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Monday, March 9, 2026

What Lead Belly's Use Of The Term "Sukey Jumps" REALLY Meant


Lead Belly - "Sukey Jump"

SmithsonianFolkwaysRecordings Jul 2, 2015

This video features Lead Belly's "Sukey Jump" from the 2015 box set 'Lead Belly:  The Smithsonian Folkways Collection'. ...
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The comment  feature is turned off for most of  the YouTube sound files of Lead Belly.

Thankfully, this sound file has a few comments. Here are two of those comments:

1. @DemilitionKiwi, 2020
"Lyrics

Somebodys dead mama killed a hope the other day somebodys dead mama killed her hope the other day

Somebody dead mama killed er hope the other day and then did mine and then did mine one day she did one day and then did mine

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2. @alonzogarbanzo, 2021
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I may be wrong (and with Huddie's lyrics there often disagreements over what he sang) but I believe the correct lyric, and one that makes perfect sense, is a question: "Somebody, did Mama kill a hog the other day?".    I don't know how a "dead mama" could kill anything,  but I do know that "hoe" in his time only referred to an agricultural tool, and "killing hope" sounds a little too "modern" for late 19th-century Shreveport.  As I said, I might be wrong, but I submit another interpretation."

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Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest update- Mrch 10, 2026

This pancocojams post presents information about the meaning of the term "sukey jumps" as used by Huddie Leadbetter (Lead Belly, Leadbelly) in his monologues and recordings with folklorist Alan Lomax.

This post also showcases four sound files of the Folk/Blues musician/vocalist Huddie Ledbetter (Lead belly; Leadbelly) performing songs that were played and danced to at Black American "sukey jumps" ("sookey jumps").

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, historical, socio-cultural, and entertainment,  purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Huddie Ledbetter (Lead belly) for his musical legacy. Thanks to those who are  I quoted in this post, and thanks to the publishers of these sound files on YouTube.
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Most of the content of this post was given in a now deleted 2013 pancocojams post on this subject. That post had no discussion thread comments.

Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/05/leadbelly-po-howard-and-green-corn.html for information about and lyrics for the songs "Po' Howard"/ "Green Corn".

Also, click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/03/what-ah-sookie-sookie-now-means.html for the pancocojams post entitled "What "Ah Sookie Sookie Now" Means (complete reprint of a 2013 pancocojams post).""Ah sookie sookie now" is an African American originated colloquial expression that men say to indicate their appreciation of the physical body of a female who is passing by them."

In spite of the similarly in spelling and pronunciation, I'm not aware that the term "sukey jumps" and the saying "Ah sookie sookie" have any documented linguistic connection. 
However, it's possible that the older term "sukey jumps" may have influenced the mid 20th century "ah sookie sookie" saying that is still occasionally used in 2026 mostly by African Americans.   

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WHAT THE PHRASE "SUKEY JUMPS" MEANS
"Sukey Jumps" is a no longer used African American English referent for country dance gatherings for Black folks and the fast paced dance music that was performed at those gatherings.

The word "sukey" rhymes with "LOOK ee".

Most of the information about sukey jumps comes from several 1939/1940 recordings of Folk/Blues singer/musician Huddie Ledbetter (Lead belly) as well as interviews of Lead belly that were conducted & recorded by folklorist/collector Alan Lomax. From Lead belly's comments, it appears that the term "sukey jumps" was used in the Deep South (states such as Louisiana, Texas, & Mississippi) prior to the end of slavery in the United States (1865) and at least until 1940.

In 1935 her book Mules To Men about life for Black people in rural Florida, Black folklorist Zora Neale Hurston also used the term "sukey jump" as a referent for a dance attended by Black people which was held outdoors around a bonfire.

According to online sources who quoted Lead belly or others, the music for sukey jumps was provided by musicians/vocalists who sang and/or played the accordion, fiddle, and/or guitar..

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ADDITIONAL SHOWCASE YOUTUBE SOUND FILES

Example #2: Monologue on Square Dances or Sookey Jumps


Leadbelly - Topic

Sep 4, 2018

Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group

 

Monologue on Square Dances or Sookey Jumps · Lead Belly

 

Go Down Old Hannah -- The Library of Congress Recordings, V. 6

 

℗ 1994 Rounder Records Manufactured and distributed by Concord Music Group

 

Released on: 1994-01-01

 

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Here's my partial transcript of this recording: Additions and Corrections are welcome.

In the beginning of the recording folklorist Alan Lomax introduces Lead belly as a person from Louisiana who [at the time of that recording] lived in "New York on the East Side, playing his guitar, making records, and demonstrating for peace whenever he gets a chance to.]

From .22 to 1;24 
Lomax-"I want him to tell you the way they put on the square dances down there in Louisiana when he was a boy growing up in the back woods.

What did they call square dances?

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Lead belly - "Sukey  jumps"

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Lomax- "Why they'd call them "sukey jumps"?

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Lead belly- "Well, because they'd dance so fast. The music was so fast that people had to jump so we always called them "sukey junps".

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Lomax- "You know what "sukey" means.

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Lead belly- "Well that's how we call the cows. We say "sukey, sukey, sukey" shushing the cows away.

Sometimes we'd holler "One dollar day, one dollar food a day. Anything you feel like singin' almost."

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Lomax- "So what kind of music did they have?"

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Lead belly- "Well they had a fiddle, sometime an accordion".

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Lomax- "And the band would sing?"

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Lead belly- "There was a man named Full House, he would play the fiddle, he was the first fiddle and afterwards Full House would ??? Full House playin goes like this
[Lead Belly demonstrates the tune that Full House played]

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Example #3: 
Green Corn - Leadbelly (come along cholly)



songs1994, Uploaded on Mar 3, 2009
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"Cholly" is a nickname for "Charles" (similar to "Charlie").

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Example #4 -LEAD BELLY ~ Poor Howard (Po' Howard)



3006khz, Published on Dec 30, 2012

Poor Howard (Green Corn). The audio is hard to hear, but, i think this is one of Lead Belly's coolest tunes.
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Some lyrics for "Po' Howard"/"Green Corn" are found in the pancocojams post http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/05/leadbelly-po-howard-and-green-corn.html.

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SELECTED QUOTES ABOUT "SUKEY JUMPS"
These quotes are presented in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.
"sukey n.

[Sukey, a dimin. of proper name Susan, but ? Welsh Gypsy sukar, to hum, to whisper (cf. black sal under black adj.); in sense 3, the immediate root was presumably the mid-18C+ nursery rhyme ‘Polly put the kettle on’]

1. a male homosexual.

 1707    [UK]     J. Dunton Rump in Athenianism II 96: Sukey, (for so ’tis said you greet The Men you pick up in the Street) En’t you a monster thus to [...] make Mens Tails a sort of Wench?

2. a lower servant girl.

[...] 

1734    [UK]     Proceedings Old Bailey 27 Mar. 143/2: But there was a Vagabond Creature, one Sukey, that persuaded me to it.

1759    [UK]     Proceedings Old Bailey 25 Apr. 156/2: She said she had been to carry a white petticoat and three pewter plates to pawn for Sukey at Mrs Hinkle’s.

3. a kettle.

[...]

sukey jump (n.)

(US, Sth) a country dance held for and by African-Americans; also attri.

1946    [US]     Salt Lake Trib. (UT) 9 Dec. 7/6: I was at a sukey jump — a cotton pickers dance.

1950    [US]     Shreveport Times (LA) 17 Dec. 31/8: [T]o while away the lonely evenings in the piney woods and enliven the sukey-jumps and breakdowns.

1967    [US]     Shreveport Jrnl (LA) 2 Aug. 12A/2: [Leadbelly] began performing at ‘sukey jumps’ and ‘breakdowns’ in cabins and dance halls.

1973    [US]     Arizona Republic (Phoeniz, AZ) 22 July N-4/1: [Leadbelly] was [...] an entertainer at all-night dances, sukey jumps and barrelhouses.

1978    [Can]   Calgary Herald (Alberta) ‘The Canadian’ 28 Jan. 17/2: At 15, [Leadbelly]’d play all night at suker-jumps (play parties) and breakdowns (square dances) for 50 cents and all he could drink .

1989    [Can]   Shreveport Times (LA) 15 Jan. 11-F/2: Leadbelly’s songs [...] ‘Sukey Jump’.

1992    [US]     (con. 1890s) Wolfe & Lornell Leadbelly 18: Sukey, or sookie, was apparently a Deep South slang term dating from the 1820s and referring to a servant or slave. A sukey jump, therefore, was once a dance or party in slave quarters.

2005    [US]     Dly News (NY) 8 May 42/1: [G]igging at raucous ‘sukey-jump’ parties.

Digital edition © Jonathon Green 2026."

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Source #2
From 
http://www.folklib.net/folkfile/s.shtml
"sukey (also "sookie") an early 19th-century word for a slave, so a "sukey jump" was a party in slave quarters. The term came to mean any lively get-together with music and dancing. (Leadbelly, who played for sukey jumps, said that he believed it to be an old word for "cow".)"

