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Showing posts with label early African American Gospel songs. Show all posts
Showing posts with label early African American Gospel songs. Show all posts

Sunday, November 2, 2025

Seven Religious Versions & One Civil Rights Version Of "Sit At The Welcome Table" (YouTube videos or sound files)



Birmingham Jubilee Singers, Sep 29, 2014 Provided to YouTube by The Orchard Enterprises

I'm Going to Sit At The Welcome Table · Birmingham Jubilee Singers Biddleville Quintette Vol. 2 (1926-1929)
**** Edited by Azizi Powell

This post is Part II of a two part pancocojams series on the early African American Gospel* song "Sit At The Welcome Table".

This post showcases seven religious versions and one Civil Rights version of African Americans singing "Sit At The Welcome Table".

Some of these religious versions of that song have other titles than "Sit At The Welcome Table" but include those words as a verse in those songs.

This post also includes a YouTube sound file of a Civil Rights version of "Sit At The Welcome Table". 


Click 
https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2025/11/sit-at-welcome-table-information.html of this pancocojams series. This post consist of selected comments about the origin and meaning of "Sit At The Welcome Table" from several discussion threads on the online Mudcat folk music forum.

The content of this post is presented for historical, religious, socio-cultural, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composers of "Sit At The Welcome Table" and the earlier African American Spirituals that inspired the composition of the "Sit At The Welcome Table" verses and songs. Thanks also to all those whose renditions of "Sit At The Welcome Table" is showcased in this post and thanks to the publishers of these videos and sound files on YouTube..
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*I prefer to categorize "Sit At The Welcome Table" as an early Gospel song. However, I have no problem with other people categorizing it as a Spiritual.  Part of the confusion in determining if "Sit At The Welcome Table" is an African American Spiritual or is an early African American Gospel song is that the line "I'm gonna sit at the welcome table" appears to have been sung as part of some Spirituals. However, renditions of this song that focus on sitting at the Welcome Table" may not have been documented until the early 20th century.

The song "Sit At The Welcome Table" has many similar characteristics as African American Spirituals. For instance, Spirituals were composed in the 19th century and have no known composers. In contrast, most African American Gospel songs have known composers. However, it doesn't appear that "Sit At The Welcome Table" has a known composer.   Also, ass is the case with African American Spirituals and with most African American Gospel songs, there are no fixed lyrics for renditions of "Sit At The Welcome Table".

Some adaptations of "Sit At The Welcome Table" were also composed and sung as Civil Rights songs in the 1960s. Those adaptations usually included a verse about "sit ins" at Woolworth lunch counters where African Americans at that time were routinely refused service.  The protest strategies was that African Americans (usually students at universities in the South) would sit at the counter therefore taking a seat that couldn't then be occupied by a White person. Those sit in demonstrators were usually arrested for these actions. 

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SELECTED YOUTUBE VIDEOS AND SOUND FILES OF "SIT AT THE WELCOME TABLE"
With the exception of Showcase Example #1, these examples are given in chronological order based on their publishing date with the oldest dates given first.

Some of these songs have other titles than "Sit At The Welcome Table" instead "sit at the welcome table" is one of the verses of those songs.


YOUTUBE EXAMPLE #1
This example is given at the top of this post.

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YOUTUBE EXAMPLE #2 - Kenique - Sit at the Welcome Table


D3ALUH Jul 21, 2009
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Here's a comment from that video's discussion thread:
1.@louisestaats234, 2020
"LOVE the concept of the song leader moving around, interacting with God's people."
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While a group of singers sung this song in the front of the church sanctuary, the song leader went down the center aisle of the sanctuary and encouraged congregants seated in specific rows of the church to sing along. The people in those rows stood up when it was their turn to sing into the mic and/or sing along with the song leader. 

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YOUTUBE EXAMPLE #3 - 
FEAST ON MILK AND HONEY


CHARLES MAGBY, May 19, 2010

ADULT PRAISE TEAM LEADING WORSHIP SERVICE
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A commenter in this video's discussion thread wrote that the actual name of this song is "Somewhere Around The Throne."
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I think that the choir is singing "Oh how beautiful it would be" in the beginning of the lines for this song.

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YOUTUBE EXAMPLE #4 -Macedonia M.B.Church Choir Feat: Sister Carolyn Huntley "Somewhere Around God's Throne"


deaconreeves, Feb 14, 2012

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YOUTUBE EXAMPLE #5 - Welcome Table -by the Wings Over Jordan Choir 


Gail Vaughn, Jan 2, 2014

"I'm going down to the river of Jordan .... going to sit at the welcome table.... going to feast on milk and honey...   some of these days"

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YOUTUBE EXAMPLE #6- I'm Gonna Sit at the Welcome Table (Civil Rights version)
 


Hollis Watkins - Topic, May 19, 2015

Provided to YouTube by Smithsonian Folkways Recordings

I'm Gonna Sit at the Welcome Table · Hollis Watkins

Sing For Freedom: The Story of the Civil Rights Movement Through Its Songs

℗ 1990 Smithsonian Folkways Recordings

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YOUTUBE EXAMPLE #7 - The Bingham Sisters, "I'm Going to Sit at the Welcome Table"


mtsuhistory, Feb 21, 2016

The Bingham Sisters since "I'm Going to Sit at the Welcome Table" at the Black History Month Celebration at Stones River National Battlefield: "Hallowed Grounds: Site of African American Memory." Co-sponsored by African American Heritage Society of Rutherford County, 13th US Colored Troops Re-enactors, Friends of Stones River National Battlefield, and MTSU History
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This rendition begins with the verse "I'm gonna down to the river of Jordan".

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YOUTUBE EXAMPLE #8 - R.E.I.G.N. - Sit At The Welcome Table One Of These Days (Quartet)


ryannrjohnson, Oct 4, 2022  #301Church

R.E.I.G.N. Singing at #301Church Wilson Memorial 69th Church Anniversary Banquet 

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Tuesday, May 28, 2024

"Where Shall I Be When That First Trumpet Sounds?"(Information About This African American Old Time Gospel Songs With That Title)

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part I of a three part pancocojams series about the African American early Gospel songs that are entitled 
"Where Shall I Be When That First Trumpet Sounds?" 

This post presents selected comments from Mudcat folk music forum about examples of the religious song song "Where Shall I Be When That First Trumpet Sounds?" 

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/05/where-shall-i-be-when-that-first_28.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. That post showcases a YouTube sound file of the African American Gospel song "Where Shall I Be When That First Trumpet Sounds?" by Blind Lemon Jefferson (1926) and showcases a YouTube sound file of that song by Rev. Edward W. Clayborn (1927).

That post also includes information about Blind Lemon Jefferson and information about Rev. Edward W. Clayborn. The lyrics for those versions of "Where Shall I Be?" are also included in that post.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/05/eight-african-american-renditions-of.html for Part III of this pancocojams series. That post presents eight YouTube sound files or videos of examples of "Where Shall I Be When That First Trumpet Sounds?". These examples of that African American Gospel song were recorded or performed from the 1950s through 2019. The lyrics for these examples aren't included in this post.

The content of this post is presented for religious, historical, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown person/s who was (were) the first composer/s of this African American Gospel song. Thanks to all those who are showcased in this post and thanks to the publishers of these examples on YouTube.
  

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
Comments from Mudcat member Q (Frank Staplin)* uses the term "Spiritual" for these songs. I prefer the term "early Gospel" and specifically African American early Gospel . By "African American early Gospel" I mean songs that were composed by African Americans after the end of the United States Civil War through the 1930s.

It appears to me that the lyrical structure of these African American old (early) Gospel songs are different from the lyrical structure of Spirituals. For instance, these songs don't have a call & response pattern, or at least the call & response patterns aren't the same as those that Spirituals have.

I'd love to read opinions from other people about how they categorize these particular African American religious songs. 

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EXCERPT FROM MUDCAT DISCUSSION FORUM

https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=79315

Numbers added for referencing purposes only.

1. Subject: Lyr Add: WHERE SHALL I BE? (SPIRITUAL)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 04:45 PM
 

Several versions of this spiritual, which sometimes incorporates verses from other songs.

 Lyr. Add: WHAR SHALL I BE?

Moses lived till he got old,
Whar shall I be?
Buried in de mountain, so I'm told,
Whar shall I be?


Whar shall I be when de first trumpet sounds?
Whar shall I be when it sounds so loud?
When it sound so loud that it wake up the dead,
Whar shall I be when it sounds?


Well, God showed Noar de rainbow sign,
Whar shall I be?
No more water but fire nex' time,
Whar shall I be?


Matthew, Mark, Luke and John,
Whar shall I be?
Tole me whar my Saviour gone,
Whar shall I be?


John declar'd he saw a man,
Whar shall I be?
Wid seben lamps in his right han',
Whar shall I be?

