Edited by Azizi Powell
This post showcases the Afro House record entitled "Happiness" by the South African duo "Mafikizolo" featuring Nigerian "May D".
The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Mafikizolo and May D for their musical legacy. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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LYRICS: HAPPINESS
(as sung by Mafikizolo featuring May D)
Lerato le monate ha ona le lona pelong ya hao
Ha o sena lerato o jwalo ka tshipi, e bakang medumo fela
Entse ere kelekelekeke kelekelekeke kelekelekeke
Don't worry x3
[VERSE 1: Theo]
Weh mama, sthandwa se nhliziyo yami
I call you mama, you gon' call me papa
Weh mama, sthandwa se nhliziyo yami
I call you mama, you gon' call me papa
Uyangijabulisa, uyangiphambanisa
Uyangijabulisa, uyangiphambanisa
[CHORUS]
You make me happy, ungiyenza happy
You make me happy, ungiyenza happy
Don't worry
[VERSE 2: May D]
If you're happy, I am happy, we are happy, Happy people x2
Got no worries, got no worries, we ain't got no worries x2
VERSE 3: Nhlanhla
Oh my goodo, I'm in love with this man
He makes me so happy, he make me wanna go - he banna
Pu pu pu pu pu puuu, papa weeeeh
Lerato le monate ha ona le lona pelong ya hao
Ha o sena lerato o jwalo ka tshipi, e bakang medumo fela
Entse ere king king kin kiring king king, king king kin kiring king king
[CHORUS]
[BRIDGE]
Jabulile eh x4
Ke tla go rekela di pompom, pomporom popom pompom
Source: http://bimba.co.za/mafikizolo/reunited/happiness
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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Official Mafikizolo feat May D – Happiness
Kalawa Jazmee, Published on Oct 4, 2013
Mafikizolo featuring May D Happiness
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"Mafikizolo" = two South Africans: Theo Kgosinkwe and Nhlanhla Nciza.
May D is from Nigeria.
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD
Here are selected comments from this video's discussion thread.
The comments are given in chronological order with the oldest comments given first, except for replies. I've added a brief explanatory notes for some of vernacular terms used in these comments.
I've also numbered these comments for referencing purposes only.
2014
1. Ade Aderinto2 years ago
These guys are simple wicked!!!
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"Wicked" here means "very good".
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2. MissLindo Sindane
"Aw! I love the ending where they hugging and stuff...AFRICA UNITE"
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3. retia b
"As a child I have been to exposed by Mafkizol..this is a perfect song for African unity...just as much as sa is diverse so is other as African state should mingle to show case our afro centric culture....we are mooi when we are united in one in the Africa hub..mama Afrika baie lief vir jou..."
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4. slam2dunkz63
"south africa, nigeria with masaai swag from kenya"
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"Swag" here means Masaai style "clothing and jewelry".
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5. Ronald Motlhokodise
"South africa FT Nigeria im feelin the african love. peace to my africans"
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6. Lwandlekazi Mda
"Thay're talking about love."
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7. afriqanqeen
"I love the collaboration shows we Africans are starting to unite."
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8. Kwapi Vengesayi
"I love the South African and Nigerian collaboration on this. This is a beautiful example of what Africa should be on so many different levels—artistically, politically, socially, economically. This is more than just a song to me but a great example of what we should be as a people and continent. Then maybe we'll find 'Happiness' haha"
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9. Joe Nathan
and the hits just keep on coming...... gr8 song and the video shoee!! guys u rock....make SA Proud keep it up
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10. Odwa Ngwexana
"Africa uniting...i love this track :-)"
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11. Shareen Phalakahla
"I love when Africans work together, some of us have had enough of the hatred that fills the African continent. Viva Africa! Great track, excellent video."
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12. hans kate2 years ago
Mafikizolo u guyz r di bomb! Love ur music
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"The bomb" is an African American vernacular word meaning "very good" ("dynomite", very hot etc.).
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13.Tjay Nónii
"Mafikizolo's dressing is always on point"
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"on point" = exactly right
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14. Rainier
"Gosh I am in love with Africa especially their dance and music,"
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15. sitarara augustinus
"This guys are the best, i like their new musics, especialy the house once... They are rocking my world. Africa stand up for them please........!!!!
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"Stand up for them" means "support them".
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Faith Bwibo
16. "Dope song! I love the Maasai outfits too! Melting pot of Africa in one song :)"
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"Dope" = African American Vernacular English word meaning "very good" ("sick").
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17. comfort bassey
"This tune is BANGERRRRRRRRRR!!!!
And i love lady's style .. She's so classy and Stunning!!!"
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I'm not sure where the slang word "banger" comes from but I assume it means the same thing as "dope", "the bomb", tuuune", "very good" etc.
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18. dj brown breezyboy
"Big tune for 2014, mafikizolo for life"
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"Big tune" is a Jamaican vernacular term that means "a big hit"/ "a very good song".
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19. Brenda Wright
"NYC luvs this song..thanks Guys"
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20. Thapelo Tsiako
"nyc one"
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"nyc" is a hip way of saying “nice” (meaning- very good)
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21. Msp Videos
"oOoh my god oOo am in LOVE with this man, he makes me sooooo happpy ehh ehh (^^,)...u mke me happy ungenza happy!!...<3 #MyTune !!"
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22. movha penal Ramovha
"Tuuuuuuuune"
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The custom of using the word "tune" in this way comes from the Caribbean. "Tune" here means the same thing as "This is my jam", "This song is the bomb", and "I really love this song". "Tune" may also mean the same thing as the comment "nyc one" given directly above.
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23. Maven Phoenix
"love the doo woop African style at 2.09"
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24. Caroline Murote
"I LOVE the KENYAN attire on this..The Red plaid drapes & the neck & arm pieces, the MAASAI people should be proud to see their dressing is putting Kenya on the map :)"
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25. Aika Jonas
"kenyan and Tanzanian attire"
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26. Stephanie Kirathe
"not maasai..its the official Kenyan and Tanzanian attire"
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27. Caroline Murote
"You know what I mean though..It was theirs originally...But thanks for the clarity."
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28. Just Laurriette
"This is what we need. Africans joining together. From Zimbabwe I am proud of this SA-Naija blend!!! An amazing song, beat & peoples, that reminds us all that we are one"
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"From Zimbabwe" probably means that the blogger is from Zimbabwe.
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29. Miss Bee Mikaela
"this is pure awesomeness n so rich in culture and diversity. . .love the concept of the maasai,both kenyan and tanzanian, nigeria and south africa itself, not to leave out western themes.great work,looking forward to more like this."
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30. nancy manley
"PLEASE, , WHAT LANGUAGE IS THIS"
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31. TheLoxionKasie
"Zulu, Sotho, English and what's almost like Pidgin English. If South Africans are on the song, you will likely find a mixture of languages (South Africans jump between languages when they speak to each other). May D is Nigerian. He sings in English."
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Read #56 & #57 for other responses to this question.
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32. shanice jackson
"Nice songs but why use Kuduro beats"
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuduro
"Kuduro (or kuduru) is a type of music and dance originally developed in Angola in the 1980s. It is characterized as uptempo, energetic, and danceable."...
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33. Whoonga Goat (ZeroChill)
"these are not kuduro beats, it's afro house we've been using these kind of drum progressions for years"
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34. shanice jackson
"Uuum! I guess u guys have same beats as Angolans...coz I could have sworn thy sound simillar.."
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35. Jabulani Bhebhe2 years ago
"The way you say it is like they are not allowed to use them"
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36. nellya1
"+hanice jackson was thinking the same....their beat is similar to angolan music"
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37. Madaleno Ferreira
"beautfull.
It don't matter of kuduro beat is, all is Afrika and I love this.
Afrika the best."
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38. Mizzo Dal Rio
"What's the name of the woman singer please???"
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39. TheLoxionKasie
"Nhlanhla Ncinza. If I taught you how to pronounce that, I'd have to ...
Nhlanhla is Zulu/Xhosa for "we are fortunate to have been blessed with this beautiful baby". Nhlanhla = good fortune."
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40. Mizzo Dal Rio
"+TheLoxionKasie Thank you so much!!! For the translate too, I'm Yoruba man."
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41. Sumaiyah 46
"i can see azonto dance has gone around the world realy faste
I'm really happy to be an African, a CONTINENT OF BEAUTY IN CULUTURE, ART, MUSIC I WOULD SAY IN EVERTHING
THANK YOU GOD"
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42. OKUHLE MZINYATHI
"AZONTO is just how Africans dance.....Coz i know South Africans that will jump high and say Azonto is South African dance while its not......the truth is we dance the same way, just different here and there, the basics are the same"
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44. benard wandera
"I used to wonder the Masaai attire came in.....proudly African. I love MAFIKIZOLO"
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2015
45. BULALI RAMJAH NGCAYICIBI1 year ago
I'm not a house person but Mafikizolo killed it! these guys are one of the South African groups that make me proud to be African, but not just any African, South African! keep it up guys.
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"In the statement "I'm not a house person", the word "house" refers to the music genre called "House". This type of House music is "Afro-House".