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Source #3
from [Google Book] World of a Slave: Encyclopedia of the Material Life of Slaves in the United States edited by Martha B. Katz-Hyman, Kym S. Rice; p. 220
“In most cases the [Black] slave fiddler developed at least two completely different repertoires for accompaniment and white dances, often called “frolics” or [for Black dances] called “sukey jumps”."

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Source #4
from [Google Book] The Devil's music: a history of the blues By Giles Oakley p. 65
"Leadbelly suggested an explanation for the last half of the phrase: “Because they dance so fast, the music was so fast and the people had to jump”. He would take his windjammer accordion his guitar and go over to play for the dancers

Jaw bone walk. Jawbone talk
Jawbone eat with a knife and fork

One of the first songs he heard was Poor Howard.

Poor Howards was a poor boy; he went all around the plantations playing for the sukey jumps. He was the first man who started sukey jumps all around the world. And when poor Howard was gone, everybody sang this song:

Poor Howard’s dead and gone
Left me here to sing this song.
Poor Howard’s dead and gone
Left me here to sing this song."

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Source #5
from [Google Book] the magazine Black World/Negro Digest Apr 1962 article about Leadbelly, page 22
"Besides the jumps, or play parties, there were breakdowns for square dancing. The accordion, fiddle, and guitar supplied the music, which usually kept on until dawn”...

While still a boy his uncle Bob taught him how to play the guitar. Then, at the sukey jumps, he learned about the accordion.
“I was good as they had on the windjammer,” he boasted. The first piece I ever learned to play was “Po Howard”, from Jim Fagin, an’ “Green Corn” from Bud Coleman.

These were dance tunes, and that was the beginning."

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Source #6
from http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=4280 Req/ADD: Poor Howard/Green Corn (from Leadbelly) posted by BrooklynJay
Date: 17 Dec 10 - 09:51 PM
... Here are ... notes to Poor Howard, transcribed from page 53 of Lead Belly - No Stranger To The Blues:

Transcribed from 1940 Library of Congress sessions now available on Lead Belly/Gwine Dig A Hole To Put The Devil In, Rounder CD 1045....
"He [Po' Howard] was the first fiddler after Negroes got freed in slavery times. Po' Howard was a Negro, used to play for 'em at the sooky jumps and the number he played it was "Po' Howard, Po' Boy." ...Because they dance so fast, the music was so fast and the people had to jump, so they always called them sooky jumps...Sooky, well that's a cow - sometimes when you tell it "sooky, sooky, sooky", you know, sookin' the cow away."
Huddie Ledbetter, 1940"...

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Source #7
from http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Sukey
"Sukey \s(u)-key\ as a girl's name. Diminutive of Susan (Hebrew) "lily". First used in the 18th century, and revived in the 20th [century]."

[commenter] Max Haymes:
"From Eric Partridge: "sukey. A kettle: low (-1823); ob.origin: cf. Welsh Gypsy 'sukar, to hum, to whisper.hence, 2, a general servant or SLAVEY: from ca 1820; ob. Ex 'Sukey'; a lower-class diminutive of 'Susan', a name frequent among servants." ("The Penguin Dictionary of Historical Slang" p.927. [Penguin Books] 1986. Rep. 1st pub. 1937.)"
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It's important to reiterate that enslaved Black people [females only?] weren't the only ones who were given the name or nickname "Sukey". For instance, here's an excerpt from an article about the children's rhyme "Polly Put The Kettle On"-which includes the line "Sukey take it off again":
"In middle-class families in the mid-eighteenth century "Sukey" was equivalent to "Susan http://www.tutorgigpedia.com/ed/Polly_Put_the_Kettle_On#Origins. That rhyme was first published in 1803.

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Source #8
from http://www.word-detective.com/2009/10/sukey-jump/ "Word Detective: Sukey Jumps"
"Leadbelly was absolutely right about the roots of “sukey.” The word “sook” has long been used in rural dialects in England and Scotland to mean livestock, specifically young animals (the word itself is a form of “suck,” as in nursing). In the US, “sook” is applied to mature cows as well, and “sook” or “sookie” is commonly used to call cows, pigs, etc. It’s certainly not difficult to imagine the term being applied in a demeaning sense to servants and slaves in the early 19th century US."

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RECONSIDERING* LEADBELLY'S EXPLANATION ABOUT THE MEANING OF THE WORD "SUKEY" IN THE TERM "SUKEY JUMP"
I'm unsatisfied with the explanation that Lead belly gave to folklorist Alan Lomax that "sukey" in the term "sukey jump" was derived from the term for a cow, and was used to as a field call for cows.

First, the word "sukey" as it related to cows appears to be pronounced differently than the word "sukey" in "sukie jump" was pronounced. Quoting the editor of the word detective. com site (Quote #8 given above) "sook" as it relates to cows is pronounced like the English word "suck". In contrast, the first syllable in the word "sukey" (that refers to the "Black slave quarter" dances is pronounced to rhymes with the English word "look".

I've also read that "sookie" as it relates to cows is pronounced "sue-eee". The first syllable is pronounced like the female name "Sue" or the English word "sue" and the ending "e" is elongated. Again, the word "sukey" in "sukey jumps" isn't pronounced that way. Thus, I think this is an example of words being spelled the same but having different pronunciations and different meanings. Or, perhaps the pronunciation of that word has changed over a period of time.

Also, I think that that explanation that Lead belly gave that the referent "sukey jumps" came from the field calls for cows doesn't ring true because there doesn't seem to me to be any connection between a cow, or calling a cow, and Black informal dance gatherings or the fast paced music that was performed at those gatherings. The only connection between cows and jumping that I can think of is the "Hey Diddle Diddle" nursery rhyme in which the cow jumps over the moon. Furthermore, in American society and perhaps other "Western societies", it's insulting to call a female a cow. I'm just not convinced that a dance gathering- outdoor or indoor- would be named after cows.

It's possible that Lead belly actually believed the explanation that he gave to Alan Lomax. It's also possible that he was purposely pulling the wool over that White folklorist/collector's eyes -just for the fun of it.
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In my previous title for this section, I used the word "Debunking" instead of "re-considering".

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AN ALTERNATIVE THEORY ABOUT THE SOURCE OF THE WORD "SUKEY" IN "SUKEY JUMPS"
Given the information posted above that the female nickname/name "Sukey" was documented as a referent for servants and slaves in the early 19th century, I believe that a case can be made that the nickname or name "Sukey", a diminutive of the female name "Susan" ("Susannah"), could have been frequently given to enslaved Black females in the American South. Therefore, at least in some areas of the South, "Sukey" could have become a generic referent for Black female slaves.

It seems to me that a case could be made that those gatherings of Black people dancing could have been named "Sukey Jumps" as a reference to the Black women ["Sukies"] who would be found enthusiastically dancing [jumping all around] at those gatherings.

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ADDENDUM [added to the original May 12, 2013 pancocojams post on November 17, 2013]
It occurs to me that "Pick A Bale Of Cotton" is a sukey jump song as it is usually sung nowadays. The traditional, antebellum version of that song was a sad lament about the impossibility of picking a bale of cotton a day. But Lead belly transformed that song into a fast paced, enthusiastic song in which he boasted ["lied" in the tall tale meaning of that word] about "picking a bale of cotton a day". Read this review of about that song written by Barry Weber http://www.allmusic.com/song/pick-a-bale-of-cotton-mt0011917299. The sukey jump form of "Pick A Bale Of Cotton" that was popularized by Lead belly is the only form of that song that is known nowadays.

Part of my problem with "Pick A Bale Of Cotton" -and I admit that I really have a lot of problems with it when sung by young children as an easy to learn, movement song, is that those children-and their teachers-rarely know the history of that song, and mistakenly think that is how enslaved Black people sung it. I could go on and on about my concerns about the song "Pick A Bale Of Cotton"-and I'll probably publish a separate post about that song. But suffice it to say here that Lead belly's style of singing "Pick A Bale of Cotton" was in the style of a "sukey jump".

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Wednesday, April 27, 2016

1930s Versions Of The Folk Song "Black Betty"

Edited by Azizi Powell

This post provides three 1930s sound file examples & lyrics of the African American folk song "Black Betty". Selected comments from the discussion thread of the example given as Version #2 are also included in this post.

The Addendum to this post also includes lyrics of another early example of "Black Betty". That example is from American Ballads and Folk Songs by John Lomax (originally published: January 1, 1934) [update April 28, 2016]

The content of this post is published for folkloric, cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the composer/s of the song "Black Betty", thanks to all those whose recordings are included in this post, and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publishers of these sound files and the transcribers of these lyrics.

Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/04/what-black-betty-brown-bess-really-mean.html for a pancocojams post that provides information about the meanings of the terms "Black Betty" and "Brown Bess".

The information that is included in that post was partly gleaned from information found in this post and from comments to this post. Special hat tip to commenter slam 2011!

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SEVERAL VERSIONS OF "BLACK BETTY"
These YouTube versions of given in chronological order based on their posting date.

Version #1: black betty (1939)



RosieKeepinthepromis, Uploaded on Apr 21, 2009
"I got this recording from the Library of Congress call number AFC 1939/001 2643b2.

