YouTube Video "Pitori's Amapiano vs Durban Gqom Dance" (with selected comments from this video's discussion thread)

Edited by Azizi Powell

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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2020/05/information-about-south-africas-gqom.html for this closely related pancocojams post entitled "Information About South Africa's Gqom Music & Amapiano Music."

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
In addition to watching these dances, I'm interested in documenting selected comments from the discussion thread of certain YouTube videos for historical and cultural reasons.

I'm also interested in observing the use of colloquialisms, slang, and idioms that are found in these comments. For instance, the use of South African interjections such as "Eish" and "Iyah!" and the use of South African abbreviations such as "PTA" for Pretoria (Pitori) and "Jozi", "Joburg" for Johannesburg are other examples from that broad category of colloquialisms and idioms that I'm interested in noting.

I'm also interested in noting Africans and other non-Americans' use of African American Vernacular English terms such as "fam", "killed it", "fire", "lit", and "in the house" as well as the use of the Jamaican term "big up" by Africans and other non-Jamaicans.

In addition, I'm interested in documenting who is commenting in a particular discussion thread. For example, I read the entire discussion thread as of the publishing date for this pancocojams post and of the comments that identified commenters by their country, the only comments that were posted by people outside of South Africa were from the United States, Namibia, one person from Ghana, and one person from one comment from China.

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SHOWCASE VIDEO- Pitori's Amapiano vs Durban Gqom Dance




Alles Mzansi, Mar 21, 2018

1st Song: Dadaman - Skorokoro
2nd Song: Dj Cubic - Gqom Emotions
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Statistics as of May 20, 2020 at 1:38 PM EDT
Total # of views- 1,312,340
Total # of likes-6.1K
Total # of dislikes-538
Total # of comments-619

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Selected comments from this video's discussion thread, with numbers added for references purposes only

2018
1. ostip
"Hahah ah this vid was made by someone from Durban"

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2. Khani Hlahla
"Pretoria makes a simple thing fun,meanwhile Durban dances you sweat n its fast moves.... I'll give it to pitori...mind you I'm from Soweto"

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3. Simphiwe Sibusiso
"not every dance in Durban makes pple sweat, it differ with music personal style, people can do one same dance in different pace."

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4. Thapelo Mokoto
"The best one is whoever YOU think is the best."

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5. Kaleah Collins
"GO BABY GURL GET EM"

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6. Brandon Mphela
"I’m from Pta but I route with Durban on this one"

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7. Chwepheshe
"ill give the music to Capcity and Dance moves to Dubane"

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8. Nale Montoedi
"um from Northern Cape but i'll go with petori mahlanyeng big up Pretoria"

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9. David Mehnert
"Forget about the regional rivalry and answer me this: why haven’t these moves taken over the world yet? Am I just an American “early adopter”, emulating this style and trying to do it on my own? Or am I seeing the beginning of (yet another) great South African cultural export?

Om tellin yah these kidzis omna summin"

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10. Lethu
"Im from Jozi but Durban takes the crown in terms of music and dance. Pitori u too guys are dope but never compare ur selfs to Durban house n dance"

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11. Kagiso
"Stop dreaming. Sepantsula is Pretorian. It all started this side"

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12. SA HipHop Lyrics
"Wait a min....pitori rocks fam✌️✌️✌️"

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13. MOS TEE, 2018
"I think we can all agree that Cqom is loud and aggressive just like the Zulus who invented it. We tshwanas just like our music are chilled and very gentle

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14. Nosipho Ndlovu
"It’s a well known SOUTH AFRICAN fact that DURBAN PEOPLE ARE BORN WITH DANCE 💃🏽even ibimbi can dance 🤣🤣🤣"

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15. Kate Mncwabe
"AWEEEEEE! @Dbn 💃💚"

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16. nkululeko shandu
"Leave the Dance to Durban and Music to PTA. that's all i can say."

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17. KP QHIBI
"I'm from Mpumalanga and I tell you now, PTA will kill you when it comes to music. amapaino one way."

