Comments About South African Singer Tyla's Interview On The Breakfast Club, Radio Show July 2024 (with a focus on Charlamagne's "Coloured" Question)

 

Tyla Speaks On Breaking In America, Dance Inspiration, Kai Cenat + More

Breakfast Club Power 105.1 FM, Jun 13, 2024 ]

" The Breakfast Club features celebrity interviews, Jess Hilarious' "Jess With The Mess", Charlamagne tha God’s "Donkey of the Day", DJ Envy’s mixes and so much more! Every guest visiting the world’s most dangerous morning show is grilled with their signature blend of honesty and humor. The results are the best interviews to be found on radio.

AI-generated video summary:

Tyla joins The Breakfast Club for a candid conversation about breaking into the American music scene. The interview delves into their musical journey, influences, and navigating the challenges of international stardom. Expect insightful discussion on the South African music scene and cultural identity."

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post showcases a YouTube video of South African singer Tyla's July 2024 interview on The Breakfsst Club radio show. 

This post also showcases a YouTube video of one of The Breakfast Club hosts (Jess Hilarious) commenting that following day on the clip of that interview that went viral- when Charlamagne tha God asked Tyla to explain the meaning of her Coloured identity in South Africa and Tyla's manager interjected that Tyla wouldn't answer that question. The auto-generated transcript of that particular clip of that video is included in this post along with Jess Hilarious' comments about that clip and its aftermath.

In addition, this pancocojams post presents some comments from two discussion threads about Tyla's Breakfast Club interview with a focus on the question that Charlamagne tha God asked about Tyla's identity as a South African Coloured.

The content of this post is presented for historical and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks Tyla for her music and her role modeling. Thanks also to the hosts of The Breakfast Club and   thanks to all those who are quoted in this pancocojams post.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/03/some-discussion-thread-comments-from.html and https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/03/is-coloured-race-or-culture-in-southern.html for two 2026 pancocojams posts about southern Africans' comments about being Coloured and whether Coloured is a race or a culture or both.

Tyla is mentioned in several different comments that are included in those pancocojams posts. 

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE #1- THIS POST FOCUSES ON TYLA NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION ON THE BREAKFAST CLUB SHOW SBOUT HER COLOURED IDENTITY
On March 12, 2026 I published a pancocojams post on the subject of Tyla's July 2024 Breakfast Club interview, but inadvertently deleted it.

This post contains some of the same content and some different content from that was originally published pancocojams post. As is the case with this post, the original pancocojams post focused on Tyla not answering the question that Charlamagne tha god asked her about her Coloured identity as well as various YouTube discussion thread commenters' responses to the subject of South African Coloured identity.

However, prior to publishing another pancocojams post on that subject, I published a two part series whose links are given above about South Africans' comments about being identified as Coloured and/or whether "Coloured" is a race or a culture. I believe that in oder to better understand that subject it's important for people who aren't from southern Africa to read, hear, and learn about southern Africans r experiences, perspectives, and opinions regarding the Coloured referent as it has been used in their nations. 

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE #2
Some YouTube commenters who are quoted in this pancocojams post indicate or allude to Tyla's not answering the breakfast club question about her Coloured South African identity was an example of or (further) "proof" that  she "rejects her blackness" or she doesn't not fully "acknowledge" her blackness". And as a result of those beliefs, these YouTube comments and many other YouTube comments suggest that  a number of  Black Americans believe that that Breakfast Club interview damaged Tyla's stardom and are happy about as they no longer care about that singer.

This pancocjams josts doesn't explore other possible reasons that have been cited or alluded to about why some Black Americans may be "hating on" Tyla. Two of those reasons are 

1.that Tyla is a tether (a Black person who emigrated to the United States and profits from the struggles and accomplishments of native born Black people who have at least one ancestor who was enslaved in the United Sates 

This position appears to be particularly held by many if not all the Black Americans who identify themselves as "FBA" (Foundational Black Americans) or who otherwise expose FBA positions. 

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/10/what-word-tether-means-to-foundational.html for the 2024 pancocojams post "What The Word "Tether" Means To Foundational Black Americans (FBAs)."

2. that Tyla is a singer who is an"industry plant" ("factory plant"), meaning an artist who suddenly rises to fame and receives awards over more deserving artists because of industry backing, Tyla not answering the question on The Breakfast Club about her South African Coloured identity and her manager/publicist who sat behind her voicing that Tyla wouldn't answer tha question further fueled this view that Tyla is a  "factor plant" as has the subsequent artist awards that she has received since that Breakfast Club interview..