 

The authors consider this to be a later song, "a general mixture of old songs and new songs, old traits and new traits, the Negro sings a beautiful song which he has called "Whar Shall I Be?" The usual imagery is seen."

Howard W. Odum and Guy B. Johnson, 1925 (and reprints), The Negro and His Songs," Univ. North Carolina (later Greenwood and Negro Universities Press, 1976), pp. 134-135.

 

Lyr. Add: Where Shall I Be When de Firs' Trumpet Soun'?

Refrain

Where shall I be when de firs' trumpet soun',
Where shall I be when it soun' so loud,
Soun' so loud till it wakes up the dead,
Where shall I be when it soun'?

 

Solo

Moses died in de days of old, 
Where shall I be?
Where he was buried has never been told,
Oh Where shall I be?

 

God gave de people de rainbow sign,
Where shall I be?
No more water, but fire next time
Where shall I be?

 

With music, p. 173. This song was not in the 1874 edition, but was added in a later edition, probably that of 1909 (fifth ed.) when some 25 songs from Fisk and elsewhere were added. A new and enlarged edition had previously been published in 1891.

Nathaniel Dett, 1927, "Religious Folk Songs of the Negro as Sung at Hampton Institute," Hampton University Press. AMS edition, 1972.

Johnson and Johnson, "The Books of American Negro Spirituals," Book 1, p. 136, includes the following verse:

 

Gwine try on my robe when de firs' trumpet soun'
Where shall I be
Gwine try on ma robe, etc.

 

Lyrics Add: WHERE SHALL I BE (Carter)


The judgement day is drawing nigh
Where shall I be
When God the work of men shall try
Where shall I be.

When east and west the fire will roll
Where shall I be
How will it be with my poor soul
Where shall I be.


Chorus

Oh, where shall I be
When the first trumpet sounds
Oh, where will I be
When it sounds so loud
When it sounds so loud as to wake up the dead
Oh, where shall I be when it sounds.


When wicked men his wrath shall see
Where shall I be
And to the rocks and mountains flee
Where shall I be.


When hills and mountains *flee away
Where shall I be
And all the work of men decay
Where shall I be.


Oh, where shall I be
When the first trumpet sounds
Oh, where shall I be
When it sounds so loud
When it sounds so loud as to wake up the dead
Oh, where shall I be when it sounds.

When the savior reigns from shore to shore
Where shall I be
**From God's angry presence thrown
Where shall I be.

 

Well, I'll be sleeping in my grave
When the first trumpet sounds
I'll be sleeping in my grave
When it sounds so loud
When it sounds so loud as to wake up the dead
I'll be sleeping in my grave when it sounds.

 

Repeat last chorus.

 

*wear, not flee(?). **When God's angry presence roars(?). Their renditions varied slightly, also transcriptions sometimes in error. Carter Family Songs, part Seven. Carter Songs

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2. 
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: WHERE SHALL I BE? (SPIRITUAL)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 10:46 PM

"Does anyone have the Blind Lemon Jefferson version?

The African-American pastor and composer of more than 1000 gospel songs, Charles Price Jones, wrote a version of "Where Shall I Be When the Last Trumpet Sounds." A brief biography and some of his songs are included in the Cyberhymnal."...

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3. Subject: Lyr Add: WHERE SHALL I BE WHEN DE FIRS' TRUMPET...
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 06:24 PM


From [This title will be added once the Mudcat site is available again] 
by Thomas Putnam Fenner, Hampton Normal and Agricultural Institute (Hampton, VA: The Institute Press, 1905), page 172—where it appears with musical notation for 4 voices:


WHERE SHALL I BE WHEN DE FIRS' TRUMPET SOUN'?

CHORUS: Where shall I be when de firs' trumpet soun'?
Where shall I be when it soun' so loud,
Soun' so loud till it wakes up de dead?
Where shall I be when it soun'?

1. Moses died in de days of old.
Where shall I be?
Where he was buried has never been told.
Where shall I be?

2. God gave de people de rainbow sign.
Where shall I be?
No more water, but fire next time.
Where shall I be?"

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Tuesday, April 23, 2024

Some Early Versions Of The African American Gospel Song "Where Shall I Be When That First Trumpet Sounds"

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II of a two part pancocojams series on the African American Gispel song "Where Shall I Be When That First Trumpet Sounds" (also given as "Where Shall I Be".

This post presents a few early versions by African Americans of the African American Gospel song "Where Shall I Be When That First Trumpet Sounds" (also given as "Where Shall I Be").

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/04/youtube-examples-of-where-shall-i-be.html for Part I of this series. That post presents five YouTube examples of the African American Gospel Song "Where Shall I Be When That First Trumpet Sounds" (also given as "Where Shall I Be").

The content of this post is presented for religious, historical, cultural, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composers of this song. Thanks to Charles Price Jones, the African American minister whose 1895 adaptation of this Spiritual is credited as the source for later examples of this song. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. 

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SOME EARLY VERSIONS BY AFRICAN AMERICANS OF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN GOSPEL SONG* "WHERE WILL I BE WHEN THAT FIRST TRUMPET SOUNDS (with lyrics)

*Most online sources categorize this religious song as a Spiritual. However, I consider African American religious songs that were originally composed or adapted after the 1870s to be early Gospel songs. Maybe the versions of this song that are given here are examples of gospelized Spirituals. 

1895

1 When judgment day is drawing nigh,
Where shall I be?
When God the works of men shall try,
Where shall I be?
When east and west the fire shall roll,
Where shall I be?
How will it be with my poor soul;
Where shall I be?

Refrain:

Oh, where shall I be when the first trumpet sounds,
Oh, where shall I be when it sounds so loud?
When it sounds so loud as to wake up the dead?
Oh, where shall I be when it sounds?


2 When wicked men His wrath shall see,
Where shall I be?
And to the rocks and mountains flee,
Where shall I be?
When hills and mountains flee away,
Where shall I be?
When all the works of men decay,
Where shall I be? [Refrain]


3 When heav'n and earth as some great scroll,
Where shall I be?
Shall from God's angry presence roll,
Where shall I be?
When all the saints redeemed shall stand,
Where shall I be?
Forever blest at God's right hand,
Where shall I be? [Refrain]


4 All trouble done, all conflict past,
Where shall I be?
And old Apolyon bound at last,
Where shall I be?
When Christ shall reign from shore to shore,
Where shall I be?
And peace abide forevermore,
Where shall I be? [Refrain]

Source: One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism: an African American ecumenical hymnal #601

Adapter: Charles Price Jones [African American], adapted from earlier African American Spiritual around 1895

Charles Price Jones born December 9, 1865, near Rome, Georgia. He grew up in Kingston, Georgia, and attended the Baptist church. He was converted in 1884 while living in Cat Island, Arkansas. In 1885 he was called to the ministry and began preaching. In 1888 he attended Arkansas Baptist College and taught school in Grant County, Arkansas. He preached and pastored several Baptist churches. After asking God for a deeper experience of grace and fasting and praying for three days, Jones experienced a closeness with God, and in 1895, along with other Baptist holiness adherents, who taught that a second work of grace can cleanse the Christian of original sin. They started a holiness movement in the Baptist church, and he began teaching holiness"
-African American minister Charles Price Jones adapts an earlier African American Spiritual. The first verse and the refrain (chorus) for this version has become standard lyrics for that Spiritual. 

Online Source: https://hymnary.org/text/when_judgment_day_is_drawing_nigh “When Judgment )

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1905

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WHERE SHALL I BE WHEN DE FIRS' TRUMPET SOUN'?

CHORUS: Where shall I be when de firs' trumpet soun'?
Where shall I be when it soun' so loud,
Soun' so loud till it wakes up de dead?
Where shall I be when it soun'?

1. Moses died in de days of old.
Where shall I be?
Where he was buried has never been told.
Where shall I be?

2. God gave de people de rainbow sign.
Where shall I be?
No more water, but fire next time.
Where shall I be?

 From Religious Folk Songs of the Negro as Sung on the Plantations: New Edition by Thomas Putnam Fenner, Hampton Normal and Agricultural Institute (Hampton, VA: The Institute Press, 1905), page 172—where it appears with musical notation for 4 voices:
-posted by Jim Dixon.26 April 11, https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=79315 "Where Shall I Be (Spirituals)

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1909?

Where Shall I Be When de Firs' Trumpet Soun'? [title]

Refrain

Where shall I be when de firs' trumpet soun',
Where shall I be when it soun' so loud,
Soun' so loud till it wakes up the dead,
Where shall I be when it soun'?

Solo

Moses died in de days of old,
Where shall I be?
Where he was buried has never been told,
Oh Where shall I be?

God gave de people de rainbow sign,
Where shall I be?
No more water, but fire next time
Where shall I be?