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46. okpe samuel
"My best part is the "kinkirinrikinkinkinkin"...lol.I love the song.:-)"
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47. odinese nwad
"Same here I love dat part badly"
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48. Princess Fakudze
"MAKES THE 3 OF US LOL"
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49. MissLindo Sindane
"+okpe samuel lol and its so funny cause he's just saying "if you don't have love, you're just like an empty can making noise like......kililikiikikiki"
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2016
50. Babatunde Arogundade
"This music has spread like fire in Nigeria, if you don't play it in a party or club is not it."
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51. JOHN “Mr CRUEL” MC DANIEL'S
"+OKUHLE MZINYATHI What MAFIKIZOLO means ,sister ?????"
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52. KUHLE MZINYATHI6 months ago
"+JOHN MC DANIELS Means 'New Comer'"
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53. steady rock
"what is meaning of Magudo ?"
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54. Tiffany Mbiba
"My God"
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55. Nasralina Abdull
"can someone tell me the language they song it's really nice"
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56. shesBlessed83
"Setswana"
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57. shesBlessed83
"+shesBlessed83 and Zulu. Setswana and Zulu then add English"
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Sunday, September 11, 2016
Attitudes About Homosexuality In A Discussion Thread For A South African Music Video
Edited by Azizi Powell
This post documents attitudes about homosexuality in a discussion thread for the 2013 YouTube video "Khona" by Mafikizolo featuring Uhuru.
The official video for that song is also embedded in this post along with brief information about what that song means.
An excerpt from an online article about homosexuality in South Africa is provided as background before that video and comment compilation.
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The content of this post is presented for historical, sociological, and cultural purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to all those who are featured in or are associated with the production of this video. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post.
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EXCERPT FROM WIKIPEDIA PAGE ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY IN SOUTH AFRICA
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_South_Africa "LGBT rights in South Africa"
"South Africa has a complex and diverse history regarding LGBT rights. The legal and social status of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people has been influenced by a combination of traditional South African mores, colonialism, and the lingering effects of apartheid and the human rights movement that contributed to its abolition. South Africa's post-apartheid constitution was the first in the world to outlaw discrimination based on sexual orientation, and South Africa was the fifth country in the world, and the first—and, to date, only—in Africa, to legalise same-sex marriage. Same-sex couples can also adopt children jointly, and also arrange IVF and surrogacy treatments. Nevertheless, LGBT South Africans continue to face considerable challenges, including social stigma, homophobic violence (particularly corrective rape), and high rates of HIV/AIDS infection."...
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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Official MAFIKIZOLO ft Uhuru KHONA
Kalawa Jazmee Published on Apr 19, 2013
KALAWA JAZMEE RECORDS PRESENTS MAFIKIZOLO KHONA
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This video presents the award winning South African duo Mafikizolo featuring Uhuru, another South African vocalist. This genre of music is called "Afro House" and Zulu is the language that is used for this song.
As of the date and time of this post's publication, this video has received 7,437,123 total views and has 2,926 comments.
Here's one comment from that video's discussion thread about the group Mafikizolo:
TheLoxionKasie, 2014
..."Mafikizolo came out when there were a lot of bigger stars in the Kwaito music scene in South Africa. Their roots are kwaito, but this is obviously house music. To understand South African house, it helps to read up on the music of the 80s, then kwaito (which really was house beats slowed down) and then the re-emergence of house proper in Pretoria in the late 80s/early 90s."
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Here are four comments that provide explanations in English about the song's title and its overall meaning:
Chelseababe 1, 2015
..."Khona means “there” in Zulu (South Africa) and [the song] is about getting their love back from someone they once loved."...
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kelsey sinkala, 2014
"For those that want to know what Khona means here it goes: it means "There or that place,so all of them that are there or [in] that sad place should come back.It is a sad plea. It is a unification of their sad experiences as individuals . So their calling back their long lost loved ones to come back.
Where is my love?
Please return it,
To where you found it
I want it to return to me,
From that place.
So that is the basic gist of the song.Hope that helps."
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DeeNutella Styles, 2016 [written in response to a question about the meaning of the word "khona"]
""where is my love”
cela ulibuyisele – “Please return it”
Lapho ulithathe – “where you took it”
Ngiyalifuna – “where it came from”
Lapho liphuma – “where is arose”
Ngiyalifun – “I want it”
Libuyisele, sele – “Return it”"
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Kitte Kat, 2016
"Khona is a sad plea, being an euphemism for death’s hades and cracks of a broken heart. About loved ones gone and a plea to come back. One of the Trio of Mafikizolo, Tebogo Madingoane was shot after an argument. Theo Kgosinkwe lost his love; Rose, who is either his sister, daughter or lover. Nhlanhla Nciza, the beautiful lady singer lost her 5 year old daughter in a car accident. Uhuru sings about his deceased mum. For more info and the lyrics http://www.nairaland.com/1518502/khona-mafikizolo-actually-song-dead "khona’ By Mafikizolo Is Actually A Song For The Dead".
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SELECTED COMMENTS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE YOUTUBE DISCUSSION THREAD FOR THE OFFICIAL VIDEO OF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhk52GlkhVA
Pancocojams Editor's Notes
Most of the comments in that video's complete discussion thread don't refer to the subject of homosexuality. Instead, most of the commenters praise the vocalists, dancers, the song, and the video production, and indicate that "Mafikizolo's record "Khona" is a mega hit in their nations.
This compilation presents a representative portion of individual comments and sub-thread comments (comments plus replies) from that discussion thread and doesn't purport to include all of the comments to date (September 11, 2016) that refer to the subject of homosexuality.
Because this compilation is representative of the wide range of comments about homosexuality in that discussion thead, I've included comments that are quite homophobic. By no means am I supportive of the attitudes and opinions expressed by those homophobic commenters.
Some commenters use the referents "fags" or "faggots". For the record, I don't support the use of those pejorative referents.
Some comments include profanity. As per the policies of this blog, I've used amended spelling for profanity. However, for this specific pancocojams post, I've retained the amended spelling for profanity that some commenters used.
With regard to demographics, it's likely that most if not all of the commenters are Black men or Black women. In one of these comments, a blogger indicates that everyone participating in that video discussion is Black. That is likely not true- and certainly can't be proven given that participants in YouTube discussion threads may be anonymous and may post under another person's name, even if that person's profile picture is Black. Also participation in any YouTube discussion thread is free and open to anyone who signs into that internet website.. For example, read this comment from Kamile Gae (2016)
"Im white but I always felt inlove with African beat and music Its so attracting and effective with big power of rhythm and beat :) And dont understand also what they say but Its makes me to learn of this language to be able to sing as well as they do"
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Although they may not be included in this compilation, I recall reading comments from the Middle East, Europe, Asia, South America, the Caribbean, and the United States. These comments may often consist of only the blogger's name and their nation's name. Those "shout outs" demonstrate that the song under discussion is known in that particular nation.
Also, the fact that these comments are from a YouTube discussion thread for a South African music video doesn't mean that all the commenters in that discussion are from the nation of South Africa. That said, it's likely that a large number of the participants are from South Africa. And it's also likely that most of the participants are from some African nation as indicated in their comments. But, based on their comments, at least two commenters are from the United States and at least one commenter is from the UK.
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These comments are presented in chronological order with the oldest comments given first except for replies. However, these comments may not be in consecutive order.
I've assigned numbers for referencing purposes only.
2014
1. bigboyvit mbiko
"Not proud that too much the Gay dancers at the beginning irritates our pure black culture otherwise its great."
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2.TeanoZ
"WTF?
Homosexuality isn't a cultural thing! Its Biological!"
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3. bigboyvit mbiko
"Don't put a comment if u find this post homophobic I repeat"
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4. bigboyvit mbiko
"+TeanoZ since when it's been bilogical?? Was this the Freedom that Mandela fought for us even God created man to be man woman to be woman"
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5. TeanoZ
"Homosexuality has always been around, it's not a new thing!
And don't dare bring Mandela into this matter, he fought for FREEDOM and Human Rights, not the discrimination of people based on sexuality!
Gay men are still men! Gender is determined by ones sexual organs, not by who they chose to sleep with!
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6. bigboyvit mbiko
"+TeanoZ have you ever search on YouTube to find out whether heaven or hell exist?? If u haven't then search for videos of people who said God showed them hell you be so shocked if you watch these videos take all of them and compare them to see who's lying,you even gonna find an African testimony which is similar to an American testimony Hell is real don't adopt western thoughts of setting sin to freedom,everything that is not associated with the word is sin, not only Homosexuality God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for many reasons.Had it been there wasn't a place like hell I would have said let sinners have rights.. "
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7. bigboyvit mbiko
"Africans went through slavery why should they receive the torment of Gods wrath don't just allow anything to destroy you completely wake up."
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8. Boitumelo Mak
"+bigboyvit mbiko Actually South Africa's post-apartheid constitution was the first in the world to outlaw discrimination based on sexual orientation, and South Africa was the fifth country in the world, and the first in Africa, to legalise same-sex marriage...so yes that is exactly the sort of Freedom Nelson fought for...that was his constitution. Please do not bring Nelson into this if you r going to say such ignorant things"
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[Commenter Adekunle Abiodun used a lot of profanity to basically say that people shouldn't care who someone else has sex with.]
