J-Setting, JSU's Prancing J-Settes, And Black Gay J-Setters

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest revision- October 13, 2018


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HISTORY, INFORMATION, AND COMMENTS ABOUT JACKSON STATE'S PRANCING J-SETTES
The debut of The Prancing Elites Project television series on April 22, 2015 marks Americans' latest introduction to the performance art of j-setting (jsette). That reality series which airs Wednesdays on the Oxygen network follows five gay and gender non-conforming j-sette dancers from Mobile, Alabama. Read a long quote from an article about The Prancing Elites Project in the comment section below.

The term "J-sette" (J-setting) is a tribute to the auxiliary dance line of Jackson State University's Sonic Boom marching band, the Prancing J-Settes (formerly "the Prancing Jaycettes") which originated that dance style, though some say that it was first performed by Black gays in the South or in the New York City gay ball rooms. (more on that later). The first that what is now known as "j-setting" was shown on nation-wide USA television was in 1990. To quote Wikipedia's page on j-setting*, with the noted hyperlinks added:
"[in 1990] Jackson State University's marching band's dance team the Prancing J-Settes performed the J-Settes style of marching and dancing on the “30th Anniversary of Motown” television show. The dance team appeared as part of the JSU Marching Band in performances to “I Heard it through the Grapevine”and other songs. A video of part of this performance is available on YouTube.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZU0tTSS8qQ "Motown 30th (Part 1)"

In 2003, the Prancing J-Settes performed the J-Settes marching and dancing style on the “34th NAACP Image Awards” television show. The dance team appeared as part of the JSU Marching Band in performances with comedian “Cedric the Entertainer” and “Sugar Bear of E.U.” A video of part of this performance is available on YouTube. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3CzbDtyyUc "Sonic Boom of the South" at the 34th NAACP Image Awards"]

In 2008, both the Beyoncé Knowles’ Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)[3] and Diva [4] music videos included a J-Setting style dance routine."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m1EFMoRFvY and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNM5HW13_O8]
*Quotes from Wikipedia's page on j-setting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-Setting (henceforth given as Wiki: J-Setting).
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J-setting is featured on a number of YouTube videos of JSU's Prancing J-settes and other Black university band dance lines. YouTube also showcases j-setting competitions (battles) between various Black gay dance teams (more on that later). J-setting dancers are called "j-setters".

In addition to YouTube videos, a major way that people are being introduced to j-setting is through the Lifetime network television series Bring It. The focus majorette dance group in that television series is Jackson, Mississipi's Dancing Dolls. The Dancing Dolls and the dance teams they compete against refer to themselves as "majorettes". JSU's Prancing J-Settes (formerly "Prancing Jaycettes") were a majorette squad who gave up their batons in 1970 and originated what is now known as the J-sette dance style and aesthetic. [Wiki:J-sette].

The Dancing Doll's coach D (Diana Williams) and some of that group's fans publicly recognize the influence the Prancing J-Settes have on the majorette style of dancing as exemplified by these two comments from the Facebook page "Bucking? J-Setting? Stand Battles? Oh My! More Videos by Bring It" https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1474079749486496
Dianna Williams, March 3, 2014 at 5:10pm
"YASSSSSSSSSSSSSS GET CHA LIFE MAJORETTES!!!!!! WE ARE MISSISSIPPI BRED BABY!!!!! Jsettes is where it all started for us all Anitra Williams-Bender especially for me!! Must give respect where due!! you see 2 more of our community dance fams in the video!!! PURPLE DIAMONDS AND PRANCING STEPERETTES!!! STAND UP MISSISSIPPI!!! #DD4L!!!! NOW YALL BETTER TUNE IN TO BRING IT THIS WEDNESDAY 10/9C ON LIFETIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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Myzz Sdcd Richardson, March 3, 2014 at 7:58pm
"Shout out to the PrAncing Jsettes for paving the way for these babies"
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Note that the word "prancing" is commonly used in the names of several j-sette dance lines and dance teams, for example "the Prancing J-settes", "the Prancing Elites", "the Prancing Steperettes", and the "Prancing Tigerettes". The word "prancing" is partly a tribute to the Prancing J-settes, and partly describes the movement style of Black marching bands and their dance lines:
From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prance
"prance = to to walk or move in a lively and proud way of a horse : to move by taking high steps : to lift each hoof up high when moving to strut"

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THE NAME/WORD "J-SETTES"
The "J" in the word/name "J-settes" is a referent to Jackson State University.