With music, p. 173. This song was not in the 1874 edition, but was added in a later edition, probably that of 1909 (fifth ed.) when some 25 songs from Fisk and elsewhere were added. A new and enlarged edition had previously been published in 1891."
-posted by Q (Frank Staplin), 15 March o5, https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=79315 "Where Shall I Be (Spirituals

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1925 

"Lyr. Add: WHAR SHALL I BE?

Moses lived till he got old,
Whar shall I be?
Buried in de mountain, so I'm told,
Whar shall I be?

Whar shall I be when de first trumpet sounds?
Whar shall I be when it sounds so loud?
When it sound so loud that it wake up the dead,
Whar shall I be when it sounds?

Well, God showed Noar de rainbow sign,
Whar shall I be?
No more water but fire nex' time,
Whar shall I be?

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John,
Whar shall I be?
Tole me whar my Saviour gone,
Whar shall I be? 

John declar'd he saw a man,
Whar shall I be?
Wid seben lamps in his right han',
Whar shall I be?

The authors consider this to be a later song, "a general mixture of old songs and new songs, old traits and new traits, the Negro sings a beautiful song which he has called "Whar Shall I Be?" The usual imagery is seen."

Howard W. Odum and Guy B. Johnson, 1925 (and reprints), The Negro and His Songs," Univ. North Carolina (later Greenwood and Negro Universities Press, 1976), pp. 134-135."
-posted by Q (Frank Staplin), 15 March o5, https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=79315 "Where Shall I Be (Spirituals)
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This is the first example from Q (Frank Staplin) in his comment that begins "Several versions of this spiritual, which sometimes incorporates verses from other songs". 

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1927

lyrics Of "Where Shall I Be When The First Trumpet Sounds" - recorded by African American Blues Singer Blind Lemon Jefferson (in 1927)

Where shall I be when the first trumpet sounds?
Where shall I be when it sounds so loud?
It sounds so loud, oh, and it wakes up the dead
Where shall I be when it sounds?

Look over yonder what I see
Where shall I be?
It′s a band of angels askin'
Where shall I be?

Where shall I be when the first trumpet sounds?
Where shall I be when it sounds so loud?
It sounds so loud, oh, it wakes up the dead
Where shall I be when it sounds?

I′ll be trying on my garment when the first trumpet sounds
Trying on my garment when it sounds so loud
It sounds so loud, oh, it wakes up the dead
Where shall I be when it sounds?

So little I thought he was gon' die
Where shall I be?
This cute little baby laugh and cry
Where shall I be?

Where shall I be when the first trumpet sounds?
Where shall I be when it sounds so loud?
Sounds so loud, oh, it wakes up the dead
Where shall I be when it sounds?

I'll be trying on my robe when the first trumpet sounds
Trying on my robe when it sounds so loud

It sounds so loud, oh, it wakes up the dead
Where shall I be when it sounds?

Where shall I be when the first trumpet sounds?
Where shall I be when it sounds so loud?
It sounds so loud, oh, it wakes up the dead
Where shall I be when it sounds?

God told Noah by a rainbow sign
Where shall I be?
It′s no cool water but fire next time

Where shall I be?
Where shall I be when the first trumpet sounds?
Where shall I be when it sounds so loud?
It sounds so loud, oh, it wakes up the dead
Where shall I be when it sounds?"
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From https://www.musixmatch.com/lyrics/Blind-Lemon-Jefferson/Where-Shall-I-Be "Where Shall I Be" BLIND LEMON JEFFERSON (1927)"

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Sunday, August 21, 2016

Sister Rosetta Tharpe - "This Train (Is Bound For Glory)" information, video, & lyrics

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest Revision - Oct. 2, 2022

This pancocojams post presents information about the Spiritual or Early Black Gospel song "This Train (Is Bound For Glory)".

This post also provides information about Sister Rosetta Tharpe and showcases a video of Sister Rosetta Tharpe and band performing the Gospel song "This Train (Is Bound For Glory).

The content of this post is presented for cultural, religious, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Sister Rosetta Tharpe for her musical legacy and thanks to all the musicians that are featured in this video. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.

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INFORMATION ABOUT THE SONG "THIS TRAIN (IS BOUND FOR GLORY)
Excerpt #1
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Train
" "This Train", also known as "This Train Is Bound for Glory", is a traditional American gospel song first recorded in 1922. Although its origins are unknown, the song was relatively popular during the 1920s as a religious tune, and it became a gospel hit in the late 1930s for singer-guitarist Sister Rosetta Tharpe.[1] After switching from acoustic to electric guitar, Tharpe released a more secular version of the song in the early 1950s.

The song's popularity was also due in part to the influence of folklorists John A. Lomax and Alan Lomax, who discovered the song while making field recordings in the American South in the early 1930s and included it in folk song anthologies that were published in 1934 and 1960. These anthologies brought the song to the attention of an even broader audience during the folk music revival of the 1950s and 1960s.[2] Another song, called "The Crawdad Song", uses the same melody.

Early history

The earliest known example of "This Train" is a recording by Florida Normal and Industrial Institute Quartette from 1922, under the title "Dis Train".[3] Another one of the earliest recordings of the song is the version made by Wood's Blind Jubilee Singers in August 1925 under the title "This Train Is Bound for Glory". Between 1926 and 1931, three other black religious groups recorded it. During a visit to the Parchman Farm state penitentiary in Mississippi in 1933, Smithsonian Institution musicologist John A. Lomax and his son Alan made a field recording of the song by black inmate Walter McDonald. The next year the song found its way into print for the first time in the Lomaxes' American Folk Songs and Ballads anthology and was subsequently included in Alan Lomax's 1960 anthology Folk Songs of North America.[2]

In 1935, the first hillbilly recording of the song was released by Tennessee Ramblers as "Dis Train" in reference to the song's black roots.[2] Then in the late 1930s, after becoming the first black artist to sign with a major label, gospel singer and guitarist Sister Rosetta Tharpe recorded "This Train" as a hit for Decca. Her later version of the song, released by Decca in the early 1950s, featured Tharpe on electric guitar.

In 1955, the song, with altered lyrics, became a popular single for blues singer-harmonica player Little Walter Jacobs as "My Babe". This secular adaptation has since become a rock standard recorded by many artists, including Dale Hawkins, Bo Diddley, Cliff Richard (three times), and the Remains.”…

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Excerpt #2
From http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=160108
Subject: DTStudy: This Train (is bound for glory)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Jun 16 - 05:14 PM
...."here is the entry from the Traditional Ballad Index:
This Train

DESCRIPTION: "This train is bound for glory... If you ride it, you must be holy." "This train don't pull no gamblers..." (And so forth, through various sinners the train doesn't pull.) "This train don't pull no extras... Don't pull nothin' but the Heavenly Special."
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: 1922 (recording, Florida Normal Industrial Institute Quartet)

....RECORDINGS:
Biddleville Quintette, "This Train is Bound for Blory" (Paramount 12448, 1927)
Big Bill Broonzy, "This Train" (on Broonzy01)
Florida Normal Industrial Institute Quartet, "Dis Train" (OKeh 40010, 1924; rec. 1922)
Garland Jubilee Singers [pseud. for Bryant's Jubilee Quartet] "This Train" (Banner 32267/Oriole 8098/Romeo 5098, all 1931/Perfect 190, 1932; on RoughWays2)
Lulu Belle & Scotty, "This Train" (OKeh 04910, 1939)
S. E. Mullis Blue Diamond Quartet, "Dis Train" (Champion 16424, 1932)
Southern Plantation Singers, "This Train is Bound for Glory" (Vocalion 1250, 1929; rec. 1928)
Sister Rosetta Tharpe, "This Train" (Decca 2558, 1939) (Down Beat 104 [as Sister Katty Marie], n.d.)

NOTES: Cohen observes that there are two basic forms of this song, the "This Train" version in the description and a type he calls "Same Train": "Same train carry my mother, same train (x2). Same train carry my mother, Same train be back tomorrow, same train."

There isn't much different in age, but Cohen argues that "Same Train" is older because it is much less interesting. I would say he is almost certainly right."...

