The Penuel Show, November 25, 2026
A follow-up from my initial video on The Coloured community in South Africa.
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Statistics as of March 14, 2026 at 9:10 AM EDT:
Total # of views - 9,124
Total # of comments -348
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The host of this podcaster"Penuel Mlotshwa, known as Penuel The Black Pen is of Zulu heritage.
Read more about this podcaster in the first pancocojams of this series whose link is given immediately below.
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Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post showcases The Penuel Show's November 25, 2025 podcast entitled "Are Coloureds A Race Or A Culture???".
This post also presents some discussion thread comments from that South African podcast.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/03/some-discussion-thread-comments-from.html for Part I of this pancocojams series.That post features discussion thread comments from another The Penuel Show podcast. That post is entitled "Some Discussion Thread Comments From The Penuel Show's 2025 YouTube Podcast "The Different Types Of Coloureds In South Africa". .
The content of this post is presented for historical and socio-cultural purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to The Penuel Show for his research and production of this podcast. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this YouTube podcast.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/03/south-african-singer-tylas-july-2024.html for a closely related 2026 pancocojams post entitled "Comments About South African Singer Tyla's July 2024 The Breakfast Club Interview (with a focus on Charlamagne's "Coloured" Question)".
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THE DISCUSSION THREAD OF THIS PODCAST.
These comments were selected out of many more examples that could have been included in this compilation. They are presented in relative chronological order with numbers given for referencing purposes only.
All of these selected comments are from 2026.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXx9q4i9zSI&t=21s
"No matter how you look at it , no matter how you identify
all of these labels, black white colored, whatever the case these are all
labels that were given these were not labels our ancestors gave us"
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2. @Mathilda5xp
"Amen to that"
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3. @maxchristians588
"Im with you on this, most colours dont know that the second generation Dutch called us Afrikaaners. But the following generations as they realise that giving us an identity more close to Africa. So they also took that identity away."
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4. @astronomers
"Coloured people in South Africa are not the same as mixed
race. Trevor Noah is mixed race — he’s not Coloured. While we may have mixed
ancestry, Coloured identity is a unique culture with deep roots that existed
long before apartheid gave it a name.
Calling us mixed race overlooks our shared heritage, language, and identity. In fact, Coloured people reflect what the world could look like beyond racism — we’re diverse in appearance but united in culture.
That’s why I wish Tyler had stood up for that identity,
instead of defaulting to an American view that doesn’t apply to us."
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"Tyler" is a mistaken referent for South African Grammy award winning singer "Tyla".
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5. @ronaldwiley8357
"Tyla never said she was black , she said that she was
Coloured, and that is why so many Black
Americans turned against her,"
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6. @mpilompanza9101
"I hear you but Tyla didn't have much of a choice. She's in
somebody else's country so she's forced to play by their rules. As a South
African I'm proud of the way she handled that situation"
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7. @vickykgoete3161
"Coloured is both a race and a culture in South Africa. It's
1 word which defines two separate things. Coloured is a race which defines
people who are mixed with more than 1 race and yes unfortunately for you,
Trevor is a coloured by race. You can't take that away from him or any other
biracial people. Them being biracial makes them coloured. Both multiracial and
biracial people are classified coloured in South Africa. Then there is coloured
the culture which you are referring to. 1 can be Coloured by race and not by
culture Trevor. 1 can be Coloured by both race and culture Tyla. I can be
Coloured by culture and not by race eg Minister McKenzie and other non mixed
looking coloured people. You guys are
like black Americans who identify as a racial category. You can't gatekeep
coloured just like they can't gatekeep black because those are racial
classification. You need to understand and separate the 2 definitions of
coloured. 1 the race and two the culture."
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8.@MAG1323-b1z
"Nice topic to explore Pen. I'm a Durban "colored".
A lot of us from Durban get some flack from other "colored" from
Gauteng or Western Cape for the fact that most of us here don't speak or
understand Afrikaans lol. Most "colored" from KZN speak Zulu or even
Xhosa before Afrikaans, or Afrikaans not at all. So yes we are VERY diverse as
"colored" people. But I think first and foremost we are SOUTH AFRICAN
🇿🇦"
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9. chris3gf
"Penuel but remember that not all
coloureds speak Afrikaans...Coloureds will label them in a term
"sturvy" coloureds because they speak the Kings English and don't
partake in what many see as coloured culture... not all coloureds speak
coloured slang...
