work has been a part of the formation of the 'Minneapolis sound', featuring a mix of soul music and dance music with funk, rock n roll, and more. Led by singer-songwriter Morris Day, the band members are close Prince associates, and the group is arguably the most successful artist who have worked with him, achieving particular popularity with R&B fans with tracks such as "Jerk Out" and "Jungle Love". Band members Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis are also long-time collaborators with Janet Jackson, producing all of her most successful albums."
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Because there are a number of comments below about the musician and singer Prince, his band Revolution, and the movie Purple Rain, I've also included this information and these links:
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_(musician)
Prince Rogers Nelson (born June 7, 1958), known by his mononym Prince, is an American singer-songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, and actor, and has been a major figure in popular music for over three decades. Prince is renowned as an innovator and is widely known for his eclectic work, flamboyant stage presence, and wide vocal range. He is widely regarded as the pioneer of Minneapolis sound. His music combines rock, R&B, soul, funk, hip hop, disco, psychedelia, jazz, and pop"...
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Also, click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revolution_(band) for more information about The Revolution.

And click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Rain_(film) for information about the 1984 movie Purple Rain.

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INFORMATION ABOUT THE SONG "JUNGLE LOVE"
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungle_Love_(The_Time_song)
"Jungle Love" is a song from The Time's third album, Ice Cream Castle. The track was one of the first songs recorded for the album, being cut in late March 1983 during Prince's 1999 tour. "Jungle Love" was also one of the first Time tracks to involve other members of the band in the creation of the song. Morris Day and Jesse Johnson both contributed to writing the song. Day provided lead vocals and Johnson played guitar on the recording. Prince played all the other instruments.

"Jungle Love" is a funk-pop offering relying mainly on bass and drums (drum machines), although there are elements of new wave keyboards and a rock guitar solo, allowing the song to cross musical boundaries. Added to this are animalistic sound effects by Day and sexual lyrics that are sometimes good-humored but at other times allude to rape and false imprisonment.* All this, combined with the Purple Rain momentum, propelled the song to The Time's second-highest position thus far on the pop charts (#20 on the Billboard Hot 100). Their highest-charting song was "Jerk Out" at #9.

["Jungle Love's] Writers: Prince (as Jamie Starr), Morris Day, Jesse Johnson]
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Click http://www.metrolyrics.com/jungle-love-lyrics-the-time.html for the lyrics to "Jungle Love". These lyrics include one word of profanity.

In my opinion, "Jungle Love" is a good example of a song whose rhythm and beat are far more memorable than its words. Although I remember seeing and hearing this song performed in the movie Purple Rain and I remember hearing it since then, I never knew the words of the song, except for its hook, and its "Oh wee Oh wee" lyrics (which are probably what Wikipedia is referring to as "animalistic sound effects"). I'm surprised to learn that the lyrics sometimes "allude to rape and false imprisonment". I can see how the "oh wee oh wee oh" lyrics allude to the jungle. But, I always thought those sounds were a different version of the marching soldiers from the Wizard Of Oz movie.

Also, since I first heard that record, I thought that the Times' record title "Jungle Love" referred to interracial romantic relationships. I came to that conclusion based on that term's similarity to the African American Vernacular English term "jungle fever". "Jungle Fever" is the title of a 1991 movie by African American producer Spike Lee. It's possible that the Time's record "Jungle Love" may (also?) mean "jungle fever", but I'm not sure of that anymore.

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INFORMATION ABOUT "UPTOWN FUNK"
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uptown_Funk
"Uptown Funk" (stylised as "UpTown Funk!")[6][7] is a song recorded by British producer Mark Ronson, with vocals from American singer Bruno Mars, for Ronson's fourth studio album, Uptown Special (2015). RCA Records released the song as the album's lead single on 10 November 2014...

The single received widespread critical acclaim from music critics, receiving two Grammy Award nominations for Record of the Year and Best Pop Duo/Group Performance. The song was also a global commercial success, spending fourteen consecutive weeks at number one on the US Billboard Hot 100, seven non-consecutive weeks at number one on the UK Singles Chart, and topped the charts in several other countries including Australia, Canada, France, Ireland and New Zealand.

In 2015, "Uptown Funk" won Ronson the Brit Award for British Single of the Year.[11] The video for "Uptown Funk" was also nominated for five MTV Video Music Awards in 2015, winning Best Male Video...

The song features heavy inspiration from the Minneapolis sound of 1980s-era funk music, having a spirit akin to works by Prince as well as Morris Day and The Time.[4] Copyright controversies about "Uptown Funk" have dogged Ronson and Mars, with The Gap Band's three core members being added on as songwriters as part of a mutually settled agreement given the inspiration given to the track by "Oops! Upside Your Head"...

