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Friday, September 8, 2023

Nicki Minaj's Black Barbie Aesthetic (article excerpts)

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part VI of a six part pancocojams series on Black Barbie dolls and/or some songs that refer to Barbie.

This post presents article excerpts that focus on Nicki Minaj's Black Barbie aesthetics. 

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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/09/black-representation-in-barbie-doll.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. That post showcases three videos of Black representation in the Barbie doll line and presents excerpts from two online articles about Black Barbie dolls.

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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/09/lil-jackies-2008-black-barbie-song.html  for Part II of this pancocojams series. That post focuses on the 2008 song "Black Barbie" by Lil Jackie. 

WARNING- This song includes profanity.

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Click 
https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/09/nicki-minajs-2018-song-black-barbies.html for Part III of this pancocojams series. That post showcases the 2018 song "Black Barbies" by Nicki Minaj and focuses on the controversary about non-Black people singing the lyrics to that song on the Tik Tok social media site. 

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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/09/barbie-world-by-aqua-1997-barbie-world.html for Part IV of this pancocojams series. That post showcases the 1997 official YouTube video of "Barbie World" by Aqua and the 2023 official YouTube video of "Barbie World" by Nicki Minaj & Ice Spice (with Aqua). This post also includes an excerpt about Barbie dolls and Black girls.  

WARNING: The 2023 song "Barbie World" by Nicki Minaj featuring Ice Spice contains profanity. 

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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/09/lil-kims-black-barbie-aesthetic.html for Part V of this pancocojams series. That post presents information about Lil Kim, an article except, and discussion thread comments about Lil Kim's Black Barbie aesthetics. 

WARNING: 
The 2023 song "Barbie World" by Nicki Minaj & Ice Spice (with Aqua) contains profanity.

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The content of this post is presented for historical and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Nicki Minaj for her musical legacy. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. 
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Biographical information about Nicki Minaj is given in Part III of this pancocojams series.

Because pancocojams is a family friendly blog, no Nicki Minaj videos (except for "Barbie World") and no Lil Kim videos are included in this pancocojams series.

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ARTICLE EXCERPTS
These article excerpts are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.

Article #1
From https://www.vibe.com/lists/nicki-minaj-barbie-songs-ranked/ Nicki Minaj’s Best “Barbie” Songs Ranked

From "Barbie Tingz" to "Barbie Dreams," Minaj has shown what it takes to be queen Barb.

By Amber Corrine, July 22, 2023 
…”The Barbie film finally hit theaters on Friday (July 21) and Nicki Minaj not only has a banger on its soundtrack, but has also encompassed the Mattel doll for years.

At the onset of her career and the release of her 2007 mixtape, Playtime Is Over, the Queen emcee dubbed herself the “Barbie.” On the project’s cover, Nicki appears as a doll trapped inside a box. Since then, the alias has become a part of her image and brand and she’s called her fans “Barbz.”

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At the Barbie premiere, Minaj told ET, “I am so excited to be here and be a part of this entire moment. I’m glad that they thought of me because I’m excited just like everybody else is excited to see this movie. “I’ve been saying Barbie my whole career. So it’s a very full circle moment.”

Below is a ranking of Nicki Minaj’s best “Barbie” songs that have not only been inspired by the beloved Mattel doll but also defined her persona.

[Pancocojams Editor's Note: A chronological list of Nicki Minaj's songs with Barbie in the title is found immediately below. This article's writer ranks Nicki Minaj's song "Barbie World" as #1 and gives the following review of that song.]

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"Barbie World"

The leading single from the Barbie film soundtrack is Nicki Minaj’s “Barbie World” featuring Ice Spice. The track samples Aqua’s original 1997 hit “Barbie Girl” and is accompanied by a true-to-theme Barbie music video.

The song is a fun spin on the original as Minaj brings Ice into the Barbie lifestyle she’s been living for years. In the Hannah Lux Davis-directed video, the pair have a luxurious day in Malibu, the Mattel doll’s signature hometown. The rappers get dolled up in their Barbie dream house before jet skiing on pink clouds, and driving a pink Barbie convertible car.

In true Barbie fashion, Minaj wears a black and white polka dot dress, magenta platform heels, and two curly ponytails in her hair. The Bronx baddie sports pink hair, a yellow off-the-shoulder blouse, and skater skirt.

Surrounded by “Ken dolls,” the New Yorkers trade bars as they rap, “And I’m bad like the Barbie/ I’m a doll, but I still wanna party/ Pink ‘Vette like I’m ready to bend/ I’m a 10, so I’m pulling a Ken/ Like Jazzie, Stacie, Nicki/ All of the Barbies is pretty/ All of the Barbies is bad/ It girls and we ain’t playin’ tag.”
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Here's a list (with release dates) of Nicki Minaj's records that include the name "Barbie" in their titles:

2016 - "Black Barbies"

2018- “Barbie Dreams

2018 -“Barbie Tingz”

2019 -"Barbie Goin Bad"

2019 - "Barbie Drip"

2023- "Barbie World" 

WARNING- These songs include profanity and sexually explicit content.

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Article #2
From 
https://nickiminaj.fandom.com/wiki/The_Harajuku_Barbie The Harajuku Barbie [no publishing date is given; retrieved Sept. 7, 2023]
"The Harajuku Barbie (pronounced HARA-JOO-KOO BAR-BEE), often shortened simply to Barbie or HB, is the name of one of Nicki Minaj's longest lasting and most famous alter egos. Nicki the Harajuku Barbie accentuates the qualities of an imaginative, fun, coquettish girly girl-fashionista, that loves everything pink. This is also the muse who ignites the transformation of Nicki's performances as an R&B/Pop singer and future Rock-Star Icon.[1]

Personality

The Harajuku Barbie is famous for speaking softly and acting much more naively than any of her other egos although in the beginning of her existence, she was much more confident and cocky. She is the opposite of Roman Zolanski, another of Minaj's alter egos. Barbie's favorite color is pink, akin Minaj, and, after Minaj began wearing wigs of many different colors, she is typically found in blonde or pink wigs. However, Barbie can also act very sexually, as she sings in the song "BedRock".