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From: Mr Red
Date: 17 Jun 16 - 03:23 AM
"FWIW because of his Autobiography, people, understandably, assume Woodie Guthrie wrote it. I have seen a statement by him somewhere to the effect he was putting the record straight. He regarded the song as trad."
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 "trad" = "traditional", meaning an old song whose composer is unknown
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INFORMATION ABOUT SISTER ROSETTA THARP
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6L5grLqkA0
"Sister Rosetta Tharpe (March 20, 1915 – October 9, 1973) was an American singer, songwriter, guitarist and recording artist. A pioneer of mid-20th-century music, she attained popularity in the 1930s and 1940s with her gospel recordings, characterized by a unique mixture of spiritual lyrics and rhythmic acompaniment that was a precursor of rock and roll. She was the first great recording star of gospel music and among the first gospel musicians to appeal to rhythm-and-blues and rock-and-roll audiences, later being referred to as "the original soul sister" and "the godmother of rock and roll".[1][3][4][5][6] She influenced early rock-and-roll musicians, including Little Richard, Johnny Cash, Chuck Berry, Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis.[5][7][8]

Willing to cross the line between sacred and secular by performing her music of "light" in the "darkness" of nightclubs and concert halls with big bands behind her, Tharpe pushed spiritual music into the mainstream and helped pioneer the rise of pop-gospel, beginning with her 1939 hit "This Train".[1] Her unique music left a lasting mark on more conventional gospel artists, such as Ira Tucker, Sr., of the Dixie Hummingbirds. While she offended some conservative churchgoers with her forays into the pop world, she never left gospel music."...
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This excerpt is reformatted for this post for greater reading clarity.

That folk music forum discussion thread contains additional text (lyric only) examples and additional comments about this religious song."

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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Sister Rosetta Tharpe / "This Train (is bound for Glory)" - (live performance)



Enzo Gianvittorio, Published on Jul 11, 2014

This train is a clean train, this train
This train is a clean train, this train
This train is a clean train, everybody's riding in Jesus' name
This train is a clean train, this train.

This train is bound for Glory, this train
This train is bound for Glory, you know this train
This train is bound for Glory,
Everybody riding here got to be holy
'Cause this train is a clean train, This train

But this train, don't pull no lairs, this train
you got to get off. This train, don't pull no lairs,
no false pretenders, and not bad b..
because this train is a clean train
This Train !

But this train, don't pull no wankers
I said this train don't pull no wankers, this train
no no no no no don't pull no wankers,
no crap shooters and no whiskies drinkers...
It's a clean train
This Train !

You know, this train don't pull no jokers, this train
This train don't pull no jokers, ah ah this train
Hey, this train don't pull no jokers,
no tobacco chewers and no cigar smokers
'Cause this train is a clean train, I said this train.

This train is on the way to Glory, this train.
Yeah this train, is on the way to Glory, ohhh this train.
You know this train is on the way to Glory
everybody riding it it got to be holly holly
'Cause this train is a clean train,
This Train !
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Here are two comments from that video's discussion thread:
Mrs. Cardenas, 2015
"Lovely! Good'ol music, where are u this days!😕😭😭😭 It's a beautify, soulful song"

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jchbsurf, 2015
"Not so well remembered any longer but Ms Tharpe was a monster talent."
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Describing a person as being "a monster talent" means that that person is (was) exceptionally talented (has/had super human talent). This is a positive description and is the same as saying that the person is "a beast".

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Sunday, August 7, 2016

"Hand Me Down My Sliver Trumpet, Gabriel" & "Hand Me Down My Walking Shoes" ( comments, lyrics, & videos)

Edited by Azizi Powell

Updated -Nov. 28,2022

This pancocojams post provides information about and lyrics for the African American Spiritual or early Gospel song "Hand Me Down My Sliver Trumpet, Gabriel" (also known as "Hand Me Down My Silver Trumpet"). Two video examples of this song are also included in this post.

Information, lyrics, and two video examples of secular songs with the title "Hand Me Down My Walking Shoes" are also included in this post. By no means does this post purport to cover the multiple songs from different genres that have the title "Hand Me Down My Walking Cane (or "Walking Shoes").

The Addendum to this post includes information and partial lyrics for the Blues song "Look On Yonder Wall". That song has the line "hand me down my walking cane".

The content of this post is presented for historical, folkloric, religious, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the composer/s of "Hand Me Down My Silver Trumpet". Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to all those who featured in these videos. In addition, thanks to the collectors of this song and thanks to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.

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INFORMATION ABOUT AND LYRICS FOR THE SPIRITUAL "HAND ME DOWN MY SILVER TRUMPET, GABRIEL"
From http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=37822 Origin: Hand Me Down My Walking Cane
From: GUEST,jmrnky
Date: 15 Aug 01 - 03:05 PM
"Do any of you know the origin of "Hand Me Down My Walking Cane" I have one source that says it was written by James A. Bland of "Golden Slippers" fame. However, that was the only one."

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From: Mysha
Date: 15 Aug 14 - 07:39 PM

...Black past has it James A. Bland, 1880.

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From masato sakurai
Date: 17 Aug 01 - 12:39 PM
"The Great Song Thesaurus (Oxford UP) has an entry "(Oh) Hand Me Down My Walking Cane," and it says:
1865 w.m. traditional black American spiritual
Was it? What was the evidence? Erskine Peters' Lyrics of the Afro-American Spiritual (Greenwood) contains a seemingly related one:
Hand me down my silver trumpet, Gabriel,
Hand it down;
Hand me down my silver trumpet, Gabriel,
Hand me down
Hand me down my silver trumpet,
Hand me down my silver trumpet,
All my sins been washed away. (Traditional)

Well, this version looks like a spiritual. But the collection (without melody) doesn't give the date or place it collected. According to Index to Negro Spirituals (Cleveland Public Library), "Hand Me Down" (this short title) is located in Utica Jubilee Singers Spirituals (1930), which I have not seen. There is no mention of "Hand Me Down My Walking Cane" in Blues and Gospel Records 1890-1943 (Oxford UP); the titles of 10 recordings are "Hand Me Down the Silver Trumpet," "Hand Me Down the Trumpet Gabriel," "Hand Me Down the Silver Trumpet Gabriel," "Hand Me Down My Silver Trumpet, Gabriel," "Hand Me the Silver Trumpet," and "Hand Me Down" (and "Hand Me Down My Old Suitcase").

Surely, this version of "Hand Me Down My Walking Cane" (so the title goes) has the silver trumpet" line, so these two song families are related; at least they were intermingled somewhere. But, up to now, I cannot confirm the thesaurus.

The Lester S. Levy Collection of Sheet Music has HAND ME DOWN DEM GOLDEN SHOES (Composer, Lyricist, Arranger: By Jacob J. Sawyer. Publication: Boston: W.A. Evans, 1883). The Library of Congress has two items of this song (this and this ). My guess (without any evidence)is, this was mistaken for James Bland's "Dem Golden Slippers." "
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Pancocojams editor: The hyperlinks that were given as the words this and this” in that 2001 comment now lead to a website page that has nothing to do with any song.

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From: Q
Date: 16 Aug 14 - 12:47 PM
"Was Bland first, or was its origin in spirituals like "All My Sins Done Taken Away"?
See St. Helena Island Spirituals Permathread, 130500

Bland was a member of the first all black minstrel group in the 1870s, the Georgia Minstrels. He heard spirituals from ex-slaves working on the Howard campus."
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However, James A. Bland may not have been the composer of "Hand Me Down My Walking Shoes. Here are some comments from RE: Lyr Req: hand me down my walking cane  

https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=42021

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: hand me down my walking cane

From: Stewie
Date: 12 Dec 01 - 08:04 PM
"The expression 'Hand me down my walkin' cane' seems to turn up in all manner of places from sea shanties ('Hog's Eye Man'), to blues ('Look Yonder Wall') to contemporary songwriters (John Prine). I read somewhere that it originated from the pen of James Bland in the minstrel era. Does anyone know the truth of this? I have been unable to find any verification on the usual sites - American Memory, Duke, Brown, Levy etc. Just curious.

--Stewie."

 
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: hand me down my walking cane
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Dec 01 - 09:30 PM
"Stewie, "Hand me down my walking cane" was a minstrel tune, but the author seems to be unknown. Bland gets credit in some sources, but apparently there is no evidence.

"All-er my sins are taken away" is an old spiritual (see Cleveland index) but I don't have the references cited. It probably is the antecedent of the minstrel song."

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: hand me down my walking cane
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 12:15 AM

..."American Memory lists a number of Bland songs, but Hand Me Down... isn't one of them. cufresno says unknown."
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"cufresno" was a former referent for the Traditional Ballad Index (an Annotated Bibliography of Folk Songs of the English-Speaking World) that is housed at the University of California, San Francisco, USA).

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Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/05/lyrics-all-my-sins-done-taken-away.html for a pancocojams post on Part I of a two part series on the African American Spiritual "All My Sins Done Taken Away". That post includes a link to Part II of that series which showcases videos of that song.


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SHOWCASE VIDEOS OF "HAND ME DOWN MY SILVER TRUMPET"
Example #1: Hand Me Down My Silver Trumpet. (Spiritual) . Cantorion Colin Jones.



bryntomos Published on Nov 16, 2014

A rousing spiritual. Soloist :Mr Norman Rogers Jones. Musical Director .Maestro Colin Jones. Recorded in 1999.