The video received its billionth view on YouTube on 15 September 2015 (UTC), becoming the ninth video on YouTube to receive over 1 billion views"...

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YOUTUBE VIDEO OF "UPTOWN FUNK!"
Editor's Note: I'm featuring this video first because comments in the discussion threads for the Time's YouTube video refer to it.

Mark Ronson - Uptown Funk ft. Bruno Mars



MarkRonsonVEVO, Published on Nov 19, 2014

Mark Ronson's official music video for 'Uptown Funk' ft. Bruno Mars.
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Mark Ronson is the chief writer and producer of this song. Bruno Mars is the lead singer. He's shown in the pink jacket in this video.
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This same video and information is provided in Part I and Part II of this pancocojams series.

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YOUTUBE EXAMPLES OF MORRIS DAY AND THE TIMES' SONG "JUNGLE LOVE"
Morris Day And - Jungle Love



Missao Informatica, Uploaded on Apr 23, 2010
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Selected comments from this sound file's discussion thread:
These comments are given in chronological order with the oldest comments given first. However, these comments may not be in consecutive order. I've assigned numbers to these comments for referencing purposes only.

2014
1. Nick Knight
"I'm used to hearing the faster tempo version from Purple Rain"

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2015
2. Joel H
"Uptown Funk is good, but this is still better. This is where it all started baby! It is good to see an artist bring back what was....but let us first pay homage to Morris! #GoodOleDays"

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3. Doug Klima
"FUNK IS BACK !! Bruno knows...nothing wrong "uptown funk "!!

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4. lorie v

"IT ABOUT TIME"

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5. EAB82
"He ripped this song off imo"

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6. Alex Banks
"+EAB82
Watch the TED talks feature of Mark Ronson, the man who wrote Uptown Funk. I bet you won't feel that way afterwards."

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7. AmericanKopite21
"+Jacari Jacobs
Why?"

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8. Alex Banks
"+AmericanKopite21
Watch the video and see; he will argue, very well, that sampling is not ripping someone off. That's what TEDtalks is for, shedding new light on old ideas."

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9. Dj Billman
"I think perhaps Bruno Mars took Jungle love / Prince / parliment and a couple others and just morphed their sounds for uptown funk. It's definitely not original it's like a carbon copy of these old school songs."

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ohmixmaster
"10. Wait, is this Mark Ronson and Bruno Mars? (note sarcasm)"
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The video for "Uptown Funk" credits "Mark Ronson featuring Bruno Mars". Mark Ronson is the chief writer & producer of that song.

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11. David Eberhart
"Bruno Mars 'Uptown Funk' comments section is filled with kids who think 'Uptown Funk' and Bruno sound more like Michael Jackson, LMFAO! They obviously haven't heard Morris Day and the Time. Melody, clothing style, dance in 'Uptown Funk' IMHO, are a tribute to the funk that 'Morris Day and the Time' brought to the genre in the 80's. Even the '...Say whaaaat...' are in Uptown Funk after the 4:00:00 mark. You hear it about three times."

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12. VoodooChild
"as soon as I heard that faux funk, I knew I was hearing somebody pay homage to Morris Day and The Time."
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"faux funk" = fake funk

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13. David Eberhart
"+VoodooChild Well said!"

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screeningmimi
14. "+VoodooChild Me too, I thought I was hearing something new by Morris Day & The Time, until I looked it up and saw this sad guy who was 'borrowing' heavily but can't begin to carry the look and attitude off like Morris."

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15. Arthur Hawkins
"+David Eberhart I just posted something on that site telling them that uptown funk is more Morris Day and the Time than Michael Jackson....amazing how they get Michael out of that.....Uptown funk is really a tribute to Funk music from back in the day....I was happy that somebody actually did a funk tune with the beat on the one...it sounded like back in the day and that's what I remember....like boogie body from the bar kay's...not that groove was serious....like so many other songs that had the funk..."

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16. One Glove Movement
"+David Eberhart Yes.. but "Uptown Funk" horns samples sounds like MJ's "Jam" and the video is taking place at the same place the Jacksons made a pepsi commercial back in 84. Also you makin it look like MJ has nothing to do with funk..."

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17. Arthur Hawkins
"This song is much less Michael Jackson than it is Funk from Morris Day and the Time...along with other Funk jams from the past...Michael did some funk, but he was more pop than funk....These younger folks are listening to this and hearing funk for the first time and they like it....every recent event that I've gone to...this song comes on and the kids go crazy....It's not Michael's horns as it it funk horn sections from the mid to late 70's and 80's...check out the Bar kays, confunction, brass construction and Mandrill, these guys laid the ground work for the funky horn sections....This was during the time of Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5 which was Michael and his brothers......Know your musical history...I will say that the short slap bass rif pays homage to Louis Johnson in the Jackson 5 song "get on the floor" I will give you that..."