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Style

Harajuku Barbie is often interpreted as the fashion behind Nicki Minaj's style.

This fashion sense and lifestyle became so prominent that Minaj created an alter ego specifically for it named The Harajuku Barbie.

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Nicki Minaj went out on a viral video to explain the newest form of Harajuku Barbie, where according to her, was a fashion style she got inspired of.

According to the video, she got inspired by the Japanese city Harajuku where the culture of the same name begun, Because people were adding "something" to "Barbie" to describe something, for example: a fashion style, Nicki decided to combine these two words to create the name of "Presidentduane", describing her fashion style.

This prominent style that was adopted by many female fans, which led to them calling themselves Harajuku Barbiez, eventually shortened to simply Barbz, and so Minaj's coinage of the fashion term eventually led to the common name for female members of Team Minaj.”
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This article includes photographs of Nicki Minaj in a pink wig, or yellow wig, or white wig, or another hair color as part of her Harajuku Barbie persona.

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Article #3
From https://www.yahoo.com/video/nicki-minaj-shouts-lil-kim-180109662.html Nicki Minaj Shouts Out Lil' Kim for Her Influence in Fashion, by Gigi Fong, March 11, 2022
…"Historically, the two rappers have not gotten along. It all began when Minaj's single release promo featured her in Lil' Kim's iconic squat that she posed in for her debut album, Hard Core. Fans placed the images side-by-side and it sparked controversy over whether Minaj was copying Kim. The history between the two gets even more dramatic with a number of negative run-ins within the industry. But ultimately, Lil' Kim's influence -- from her colored wigs to her Barbie doll aesthetic -- is undeniable.”…

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Article #4
From https://www.revolt.tv/nicki-minaj-and-ice-spices-barbie-girl-snippet-has-twitter-excited/ Nicki Minaj has Twitter ready to reserve theater tickets as she teases collab with Ice Spice for "Barbie World"

“It’s ‘Barbie’ b**ch if you still in doubt,” Nicki Minaj rapped in ‘Barbie’s’ latest trailer.

by Cierra Jones,  05.25.2023
…"Nicki Minaj is living up to the name of one of her famous alter egos: Barbie.

Today (May 25), Warner Bros. Pictures dropped a new trailer for its 2023 film that is titled the same as Minaj’s infamous personality. As the ending approached, viewers heard the talented artist rapping over a sample of Aqua’s 1997 track “Barbie Girl.”

On Twitter, Rolling Stone confirmed Minaj’s involvement in the movie by sharing the highly anticipated film’s Barbie The Album lineup. Lizzo, Khalid, Kali, and more join the “Moment 4 Life” lyricist on the soundtrack.

After fans learned of the news, Twitter went haywire with Minaj’s name trending. Many of her Barbs believed the song opportunity was befitting for the Trinidadian-born songwriter given how the fashion doll has inspired her musically. Minaj appeared dressed in pink as a Barbie on her first album cover. She has incorporated different doll-like esthetics in her music videos and looks throughout her career.

Online, one user wrote, “When you think of the word Barbie, you think of Nicki Minaj and her fans. Let’s be 100 real.”- J. (@J0rdan0re0) May 25, 2023"...
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 The spelling for that beginning quote is the way that it was written in that article.

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Article #5
From  https://www.gq.com/story/barbie-black-women-rappers-nicki-minaj-lil-kim "How Black Women Rappers Expanded What Barbie Could Be: by Heven Haile, August 6, 2023
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Kent Theater, Brooklyn. Five minutes until Barbie starts. Here, girlhood is sacred. Unsupervised tweens in hot-pink bobs record TikToks in pitch-black aisles. Trying my best not to gawk, I can’t help but notice the song blasting from their phones. It wasn’t a snippet of “Barbie Girl” by Aqua or “Dance the Night” by Dua Lipa, which was the first single from the movie’s soundtrack. The youth were listening to “Barbie World” by Nicki Minaj and Ice Spice.

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Two decades ago, Lil’ Kim started to mold the doll in her image. “Black Barbie dressed in Bulgari,” she declared herself in “The Jump Off.” Sporting blue contacts and a blonde wig, she sat in the driver seat of a pink convertible on the 2000 Source Awards stage. Aria S. Halliday, an associate professor of gender and women’s studies at the University of Kentucky, points to Barbie’s global name recognition as one of the primary reasons artists like Kim sought to align themselves with the doll. “For Black women rappers in a hip-hop space that has been very masculine for so long, it's a lot easier to hold on to the hyper-feminine aspects of Barbie to situate themselves in a unique position,” Halliday explains. Rappers like Kim and later Nicki Minaj borrowed tropes like the Barbiecore aesthetic (see: Elle Woods in Legally Blonde) and airheaded Bimbocore (see: Anna Nicole Smith’s celebrity persona), co-opting the daintiness historically reserved for white women, in order to carve out space for themselves.

And now the very word Barbie is basically synonymous with Nicki. “It’s Barbie, bit-h!*” is basically a bat signal for the Barbz, her diehard fanbase. Originally a farewell slogan, it has become a subversive spin on “Black Bi-ch*.” Feigning naivitΓ© on the choruses of bubble gum pop records, rappers like Minaj mock geniality and disarm listeners only to shock them with spurts of ferality. Black Barbie doesn’t stare off vacantly into space. She growls, grimaces, and throws herself around frantically, all while striving for a polished image of perfection. As Nicki said herself: “Raggedy Ann could never be a Barbie Bitch!!”