Also there are coloureds who look white,
like Paris Jackson, but it doesn't make sense for them to say that they are
black either...so we can't term all coloureds as black or that all coloureds
identify with a certain culture"
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10. @marj0001
"Appreciate your constant learning pieces
Pen, really appreciate the time you take to to bring light to the coloured
community. Alot of South Africans sadly get triggered/angered when the coloured
community attempts to speak out, and you videos really do bring light and
insight into a very complex group of people, especially so in a very diverse
yet racially ignorant country. Side Note
- please don't do the stereotypical "coloured accent" its very
condescending. As is the stereotypical "African accent" . thank you
again."
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11. @feliciainglis4461
"Thank you for this pod cast. I am a
mixed race person. Mixed with Indonesian/Dutch, British/St Helenian, Dutch/Cape
Malay and British/Coloured. My culture is British/Dutch. Home language English.
Was classified as Cape Coloured during apartheid. 🤷"
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12. @tylerdurden3722
"Indian and West Coast African is
probably in their too.
One of first imported slaves and indentured servants the VOC imported to the Cape Colony (which the VOC created, not the Netherlands), came from their colony in Bengal (North East India).
In fact the first recorded marriage (recorded by Jan Van Riebeeck, a VOC employee, in his journal), was between a woman from Bengal, and a VOC employee (most likely a Dutch guy).
But the VOC didn't just hire Dutch employees. They hired anyone, as long as you could speak Dutch or learned as fast as possible. Even East Africans and Indian and East Asians were hired as Employees (but typically in lesser positions).
It's why the second governor of the Cape Colony was German. He was a VOC employee...nationality didn't matter...what mattered was that they spoke Dutch, so the organization could be a well oiled profit machine to keep shareholders happy.
Batavia was the Capital of the VOC...the headquarters of this terrifyingly powerful shipping company, with it own armies, navies, colonies, etc...whose power spanned accross the globe, being able to easily wage wars against superpowers and win.
In fact, the VOC was the most powerful private corporation to have existed in human history. Terrifyingly powerful.
Today, Batavia is called Jakarta (which is in Indonesia).
Slaves from all over the Indian Ocean coasts were taken to Batavia to be sold on the slave markets there. This is where a big portion of the slaves and indentured servants imported to the Cape Colony, came from.
Madagascar, Bengal and Far South India (called Macassar back then) were sort of regional headquarters for the company. Which is where a lot of the rest came from.
Out of fear for this corporate monster with shareholders and everything, the company was dismantled and their territories confiscated.
Then after Britain freed the Netherlands from Napoleon"s rule, the Dutch gave most of those territories to the British, in eachange for some territories in South Asia (the Dutch kept the South East Asian territories of the dismantled VOC).
This included the Cape Colony being
given to Britain.
At this exact time, the British, for some reason decided they're going to erase all slavery from the Earth and declared war against slavery.
So they intercepted large numbers of slave ships, and freed the slaves...mostly in the Atlantic...most heading toward Brazil from Portuguese colonies in Africa.
Some of these freed transatlantic slaves (not a small number), were sent to Cape Town...and melted into the "Coulored identity".
And even before this, since the beginning of the Cape Colony, lots of Portuguese slave ships wrecked off the Cape of Storms over the whole period, and people "rescued".
In fact, the very first slaves were from
such a wreck.
The VOC had a policy of not enslaving natives to work in their native lands. It was bad for business and a headache in the long run.
All the VOC cared about was profit.
Hence why Khoi weren't officially enslaved. Also because the VOC had a treaty with the Khoi to not enslave Khoi.
Though it did happen, by replacing
deceased slaves with a random Khoi guy and forcing the deceased slave's
identity on this poor guy."
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13. @peterprostt1053
"If the term Coloured is suddenly
considered offensive, then surely the term Black should be questioned
too — because that is also a colonial-era label. The problem isn’t the word
Coloured itself; it’s the way some people try to force mixed-heritage
individuals into categories that don’t reflect who they are.
You cannot call someone “Black” or “White” when they are of mixed race — that erases the reality of their origins and ignores the heritage of both parents. The term Coloured exists because mixed ancestry produces a wide range of identities, appearances, and backgrounds. It is a practical and accurate description of a community of colour - not a single colour, with its own history and culture.