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18. Willy Songs
"When it comes to music I like Pretoria baba , Durban music is too loud and Durban dance is like they training karati , so Pretoria is the best"

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19. Bonga Radebe
"First time hearing the PTAs sound honestly sounds similar to kwaito so I understand why you would dance slow. Gqom will always win baf2 don’t build excuses on you have to sweat when you dance like come on who cares when you at a party and you drunk cause sweating is the last thing you think about plus they are slower dance moves you can use kwiQgom that’s if you know how to dance 😂😂 but Durban baf2 is the king of Anything in a sub category of House ex deep house, deep base house to qgom, Jozi holds it down in Hip hop while Capetown holds it down in Events"

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20. develop sentiment
"lol people can't dance like Durban peeps do... That's the thing, Pitori you can do the moves even if you're not a good dancer, but with Durban, if you can't you can't."

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21. Thembelani Ndaba
"Lol why are "Pitori" dancers doing the vosho? Its a Durban move mos...Also why is this even a contest? Durban, any day bakwethu"

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22. agiso
"The aim is not to sweat 😍"

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23. Tsepo Ndlovu
"as Pretoria we not properly represented"

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24. Lungelo Seboya
"About 60% of those u claimed r from durban, are not really, durbanites r not wild dancers theyr ppl of rythm,they move wit the beat"

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25. Mpumelelo M
"I guess Cape Town is more similar to Pitori cause we're very chilled here."

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25. Bradwell Timba
"that little girl yooh"

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26. Dj Laza _SA
"Lol, Durban likes lots of noise and confusion, us in petori, we're chilled, it makes sense now"

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27. Kagiso Matlala
"Pitori just took Durban straight to the cleaners"

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28. Lwazi Nzimande
"When it comes to dance, none can touch Durban. That's a given. But when it comes to house, deep house? AH man, Pitori takes it."

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29. lady liwinski chantele
"that little girl dancing to Pusha Skorokoro made my day💃💃"

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30. Jeremia Mueze
"Durban is full of copy cats der is no creativity der. Pitori is top class wen cuming to dancing. People 4rm durban dey stil dance moves wen ever dey ar here nd mix da dance,name them in their lingo. Even da gwaragwara dance dey stole it 4rm Ghanaian dancers. Durban dancers dey research for dance moves lol is like doing a copy nd paste."

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31. digger g rocky
"And don't forget the Soweto pantsula moves also"

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32. Africa Mpanza
"but petoli stole the gwara gwara bruv"

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33. Fah Ngwane
"ummm.. there is something called dance school. Universities have it as well. You learn how to dance from observing other people dance. From there some dance-moves- variations come to you naturally hence making how you dance as an individual unique.

How Jeremia Mueze used the term creativity is an insult to human intelligence.
One can use an existing idea to create something new, and that is creativity."

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34. Sbu Mo'
"Durban takes the cake!!"

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35. Dede Padi
"sorry, but as a pretorian, and a guy that grew up ko Sosha, i must say PTA wasn’t well represented in this video. that’s crap, by PTA standards. they even do the gwara-gwara (durban dance) in a PTA vs Durban vid. really misrepresented. get bafana ba ko kasi straight, not this choreography and up-and-down jumping nonsense; we don’t dance that nonsense in PTA. check the ‘Survivor pila’ videos if wanna get just an idea of PTA, and look at DJ Buckz as well. that’s PTA. no city in this country can challenge PTA.

la re embarrassa man"

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36. Forgive Mathebula
"Durban dance moves are nice and jolly , Durban gqom music makes one sweat and their moves are fast so ..."

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37. Kaleah Collins
"But lets not forget they takin from AMERICAN( Black ) Dances too."

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38. ntlakanipho ngwane
"Kaleah Collins Americans take it from here not the other way

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39. Princess Dafiyah
"Kaleah Collins no it goes both ways...nobody is better than the other

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40. Kaleah Collins
"Camilla Brown exactly never said we was better but. I noticed them fusing some American dances with the traditional ones."

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41. ntlakanipho ngwane
"Kaleah Collins you have just exposed the typical dumb American mindset y'all are known for."

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42. Kaleah Collins
"ntlakanipho ngwane of course you would say that to negate that we both influence eachother though removed completely for centuries"

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43. Eezzy John
"ntlakanipho ngwane .....Kaleah never disrespected you nor insulted you.....American blacks are not that exposed to African culture....Africans are far more influenced by American blacks then we are of them.....the way young Africans dress and in even in some of their speech they pick up on American culture...if you so no, then either you're blind or a liar....alot of African dances are now mixed with some of American culture dances."