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9. bigboyvit mbiko
"+Adekunle Abiodun it has something to do with culture tho it's not common in other EUROPEAN countries it's only For America and UK, I've been all over Europe you can't see a gay couple in Germany,swizz,Poland,Spain or in some European countries and they don't give any hints about homosexuality,they only tell you Africans to agree that because they give us Aid,do u think OBAMA OR CAMERON would tell Germany or Russia to push the Gay Agenda wouldn't that be imperialism?? You need to read more books all travel the world to see different cultures,most people can't speak or write English we Africans are better than them 4 example East Europeans,they were never colonized by west there countries were powerful in those days,its only we Africans who can't stand for ourselves because they give us books to read and they taught English they want to control to Control us,since when have we Africans come open to be gay?? Is it cause we watching American and British programs or did it come from our ancestors or is it in our mind or are we brain washed??"
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10. TeanoZ
"+bigboyvit mbiko Homosexuality is extremely prevalent in Europe!
One of the German Ministers in government is gay. The Netherlands is one of the "gay capitals" of the world. In fact, same sex marriage is recognized in ALL of Western Europe.
You're obviously not as well traveled as you claim!"
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11. Sarfaraz Hussein Merchant
"+bigboyvit mbiko No sociologist, psychologist or scientist would agree with you. Homophobia is an example cultural imperialism imposed on Africans through religion. "
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[Another statement from bigboyvit mbiko such as those given above.]
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12. Victor 'Simar
"Bigots like you irritate our pure Black culture. Hateful disgraceful creature!"
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13. bigboyvit mbiko
"Irritate in what way mate muslims dont take acohol or eat pork has anyone protested on why they should do that. our pure black culture is not homosexual,we were enslaved and colonized that's why we are lost,have u ever seen anyone in the middle east telling You that there gay??? Don't be ridiculous"
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14. Joshua Boole
"+bigboyvit mbiko pretty sure there is a death penalty for being "gay" in most of "the middle east"
Stands to reason they wouldn't bring up the fact with much of anyone."
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15. Sphamandla Zulu
"Didn't see gay dancers, I just saw dancers. Don't be that person guy"
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16. bigboyvit mbiko
"If I dint see any gay dancers then why was I arguing with People"
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17. Baby T
"+bigboyvit mbiko you don't just wake up one morning to be gay. Its not a disease that's you can turn on or of or spread. No country is to blame for the influence of homosexuality. The reason why some people are afraid to come out gay in Africa is because of uneducated ignorant people like you. And BTW I'm a lesbian and African and proud. Oops come at me bro!"
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18. bigboyvit mbiko
"The only way you show more ignorance is when you copy things from somewhere I dispute all the Bullsh&t* that your talking about When God made u woman he knew that there were men outthere unless you wanna live like English or Americans and end up in hell because them they even say that God doesn't exist plus I live in UK I know the whole truth behind this Gay thing."
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*The complete spelling is used for this word in that comment.
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19. bigboyvit mbiko
"+Atari Viktoria Promoting Gay culture in Africa is what has brought Boko Haram,r u happy with that?? Boko Haram means Against western education"
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20. Baby T
"+bigboyvit mbiko boko haram has other reasons to attack not just gays. But what is the relevance between homosexuality and education?"
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21. bigboyvit mbiko
"The relevance between homosexuality and education?? Have you forgot that you just said I was ignorant where did you get that From?? Education means learning. Education is not only school If you live in Places like America or UK they're now teaching people about Homosexuality about Homophobia and all that,On Boko Haram,did you recently heard that Nigeria Banned Homosexulity?? The main reason behind was the rise of extremist who are against the Government by allowing Gay activities in there country it would let to the rise of Terror and Extremist."
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22. Mihir shah
"+bigboyvit mbiko hi dummy. did you know white people fooled you africans into believing god said this and god said that. god himself hasnt done a great job by giving birth to an incompetent race. You see when you don't remember that it was colonialism that brought you this fake religion of yours that they themselves don't follow because they realised its utter bullsh&t*. you my friend are a bigotted and misinformed person about life in general. whatever knowledge you have gained from the bible is actually just a story. I really hope you are not catholic. its not gays that have brought out boko haram. you live in the uk and are claiming you know a lot and western education is ruining africa. I am sorry to tell you its not. If you live in the Uk and not africa, Please do not speak on behalf of all the africans who actually do live here unlike you who ran away. Please keep your ignorant brain at bay so your fingers don't end up typing something stupid like you just have.
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*This word is fully spelled out in that comment.
That sub- thread includes several more comments in which bigboyvit mbiko insults Mihir shah writing "your name doesn't sound like African you seem Asian".
bigboyvit mbiko further writes "your the one who must stay away from this forum stop the Prejudice and unravel your stupid tantrum.I have the right to express my views with issues concerning Africa and that does not mean am speaking on behalf of Africans."
bigboyvit mbiko also writes that he bets that Mihir shah is an Indian and says "their Hindu religion means that they should "bow down to animals" and they want to "take Africa as yours"...
To date, that sub-thread ends with that comment.
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23. Jayb Bee
"Gay ass video"
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24. Jayb Bee
"Yea... gay video"
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25. Jayb Bee
"Yea... gay video"
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26. alwayz
"+Jayb Bee such an awesome song and all you can say is " gay video ? " Not shallow at all !"
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27. simamukele khanyile
"get one person to sign u, compose a hit song and make a video that will at least get you 500 000 views on Youtube, then u can judge which videos are gay and which are not, but until then, get a life and take off those glasses, ngathi igwinya elishile elidayisa emgaqweni..."
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These Zulu words may be profanity.
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28. Jayb Bee
"F&&k* yu always.... gay ass too"
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29. Jayb Bee
"+alwayz f&&k* yu
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*The complete spelling is used in this comment.
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30. simamukele khanyile
"* waiting for the hit song *"
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31. Jayb Bee
"+simamukele khanyile w/o maame tw3.... stupid fool... such people's promoting gay in Africa. .. fire burn yu... aboa kwa..."
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These last two words may be profanity.
This is all the comments in that particular sub-thread.
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32. Adnan Kashogi
"South Africa has a gay problem"
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33. msawenkosi mkhize
"Yes it's not an African culture but we can't wish them away can we? Anyways they are not killing any1 so lets leave them be. It's their lives, they should spend them as they see fit."
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34, Tsholofelo Ranyane
"The rest of Africa has a "institutionalizing the ostracizing/imprisoning/killing of people for their sexual preferences" problem. This makes me glad to be a South African living in South Africa :)"
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35. somrazy3
"+Tsholofelo Ranyane
Thank you so much!"
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36. msawenkosi mkhize
"For what somrazy?"
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37. Black NinjaHD
"you racist"
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38. msawenkosi mkhize
"Chikenbone Shifu. What the hell are you talking about? It's all black people talking here. Besides, nobody said anything about race."
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39. Shirley Mlotywa
"loool dude what are u talking about"
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40. Emmanuel Campbell
"+msawenkosiiiP mkhize"
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41. Victorine M.
"I love the the dance moves that are in this video :) #TeamAfrica But what are those gay dancers doing in a African music video ?"
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42. xMaNrEbOrN78
"This is my favourite African song this year! Killer bass! Though the crazy looking guy kinda weirded me out...well that and the guys dancing in drag lol. Awesome video nonetheless"
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43. MrSivram28
"South Africa has too many gays. Geez"
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44. gwandumi mtuhuru
"thoz gay mothafakaz ruined the video....what african we have become? disgusting!"
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45. Terence Makapan
"Go climb back in the hole from which you came you ignorant fool."
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46. Sbonelo Thusi
"lol you have ruined the comments with your hatred toward people"
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47. gwandumi mtuhuru
"r u gay too? my bad...ofcoz i hate em so what?"
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48. gwandumi mtuhuru
"+Terence Makapan
and go fuk yourself fag...."
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49. battementtendu88
"AMAZING!!!! LOOK AT MY BEAUTIFUL BLACK PEOPLE...I LOVE US..EVERY SINGLE ONE...GAY STRAIGHT BISEXUAL TRAN SEXUAL, WE'RE HERE!!!"
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50. Willi Hoeseb
"I see you guys can serve it too, I see my Gays working that floor, you better Work!!! I am so proud of South Africa to be the first country in Africa to recognize Gay rights and feature their artist in stuff like this.I wish Mafikizolo could come out to USA and Bless us here with some of that lava from Home!!! This Singers are awesome, great song will promote it around here in the USA, Will have a friend play it at his club!!! Glad they moved into Tribal House then stick to Kwaito, either way they still Rock!!!"
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51. Pandora
"Too much homo in South Africa,very very sad"
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52. Mzansi4sho
"+Pandora It's everywhere... It's just that in South Africa it's protected by the constitution that's why you see more of it. All countries have it"
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53. Mohamad Gamal
"It's strong music as hell but what about gays"
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54. Zediyah Prods
"The guys in gold are dressed like fags, dont understand it"
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55. simbasugu
"There is a gayy theme going on here. Sad."
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56. Zintle Mvana
"For everyone saying the video is gay, it's not. The dancers are however.South Africans will remember them from Step UP or step Out season 2, their name is VINTAGE"
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57. ooperdoopersnails
"On no gay people! They are taking over the world! Save me!
Some on the comments on this video are incredible. Y'all need to chill out and worry less."
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58. Lopanto Lulu
"+sooperdoopersnails not taking over, just ruining a classy video."
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59. Straw Bee [2016]
"+Lopanto Lulu I think it's people like you who are classless"
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60. Lopanto Lulu [2016]
"+Timothy Otieno Sorry I forgot how classy it was to lust after another mans hairy butthole."