It's the infamous song Black Betty. This wikipedia article has some interesting info about this song http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Betty

This particular recording was done in 1939, Rev Mose 'Clear Rock' Platt is singing.
It was recorded in Texas (Taylor, Williamson County) by John and Ruby Lomax

The photograph is from the Library of Congress as well, call number LOT 7414-F, no. N11.
It has a handwritten note on the back"Moses Platt (Clear Rock) Sugarland, Tex. June 1934.", and the photographer is listed as John Lomax.

I am really interested in early recordings of this song. If you know of any recordings of Black Betty that were recorded 1939 or earler please let me know.

Also due to the quality of the recording I have some trouble making out the lyrics/conversation.
If you'd like to take a try at transcribing I'd love to see what you are hearing.

BlindBoyBlue has helped with some transcription (the whoa Black Betty isn't written because...well that's obvious):

Black Bettys in the bottom x2
just chewin' on the timber

Black Betty had a baby x2
well the thing went crazy
just drinkin' river water

Just jumpin' to a number x2

Just stewin' in the bottom
Just stewin' in the bottle

He then gets interupted and asked "who's this Black Betty?" to which he replies "Black Betty was an old n***** woman who...".

Can anyone else out there help make out that conversation at the end?"

[This is the end of that sound file's description.]
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That abbreviated form of the n word (with asterisks) was given in the sound file's review.

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Version #2: Black Betty- Leadbelly



songs1994, Published on Mar 3, 2009
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The comments below are from the discussion thread for the sound file that was originally embedded in this post. That sound file which was published by RagtimeDorianHenry, on Apr 15, 2009, is not longer available.
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Here are some comments from this sound file's discussion thread.
Many of these commenters shared different theories about what (or who) Black Betty was.

These comments are given in relative chronological order based on the year that they were posted. However, they may not be in consecutive order. I assigned numbers for referencing purposes only.

By reading online sources such as Wikipedia (though that source may not be all that reliable), I've learned that there have been different meanings for the term "Black Betty". It occurs to me that the early meanings of the term "Black Betty" may have nothing whatsoever to do with "Black Betty" folk song (or folk songs). Furthermore, it's possible that the term "Black Betty" may have more than one meaning within the same song.

1. Mich, 2010
"@putz1113 Southerners have been calling whisky Black Betty since they came over from the old country."

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2. uckybear3822, 2010
"@MonyVibescu1919 Black betty referes to a flintlock musket. In the US, black betty was a common term for a liquor bottle. In January 1736, Benjamin Franklin published The Drinker's Dictionary in the Pennsylvania Gazette offering 228 round-about phrases for being drunk. One of those phrases is "He's kiss'd black Betty''."

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3. westernjen, 2010
"Encore Comment: Part of this tells something that doesn't seem to have much to do with whips or wagons or anything like that. It has to do with a real child, who was blind and ran wild, but wasn't none of his doing ... or so he claims. Sound familiar?"

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4. RippvonShar, 2010
" "In 1976, the group Ram Jam scored a hit record with a hard-rock version of the obscure 1930's Leadbelly blues tune, "Black Betty". At the time, this recording was deemed by the NAACP and C.O.R.E as "insulting black women", and both groups called for a boycott of the song. The situation: Ram Jam was a white group, but the composer (Leadbelly) was a black man. One thing is for sure - Ram Jam's version kicks some serious butt, and it's a "classic rock" staple." "

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5. NocturniaTX, 2010
[written in response to a commenter who wrote that Lead Belly recorded "Black Betty" first.]
"@ucwicket420 Incorrect.
Baker was the original recording. I didn't say he went into a recording studio.
Field recordings by musicologists are *not* uncommon. John and Alan Lomax recorded Baker in at a work (prison) farm in Sugaland, TX (I grew up near Sugarland) in 1933 performing "Black Betty" a capella while Baker was a prisoner. The Lomax recordings are available through the Library of Congress.

Lead Belly's version was recorded in 1936."

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6. tubemagpie, 2011
"To me this doesn't sound at all like a Blues.... yes it's Black/African American and sounds like a work song It has a rhythm and the clapping imposes a beat. Listen to it again and close your eyes . Imagine using a hoe in a field or perhaps a hammer in a forge(dubious).
The great thing about Leadbelly for me is the way he links the late 19th and the 20th centuries... many of his songs will have come from his early days (true folk songs) while many later were influenced by other trends."

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7. mixmastermeeks, 2011
"@DudeXMyster There realy isn't an "original" writer of this song. Most of the ones Leadbelly sang are old folk songs. It would kinda be like trying to figure out who wrote twinkle twinkle little star. Although there are a lot of songs that he recorded before anyone else. House of the Rising Sun, Black Betty, Midnight speical......ect."

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8. krzykanuk3, 2011
"FYI black betty is a whip"

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9. Epeolatry1, 2011
"@kimzilla No, a Black Betty is an old type of musket."

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10. Per Rock, 2011
"It is supposed to be a whip for slaves that was nicknamed "black betty" according to Wikpedia. I thought is was about a black lady but it seems not to be so this time...well. well"

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11. N0band, 2011
"There is a time signature here, actually: 8/8. Leadbelly claps his hand on the sixth beat, leaving out only one clap ("Jump steady, Black Betty") to enter the verse. The song is an old Afro-American work/slave-song, the topic being the whip in the supervisor's hands (nicknamed Black Betty). The lead singer sang the verses while the rest of the group joined in at the chorus. The clap signifies the fall of the pick, hammer or shovel that the group was using so that the work would proceed in unison"

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12. Reply
david tillman, 2011
"@N0band so your saying "black betty" is a whip, that means the whip had a baby and the damn thing went crazy... thanks for the laugh."

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13. Jae Shep, 2011
"it could've been about a whip, a 17th-18th century musket, a woman, a pentitentary wagon. Buts its very debatable. clearly one of those songs thats meaning has changed over time. but no one is really "wrong" about what it means"

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14. IamDottieDandridge, 2011
"@tomterrific456 he is saying jump steady black betty its an old black saying our elders still say it here in the South"

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15. MacBratt, 2011
"@apugarcia Lead Belly mixes up the lyrics, he doesn't remember the song - again, I'm a big Lead Belly fan, I researched where he got it from. The oldest recorded version is by James "Iron Head" Baker
That version is a lot better, backing vocals and lyrics that do make sense. I bet Huddie heard it in prison and added it to his repertoir to impress Lomax."

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16. ShottyIZ, 2012
"This was a prison song back in 1933 by James iron head Baker and Group, at least its the first known recording. Also if no ones knows, (in this song) Its referring to a whip that the guards used to punish convicts, its also known to be a nick name for a bottle a whiskey which Benjamin Franklin came up with when he made his drunk dictionary back in the 1700's... Come on kids keep up!"

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17. ToWatchMusic, 2012
"black betty is a gun not a woman."

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18. Baddaby, 2012
No one really knows what black betty is about. And I doubt we'll ever find out unless black belly himself says it. From his grave.

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19. gunslinginnunz69, 2012
just saying but ur comment is a disgrace to the song considering the song is about a black slave being raped by her owner and having a blue-eyed child

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20. kyrastube, 2012
"this is why I love internet. I could have gone through lifr thinking this was written by ram jam.
its amazing. I dont think its the best old blues-song Ive ever heard, but it might grow on me. I have, either way, big respect for all these old blues-singers."

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21. Chris Moos, 2014
"Thanks for all your posts, RDH. I'll chime in with this: all of us can enjoy music no matter where it comes from. But you have to understand the African-Americans who originated this style have paid a much higher price for the emotions we hear than the white artists.

To ignore the historical context is to miss a lot that's there in the music."
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"RDH" is RagtimeDorianHenry, the publisher of this sound file on YouTube.

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22. CPD0123a, 2014
"+Jamie Warrior Warlord McCallum +ValGray 1015 +Robert Parker McCollum According to the documentary on Leadbelly by the Smithsonian Channel, it's a stone-cutting song from his time in prison. The bam-a-lam part with the clap is when you hit the stone with your sledge. The rest is to keep time among the group while you ready your next swing. It's not really slavery, it's old-style hard time on a prison chain gang. (Bam-a-lam even sounds like the ring of men hitting it with their sledge hammers in a row when you think about it)"

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23. Karl Lafollette, 2014
"This song is about rape white man raping black women back in the day and she gets knocked up with white mans kid , she has the baby and there comes out a blond out her ? am i missing something ?"

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24. dwk67, 2014
"Ram Jam's version of this used to get played at sports arenas in the south awhile back but they stopped because of accusations of racism because of the mention of Betty being black. Those white boys in Ram Jam did a smokin' cover version in 1977 of this song that is a tribute to the black blues legend who wrote it, and not racist whatsoever. Political correctness is so asinine."

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25. Michael Shapiro, 2014
"I took a music class in college where we listened to this song, and our professor told us that was the sound of leadbelly chopping wood. Maybe he's wrong or maybe he's right, who cares haha."

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26. Baddaby, 2014
"Have you ever chopped wood? That sounds alot more like a man slapping his own thigh than chopping wood."