There are a number of online social media posts/comments and YouTube videos on this subject including the April 2024 YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMAhRv8OhnQ "The Suspicious Rise of Tyla (Industry Plant?)" and https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopnoir/comments/1dc1jz6/comment/l7uv42i/ "Am I the only one feeling this way about Tyla? [2024 discussion threqd in the kpopnoir reddit group."

Several comments in this pancocojams compilation allude to or specifically express sentiments positions that reflect one or both of these positions or theories. However, this theory isn't the focust of this pancocojams post.

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INFORMATION ABOUT TYLA
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyla
"Tyla Laura Seethal, mononymously known as Tyla, (30 January 2002)[4] is a South African singer and songwriter. Her musical style is characterised by a fusion of pop and amapiano...

Tyla Laura Seethal[5] was born in Edenvale on Gauteng's East Rand.[6][7] The daughter of Sharleen and Sherwin Seethal,[8] she is Coloured and has Indian, Indo-Mauritian, Zulu, and Irish ancestry.[9][10][11] She grew up in Johannesburg,[1".
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SHOWCASE VIDEO #2 - Tyla Clears The Air After Dodging 'Colourism' Question On The Breakfast Club

Breakfast Club Power 105.1 FM, Jun 14, 2024 [host Jess Hilarious = Jess With The Mess]

"The Breakfast Club features celebrity interviews, Jess Hilarious' "Jess With The Mess", Charlamagne tha God’s "Donkey of the Day", DJ Envy’s mixes and so much more! Every guest visiting the world’s most dangerous morning show is grilled with their signature blend of honesty and humor. The results are the best interviews to be found on radio.

#Breakfast Club

AI-generated video summary

Tyla clarifies previous interview comments on The Breakfast Club. The discussion centers on a question about identity and race, initially unanswered due to team restrictions. This leads to a frank conversation about the complexities of racial classification across different regions."

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EXCERPT OF THE AUTO-GENERATED TRANSCRIPT OF THIS VIDEO

Pancocojams Editor: This transcription includes my punctuation additions, and spelling corrections including the word "coloured" which is given as "colored" in that auto-transcript.  I also added the name in brackets of who is speaking those particular words given in this transcript.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE-dQDrjjow

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[Jess Hilarious] "The Breakfast Club ...time to set it it all all right...So Tyla addresses her voloured identity.

Uh yesterday we had an interview with South African Superstar Tyla. During the interview Charlamagne asked a question that her team didn't allow her to answer. We have the audio:

[Charlamagne] "...School me on these debates that they be having about your identity as a South African coloured person...What is that even mean? Can we ...

[Pancocojams Editor: Tyla looks back at her manager or publicist who interjects that Tyla wouldn't be answering that question.]

{Charlamagne]  I like that.We keeping that in the interview too. Shut up!  I like when they talk from the back and say we can't... I like that.  I like that. That's good... That's even better. Yeah.

[Jess Hilarious]Wow that clip started to go viral.

Shortly after we add the interview um Tyla eventually decided to clear the air and shared a post to our Instagram story. And she said "Yo guys [I] never [put down] my blackness. I don't know where that came from.  I'm mixed with black. Zulu .Irish. Jamaican,  Indian, and coloured.  in South Africa I would be classified as a colored woman.  In other places I will be classified as a black woman. Race is classified differently in different parts of the world."

[Jess Hilarious]  I do agree with that she also said "I don't expect to be identified as coloured outside of South Africa by anyone not comfortable doing so because I understand the weight of that word outside of South Africa. But to close this conversation, I'm both colored in South Africa and a black woman."

[Jess Hilarious] Yeah people were upset with you know uh the questioning and and the fact that she didn't answer. But yeah like I tell everybody the questions that we ask are from things that are out there. She did an interview a couple of years ago and people were asking about it and asking about it. So, of course, when she came up here we had to ask her about it.

Now I don't understand why she didn't answer that in the interview. That was confusing .Like, why just not say that? And you doing press. You know what I'm saying. 

So like her label or manager or whoever you know just got to get her training. Because it's different ways to pivot from what you don't want to answer correct um ...you know.. instead of just looking at somebody or having somebody come from...

Cuz remember when Charlamagne did "Dunk you today" for the dude on CNN? Like. yo, like you had
somebody wave you down in an interview...Right to be like "Yo. No we ain't talking about that."

Then yeah. But it's it's pressed. Like you said you [a] Superstar. Yes, you know what they're going to ask you. You know they're going to ask you some questions about your album. But you know they're
going to ask you about the BS too. And you got be able to answer those questions as well.