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18. Sarah Simpkins
"The new generation don't know nothing about morris day and the time.good music"

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19. SingtingzIsReady
"Oh snap. Mark Ronson and Bruno Mars are gonna get sued for this!"

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Jude Samuel
"+SingtingzIsReady Actually... The lyrics are different the tones are different the instruments are similiar but the beats are diiferent"

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21. Balzac T. Bagher
"+Jude Samuel it would still be enough for them to get sued."

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22. Jude Samuel
"+Richard Mongler They have to be exactly the same. Just a slight change in the pitch could change a copy right."

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23. sierranovember6
"+Richard Mongler Getting sued and winning the lawsuit are two different things."

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Judy Doherty
24. "Before there was Bruno Mars, there was Morris Day & the Time!"

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mikeyj122
25. "Instead of everyone bashing Bruno Mars, how about try and appreciate what they are doing here, they are single handedly bringing back a lost form of real music. I bet Morris would appreciate it. If you like Uptown Funk, as I do, go out and find some other great funk artists like Morris Day and the Time. Earth, Wind, and Fire, kool and the gang, parliment funkadelic, James Brown, sly and the family stone, and others are all great bands and artists, do yourself a favor and go and check them out. I think it's awesome that this kind of music is making a come back, in 33 years old, I grew up watching purple rain, so I know Morris Day well. I think we should encourage this funk revival instead of worrying about what Bruno took. He helped create a great song that is the best thing that's been done musically in over a decade, maybe longer. Yes he took inspiration from guys like Morris Day, but we all come from somewhere. Don't hate, appreciate."

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Fern Gully
26. "Hey Morris!! Did you know Bruno Mars has completely ripped off Jungle Love and is selling it under the name, Uptown Funk???? Yours is 100 million times better and funkier. The original always is. Sue his ass."

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Kia James Barkley
27. "Sue Bruno mars he took jungle love beat for his song it is so not right"

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28. Caroline Perkins
"I thought uptown funk sounded familiar. My friends didn't seem to notice(we're 16 hahaha)...well. Depresses me to know how untalented artists these days are."

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29. sonicfreak12
"+Caroline Perkins I actually applaud Bruno for bringing this stuff back. Its about time something new get you grooving rather than whine about all their relationship problems"

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30. Caroline Perkins
"+sonicfreak12 I love Bruno for that also. But I personally dislike when artists sample other artists. It seems so unoriginal to me."

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31. Smokey Spur
"Damn its like im one of a few in my generation that knows there is nothing new under the sun. Most of these new artist just rip off older pioneers because the new audience is way too ignorant to the history of music."

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32. The Salty Spittoon
"Yeah this and uptown funk have basically the same chords... Lol and there everyone was saying 'finally something original'"

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ricosuave14
33. "Agreed. Uptown funk is an unimaginative ripoff"

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j Hughes5 months ago
34. "+ricosuave14 Let's not get ridiculous. Uptown Funk is [profanity deleted] awesome."

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35. Shirley Ann
"The first time I heard Uptown Funk, I thought it sounded exactly like this on so many ways!"

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36. ricosuave14
"Yup, uptown funk lacks imagination."

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37. Clare Fries
"+Shirley Ann Tell me about it. The second I heard it on the radio, I knew it was Morris Day and the Time's style. I thought it was great...but I also thought it was a rip off. Why can't these singers just straight up acknowledge these songs as tributes to the original artists? They know they're stealing. If they would just be up front and say "Hey, I did this song and it's this artist's style, because I wanted to do something that emulated their brilliant work..." people wouldn't think they're such thieving dillholes and would probably give them more credit for the work that went into the production. Because they would also be crediting the original artist. It might also stem the tide of lawsuits. There's nothing wrong with creating a tribute work as long as you acknowledge that you are not the originating artist of the style."

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preciousbash
38. "All of the Prince related bands were it..Jesse Johnson, the Time, The Family...etc...."

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Rainn M
39. "I thought this was Prince the first time I heard it."

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40. Rainn M
"My mistake; it is Prince, in his earlier band."

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41. lowlowseesee
"+Dann Rain nope, this is Morris Day with The Time. Wouldnt doublt if Prince had his hand in the writing though, he was all over the place"

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42/ Rainn M
"Yes, but Prince was a part of The Time. It was his band before he went on his own."

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43. lowlowseesee
"+Dann Rain we are both correct it seems. This is Morris Day but I just looked up the writing credits and it is Prince as well, he is credited as Jamie Starr I think. great stuff"

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44. Crunkboy415
"+Rainn M Actually Prince wrote all or most the Time's music. He created the band as his opening act, brought in his old childhood friend Morris Day as the singer."