[…]

Akin to Mattel’s Barbie, Minaj was lambasted for promoting unrealistic body standards. What some viewed as her glorification of plastic surgery, others interpreted as cultural commentary. In 2010’s “Barbie Girls: Lil’ Kim, Nicki Minaj, and Mattel” contributor Sarah Todd uses Minaj’s Pink Friday album cover to argue that the rapper often satirized societal expectations of women: “One outstretched leg, shiny as plastic, is more than double the length of her torso. She has no arms, and her breasts are thrust so high they cover her collarbone. These out-of-whack proportions and missing limbs communicate the impossibility of the femininity she embodies.”

The allure of the Black Barbie has taken hold of younger generations. With some exceptions, female rap now heavily leans into a hyper-feminine aesthetic. Like Minaj, these rappers also routinely attempt crossovers into bubblegum pop. It’s become the standard. Just take a look at popular Gen-Z emcees Flo Milli, Baby Tate, and Doja Cat, who often dress in pastels, rock platinum blonde wigs, adopt high-pitch vocal inflections, and animatedly pose like life-size dolls."
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*This word is fully spelled out in this article.

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Lil Kim's Black Barbie Aesthetic (information, article excerpt, & discussion thread comments)

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part V of a six part pancocojams series on Black Barbie dolls and/or some songs that refer to Barbie.

This post presents information and an article excerpt about Lil Kim as well as selected comments about the Barbie aesthetics of Lil Kim. 

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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/09/black-representation-in-barbie-doll.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. That post showcases three videos of Black representation in the Barbie doll line and presents excerpts from two online articles about Black Barbie dolls.

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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/09/lil-jackies-2008-black-barbie-song.html  for Part II of this pancocojams series. That post focuses on the 2008 song "Black Barbie" by Lil Jackie. 

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Click 
https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/09/nicki-minajs-2018-song-black-barbies.html for Part III of this pancocojams series. That post showcases the 2018 song "Black Barbies" by Nicki Minaj and focuses on the controversary about non-Black people singing the lyrics to that song on the Tik Tok social media site. 

WARNING- This song contains profanity, the n word, and other Parental Advisory content.

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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/09/barbie-world-by-aqua-1997-barbie-world.html for Part III of this pancocojams series. This post showcases two YouTube videos of the song "Barbie World"; the 1997 song by Aqua and the 2023 song by Nicki Minaj featuring Ice Spice (Aqua). This post also includes an excerpt about Barbie dolls and Black girls.  

WARNING: 
The 2023 song "Barbie World" by Nicki Minaj & Ice Spice (with Aqua) contains profanity. 

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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/09/nicki-minajs-black-barbie-aesthetic.html for Part VI 
of this pancocojams series. That post focuses on the Barbie aesthetics of Nicki Minaj. 

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The content of this post is presented for historical and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Lil Kim for her musical legacy. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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Because pancocojams is a family friendly blog, no Nicki Minaj videos (except for "Barbie World") and no Lil Kim videos are included in this pancocojams series.

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INFORMATION ABOUT LIL KIM
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lil%27_Kim
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Kimberly Denise Jones (born July 11, 1974),[2] better known by her stage name Lil' Kim, is an American rapper and singer. She was born and raised in New York City and lived much of her adolescent life on the streets after being expelled from home. In her teens, she would freestyle rap, influenced by fellow female hip-hop artists like MC Lyte and the Lady of Rage. In 1994, she was discovered by fellow rapper The Notorious B.I.G., who invited her to join his group Junior M.A.F.I.A.; their debut album, Conspiracy, generated two top 20 singles in the United States and was certified gold by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).

Lil' Kim's debut studio album Hard Core (1996) was certified double platinum in March 2001.[3] Since its release, it has sold more than six million copies worldwide[4] and spawned three successful singles: "No Time," "Not Tonight (Ladies Night)," and "Crush on You." Hard Core had the highest debut in the US for a female rap album at the time.

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Lil' Kim has been referred to as the "Queen of Rap," as well as her alias "Queen Bee" by several media outlets. She has sold more than 15 million albums and 30 million singles worldwide. Her songs "No Time," "Big Momma Thang," and "Not Tonight (Ladies Night)" were each listed on Complex's list of the 50 Best Rap Songs By Women.[6] In 2012, she was listed on VH1's 100 Greatest Women in Music list at number 45, the second-highest position for a solo female hip-hop artist.[7] Aside from music, she is also known for her risk-taking and luxurious approach to fashion which has inspired many artists; she has been cited as a fashion icon.[8][9] She has been noted for helping women embrace their "sexuality and femininity" in a way that was a stark contrast at the time from other female artists.[10]”…

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TWEET ABOUT THE NOTORIOUS K,I.M ALBUM COVER
From https://www.pinterest.com/pin/female-rap-room-on-twitter--687432330626132937/ \Female Rap Room on Twitter
“21 years ago today, @LilKim released the album The Notorious KIM 🐝 The album experimented with several genres, and introduced her now-iconic Black Barbie aesthetic.”
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Notorious_K.I.M.
"The Notorious K.I.M. is the second studio album by American rapper Lil' Kim. It was released on June 27, 2000, by Atlantic Records and was her first album on her new label Queen Bee Entertainment. It debuted at number four on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 229,000 copies in its first week, achieving Lil' Kim's highest peak and biggest first-week sales, and reached the top of the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart. A commercial success, The Notorious K.I.M. was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) on August 2, 2000. It was the best-selling female rap album in 2000 with sales of over 1.5 million copies in the United States. To date, The Notorious K.I.M. has sold 3 million copies worldwide."...