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27. Michael Shapiro, 2014
"Or perhaps leadbelly was trying to emulate the sound of chopping wood/laboring while singing"

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28. elliott nunez, 2015
"First recorded in the field by John and Alan Lomax in 1933. Also performed A Capella by convict James Baker and group at Central State Farm Sugarland Texas.Leadbelly recorded it later 1939 I believe..Lead Belly and the Lomax boys were longtime associates....In prison perhaps?"

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29. Reply
Cool Breeze, 2015
"Thanks for the info. It appears that James "Iron Head" Baker was the first person to sing it acapella and have it recorded by the Lomaxes. The recording is also on YouTube."

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30. Hans Josef, 2016
"+elliott nunez Yeah, and before it was recorded it was sung by sharecroppers around the turn of the century, whose parents taught it to them. "

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31. Reply
Jennifer Thomas, 2016
"+elliott nunez Lomax Father and Son were traveling the south looking for more songs to add to their collection of music. They came across him in their travels. You are right with the acapella of James Baker and friends. By that time Lead Belly was out of jail. When he made his friendship with the Lomax's he went to visit prisons with them looking for songs to record for them...when he ran out of his own of course."

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32. David Little, 2015
"Well actually lead belly's version of black betty is not an original song by any means, his is a version of a much earlier folk song which is apparently adapted from a marching tune used by british soldiers ( & possibly others??? ) who called their muskets black bettie's because they had black painted stocks....who knew ;-)"

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33. Reply
Jen Wen, 2015
"+David Little everybody quotes the same quotes from wikipedia.(which we all know isnt a reliable source.) but always seem to overlook the facts that James Baker and his partner was the first to do it, Leadbelly was the 2nd. Waaaaaay before the talk of it being about a musket and ball, is was about a bull whip, used to whip prisoners."

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34. Reply
David Little, 2015
+Jen Wen Well that is why I used the term "apparently" as I was opening a discussion on alternative possibilities to the origin of the music & reinforced it by subsequently stating that I was "philosophising" about it's origins & to categorically state that you know who did a particular song first is shall I say without trying to be offensive, sounds more dubious than any wikipedia page. There is also some references that link it it to heavy drinking & that black betty refers to a type of bottle. So basically I don't think anyone really knows. Although given that the blues partly originated from traditional songs then I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that it has a long history & no single person invented it.

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Version #3: James Iron Head Baker - Black Betty (1933)



Adelfred, Uploaded on Feb 9, 2010

"Black Betty" (Roud 11668) is a 20th century African-American work song often credited to Huddie "Lead Belly" Ledbetter as the author, though the earliest recordings are not by him. Some sources claim it is one of Lead Belly's many adaptations of earlier folk material;[1] in this case an 18th century marching cadence about a flint-lock musket.
The song was first recorded in the field by U.S. musicologists John and Alan Lomax in 1933, performed a cappella by the convict James Baker (also known as Iron Head) and a group at Central State Farm, Sugar Land, Texas.

The Lomaxes were recording for the Library of Congress and later field recordings in 1934, 1936 and 1939 also include versions of "Black Betty". It was recorded commercially in New York in 1939 for the Musicraft label by blues artist Lead Belly, as part of a medley with two other work songs: "Looky Looky Yonder" and "Yellow Woman's Doorbells".Lead Belly had a long association with the Lomaxes, and had himself served time in State prison farms.

The origin and meaning of the lyrics are subject to debate. Some sources claim the song is derived from an 18th century marching cadence about a flint-lock musket with a black painted stock; the "bam-ba-lam" lyric referring to the sound of the gunfire. Soldiers in the field were said to be "hugging Black Betty". In this interpretation, the musket was superseded by its "child", a musket with an unpainted walnut stock known as a "Brown Bess".

In "Caldwells's Illustrated Combination Centennial Atlas of Washington Co. Pennsylvania of 1876", there is a short section describing wedding ceremonies and marriage customs on page 12. Caldwell describes a wedding tradition where two young men from the bridegroom procession were challenged to run for a bottle of whiskey. This challenge was usually given when the bridegroom party was about a mile from the destination home where the ceremony was to be had. Upon securing prize, referred to as "Black Betty" the winner of the race would bring the bottle back to the bridegroom and his party. The whiskey was offered to the bridegroom first and then successively to each of the grooms friends.

The earliest meaning of "Black Betty" in the United States (from at least 1827) was a liquor bottle.In January 1736, Benjamin Franklin published The Drinker's Dictionary in the Pennsylvania Gazette offering 228 round-about phrases for being drunk. One of those phrases is "He's kiss'd black Betty."

David Hackett Fischer, in his book Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America (Oxford University Press, 1989), states that "Black Betty" was a common term for a bottle of whisky in the borderlands of northern England/southern Scotland, and later in the backcountry areas of the eastern United States.

In an interview conducted by Alan Lomax with a former prisoner of the Texas penal farm named Doc Reese (aka "Big Head"), Reese stated that the term "Black Betty" was used by prisoners to refer to the "Black Maria" — the penitentiary transfer wagon.
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Here's the lyrics to James Iron Head Baker - Black Betty (given without the bamalam exclamation) as published in the sound file review of this YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiCEVl_9-MM , published by mokaey Uploaded on Dec 17, 2008. A commenter credited this version to James Iron Head Baker.

"Oh black betty (x2)
Black Betty where you come from (x2)
Well I come from.....?...
Well I'm going to Corsicana
Black betty what's your number (x2)
750 (x2)
Oh lord (lordy) black betty (x2)
Black betty had a baby (x2)
and the damn thing crazy
ah, she dipped it's head in gravy (x2)
Oh lord black betty (x2)
Black betty where she (you) come from (x4)
Oh lord (lordy) black betty (x2)
Now (oh) the baby had blue eyes (x2)
Well it must have been the captains (x2)
Oh lordy black betty (x2)

lyrics got from blindboyblue take a look at his page if you liked this video."
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Note: The publisher's review for this sound file includes profanity and the "n word" (fully spelled out). Those portions aren't quoted in this pancocojams post.

I'm not sure which blindboyblue page this publisher is referring to.

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ADDENDUM -
From American Ballads and Folk Songs by John Lomax (originally published: January 1, 1934)
Source: http://mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=656

BLACK BETTY
Oh, Lawd, Black Betty,
Bam-ba-lamb,
Oh, Lawd, Black Betty,
Bamhalamb,
Black Betty had a baby,
Bambalamb,
Black Betty had a baby,
Bambalamb.

Oh, Lawd, Black Betty,
Bam-ba-lamb,
Oh, Lawd, Black Betty,
Bam-ba-lamb,
It de cap'n's baby,
Bam-ba-lamb,
It de cap'n's baby,
Bam-ba-lamb.
Oh, Lawd, Black Betty,
Bambalamb,
Oh, Lawd, Black Betty,
Bambalamb,
But she didn' feed de baby,
Bambalamb,
But she didn' feed de baby,
Bambalamb.

Oh, Lawd, Black Betty,
Bamhalamb,
Oh, Lawd, Black Betty,
Bambalamb,
Black Betty, where'd you come from?
Bambalamb,
Black Betty, where'd you come from?
Bambalamb.

Note given on that website with these lyrics: "Black Betty was the whip used in some southern prisons."

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Tuesday, May 6, 2014

Three Early Examples of "Rock Island Line" (with lyrics)

Edited by Azizi Powell

This post showcases three early examples of the song "Rock Island Line". The featured examples are Kelly Pace and other men [prison inmates] (1934), unnamed men [prison inmates] (1939), and Lead Belly (1944). The lyrics to those renditions of this song are included in this post.

The content of this post are presented for folkloric, cultural, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the composers of these songs. Thanks also to all those featured in these examples. And thanks to the sound file and video producers and publishers of these examples on YouTube.

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FEATURED EXAMPLES & LYRICS
These examples are presented in chronological order based on their recording dates with the oldest dated example given first.

Example 1: Original 1934 John Lomax recording of 'Rock Island Line' by Kelly Pace and Prisoners


Jan Tak, Uploaded on Sep 10, 2011

In 1934 John Lomax with the help of Huddie Ledbetter (Lead Belly) made the first two recordings of "Rock Island Line", a song that would become world-famous later. A tall tale in rhyme, the song's subject is a train so fast that it arrives at its destination in Little Rock (at 8:49) before its departure from Memphis (at "half past nine").

They arrived in Arkansas in late September and worked first in Little Rock and then at the Tucker and Cummins prison farms to the south. In recording the second version they for the first time encountered Kelly Pace - a petty criminal but an outstanding prison singer. (Pace would eventually contribute more than thirty performances to the Library of Congress archives.)

Lomax made additional recording trips to Arkansas prisons in 1939 and 1942, unaccompanied by Ledbetter. Pace was a free man at the time of the 1939 visit, but Lomax collected a third version of "The Rock Island Line," this time in Cummins Prison. Listen to that recording here: http://youtu.be/5qWpAgoJHUk

By 1942, Pace was back in stir, sent up for forty-two years for stealing a car, and once again he was the star, performing some twenty-six songs as a soloist or member of a larger group. One of these is a fourth performance of "The Rock Island Line," the last version collected in Arkansas by Lomax.

