Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post showcase a YouTube video of Jamaican singer Koffee performing a cover of Nigerian singer Burna Boy's hit 2018 song "Ye".
Selected comments about Nigerian Pidgin English and Jamaican Patois that are from that video's discussion thread are also included in this post.
The content of this post is presented for cultural, linguistic, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Koffee and Burna Boy for their musical legacies. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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SHOWCASE VIDEO:
Koffee - Ye (Burna Boy cover) in the 1xtra Live Lounge
BBC Radio 1Xtra, Apr 3, 2019
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koffee_(singer)
Mikayla Simpson (born 16 February 2000), better known as Koffee, is a Jamaican reggae singer, songwriter, rapper, deejay and guitarist from Spanish Town, Jamaica. She released her debut single, "Toast", in 2018, and in 2019 signed with Columbia Records. Her 2019 release Rapture received a Grammy nomination."...
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Notice that Koffee's cover of "Ye" doesn't include the "n word" lyrics that are in the beginning of Burna Boy's song.
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SELECTED COMMENTS ABOUT NIGERIAN PIDGIN ENGLISH AND JAMAICAN PATOIS
(with numbers added for referencing purposes only)
1. walatabig, 2018
"For a non Nigerian, this is very good. Some Nigerians can't even speak pidgin English this well..."
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2. Yohanan Ironside, 2018
"You sir have just told a lie."
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3. Tori’s Secret, 2018
"Yohanan Ironside Im Nigerian and I defo can’t speak pidgin"
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4. Yohanan Ironside, 2018
"@Tori’s Secret You're part of an extremely minor minority, you either live outside the country, On the Island or somewhere in Abuja lmao"
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5. Ria Dandrade, 2018
"@Est pidgin is not influenced by patois though. Every English speaking colony has it's derivative of the language. There are similarities between pidgin and patois in the Caribbean because our ancestors were stolen from Africa and brought their languages with them. I thought that would have been obvious but I guess it's not."
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6. Nabil Abdulrashid, 2018
"Patois and pidgin English have the same roots.. remember that the Jamaicans are our distant cousins even though ignorant people on both sides don’t accept this"
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6. Nelle Nelle, 2018
"@Nabil Abdulrashid Similar roots, completely DIFFERENT APPLICATION.
In Pidgin unnu would say things like "Wahala she no deh gimme"
Jamaicans do not arrange our sentences like that. We don't put Object, Subject, Verb.
We do Subject, Verb, Object.
"She nah gimmie Wahala".
We don't even use the word Wahala, that is strictly Nigerian, I just used it for the example.
The word order is extremely obvious. So I don't see how ppl are confused like they are deaf. And it is especially obvious for anyone that speaks more than one language. Which most of us do speak multiple languages as immigrants and children of immigrants so this debate/back and forth is beyond stupid.
Both Artists RELENTLESSLY REPRESENT their nations.
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There should be ZERO confusion. What is wrong with ppl? 🤦🏾♀🤦🏾♀🤦🏾♀
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7. Jamaican Me Crazy, 2018
"@Nelle Nelle lol I think my name is pretty accurate in either case you're right and wrong. If you think that particular verse that sounds very Jamaican isn't at least inspired by Jamaican dancehall music you're quite mistaken. It sounds even more Jamaican because she really attacked it dancehall style. So you're 100% right it's burner's song but I can hear at least 3 distinct different styles in that song."