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ARTICLE EXCERPT:
From https://www.gq.com/story/barbie-black-women-rappers-nicki-minaj-lil-kim "How Black Women Rappers Expanded What Barbie Could Be: by Heven Haile, August 6, 2023
..."When I was a kid in the late 2000s, Barbie’s name was a stand-in for “basic white girl,” similar to “Becky.” Today, Barbiehood has evolved from the archetype of the blonde-haired, blue-eyed woman. That’s not a credit to Mattel, but the undertaking of Black female rappers.

Two decades ago, Lil’ Kim started to mold the doll in her image. “Black Barbie dressed in Bulgari,” she declared herself in “The Jump Off.” Sporting blue contacts and a blonde wig, she sat in the driver seat of a pink convertible on the 2000 Source Awards stage. Aria S. Halliday, an associate professor of gender and women’s studies at the University of Kentucky, points to Barbie’s global name recognition as one of the primary reasons artists like Kim sought to align themselves with the doll. “For Black women rappers in a hip-hop space that has been very masculine for so long, it's a lot easier to hold on to the hyper-feminine aspects of Barbie to situate themselves in a unique position,” Halliday explains. Rappers like Kim and later Nicki Minaj borrowed tropes like the Barbiecore aesthetic (see: Elle Woods in Legally Blonde) and airheaded Bimbocore (see: Anna Nicole Smith’s celebrity persona), co-opting the daintiness historically reserved for white women, in order to carve out space for themselves.

When Lil’ Kim and Nicki Minaj started beefing—the former OG ostensibly feeling threatened by her successor—a 2011 essay in Essence chalked their feud up to internalized anti-blackness. The piece criticized their alignment with white Barbie and likened the beef to a “who is the fairest of them all” competition. The writer, now anonymous, questioned why the two did not instead claim Mattel’s first Black Barbie doll, who had an afro and came with a tiny pick.

As a darker-skinned woman in the ‘90s hip-hop scene, Kim admitted that the brutality of colorism drove her to alter her appearance. Barbiehood was her way to reclaim femininity. Contrarily, Minaj’s Barbie persona was driven by theatrics instead of assimilation.. Still, she ditched the waif-thin OG Barbie model for a video vixen look, inspired and partially pressured by her rap roots. ‘‘Back in the day, in hip-hop, the thick girl was glorified. Now the rappers are dating skinny white women. So it’s almost like, ‘Wait a minute, who’s going to tell the thick black girls that they’re sexy and fly, too?’" Minaj told the New York Times in 2015, taking up the mantle herself"...

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM TWO DISCUSSION THREADS
These discussion threads are presented based on their publishing date with the oldest published discussion thread given first. The selected comments from each discussion threads are numbered for referencing purposes only.

WARNING- Some comments in these discussion threads contain profanity. Amended spelling is used for any comment that is quoted in this pancocojams post.

Discussion Thread #1
From https://thatgrapejuice.net/2011/07/hot-shot-lil-kim-channels-barbie-shoot/ Hot Shot: Lil Kim Channels Inner Barbie In New Shoot, Published: Monday 11th Jul 2011 by David

"Check out Rap Royal Lil Kim in this brand spanking new image shot by Michael Antonio.

Drawing on the forces of her inner plastic, Ms Jones channels the infamous ‘Black Barbie‘ aesthetic, armed with a blonde wig and the best Photoshop expert Pay Pal publishing can buy .

Doesn’t she look just like Nicki Minaj?

Your thoughts?

[Pancocojams Editor- A total of 130 comments were published. The following selected comments are assigned numbers for this pancocojams compilation.]

1. Von Tae, July 11, 2011
"Yesss Kim. I Support You. Come Back & Show These Females What You Can Do πŸ™‚ I Love Nicki To So, I Hope Both Of Them Act Right & Show Love To Each Other. We Don’t Need Another Biggie & Tupac Incident."

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2. Wow, July 11, 2011
"Kim ORIGINATED that s***. This site has recently gotten so dumb when it comes to the origin of American music pop culture. Smh…"
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3. 
GREG, July 11, 2011
"ok TGJ, you guys need to stop it…everyone knows Lil Kim was doing this look WAYYYY before Nicki Minaj was even thought of…..everything Nicki does as far as fashion was done by Kim years ago"

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4. YeaBey, July 11, 2011
"TGJ always gassing stan wars….annnywayy…i Know Lil Kim is the original Barbie and all but she is kind of too old for that…Nicki Minaj made it clear several times that Lil Kim is her inspiration but Nicki does a better job with the barbie thing…I mean Lil Kim really looks like a t***** here … thats just my opinion"
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5. MRB, July 11, 2011
"NOW DAT THAT HARD CORE LIL KIM! THE FIRST BLACK BARBIE TO DO IT AND EVER DONE IT! THAT PIC OF NICKI MANAJ LOOKS JUST AS DUMB AS THAT TIRED MARGE SIMPSON WIG SHE’S WEARING!!!

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6. NikkiIsChillin, July 11, 2011
"This is a actually one of the better pictures of Kim that I have seen in a long time. She looks good. But I think Kims era may be over. Nicki is what is current now….not a big fan of either ladies. Just my opinion."

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7. Malibu Barbie, July 11, 2011
"But… Lil Kim was the First Black Barbie, nicki stole her whole image from her, Kim is also called the Malibu Barbie.. i cant stand the fact the swagger jackers are getting the shine the originator should have got"

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8. number1k9, July 11, 2011
"Kim MAYYY look plastic (at times)

but one thing is for sure, she definitely DOES NOT LOOK OLD, especially not in that pic.

SHE IS THE ORIGINAL BLACK BARBIE! ! !"

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9. MichaelAngelo,July 11, 2011
"Must be a slow day at ThatGrapeJuice.net The entire world knows Kim has been doing this Barbie thing since b4 Nicki was in training bra’s. Let this situation be."