That’s why it’s frustrating when people try to make “Coloured” an issue. It feels like the same mistake made in places like the U.S., where mixed-heritage people are pushed into the “Black” category whether they identify that way or not. It’s another form of erasure — forcing people into something they are not.
So if Black can be used without
question, then Coloured should also be respected for what it truly
represents: a distinct identity, not an insult.
You clearly have a problem with colour — not us,South Africans. You’re the one trying to force people into categories that don’t fit them. And by doing that, you’re causing more disruption and shame within the Coloured community, not helping them.
Coloured people know exactly who they
are. It’s others who keep trying to shove them into boxes they don’t belong in."
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This is how this comment was written in that discussion thread.
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14. @Pure_Boxing
"Coloureds have existed before the
construct or word coloured. So has the culture, without mixing or with mixing
other races independently for long enough to be identified separately.
Being from a black or white or
intermixed parents doesnt make you coloured culturally, perhaps you look
different but that's as far as it goes.
To be coloured, is a specific form of
life and identification, through actions and symbols which differ to other
races or cultures. Ie we eat differently, we date differently, we dress
differently, we think of things in different ways to other cultures"
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15. @tinyeyekon
"Hello! Thank you so much for this video
and the video before, thank you so so much. I'm Zimbabwean by mom (descent) and
Swiss through my dad. My dad is northern and southern European and south Indian
and black. My mom's black. I've always been told to identify as black in
Zim. Majorly because of my skin, they
say I'm not pale and very lightskin so I'm not coloured. I didn't have a
problem with it as a toddler because I didn't really know about my heritage and
mixture. I've gotten a DNA test and the mix is sooo beautiful. I've got
Bantu/Southern African, basically Sub Saharan, Indian, Irish and English,
Portuguese and Spanish and German. The Irish and English is seen in my surname
and growing up I'd just say my surname is white. My grandmother was physically
half Zulu and Indian. So there's alot in there indeed and I'm happy to share
the coloured identity with others and to many having identity crises because of
skin, hair and eye colour, there's alot within your blood and you should be
proud of your DNA🙃❤️"
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16. @Star-hg1kt
"Ethnicity, ethnicities have cultures.
Not a race"
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17. @AzaNaphtali
"AFRIKAANS 🇿🇦
Afrikaans is called Afrikaans because it was invented in South Africa when the Dutch came to South Africa with Malaysian and Indonesian men as workers on the ships. These men were great cooks, and skilled builders, and they are also responsible for building beautiful structures in South Africa. Malaysia and Indonesia where Dutch Colonies.
These men didn't have wives, so they got married to the indigenous khoisan women of South Africa. That's how the Coloured race in South Africa and Namibia began. That's why many of us have Surnames like Jattiem, Kamaldiem, Toyer, Noordien, etcetera. These are Malaysian and Indonesian surnames that came from our Malaysian and Indonesian forefathers.
Afrikaans is a mixture of Dutch, Malaysian, Indonesian, and Khoisan words like Gogga. Many khoisan words are actually used in prison language, also known as sabella.
A few words in Afrikaans that came from Malaysia and Indonesia:
Gordyn
Waslap
Kraan
Handdoek
Emmer
Kammer
Kwitansie
Koerant
Tang
Kwas
Piering
Das/dasi
Sertifiekaat
Tas
Kommunikasie
Soen
Apteek
Asbak
Mediekasie
Bioskop
Kool
Wortel
Piesang
Baklei
Baie
Jas
Baadjie
Baar
Bamboes
Tjap
Tramma kassie
Krabbetjie
Rampokker
Sadly many Coloured people don't know
their history, because they don't teach these things at school. It's your
responsibility to teach your children where they came from.
Don't let the corrupt government give you their version of His-story. They already taught you humans evolved from monkeys, so why would you believe anything they say when history has been rewritten multiple times to benefit those in power?"
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18. @vickykgoete3161
"29:07 Penuel why would biracial people
be excluded from being coloured in your view if you accept coloured as a race?
Because once you accept coloured as a race in this country (you actually don't
need to accept it, its reality) thats how biracials are included as coloureds.