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45.Norm H
"+Rainn M It was in the movie "Purple Rain""

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46. Crunkboy415
"+Rainn M Kinda right. Prince, Morris Day, and former bass player Andre Cymone were all in a band called Grand Central back in their high school days. Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis, Monte Moir, and Jellybean Johnson were in a rival band called FlyteTime. So the competition btw the two bands in the movie was sorta based on real life."

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[Editor: This was written in response to a commenter who said that Morris Day copied Bruno Mars]
47. ricosuave14
"Jungle love released 1984 A.D.
Uptown Funk released 2015 A.D.
Aint no way Jungle Love copied uptown funk..."

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48. Traye76
"Modern musicians...pull your pants up and learn some showmanship ---- Morris Day."

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Example #2: "Jungle Love" Morris Day & The Time 1984



SadisticPork, Uploaded on Apr 8, 2011
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Selected comments from this sound file's discussion thread:
These comments are given in chronological order with the oldest comments given first. However, these comments may not be in consecutive order. I've assigned numbers to these comments for referencing purposes only.

2011
1. hardrocker04
"all the other versions of the song the tone is different but the movie verion is the original when you hear it thank you so much for uploading this i've been lokin for this version for a long time"

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2012
2. Gunsmith67
"The speed is a little off..I had the fortune of living in MPLS in the 80's and going to see them several times.. the song never sounded like that!...lol"

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3. graysight [2013]
yeah, this is taken from the movie purple rain, Prince´s movie,a very good movie indeed

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4. Patricia W
I could do anything if I had a gold lame' jacket like that...

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5. notsusan
"if I hadn't been alive in the 80s to witness this movie would've made me think all black people dressed like this every day"

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2014
6. Thomas Hodge
"finally this one greatest unsung soul funk anthems of the 80s get on this"

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7. Snap Crackle
"The first time I heard this was I knew it was gonna be a hit. The Time had a dress rehearsal performance at First Avenue before the release of Purple Rain. Rocky Harris was on bass."

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Matthew Olden
8. "Be honest, who's funkier? The Time or The Revolution?"

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9. MrRamto13
"+Matthew Olden
"the Time"

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10. Matthew Olden
"+MrRamto13 Thank you! I was scared I was the only one lol. Which is ironic, because Prince is responsible for most if not all their early records."

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11. William Brown
"the revolution"

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12. UNDFTDGordon
"The Time. They are one of the best funk bands ever."

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13. Matthew Olden
"+UNDFTDGordon Exactly. Morris, Jimmy, Terry, Jesse, and Jellybean pretty much could've held The Time down on their own."

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14. UNDFTDGordon
"I love Prince though and he did write virtually all of their songs. I find myself playing much more Time songs than his ones though."

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15. Matthew Olden
"+UNDFTDGordon I'm the complete opposite lol. I listen to Prince more but I like The Time better."

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16. Kevin Vasquez (kevincho420)
"+Matthew Olden Both are great but the time definitely had those club jams!"

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Matthew Olden
17. "+Kevin Vasquez Oh, yeah, gotta give them props on that. The Time definitely knew how to get the people on the floor."

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18. MrDXW1213
"+Matthew Olden I don't think the revolution was really meant to be his [profanity deleted] group anyway. they were there moreso to play his stuff, which is a wide variety of genres. The Time is a FUNK group. I love their songs as I grew up on both prince and George Clinton so whenever I need a short break from prince, I go to the time for some funk lol"

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19. Matthew Olden
"+MrDXW1213 Yeah that makes since in that perspective XD it was Prince and his "background musicians", The Time was indeed a funk band."

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20. MrDXW1213
"+Matthew Olden They could've made it on their own tho, He's so charismatic and Jimmy Jam and Terry are musical geniuses in their own right"

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21. Matthew Olden
"+MrDXW1213 It's a shame, Prince was so controlling and as soon as The Time grew popular (more popular than Prince believe it or not) he went as far as kicking them off the 1999 Tour."

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Snap Crackle
22. "+Matthew Olden TIME"

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23. Kwisatz Haderach
"+Matthew Olden The Time most definitely."

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24. Larry Norris
"you ask who's funkier but do you realize that prince started in the time and then became their manager when he started the revolution. he basically built and directed the time musically so it can be argued that the times funkiness originates with prince"

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2015
20. Sincerely_yours31
"classic movie here!"

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21. lamujermaslinda
"had to come here to recover from watching bruno mars uptown funk"

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22. Claye Edou
"UPTOWN FUNK brought me here..."

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23. Mz Hyde
"I knew when I heard Uptown Funk that it had certain BEATS & words from Morris Day"

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24. J Wilson
+Claye Edou i am so glad some 1 else hear this other than i.....

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