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61. James Kiawu
"This whole video is 65% Gay..Get this right..."
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62. luesInMySoul
"+James Kiawu RIGHT! I thought they frowned upon that sort of thing. It was HELLA gay!"
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63. Tai Tai
"+BluesInMySoul clearly there is a lack of appreciation lurking here. Classy."
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64. BluesInMySoul
"Who the hell are you to tell me what I should appreciate?"
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65. Tai Tai
"But, you see, I didn't tell you what to appreciate. No need for animosity. Stay happy. ✌"
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66. BluesInMySoul
"You are annoying."
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67. Quinton Mtyala
"+James Kiawu In South Africa you can be who you want to be, you are protected by the laws of the country. We have freedom of speech and association...no-one dictates to you what you do in the privacy of your own home."
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68. James Kiawu
"+Obese Burn Victim That up to you and Jacob Zuma...who care about that fake freedom of speech!! Freedom is dangerous to some extent....It is the same freedom of speech that led you people to upgrade your intention concerning Xenophobia!!!!"
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69. James Kiawu
"+Tai Kurosaki But who are you to tell someone to appreciate this kind of crap....this video is gay..take 8 or leave it....."
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70. James Kiawu
"+BluesInMySoul They don frown on it..they kill people recently during the xenophobia, just few months ago!! then they will frown against gay activities.....They suckkkkssss"
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71. Tai Tai
"+James Kiawu If you read my comment carefully and with precision, you would have clearly seen that I did not tell anyone to appreciate anything. There is a distinct difference between stating a simple fact and forcing it upon another individual. Take 8 or leave it. "
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72. James Kiawu1 year ago
"Okay I got this Tai Kurosaki..You such a respectful person..some people will come back insulting and saying crappy things,but naaaah that not you..stay calm, be blezzzzz Gurl."
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73. Quinton Mtyala
"There's absolutely nothing wrong with gay people. They're part of our society, we should not discriminate against them or any social minority. In South Africa no one mentioned that the dancers could possibly be gay we just enjoyed the music video. "
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74. James Kiawu
"That up to you and your xenophobia people..are you gay?? If yes, then no quams....hope you have self-esteem doing it."
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75. Quinton Mtyala
"Not gay but I don't like discrimination. This video has no relation to xenophobia. South Africa is always welcoming to foreignersunless they come here to commit crime. If your peaceful you should come and visit South Africa. Very beautiful and dynamic country. "
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[I didn't include a comment about a blogger's profile picture being gorgeous. I also didn't include the other commenter's thank you reply.]
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76. Reply
TheLoxionKasie
"+BluesInMySoul Who's "they"? This comment is HELLA ignorant."
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77. cjadream7
"Nice song and video. I just don't understand why it's ruined by having guys dancing like females in tights. Black people: please wake up.
ADDED 2/17/2015: PS, to all have been replying, you've been talking to yourselves and none of your comments have been read. Replies now disabled. Have a nice life. :)
ADDED: to +Favour Odoemena below, you can keep your pious, arrogant attitude that some Africans have, as if they're so much better than African Americans. You don't know me or my mindset, idiot. And +Tasha McNabb Moore, please stop trying to be all deep. I can see you're a black female from your profile pic. I have not read your entire dissertation, so you've wasted your time and breath. Another arrogant statement overall, by the way! I grew up around many different types of people too, moron. I am very well able to relate to ANYBODY -- and HAVE -- but when I come to a video just to enjoy music, I don't want to be force-fed mess I don't want to see. I also refuse to take people making sick and retarded comments as if they're making sense when they're not. A few of y'all are plain crazy and delusional, but glad to see there are some with common sense here!"
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78. Jaden3459
"No matter how I look at it and try to understand your point of view, this statement is ignorant and close-minded."
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79. BlackSpartan3
"You are committing the error of assigning gender specific roles and activities. You'll find the world a limited place with that habit. As an alternate and possible (of many possibilities) side: What if, crazy thought, they were homosexual and this is how they chose to expr3ss themselves? Are we to look down upon them as betraying blackness in such a case? Just curious how one so convinced of the suppressive nature of the Western world (suppression which exists) is, herself, suppressed by her own limited perspective in life.
Like I said: More disappointing that frustrating."
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80. C Will
"+cjadream7 Just because you are black does not mean that you have to be Homophobic. Nor are these black people eurocentric. Homosexuality has been in Africa before Colonization, Before slavery, Before the White man got into Africa.
I am black and let me tell you there is nothing wrong with being Gay. Gays are created by God, it is a gift from God. Stop being so narrow minded and judgemental. And live your life like Jesus did: YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
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81. spookymao
"leave ppl be who they want be. if them wanna dance like female isnt your prob i cant agree with your words specially cose u are black and u should know better then others what means not to be accepted for what you are. u should think about it. just watch them and enjoy their soul. your struggle still on cose your soul struggle still on and this goes for all yours comments"
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82. Favour Odoemena
"please do not bring ur western ideas and views on here..this is africa..a man is not determined by the way he dances"
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83. Tasha McNabb Moore
"+cjadream7 I am a black female that is all for black empowerment, I have grown up around all types of people. I cannot express how much I love my people and everything that we stand for. But, I have a question for you and this is honestly coming from a place of trying to understanding, Why do you care how other people choose to live their lives? Is there a strong correlation between their lives and yours? I really try to be understanding to everyone's situation because at the end of the day, no one is perfect. Everyone has a story, everyone has been through something and a lot of people are so quick to judge someone based on one aspect of their being. God forbid you should ever be put in a situation where people hate you JUST BECAUSE, it would probably be a very humbling experience for you. I do not believe that everyone has to agree with one another but what I do believe is, if someone has not set out to hurt you then you should probably leave them alone and worry about yourself instead of spreading hatred. "
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84. Mzala Kay
"South Africa Leads and the rest of Africa follows,Mere fact that you think that the dances and looks are gay means that you are as backward as the asses you rest of Africa is (excuse Moz. I love Moz). The rest of africa is just a big blackhole on the surface of the world. Killing ppl just coz they are gay also proves that. In South Africa straight guys dress up like that are comfortable with their own sexuality and they dont care if someone is gay or not because they are busy with their own lifestyle and sex life and minding their own business and not into other ppls business."
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85. khae74
"I hate this video they shouldnt include gay people its disgusting.."
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86. Brit Baron
"maybe not every culture is ignorant miserable and hateful as you are dummy"
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87. kush mulla
"so sad south africa with GAYs ......africa africa africa WHY"
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88. Whoonga Goat (ZeroChill)
"the only thing sad here is you, what have gay people done to you? nothing, so leave them alone."
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89. BluesInMySoul
"+Timi Goodluck Oh those dancers were GAY"
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90. Tai Tai
"+BluesInMySoul they're gay, so what? Your homophobic vibes are not appreciated here where people come to enjoy good music."
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91. BluesInMySoul
"I have never been afraid of a homo. Go attempt to bully someone else with your name calling."
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92. AfricanSalt
"+kaza Yamba Let the gays be or just ignore them. Every one has an opportunity to pick who they want as life partners, why not them? They are not harming any one, its their body, it's their life. No need for all that hate."
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93. Tai Tai
"+AfricanSalt preach, brother."
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94. aromeo2luv2
"Love the song but just very disappointed by the video. Guys dancing around in tights like girls. Now Africans forcing the gay imagery down out throats too, just sad."
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95. Charles u
"Guys are dancing like fags.i don't like that from African brothers"
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96. Whoonga Goat (ZeroChill)
"no one is forcing anything down your throat, everyone has the right to exist. these guys/group are professional dancers with there own particular style of dancing which the director thought would fit this video that's why they where hired. if you have a problem with seeing gay people then don't complain when a racist has a problem with seeing black people on a music video."
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97. MrSivram28
"Maikizolo is a f&&king* faggot.
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98. Claudia Dhludhlu
"Mafikizolo.... Is not a person, it's a group... Comprising of two members, Nonhlanhla and Theo, if you're going to hate, at least get the facts right"
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99. Zanele Zungu
"Theo is married (to a woman) with kids. Not that it matters if he is gay or not, urggh,so much hate. Do u wanna step out of the closet sir and get some fresh air?"
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2016
100. Cute Monster123
"great song but..why do they look so gay?"
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101. Henry Dube
"don't know, maybe some of them are gay?"
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102. Cute Monster123
"Well I certainly hope not..I don't want to be watching any gay ass dancing when they come for the Koroga Festival this month."
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103. Henry Dube
"+Cute Monster123 are you homophobic?"
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104. Cute Monster123
"Nope ..am just not enthusiastic about watching men behaving like women."
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Henry Dube
105. "+Cute Monster123 that's being homophobic"
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106. Cute Monster123
"Nope..am just being judgy. Homophobic is when you are unable to suppress the urge to drop-kick every gay guy you see."
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107. Lwazi Nzimande
"They are not, but even if they were... what's wrong with that?"
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This post documents attitudes about homosexuality in a discussion thread for the 2013 YouTube video "Khona" by Mafikizolo featuring Uhuru.
The official video for that song is also embedded in this post along with brief information about what that song means.
An excerpt from an online article about homosexuality in South Africa is provided as background before that video and comment compilation.