Because yes coloured is synonymous with mixed race with biracial and
multiracial people All included. In this country we never made the distinction
between these two. We called them all coloured. Socially we know the
difference, culturally we know and acknowledge the difference but legally they're all called coloured,
people mixed with more than 1 race. If you're saying coloured is a culture
only. Which shared culture did Trevor and all those biracials you mentioned
experience? But you want to know 1 thing biracials have with multiracials ? Is
them being treated better than blacks and worser than whites, that's a
phenotype thing, thats a race thing not a cultural thing because these people
dont share a culture they share a RACE.
Those PA people are black by race and coloured by culture Penuel. There are also white passing people who identify with the coloured culture but their race is white"
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19.@vickykgoete3161
"26:24 You say black culture and coloured
culture. Black is not a culture, its a race Penuel. The Zulu traditional dance
is not vlack culture, its Zulu culture. The race unites all black people not a
culture. Like we said within that black race we have various cultures. Same
with the coloured race of mixed people. They have various coloured culture but
the race is uniting all the various mixes and cultural backgrounds. You
refusing to acknowledge coloured as a race is confusing you. There is coloured
the race referring to a group of people mixed with more than 1 race and then
there is coloured the culture which you love and understand so much. The fact
that coloured people's culture is named after their race is confusing you.
Coloureds have various cultures what unites them is the race Coloured which
defines people mixed with more than 1 race."
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20.@Eniola0ne
"The word coloured is European invention
of divide and rule. Coloured itself is creation of European. There nothing
called Coloured before Colonialism. And Coloured was created to bring crisis of
identity."
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21. @eldon.phukuile
"Why is there any pushback? I have no
issue with asking curiously. Plus, I learned a hell of a lot!
To me, being PROUDLY coloured is a race, an identity, a culture. I do not identify as black culturally or identity-wise, but I identify as politically black. It’s nuanced, it’s complex.
BRUIN-OUs, ons is die MAIN OUs!"
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22. @aphiwemsomi
"Coloured is not a race it is just blacks
who have a lighter complexion. In other countries colured and blacks are
grouped as one. Apartheid laws made coloureds see themselves as separate from
blacks so that they would not be oppressed as much. In the eyes of the rest of
the world both are considered black people.
Tyla is struggling in America right now
because she can't seem to grasp that coloured and black are one thing except in
South Africa. Once she realises that she will prosper as a global star."
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23. @acidicsoul4978
"Tyla already understands that. What
Americans want is "I am not coloured", something she won't say and
doesn't have to. Her career is fine 👍"
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24. @Binti-no8hm
"Not we. The colonizers decided to label
people according to colour. The one drop rule that some countries use to define
whose black is also dehumanizing and supremacist. To accept that definition is
a symptom of an ongoing enslaved mindset that sees the unique features of
caucasians only while disregarding the rest of the population as off cuts to be
lumped under one umbrella in spite of their very obvious differences in
appearance"
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25. @vickykgoete3161
"Stop subjecting our country to the laws
of other nations. In South Africa we
gave mixed people their own racial category called coloured. So let's stop
undermining our laws n history for foreign views. Coloured is race in this
country and it still is. A culture formed from this racial classification and
so today coloured is both a race and a culture."
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26.@Nocrismisi
"Instead of you speaking on behalf of
coloured people, why don’t you invite coloured scholars to your podcast and let
them speak from the inside-out as opposed to you speaking from the outside-in.
Make sure you invite appropriate guests like Patric Mellet, NOT your friend dj
Warras who doesn’t even identify as coloured neither does he know something
about anything."
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27.@elroyswarts0044
"Being Coloured is both a
culture(ethnicity) and a race. Coloureds are essentially mixed race people. In
fact, Coloureds are literally the most mixed group of people on the planet.
Insisting that it is only a culture and not also a race takes away from the
fact that it is mixed race people and gives the impression that it is possible
to be mono racial but still be Coloured, or that it can be evenly split between
mono racial and mixed race people, when that isn't the case. So being Coloured
is both a culture and it has a racial component to it."
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28.@ziphovichlubi3081
"Based on the definitions and what is morally fair I agree
coloured is a culture. It is interesting. A person has to be open minded to
grow with this topic because it is vast and deep. So well-done my brother for
threading where others choose to overlook or ignore the obvious truth starring
them in face...."