In the meantime Ledbetter immediately recognized the potential of the tune and eventually played a major role in making it famous. He recorded it many times, first for folksong collectors at the Library of Congress in 1937 and later for commercial labels (RCA Victor in 1940 and Capitol in 1944, among others).

LYRICS- ROCK ISLAND LINE
Chorus:
Soloist -I said the Rock Island Line
Group - Is a mighty good road
Soloist - I said the Rock Island Line
Group- Is the road to ride
Soloist - I said the Rock Island Line
Group- Is a mighty good road
All : If you want to ride, you gotta ride like you find it
Buy your ticket at the station on the Rock Island Line

Soloist #1 - Well Jesus died to save me all of my sins
Soloist #2 - Well a glory to God we gonna meet Him again

Chorus [2x]

Well the train left Memphis at half past nine
It made it to Little Rock at eight forty nine

Chorus [2x]

Soloist #1 - Well Jesus died to save me all of my sins
Soloist #2 - Well a glory to God we gonna meet Him again

Chorus [2x]

Transcription by Azizi Powell from this recording. Additions and corrections are welcome.

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Example #2: Original 1939 John and Ruby Lomax recording - Rock Island Line



Jan Tak Uploaded on Jun 27, 2011

Between March 31, 1939 and June 14, 1939 John Avery Lomax and his wife Ruby Terrill Lomax recorded approximately 25 hours of folk music (from more than 300 performers) in their "Southern States Recording Trip" for the US Library of Congress. This is one of the original recordings of "Rock Island Line", which later became famous through singers like Kelly Pace, Leadbelly, and Lonnie Donegan.
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*Thanks to slam 2011 for her possible transcription of the lines that are sung from 1:03 to 1:09:
"'Oh we have engine now an' fireman too/We got a (purty good -?) an' a brakeman too'".

Update: June 30, 2016. Thanks to Julia Glanville for her transcription of this line as "We got pretty good porters and brakeman too". Read the rest of Julia's comment below.

LYRICS - ROCK ISLAND LINE
Chorus:
Soloist -Oh the Rock Island Line
Group - Is a mighty good road
Soloist - Oh the Rock Island Line
Group- Is the road to ride
Soloist - Oh the Rock Island Line
Group- Is a mighty good road
All : If you want to ride, you gotta ride like you find
Buy your ticket at the station on the Rock Island Line

[repeat the entire chorus]

Soloist #1 - Oh the saints got the message just on time
Soloist #2 - It be leavin' at the depot at a eight forty nine

Chorus [2x]

Soloist #1: Oh we have an engine and a fireman too
Soloist #2: We got pretty good porters and brakeman too.

Chorus [2x]

Soloist #1 - Oh, Jesus died to save me all of my sins
Soloist #2 - Oh well a glory to God we gonna meet Him again

Chorus [2x]
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Transcription by Azizi Powell from this recording. Additions and corrections are welcome.

The word "saints" in the line "oh the saints got the message" etc." refers to members of the church.

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Example #3: Roots of Blues -- Lead Belly Rock Island Line"



Slowtubbi, Uploaded on Jul 18, 2008

Recorded: 1944

Huddie William Ledbetter, (January, 1888 -- December 6, 1949) was an American folk and blues musician, notable for his clear and forceful singing, his virtuosity on the twelve string guitar, and the rich songbook of folk standards he introduced.
He is best known as Leadbelly or Lead Belly. Though many releases list him as "Leadbelly," he himself spelled it "Lead Belly." This is also the usage on his tombstone, as well as the Lead Belly Foundation.
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LYRICS: ROCK ISLAND LINE
(as performed by Lead Belly)

[Chorus]
Oh that Rock Island Line is a mighty good road,
Oh that Rock Island Line is that road to ride,
Oh that Rock Island Line is a mighty good road,

If you want to ride, you got to ride it like you find it,
Get your ticket at the station on the Rock Island Line.
Jesus died to save our sins--hooray to God,
We're going to meet him again!

[Chorus]
Oh that Rock Island Line is a mighty good road,
Oh that Rock Island Line is that road to ride,
Oh that Rock Island Line is a mighty good road

I may be right and I may be wrong,
You are going to miss me when I'm gone!

[Chorus]
Oh that Rock Island Line is a mighty good road,
Oh that Rock Island Line is that road to ride,
Oh that Rock Island Line is a mighty good road

A, B, C, W, X, Y and Z
Cats in the cupboard, but they don't see me!

[Chorus]
Oh that Rock Island Line is a mighty good road,
Oh that Rock Island Line is that road to ride,
Oh that Rock Island Line is a mighty good road

Source: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/l/leadbelly/rock+island+line_20302510.html
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ADDED July 1, 2016
The verse beginning with "A.B.C" is a version of an old English nursery rhyme called "Great A, little a, Bouncing B". According to http://www.mamalisa.com/?t=es&p=1574&c=116 "The earliest version in print of that rhyme goes back to 1744". That page features an example of that rhyme in Southern African American dialect and that same version's standard English words. Several other examples from England are found on http://www.mamalisa.com/?t=es&p=1574&c=116

My guess is that the "Great A, little a, Bouncing B" rhyme pattern may have (probably unknowingly) inspired Jay Z's 2001 Hip Hop song "Izzo" (H.O.V.A)- "H to the Izz-o, V to the Izz-A ", although most people hearing that line probably think it sounds like an example of "Pig Latin". Click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_Latin for information about Pig Latin.

A similar form of the rhyming pattern that Jay Z used for his "Izzo" (H.O.V.A.) songs was used in a couple of chants by the comedic Black character "Starrkeisha". Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-starrkeisha-cheer-squad-petty-cheer.html for a pancocojams post on the Starrkeisha "Petty" Cheer".

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Sunday, March 30, 2014

Lead Belly - "Where Did You Sleep Last Night?" (also known as "Black Girl" and "In The Pines") lyrics, information, and comments

Edited by Azizi Powell

This post presents song lyrics and a sound file example of Lead Belly's rendition of "Where Did You Sleep Last Night" (also known as "Black Girl" and "In The Pines"). This post also includes information & comments about this song from the Mudcat folk music forum and a comment from that sound file's viewer comment thread.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composers of "Where Did You Sleep Last Night" ("Black Girl", "In The Pines"). Thanks also to the collectors of this song and thanks to Lead Belly for his renditions of this song. Thanks to the publisher of this sound file on YouTube and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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SHOWCASE EXAMPLE: Lead Belly - Where Did You Sleep Last Night? (1944) (TRUE STEREO)



Boblyblitzbob, Uploaded on Feb 12, 2010

I used my forensic software to split the guitar from vocals in this classic recording. I then eq'd it and remixed the stems.
Probably one of the oldest songs in stereo.
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Here's a comment from this sound file's viewer comment thread*
Antonio Iglesias, 2014
"Huddie Ledbetter AKA Lead Belly: 1/20/1888

- In true songster fashion, this musician traveled throughout the United States with his iconic twelve-string guitar and expertly performed music in the genres of folk, gospel, and a number of blues styles (namely country and Delta). Though he often found himself incarcerated, he spent his time as a prisoner learning songs that he would perform throughout the rest of his life; on more than one occasion he even used his music as a means of early release. “Goodnight Irene”, “Black Betty”, and “In the Pines” (aka “Where Did You Sleep Last Night”) are just a few examples of his recordings that have gone on to influence artists from Peter Seeger and Creedence Clearwater Revival to Nirvana and Old Crow Medicine Show."

* WARNING: This sound file viewer comment thread contains a number of comments that include profanity and offensive language including a number of uses of the fully spelled out form of what is now commonly known as "the n word".

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LYRICS OF ONE VERSION OF "IN THE PINES" THAT LEAD BELLY SUNG

Black girl, black Girl, dont lie to me
Tell me where did you sleep last night?
In the pines, In the pines, Where the sun never shine
I shivered the whole night through.

Black girl, black girl, where will you go
Im going where the cold wind blows
In the pines, In the pines, Where the sun never shine
I will shiver the whole night through.

Black girl, black Girl, dont lie to me
Tell me where did you sleep last night?
In the pines, In the pines, Where the sun never shine
I shivered the whole night through.

My Husband was a Railroad man
Killed a mile and a half from here
His head, was found, In a drivers wheel
And his body hasn't never been found.

Black girl, black girl, where will you go
Im going where the cold wind blows
You called me to weep and you called me to moan
You called me to leave my home

Source: http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/3530822107858607935/

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INFORMATION & SELECTED COMMENTS ABOUT THIS SONG
From http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=1439

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: In the Pines (Joan Baez/Leadbelly?)
From: autoharpbob
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 10:01 AM

"Great version by Leadbelly, but the consensus seems to be the song predates him - like most around that time (Carter Family!) they were singing songs they already knew and claiming them for their own. Heard Sarah McQuaid do a haunting version of this recently."

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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: In the Pines (Joan Baez/Leadbelly?)
From: bobad
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 11:27 AM

"Leadbelly also sang it as "My girl, my girl......." "...
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: In the Pines (Joan Baez/Leadbelly?)