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EXCERPT FROM WIKIPEDIA PAGE ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY IN SOUTH AFRICA
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_South_Africa "LGBT rights in South Africa"
"South Africa has a complex and diverse history regarding LGBT rights. The legal and social status of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people has been influenced by a combination of traditional South African mores, colonialism, and the lingering effects of apartheid and the human rights movement that contributed to its abolition. South Africa's post-apartheid constitution was the first in the world to outlaw discrimination based on sexual orientation, and South Africa was the fifth country in the world, and the first—and, to date, only—in Africa, to legalise same-sex marriage. Same-sex couples can also adopt children jointly, and also arrange IVF and surrogacy treatments. Nevertheless, LGBT South Africans continue to face considerable challenges, including social stigma, homophobic violence (particularly corrective rape), and high rates of HIV/AIDS infection."...
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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Official MAFIKIZOLO ft Uhuru KHONA
Kalawa Jazmee Published on Apr 19, 2013
KALAWA JAZMEE RECORDS PRESENTS MAFIKIZOLO KHONA
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This video presents the award winning South African duo Mafikizolo featuring Uhuru, another South African vocalist. This genre of music is called "Afro House" and Zulu is the language that is used for this song.
As of the date and time of this post's publication, this video has received 7,437,123 total views and has 2,926 comments.
Here's one comment from that video's discussion thread about the group Mafikizolo:
TheLoxionKasie, 2014
..."Mafikizolo came out when there were a lot of bigger stars in the Kwaito music scene in South Africa. Their roots are kwaito, but this is obviously house music. To understand South African house, it helps to read up on the music of the 80s, then kwaito (which really was house beats slowed down) and then the re-emergence of house proper in Pretoria in the late 80s/early 90s."
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Here are four comments that provide explanations in English about the song's title and its overall meaning:
Chelseababe 1, 2015
..."Khona means “there” in Zulu (South Africa) and [the song] is about getting their love back from someone they once loved."...
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kelsey sinkala, 2014
"For those that want to know what Khona means here it goes: it means "There or that place,so all of them that are there or [in] that sad place should come back.It is a sad plea. It is a unification of their sad experiences as individuals . So their calling back their long lost loved ones to come back.
Where is my love?
Please return it,
To where you found it
I want it to return to me,
From that place.
So that is the basic gist of the song.Hope that helps."
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DeeNutella Styles, 2016 [written in response to a question about the meaning of the word "khona"]
""where is my love”
cela ulibuyisele – “Please return it”
Lapho ulithathe – “where you took it”
Ngiyalifuna – “where it came from”
Lapho liphuma – “where is arose”
Ngiyalifun – “I want it”
Libuyisele, sele – “Return it”"
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Kitte Kat, 2016
"Khona is a sad plea, being an euphemism for death’s hades and cracks of a broken heart. About loved ones gone and a plea to come back. One of the Trio of Mafikizolo, Tebogo Madingoane was shot after an argument. Theo Kgosinkwe lost his love; Rose, who is either his sister, daughter or lover. Nhlanhla Nciza, the beautiful lady singer lost her 5 year old daughter in a car accident. Uhuru sings about his deceased mum. For more info and the lyrics http://www.nairaland.com/1518502/khona-mafikizolo-actually-song-dead "khona’ By Mafikizolo Is Actually A Song For The Dead".
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SELECTED COMMENTS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE YOUTUBE DISCUSSION THREAD FOR THE OFFICIAL VIDEO OF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhk52GlkhVA
Pancocojams Editor's Notes
Most of the comments in that video's complete discussion thread don't refer to the subject of homosexuality. Instead, most of the commenters praise the vocalists, dancers, the song, and the video production, and indicate that "Mafikizolo's record "Khona" is a mega hit in their nations.
This compilation presents a representative portion of individual comments and sub-thread comments (comments plus replies) from that discussion thread and doesn't purport to include all of the comments to date (September 11, 2016) that refer to the subject of homosexuality.
Because this compilation is representative of the wide range of comments about homosexuality in that discussion thead, I've included comments that are quite homophobic. By no means am I supportive of the attitudes and opinions expressed by those homophobic commenters.
Some commenters use the referents "fags" or "faggots". For the record, I don't support the use of those pejorative referents.
Some comments include profanity. As per the policies of this blog, I've used amended spelling for profanity. However, for this specific pancocojams post, I've retained the amended spelling for profanity that some commenters used.
With regard to demographics, it's likely that most if not all of the commenters are Black men or Black women. In one of these comments, a blogger indicates that everyone participating in that video discussion is Black. That is likely not true- and certainly can't be proven given that participants in YouTube discussion threads may be anonymous and may post under another person's name, even if that person's profile picture is Black. Also participation in any YouTube discussion thread is free and open to anyone who signs into that internet website.. For example, read this comment from Kamile Gae (2016)
"Im white but I always felt inlove with African beat and music Its so attracting and effective with big power of rhythm and beat :) And dont understand also what they say but Its makes me to learn of this language to be able to sing as well as they do"
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Although they may not be included in this compilation, I recall reading comments from the Middle East, Europe, Asia, South America, the Caribbean, and the United States. These comments may often consist of only the blogger's name and their nation's name. Those "shout outs" demonstrate that the song under discussion is known in that particular nation.
Also, the fact that these comments are from a YouTube discussion thread for a South African music video doesn't mean that all the commenters in that discussion are from the nation of South Africa. That said, it's likely that a large number of the participants are from South Africa. And it's also likely that most of the participants are from some African nation as indicated in their comments. But, based on their comments, at least two commenters are from the United States and at least one commenter is from the UK.
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These comments are presented in chronological order with the oldest comments given first except for replies. However, these comments may not be in consecutive order.
I've assigned numbers for referencing purposes only.
2014
1. bigboyvit mbiko
"Not proud that too much the Gay dancers at the beginning irritates our pure black culture otherwise its great."
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2.TeanoZ
"WTF?
Homosexuality isn't a cultural thing! Its Biological!"
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3. bigboyvit mbiko
"Don't put a comment if u find this post homophobic I repeat"
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4. bigboyvit mbiko
"+TeanoZ since when it's been bilogical?? Was this the Freedom that Mandela fought for us even God created man to be man woman to be woman"
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5. TeanoZ
"Homosexuality has always been around, it's not a new thing!
And don't dare bring Mandela into this matter, he fought for FREEDOM and Human Rights, not the discrimination of people based on sexuality!
Gay men are still men! Gender is determined by ones sexual organs, not by who they chose to sleep with!
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6. bigboyvit mbiko
"+TeanoZ have you ever search on YouTube to find out whether heaven or hell exist?? If u haven't then search for videos of people who said God showed them hell you be so shocked if you watch these videos take all of them and compare them to see who's lying,you even gonna find an African testimony which is similar to an American testimony Hell is real don't adopt western thoughts of setting sin to freedom,everything that is not associated with the word is sin, not only Homosexuality God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for many reasons.Had it been there wasn't a place like hell I would have said let sinners have rights.. "
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7. bigboyvit mbiko
"Africans went through slavery why should they receive the torment of Gods wrath don't just allow anything to destroy you completely wake up."
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8. Boitumelo Mak
"+bigboyvit mbiko Actually South Africa's post-apartheid constitution was the first in the world to outlaw discrimination based on sexual orientation, and South Africa was the fifth country in the world, and the first in Africa, to legalise same-sex marriage...so yes that is exactly the sort of Freedom Nelson fought for...that was his constitution. Please do not bring Nelson into this if you r going to say such ignorant things"
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[Commenter Adekunle Abiodun used a lot of profanity to basically say that people shouldn't care who someone else has sex with.]
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9. bigboyvit mbiko
"+Adekunle Abiodun it has something to do with culture tho it's not common in other EUROPEAN countries it's only For America and UK, I've been all over Europe you can't see a gay couple in Germany,swizz,Poland,Spain or in some European countries and they don't give any hints about homosexuality,they only tell you Africans to agree that because they give us Aid,do u think OBAMA OR CAMERON would tell Germany or Russia to push the Gay Agenda wouldn't that be imperialism?? You need to read more books all travel the world to see different cultures,most people can't speak or write English we Africans are better than them 4 example East Europeans,they were never colonized by west there countries were powerful in those days,its only we Africans who can't stand for ourselves because they give us books to read and they taught English they want to control to Control us,since when have we Africans come open to be gay?? Is it cause we watching American and British programs or did it come from our ancestors or is it in our mind or are we brain washed??"
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10. TeanoZ
"+bigboyvit mbiko Homosexuality is extremely prevalent in Europe!
One of the German Ministers in government is gay. The Netherlands is one of the "gay capitals" of the world. In fact, same sex marriage is recognized in ALL of Western Europe.
You're obviously not as well traveled as you claim!"
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11. Sarfaraz Hussein Merchant
"+bigboyvit mbiko No sociologist, psychologist or scientist would agree with you. Homophobia is an example cultural imperialism imposed on Africans through religion. "
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[Another statement from bigboyvit mbiko such as those given above.]
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12. Victor 'Simar
"Bigots like you irritate our pure Black culture. Hateful disgraceful creature!"
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13. bigboyvit mbiko
"Irritate in what way mate muslims dont take acohol or eat pork has anyone protested on why they should do that. our pure black culture is not homosexual,we were enslaved and colonized that's why we are lost,have u ever seen anyone in the middle east telling You that there gay??? Don't be ridiculous"
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14. Joshua Boole
"+bigboyvit mbiko pretty sure there is a death penalty for being "gay" in most of "the middle east"
Stands to reason they wouldn't bring up the fact with much of anyone."