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29. @Binti-no8hm
"What also needs to stop is the application of the American
one drop rule as the dafault for what constitutes black as it falsely implies
that white is pure. Many ethnically african people say colourds don't realize
they are black when said colourd may have an equal mix of african, european
and/or other ancestry. Imagine being on a clif with your 4 grandparents all
hanging on the edge and you can only save one. Asking a coloured to choose one
identity is impossible. The sum of all parts makes the whole.
Lets keep it real, nobody is black or white. Lets get away
from placing so much stock in melanin levels. Skin/eye colour, hair texture,
etc. is not what creates a cohesive society but rather common values and
compassion."
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30. @GodfreyFortuin-ib3ml
"Penuel Thankyou for being sensitive to this contentious
subject.I am firstly South African the apartheid classified me as coloured.I am
of mixed ancestry.I have researched my genealogy through DNA slave , death,
marriage records and certificates.I was very Anti white and emphasized my black
and slave ancestry, I however discovered that my paternal side was descended
from a German free burgher who settled in Stellenbosch and his son married my
malay slave grandmother..Let us not perpetuate this matter of race,let us realise
our joint humanity and South africaness.On my maternal side I have family in
Botswana and they are motswana and Botswana on their passports no reference to
their coloured race group"
31.
"!00%! This 'race' classification has always been a deeply
divisive tactic used by many an authoritarian entity. Your breakdown of the
South African 'coloured' label is the perfect starting point to dissect this
tactic. Culture is a whole other, and more important, subject. I, myself, am
'white' , however, I identify in no way to, say, a Frenchman, a German, an
American - I am born English in culture!
- I am also a South African in nationality, that in itself brings a
different cultural element to my 'Englishness'. 'Cultures' can either be, in
part, celebrated and/or criticised, each is unique and can be incompatible with
each other in some way or another, this is an area open to discussion and
mediation."
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32. @Binti-no8hm
"Trying to place people in boxes is a fruitless endeavour
Pen. You see cats with all kinds of shades, stripes and spots happily living
their cat lives. Don't overthink it. If you want to make a productive change in
society, focus the dialog on solving the socio economic issues for everyone
whose impoverished."
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33. @FounderFreedom
"I believe solving identify in the coloured community will
serve this purpose and instill a sense of pride that will have many beneficial
knock on effects. It’s this loss of identify and living with such a shameful
term that is part of many coloured people’s broken self-image.
The term Coloured was forced upon us. We should redefine
ourselves, who we want to be as a people. If Xhosa and other black cultures
have so many sub cultures then that should hold true for coloured people too."
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34. @elroyswarts0044
"Thank you for the respectful way you are talking about our
people Penuel. That is important especially considering the fact that many
South Africans and some non South Africans cannot stand Coloureds and are very
dismissive of our existence as if we are not a legitimate and valid ethnic
group with our own independent identity, history, and culture. Much love and
respect to you bro.🙏"
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35. @chedacheezy8732
"Hi Pen, I like your content as you are educational and
comical, chefs kiss👌
I agree with you and I do not think coloured is a race. I am
coloured but I would most likely fall under mixed race than coloured because
people always mistake me for being Indian, which I dont blame them. When I told
my Xhosa friends I see myself as black and do not believe coloured to be a
race, they laughed and told me no I am Caucasian Lol.
I am coloured from Gqebera the old PE, born and bred, but my
parents are from Cape Town. My dads side is St Helena/Germany mix and my moms
side is Irish/St Helena/India mix. So I have no known black gene but I still
see myself as black and African because SA is my home, and I dont give a f###
who disagrees.
On a side note Pen, if you did not already can you make a
video about the true name of South Africa? Or are we just a direction? I always
felt a bit disappointed that we have a direction as a name for our Country.
Imagine naming your child North-West, who does such things."
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36. @vickykgoete3161
"It's Both."
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37. @Pinkfriday-nx3hv
"Me personally Coloured is both a race and culture, if we are
talking about being Coloured in terms of racially it means u have African+
European or Asian or BOTH. meaning if ur Biracial, Multiracial,
Multi-generational mixed, 75% African and 25% European, or 75% European 25%, u
are coloured by because of ur admixtures with foreign continent(Europe,America
and Asian) if ur coloured by in terms ethnicity/heritage/culture we mean Natal
Coloured, Bushmen, Cape Malay, Griqua etc. Trevor Noah is Colored in terms of
race, in terms of ethnicity he is Swiss and Xhosa, Sho Majozi is Coloured by
race and Sweden and Tsonga by ethnicity.