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8. Nabil Abdulrashid, 2018
"Nelle Nelle not sure who you’re trying to school but let me simplify things for you.. I said there are SOME similarities I never said they were completely the same.. that aside, saying the applications are completely different is also very erroneous. Jamaicans day “weh you deh?” Nigerians :” where you dey” exact same thing but different accents.. “unnu” for Jamaicans is “you” plural and “unna” for Nigerians is the same thing as this comes from the word “unnu” in Igbo.. pikni to Jamaicans is child or children and “pikin” is the same to Nigerians because it comes from pequinho in Portuguese. “Dem tell me seh” is they told me.. “dem tell me say”.. exact same thing to Nigerians.. yes we may use some words that differ because we are different nations but Jamaican patois and Nigerian broken English are almost identical if not for the difference in inflection and accents. And this is why it’s easy for Nigerians to understand. Nothing confusing about that either, just stating the obvious.. a Jamaican artist in theory shouldn’t have problems singing in Nigerian broken English and vice versa as there is very little difference between the two languages as they have the exact same roots.. English/Portuguese/French and various African influences. The bruk tongue of the Guyanese and trinis etc are a different kettle of fish as they are heavily influenced by Indians"
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9. Nabil Abdulrashid, 2018
"Nelle Nelle also.. no.. we would not say “wahala she no de give me”.. in fact the structure you gave the “Jamaican” sentence is a far more accurate portrayal of how a Nigerian would speak (keeping in mind that both patois and Nigerian Pidgin vary depending on the region so Warri people speak differently the same way the rastas of Bobo hill and all the “country” Jamaicans sound very distinct from city types etc..)"
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10. Nelle Nelle, 2018
"@Nabil Abdulrashid Country and City Jamaicans do not have distinctly different vocabulary or sentence structure. Country talk fast and city speaks slow. That's it.
And in the ghetto they mash up the sentences with bad grammar the same way a ghetto person in the USA uses ebonics. Lack of education doesn't count as a whole new language or dialect though."
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11. Nelle Nelle, 2018
"@Nabil Abdulrashid It is DEFINITELY a challenge for Jamaicans to imitate Nigerians, that's why Koffee's cover is great and deserves props. We do not speak alike, get over it. We have more in common with Ghanaians and a cover of that would still be tricky.
Did I disagree that we share some words? NO, so you have no business exacerbating that point. Yet attempting to do so you still failed because "UNA" & "UNNU" are not the same word but that's the example you chose. If you are saying unnu comes from a Nigerian word "unnu" why would the Nigerian not pronounce it the same?? Why add a ? Or was that a type-o? 👀
And you are ALL they way confused. The Portuguese don't have SHXT to do with Jamaican Patwa. We have a history with the SPANISH we have Spanish Town, Kingston not Portugal Town. We still trade with the Spanish til this day. It's the Africans that affected Portuguese not them affecting us. & How the hell can you attempt to say we have less in common with the Trinis ?? 😲😩😩😩😖
You know that Diwali is celebrated in Jamaica right? And that we have Indians too? Do you even know what a Coolie is??
Trinis don't have the crazy word order application of the others but they insert words.
They like to say "he/she does" before every action. In present tense.
"She does put di ting pon di table"
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"She put di ting pon di table" or "she put it pon di table".
Portuguese is a language that comes from Spanish and French if you want to hear what it sounds like with African influence go listen to Brazilian music. Stop mash up everybody's culture and identity. It's not unity, it's disrespectful, ignorant, and embarrassing."
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12. Dermott Morris, 2018
"Just when I thought this would be a beautiful moment for Pan African unity....do we have to fight over everything? I thought we were all here because we liked her performance.."
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13. Lika Vogue, 2018
"Lol, I have not seen a Nigerian who does not understand or speak pidgin English. They can only lie that they don't speak."
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14. Jan ice, 2018
"Ppl no fuss no fight....im jamaican and i know the dialect there are some small difference bcos of accent between pidgin n patois not big of a difference with words...i have lots of Nja friends and watch lots of African movies...koffee did sing some pidgin language in the somg so meck wi no fight ooooo big up Africa d mother land....would like to see Koffee do something on d Afro beat tho...love Afro beats."
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15. Jamaican Me Crazy, 2018
"@Nelle Nelle I can understand your point of view but you refuse to see mine. Why is it so far fetched to think that she added a Jamaican spin to a Nigerian song. By the way I live in Kingston and I love burna. The 3 genres I heard were obviously Nigerian... There's a verse where she added a bit more of a dancehall style which I admit is in the original and I can also distinctly hear some hip hop influence too."