The "et/ette" suffix that is found in a number of [Hip hop] majorette dance teams and j-sette dance teams was typically used to feminize masculine names, for example "Georgette", "Paulette", and "Bernadette" and words, for instance "majorette". Note that JSU's Prancing J-settes is a female dance line. That "ette" ending highlights that j-setting is considered to be a female dance style on historically Black university campuses. That said, it's anecdotally reported that Black gay dancers were informally j-setting at Jackson State University in the 1990s if not earlier.

“The young men would be on the sideline during practice watching and learning,” recalls Anthony Hardaway, a gay activist and historian from Memphis who was a student at JSU from 1990 to ’94. “My friends would be on the side doing the dance alongside the girls.” However, their imi-tation was not seen by all as flattery. “Teachers and coaches would run the gay boys away,” Hardaway says with a laugh, “because when it was time for the games, the gay boys would be in the stands doing the routine and outperforming the girls on the field.” “The Big Idea: J-Setting Beyond Beyoncé”, Vibe.com (February 2009. Retrieved 2009-11-22) quoted in http://dogpossum.org/2012/09/single-ladies-j-setting-and-battle/ "Single Ladies, J-setting and battle", 24th September, 2012

The Wikipedia page on j-setting supports this statement, indicating that "During the late 1970s, African American gay men who were fans of The Prancing J-Settes regularly attended the dance team’s practice sessions, and performances at college football games and other events. Young gay men brought the J-Settes dance style back to their home towns, and to nightclubs like Club City Lights in Jackson, Mississippi; Club Skittles Baton Rouge; Incognito, Allusions, and 901 in Memphis; and Club 708 in Atlanta...

J-Setting troupes compete in dance-offs at gay cultural events. These groups of young gay men imitate the JSU Prancing J-Settes marching and dance style and dress. These dance groups perform in costumes that are similar in appearance to the JSU J-Settes uniforms; including sequined one- and two-piece leotards, with long flowing capes, sheer stockings and white marching boots."

In a 2014 announcement of a J-Sette sponsored dance competition, a spokesperson for JSU's Prancing J-Settes wrote
“Prancing J-Settes” is the official name of the Jackson State University dance line, an auxiliary group of the Jackson State University Marching Band. J-Sette marching techniques such as the “Salt and Pepper,” “J-Sette Walk,” “Strut,” and “Tip Toe “can be seen all around the world. The J-Settes consisted of lines of 12-16 squad members who marched in rows affectionately named “Short and Sassy,” “Magnificent Middle,” or a “Tall and Tough. The LGBT community totally embraced this style of dance as a way to express their creativity and love of dance which turned into the J-Sette movement. Currently, guys and girls all over the national are simulating their danced moves where competitions are held everywhere and squads come from near and far to compete, including the J-Sette Competition during Jackson Black Pride.”http://jacksonblackpride.org/?page_id=287 "J-SETTE COMPETITION"

The Wikipedia article on j-setting provides additional information about that dance style, including these statements:
"This dance style is characterized by a lead and follow format where one dancer initiates a series of dance steps, and the other dancers follow or join in the movement...

the “Salt and Pepper” is a type of prance step for which the Prancing J-Settes are named and known. It is a high-knee lift or “high step” style of marching. Alternating legs lift with a bent knee to bring the foot up to the height of the opposite knee before returning the foot to the ground.

The JSU Prancing J-Settes typically march and perform in rows organized by height. J-Setting dancers also typically perform in a line or in multiple lines. While performing, dancers may also change dance formation similar to the way that marching bands change formation during shows on football fields.

The J-Setting style of dress is modeled after the dance uniforms of the JSU Prancing J-Settes. It normally includes a one or two piece bodysuit or form-fitting garment that covers the torso and crotch; and hosiery with knee high boots on the legs. However, other types of garments are also worn during a performance."
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However, that Wikipedia article doesn't provides any information about the sources and early influences on j-setting besides the fact that it was performed by majorettes who put down their batons. The implication is that what is now known as j-setting derives solely from Southern Black marching band traditions. However, there are those who believe that Black gays were the real originators of what is now j-setting. And those same people or others believe that j-setting is an adaptation of the drag culture's voguing. Here's an excerpt of a discussion about the announcement that the Oxygen television network was preparing to launch The Prancing Elite Project series:
From http://forum.the5thquarter.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16694 "The Prancing Elite... Smh" [a discussion forum about an announcement about a proposed television series featuring The Prancing Elites, a gay j-setters group]
"Cally
Post Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 12:20 am
[quoting Danceholic and Sarge316]
"SARGE316 wrote:
Danceaholic wrote:
Hmmmmmm. An all male J-setting squad televised. Interesting!"