Yeah.So to come with like a whole list like of 9 or 10 things that we can't talk about when that's really all like a lot of majority of people were... like really!?.No .Exactly.That was a little crazy.

But.. um ..yeah I would have.. you know.. preferred that she said that.[what she sent to our Instagram story]. But just a little media training [will] get her right.  She be all righ"

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SELECTED COMMENTS ABOUT TYLA'S JUNE 13, 2024 INTERVIEW ON THE BREAKFAST CLUB (with a focus on the question about her identifying as South African Coloured)

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[This is the discussion thread for the video that is embedded at the top of this pancocojams post.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFDZufXTXnU

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1. @danyagoosen6792
"I get why Tyla's team tried to avoid that question but as a coloured women from Cape Town South Africa I'm extremely disappointed that we have to shy away from "that question" when you in the west. We know the history of the word "colored' in the US but there is a world outside of the US and we need to educate those that dont know. I would love for the Breakfast Club to have this discussion."

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2. @Liahb
"As an African American I definitely would love to understand! You’re right!"

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3. @natashaweale
"I'm from Zimbabwe and I'm coloured and we are so proud that Tyla has shown the world that we exist ​ @Liahb we have a  history of our own"

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4. @wildearth3992
"@Liahb colored = multigenerational mixed like creole for example like Beyoncé mama or Steph curry"

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5. @razatiger22
"@wildearth3992  Yeah but Beyonce and Steph know what their roots are, they were both raised black. The question is deeper then just skin color which is why they ask, They know Tyla is mixed/Colored, they wanna know how she was raised."

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6. @user-ok5ez1ls1k
"@razatiger22  How she was raised? She was raised in South Africa, where there are completely different racial categories. Most black Americans will only be happy if she says she is black. But then South Africans will call bullsh-t* because there, she is not considered black, she is colored. Best to ignore the topic."
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7. @UNI-23
"@razatiger22 Beyoncé researches the areas she travels to and learns about the people there, out of respect for their customs, traditions, cultures, religions, laws, and history. This is a learning experience when in other areas."

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8. @lauren578
"@wildearth3992 Beyonce's mother is not mixed lol"

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9. @Ambassador2theworld
"@wildearth3992 No, that is not accurate. Coloured is a whole separate race in S. Africa. They are neither White nor Black."

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10. @see3deezz, 2025
"@wildearth3992 now why is that crazy or such a crazy thing to explain?"

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11. @KaylaPaige-v1r
"@Liahb  hi, coloured people in south africa is more than a ethic group mixed people have been put in to be identified, it's a culture for example my mum is coloured and mixed for generations and coloured people have their own culture as to Trevor Noah for example is mixed race because his mum is black and his dad is white so he would have black culture and Swiss culture does that make any sense? We even have our own language which is Afrikaans, our own food, the way we raise our kids etc."

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12. @BSTVsports, 2025
"@KaylaPaige-v1r we don’t care… this is America pal. Why didn’t the colored people in SA buy her album? It’s an entire culture"

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13. @bevchepape1787
"Correct this was a perfect opportunity for Her to educate the masses … for me it was a simple question to answer"

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14. @Miz292
"​@bevchepape1787 it's not a simple question to answer because Americans want her answer in a way that's platable to them on "their American platform" her explanation wouldn't be sufficient. Damned if you do damned if you don't. Leave her alone."

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15. @robertastokes9533
"@Miz292  Agree🤲🏾✨"

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16. @indumiso1
"What I love about this interview is that it shows how much Tyla is in tune with her body and that her barriers or boundaries are intact. She seemingly didn’t feel comfortable, so she held back but still kept classy. She didn’t compromise her privacy and boundaries to appease the hosts, or compromise her boundaries to get more likes, clicks, or public approval. A feminine Queen. We love you, mamas. ❤️"

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17. @gmvs62
"You think this is about privacy and not her business and money? Damn youre gullible."

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18. @indumiso1
"@gmvs62 who said I thought it wasn’t about business and money??? Why do you assume business, money, and privacy are mutually exclusive? And so what if it’s about business and money?"

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19. @sammiejo6557
"@indumiso1 that part! One of the same to me…"

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20. @GraceAndBlessings1906
"As a South African so proud of Tyla praying all the best for her may she continue to grow."

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21. @EnterGalactica
"Tyla handled this EXTREMELY UNPROFESSIONAL interview very well. Starting an interview off making your guest unnecessarily uncomfortable, and THEN not even asking any questions of true substance, just shows that they didn’t do ANY research on Tyla and just thought she was going to be another dumb, pretty, spineless pop girl… but she’s not.