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16. burnaboy Olivia Okpara, 2018
"@Yohanan Ironside I feel bad now, I lived in Abuja and I'm not good at pidgin"
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17. Tomiwa Aje, 2018
"Well, Pidgin English is spoken in other parts of the world including in some densely black areas in some parts of London and Pidgin English is not the official language of Nigeria so your point does not count"
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18. LionessOrder, 2018
"@Nelle Nelle ebonics aka AAVE = Nigerian pidgin. AAVE is not bad grammar."
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19. Obieze Daniels, 2018
"Nelle Nelle ,actually a nigerian would say""she no dey gimme wahala'',jidenna just said it that way to make it fit in the lyrics,and you are right,same roots different application
Interestingly,unnu sounds very similar to ''Unu""(pronounced the same way) which literally means ""you people'' in igbo language.this is used in Nigerian pidgin as"Una" as in 'una dey craze" meaning you people are crazy.peace and love."
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20. Steven Jr C., 2018
"@Nelle Nelle it's definitely not a challenge for jamaicans to imitate Nigerians. The same way its not hard for nigerians to understand and imitate jamicans. Maybe it is for YOU and the jamaicans you know lol. The cultures are very similar for obvious reasons."
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21. Femre Ola, 2018
"Yohanan Ironside : Not everyone in Nigeria speak Pidgin fluently my friend. Nigeria is not just Lagos and Abuja, I hope you know that."
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22. David de Jamaica, 2018
"She is doing a Jamaican cover of his song...that how we have spoken with zero influence from contemporary Africans. We have been singing like this for generations. A matter of fact we brought our way of speaking to the UK and via music mainly Bob Marley that style of speaking to the Africa and the Worls at large. The entire planet has heard about Bob Marley and his proud Patois accent. So there are similarities but it is 1 directional, because Modern africans didnt influence us..."
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23. David de Jamaica, 2018
"It is cool that music and technology has advanced in African countries that are saying we took their style but it is actually the other way around and the cycle is in effect. Doesn't he Burnaman date a Jamaican and didnt spend time in UK around tje Jamaican community so consider that. Either way this song is dope..."
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24. David de Jamaica, 2018
"Jamaica has more content going back to Colonial days to say our musical genres are unique to us with influences from Africa and other cultures. Ska, Reggae, Dancehall etc"
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25. Kezia Crichlow, 2018
"She will do a good job because most of us from the Caribbean ancestors were brought from Africa to the Caribbean that's how we have our dialects that are not too far off from the ones in Africa besides that she's very talented."
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26. Kareem's Vlog, 2018
"I'm Nigerian and can't hold one minute conversation in pidgin wallahi!"
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27. jidenna Official, 2018
"@Tomiwa Aje the said English language is our official language but the truth is we speak our native language more depending on the region and even when we try to communicate with non speakers we use Pidgin English."
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28. Tomiwa Aje, 2018
"@jidenna Official not my point. Pidgin is NOT our official language so why should some Nigerians get called out for not knowing how to speak it? I'll have you know some regions in very sophisticated areas do not speak Pidgin, but converse in English and don't train their children with pidgin. My parents didn't train me with pidgin. There are people who don't speak their native language, so.....?? English is the lingua-franca so he should not call people out based on not knowing how to speak Pidgin, simple."
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29. jidenna Official, 2018
"@Tomiwa Aje you're right nobody should call out Nigerians for knowing how to speak English.
And also I didn't say Pidgin is our official language I just said apart from our native language we speak Pidgin English more than English itself"
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30. jidenna Official, 2018
"Who Pidgin English help? Besides I leave where 96% of the people speak the same language with I."
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31. Kimberly Sam, 2018
"Jamaican Me Crazy have to agree. West African artistes are often influenced by Dancehall/ reggae."