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Example #2: Hand Me Down My Silver Trumpet, Gabriel (feat. Lew Green (Cornet)



 Toni Lorenzo - Topic Uploaded on May 29, 2014
Provided to YouTube by Believe SAS

Hand Me Down My Silver Trumpet, Gabriel (feat. Lew Green (Cornet) · Toni Lorenzo, The Preservation Jazzband

Gospel & Spirituals from New Orleans

℗ Music Unlimited GmbH

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The tune and textual structure for most versions of "Hand Me Down My Walking Cane" that I have heard on YouTube are the same as or very similar to the tune and textual structure for "Ain't Gonna Grieve My Lord No More" (also known as "Oh, You'll Never Get To Heaven".

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SHOWCASE VIDEOS OF "HAND ME DOWN MY WALKING CANE"
These examples are given in chronological order based on the publishing date of this YouTube example, with the oldest dated video given first.

Example #1: Norman Blake - hand me down my walking cane
MonkWaits Published on Aug 27, 2012

one of my all-time favorite songs

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Example #2: HAND ME DOWN MY WALKING CANE by Kelly Harrell Mountaineer's Song



cdbpdx, Published on Jan 30, 2014
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A commenter wrote that this was recorded in 1926.

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ADDENDUM- BLUES SONG "LOOK ON YONDER WALL"
James "Beale Street" Clark ("Memphis Jimmy")'s 1945 Blues song "Look On Yonder Wall" includes the line "hand me down my walkin' cane". Here are partial lyrics for that song from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Look_on_Yonder_Wall
"Now baby I've been worried, ever since victory day
Every time I pick up the paper, your man is comin' this a way
Look on yonder wall, hand me down my walkin' cane
Said I'm gonna find me woman, woo-hoo look here come your man
Now your man have been in the army, 'n' I know that awful rough
I don't know how many men he done killed, but I think he done killed enough"

Tuesday, February 23, 2016

"King Jesus Is The Rock", A 1925 Example Of The Black Gospel Song "Lead Me To The Rock That Is Higher Than I"

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part I of a two part series on the Gospel song "Lead Me To The Rock That Is Higher Than I".

Part I presents an example of this song entitled "King Jesus
Is The Rock" from the 1925 book The Negro And His Songs edited by Howard W. Odum and Guy B. Johnson (University Of North Carolina Press).

Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/02/maria-providence-hear-my-cry-oh-lord.html. Part II showcases two examples of this song entitled "Hear My Cry Oh Lord" by Jamaican-Canadian vocalist Marvia Providence. Biographical information about Marvia Providence, song lyrics, and selected comments from one of these example's discussion threads are also included in that post.

The content of this post is presented for historical, cultural, and religious purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composer/s of this early Black Gospel song and thanks to Howard W. Odum and Guy B. Johnson, the editors of the book The Negro And His Songs for archiving this song.

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FEATURED SONG: KING JESUS IS THE ROCK
From https://archive.org/stream/negrohissongsstu00odum/negrohissongsstu00odum_djvu.txt

Digitized by the Internet Archive in 2011 with funding from Boston Library Consortium Member Libraries

THE NEGRO AND HIS SONGS
A STUDY OF TYPICAL NEGRO SONGS
IN THE SOUTH
BY HOWARD W. ODUM, Ph.D.
KENAN PROFESSOR OP SOCIOLOGY ANDT>IRECTOR OF THE
SCHOOL OP PUBLIC WELFARE, UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA
AND GUY B. JOHNSON, A.M.
INSTITUTE FOR RESEARCH IN SOCIAL SCIENCE
UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA, CHAPEL HILL
THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA PRESS...
1925

[page 92, 93 Examples of Religious Songs]

"The Negroes sometimes call the following song the
"riddle song," because the leader asks, "Who is the
Rock?" while the answer comes back, "King Jesus
is the Rock."

Lead me to the Rock, lead me to the Rock,
Lead me to the Rock, that is higher an' higher.
Oh, lead me to the Rock,
Yes, lead me to the Rock that is higher an' higher.

King Jesus is the Rock, yes, King Jesus is the Rock,
King Jesus is the Rock that is higher an' higher.
Oh, King Jesus is the Rock,
Yes, King Jesus is the Rock that is higher an' higher.

Standing on the Rock, yes, standing on the Rock,
Standing on the Rock that is higher an' higher.
Oh, standing on the Rock,
Yes, standing on the Rock that is higher an' higher."
-end of quote-

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THE BIBLICAL SOURCE FOR THIS SONG
Psalm 61:2, English Standard Version
"from the end of the earth I call to you when my heart is faint. Lead me to the rock that is higher than I"

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Sunday, December 6, 2015

Children Singing "Children, Go Where I Send Thee"

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II in a two part pancocojams series on the African American Gospel song "Children, Go Where I Send Thee". That song is also known as "The Holy Babe", "The Holy Baby", and "Born In Bethlehem".

This post showcases five videos of children singing "Children, Go Where I Send Thee".

Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/12/the-probable-connection-between-english.html for Part I of this series. Part I provides information, comments, and several lyric versions of "Children, Go Where I Send Thee" and of the song "Green Grow The Rushes, O". I agree with some historical musicologists that "Children, Go Where I Send Thee" is an African American adaptation of English and/or Celtic folk song "Green Grow The Rushes, O".

The content of this post is presented for cultural, religious, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composer/s of "Children, Go Where I Send Thee". Thanks also to all those who quoted in this post and all those who are featured in videos that are embedded in this post. Thanks also to the publishers of the videos that are showcased in this post.

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SHOWCASE VIDEOS
These videos are presented in chronological order by their publishing dates on YouTube with the oldest video given first.
Click the link given in Part I for examples of the lyrics for song.

Notice that some children's versions of "Children, Go Where I Send Thee" include pantomime movements.

Example #1: Children Go Where I Send Thee



jlseebergerUploaded, on Dec 7, 2008

J.T. and the 4 and 5 year old choir sing before the Christmas Musical.

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Example #2: Freedom Elementary Choir - CHILDREN, GO WHERE I SEND THEE



ZC Abejo, Uploaded on Feb 23, 2009

CUSD Musical 2008. Conducted by: Ms. Cynthia Rhodus, accompanied by: Mr. Cris Abejo

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Example #3: Gleeksman-Kohn Children's Choir - Go Where I Send Thee


Settlement Music School, Uploaded on Oct 18, 2011

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Example #4: 2020 perform Children Go where I send thee - The Stables, Milton Keynes



BritishGospelArts, Uploaded on Feb 16, 2012

2020 perform Children Go where I send thee - The Stables, Milton Keynes, 26 Nov 2011 in concert with London Community Gospel Choir. Conducted by Andrea Encinas, Abe Hampton on Keys, Ma'el Ekpitini on African drum.

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Example #5: Shiloh Missionary Baptist Church Children's Choir



Hilda T. Gautier, Published on Dec 9, 2012

Shiloh Missionary Baptist Church Children's Choir singing Children Go Where I Send Thee

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The Probable Connection Between The English Song "Green Grow The Rushes O" & The African American Gospel Song "Children Go Where I Send Thee"

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part I in a two part pancocojams series on the African American Gospel song "Children, Go Where I Send Thee". That song is also known as "The Holy Babe", "The Holy Baby", and "Born In Bethlehem" and other titles.

Part I provides information, comments, a lyric version and two of YouTube examples of the song "Green Grow The Rushes, O". Part I also includes three lyric versions of "Children, Go Where I Send Thee" and four YouTube examples of that song.

Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/12/children-singing-children-go-where-i.html for Part II of this series. Part II showcases five videos of children singing versions of "Children, Go Where I Send Thee".

The content of this post is presented for historical, folklorist, cultural, religious, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composer/s of "Green Grow The Rushes, O".  and the unknown composer/s of "Children, Go Where I Send Thee". Thanks also to all those who quoted in this post and all those who are featured in videos that are embedded in this post. Thanks also to the publishers of the videos that are showcased in this post.

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INFORMATION & COMMENTS ABOUT THE SONGS "GREEN GROW THE RUSHES O" AND "CHILDREN GO WHERE I SEND THEE"
Although "Children Go Where I Send Thee" is widely categorized on the internet as a traditional African American Spiritual, I agree with some historical musicologists and some folklorists that "Children, Go Where I Send Thee" is an early 20th century African American Gospel adaptation of much older English and/or Celtic folk song "Green Grow The Rushes, O".