Tyla is Coloured by Race and by ethnicity she is Natal Coloured."
38.
"You’re absolutely right that “Coloured” is not a race, and
you’re touching on something important about identity. I want to add a bit of
clarity, because Social Identity Theory helps here:
- Race is a broad
political category shaped by power and history.
- Ethnicity is about
shared ancestry, lineage, language, and deep historical roots.
- Culture is the
lived expression of any identity — the practices, language, humour, food,
values and ways of being.
Sometimes in conversations, race, ethnicity, and culture are
used interchangeably, which can unintentionally blur the picture. When Coloured
is treated only as culture or lifestyle, we flatten deep historical and
genealogical realities into surface performance. When Coloured is treated as
race, we fall back into the same logic that created the Population Registration
Act. Both positions worry me. That said, I genuinely appreciate the courage it
took to open this conversation. Thank you for starting this. Let’s keep
building on it, drawing on expert and ordinary people's voices to create
greater historical and conceptual clarity."
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39. @hildadavids217
"Hi Penuel, I am just like you very mixed, my mum is
actual from the Bakgatla people, and her father was a Mopedi group. My paternal
grandfather is Scottish and martenal grandmother is Mopedi. My Mom and Dad were
the best parents I could have ever had. My father was not accepted by black
people and they used the derogatory word against him, but was the most
handsome, beautiful soul, I had ever met. He was so focused on his family, he
never drank alcohol or smoked in his life. We once up a time lived in Soweto,
but were never accepted. I think that my father endured the worst
discrimination from black people. When people say that black people can't be
racist, I just laugh. Fortunately my maternal grandmother told my parents to
move us to a place where people who look like us lived, became my mother had a
very short fuse when it came to her children, being amaboesman. Eventually we
moved to Kliptown, we speak all languages, when they try and talk about us, we
understand everything, so do both my parents. The coloured people accepted us
warm hands, my mother became a prominent figure within this community. They
loved her so much, because she loved everyone. I think that her blood pressure
came down, became she didn't have to fight anyone calling her children the
derogatory names. I am very happy to be called whatever, because coloured
people are the most accepting people you can find. I don't care whether someone
says we don't have a culture. We have our own way of life, that is our culture.
When we have functions at home, that is where you will find represented is the
true demographic of South Africa. You will find white people, black people,
Indian people, and coloured people. That is what makes me a true South African.
We most all African languages even if the others are not perfect, but I will
hear what you are saying about me."
40.
"Great topic. Just 1 issue to throw into the pot: as I
understand it, the term bi-racial refers to first generation children of a
mixed couple. In fact, biracial people I know resent being called coloured but
their children typically don’t have a problem with it. Personally, I don’t
care. As a student I hated the term coloured; these days I accept it, pretty
much as the ANC govt still de facto
maintains that classification."
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41. @siyabongasibanyoni6595
"My personal view this that Coloureds are a nation. Like the
Zulu nation, we have a colored nation. They practice their coloured culture. It
is not a race. You do not have to be biracial to be a coloured however you have
to be from a specify geographic location or speak Afrikaans and practise the
coloured culture. These are my personal views and no disrespect."
42.
"As a person who lives in KZN I understand what you are
saying."
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KwaZulu-Natal
"KwaZulu-Natal (... also referred to as
KZN)[6] is a province of South Africa that was created in 1994 when the
government merged the Zulu bantustan of KwaZulu ("Place of the Zulu"
in Zulu) and Natal Province.
It is located in the southeast of the country, with a long shoreline on the Indian Ocean. It shares borders with three other provinces and the countries of Mozambique, Eswatini and Lesotho. Its capital is Pietermaritzburg, and its largest city is Durban, which is also the city with the largest port in sub-saharan Africa. It is the second-most populous province in South Africa, after Gauteng."...
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43.
"So then that should be true for any other culture, yes? If a
non Zulu is born and raised in a village in KZN, that person is Zulu? I don't
know that the wider population would agree thou, but like you, that makes
perfect sense to me."