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32. Nelle Nelle, 2018
"@Obieze Daniels Thanks for your reply , the only sensible one in MONTHS haha :-D I'm surprised my words are even still getting views. Jidenna isn't the only one I've heard arrange words like that but I'm glad you knew what I was talking about. Rotimi is another culprit but he's Amerigerian (American-Nigerian haha) so he might have been finessing too. Be blessed, and listen to Koffee & Chronic remix of "I Don't Care" ! Burma boy Also has a new video out called Gum Body. ^_^"
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jidenna
"Jidenna Theodore Mobisson (born May 4, 1985), better known mononymously as Jidenna, is an American rapper, singer, songwriter and record producer from Imo State, Nigeria...
Jidenna Theodore Mobisson was born on May 4, 1985 in Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin,[6][7] to Tama Mobisson, a white accountant, and Oliver Mobisson, a Nigerian Igbo academic. Jidenna grew up partially in Nigeria, where his father was working as a professor of computer science at Enugu State University.[3] When Jidenna was 6 years old, the family moved back to the United States.[3] In 1995, the family moved to Norwood, Massachusetts, and then to Milton, Massachusetts, in 2000.[8] His father died in 2010.[3]"...
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotimi_(actor)
"Olurotimi Akinosho (born November 30, 1988), known professionally as Rotimi, is a Nigerian-American actor, singer, and model. He is known for his role as Darius Morrison on the Starz series Boss, and starred as Andre Coleman on Power.
Rotimi was born in Maplewood, New Jersey, to Nigerian parents; his father an investment banker of Yoruba origin and his mother of Igbo origin,[1] working for the government."...
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33. Obieze Daniels, 2018
"Nelle Nelle ,that's the power of tthe NET,a conversation can go on for years,Amerinigerians or Naijamerican as we prefer are often not so adept at speaking pidgin,and often give it a dif twist when they try to,i am igbo and know for a fact that igbo blood is sprinkled across the Carribean and the United states ,,Google the autobiography of Gustavo the Slave ,the story of Olaudah Equino,the first black Msn of any Nationality to write a biography in English recounting his Origin.,he was an igno slave who served his white master(a sailor)in Jamaica from thr age of 12 -20 ,learning the sea trade and earning enough money to buy his freedom,he moved to America ,but couldn't stay due to the racism of the period,,then moved to England when he died and buried to this daytoday hr is claimed by west indians,A.A and English blacks,but he remained by his own confession just an Igbo man.or King JaJa of Opobo,another igbo who was deposed by the British Colonial government and sent on exile to St kitts for challenging thier authourity in his domain.we are all connected by blood and history,i think that"s why there's a lot of similarities in our looks,culture and general World Outlook,peace love and respect."
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34. Kay Ade, 2018
"I can't speak pidgin right if you held a gun to my head and told me my next breath depended on it. I do try to, but people just tell me to cease and desist and threaten me with bodily harm."
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35. Kay Ade, 2018
"@Nelle Nelle I don't know what you were trying to do with your examples, however; Abdul and co were right. You do lack the knowledge of how Pidgin English is arranged. But you're right that Patois is easier to pick up on than Pidgin."
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36. Kay Ade, 2018
"@David de Jamaica It's not a Jamaican cover if she's still using all Burna's Pidgin English and Yoruba slangs. The only Jamaican intonation I got was when she says the word "house". I even thought she was Igbo, Yoruba or Ghana."
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37. David de Jamaica, 2018
"@Kay Ade read the previous comments....he moves around Jamaicans a lot in the UK and his gf is Jamaican...so 🤷🏾♂"
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38. Kay Ade, 2018
"@David de Jamaica Your previous comments made zero sense. He sang a Nigerian song using full Nigerian slangs and accents, not Jamaican accent. Koffee did exactly the same using full Nigerian slangs and accent apart from the intonation 'house'. Whatever he did in his past or present life has is irrelevant to this point."
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39. David de Jamaica, 2018
"@Kay Ade "what he did in his past is irrelevant"...hmmm ok nice talking with you, have a good one👍🏾"
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40. Nelle Nelle, 2018
"@Kay Ade I don't lack any knowledge on anything. I've been expose to Nigerian language and culture since I was 8 years-old NOT JUST NOW unlike you people that are hopping on the Pan-African bandwagon courtesy of Instagram and whatever else social media.