SARGE316 wrote
"Please remove the word J-Setting.........
Just use all Male dance squad.........."

[Cally]:"Perhaps you need to do a little history on why it is even called Jsetting....because that is exactly what it has been branded since...it started right in JSU's back yard with male gay students...so it hasn't changed in 40+ years and it won't...get over it."

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The_Show
Post Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:02 am
Location: Charlotte, NC
“For the record, "J-Setting" is a form of dance created by a female at Jackson State University which evolved into what you see today. The urban myth of it being originated by "a gay man/men in Jackson" is as completely false and ignorant as "Southern blew the Boom off step in 1997." :lol: Mofos with no affiliation to the Boom or Prancing J-Settes will still argue you down until this day with "Yuh huh! I heard that from my cousin! " even after showing them proof. :handicap:

At any rate, the style of dance is used by many men and women, regardless of sexuality, throughout the South and among our show style craft. As it pertains to men J-Setting, doing drag, or anything else concerning their effeminate behavior, meh. When you are secure in your own sexuality and masculinity, you'd really care less what the next mofos are doing with their time. Live and let live. :thumbsup:

...Carry On.."

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Cally
Post Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:40 am
“Did you know that this style of dancing was utilized in balls in Harlem in the 1960's? Even Chicago in the 1950's...

Of course unlike voguing, which back then it was referred to as "presentation" I don't recall the name, I too always thought the Jsettes invented the style....but they clearly adopted it and made it their own...

Seems to me the proper word is introduced by a female at JSU, not invented....considering a variation of this style had been used prior to the PJs putting down their batons.."

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The Show Sat Oct 04, 2014 12:17 pm
"Two different styles with no similar roots.

In the 1960s, a bunch of country, backwoods women from MS adopted a style in the gay scene of New York. The reach is real.

If you really want to know about an organization's history (D9, band, J-Settes, church), just meet a member and ask. All this "mismatched socks" information is bogus.

...Carry On.."
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I'm assuming that the sentence that refers to "a bunch of country, backwoods women from Mississippi" is supposed to be facetious. The implication is that those Mississippi women wouldn't be familiar with the New York gay scene.

That statement might not be true. Furthermore, some of the Prancing Jaycette choreographers in the 1970s-1990s may have been familiar with voguing and other gay (drag) dance styles such as "waacking".

The author of the 2012 dogpossum.org article "Single Ladies, J-setting and battle" that was previously mentioned writes that "...J-setting began with marching band dance troupes, and with women dancing. It was taken up by black gay men, partly because of the influence of a male dancer in the troupe*, but more probably because the j-setting was totally fabulous, totally competitive, and totally awesome. It retain(s) its competitive element in a gay club context”.

*This comment may refer to the statement in the Wikipedia article that one of the members of the 1997 Prancing J-Settes line was a male student who replaced a dancer who was injured.

An ABC [television] News article seems to take both sides of this debate about whether what is now called j-setting was "invented" by a female or females from the Jackson State University dance line or was a dance style that was created by gays and then adapted by JSU's dance line.
From http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/Entertainment/sette-dance-moves-loved-knowing/story?id=19041546 "How J-Setting Is Changing Pop Culture" April 26, 2013
By Alex Alvarez
"... in order to know where it's [j-setting] going, we must learn whence it came. Singer Our Lady J sums up why it's important for children to learn their roots: "Everything interesting in pop culture starts with the queens on the street. And then cis-gendered men sell it to cis-gendered pop stars, who then sell it to the masses. The queens on the street may never collect the coins, but we know where it starts. Watch this emerge in pop culture in the near future." Isn't it always the way....