And kudos to you Tyla. These ignorant spaces aren’t your demographic, AND THATS OK! You live and you learn. The Breakfast Club will hate themselves later for how they handled this interview, especially when Tyla refuses to ever come back."

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22. @DreDon-rs8ne, 2025
"As an Artist you have to have a hard shell and be able to carry yourself in interviews not dodging every question . This was a surface level interview"

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23. @adrianarnold1239, 2025
"She thinks that she runs stuff and they had to show her. Just like everybody. You got to be ready. You got to be ready. It's more than just singing baby"

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24. @ninacleveland, 2025
"Most everybody been on the Breakfast Club. And you sound different if you think for one moment these men are not educated on their craft and want they do for a living. If she don't come back the world won't stop."

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25. @jasmineroussell4441
"A lot of big artists don’t do this show"

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26. @charlesmarcus7864, 2025
"And yet you watched it and you’ll watch more so what are you crying about"

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27. @Mrslay-cc5nd, 2025
"That's y her album flop...dodging the hard questions..".

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28.@Skyy301
"@charlie4006  why? Possibly a difficult question.. sure, but a valid one. Fans and people in general have asked the same thing, so she could have easily just explained what coloured means in south African culture. I didn't think it was that serious"

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29. @charlie4006
"@Skyy301  Tyla is a new artist. To understand the racial hierarchy and structure in S. Africa, you have to learn its history and sociology. S. Africa has a unique and complicated history. Getting into conversations about race, racial identity, and politics is not the best conversation  for Tyla right now. She's trying to get her career moving. Maybe down  the road, she can explain it."

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30. @Skyy301
"@charlie4006  that's fair"

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31. @limofootball
"She's not American. Stop asking her to identify as a race in an american context. It just doesn't apply. Get over yourselves already. Not everything is about you."

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32. @bryanle2994
"Tyla did an amazing job at handling the questions and gossip in this interview. Very professional but light with her humor and expression. Even the  nod to her label to address the question was a smart choice."

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33. @user-ok5ez1ls1k
"We do not need to have Tyla as the spokesperson for this topic. Let her get her career shaking. She barely started. One mistake talking about race and she’s canceled. Let’s let the professors and the race debaters deal with that. Maybe when she has a more solid career, she can discuss it on the correct platform. But a rookie interview at 22 years old after just broken into the global music scene is really not the time."

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34. @jlawrencewat
"She’ll be a clip now, lol. Tyla needs better media training but i’m happy the publicist was there."

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35.  @jgj5369
"Whew … the publicist interjection"

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36. @charlie4006
"I'm glad she interjected"

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37. @Chuwks999, 2025
"Her team failed her by tryna tell Char what he can't say"

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38. @TheeChanel1212
"Ppl saying she’s uptight but can’t see thru Charla’s messy questions is crazy to me 😂.. she was so good at picking up the vibes, curved all of his antics, and consistently brought the focus back to the culture and positivity. Take notes!"

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39. @critiquekid200
"Tyla isn't black. Stop making her to be one. Let Tyla be herself."

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40. @SPADELE, 2026
"@critiquekid200, the thing is ppl just hold on to "black" like it's their whole identity even though race is not even scientific, i don't want to say African American and generalize but most that criticize tyla don't understand being black is different around the world, she is colored not black in south Africa and her identity stays with her where ever she goes and they just can't accept that fact.

Basically it's like wanting someone to change their name when they come to your country because ur culture doesn't align with their names".

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41. @RosalíaLR
"@limofootball  he didn’t tell her to. He simply asked can you explain the coloured race/hisorty. He wasn’t forcing her to fit in a category. Would have been a great moment to verbally state and be proud of the coulored community in SA"

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42. @LethalLeslie1
"@RosalíaLR  that was the debate he was bringing up, she aint interested in all the race politics"

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43. @LethalLeslie1
"@RosalíaLR  first of its a debate because people are debating it flat out. we dont get to decide what people debate on. Its to Tylas annoyance that its become a big debate. 

and secondly both sides agreed to the terms of the interview or it wouldnt of happened. its good business for both sides obs but she doesn't wanna be involved in the race side of it and I rate that. Its about the talent not the shade of her skin.