Here's an excerpt from a discussion thread for "Children Go Where I Send Thee" on the internet folk music forum Mudcat http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=5139:
- posted by Joe Offer on 25 May 98 - 04:10 PM [quoting the entry on the Traditional Ballad Index]:
"Earliest Date [for a recording of "Children Go Where I Send Thee"] : 1936 ( Dennis Crampton & Robert Summers)...
Cross-Reference:
cf. "Green Grow the Rushes-O (The Twelve Apostles, Come and I Will Sing You)" (theme and structure)
cf. "Eleven to Heaven" (theme and structure)

NOTES: This could well be an American version of "Green Grow the Rushes-O" (Roud naturally lumps those two and several others). But it's easy to create songs such as this one; in the absence of certainty, I treat them as separate. See also the notes on that song. - RBW"

A blogger who went by the name of Q posted this comment 03 Dec 04 - 09:13 PM in that same Mudcat thread:
"..."Jean Ritchie collected it at a black school in Kentucky, where it may have been picked up from immigrant miners. This is the version best known in the United States. Also known as the 12 Apostles and other titles. Not found in the collections of old slave and plantation songs nor later collections of spirituals. Not listed as a spiritual in the Cleveland Index."
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For the record, Jean Ritchie was an active member of that Mudcat forum for a number of years. I also was an active member of that forum for around five years from 2004-2009.

The statement that Jean Ritchie collected "Children Go Where I Send Thee"] from a Black school in Kentucky is widely cited on the internet. Jean Ritchie (December 8, 1922 – June 1, 2015) was an American folk music singer, songwriter, and Appalachian dulcimer player. Unfortunately, I've been unable to find any information anywhere online from what school Jean Ritchie collected this song and when (what year) she collected this song. 

From reading her Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Ritchie, I surmise that Ritchie collected this song around the middle of the 1940s or towards the end of the 1940s. In addition to the timeline found on that Wikipedia page, two other quotes from that above linked Mudcat thread puts Jean Ritchie's collection of the song "Children, Go Where I Sent Thee" after 1943:
-masato sakurai, 04 Dec 04 - 09:57 AM
"Three field recordings [of "Children Go Where I Send Thee"] are at American Memory from the Library of Congress: Sound Recordings [under various other titles] (put "holy babe" into the search box).

1. "Children, I'm Goin' Way" - Silver Star Singers (rec. 1943)
2. "Holy Babe" - Davies Hill School Chorus (rec. 1943)
3. "Holy Baby, The" - Jubilee Quartet (rec. 5/20/1939)

"Holy Babe" (sung by Kelley Pace, Aaron Brown, Joe Green, Matthew Johnson, Paul Hayes) is on Various Artists: Negro Religious Songs and Services (Rounder).

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- Q, 04 Dec 04 - 12:56 PM
"Go above and find the links to 'Holy Babe" posted by Masato. These were recorded before the "Children, Go Where I Send Thee" version that was collected by Jean Ritchie."
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The statement that Jean Ritchie collected "Children Go Where I Send Thee" from a Black school in Kentucky doesn't specify that she was the first person to collect this song. 

Because "Children Go Where I Send Thee" was recorded in 1936, that song was obviously known before Ritchie collected it sometime after 1943. Also, two of the YouTbe sound file examples that are embedded in this pancocojams post  (#3 and #4) are before 1943.  

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CATEGORIZING AFRICAN AMERICAN RELIGIOUS SONGS AS "SPIRITUALS" OR "GOSPEL SONGS"
It's important to note that "African American Spirituals" (formerly known as "Negro spirituals") are usually considered to be songs composed by mostly known persons before 1865. While it's possible to compose songs that have the same lyrical pattern of Spirituals (for instance the Fred Hammond's 2001 song "The Spirit of David" (also known as "The Spirit Of The Lord"), after 1865 and particularly after the end of the 19th century, those songs are usually categorized as Gospel songs.
That is why I've categorized "Children, Go Where I Send Thee" as an early African American Gospel song and not a traditional African American Spiritual.

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INFORMATION ABOUT AND LYRICS FOR "GREEN GROW THE RUSHES O"
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Grow_the_Rushes,_O
"Green Grow the Rushes, Ho (or O) (aka The Twelve Prophets, The Carol of the Twelve Numbers, The Teaching Song, The Dilly Song, or The Ten Commandments), is an English folk song (Roud #133) popular across the English-speaking world. It is sometimes sung as a Christmas carol.

...It is cumulative in structure, with each verse built up from the previous one by appending a new stanza...The song occurs in many variants, collected by musicologists including Sabine Baring-Gould and Cecil Sharp from the West of England at the start of the twentieth century. The stanzas are clearly much corrupted and often obscure, but the references are generally agreed to be both biblical and astronomical...

Lyrics
The twelfth, cumulated, verse runs:
I'll sing you twelve,
Ho [a] Green grow the rushes,
Ho What are your twelve, Ho?
Twelve for the twelve Apostles
Eleven for the eleven who went to heaven,
Ten for the ten commandments,
Nine for the nine bright shiners,
[b] Eight for the April Rainers,
[c]Seven for the seven stars in the sky,
[d]Six for the six proud walkers,
[e]Five for the symbols at your door,
[f]Four for the Gospel makers,
Three, three, the rivals,
Two, two, the lily-white boys,
Clothèd all in green, Ho Ho
[g]One is one and all alone
[h]And evermore shall be so...

The lyrics of the song are in many places extremely obscure, and present an unusual mixture of Christian catechesis, astronomical mnemonics, and what may be pagan cosmology. The musicologist Cecil Sharp, influential in the folklore revival in England, noted in his 1916 One Hundred English Folksongs that the words are "so corrupt, indeed, that in some cases we can do little more than guess at their original meaning".[1].

The song's origins and age are uncertain: however, a counting song with similar lyrics, but without the 'Green grow the rushes' chorus, was sung by English children in the first half of the 19th century.[2][i] By 1868 several variant and somewhat garbled versions were being sung by street children as Christmas carols.[3] Sharp states that the song was very common in Somerset and the whole of the West of England.[1]...

The spiritual Children, Go Where I Send Thee has a similar format, counting down from ten or twelve biblical references."

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INFORMATION ABOUT AND LYRICS FOR "CHILDREN, GO WHERE I SEND THEE"
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children,_Go_Where_I_Send_Thee
"Children, Go Where I Send Thee" is a traditional African-American spiritual song, as well as a cumulative song. This song is also known as "The Holy Baby" or "Born in Bethlehem." There are many versions of this song, each giving a Biblical meaning to the numbers mentioned....

[Explanations for the numerical references in versions of this song]
One for the little bitty baby (Jesus).
Two for Paul and Silas.
Three for the three men riding (Biblical Magi); or the Hebrew children, in some versions.
Four for the four knocking on the door (Four Evangelists).
Five for the Five that came back alive; or Gospel preachers
Six for the six that never got fixed.
Seven for the seven that all went to Heaven
Eight for the eight that stood at the gate.
Nine for the nine that stood in the line.
Ten for the Ten Commandments.
Eleven for the eleven deriders.
Twelve for the Twelve Apostles
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"Two" is also given as "Two for Mary & Joseph"

In the line "eleven deriders", "deriders" means people who deride (ridicule) the Bible. That line is often given as "eleven is the (or for the) Gospel riders (or Gospel writers).

Lyrics for two other renditions of "Children, Go Where I Send Thee" are found below.

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SHOWCASE VIDEOS
These videos are presented in chronological order by their publishing dates on YouTube with the oldest video given first.
Click the link given in Part I for examples of the lyrics for song.

Examples of "Green Grow The Rushes O"
Example #1: Sesame Street - "Green Grow the Rushes Go"



MarshalGrover, Uploaded on Sep 6, 2008

A nonsensical counting song.
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This is a secularized version of "Green Grow The Rushes O".

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Example #2: The Cliff Adams Singers - Green grow the Rushes, oh



Glenn Wallace, Published on Dec 13, 2014

Album:
Sing something simple 76 - 2 full of listening Pleasure - 76 favourite Songs (1976)

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Examples of "Children, Go Where I Send Thee"
Example #1: Mahalia Jackson - Holy Babe



thegreatgospelblog, Uploaded on May 17, 2008
TheGreatGospelBlog.com
-snip-
Here's my transcription of this version of "Children, Go Where I Send Thee":
Go and I will send thee.
What wilt thou send me?
I will send you one one.
One for the holy baby
Born in Bethlehem.

Go and I will send thee.
What wilt thou send me?
I will send you two two.
Two for Paul and Silas.
One for the holy baby
Born in Bethlehem .

[Continue this pattern for these verses]

Three is the Hebrew children.
Four is the four that stood at the door.
Five is Gospel writers [riders?]*

[Mahalia Jackson then skips to "twelve".]

Twelve is the twelve apostles.
Eleven is the Gospel writers (riders?).
Ten is the ten commandments.
Nine is the nine that dressed so fine.
Eight is the eight that stood at the gate.
Seven is the seven that came down from heaven.
Six is the six that couldn’t be fixed.
Five is the Gospel riders.
Four is the four that stood at the door.
Three is the Hebrew children.
Two for Paul and Silas.
One for the holy baby.
Born in Bethlehem.
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*"Five" is usually given as "Five is the Gospel preachers". Mahala Jackson probably mistakenly sung the same line for "five" as she did for "eleven".