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7. BrealK, July 11, 2011
"No Kim looks way better. That was her signature look for years before NM was a blip on the hiphop scene. "

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8. TresChic, July 11, 2011
"wow, the ignorance is strong here…Lil Kim started with the black barbie look, who is TGJ staff anyway?! Where did you come from?!"

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9. 
latin86, uly 11, 2011
"Why would TGJ write that she looks like nicki minaj? That’s the most ridicuous statement I have heard from a blog site ever in my life! Pure ignorance I don’t take this site serious anymore and this is why I have hardly visited this site compared to previously when I would check way more often. Ima remove this site from my bookmark sites and best believe I won’t be checking for TGJ !"

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10. 
xoxo, July 11, 2011
"How dumb are yall?? Ever heard of sarcasm??!!! They are taking the p*** – making a joke about who looks like who. everyone knows kim did it first but nicki does it better! LOL

I like them both but cant deny Kims raps were better (back in the day) but no one cares no more."
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11. 
Blah, July 11, 2011
"Leave This Lady Alone She hasnt Mentioned Nicki At All Let Her and Other Female Rappers Do There Thing !! She Started This Barbie Thing And She Said Multiple Times She Not Gonna Stop Being A Barbie And She Looks Stunning The Best I Seen Her In Months !!"

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12. Jae, July 11, 2011
"its not about who did it first, but about who made it memorable. #teamminaj"

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13. nytf, July 11, 2011
"yessss!!!!!! tgj yall always tring it ….. she look good and she started the blond wig niki stoll it smh……tgj yall going to make ppl stop coming here ,yall giving out wrong info!!!!!!"

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14. 
Tangie, July 11, 2011
"I have always heard Nicki mention That LIL KIM has INSPIRED her in many ways..but KIm never embraced it she hated on it..I will admit i was a Lil Kim fan till she started being a hater..Omg she is to old for that mess. Nicki is a lil girl to her..when your time is over bow out gracefully dont crash and burn…. Kim was so cute before all the plastice surgery she reminded me of regular around the way girls now she looks like a black Goldie Hawn…SMDH"

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15. CURLY SUE,July 11, 2011
"I LIKE BOTH KIM & NICKI, BUT EVERYONE KNOWS LIL KIM WAS THE ORIGINAL BLACK BARBIE….DON’T BE DUMB TGJ!!!"

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16. pop royalty, July 11, 2011
"i know one thing and that’s for sure :

MY LIL SISTER HAS A BLACK BARBIE AND IT DOESN’T LOOK LIKE THOSE …. RIGHT HERE ! TALK ABOUT being fake for life !!!!!!

I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YALL SMOKING ?!!!!!! CUZ IT’S REALLY THAT POWERFUL !!!!!!!"

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KAT DELUNA FAN,July 11, 2011
"kimmy looks great

TGJ is a hater"

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18.a-hogg,July 11, 2011
"All of yall need to shut up that s*** up about kim doing it first kim stole it from patti labelle and missy elliott.. Ain’t none of it original. So all you haters can shut up because at the end of the day they each took it from someone else."
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19.
JAYE, July 11, 2011
"Do y’all remember when Kim took off the wig and said she was done with Barbie??? O ok. She’s trying to look like Nicki. Girl have a seat, your fanbase doesn’t call themselves barbies anymore, get a f****** clue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L51MfaWsN4 "
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19. 
PinkFridayLipChap, July 11, 2011
"@Antonio WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME LIL KIM TRIED TO LOOK LIKE A BARBIE!? 1996 maybe? come on people, It’s obvious that Lil Kim is trying to imitate Nicki…. Now who’s the cloned clown? And for you to compare Nicki’s accomplishments to Missy, Da Brat, Lauren Hill, Foxy, Trina, Lil Kim etc.. Thank You, BUT… don’t forget to mention how long they’ve been in the game… compare that to Nicki too mmkay!? And yes Kim *TRIED* to be a barbie first and failed…..BUT!! Nicki came through and BRANDED it. Now NICKI is AMERICA’S FAVORITE BARBIE!!! that Lil Him is obsessed with. mmkay people so stop with the nonsense….Lil Kim (DID IT) But now Nicki Minaj is (DOING IT) GET IT!?"

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20. TWITTER.COM/ESSENCE_OF_SEAN, July 11, 2011
"JUDGING BY KIM’S NK ERA!

DID NICKI REALLY DO IT BETTER ? LOL HELL NO SHE DID NOT!

KIM STARTED THE LOOK AND STILL DOES IT BETTER SO PLZ."

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21. 
me, July 11, 2011
"why are people saying the last time she looked like a babire was 96? uh WRONG notorious kim 2000-2002 BARBIE era La bella mafia 2003-06 black barbie ERA 2009-now BARBIE ERA did u not see the download video? dancing with the stars? she called her self barbie and her dance partner was ken because her dance partner had blonde hair and blue eyes like a ken barbie doll!"

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22. Tangie, July 11, 2011
"@ JANE DOE NO!! hunny the proof is in the pudding..Lil Kim is damn near 40 still acting like an ASS. Let it go everybody has there time to shine her time is over imitation is biggest form of flattery..Lil kim is to old to be jumping up and down waving her hands screaming “I did It First” …"

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23. The Naked Truth, July 11, 2011
"Lil Kim did this look Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Back When!

Don’t start No Mess TGJ!

Y’all so Messy!"