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15. Sphamandla Zulu
"Didn't see gay dancers, I just saw dancers. Don't be that person guy"
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16. bigboyvit mbiko
"If I dint see any gay dancers then why was I arguing with People"
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17. Baby T
"+bigboyvit mbiko you don't just wake up one morning to be gay. Its not a disease that's you can turn on or of or spread. No country is to blame for the influence of homosexuality. The reason why some people are afraid to come out gay in Africa is because of uneducated ignorant people like you. And BTW I'm a lesbian and African and proud. Oops come at me bro!"
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18. bigboyvit mbiko
"The only way you show more ignorance is when you copy things from somewhere I dispute all the Bullsh&t* that your talking about When God made u woman he knew that there were men outthere unless you wanna live like English or Americans and end up in hell because them they even say that God doesn't exist plus I live in UK I know the whole truth behind this Gay thing."
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19. bigboyvit mbiko
"+Atari Viktoria Promoting Gay culture in Africa is what has brought Boko Haram,r u happy with that?? Boko Haram means Against western education"
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20. Baby T
"+bigboyvit mbiko boko haram has other reasons to attack not just gays. But what is the relevance between homosexuality and education?"
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21. bigboyvit mbiko
"The relevance between homosexuality and education?? Have you forgot that you just said I was ignorant where did you get that From?? Education means learning. Education is not only school If you live in Places like America or UK they're now teaching people about Homosexuality about Homophobia and all that,On Boko Haram,did you recently heard that Nigeria Banned Homosexulity?? The main reason behind was the rise of extremist who are against the Government by allowing Gay activities in there country it would let to the rise of Terror and Extremist."
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22. Mihir shah
"+bigboyvit mbiko hi dummy. did you know white people fooled you africans into believing god said this and god said that. god himself hasnt done a great job by giving birth to an incompetent race. You see when you don't remember that it was colonialism that brought you this fake religion of yours that they themselves don't follow because they realised its utter bullsh&t*. you my friend are a bigotted and misinformed person about life in general. whatever knowledge you have gained from the bible is actually just a story. I really hope you are not catholic. its not gays that have brought out boko haram. you live in the uk and are claiming you know a lot and western education is ruining africa. I am sorry to tell you its not. If you live in the Uk and not africa, Please do not speak on behalf of all the africans who actually do live here unlike you who ran away. Please keep your ignorant brain at bay so your fingers don't end up typing something stupid like you just have.
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*This word is fully spelled out in that comment.
That sub- thread includes several more comments in which bigboyvit mbiko insults Mihir shah writing "your name doesn't sound like African you seem Asian".
bigboyvit mbiko further writes "your the one who must stay away from this forum stop the Prejudice and unravel your stupid tantrum.I have the right to express my views with issues concerning Africa and that does not mean am speaking on behalf of Africans."
bigboyvit mbiko also writes that he bets that Mihir shah is an Indian and says "their Hindu religion means that they should "bow down to animals" and they want to "take Africa as yours"...
To date, that sub-thread ends with that comment.
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23. Jayb Bee
"Gay ass video"
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24. Jayb Bee
"Yea... gay video"
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25. Jayb Bee
"Yea... gay video"
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26. alwayz
"+Jayb Bee such an awesome song and all you can say is " gay video ? " Not shallow at all !"
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27. simamukele khanyile
"get one person to sign u, compose a hit song and make a video that will at least get you 500 000 views on Youtube, then u can judge which videos are gay and which are not, but until then, get a life and take off those glasses, ngathi igwinya elishile elidayisa emgaqweni..."
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These Zulu words may be profanity.
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28. Jayb Bee
"F&&k* yu always.... gay ass too"
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29. Jayb Bee
"+alwayz f&&k* yu
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*The complete spelling is used in this comment.
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30. simamukele khanyile
"* waiting for the hit song *"
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31. Jayb Bee
"+simamukele khanyile w/o maame tw3.... stupid fool... such people's promoting gay in Africa. .. fire burn yu... aboa kwa..."
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These last two words may be profanity.
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32. Adnan Kashogi
"South Africa has a gay problem"
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33. msawenkosi mkhize
"Yes it's not an African culture but we can't wish them away can we? Anyways they are not killing any1 so lets leave them be. It's their lives, they should spend them as they see fit."
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34, Tsholofelo Ranyane
"The rest of Africa has a "institutionalizing the ostracizing/imprisoning/killing of people for their sexual preferences" problem. This makes me glad to be a South African living in South Africa :)"
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35. somrazy3
"+Tsholofelo Ranyane
Thank you so much!"
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36. msawenkosi mkhize
"For what somrazy?"
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37. Black NinjaHD
"you racist"
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38. msawenkosi mkhize
"Chikenbone Shifu. What the hell are you talking about? It's all black people talking here. Besides, nobody said anything about race."
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39. Shirley Mlotywa
"loool dude what are u talking about"
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40. Emmanuel Campbell
"+msawenkosiiiP mkhize"
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41. Victorine M.
"I love the the dance moves that are in this video :) #TeamAfrica But what are those gay dancers doing in a African music video ?"
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42. xMaNrEbOrN78
"This is my favourite African song this year! Killer bass! Though the crazy looking guy kinda weirded me out...well that and the guys dancing in drag lol. Awesome video nonetheless"
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43. MrSivram28
"South Africa has too many gays. Geez"
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44. gwandumi mtuhuru
"thoz gay mothafakaz ruined the video....what african we have become? disgusting!"
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45. Terence Makapan
"Go climb back in the hole from which you came you ignorant fool."
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46. Sbonelo Thusi
"lol you have ruined the comments with your hatred toward people"
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47. gwandumi mtuhuru
"r u gay too? my bad...ofcoz i hate em so what?"
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48. gwandumi mtuhuru
"+Terence Makapan
and go fuk yourself fag...."
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49. battementtendu88
"AMAZING!!!! LOOK AT MY BEAUTIFUL BLACK PEOPLE...I LOVE US..EVERY SINGLE ONE...GAY STRAIGHT BISEXUAL TRAN SEXUAL, WE'RE HERE!!!"
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50. Willi Hoeseb
"I see you guys can serve it too, I see my Gays working that floor, you better Work!!! I am so proud of South Africa to be the first country in Africa to recognize Gay rights and feature their artist in stuff like this.I wish Mafikizolo could come out to USA and Bless us here with some of that lava from Home!!! This Singers are awesome, great song will promote it around here in the USA, Will have a friend play it at his club!!! Glad they moved into Tribal House then stick to Kwaito, either way they still Rock!!!"
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51. Pandora
"Too much homo in South Africa,very very sad"
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52. Mzansi4sho
"+Pandora It's everywhere... It's just that in South Africa it's protected by the constitution that's why you see more of it. All countries have it"
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53. Mohamad Gamal
"It's strong music as hell but what about gays"
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54. Zediyah Prods
"The guys in gold are dressed like fags, dont understand it"
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55. simbasugu
"There is a gayy theme going on here. Sad."
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56. Zintle Mvana
"For everyone saying the video is gay, it's not. The dancers are however.South Africans will remember them from Step UP or step Out season 2, their name is VINTAGE"
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57. ooperdoopersnails
"On no gay people! They are taking over the world! Save me!
Some on the comments on this video are incredible. Y'all need to chill out and worry less."
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58. Lopanto Lulu
"+sooperdoopersnails not taking over, just ruining a classy video."
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59. Straw Bee [2016]
"+Lopanto Lulu I think it's people like you who are classless"
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60. Lopanto Lulu [2016]
"+Timothy Otieno Sorry I forgot how classy it was to lust after another mans hairy butthole."
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61. James Kiawu
"This whole video is 65% Gay..Get this right..."
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62. luesInMySoul
"+James Kiawu RIGHT! I thought they frowned upon that sort of thing. It was HELLA gay!"
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63. Tai Tai
"+BluesInMySoul clearly there is a lack of appreciation lurking here. Classy."
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64. BluesInMySoul
"Who the hell are you to tell me what I should appreciate?"
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65. Tai Tai
"But, you see, I didn't tell you what to appreciate. No need for animosity. Stay happy. ✌"
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66. BluesInMySoul
"You are annoying."
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67. Quinton Mtyala
"+James Kiawu In South Africa you can be who you want to be, you are protected by the laws of the country. We have freedom of speech and association...no-one dictates to you what you do in the privacy of your own home."
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68. James Kiawu
"+Obese Burn Victim That up to you and Jacob Zuma...who care about that fake freedom of speech!! Freedom is dangerous to some extent....It is the same freedom of speech that led you people to upgrade your intention concerning Xenophobia!!!!"
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69. James Kiawu
"+Tai Kurosaki But who are you to tell someone to appreciate this kind of crap....this video is gay..take 8 or leave it....."
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70. James Kiawu
"+BluesInMySoul They don frown on it..they kill people recently during the xenophobia, just few months ago!! then they will frown against gay activities.....They suckkkkssss"
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71. Tai Tai
"+James Kiawu If you read my comment carefully and with precision, you would have clearly seen that I did not tell anyone to appreciate anything. There is a distinct difference between stating a simple fact and forcing it upon another individual. Take 8 or leave it. "
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72. James Kiawu1 year ago
"Okay I got this Tai Kurosaki..You such a respectful person..some people will come back insulting and saying crappy things,but naaaah that not you..stay calm, be blezzzzz Gurl."