I do agree tho that she would of been fine to back her stance on her own race 'coloured' being the part triggering people but clearly she just cba with that being her shtick"

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44. @RosalíaLR
"@limofootball  this isn’t just an American concept. In the carribean people of mixed decent many times identify as black. Take Bon Marley for example.. he was mixed indeigenius West Indian, black , and half white. He was born and raised in Jamaica and I never hear carribean referring to him as anything other than black. I’m tired of the narrative that it’s only black Americans that have this viewpoint in being mixed and black. It’s most of the world"

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45. @samkelomthiyane8359
"We Love you Tyla. We’re super proud of you sweetie🇿🇦❤️"

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46.@Girlsoulaan
"She was not ready for this type of interview…….like not everyone can be interviewed by them."

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47. @VirgosGroove3
"I think because she’s young and not from America so some of the jokes weren’t landing right."

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48. @AssiduousHFTT
"@VirgosGroove3 I'm from America and saw no jokes but cringe"

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49. @yaisaadcock9269
"This! ☝️ He was lowkey picking on her"

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50. @vonamel_music
"She handled herself well"

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51. @CharChar-U
"LOLLLL He said he knows South Africa, but he needs someone to explain to him what Coloured means 🤣🤣🤣. YHO! I'm dead."

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52. @itsthehumor95
"You do realize that they ask for the sake of the audience, right?"

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53. @SparkleInYourEyes2024
"He was being messy."

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54. @vallivergano239
"Right? Like he mentioned Trevor in the beginning and the book Born a Crime, so you'd think he'd have known? Weird"

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55. @adenphilipwhite
"So I'm African American born in NYC what is Africa's meaning of coulored"

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56. @aureliusleslie173
"Im absolutely here to see the lesson that was to be.😂😂😂"

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57.  @Kaydestiny_
"@aureliusleslie173 that’s what I came here for. I had never seen this interview until they started talking about her EP and her stating that she’s not black on TikTok.😭"

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SOURCE #2

Tyla’s AWKWARD Encounter With Charlamagne😳 

https://youtube.com/shorts/d-ro2m4BnpA?si=7D-ZW  @GalvaniseGlobal,
January 28, 2025@GalvaniseGlobal

[This is a YouTube video short of Charlamagne Tha God asking Tyla about her identifying as Coloured in South Africa and Tyla turning to her manager/publicist who indicated that Tyla wouldn't be answering that question. ] 

COMMENTS:  

2025

1. @PierreStGermain
"I don’t have any problem with Charlemagne asking her that question. She said that she was not black, what is wrong with asking her to explain that?"

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2. @seekinghimdaily92, 2026
"There was NOTHING wrong with that question…this moment was not a good look for her. 🤦🏾‍♀️"

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3. 1@kinglord7707
"And just like that, Tylas career is destroyed 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣"

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4. @deerhian
"Knowing how Tyla was being attacked by Americans the last time she tried to explain her ethnicity, this man was trying to be messy and to start drama. Tyla was very smart to keep quiet"

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5. @lucindacoleman646
"There goes her career."

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6. @JellieJoShmo, 2026
"It's not going anywhere. Black Americans aren't the center of the world. She has fans around the world that aren't triggered by the word "colored" & don't expect people to change their speech for them specifically.

It's not her job to educate him. He has access to the internet tf lol"

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7. @gregorylevi1826
"That's his job to ask rough questions. If I was her handler I wouldn't have chosen this show to go on."

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8.@TherealBabayega
"Don’t come from other countries saying you black when you get here"

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9. @kaylinmarston2679
"@TherealBabayega  that's the gag, she never claimed to be black😅"

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10. @TherealBabayega
"@kaylinmarston2679  yes she did"

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11. @kaylinmarston2679
"@TherealBabayega  when? Where? 😐 Please show me so I can understand where all the hate for this girl is coming from"

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12. @keriBeeLow
"@TherealBabayega She never did dear that's why this interview is happening in the first place, it's coz they want to force her to be black when she's not though. In SA where I stay no black person is mixed race. Mixed races are coloured and they accept themselves that way can you accept her reality as being different from yourself please it's not even about you Americans the poor girl is forced to accept what she's not."

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13. @stardustshowing
"This wasn't a smart choice at all"

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14. @GoGetYourShinebox
"She did what her handlers told her to do 😂"

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15. @biinygieta2664
"It’s stupid why would you say you are colored instead of saying you are mixed race 😂 when you are asked are you black say you are mixed and not colored that’s an insult and plus blacks have you their platform to even win that award came from them. They let you win award over Davido and the rest which you are not even doing any better than them any way you just stole your way up there because of black Americans. I heard her song once in Ghana 🇬🇭 when I went to the club but I hear Davido’s song everywhere"

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16. @btgang4463, 2026
" @TherealBabayega now m confused they hate her because she said she's coloured or that she's black now m definitely confused ya'll be saying different sh-t*"
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17. @KaylaT-v5c
"Lmaoooo that’s why her career damn near over now"

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18. @Saintsrow1824
"Damn near over where? America isn’t the entire world"

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19. @francinahletsoalo2697, 2026
"I'm here after 4 months and her career hasn't flopped"

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20. @MsYellow83
"He wasn't wrong. It's a simple question"

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21. @gregorylevi1826
"Exactly. She's having A hard time with that it's only going to get harder."