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24. Antonio, July 11, 2011
"@PINKFRIDAYLIPCHAP, the reason I compared Nicki to all those female MC’s is because her delusional ass stans are always saying she’s the best female rapper ever and I just LOL. What has she accomplished or released that would make people say such a thing. Nicki will never get the level of respect those other female got and still get because she’s a gimmick. Nicki has been one of the biggest artists in the industry for 2 1/2 years and she’s still a opening act? Kim has never opened for anybody in her 17 year career. She’s always headlined her tours and concerts. Don’t get me wrong, Nicki has some good songs like Fly, Blazin, Dear Old Nicki and I’m the Best, but her lyrics and beats are repetitive. Kim never had a song sound like the one released before or after it. Kim has real hip-hop songs like Get Money, Money Power Respect, All About the Benjamins, Hold On, Aunt Dot, Revolution, Lil Drummer Boy, F*** You, MAFIA Land, Heavenly Father, Tha BeeHive, Came Back for You, Spell Check, Last Day and Get Yours. Nicki has generic, wannabe Pop songs like Super Bass, Your Love and Right Thru Me. She’ll never be taken very seriously as an MC if she continues to make songs like that and that’s The Naked Truth"

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25. MadonnaLover, July 11, 2011
"@Antonio Said it all.

This site is trash. Nicki did NOT start any of the barbie s***, KIM did. I mean come on….she’s been calling herself that since day one. So what’s the deal? seriously? and NO, nicki does NOT do it better, thats like saying lady gaga does it better than madonna, and beyonce does it better that tina, I MEAN COME ON. You cant REPEAT history and expect someone to bow down and praise you and call you orignial. Lil Kim looks good in this picture. I mean..STOP hating. It gets you nowhere!"
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This word is fully spelled out in that comment.

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26. Speak Da Truth, July 11, 2011
"I So Love The Comments That ppl Finally Standing Up For KIM Cus We ALL KNOW KIM DID THIS 1st..And GETS MAD PROP’s For It Her New Single Coming Soon….Nicki Kool But She Is The Wanna Be Kim…"

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Discussion Thread #2
From https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/nicki-minaj-lil-kim-2-different-aesthetics.1473537/ Nicki Minaj & Lil Kim 2 Different Aesthetics

[Pancocojams Editor's Note: This thread begins with a number of photographs.].

1. .PiscesPrincess3, Mar 6, 2018
"Nicki's aesthetic was more cartoonish, teeny-bopper & colorful without a purpose.

Kim's aesthetic was more thought out. She played with color but it was hood, high-fashion, fly & classy all in one. She adapted to many looks & always slayed."

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2. redbud tree, Mar 6, 2018
"Kim was so gorgeous here. It's sad she couldn't see that."

onyxbeauty said:

I like Kim's too. I don't know what to call her look but grown and sexy came to mind

More like "xes kitten."

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3. Kimya, 
Mar 6, 2018
"Kim's aesthetic would be described as Ghetto Fabulous"

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4. 
Benetkapour, Mar 6, 2018

"passingby21 said

Nicki is more playful than Kim.

I never got the comparisons. Besides being a sexualized Black rapper with colored wigs"

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5. 
Benetkapour, Mar 7, 2018
"Nicki was doing her best Gaga impression when Gaga was hot. Kim was just Kim that’s why her looks and image live on. Kim was more fly with it, label down."

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6. 
feminista2688, Mar 17, 2018
"Kim toned down her look during the labella mafia, naked truth, dancing with the Stars era those looks get no love."

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7. xlou, Mar 17, 2018
"I love Kim’s aesthetic. And I always get so sad when I think about how the abuse and music industry made her hate her looks. She used to be so beautiful !!!"

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Monday, February 27, 2023

Nicki Minaj's 2019 Comment "What?! Um Chile. Anyways. So" That Became An Internet Meme (video, comments, article reprint, and more)

Halima Suzu, Jul 19, 2020
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Transcription:
"I hate doing sh-t* and not perfecting it-
can you guys hear me good?

ummm

big boobs?

What?!

um chile, anyways. so.."
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This is my amended spelling of that word which Nicki Minaj says in that clip.

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II of a two part pancocojams series about the use of the African American Vernacular English word "chile" in songs, television programs, and social media.

This post presents selected comments about the Nicki Minaj "um chile anyways so" quote and meme are also included in this post.

That post also includes my speculative interpretation of Nicki Minaj's "um chile anyways so" comment.

That post also presents an almost complete reprint of an online article about how stan twitter has claimed to have originated "chile" and various other African American Vernacular English words. 

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/02/nicki-minajs-comment-um-chile-anyways.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. That pancocojams post presents a partial timeline of song & social media usages of  the American Vernacular English Word "Chile" from 1967 to the 2000s (with YouTube clips).

This post includes brief quotes about these examples..

The content of this post is presented for historical, linguistic, and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain witht heir owners.

Thanks to Nicki Minaj for her musical and cultural legacies. hanks also to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this live instagram chat clip on YouTube. 
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Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cxy5sQWlm0&t=49s for Nicki Minaj's complete instagram live stream chat on July 28, 2019. The "Um Big Boobs. What?! Um chile anyways so" comment is at 3:36 in that video.
 
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SELECTED COMMENTS ABOUT NICKI MINAJ'S "WHAT?! UM CHILE ANYWAYS SO" COMMENT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b84NdQXHtKI [This is the link for the video that is embedded in this pancocojams post.

Here are some comments from the discussion thread for this video clip. (This compilation includes a comment that I wrote in that discussion thread.)

Numbers added for referencing purposes only.

1. igby, 2020

"It’s crazy how one little IG live comment started all of this

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2. Hailey Marie grande, 2021
"Out of all the comments, she spotted that one LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

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3. CloudBomb3r, 2020
"is this where it started"

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4. renΓ©e, 2020
"no. the word “chile” was used for years. it’s aave."
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Ibelieve that the commenter was asking is this where the “um chile anyways so” meme  came from. The answer is "Yes". 

"AAVE"  is African American Vernacular English.