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Example #2: Children Go and I Will Send Thee



Dudley Connell, Published on Dec 19, 2012

A classic recording from 1939, recorded by John Lomax at the Arkansas State Prison in Gould, Arkansas. The singers are Kelly Pace with a handful of his fellow inmates. Considering the date of the recording, it was of course cut direct to disc which had a limited about of space available You can hear where they turned over the disc to continue the record as the fellows counted down from twelve to one and "Born in Bethlehem."
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"Children Go Where I Send Thee" begins at .30 in this film clip. The singing before that was the ending of another song.

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Example #3: Gospel Light Jubilee Singers- Go Where I Send Thee



Nico Fournier, Published on Jun 22, 2014
Carolina Gospel Quartets- (1938-1939)

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Example #4: The Fairfield Four - Children Go Where I Send Thee



The Fairfield Four Published on Dec 18, 2014

The Fairfield Four want to wish you a very Merry Christmas!
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Gabriel Scopel de Lima, 2014 wrote this transcription in the discussion thread for that video:
1. Children, go where I send thee
(Well, Lordy, then) Where will you send me?
I’m gonna send thee one by one
One was a little bitty baby
Born by the virgin Mary
Born, born, born in Bethlehem

2. Children, go where I send thee
(Well, Lordy, then) Where will you send me?
I’m gonna send thee two by two
Two was Paul and Silas
One was a little bitty baby
Born by the virgin Mary
Born, born, born in Bethlehem

3. Children, go where I send thee
(Well, Lordy, then) Where will you send me?
I’m gonna send thee three by three
Three was the Hebrew children
Two was Paul and Silas
One was a little bitty baby
Born by the virgin Mary
Born, born, born in Bethlehem

4. Children, go where I send thee
(Well, Lordy, then) Where will you send me?
I’m gonna send thee four by four
Four was the four that stood at the door
Three was the Hebrew children
Two was Paul and Silas
One was a little bitty baby
Born by the virgin Mary
Born, born, born in Bethlehem

5. Children, go where I send thee
(Well, Lordy, then) Where will you send me?
I’m gonna send thee five by five
Five was the Gospel preacher
Four was the four that stood at the door
Three was the Hebrew children
Two was Paul and Silas
One was a little bitty baby
Born by the virgin Mary
Born, born, born in Bethlehem

6. Children, go where I send thee
(Well, Lordy, then) Where will you send me?
I’m gonna send thee six by six
Six was the six that couldn’t get fixed
Five was the Gospel preacher
Four was the four that stood at the door
Three was the Hebrew children
Two was Paul and Silas
One was a little bitty baby
Born by the virgin Mary
Born, born, born in Bethlehem

7. Children, go where I send thee
(Well, Lordy, then) Where will you send me?
I’m gonna send thee twelve by twelve
Twelve was the twelve disciples
Eleven was the gospel writers
Ten was the ten commandments
Nine was was the nine that wrestled fine
Eight was the eight that stood was the gate
Seven was the seven that came down from Heaven
Six was the six that couldn’t get fixed
Five was the Gospel preacher
Four was the four that stood at the door
Three was the Hebrew children
Two was Paul and Silas
One was a little bitty baby
Born by the virgin Mary
Wrapped in swaddling clothing
Laid down in a manger
Born, born, born in Bethlehem

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Thursday, May 14, 2015

"All My Sins Done Taken Away" (Song Lyric & Howard W. Odum's 1912 Book Excerpt)

Edited by Azizi Powell

[Revised August 5, 2016]

This is Part I of a two part series on the African American religious song "All My Sins Done Taken Away" (also known as "All My Sins Been Taken Away" and "All My Sins Are Taken Away".

Part I provides an excerpt from Howard W. Odum's 1912 book "Religious Folk-Songs Of The Southern Negroes". This excerpt includes some of Howard W. Odum's general comments about Spirituals and provides comments about and lyrics for the song "All My Sins Done Taken Away."

Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/05/all-my-sins-been-taken-away-sound-files.html for Part II features YouTube sound files and videos of "All My Sins Been Taken Away" ("All My Sins Are Taken Away".)

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, cultural, and religious purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unnamed persons who composed this song and thanks to Howard W. Odum for collecting and publishing the lyrics to this song.

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ORIGINAL PUBLICATION OF "RELIGIOUS FOLK-SONGS OF THE SOUTHERN NEGROES"
By HOWARD W. ODUM
Fellow in Psychology, Clark University

A DISSERTATION SUBMITTED TO THE FACUIvTY OF
CLARK UNIVERSITY, WORCESTER, MASS., IN PARTIAL
FULFILMENT OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE
DEGREE OF DOCTOR OF PHILOSOPHY, AND ACCEPTED
ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF G. STANLEY HALL

Reprinted from the Am. Jour, of Religious Psy. and Ed.
July, 1909. Vol. 3, pp. 265-365.

Source: https://archive.org/stream/religiousfolkson00odum/religiousfolkson00odum_djvu.txt

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EXCERPT FROM http://www.gutenberg.org/files/39078/39078-h/39078-h.htm March 8, 2012 [EBook #39078]
Author: Howard W. Odum

[pp. 36-40 given as-is]
"A single favorite stanza, regardless of its meaning, is constantly being sung in a dozen different songs. It is a distinct folk-song; and it matters little to which one it belongs; it serves its purpose in any one of them. So in the form of the verse, a single tune is adapted to lines that differ widely in length; likewise a single line is not infrequently made to fit into any tune that is desired. Again, no final version of any song can be given. The lines are rarely sung in exactly the same form. There are ordinarily as many versions of a line as there are combinations of the words without spoiling the effect of the rhyme or emphatic word. The stanzas have no order of sequence, but are sung as they occur in the mind of the singer; a song does not have a standard number of stanzas, but the length depends upon the time in which it is wanted to sing that particular song. In the songs that follow the most common versions are given. In giving the dialect no attempt is made at consistency; for the negro of the present generation has no consistency of speech. He uses “the” and “de”, “them” and “dem”, “gwine” and “goin’”, “and” and “an’”, together with many other varied forms, which will be noted in a later chapter; nor does it matter that each of the forms is used in the same line or stanza. In the old songs that are here quoted for comparisons, the exact form of speech in which they have been published is used. In the miscellaneous songs gathered here and there, what may be called the average dialect is used. The songs that form the basis of this work are those that are found among the present-day negroes of the South; in many cases the corresponding song of earlier days is given in order that a better study of the folk-songs may be made and the many points of resemblance noted. In all instances the basis of the chapter is the present-day song, and these should not be confused with those that have already been published. The words of the chorus and refrain are italicized. Further particulars will be pointed out in connection with the several songs.

Perhaps no better beginning can be made towards general classification of the religious songs of the negroes than by introducing some that combine several characteristics, but still have a general theme predominating. Sin is an important factor in the religious life of the negro and his songs refer to it in many forms. The three general tones which pervade the theme are: A note of victory over sin and the conception of it as being in the past or belonging to some other person; the conception of sin as being present and the singer as being in its grasp; and thirdly, the “sinner-man” himself and warnings given him. The very popular song, “All my Sins Done Taken Away” is typical of the first class mentioned above. There is no reason why the stanzas given below should come in the order presented, except that they are heard in this arrangement as much as in any other. The stanzas consist of two rhymed lines with the refrain. These, however, are usually extended to four, the first two and refrain being sung slowly and in a more or less plaintive tone, while the repetition of the same lines with the rhymed line and refrain are rapid and joyous. The common version follows.

I’m goin’ to heaven an’ I don’t want ter stop,
Yes, I’m goin’ to heaven an’ I don’t want ter stop,
All o’ my sins done taken away, taken away;
I’m goin’ to heaven an’ I don’t want ter stop,
An’ I don’t want ter be no stumblin’ block,
All my sins done taken away, taken away.

Instead of repeating the chorus line at the end of the first two lines that are sung, the negroes often vary the song by repeating the last half of the line, as in the following stanza:

Well “M” for Mary, an’ “P” for Paul,
Well “M” for Mary, an’ “P” for Paul,
An’ “P” for Paul;
Well “M” for Mary an’ “P” for Paul.
“C” for Chris’ who died for us all,
All o’ my sins done taken away, taken away.

The chorus is again varied from “all my sins” to “all o’ my sins” or “all of my sins,” “done taken away,” or “bin taken away,” while the entire line is sometimes changed in a single stanza. Sometimes it is sung as given above; at other times the line goes: “All my sins done taken away, bin’ taken away,” or omitting either “done” or “bin” it is sung equally well as “All my sins taken away, taken away,” while in the grand chorus at the climax of song the chorus goes:

Yes all o’ my sins bin taken away,
Yes all my sins done taken away,

Yes all o’ my sins bin taken away,
Yes all my sins done taken away,
Glory, glory to His name-e,
All my sins done taken away, taken away.