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44. @mpilompanza9101
"@9bj2jwh You do know that there are tons of non Zulu
people in the KZN right? He said nothing about KZN only having Zulus what he's
saying is Coloured is a culture in his understanding. Is he wrong?"
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45. @9bj2jwh
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46. @COLOUREDCHILDCONQUERS
"In some communities some "coloured" people who
practice Christianity think people who practice Islam are Muslims and not
"coloured" which is weird when they are comparing a "social
construct" (race) with religious preference when in fact they are just
"coloured" people who practice Islam and not Christianity."
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47. @robinfisher2103
"Being a coloured is without a doubt a culture. The label
COLOURED is a colonial construct. We are black or mixed race. I am from
Zimbabwe my grandparents are from Cape Town, Kimberley and St Helena. Our
habits and food and baking methods are
Cape malay/coloured completely. My grandparents and my mother spoke
Afrikaans fluently. I feel so at home when I visit Cape Town yet I'm born in
Zimbabwe, WHY ??? Cape Town is my ancestral home. Loved your first video on
this topic, Gods blessings stay safe my Bru."
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48. @imhated1294
"The label AFRICAN is also a colonial construct."
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49. @SttsSttts
"I think it's both. Mixed people adopted and created their
own mix version of a culture. You can't be colored and be white or african or
Asian, you must have mixed ancestry. The same way you can't be Zulu or african
without full african ancestry or afrikaner without being Dutch ancestry,
simple."
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50. @masambeni
"Thanks for discussing these topics. Just because you're not Coloured doesn't mean
you cannot discuss this topic. I like
your insights."
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51. @robinfisher2103
"I am a coloured yes, but I believe we should label ourselves
not the oppressive colonialist. @masambeni"
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52. @robinfisher2103
"Yes I do, freedom of speech is in the constitution
@masambeni"
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53. @nostalgiakitty2057
"Coloured when I was growing up meant mixed race, these days
it seems to mean people with partially African Ancestry who are Non-Bantu
culturally. These days most race people indenifty with the cultures of both
their parents, be they white and Indian, Zulu and Indian, Xhosa and Coloured,
etc"
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54. @AnthonyAbrahams-xm5gc
"Question is are all other Races really cultural"
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55. @RushayBooysen
"Black is also a colonial construct"
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57. @vanbronwyn
"According to South African government and race
classification they are indeed a race.
Race is a social construct though, I do not look at race, it makes no
sense to me as the character of a person makes them who they are not their skin
colour. Being coloured is a culture, I
love my coloured brothers and sisters, they are such a vibe."
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58. @justaboredhousewife7804
"Coloured is definitely a culture. Racially, i dont know
what my genetic make-up is. Constitutionally,
im black, and i have no problem being black, as long as i can be a black
coloured or coloured-black.
For those who want to do away with the term coloured, that's your perogative. You dont have to identify as Coloured.
When the apartheid government decided to take the
Afrikaner title away from us and declassify us as coloured, we didn't cry about
it. We took that term and made ot our own.Coloured is a culture."
59.
"I posted this comment on the previous video. I would like to
share the view that Coloured cannot be a culture. Cultures have a few things to
destinguish them. Food, clothing/ dress, music and even religions and a mother
tongue. So the Coloureds as race created by the apartheid government is just
term to distinguish them and for segregational purposes."
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60. @AzaNaphtali
"COLOURED PEOPLE
People have so much to say about Coloured history when they are not even Coloureds. They wanna tell us who we are and where we came from..well I'm here to right the wrongs!!!
The Coloured history began in the 1600's when the Dutch came to South Africa. These Dutch men brought Malaysian and Indonesian men with them as workers on the ships. Malaysia and Indonesia were Dutch colonies back then.
When these men arrived in South Africa they met the indigenous people of South Africa which is the Khoisan. They then built a relationship with the khoisan, and they began to marry Khoisan women and that's how the Coloured race began.
That was also the beginning of the Afrikaans language. Afrikaans is a mixture of Dutch, Malaysian, Indonesian, and Khoisan words.
Namibia used to be part of South, that's why there are still Coloureds living in Namibia till this day. These Coloureds also speak Afrikaans.
Coloureds didn't come from Bantu people. If Coloureds came from Bantu people we would've spoken the Bantu language of our Bantu mothers.