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5. Eman Azizi, 2020
"This live gave birth to so many memes."

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6. Cavalier P3,2020
"Up until now, every time I heard someone say the word chile online I thought they were referring to the country. πŸ˜‚"

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7. μš©μ€€λ‹ˆμ½œ, 2020
"Same, I thought they were writing bad: "chill" Until it became something I saw every day and I decided to find out what they really meant lol"

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8. running, 2020
"ugh the locals ran "Chile" to the ground. they ruin everything"
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Here's an explanation of the twitter term "the locals":
From https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/locals-twitter/
Tiffany Kelly Internet Culture Posted on Mar 12, 2018   Updated on May 21, 2021, 10:07 pm CDT
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Twitter users are constantly creating new slang. A few recent examples include mood, chapstick and mascara Twitter, and stan. Now there’s another term that everyone is throwing around the social site: locals. What are locals? According to various online sources, locals are uncool people (sometimes from your hometown) who don’t understand Twitter lingo. Urban Dictionary calls them a “less cringey term for “normies.”

https://twitter.com/wrathofthehands/status/970829996116803584

Locals are often seen as people who need someone to explain internet culture to them."
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Example #28 is another comment in this discussion thread that includes the slang term "the locals". 

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9. m, 2020
"I always thought they were saying Ciao ("bye" in a language that i forgot)"

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10. Hange Zoe, 2020
"the person who texted big boobs really changed history-"

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11. hyzaa, 2020
"We know its “child” we just spell it as “chile” because honestly “ciao” doesn’t make sense-"

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12. Sadiaisrat happy, 2020
" @hyzaa  ciao means hi in Italian"

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13. xarissx, 2020
" @Sadiaisrat happy  then why do people use it as bye lmao I’m confused"

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14. Sadiaisrat happy,2020
"@xarissx  ciao can be used as bye and hello

I'm Italian"

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15. Strawbeerryy Mermaida, 2021
"I literally kept saying it like chile. As in the pepper"

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16. chaiboi, 2021
"no, it’s an AAVE. Nicki Minaj just made it popular, it’s been here for generations..."

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17. Corpsdice, 2021
"the confusion in her face when she read “big boobs” always gets me πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚"

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18.  
Te, 2020
"All us black people:

Chile = Child

 

All other people:

Chile = ??? Chile pepper? Chile, South America.. ??? DERP DERP DERP?"

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19. Ashanti Gardner, 2020
"@γ‚·Gabriela  basing it off the comments"

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20. Reb, 2020
"Chile doesn’t mean child LMAOO πŸ’€"

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21.  E, 2020
"Tiktokers: m e m e"

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22. Te, 2020 
"@Reb  yesssss it doess... ......only black people generally say chiiiiiiile bye or chiiiiiiile please and it's a colloquialism you'd mostly hear amongst blacks in the south..... it means child but slang. But with appropriation running rampant....I wouldn't be surprised if non blacks stay using it."

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Trashchild, 2020
"@Reb 

um yes it is

It’s apart of African American Vernacular English (AAVE) is the variety formerly known as Black English Vernacular or Vernacular Black English among sociolinguists, and commonly called Ebonics outside the academic community.

basically how african americans pronounce words child>chile

it ain’t some tiktok/twitter slang πŸ™„

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24. Terrah E, 2020
" @Reb  it definitely means child it’s aave for child..."

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25.  s a i, 2020
"I'm black and I pronounced it a sign the country CHILE in the beginning lmaoo"

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26. AliveAndUnwell, 2020 
"im black and i thought it was from stan twitter i-πŸ’€"

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27. Lazarine Munroe, 2020 
"@Trashchild  tbh lol yall taking this mad far its not really like a slang, probably for you but thats how, us (including nicki sometimes) trinidadians speak "

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28. jude, 2020
"ugh omg the locals 😹😹😹😹 they found chile 😿😿😿😼😼😼 i’m so alt 😹😹😹😹😻😻😻😻😾😾😼😼😼😽😽"

 
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29. 
alaina, 2020
"@jude  the fact that the ppl saying this stole it from black women too lmao"

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30. dezz, 2020
"i keep on finding 14 year old white copy and pastes on roblox saying “Um Chill anyways so..” its so cringy. and everybody keeps thinking nicki minaj made up that word. its been apart of aave for long."

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31. 
maikol, 2020
"@Parris -_-  ok so anybody of any other race can't say any of it because African American people made it?"

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32. Parris -_-, 2020 
"@maikol  Every race can use aave, but they either have to understand where the dialect came from(African Americans) or be raised around people who use aave"

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33. maikol, 2020 
"@Parris -_-  ah, okay"

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34. 
Emercyn K.
"It's pronounced child!? πŸ‘πŸ‘„πŸ‘ I've been saying chill-ee all this time..."

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35. 
_ Aliencentral _, 2020 
"
Same πŸ˜­πŸ˜‚"

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36. 
cherxii, 2020
"
Whats wrong with yall πŸ˜­"

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37. Vidhi Raina, 2020
 "
People need to stop being so confused."

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38. 
Angel Ezemba, 2021
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Then stop using aave. It’s child. African American vernacular English. We just keep the d in silent. This word exist since slavery. My mom got a Chile, she got a Chile, they got a Chile. Chile is child. Y’all ist use it for everything now and destroyed it."
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I believe that the word "ist" is a shortened form of the word "bi-tch" that is written and spoken that way to make it more socially acceptable.