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From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 12:06 PM

"Yes, bobad, he used to sing it that way sometimes and I heard he was none to keen to do so. White singers such as Cisco Houston used to sing 'My Girl' although Lonnie Donegan recorded it is 'Black Girl' again. Both superb versions. It's sometimes listed as both of these titles as well as 'Where Did You sleep Last Night?'

... The song always sounds like it's part of a longer one as is 'Who's Gonna Shoe Your Pretty Little Feet'"

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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: In the Pines (Joan Baez/Leadbelly?)
From: Goose Gander
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 03:57 PM

"More of a cluster of songs and floating verses than a song. Common to black and white singers in the American South in the early twentieth century. I would be very surprised if anyone could find an 'original' of this one."

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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: In the Pines (Joan Baez/Leadbelly?)
From: Q
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 06:00 PM

" "Black Girl" seems to be the earliest version collected; 1917 by Sharp; only one verse:

Black Girl, black girl, don't lie to me
Where did you stay last night?
"I stayed in the pines where the sun never shines,
And shivered when the cold wind blows."

According to Wikipedia, the "longest train" verses were added and recorded in 1925. In a 1970 thesis, some 160 permutations of the song appear."
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Here's the link to the Wikipedia page for this song: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Pines

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: In the Pines (Joan Baez/Leadbelly?)
From: Sarah McQuaid
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 10:05 AM

..."Also known as 'Black Girl' and 'Where Did You Sleep Last Night', this song is often credited to Huddie Ledbetter, a.k.a. Lead Belly (1888-1949), but in fact it dates back to at least the 1870s, and is probably Southern Appalachian in origin. Cecil Sharp collected it from a Miss Lizzie Abner in Oneida, Kentucky, on 18 August, 1917, under the name 'Black Girl' and comprising just four lines:

Black girl, black girl, don't lie to me
Where did you stay last night?
I stayed in the pines where the sun never shines
And shivered when the cold wind blows

In Long Steel Rail: The Railroad in American Folksong (2000), Norm and David Cohen write:

Two years later, Newman I. White obtained four lines that a student of his had heard sung by a black railroad work gang in Buncombe County, North Carolina:

The longest train I ever saw
Was on the Seaboard Air Line,
The engin pas' at a ha' pas' one,
And the caboose went pas' at nine.

In 1921-22, Frank C. Brown obtained a long text from Parl Webb of Pineola, Avery County, North Carolina, that included both the "in the pines" couplet and the "longest train" couplet ... during the years 1921-22, Brown did obtain recordings of "In The Pines" – the earliest ones to be made"...
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This discussion threads also includes other lyrics to this song, including the lyrics of a version sung by Joan Baez.

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Thursday, December 12, 2013

Lead Belly's And Several Other Versions Of "Give The Fiddler A Dram" (Examples & Comments)

Edited by Azizi Powell

This post provides several text examples, one sound file, and one video example of the Old Time Music fiddler song "Give The Fiddler A Dram".

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, historical, cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

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INFORMATION ABOUT "GIVE THE FIDDLER A DRAM" (tune and song)
From http://tunearch.org/wiki/Annotation:Give_the_Fiddler_a_Dram_(2)
"GIVE THE FIDDLER A DRAM [2]. AKA - "Fiddler a Dram," "Fiddler's Dram." Unrelated to "Dance All Night." Old-Time, Breakdown. USA, Arkansas, Alabama, Mississippi, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia... One version of this tune was played at a 1931 LaFollette, north-east Tennessee fiddlers' contest, according to a local newspaper of the time. The title appears in a list of traditional Ozark Mountain fiddle tunes compiled by musicologist/folklorist Vance Randolph, published in 1954. It was also listed by the Fayette Northwest Alabamian of August 19th, 1929, as one of the tunes likely to be played at an upcoming fiddlers' convention (Cauthen, 1990), and was recorded in 1939 for the Library of Congress by Herbert Halpert from the playing of Mississippi fiddler W.E. Claunch. Gerry Milnes, in the notes for his album "Hell Up Coal Creek," writes that this tune was one of old Tom Dillon's (of Webster County, W.Va.) showpiece tune. Dillon was a character who busked around sandlot baseball games for drinks and tips, often dancing while he played. Another trick of his was to play with two bows strapped together. "Girl with the Blue Dress On" is a related tune."...

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EXAMPLES OF "GIVE THE FIDDLER A DRAM"
Example #1: Lead Belly - Dig a Hole & Tight Like That



sherpa285, Uploaded on Dec 10, 2011
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From Google Books The Life & Legend Of Leadbelly by Charles K. Wolfe, ‎Kip Lornell, p. 20
“One old fiddle song- borrowed from the American fiddler tradition, not necessarily from whites- was Leadbelly’s version of the familiar “Give The Fiddler A Dram” which he called “Gwine Dig A Hole Put The Devil In”. This hard driven breakdown with simple expandable verses could easily be drawn into a fifteen- or-twenty minute set. Whites have often sung about giving the fiddler a dram of liquor; the line among black performers dealt with digging a hole to put the devil in...

Gwine* dig a hole put the devil in
Gwine dig a hole put the devil in
Gwine dig a hole
Gwine dig a hole
Letta dig a hole**
Letta dig a hole**

Yee ha! They all clappin and shoutin. The devil comin now. He don't know what it's all about, but they do.

Gwine dig a hole
Gwine dig a hole
Let me dig a hole to put the devil in
Let me dig a hole
Let the devil in
Let the devil in

Then they start

Gimme little bit of dram***
Little bit of dram
Little bit of dram
Little bit of dram

When the boss is gone they startin

I don't give a damn
Don't give a damn
Don't give a damn
Don't give a damn
Don't give a damn
I don't give a damn...
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*Gwine is a no longer used Southern regional (USA) dialectic word which means "gonna".

**This word sounds like "pole" but I think that Lead Belly meant "hole".

***dram - a portion of an alcoholic drink

This transcription is from a United States Library of Congress recording of an interview with Huddie Ledbetter that was conducted by Alan Lomax. Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/12/lead-belly-dig-hole-put-devil-in-its.html for the complete lyrics with Lead Belly's comments. My opinions about the meaning of that rendition of "Give The Fiddler A Dram" are included in the comment section below.

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Example #2: 14 PertNearSandstone 2011-04-09 Give The Fiddler A Dram



tapermark, Uploaded on May 13, 2011

Pert Near Sandstone live at the Goodfoot Lounge in Portland, Oregon on 4/9/2011 performing Give The Fiddler A Dram.
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From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pert_Near_Sandstone
"Pert Near Sandstone is a bluegrass band from Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota, and part of the Minnesota Roots Music scene"...
Click http://www.reverbnation.com/pertnearsandstone for more information about this band.

Here's my partial transcription of that rendition. Additions and corrections are welcome.

Dance all night with a bottle in my hand [3x]
Just go give the fiddler a dram*

Jawbone walk and jawbone talk
Jawbone eat with a knife and fork
Oh jawbone you better get along
Here comes Sally with the red dress on
Who’s been here since she’s been gone
Pretty little girl with the red dress on
She took it off and Jenny put it on
Here comes Sally with the big boots on
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Italics mean that I'm not sure about those words.
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It occurs to me that line "jawbone walk and jawbone talk" refers to the man who plays the jawbone. Understanding that that line refers to the jawbone player makes sense out of the subsequent line of that verse - except that there's another verse about putting a jawbone on a fence and haven't seen it since. That undoubtedly was an actual jaw bone.

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Example #3 - #4 from http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=56403
"Lyr Req: Give the Fiddler a Dram"

Example #3 (posted by Cluin 03 Feb 03 - 08:01 PM)

From the album "Atlantic Bridge" by Jane Rothfield & Allan Carr (with Martin Hadden), 1987 Green Linnet Records

FIDDLER A DRAM
(Trad. Arr. Rothfield & Carr)

My dog gone, Jimmy come along
Here comes Sammy with the red shoes on
He took `em off and I put `em on
Here comes Tommy with the big boots on
He took `em off and I put `em on
Here comes Sammy with the red dress on
He took it off, I put it on
Twenty long years since he's been gone

Got me a job, sittin' on a fence
Haven't seen a damn thing since
Worked all night with a bottle in my hand
Come on give the fiddler a dram

Fiddler a dram, Fiddler a dram
Come on give the fiddler a dram
Fiddler a dram, Fiddler a dram
Come on give the fiddler a dram

Some drink wine, some drink water
Come on give the fiddler a quarter
I drink whisky; it makes me holler
Come on give the fiddler a swaller
Got me a job, sittin' on a fence
Haven't done a damn thing since
Work all night with a fiddle in my hand
Come on give the fiddler a dram

Fiddler a dram, Fiddler a dram
Come on give the fiddler a dram
Fiddler a dram, Fiddler a dram
Come on give the fiddler a dram

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Example #4 (posted by Bee-dubya-ell, Date: 03 Feb 03 - 09:25 PM)

I have a cassette recording of a radio program that was taped at a festival in Indiana in the 70's. Indiana fiddler Dan Gellert does "Give the Fiddler a Dram" on it. Here are the lyrics he uses:

Dance all night with a bottle in my hand
Good God almighty give the fiddler a dram

Who's been here since I've been gone
Pretty little girl with a red dress on

My name is Sam and I don't give a damn
I can get to Hell just as quick as you can

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RELATED LINK
http://www.ceolas.org/cgi-bin/ht2/ht2-fc2/file=/tunes/fc2/fc.html&style=&refer=&abstract=&ftpstyle=&grab=&linemode=&max=250?give+the+fiddler+a+dram The Fiddler's Companion: "Give The Fiddler A Dram".