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73. Quinton Mtyala
"There's absolutely nothing wrong with gay people. They're part of our society, we should not discriminate against them or any social minority. In South Africa no one mentioned that the dancers could possibly be gay we just enjoyed the music video. "
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74. James Kiawu
"That up to you and your xenophobia people..are you gay?? If yes, then no quams....hope you have self-esteem doing it."
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75. Quinton Mtyala
"Not gay but I don't like discrimination. This video has no relation to xenophobia. South Africa is always welcoming to foreignersunless they come here to commit crime. If your peaceful you should come and visit South Africa. Very beautiful and dynamic country. "
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[I didn't include a comment about a blogger's profile picture being gorgeous. I also didn't include the other commenter's thank you reply.]
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76. Reply
TheLoxionKasie
"+BluesInMySoul Who's "they"? This comment is HELLA ignorant."
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77. cjadream7
"Nice song and video. I just don't understand why it's ruined by having guys dancing like females in tights. Black people: please wake up.
ADDED 2/17/2015: PS, to all have been replying, you've been talking to yourselves and none of your comments have been read. Replies now disabled. Have a nice life. :)
ADDED: to +Favour Odoemena below, you can keep your pious, arrogant attitude that some Africans have, as if they're so much better than African Americans. You don't know me or my mindset, idiot. And +Tasha McNabb Moore, please stop trying to be all deep. I can see you're a black female from your profile pic. I have not read your entire dissertation, so you've wasted your time and breath. Another arrogant statement overall, by the way! I grew up around many different types of people too, moron. I am very well able to relate to ANYBODY -- and HAVE -- but when I come to a video just to enjoy music, I don't want to be force-fed mess I don't want to see. I also refuse to take people making sick and retarded comments as if they're making sense when they're not. A few of y'all are plain crazy and delusional, but glad to see there are some with common sense here!"
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78. Jaden3459
"No matter how I look at it and try to understand your point of view, this statement is ignorant and close-minded."
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79. BlackSpartan3
"You are committing the error of assigning gender specific roles and activities. You'll find the world a limited place with that habit. As an alternate and possible (of many possibilities) side: What if, crazy thought, they were homosexual and this is how they chose to expr3ss themselves? Are we to look down upon them as betraying blackness in such a case? Just curious how one so convinced of the suppressive nature of the Western world (suppression which exists) is, herself, suppressed by her own limited perspective in life.
Like I said: More disappointing that frustrating."
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80. C Will
"+cjadream7 Just because you are black does not mean that you have to be Homophobic. Nor are these black people eurocentric. Homosexuality has been in Africa before Colonization, Before slavery, Before the White man got into Africa.
I am black and let me tell you there is nothing wrong with being Gay. Gays are created by God, it is a gift from God. Stop being so narrow minded and judgemental. And live your life like Jesus did: YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
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81. spookymao
"leave ppl be who they want be. if them wanna dance like female isnt your prob i cant agree with your words specially cose u are black and u should know better then others what means not to be accepted for what you are. u should think about it. just watch them and enjoy their soul. your struggle still on cose your soul struggle still on and this goes for all yours comments"
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82. Favour Odoemena
"please do not bring ur western ideas and views on here..this is africa..a man is not determined by the way he dances"
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83. Tasha McNabb Moore
"+cjadream7 I am a black female that is all for black empowerment, I have grown up around all types of people. I cannot express how much I love my people and everything that we stand for. But, I have a question for you and this is honestly coming from a place of trying to understanding, Why do you care how other people choose to live their lives? Is there a strong correlation between their lives and yours? I really try to be understanding to everyone's situation because at the end of the day, no one is perfect. Everyone has a story, everyone has been through something and a lot of people are so quick to judge someone based on one aspect of their being. God forbid you should ever be put in a situation where people hate you JUST BECAUSE, it would probably be a very humbling experience for you. I do not believe that everyone has to agree with one another but what I do believe is, if someone has not set out to hurt you then you should probably leave them alone and worry about yourself instead of spreading hatred. "
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84. Mzala Kay
"South Africa Leads and the rest of Africa follows,Mere fact that you think that the dances and looks are gay means that you are as backward as the asses you rest of Africa is (excuse Moz. I love Moz). The rest of africa is just a big blackhole on the surface of the world. Killing ppl just coz they are gay also proves that. In South Africa straight guys dress up like that are comfortable with their own sexuality and they dont care if someone is gay or not because they are busy with their own lifestyle and sex life and minding their own business and not into other ppls business."
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85. khae74
"I hate this video they shouldnt include gay people its disgusting.."
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86. Brit Baron
"maybe not every culture is ignorant miserable and hateful as you are dummy"
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87. kush mulla
"so sad south africa with GAYs ......africa africa africa WHY"
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88. Whoonga Goat (ZeroChill)
"the only thing sad here is you, what have gay people done to you? nothing, so leave them alone."
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89. BluesInMySoul
"+Timi Goodluck Oh those dancers were GAY"
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90. Tai Tai
"+BluesInMySoul they're gay, so what? Your homophobic vibes are not appreciated here where people come to enjoy good music."
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91. BluesInMySoul
"I have never been afraid of a homo. Go attempt to bully someone else with your name calling."
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[I didn't include a comment from kaza Yamba writing that "the end is near" etc.]
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92. AfricanSalt
"+kaza Yamba Let the gays be or just ignore them. Every one has an opportunity to pick who they want as life partners, why not them? They are not harming any one, its their body, it's their life. No need for all that hate."
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93. Tai Tai
"+AfricanSalt preach, brother."
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[There are additional comments in that sub-thread with Biblical references and points about Africa being colonized by Europeans.]
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94. aromeo2luv2
"Love the song but just very disappointed by the video. Guys dancing around in tights like girls. Now Africans forcing the gay imagery down out throats too, just sad."
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95. Charles u
"Guys are dancing like fags.i don't like that from African brothers"
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96. Whoonga Goat (ZeroChill)
"no one is forcing anything down your throat, everyone has the right to exist. these guys/group are professional dancers with there own particular style of dancing which the director thought would fit this video that's why they where hired. if you have a problem with seeing gay people then don't complain when a racist has a problem with seeing black people on a music video."
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97. MrSivram28
"Maikizolo is a f&&king* faggot.
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98. Claudia Dhludhlu
"Mafikizolo.... Is not a person, it's a group... Comprising of two members, Nonhlanhla and Theo, if you're going to hate, at least get the facts right"
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99. Zanele Zungu
"Theo is married (to a woman) with kids. Not that it matters if he is gay or not, urggh,so much hate. Do u wanna step out of the closet sir and get some fresh air?"
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100. Cute Monster123
"great song but..why do they look so gay?"
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101. Henry Dube
"don't know, maybe some of them are gay?"
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102. Cute Monster123
"Well I certainly hope not..I don't want to be watching any gay ass dancing when they come for the Koroga Festival this month."
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103. Henry Dube
"+Cute Monster123 are you homophobic?"
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104. Cute Monster123
"Nope ..am just not enthusiastic about watching men behaving like women."
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Henry Dube
105. "+Cute Monster123 that's being homophobic"
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106. Cute Monster123
"Nope..am just being judgy. Homophobic is when you are unable to suppress the urge to drop-kick every gay guy you see."
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107. Lwazi Nzimande
"They are not, but even if they were... what's wrong with that?"
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Sunday, January 27, 2013
Mafikizolo - Kwela (South Africa), video & comments
Edited by Azizi Powell
This is Part II of a two part post on songs entitled "Kwela".
This post showcases the song "Kwela" by the South African group Mafikizolo. This post also included information about Makifizolo and their style of music as well as selected comments from this song's YouTube video viewer comment thread.
Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/01/harry-belafonte-kwela-listen-to-man.html for a post on Harry Belafonte-"Kwela" ("Listen To The Man"), lyrics & comments.
The content of this post is presented for historical, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
INFORMATION ABOUT MAFIKIZOLO
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafikizolo_(South_African_group)
"Mafikizolo is a popular in South African group that started small in the 90s. The members of this group are Theo Kgosinkwe, Nhlanhla Nciza, and Tebogo Madingoane. The genre of music this group makes is called kwaito, which is an African type of house music. Their music has fans dancing and singing along to the beat. The group has been in the industry for many years and where signed by Kalawa, a South African record company. The trio consisting of a female, Nhlanhla and two males Theo, and Tebogo have been a sensation; their unique music style attracts both young and old fans"...
INFORMATION ABOUT KWAITO MUSIC
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwaito
"Kwaito is a music genre that emerged in Johannesburg, South Africa, during the 1990s. It is a variant of house music featuring the use of African sounds and samples. Typically at a slower tempo range than other styles of house music, Kwaito often contains catchy melodic and percussive loop samples, deep bass lines, and vocals. Although bearing similarities to hip hop music, a distinctive feature of Kwaito is the manner in which the lyrics are sung, rapped and shouted. American producer Diplo has described Kwaito as "slowed-down garage music," most popular among the black youth of South Africa."
INFORMATION ABOUT THE WORD "KWELA"
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwela
"Kwela is a pennywhistle-based, street music from southern Africa with jazzy underpinnings and a distinctive, skiffle-like beat. It evolved from the marabi sound and brought South African music to international prominence in the 1950s...