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39. 
HeloΓ­sa Teixeira, 2020
"Someone can explain to me the meaning of “Chile”, I’m still learning english ☺️"

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40. unknownmachinax, 2020 
"I got you Its southern slang for child it's like if you talked slick to you parents and they said "child pleaseee your still young go bac to hitting them books" "

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41. Angel Ezemba, 2021
"@SaBria Washington  what r u talkin? It’s literally just African American vernacular English and means CHILD

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42. Azizi Powell, 2023
@Angel Ezemba, as your comments indicate, the word "chile" originated a looong time ago as a Southern African American Vernacular English/Southern United States region way of saying "child". The plural form of "chile" is "chirren" (also spelled "chillen" and "chillun"), but those words appears to be seldom used in the late 20th and in the 21st century.

The affectionate referent "honey chile" is an early form of the word "chile". Eventually people dropped the ending word "chile" and just used the complimentary word "honey". In the 20th century and sometimes nowadays "chile" has the meaning of "friend" and not an actual youngster,  particularly when it was/is used by African American females. Later, "chile" began to be used as a put down for the person being addressed. Two examples of this usage are  the common AAVE sentence "Chile, please" and Nicki Minaj's quote "Um chile anyways so".  Those putdowns (insults) imply/are short hand ways of saying that those people are acting childish (foolish).

All this to say that what the AAVE word "chile" means is complicated and saying that "chile"  has the exact same meaning as the word "child" isn't really true."

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43. 
yelan 🌊, 2020 
"When my friends said "chile anyways" I was so confused and though they were saying "chill-AY anyways" so I had to look this up πŸ’€"

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44. soph, 2020 
"its so funny how people are hearing this from her for the FIRST TIME like I hear this anytime I'm with family😭"

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45. Turquoise Stranger, 2021
"Same, whats funnier is they're calling it gen z language when it existed from eons ago"

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46. Rigby, 2020
"It’s crazy how one little IG live comment started all of this"

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47. candychan, 2020 
"Chile” in this context is pronounced like “child” but with a silent D. It’s African American Vernacular English, and anyone who thinks it’s pronounced “chilly” or “chillay” has obviously never been around black people lmao. I’m white and I knew this my whole life."

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48. Keith Foester, 2021
"um child anyways so"

-Onika Tanya Maraj-Petty"

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49. Giyuu Tomioka, 2022
" “Um chile anyways so” is carrying tiktok single handedly.."

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50. Stalin Gordon, 2021
"This is one of the most used sounds on tick tock 🀣"

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MY SPECULATIVE INTERPRETATION OF NICKI MINAJ'S "WHAT?! UM CHILE ANYWAYS SO" COMMENT
"What?! Um chile anyways so" is a shortened comment that consists of the abbreviated sentence "Um chile" (which is prefaced by the word "What?!"), the word "anyways" and the word "so".

I believe that one way this comment could be interpreted is:
What?! Um, whoever was foolish enough to write "big boobs" in my instagram chat, [You really don't want me to go there because I could forget all about my instagram, celebrity persona and lash out on your ass.  But, I'm gonna play pass what you wrote and gonna move right along and read other comments in this instagram chat. 
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What do you think Nicki Minaj's shortened comment means?  

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ARTICLE: NO CHILE" IS NOT STAN CULTURE" - IT'S AAVE 

[AAVE- AFRICAN AMERICAN VERNACULAR ENGLISH]

https://girlsunited.essence.com/article/aave-language-chile/ No, “Chile” Is Not Stan Culture—It’s AAVE by Brooklyn White, August 3, 2020

"Give credit where credit is due.

The internet is a messy melting pot.

This knowledge has slowly led to it becoming a digital form of globalization, much to the chagrin of Black people. Through the advent of the world wide web, we’ve watched the spread of ideas, sounds, techniques, and language, but with that has come confusion about the proper origins of widely used terms. For an uncomfortable amount of time, we’ve watched words and phrases like “chile” and “periodt” enter the mass lexicon, while stan communities take the credit for either their creation or use. But this linguistic form of cultural appropriation is problematic, because it robs Black people of their role as innovators.

Over the weekend, the internet bubbled with an exhausting, but apparently necessary, conversation about the origin of the AAVE term “chile.” Black folks of all ages swore that it’s a southern pronunciation of the word “child,” while certain internet circles believed that it was invented in late 2019 and that its popularization was due to stan Twitter. The latter encourages mystery and anger, since Black people have had to tolerate insults about our relationship with the English language, only to have our slang taken and accredited to others.

y’all really let this yt woman sit up and here and boldly tell black people AAVE is “stan culture” i’m sick pic.twitter.com/QjD4mixEr0

— flo millicent stan account ... July 31, 2020

The idea of “stanning” is inspired by Eminem’s 2000 song about a crazed super fan who’s willing to do anything to gain proximity to his idol. I’m sure it wasn’t meant to become a verb, much less a welcomed community name, but two decades later, here we are. Today, stans tend to huddle up to discuss, ruthlessly defend and promote the work of the celebrity of their choosing. At their most intense, they almost appear to occupy a separate universe completely dedicated to the object of their affection. They are thought to have their own way of speaking, but the conversations are largely built on the backs of Black people, and often more specifically, Black members of the LGBTQ+ community.

[...]

The exact origins of Black people using “chile” to describe children, or to simply refer to one another, are muddled. As one Twitter user pointed out, “chile” was used in the 1978 film “The Wiz,” but the beginnings of the phrase extend beyond then as well. My Generation X-born aunt (b. 1974) aging grandmother (b. 1953) and deceased great-grandmother (b. 1916) all were born in Louisiana, and use[d] “chile” as a term of endearment. Since stan twitter is a relatively new concept (though it has roots in early online forums,) there is no way that it’s use of “chile” predates Black, southern, in-person use.

“Melting pot” is used to describe the exchange of culture within America, completely ignoring the abuse and purposely misplaced credit that allows this pot to exist. The same idea applies to internet stans who are so tethered to believing their style of communication is unique, that they can’t believe they are not the beginning or end of speech that is ultimately Black.

Whew chile.”

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