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Thanks to these musicians/singers for their renditions of and recollections of "Give The Fiddler A Dram". Thanks to all those who I quoted in this post.

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Tuesday, December 10, 2013

Lead Belly's Comments About "Shoo Fly" & Other 19th Century & Early 20th Century Dances

Edited by Azizi Powell

[revised March 26, 2014]

This post focuses on various 19th century African American instructional dances – (dances that are performed to directional [instructions or commands, i.e. “calls”) that folk singer/performer Lead Belly made about the "shoo fly" dance or dance movement and other dance movements that he recalls some African Americans performing in the late 19th century or early 20th century.

This post also includes my comments about the continuity of the instructional dance tradition as evidenced by some 20th century, and 21st century African American & Caribbean dance songs.

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GENERAL COMMENTS AND INFORMATION ABOUT THE SONG "SHOO FLY"
"Shoo" = an exclamation that means "Go away"; "Get out of here", usually said while waving hands, motioning the person, animal, or insect (such as a fly) to move away.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoo_Fly,_Don't_Bother_Me
“Shoo Fly, Don’t Bother Me” was first published in 1869 by White, Smith & Perry. It is not entirely clear who wrote it, but Thomas (T.) Brigham Bishop is often given credit. Bishop was a colorful fellow. He was born in Maine in 1835, and from an early age had success as a musician. He was a performer on the “negro minstrel” *circuit, and wrote, or claimed to have written, co-authored, and composed a handful of very popular Civil War era songs, such as “Glory, Glory Hallelujah” and “John Brown’s Body.” He was undoubtedly involved in producing some popular music, but other composers have also laid claim to some of the same songs, and there is little evidence to provide a definitive answer...

[Bishop] reportedly wrote “Shoo Fly” during his time as a commanding officer of a black regiment, referred to as ‘Company G’ in the song, during the Civil War. There are a couple of versions of the story, but the common thread is that he heard one of the soldiers say, “Shoo, fly, don’t bother me!” and it ignited his imagination. He wrote the tune and lyrics and then taught the song to his men. It quickly caught on. After its military run, the song became a regular part of black and blackface comedy routines, with an accompanying dance. Other people also published versions of the song, but Bishop claimed that it had been pirated from him".
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*"negro minstrel circuit" - performance circuits for performers of songs that were purported to be or were actually from Southern African American sources or were pertaining to Southern African Americans (These weren't the same performance circuits as the 20th century "Chitlin Circuit" that refers to the usual performance sites throughout the USA for Black non-religious performers; Also to be clear, Brigham Bishop was an Anglo American

Click http://shoo-fly.weebly.com/http://shoo-fly.weebly.com/ “Shoo Fly!” for more information about the history of the song "Shoo Fly". That article and the Wikipedia page whose link is given above also include the original lyrics to that song.

WARNING: The original lyrics for "Shoo Fly Don't Bother Me" contain offensive language [the n word fully spelled out].

Also, click http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skip_to_My_Lou for information about the play party song "Skip To My Lou" which includes the phrase "shoo fly shoo".

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LEAD BELLY EXCERPT #1 - THE SHOO FLY DANCE OR DANCE CALL
From Google Books The Life & Legend Of Huddie Ledbetter by Wolfe/lornell, pps 20-21
"De white folk ‘low dem [allow them] to have de frolic* with de fiddle and or banjo or windjammer. Dey dance out on de grass, forty or fifty n-----rs**, and dem big girls nineteen year old git out dere barefoot as de goose. It jes’ de habit of de times, 'cause dey all have shoes. Sometimes de call*** de jig dance and some of dem sure dance it, too. De prompter*** call “All git ready.” Den de holler . “All balance,” and den he sing out “Swing your partner”, and dey does it. Den he say “All promenade”, and dey goes in de circle****. One thing that dey calls “Bird in de Cage”. Three join hands round de girl in de middle, and dance around her, and then she git out and her partner git in the center ***** and dey dance awhile.”...

These turn-of- the century gatherings featured a number of different styles of dancing. The older people preferred the classic Texas square dance, which had developed from the French cotillion and contra dances decades earlier.

[Huddie Ledbetter's comments]
“They called the sets all the time when they danced”, said Huddie. “They called “Shoo Fly”, uses [sic] “shoo fly” mean square dance. It worked this way: a couple would get on the dance floor, and on cue from the caller, begin to circle to the right. And then, said Huddie, when you get back to your home [starting place], grab your partner, the first man on the head “shoo fly”. When they begin to “shoo fly” then they holler
“Shoo fly, shoo fly
Shoo fly, shoo fly”

Then they commence to hollering
One dollar bill baby, won’t buy you no shoes.
One dollar bill baby, won’t buy you no shoes.
One dollar bill baby, won’t buy you no shoes.
One dollar bill baby, won’t buy you no shoes.

Then the next man would head “shoo fly”: get his partner and circle around. This continued until each couple had circled to home; they would make a ring and circle again, find their partners, and begin to “dance on ahead and dance toward the candy stand”.

Younger partners preferred a faster beat and a faster tune, and did a complex set of dance steps that Huddie later referred to as “breakdowns” or “the old buck and wing”. “You got to do it real fast”. And when you breakdown, you ain’t tapping, you just work your legs. Now a long time ago, my grandfather, my great grandfather say you ain’t dancing till you cross your legs.” The Baptist church tried to discourage African religious practices among slaves. It forbade not only drumming, but any kind of dancing – with dancing defined as movement that involved crossing the legs...

Another account from the twentieth century describes a dance called the Dog Scratch being done by two individuals surrounded by a circle of men who shouted encouragement , and clapped, and eventually joined in. Mance Lipscomb recalled two dancers engaged in “cutting contests...seeing who could outdance the other. You ever seen two roosters flappin’ up alongside the other? It was like that.” Leadbelly also recalled a dance called “Knocking the Pigeon Wing”."
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* "frolic" = a dance gathering

**"n----rs" - what is now known as the "n word"; That word is fully spelled out in this book.

***"call" here means "dance instructions given by a person serving as a 'caller' while couples danced", "prompter" means "the caller".

****This probably means “move around the circle” similar to or the same as “skip around the circle”, and not “go inside the circle”.

***** I think this means “and then she gets out [of the inner circle made by the three people surrounding her; she remains in the center] and her partner gets in the center” and they dance awhile.
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The authors also mention “the Short Dog”, “cutting the pigeon wing”, doing the “Eagle Rock”, and "tap dancing", which is described as “the newer dance derived from these old dance steps.“

In the quote given below as Excerpt #1, Lead Belly indicates that "shoo fly" was used by African Americans as a dance call (in the late 19th century or early 20th century). As such that call appears to have been a caller's directional command to move [or perhaps "to move away" fast]. Also, if I understand that same excerpt correctly, Lead Belly indicates that "shoo fly" was a general referent for square dancing, although perhaps that quote means that when the phrase "shoo fly" was used, it meant that a particular type of dancing was occurring or would occur i.e. "shoo fly" signaled or referred to a particular type of couples dance movement or movements that were performed in a ring (circle) when a caller indicated what moves were to be performed). Those usages undoubtedly came from the "Shoo Fly Don't Bother Me" song as evidenced by the fact that Lead Belly recalls people singing a portion of that song while they did that "shoo fly" movement during that ring (circle) dance.

The Appalachian square dance call "shoo fly swing" probably is a different dance call than that 19th century African American "shoo fly" call. However, watching videos such as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KKvElR4ZaA may provide some ideas about how African American ring dances which were "called" were performed.

That said, even though he talked about circle dances and not line dances, Lead Belly's descriptions of the "shoo fly" and other ring dance movements also remind me of the Liberian Grand March. Like the Virginia Reel, the Liberian Grand March was derived from American dances that had their sources in European contra dances. Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2012/02/grand-march-liberia-west-africa.html for a pancocojams post on the Liberian Grand March.

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LEAD BELLY EXCERPT #2 - THE WORD "SUKEY" AND THE MEANING OF "SUKEY JUMP"
From http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1737&page=3 "American Folk Songs Of Black Origin"
Magneto, 12-15-2010, 03:55 PM Post #28
"According to Eric Partridge's Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English, one meaning of the word "sukey" (circa 1820) was a general servant or "slavey." Hence a "sukey jump" referred to a dance or party in the slave quarters; after slavery, it was simply a term for a house dance.