So. What is J-Sette? The Pew Center for Arts & Heritage offers a succinct description in an intro to their interview with Jumatatu Poe, the founder and artistic director of idiosynCrazy. J-Sette, they write, is "an underground dance style popular in the gay African-American club scene. Borne [sic] from all-female, Southern drill-teams and often performed in domestically scaled spaces, J-Sette is characterized by sharp, explosive movements choreographed in tightly executed routines."
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Did the early choreographers of what is now known as "j-sette" invent that dance style or did they adapt that style from pre-existing dance forms such as "voguing" and "waacking" that were created by Black gay dancers? I don't know. J-setting movements remind me of both of those dance activities. However, both waacking and voguing are individual competitive activities and not group activities (with leader/group call & response motions). Also, the majorette costuming aren't found in voguing. But that doesn't mean that the early choreographers of j-setting weren't influenced by "waacking" and "voguing". Nor does it mean that those gays and non-gays who participate in and conduct j-sette competitions now aren't influenced by the waacking/voguing cultures. Notice, for instance, how similar the sound effects the hostess/director of the Atlanta j-sette competition featured in Example #2 are to the sound effects that the audience makes in response to well done voguing moves such as the death drop (as noted and as shown in videos on this pancocojams post on voguing http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2014/03/waacking-and-voguing-street-dances-part_5.html.

However, whether or not the types of dance moves that are now known as "j-setting" were influenced by dances that undeniably had their source in Black gay culture, there's no question that some Black gays (and I presume, some gays of other races/ethnicities) have embraced this dance form as have some dancers who are heterosexual.

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FEATURED VIDEOS
These videos are presented in chronological order based on their publishing date on YouTube with the oldest video presented first.

Example #1: J-Settes SWAC Champ. '08 "Under Pressure"



Demaridge Uploaded on Dec 15, 2008

J-Settes @ SWAC Championship 2008...PARDON THE MAN IN THE BACKGROUND TALKING, I THINK IT WAS HIS FIRST TIME SEEING THE J-SETTES
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SWAC = "The Southwestern Athletic Conference (SWAC) is a collegiate athletic conference headquartered in Birmingham, Alabama, which is made up of historically black universities in the Southern United States." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwestern_Athletic_Conference
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Other dance lines that are auxiliaries of SWAC member university marching bands also perform in j-setting styles.

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Example #2: 2012 ATLANTA BLACK LGBT PRIDE "J-SETTE" COMPETITION



POSHi MAS, Published on Sep 11, 2012

Snytch Magazine (http://www.snytchmagazine.com) contributing photographer & writer Marcus Jordan (#TWITTER @_POSHi_MAS | #IG @POSHi_PHOTOS) covers the Annually hosted Atlanta Black Gay Pride "J-Sette" Competition featuring groups:

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Example #3: 2012 j-settes (southern game) 5th quarter2



Fiveonit2011, Published on Sep 24, 2012

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Example #4: COCA COLA J-Setting Team - Texas Teasers



Jacob Kohinoor, Published on Sep 17, 2013

Project Turn Around

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Example #5: Memphis Black Pride 2013 J-Sette Battle 4



Rockey H, Published on Jun 18, 2013

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Example #6: The Prancing Elites of Mobile



al.com Published on Dec 24, 2014
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Notice this video shows other men in the stands who are performing their own j-setting routines to the marching band's music.

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Example #7: Bring It!: Stand Battle: Dancing Dolls vs. Prancing Tigerettes Medium Stand (S2, E12)



Lifetime, Published on Apr 17, 2015

Watch the medium portion of the stand battle between the Dancing Dolls and the Prancing Tigerettes in this scene from "Copycat."

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Voguing Death Drops & Death Drops In Other Performing Arts (information, speculation & examples)

Edited by Azizi Powell

This posts showcases several different performance arts movements that are known as "death drops". Featured in this post are examples of death drops in LGBT ballroom voguing, RuPaul's Drag Race television show and other drag performances, majorette/contemporary dance groups (battle stands), figure skating, salsa dancing, and contemporary swing dancing.

This post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are featured in this post and thanks to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.

WARNING:
All forms of death drops can be very dangerous, and shouldn't be attempted without proper instruction or practice.