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44. Kaleah Collins
"Eezzy John thnk you my brother. I love my diaspora"

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45. ERNEST MOFOKENG
"im glad you only said pitori le Durban.... cos Tembisa and Limpopo are the best dancers... handz down"

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46. MONICCA MAMASHELA
"Pretori wins chilled vibes not durban dancing as if ur at war."

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47. Derrick Siyanda
"To the girls dancing vosho to amapiano, don't 4get where that dance came from #ethekwini dlala Durban"

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48. Thato Selokela
"Durban music is too fast and too much for the ear in PTA their music is good chilled music"

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49. Kgaogelo Sibeko
"Durban music is for dancing competitions, takes a lot of energy. Pretoria music is just for good times so everyone can dance to it, that's why it takes the cup for me. In Pitori we say the aim is not to sweat."

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50. digger g rocky
"this Qhom thing is just an irritating off beat and i don't know if i should call it music"

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51. Dede Padi
"sorry, but as a pretorian, and a guy that grew up ko Sosha, i must say PTA wasn’t well represented in this video. that’s crap, by PTA standards. they even do the gwara-gwara (durban dance) in a PTA vs Durban vid. really misrepresented. get bafana ba ko kasi straight, not this choreography and up-and-down jumping nonsense; we don’t dance that nonsense in PTA. check the ‘Survivor pila’ videos if wanna get just an idea of PTA, and look at DJ Buckz as well. that’s PTA. no city in this country can challenge PTA."

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52. Bonga Radebe
"First time hearing the PTAs sound honestly sounds similar to kwaito so I understand why you would dance slow. Gqom will always win baf2 don’t build excuses on you have to sweat when you dance like come on who cares when you at a party and you drunk cause sweating is the last thing you think about plus they are slower dance moves you can use kwiQgom that’s if you know how to dance 😂😂 but Durban baf2 is the king of Anything in a sub category of House ex deep house, deep base house to qgom, Jozi holds it down in Hip hop while Capetown holds"

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53. Boniface Mwangi
"who hates or dislike this needs to wash off dem heart"

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54. gerrald
"Gqom is the future. Great time to be alive"

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55. KP QHIBI, 2020
"And then Kabza happened."

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56. lil kasa, 2020
" Then DJ Maphorisa started making amapiano with Kabza
#Scorpion Kings"

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2019
57. Noni Nonny
"Mhhh I'm in love with pitori peeps😍😍this amapiano thing really work for yr prvnc"

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58. Andrew
"Different songs different tempo so you can't compare the two fairly..each dance moves match the respective song .."

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59. Lungelo Ntully
"Durban yes yes yes we're burning flames🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥"

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60. Reginald Swartz
"I am a Namibian but I would like to say that pitori rules and gqom just sounds random and the same."

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61. Sibonelo Mmelokuhle
"Pitoli is coming but it will take some time to reach dbn, you cant catch igqomu now its already international. Shoutout to pitoli boyz are really making good music and they vibe is chilled n lit"

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62. Kgotlello Makhura
"Hey guys Pretoria takes this one. Bana le swenka as for me Durban reminds me of soweto kwasa kwasa days. The metavo days."

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63. sergio mapossa
"SOUTH ÁFRICA WIN"

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64. Precious N
"@ 6:20 Isipansula...Classic South African Dance mives♥♥♥"

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65. Danielle Leverock
"When beat is that good you HAVE to put your plate down !"

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66. RO Tail
"dancing all the way to land reparations ayi."

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67. dwinosam
"Theres no vs in styles, just moods qnd expressions"

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68. Palesa Bhengu
"Its funny how you guys say PTA killed it but using dances and songs that originated from Durban artists😴 Just saying...."

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69. Flakka Goat
"amapiano originated from durban?? since when????????lol not to mention the old durban sgubhu from which gqom came from was inspired by sgubhu sa pitori back in the early 2000's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de3L8W5B32g

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70. Spantoes Wa lekhosi
"This is cheatin guys how come they play few of pitori dance with a selection of a slow track n more of Durban dance? N beside i know we pitorian we good tooooo much

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71. Setjhaba Lawrance
"Guys amapiano does it all, imagine listening to Gqom on a chill Sunday picnic, aah people let's be honest Amapiano is the best. Coming to dancing skills Amapiano accommodate all in terms of not good and good at dancing but with Amapiano u can dance. People who mostly dance to gqom music are people who a good in dancing it doesn't accommodate robots like us."