If you took the time to read that thread and @ me you should have seen where @Obieze Daniels explained that the Pidgin I'm use to hearing is from 2nd generation Nigerians twanging to be stylish. Supposedly. But that IS how they arrange their sentences. Period. Sentence structure is the first thing one notices when learning a new language. In English I'd say Nelle's house, in Spanish I'd have to say "Casa de Nelle". Nigerian Pidgin picks and choose when it will flip word order for adjectives and nouns. Jamaican Patwa/Patois is more consistent. Mr. Eazi, Iyanya, Wizkid, and every mainstream 9ja artist are all just "putting a twist" according to unnu. So be it."
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41. Nelle Nelle, 2018
"@Kay Ade You can't even speak Pidgin and have the nerve to attempt to tell someone about its structure XD sigh YouTube is golden."
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42. Kay Ade, 2018
"@Nelle Nelle Stop being deliberately obtuse because you love the back and forth attention. I lived on both sides of the continent and you didn't. Surely, you can't be that slow to think you understand my own languages more than I do."
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43. Mental and Floss, 2018
"@Ria Dandrade You're so correct about the language similarities. Nigerian Pidgin didn't influence Jamaican Patois. It's just that we're all connected (though some of us choose to deny it). Other African and Caribbean countries also have their own Creole too. And I would add the Gullah (Geechee Gullah) Creole language spoken by a few African Americans in South Carolina and other places in the South as well."
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44. Clement Ayimbila,2018
"@Tomiwa Aje west African pidgin is different from the others, however east Africans dont speak pidgin but they speak English."
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45. THE BLESSED ONE 777, 2019
"Nelle Nelle you wrong I am Jamaican living in Jamaica, and me tell you something, if you ever hear Jamaicans imitate Nigerians you would wonder if they are from Nigeria or Jamaica. This is no joke dear"
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46. Nelle Nelle, 2019
"@THE BLESSED ONE 777 The conversation was never about who can imitate who."
Taylor Swift is an American that copied French for a video. Does that mean French and English are the same language? NO. You dunce bat.
The conversation was about two things:
#1 people not being able to tell/hear the difference between our Patwa and Nigerian Pidgin.
#2 people looking for excuses to explain why Koffee could sing the song besides not being fucking deaf and simply repeating the lyrics the way she heard them.
There are over 20 Nigerian movies on YouTube right now with Africans pretending to be Jamaican and doing a HORRIBLE job. And it's literally their jobs as actors to be able to imitate others yet they can't do it.
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I'm a Jamaican, I sing in Korean. I can do it because I'm not deaf. Not because my great-dead-somebody is Korean. I also sing in Japanese. Japanese and Korean are not the same just because they're both Asian languages. JA Patwa & Pidgin are not the same just because they're Black languages.
The End."
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47. Oladele Olawaiye, 2019
"This girl was so good on the pidgin English I had to look her up before I realized she wasn't Nigerian. Her pronunciations were on point and her singing was beautiful."
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48. Faruk Shonubi, 2019
"Likeeeeee!!!! iwas surprised. She owned the pidgin like mad. I guess it's easy for her because of the patios."
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49. Annmarie busu, 2019
"Oladele Olawaiye actually sometimes we sound very similar when you do pigin. I thought you guys were imitating Jamaicans until someone explain. Our word for eat is the same as yours. Some other African words survived and we have old communities (maroon) who keep more of the language and culture."
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50. Candy Lollipop, 2020
"Really? I could immediately tell. The pronunciation was not it"
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51. Ade doyin, 2020
"@Candy Lollipop I'm a Nigerian and she kilt it her pronunciation added more flavor to the original in my opinion . fire man. i became a fan instantly."
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52. Matthew Oladele, 2019
"I love you koffee. You are a phenomenon. How did you manage to pronounce those Yoruba words exactly?"
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53. stewpeas with pig's tail, 2019
"It's in her genes.....were did she come from...."