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FORMS OF DEATH DROPS: BALLROOM VOGUING
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogue_(dance) [retrieved August 2014]
"Vogue, or voguing, is a highly stylized, modern house dance that evolved out of the Harlem ballroom scene in the 1980s.[1][2] It gained mainstream exposure when it was featured in Madonna's song and video "Vogue" (1990),[3] and when showcased in the 1990 documentary Paris is Burning... After the new millennium, Vogue returned to mainstream attention when the dance group Vogue Evolution competed on the fourth season of America's Best Dance Crew.[4]

Inspired by Vogue magazine, voguing is characterized by model-like poses integrated with angular, linear, and rigid arm, leg, and body movements. This style of dance arose from Harlem ballrooms by African Americans and Latino Americans in the early 1960s. It was originally called "presentation" and later "performance".[2] Over the years, the dance evolved into the more intricate and illusory form that is now called "vogue". Voguing is continually developed further as an established dance form that is practiced in the gay ballroom scene and clubs in major cities throughout the United States—mainly New York City.

Formal competitions occur in the form of balls held by "houses"—family-like collectives of LGBT dancers and performers.[2][5]

...Hand performance refers to the illusions and movements of the arms, wrists, hands, and fingers. The catwalk is the upright sashaying in a linear fashion. The duckwalk refers to the crouched, squatted, foot-kicking and scooting movements requiring balance on the balls of the feet. Floor performance refers to the movements done on the floor using primarily the legs, knees, and back. The dip is the fall, drop, or descent backward onto one's back with one's leg folded underneath. Mainstream dance forms popularized the dip, which is occasionally called the "death drop" when done in dramatics style. Due to popular media, the dip is sometimes incorrectly called the "5000", the "shablam", and the "shabam"; these misnomers stem from ballroom commentators chanting the word "shawam" when a voguer successfully completed a dip in time with the music while entertaining the audience.
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Italics are included to highlight this definition of "death drop".

I'm curious about how the voguing death drop came about. Is the death drop an outgrowth of the Lindy Hoppers' fancy dipping dance movements? Click http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitey's_Lindy_Hoppers for information about the Jazz (Swing) dance groups that were known as "Whitey's Lindy Hoppers". That name was used by several groups of professional [African American] performing groups of Savoy Ballroom swing dancers. [Those groups were] started in 1935 by Herbert "Whitey" White. Lindy Hoppers under other names also performed professionally during the late 1930s and thereafter. Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnECH77wL5c for a film clip of Whitey's Lindy Hoppers in the late 1930s.

Also notice that the sentence following the one which is given in italics indicates that "mainstream dance forms" popularized the death drop. I wonder if that sentence means that the movements that are known as "death drops" in figure skating, salsa dancing, and swing dancing were modifications of the voguing death drop.

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VOGUING DEATH DROPS AND DEATH DROPS PERFORMED IN MAJORETTE/DANCE ROUTINES

Example #1: Vogue: Dips & Drops [LGTB Ballroom]



Jay SetterUploaded on Apr 6, 2010

Jay R. Revlon Mix Conceited Ha
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Here are two comments from that video's discussion thread:
silvermoonwolf19, 2011
"Someone give me the story. The death drop is something that requires alot of practice and conditioning, right? You can't just bust it out after watching, correct?"
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Carlos Silva, 2011
in reply to silvermoonwolf19
"@silvermoonwolf19 yes it need alot of practice u just cant bust into a drop after watching this vid lol just start simple like having ur legs bend back like how they do it and have it get used to it u know stuff like that"

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Example #2:
Laganja Estranja Death Drop at Toucans [Drag queen nightclub performance]



eyesofsaline, Published on Sep 23, 2013

Werk!
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Laganja Estranja is the stage name for a drag queen who was a contestant on Season 6 of the American television series RuPaul's Drag Race. Notice the two different types of death drops that Laganja performs.

"Werk!" ="Work!" (meaning that the person addressed is doing a great job)

Another contestant on two earlier seasons of RuPaul's Drag Race, Shangela Laquifa Whatley broke two bones in her leg while performing the death drop on stage at a nightclub during a Halloween party. Previously, Shangela traveled widely teaching the death drop which she considers/ed her signature move. In 2011 Shangela was also was featured on the American television show Dance Moms teaching the death drop to those dance students. Here's a statement from Shangela's [DJ Pierce] statement about that injury:
"DJP: I was performing on stage at the Halloween event in New York City at Providence Nightclub. I was in the middle of a number, I did do a death drop, and I came down the wrong way -- my leg didn't go in the direction that it usually goes for the death drop. I don't know if my heel had gotten caught on the carpet of the stage or how that worked out, but anyhow, needless to say, it did break two bones in my lower right leg, the tibia and the fibula. They basically just snapped right there on stage. I've been doing the death drop for the last three years. I don't think it was the death drop itself that broke my leg. It was a death drop gone wrong that broke the leg."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/justin-hernandez/rupauls-drag-races-shangela_b_4564177.html
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Shangela reports that this injury resulted in over $100,000 in medical bills. This injury points out how dangerous doing death drips can be.