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22. @Prettypinkink
"His wrong because knowing how much controversy it's going to cause , because like why does she need to explain her race as a South African coloured person , in south African that is an actual race , it's the same as black and white and indian"

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23. @gregorylevi1826
"@Prettypinkink   no it's not the same in  U.S.A."

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24. @Prettypinkink
"@gregorylevi1826   that's understandable , it's not like she called anyone who is from the U.S coloured she is calling herself coloured because that's where she has from . I can understand if she called an American coloured , that is offensive then again she identified herself as coloured"

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25. @richlisola1
"@gregorylevi1826  It’s the same in the sense, as it’s an official category in SA
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Just as the US has categories"
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26. @marabsky
"@Prettypinkink and she never would call an American coloured because unless they were a person from the Southern Africa coloured community who immigrated to the united states they would not be what is termed coloured in South Africa, Namibia, Zimbabwe and Zambia. It’s a community and a culture defined by a shared culture and history, NOT by colour."

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27. @gregorylevi1826
"@richlisola1  okay but she's not in South Africa anymore. She's in U.S.A. which as you stated has it's own category. When In Rome Act Like The Romans."

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28.@bfrancois37
"He was asking to be educated... I don't see anything wrong with that."

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29. @nolubynature9513
"Exactly"

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30. @AshleighDanburry
"He spoke to Trevor Noah... he knows"

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31. @nanciatnyte
" @AshleighDanburry so do you think he interviews for his OWN personal benefit or for the public/his audience😅"

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32. @xayytoldemm
" @nanciatnyte Her team specifically asked CTG not to bring this up, he went against their wishes and he knew exactly what he was doing"

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33. @keriBeeLow
"Child i think we both know there was no education intended here, with his tone he was looking for a fight and im glad she didn't fall for his trap. Its obvious that this question was not included in the preparations of the interview. She was targeted here and he wanted to humiliate her."

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34. @drye1972
"@keriBeeLow I kept hearing about this interview because I don’t know the full story behind her response. Now that I have seen this. I hate I cant get my 2 seconds of life bike waisted on this MESS. Tyla did nothing wrong. She followed the instructions of her manager, and now US!!!! Black Americans, seems mostly the ones that don’t want to be considered African are crucifying this young artist. All I will say is, the ones that wanted to prove their point, proved it. She feels the rejection, but the sad part is, she is only rejected here."

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35. @fosev47, 2026
"@drye1972 it wasn't a hard question she not from here and have a different experience it's not his fault they can't explain what she is 😂😂😂"

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36. @nanciatnyte
"@keriBeeLow  so no one bought her music bc of Charlemagne?"

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37. @xayytoldemm
"@nanciatnyte no one bought it because there was no promotion and tbf who even buys albums anymore"

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38. @TheHasa13
"@keriBeeLow lol ok so no one can get asked anything in an interview that they werent prepared for anymore. Might as well give them each two scripts and be a play, not an interview."

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39. @CJMedia101, 2026
"@TheHasa13  the whole point of the interview had nothing to do with his questions so you just sound ignorant if you're gonna pretend to know how an interview works😅"

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40. @dorothyterry6754
"@keriBeeLow She should have known what kind of show he ran and came prepared."

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41. @d.a.o.5684, 2026
"Thank you  @keriBeeLow . SA and the race definitions exist for sooo long. Just like the race types of black, white, other

 Hispanic and so on in the US. all the categories sound strange if you don't use them yourself.

In Germany the term race itself is racist"

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42. @rtut8169
"Agreed! But it's so MANY ppl that are ignorant . If she had answered ppl would have found a reason to be mad especially with how Americans are easily triggered when it comes to race. Americans r racist but what's woese is black Americans are racist to their on ppl; they have a race war within their on race. There really was no right answer. No matter what she said ppl would have been trying to cancel her."

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43. @quay91white70, 2026
"@rtut8169  i agree but us black Americans are very understanding we just tired of people coming here disrespecting us everything is not about foreigners either but we live in America they love these immigrants black Americans get nothing compared to them so I see why they call us lazy because they get government help."