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54. Matthew Oladele, 2019
"stewpeas with pig's tail She is a Jamaican"
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55. stewpeas with pig's tail, 2019
"@Matthew Oladele she was born in Jamaica but where is she from. I'm Jamaican my parents and grandparents and great grandparents and great great great great grandparents were born here but where are we from....we Jamaican never forgot what we are ...1 have 3 million brothers and sisters and I also have a billion auntie, uncle's and cousins. I'm Africa..."
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56. Manny M, 2019
"Burna boy brought me here. I’ve never heard of Koffee, but I’m so impressed by her delivery of YE. She made the song hers, whilst retaining the original lyrics as a tribute to the original artiste. And to think that she’s Jamaican but singing Nigeria’s pidgin fused with Yoruba is astounding. Big ups sis."
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57. ynazzra, 2019
"2:32 pidgin or patois? Maybe they’re not that far off from each other. 😁"
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58. Kay Ade, 2019
"She's speaking pidgin in the song because she is essentially repeating everything Burna sang. Her accent is so on point, I was asking my sisters why I didn't know about this sister from Nigeria before they set me straight."
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59. KAStro tha C.B Kid, 2019
"Actually, Patois is about 60 -70% made up of Akan languages,.........so at this point you're essentially comparing Nigerian Pidgin to Ghanaian Pidgin,.."
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60. Truth Teller, 2019
"@KAStro tha C.B Kid Incorrect. You'll find that there are just as many Igbo words used than any other ethnic tribe, which correlates to the fact that most of the enslaved people were taken from the Igbo tribe, part of what we know now as Nigeria."
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61. Jiggy one, 2019
"@Truth Teller very true. Jamaicans were taken from Nigeria. Only a minute few were from Ghana."
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62. Key Fierce, 2019
"@Jiggy one I most say I have seen more Ghanaian that I would have sworn were Jamaican. Most Jamaicans I know doing the DNA test, Ghanaian is more prominent."
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63. THE BLESSED ONE 777, 2019
"Key Fierce I am Jamaican and you are wrong. Majority Jamaicans doing their DNA ancestry and it mostly Nigeria, Benin and Cameroon, Ghana is there but most is small percentages. Now Jamaicans are questioning it. Furthermore our behaviour is sooo similar to them Nigerians. My results is a living proof plus a well known media personality who mom deriving from the Igbos of Nigeria."
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64. Key Fierce, 2019
"@THE BLESSED ONE 777 most Jamaicans I know, so I am not wrong. However the DNA companies are refreshing the results so my cousins just changed to majority Nigerian."
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65. THE BLESSED ONE 777, 2019
"Key Fierce because of queen Nanny and her bravery in Jamaican history people just brand us that we mostly from Ghana and Jamaicans and other countries jus love Ghana because it’s quiet and peaceful. While studying in college our history teacher give us an assignment to go and research on our ancestors that was enslaved to Jamaica. He firmly instructed us not to go on the front page of Wikipedia but find other sources. So the books at the library do not tell lies plus when I visited the home of some elderly there I got some very interesting stories about their fore parents. Surprisingly Congo and Benin top the list and Nigeria. My grandma told me that her fore parents was not maroons. She said the maroons ran to the hills and started their own community and didn’t mixed. Then English brought on the island a lot of slaves from Nigeria which was the igbos, Yorubas, ibbibios, edo and tribes from Calabar. She said until this date maroons do not want to mixed outside their community this is why majority getting high percentages of other west African countries than Ghana. I have Nigerian friends and girl, when I go visit their homes in the USA these people ingredients in cooking is just the same but different method of cooking. This is what shocked me when they say the word wewi for urinate and we say that word too and string gum which means chewing gum. There’s a lot usage of words which show me that these Nigerians and Jamaicans are close relatives. In England they cannot agree on nothing because they see themselves in each other, always be the best with big ego, so sis theirs a lot more will surprise you."
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66. Kirsty Parnell, 2019
"The comments on this thread are beautiful.. unite as one ❤"
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67. Rouge Revival, 2019
"This una language coming from a uk based naija boy! Imagine without slavery this would be your day to day language! Our ancestors are smiling !"
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