Bantu people came to South Africa in the 1800's with the British invasion. Zimbabwe and Botswana were British colonies, that's why Bantu people knew how to speak English instead of Afrikaans. The British used these Bantus like the Zulus to make war against the Dutch to take control of South Africa. They took part of South Africa that was later labeled as Kwazulu-natal. The British also brought the Indians to South Africa. And till this day the Indians are still here.
Bantu people aren't indigenous to South Africa.
Our history has been erased and changed to benefit those in power; that's why we as a Coloured race are oppressed and treated like foreigners in our own ancestral land just because we look different than the typical African phenotype.
And just to further elaborate; Trevor Noah is not a
coloured!!!! He is biracial. He doesn't come from the Coloured history and
ancestral line. Trevor Noah is a Bantu mixed with a white father."
-snip-
Trevor Noah is often mentioned in contemporary discussions about the referent "Coloured" in South Africa. Here's some information about Trevor Noah from his Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Noah
"Trevor Noah (born 20 February 1984) is a South African
comedian, writer, producer, political commentator, actor, and television host.
He was the host of The Daily Show, an American late-night talk show and
satirical news program on Comedy Central, from 2015 to 2022. Noah has won
various awards, including two Primetime Emmy Awards.[1]
[...]
Early life
Trevor Noah was born on 20 February 1984, in Johannesburg,
Transvaal (now Gauteng), South Africa.[18][19] His father, Robert, is
Swiss-German, and his mother, Patricia Nombuyiselo Noah, is Xhosa.[20][21]
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61. @michaelvdnest
"My great grandfather is Dutch, my great grandmother is Zulu.
My other grandfather is Indian and my other grandmother is Cape Malay.
I was born in Kliptown and grew up in Ennerdale.
By your definition I'm not coloured. Am I biracial?"
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62. @seans6034
"Is black a race or a culture when the DNA varies
considerably?"
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63. @marvelousnxele3724
"Black is an ethnicity to us, we are ngoni ( abantu) which is
our race....I'm also biracial but I identify as umzulu"
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64. @gizahhub8732
"A race is a SOCIALLY CONSTRUCTED category that groups people
based on perceived physical traits—mainly things like skin colour, facial
features, or hair texture. Scientifically we are 99.9% genetically the same. So
my question to you, Pen is; Why is there a need to classify us? Genetically we
are either Male(XY) or Female (XX). I'm Female (XX-chromosome) and African
(born on the African continent)."
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65. @TheUncleRobb
"I agree 💯,, nurture has greater
effect than nature. Culture is how you were nurtured."
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66. @kainscion9085
"What an interesting take! At first, I didn't know if I would
agree with you, but my experience being Coloured lines up with this.
Both of my parents are Afrikaans, my dad grew up on a farm
in Namaqualand and my mom is Cape Coloured, but I didn't grow up in either
culture.
All my life, I grew up outside of the Coloured culture, with
my one grandmother only introducing me to some of the Cape Malay culture, but
nothing that sticks. Because of this, other Colourds have called me
"White" since school, and that hurt my understanding of my identity
for a long time.
I know for a fact that there are many Coloureds like me, and
while I don't have any resentment towards the culture, it honestly is - as
you've laid out - a culture."
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67. @AMF5753
"Namakwalander hier. Both my parents are born and bred from
Namaqualand, and so are their parents and the ones before them. People in Cape
Town frowned because we did not identify with the Klopse and the culture here.
It is important to understand that we also have variations in how we were
'cultured'. Our different 'mixes' infused different culturedness. And that it
is ok to not be 'the same', even though we are mixed."
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68. @forgoogletotrack7181
"Correct. Coloured is a culture, it is the community you are
raised in. Coloured culture has similarities nationally, but there are regional
differences as well. Cape Coloured culture is different from Durban Coloured
culture. Our accents are different regionally yet when one Coloured person from
one province sees one from another province, we "see" each other, no
matter what we look like."
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69. @kainscion9085
"@forgoogletotrack7181 100%, that's the one thing I also do,
"seeing" another Coloured in public, but yes, I have no tie to
Coloured culture, unfortunately. I just check the box when filling in forms 😂"
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70. @LM-rg9lj
"Im mixed race not coloured...coloured is
a culture..based on socialization"
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