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44. @Jay-v4l2m, 2026
"@rtut8169 You literally have no idea what you're talking about."

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45. @rtut8169, 2026
"@Jay-v4l2m  Obviously I wrote it. So I understand my comment clearly. Just because you do not understand what I'm talking about does not mean I don't know what I'm talking about. 🤔🤷🏽‍"♀

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46.@Val0riex_
"That is where you got it wrong. it's NOT a simple question, and as a South African I know that. That question stems back to apartheid and honestly for people to sit here and think it's ok to demand answers from HER when you can properly educate yourself with available sources goes to show that it was never about learning about tylas culture, but projecting your own onto her."

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47. @BigReen11
"This is so weird of Tyla to do it’s like she’s a puppet…"

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48. @yungSal1217
"She didn’t even begin to think to answer that our own she went directly to her agency… and that’s exactly why her Album only sold 4000 copies over😂😂😂 crazy, beautiful but poor judgment when it comes to public relations, will it be her decision or her agency?"

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49. @quamb
"He's stirring sh-t * up for views and clips like this. Her identity and history is her own business."
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50. @Stephon_Lamont, 2026
"And she wasn’t wrong either…

no one is obligated to explain themselves to the public. Choosing not to respond is also a valid choice. She had the right to answer how she wanted or not at all and that doesn’t mean she did anything wrong."

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51. @definiteg4909
"She should have answered that question and fired her PR team😑"

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52. @Silencer242
"Yep, but they did give him a list of things not to ask her but he asked anyway, she did in some other interview or probably even when she originally made the colorism statement, explain that that is what mixed raced people were identified in her country and if I'm correct she was in Africa when she made this post that people dug up and got offended by, so when she was signed after and came to the US this is what she faced trying not to get into a debate about it."

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53. @kingsaw5282, 2026
"Chat GPT would clear it up in 10 seconds."

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54. @xayytoldemm
"@dorothyterry6754 her team asked CTG not to bring this in interview tho, he did it anyways"

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55. @quay91white70
"@xayytoldemm  this interview always ask questions two times or it doesn't matter if you like it or not"

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56. @dorothyterry6754
"@saintkayleepain There are NO off limits questions in an interview! The person being interviewed has to prepare how they are going to answer!"

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57. @calvin394
"@OriginalCyprian Explained to who? When? Where?  America is a large country with many regions.  Does everyone hear the same answer at the same time?  Of course not.  She must be prepared to answer all questions as any professional would be.  Its not hard."

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58. @cairo1077
"@OriginalCyprian yea he pretty much baited her in that and tanked her career before it even started"

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59. @vincentdouglas744
"She could have answered it but didn't want to jeopardize sales and her relationship with the government in SA"

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60. @anthonylaloggia112
"No he tf wasn’t, Charlemagne is the ultimate troll, he knew what he was doing and why he was doing it 😂"

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61. @ahmeerlevi2649
"He was not he hit the hornets nest. She is from a different country culture and identity not of her own creation."

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62. @MoeratR123
"No, he has MANY friends in South Africa. He is very well aware and knowledgeable on what it means to be colored in South Africa. Here's the thing... He's friends with MacG, a South African podcaster who HATES Tyla, so his motives and intentions were not pure at all. Also, let's say he didn't know (hypothetically), for the sake of your argument. He's a grown ass man. He had his whole life to live outside his bubble and learn about colored south africans. By your logic, him asking that question shows that he's uneducated then."

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63. @xayytoldemm
"@Louskii5 CTG was asked not to bring this up prior to the interview"

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64. @Louskii5
"@xayytoldemm it’s his job to"

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65. @xayytoldemm
"@Louskii5 all celebrities have a “do not ask” list and he asked anyways even tho he was specifically asked not to prior to this interview

The fact that he brought the topic up is on HIM. If you want to know about her ethnicity so bad, you can look it up. It’s something she’s been very vocal about for a long time"

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66.@MAAT33G
"@xayytoldemm
"We would rather hear it from horse mouth"

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67. @xayytoldemm
"@MAAT33G well good things she’s spoken about it a million times already"

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68.@MrHowse-rt5bo
"@keriBeeLow Well, she need to go “sing” be “a musician” somewhere else, cause we hold our Artists accountable on this side. Y’all allow that; we are NOT the same. If she answered the question “a million times” she should’ve been bold enough to say that, or make it a million and one."