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Example #3: Bring It!: Stand Battle: Dancing Dolls vs. YCDT Supastarz Part 1 (S1, E15) [Death Drop In Majorette/Dance Battle Stands



Lifetime Published on Aug 7, 2014
The Dancing Dolls start the battle with the stand "Stuntmaster" and the YCDT Supastarz respond with a stand called "Hush Puppy," in this video extra from Episode 14 (A New Rival Emerges) of Bring It! [American television program]
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A very brief example of death drops occur at .25 of this video.

The YCDT [Young Contemporary Dance Theatre] Supastarz that are featured in the video given as Example #3 in this post ended their stand battle with the Dancing Dolls by performing a death drop routine that is the same or very similar to the MNW [Miami Northwestern] High School dance team's routine that is shown in that video. Unfortunately, Part II of this battle stands ends before it shows the Supastarz's death drop routine.

From comments that I've read online*, it appears that a number of the YCDT Supastarz attend MNW, and may be, or may have been members of that high school's dance team which is an auxiliary of that school's athletic teams.

I wonder if the "Hitch kick death drop is a new development of the death drop itself. If so, did this move originate with that Miami, Florida high school dance team?

*From lipstickalley.com "Re: BRING IT!! Season 2 Airs Tonight @ 9 The Dancing Dolls Are Back!"

Warning: Some comments in this discussion include profanity, explicit references, racialized statements and other content that I find problematic. For that reason, I'm not linking to it.

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Example #4: 2012-2013 MNW Golden Girls "Hitch kick death drop" [high school dance team]



heatdiva, Published on Sep 22, 2012

08/24/12 death dropping at their 1st pep rally

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Example #5: 2012-2013 MNW Golden Girls "Hitch kick death drop" [high school dance team]



heatdiva, Published on Oct 28, 2012

Ggirls death droppin & split walking at the MNW vs. Central game 10/27/12

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DEATH DROP IN FIGURE SKATING

Piece on Men's Short Program Elements - 1988 Calgary



3Axel1996, Uploaded on Oct 26, 2009

Calgary, Alberta, CANADA - 1988 Winter Games, Men's Short Program - Piece on Short Program Elements. Note Boitano's death drop. Perfect. Skaters these days don't have the flight and amplitude in the air to perform this move properly anymore. These days, it looks more like a flying camel-to-immediate-back sit spin.
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From
http://figureskating.about.com/od/glossarylett3/g/deathdrop.htm figure skating
"The difference between a death drop and a regular flying sit spin is the position of the skater in the air. Also, a skater takes off from one foot and lands on the other. In the death drop, the position is horizontal to the ice and the skater's body faces towards the ice for a short second. In a regular flying sit spin, the skater just does a traditional sit spin position in the air and lands on the take off foot. The positions in the air and the spins are really very different.
1988 Olympic Figure Skating Champion, Brian Boitano, did a spectacular death drop."
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The voguing death drop and figure skating death drop don't appear to have anything in common but their names and the dangers associated with performing those movements.

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DEATH DROP IN SALSA DANCING

How To Do the Death Drop in Advanced Salsa



TVLessonDotCom, Published on Jun 20, 2012

Advanced Salsa - How To Do the Death Drop in Advanced Salsa

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DEATH DROP IN SWING DANCING

Deathdrop walk through.MP4



David Berger Uploaded on Sep 3, 2010

This Video is an in class demonstration for ASU's Ballroom Latin Swing Classes of the Death Drop Dip. It can be performed in a variety of dances. Do not try this step without proper practice or instruction.
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As I speculated earlier in this post, I wonder if the death drop in Salsa dancing and in Swing dancing are adaptations of the voguing death drop. Or was the voguing death drop an adaptation of the Swing dance or the Salsa dance movement?

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