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72. Philemon Dibobo
"From North West - Residing in Durban. The music in Durban is hyper and good for going all sorts of crazy, which doesn't match its chilled weather, The pitori music is chilled, which doesn't match its weather either. The two should swap music, gqom and umgunyo(ecstacy-excuse my spelling) must go to pitori mahlaneng and amapiano must come to durban - from there you can read in-between the lines which one I prefer."

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73. sk lizer
"Ohk now pitori are people who LOVE to dance and have fun and durban are people who KNOW how to dance and will show you flames"

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74. Hlanzeka Qwabe
"Lol in drbn they dance to impress others byanong Rona we dance to impress ourselves - hearing yourself say "tjuu"🙆 while dancing is the best or byang mahlanya?!!! #pushdaideng"

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75. Thabsile chamane
"So all Joburg people voted for Pitoli🤔🤔 we all know the truth though Durban rocks"

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76. Darryl Van Rensburg
"Can never Compare Gqom to amapiano. Its like comparing Champagne with Vodka😂 it depends on occasion"

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77. Bongeka Nyamazana
"where are my people from Durban at?"

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78. Iamtrust
"All said and done, and after reviewing, I think I like both styles. So they both in their respective categories win."

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79. Iamtrust
"On second note, I understand both arguments.. Gqom is noisy, and fast, it needs boundless creativity, That what Durban has... That's why it's call South Africas playground. Pretoria though I must admit I love some of the music, the dance part of it bores me"

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Sthembiso Mthembu
"I guess its still early days for us. But soon the world is getting to know about us."

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77. Oo Jay
"From Ghana 🇬🇭 but loveeee Tsa Pitori"

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78. Rudy Gertse
"Not meant to swear but love there vibe qgom creative ma patori takes the cake"

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79. tangeni neshila
"Durban music is almost like angolan music kuduru. I give it to pretoria. And i am from windhoek lol"

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80. Mizz Lee from SA
"Pitori stand up!!!!"

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81. Virginia Motsomane
"Lol amapiano is taking over, gqom is dying now."

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82. red bull media
"Lool if they can here this in durban they will lough straight up .durban when it comes to bhenga kill it fam z like comparing benz en a honda lool ppl aybo loool"

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83. Oageng Msiza
"Pitori -- It's all about 'the aim is not to sweat' --Their moves are effortless ---Even the music

Durban ---Energy Energy Energy"

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84. Chef kubza mueze
"Lol guys don't forget al dance moves start from capital city of south africa.da dance called gwaragwara derives from bula masepao, durbanist are not creative. Dey stil moves nd mix dam. They are lot of student's who ar from kzn nd durban who schools here in Pta. They take videos of people dancing nd distribute them to their friends. They change everything by adding something.Artist always stills dance moves of Pretorians we ar used to dat,even arthur changed a dance song called Tobetsa to qopetsa. Pretoria is a king of dance music nd a capital city of house music. Creativity nd Originality is from Pretoria tlohelang ho te kapesa mapanta ka ho utswa."

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85. Russel Mtlokwa
"Durban dance is not child's play baba all in all Durban music is good when you want to move a crowd, Pitori amapiano when you chilling at home , you cant just listen to Gqom chilling at home and you cant listen to amapiano in the club"

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86. Khai Blacco
"As far as dancing is concerned, PTA got nothing on DBN... Music? It depends if you like amaPiano or Gqom."

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87. Sweet Science
"This comparison isn't fair! They didn't compile from the best dances in Pitoli as they did with those in Dbn. It gives of the impression that Gqom is better than Amapiano from the visual. However comparing the two music genres without any visual effects - Gqom ngomtshana to Amapiano."

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88. Willy Songs
"That Durban music called qoum I honestly don't feel it I just hear a loud sound that makes no sense at all"

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89. Chris O'Reilly
"Imagine a Piano instrumental over a Gqom beat??? The person who is able to strike the balance there... Pure gold."

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90. Oddblood01
"South Africans have the best footwork in Africa."

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91. INNOCENTIA MPHO SHIKWAMBANA
"hai baba Durban will humble you....#Gqom babe❤❤"

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92. ATM TM
"I'll say this for people in the Western world Durban seems more appealing bc its close to afro american dance moves whereas Pit seems more african to me it remind me e.g. more of congolese dance moves etc.
But both are dope keep doin yo ding my brothers and sister one love"

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2020
93. Moipone Maredi
"We dance like PTA till old age buy Durban dance is only for teens"

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