In the following conversation, recorded by Library of Congress folklorist Alan Lomax in Washington in 1940, Huddie gives us some idea of all the dancing going on at a sukey jump, circa 1900. The conversation is being recorded onto discs which contain perhaps three or four minutes each, and are spinning around at 78 revolutions per minute. There is no time for long pauses or considered answers. While the interview sounds a bit like a word association game, it does gives an impression of what the dances were like.

Lomax: I want Huddie to tell you about the way they put on the square dances down in Louisiana when he was a boy, growing up, in the backwoods. Huddie, what did they call square dances?

Ledbetter: Called them sukey jumps.

Lomax: Why did they call them sukey jumps?

Ledbetter: Well, because they danced so fast, the music was so fast, and the people had to jump, so they always called them sukey jumps.

Lomax: Do you know what "sukey" means?

Ledbetter: Sukey - well, that's a cow sometimes when you tell her, "Sukey, sukey, sukey," you know, keeping the cow away.

Lomax: Did they ever holler that at the dances when they had them?

Ledbetter: They'd just holler "Sukey jump!" and they'd holler, "One dollar bill, baby, won't buy you no shoes," just anything they feel like singing in there.

Lomax: What kind of music did they have?

Ledbetter: Well, they had a fiddler in them times; and accordions.

Lomax: And what were the names of some of the tunes they played?

Ledbetter: The tunes was "Poor Howard," he was a poor boy and he played the fiddle. He was the first fiddler after the negroes got free from slavery time. Poor Howard was a negro used to play for them at the sukey jumps. And the number he played was "Poor Howard, Poor Boy."

Lomax: How does that go?

Ledbetter: [Plays and sings.] "Poor Howard, Poor Boy" goes like this.

Lomax: Huddie, did they call the sets [as in square dance calls] at these dances?

Ledbetter: They called the sets all the time when they danced; they called "Shoo-fly," you could shoo-fly, and the square dance.

Lomax: How did that sound? Give us a sketch of how they called the sets down there.

Ledbetter: When they called the sets, they holler,

"Hey, man, you swing mine and I'll swing yours,"
but when they first get on the floor, they holler,
"Grab your partners, step the right way round,"
they always drive right way,
"Now, man, you know you're going wrong,
now circle left way round,
and when you get back to your home,
grab your partner,
the first man on the head, shoo-fly."
When you get the shoo-fly, then they holler,
"Shoo-fly, Shoofly"
then they come to the holler,
"One dollar bill baby won't buy you no shoes."

[Huddie goes on singing and playing, calling the set "One dollar bill. . ."]

Lomax: Huddie, did they have any real fast numbers at these dances? Do you remember any of those?

Ledbetter: They'd pick 'em up.

Lomax: When they'd do the hoedown and. . .

Ledbetter: They'd pick 'em up, you know, they'd have some fast ones when they'd just go, like, "Green Corn, Come Along Charlie," "Gonna Dig a Hole to Put the Devil In," and, "Tight Like That," sometimes they'd holler, say, "Tight like this!"
[They are both talking at once through here.]

Lomax: What did they mean by that Huddie, really? I mean, tell us confidentially what they mean by "tight like that."

[Lomax may have been fishing for some sexual innuendo, but Huddie wasnt playing along, perhaps realizing there was nothing confidential about this interview.]

Ledbetter: "Tight like that" means when you got your partner, grab and hug her tight, and keep her going, but when it comes time the boy grab his partner, he grab her and giving her a hug, he says, "Tight like this, it was tight like this, but now it's tight like this." And the boys'd be jumping on "Tight like that."

Lomax: What were some of the dance steps, Huddie, when they were playing some of these fast tunes?

Ledbetter: Well, ain't no dance steps you could do but "breakdown," and that's a fast number. You can't dance no tap dance, I don't think, a fast breakdown number, course you might, but that's where all the tap dances [Huddie is talking very fast, as though he's afraid of being interrupted] . . . all the tap dances come from the old "buck and wing" what they used to do. Well, the breakdown dance, nobody do 'em now, but I don't guess nobody know nothing about it very much, but me, and I do the breakdown. When you do it you got to do it real fast, and when you breakdown you ain't tapping, you just working your legs. Now, a long time ago my grandfather, great-grandfather, say, "you ain't dancing til you cross your legs." So I guess now, nobody dancing because they don't cross their legs hardly ever. But when you do that old breakdown, and wing down, and green corn and that old ground shovel and, uh . . .

Lomax: What about "knocking the pigeon wing?"

Ledbetter: . . . pigeon wing and . . .

Lomax: . . . cutting the back step?

Ledbetter: . . . cutting the short dog, well, you got to cross your legs.

Lomax: Huddie, play us one of those tunes, something like "Gonna Dig a Hole to Put the Devil In," and tell us what it means, too, you know.

Ledbetter: "Gonna Dig a Hole to Put the Devil In" - long years ago, that was when they see the boss coming, you know? And the boys would see the boss coming, well, they didn't like him, you know, but they'd be together, nothing but negroes all piled up there together. When they'd see him coming, they'd say, "Well, we're gonna dig a hole to put the devil in," boy they'd start a-jumping. [plays "Gonna dig a hole. . ." with very fast accompaniment on guitar.]

Lomax: Huddie, can you play "Green Corn" on the twelve-string guitar?

Ledbetter: I think I can.

Lomax: Let's hear a little of "Green Corn." [Huddie starts to strum his guitar. Lomax interrupts] Slow and easy and sweet, Huddie! [Huddie slows the tempo] What is green corn, anyhow? Tell us about it when you sing the song.

Ledbetter: [Strumming and explaining] Now, this is a fast sukey jump too, but the boys take it easy sometimes when they want to sukey jump; keep them dancing so hard and take it easy on the ground, shuffle around with your partner, [sings, but doesn't explain "green corn". Lomax tries to interrupt with "What is green corn?" but Huddie either doesn't hear, or ignores him.]

Lomax: [Just as the song ends] What is green corn? What is green corn, Huddie? [Lomax likely wants to hear that green corn is some form of white lightning, but, again, Huddie is not co-operating. He keeps it simple.]

Ledbetter: Green corn is an ear of corn - when it's green. What they mean by green corn, they're just putting that in the words, you know, 'cause the man is green and they didn't know what they was talking about themselves. What they was speaking about is an ear of corn when it's green. Down south when the corn gets dry, why then that's corn - hard corn, then. But when they say "green corn", that means it's green, you can go out in the field and pull it and roast it. . .

Lomax: I thought you meant green corn whiskey.

Ledbetter: No, not no green corn whiskey, they didn't know nothing about no corn liquor at that time. They had old-time liquor, you know, that's real good liquor, wasn't no bootleggers then. Couldn't make no liquor. How are they going to make liquor when they're all slaves? [Huddie sounds condescending] The old boss they wouldn't get no liquor till the boss would give it to them.

Lomax: Huddie, at these old-timey sukey jumps, did people dance in their bare feet, or with shoes on?

Ledbetter: Well, them that could get shoes, they would dance like that and lots of them didn't have 'cause I know plenty boys in my time

Lomax: [interrupting] . . .what about the women? Would they wear shoes or not?

Ledbetter: Well, when they could get them. If they couldn't, they just go barefooted.

Lomax: Would they ever circle left in these dances, or

Ledbetter: They's circle left right, they'd start out right. . .

Lomax: . . .they'd start right first?

Ledbetter: That's right. . .

Lomax: [talking on top of Huddie] How many times would they go around right?

Ledbetter: Well, you see, when they'd first start right, they'd go around right and then the man would holler, "Circle left way round,"

Lomax: And they'd gone one time around?

Ledbetter: That's right and then he'd holler, "Circle right way around again, and when you get back home, grab your partner," so when they first start out circling right way around he'd tell them to skip on up ahead and catch the next partner in front of them, and they'd keep on catching and he'd say, "Now, when you get home, circle left way around" and when they get home, they circle left way around, he says, "Now circle right way around, and when you get back to the spot, settle down. First man on the head, grab his partner and shoo-fly." That's the way they do that down there. (Library of Congress)"
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Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2013/12/lead-belly-dig-hole-put-devil-in-its.html for a recording of portions of this recorded interview of Lead Belly by Alan Lomax. That post also includes my transcription of and comments about Lead Belly's rendition of the song "Dig A Hole Put The Devil In" as he sung it in that interview.

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BRIEF COMMENTS ABOUT 19th CENTURY AND 20th & 21th CENTURY AFRICAN AMERICAM INSTRUCTIONAL DANCES
19th century African American plantation dances such as “Juba” and “Jim Along Josie” are precursors to 20th century & 21st century African American dance instruction songs (records whose lyrics wholey or to a large extent consist of dance instructions). Those 20th century & 21st century dance instruction songs also have their source in the custom of calling square dances.

A significant percentage of 20th century/21st century African American non-religious songs are dance instruction records. Three examples are Wilson Pickett's "Land Of 1000 Dances", 69 Boyz's “Tootsie Roll” and DJ Casper's “Cha Cha Slide”.

Marcia Griffin's “Electric Slide”, and The Soca Boys' “Follow The Leader” are two examples of Caribbean dance instruction records. A 2012 example of a Caribbean dance instruction record is Fowko's "Bouyon Danse" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhubZ-24tdc

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