South Africa has many meanings of words, but for this, it mainly and the most common is [sic]The word "kwela" is taken from the Zulu for "get up", though in township slang it also referred to the police vans, the "kwela-kwela". Thus, it could be an invitation to join the dance, as well as serving as a warning. It is said that the young men who played the pennywhistle on street corners also acted as lookouts to warn those enjoying themselves in the shebeens of the arrival of the police.[1]"
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From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_South_Africa
"The first major style of South African popular music to emerge was pennywhistle jive (later known as kwela). Black cattle-herders had long played a three-holed reed flute, adopting a six-holed flute when they moved to the cities. Willard Cele is usually credited with creating pennywhistle by placing the six-holed flute between his teeth at an angle. Cele spawned a legion of imitators and fans, especially after appearing in the 1951 film The Magic Garden.
Groups of flautists played on the streets of South African cities in the 1950s, many of them in white areas, where police would arrest them for creating a public disturbance. Some young whites were attracted to the music, and came to be known as ducktails"...
FEATURED VIDEO: Kwela
skweeza Uploaded on Jan 2, 2007
mafikizolo
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This is the name of that South African vocal group that recorded this song.
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S YOUTUBE VIEWER COMMENT THREAD
(These comments are from a video that was deleted (as of December 15, 2013 if not earlier). These comments are presented in chronological order by the year of their posting, with the oldest comments given first.)
babybunnyberry, 2010
"It's about being arrested for breaking curfew in South Africa, during apartheid. Kwela is the name of the rhythm, but also refers to the kwela-kwela, the police vans."
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TheLastYogurt, 2010
"Mafikizolo is the name of the band. Kwela is both the style of music and the name of the album (released in 2003). The name of the song is "Kwela Kwela", which is a pun (as babybunnyberry pointed) because of the double meaning of the word 'kwela'. :) Mafikizolo are in iTunes, but I don't think iTunes has this song.")
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ProfRonanMC, 2012
"Mafikizolo beautifully recreate the sound of fifties South African music with the legendary Hugh Masekela making a star appearance. And, damn!, they're good at it!"
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Grasswa Basson, 2012
"Their music is also influenced by kwaito and they have been credited with a genre called Kwela after their style of music. It has been described as kwaito-cum-marabi house music. Their music deals with pertinent social issues such as women and children abuse, poverty, the importance of education and the dangers of casual sex. They have performed all over Southern Africa and have a fan base all over the world."
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njplr, 2012
"Well, I'm not South African or anything, but I THINK kwela is both a style of music (such as this song) with a rollicking rhythm, and ALSO it was people yell in the streets at the approach of the cops (like FIVE OH, or, in NY they yell "bajando") which kinda fits right into the video."
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rakefarm, 2012
Kwela means 'get up'. The police were called the 'kwela kwela' meaning you had to get up as they were coming!
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Sizwe Mahokoto, 2012
kwela means "get on" not get up... since it was usual that the police van was taking blacks for no reason they decide that whenever they see a police van, it was give that they will get on... the real original Xhosa word is "khwela"
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AfrikaZW, 2013
"Definitely one of the best songs out there, but with a very heavy message
Nanka amapoyisa efika ebengena mama ngekwela kwelaa - here come the policemen, bhold kwelakwela
the other part is in Afrikaans, the police asking about the dompass
Hugh talks of disrespect shown by the guards, abusing the parents (our mothers) throwing them in jail for selling traditional beer (to support their kids)
Ask Nelson Mandela, ask Sizulu (Walter), and Tambo (Oliver) they all know about Kwela kwela..."
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND THANKS
Thanks to Mafikizolo and their special guest artist, Hugh Masekela. Thanks to the composer of this song, the producer of this video, the uploader of this video. Thanks also to those whose wrote information or comments that are quoted in this post.
Also, thank you for visiting pancocojams.
Viewer comments are welcome
This is Part II of a two part post on songs entitled "Kwela".
This post showcases the song "Kwela" by the South African group Mafikizolo. This post also included information about Makifizolo and their style of music as well as selected comments from this song's YouTube video viewer comment thread.
Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/01/harry-belafonte-kwela-listen-to-man.html for a post on Harry Belafonte-"Kwela" ("Listen To The Man"), lyrics & comments.
The content of this post is presented for historical, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
INFORMATION ABOUT MAFIKIZOLO
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafikizolo_(South_African_group)
"Mafikizolo is a popular in South African group that started small in the 90s. The members of this group are Theo Kgosinkwe, Nhlanhla Nciza, and Tebogo Madingoane. The genre of music this group makes is called kwaito, which is an African type of house music. Their music has fans dancing and singing along to the beat. The group has been in the industry for many years and where signed by Kalawa, a South African record company. The trio consisting of a female, Nhlanhla and two males Theo, and Tebogo have been a sensation; their unique music style attracts both young and old fans"...
INFORMATION ABOUT KWAITO MUSIC
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwaito
"Kwaito is a music genre that emerged in Johannesburg, South Africa, during the 1990s. It is a variant of house music featuring the use of African sounds and samples. Typically at a slower tempo range than other styles of house music, Kwaito often contains catchy melodic and percussive loop samples, deep bass lines, and vocals. Although bearing similarities to hip hop music, a distinctive feature of Kwaito is the manner in which the lyrics are sung, rapped and shouted. American producer Diplo has described Kwaito as "slowed-down garage music," most popular among the black youth of South Africa."
INFORMATION ABOUT THE WORD "KWELA"
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwela
"Kwela is a pennywhistle-based, street music from southern Africa with jazzy underpinnings and a distinctive, skiffle-like beat. It evolved from the marabi sound and brought South African music to international prominence in the 1950s...
South Africa has many meanings of words, but for this, it mainly and the most common is [sic]The word "kwela" is taken from the Zulu for "get up", though in township slang it also referred to the police vans, the "kwela-kwela". Thus, it could be an invitation to join the dance, as well as serving as a warning. It is said that the young men who played the pennywhistle on street corners also acted as lookouts to warn those enjoying themselves in the shebeens of the arrival of the police.[1]"
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From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_South_Africa
"The first major style of South African popular music to emerge was pennywhistle jive (later known as kwela). Black cattle-herders had long played a three-holed reed flute, adopting a six-holed flute when they moved to the cities. Willard Cele is usually credited with creating pennywhistle by placing the six-holed flute between his teeth at an angle. Cele spawned a legion of imitators and fans, especially after appearing in the 1951 film The Magic Garden.
Groups of flautists played on the streets of South African cities in the 1950s, many of them in white areas, where police would arrest them for creating a public disturbance. Some young whites were attracted to the music, and came to be known as ducktails"...
FEATURED VIDEO: Kwela
skweeza Uploaded on Jan 2, 2007
mafikizolo
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This is the name of that South African vocal group that recorded this song.
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S YOUTUBE VIEWER COMMENT THREAD
(These comments are from a video that was deleted (as of December 15, 2013 if not earlier). These comments are presented in chronological order by the year of their posting, with the oldest comments given first.)
babybunnyberry, 2010
"It's about being arrested for breaking curfew in South Africa, during apartheid. Kwela is the name of the rhythm, but also refers to the kwela-kwela, the police vans."
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TheLastYogurt, 2010
"Mafikizolo is the name of the band. Kwela is both the style of music and the name of the album (released in 2003). The name of the song is "Kwela Kwela", which is a pun (as babybunnyberry pointed) because of the double meaning of the word 'kwela'. :) Mafikizolo are in iTunes, but I don't think iTunes has this song.")
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ProfRonanMC, 2012
"Mafikizolo beautifully recreate the sound of fifties South African music with the legendary Hugh Masekela making a star appearance. And, damn!, they're good at it!"
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Grasswa Basson, 2012
"Their music is also influenced by kwaito and they have been credited with a genre called Kwela after their style of music. It has been described as kwaito-cum-marabi house music. Their music deals with pertinent social issues such as women and children abuse, poverty, the importance of education and the dangers of casual sex. They have performed all over Southern Africa and have a fan base all over the world."
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njplr, 2012
"Well, I'm not South African or anything, but I THINK kwela is both a style of music (such as this song) with a rollicking rhythm, and ALSO it was people yell in the streets at the approach of the cops (like FIVE OH, or, in NY they yell "bajando") which kinda fits right into the video."
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rakefarm, 2012
Kwela means 'get up'. The police were called the 'kwela kwela' meaning you had to get up as they were coming!
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Sizwe Mahokoto, 2012
kwela means "get on" not get up... since it was usual that the police van was taking blacks for no reason they decide that whenever they see a police van, it was give that they will get on... the real original Xhosa word is "khwela"
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AfrikaZW, 2013
"Definitely one of the best songs out there, but with a very heavy message
Nanka amapoyisa efika ebengena mama ngekwela kwelaa - here come the policemen, bhold kwelakwela
the other part is in Afrikaans, the police asking about the dompass
Hugh talks of disrespect shown by the guards, abusing the parents (our mothers) throwing them in jail for selling traditional beer (to support their kids)
Ask Nelson Mandela, ask Sizulu (Walter), and Tambo (Oliver) they all know about Kwela kwela..."
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND THANKS
Thanks to Mafikizolo and their special guest artist, Hugh Masekela. Thanks to the composer of this song, the producer of this video, the uploader of this video. Thanks also to those whose wrote information or comments that are quoted in this post.
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