This last chorus may be repeated whenever the singers do not think of words to fit in with the songs, although this is rarely necessary. The following stanzas are sung in the same manner as those just given.

If I had er died when I wus young,
I never would a had dis rist to run,
All o’ my sins done taken away, taken away.

Well you oughter bin dere to see de sight,
The peoples come runnin’ both cullud an’ white.

My feet got wet in de midnight dew,
An’ de mornin’ star was a witness, too.

If you doan b’leave I bin redeem,
Jes follow me down to Jordan stream.

When a sinner see me it make him laugh,
Thank God-a-mighty, I’m free at las’.

Mary wept an’ Martha mourned,
Mary wept all ’round the throne.

Mary wept an’ Martha mourned,
All because deir brother done daid an’ gone.

Mary wept an’ Martha cried,
All ’cause dey brother done gone an’ died.

I’m goin’ to ride on de mornin’ train,
All don’t see me goin’ ter hear me sing.

I’m gwine to heaven on eagle’s wing,
All don’t see me goin’ ter hear me sing.

My mother’s sick an’ my father’s daid,
Got nowhere to lay my weary head.

I went down in de valley to pray,
My soul got happy an’ I stayed all day.

A number of other versions are common. Instead of “Mary wept all ’round the throne” is sung “all ’round God’s hebbenly throne.” Instead of the morning star as a witness the old songs have it “angels witness too.” Instead of in the valley, the old songs also had “on de mountain” and also inserted “I didn’t go dere to stay.” This version is sung in some of the songs still."...

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTES
White American folklorist Howard W. Odum describes "All My Sins Done Taken Away" as a "very popular song". Judging from my personal experiences as an African American and judging from the scarcity of examples of this song on YouTube, "All My Sins Done Taken Away" (or religious songs with very close titles) is no longer a popular song, and hasn't been popular for some time.

To date (May 14, 2015), here's a complete list of the description by race of persons on YouTube who sing "All My Sins Been Taken Away" or "All My Sins Are Taken Away":
an African American vocal group (sound file)
a (Black) Jamaican Gospel singer (sound file)
a White American vocal group (sound file)
an integrated American choral group (video)
an Asian choral group (two video)

[All of these examples are featured on Part II of this series (with one video example of the Asian group's rendition and one link to that group's rendition of this song.]

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The racial referent "Negro" has been retired since the mid to late 1960s. The custom of spelling "Negro" with a small "n" was retired even before that time. The appropriate referent for this population is African American (with capital "a"s) and/or "Black" (with either capital "b" or lower case "b").

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African Americans usually use the word "verse" instead of the word "stanza".

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The dialectic word “gwine” is no longer used in African American Vernacular English. That word has been replaced by the word "gonna". Some African Americans may still use the word "done" as in "done taken away" to convey some action that happened a while ago - "My sins done taken away" means "My sins have been taken away (removed) for a while ago (some time ago). In my opinion, neither of the adapted titles "My Sins Been Taken Away" (My sins [have] been taken away) and "My Sins Are Taken Away" fully convey the meaning of that earlier title. I prefer the title "My Sins Have Been Are Taken Away".

The words "de" (the) and "dem" (them") are still used in African American and Caribbean American informal speech by those who are code switching (purposely using those words to convey Black heritage), and those who use those words as their primary means of speech. Because of the negative connotations associated with Southern Black dialect, few African Americans use those words in our renditions of African American Spirituals or early Gospel songs. I'd recommend not using "de", "dem", "gwine", "done" or other such dialectic words in renditions of Spirituals and early Black Gospel songs.

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Here are standard English equivalents for the Black dialect words/spellings found in this excerpt of Howard W. Odum's 1912 excerpt:
"an' = and
bin = been (have been)
"cullud" = Colored [Colored people]
"de" = the
"daid" = dead
"dere" = there
"dey" - their
"dis" = this
"doan" = don't
"done" = have been [action that occurred a while ago]
had er' = haven't
las' = last
"rist" = race
"ter" = to
"wus" = was

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The tune for "All My Sins Done Taken Away" (as performed in the examples featured in Part II of this series) is the same as or similar to the tune of "Ain't Gonna Grieve My Lord, No More" ("Oh, You'll Never Get To Heaven").

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While the song "All My Sins Done Taken Away" doesn't appear to be well known now among African Americans, two verses from that song which were included in Howard Odum's 1909 dissertation are often found in other Spirituals that are still popular among that population. Those "floating verses" are:

"If you doan b’leave I bin redeem,
Jes follow me down to Jordan stream."

Contemporary English:
If you don't believe I've been redeemed
Just follow me down to Jordan's stream

"I went down in de valley to pray,
My soul got happy an’ I stayed all day."

Contemporary English:
I went way down to the valley for to pray
My soul got happy and I stayed all day]


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THE SPIRITUAL "ALL MY SINS DONE TAKEN AWAY" & AND THE SPIRITUAL "HAND ME DOWN MY SILVER TRUMPET"
A good case can be made that the song "Hand Me Down My Walking Cane" comes from the Spiritual "Hand Me Down My Silver Trumpet". That Spiritual contains the line "all my sins done taken away" (or similar words).

Here are quotes from http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=37822 Origin: Hand Me Down My Walking Cane
From: GUEST,jmrnky
Date: 15 Aug 01 - 03:05 PM
"Do any of you know the origin of "Hand Me Down My Walking Cane" I have one source that says it was written by James A. Bland of "Golden Slippers" fame. However, that was the only one."

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From: Mysha
Date: 15 Aug 14 - 07:39 PM

...Black past has it James A. Bland, 1880.


Sources given for the page are:
- David Ewen, Great Men of American Popular Song (Englewood Cliffs: Prentice-Hall, 1972);
- Rayford Logan and Michael R. Winston, eds., Dictionary of American Negro Biography (New York: W.W. Norton, 1982);
- Eileen Southern, The Music of Black Americans: A History (New York: W.W. Norton, 1997).
It might be a bit of work to trace that year in them, though."
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http://www.blackpast.org/ is described as The Online Reference Guide to African American History; This 13,000 page reference center is dedicated to providing information to the general public on African American history and on the history of the more than one billion people of African ancestry around the world."

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masato sakurai
Date: 17 Aug 01 - 12:39 PM
"The Great Song Thesaurus (Oxford UP) has an entry "(Oh) Hand Me Down My Walking Cane," and it says:
1865 w.m. traditional black American spiritual
Was it? What was the evidence? Erskine Peters' Lyrics of the Afro-American Spiritual (Greenwood) contains a seemingly related one:
Hand me down my silver trumpet, Gabriel,
Hand it down;
Hand me down my silver trumpet, Gabriel,
Hand me down
Hand me down my silver trumpet,
Hand me down my silver trumpet,
All my sins been washed away. (Traditional)

Well, this version looks like a spiritual. But the collection (without melody) doesn't give the date or place it collected. According to Index to Negro Spirituals (Cleveland Public Library), "Hand Me Down" (this short title) is located in Utica Jubilee Singers Spirituals (1930), which I have not seen. There is no mention of "Hand Me Down My Walking Cane" in Blues and Gospel Records 1890-1943 (Oxford UP); the titles of 10 recordings are "Hand Me Down the Silver Trumpet," "Hand Me Down the Trumpet Gabriel," "Hand Me Down the Silver Trumpet Gabriel," "Hand Me Down My Silver Trumpet, Gabriel," "Hand Me the Silver Trumpet," and "Hand Me Down" (and "Hand Me Down My Old Suitcase").

Surely, this version of "Hand Me Down My Walking Cane" (so the title goes) has the silver trumpet" line, so these two song families are related; at least they were intermingled somewhere. But, up to now, I cannot confirm the thesaurus.

The Lester S. Levy Collection of Sheet Music has HAND ME DOWN DEM GOLDEN SHOES (Composer, Lyricist, Arranger: By Jacob J. Sawyer. Publication: Boston: W.A. Evans, 1883). The Library of Congress has two items of this song (this and this ). My guess (without any evidence)is, this was mistaken for James Bland's "Dem Golden Slippers." "
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Pancocojams editor: The hyperlinks that were given as “this and this” in that 2001 comment now lead to a website page that has nothing to do with any song.

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From: Q
Date: 16 Aug 14 - 12:47 PM
"Was Bland first, or was its origin in spirituals like "All My Sins Done Taken Away"?
See St. Helena Island Spirituals Permathread, 130500

Bland was a member of the first all black minstrel group in the 1870s, the Georgia Minstrels. He heard spirituals from ex-slaves working on the Howard campus."

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