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69. @Theaiprojectisalive
"@OriginalCyprian she could have cleaned it up. This was the perfect opportunity to do just that and she did the opposite. A grown mfer needing permission on how to answer a question about who they are is just crazy"

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70. @dorothyterry6754
"@OriginalCyprian It may be tedious, but professional entertainers, celebrities, athletes and politicians know that repetition is key to getting your word out. Charlemagne's audience may not have heard of any earlier explanations or even know who she was. Don't assume."

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71. @jeremywallace5958
"It’s hard to tell with him. He is a bit messy at times. We all know this too!!!"

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72. @Joliefleur1, 2026
"No he wasn’t. He was instigating."

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73. @shell7133
"You know what?She could have said she A colored person is a person of mixed race. Just like you have here in America biracial people. We call them colored."

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74. @AnAdorableWombat1
"He can google it! He googles everything else.!"

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75. @nanciatnyte
"@AnAdorableWombat1 that’s not how interviews work though"

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76. @calvin394
"@AnAdorableWombat1 Don’t you know he’s asking for a live audience?  That’s his job."

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77. @quay91white70
"All she had to do is answer everybody is except it in America just it a culture for my country we are coloured simple but it's America some y'all don't know history not being messy tyla should know that I thought 🤔 other countries had early and better education system."

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78. @xayytoldemm
"@quay91white70 Tyla does know that. Her answer is rooted in culture and history and it’s more than just “where are you from”. That’s why her team specifically asked him not to bring this up in interview- and he knew what he was doing when he went against their wishes."

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79. @angel-jq5di, 2026
"@quay91white70 she does and she's explained it various times but people never understand"

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80. @luckym5198
"In South Africa, that's  her reality that's her lived experience. That's what she's ever been called and told. However, outside Siuth Africa, she is a black African or mixed race, it's not her choosing to be coloured, the different between her and Trevor, though he is also mixed,  his parents raised him black, he is more in touch with his black side of the family and black culture because he was raised by his black side of the  family,"

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81. @sj340, 2026
"@luckym5198 nope. She was raised coloured, it is an actual cultural group in South Africa, with their own dialect, food culture and general culture. Research the culture of the cape flats, the passion gap, Koesisters, Cape Malay cooking, Kaapse Klopse, District 6 etc. etc. I really wonder what Americans are gonna do when they hear about the Rehobot Bastards. Black in Africa means having your own Language and tribe, like Xhosa, Zulu, Tswana, Shona, Herero, Massai...."

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82. @JellieJoShmo, 2026
"It's not her job to educate him. He has access to the internet tf lol

It's a stupid question. Charlamagne could have LOOKED IT UP lmao that's what professional journalists/interviewers do. And, Tyla isn't an American artist, she's global. She doesn't have to represent herself in a way that feels comfortable or "appropriate" to Black Americans.

The word "colored" has a specific definition in South Africa that can 100% be looked up online. It has a different definition in America, which clearly bothers Charlamagne. He's just lazy. Tyla doesn't need to explain the history of apartheid South Africa to anyone, she's an artist, not a historian or politician."

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83. @LisaSimpsonRules, 2026
"@JellieJoShmo My point is that it looks weird for an adult to look back asking for permission to talk. She could just say: To me this means or In South Africa we call.."

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84. @vintagecherries
"It' was a simple question. She made it ten times worse by not answering"

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85. @terryjoho
"Not having this conversation is why her new EP only sold 3.7k 🤷🏽‍♂️"

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86. @kennygreen1081
"She doesn't realize who buys her stuff"

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87. @28074015781895
"Her non-answer left the answer up to our interpretation and we didn't like what her silence meant"

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88.@kylecruel
"That's the moment when her people failed her. Even if she don't want to answer his question, they at least should have had a response prepared so she didn't make the situation worse."

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89. @okahebuka8647
"He gave her an opportunity to clear the air. Instead she makes it worse"

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90. @JellieJoShmo, 2026
"Nope. Black Americans aren't her only audience. They're the only ones who are triggered by the word "colored."

It's not her job to educate him. He has access to the internet tf lol

Charlamagne could have LOOKED IT UP lmao that's what professional journalists/interviewers do. And, Tyla isn't an American artist, she's global. She doesn't have to represent herself in a way that feels comfortable or "appropriate" to Black Americans.

The word "colored" has a specific definition in South Africa that can 100% be looked up online. It has a different definition in America, which clearly bothers Charlamagne. He's just lazy. Tyla doesn't need to explain the history of apartheid South Africa to anyone, she's an artist, not a historian or politician.

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91. @terryjoho, 2026
"@JellieJoShmo Bruh her career over and been over. Move on 😂"

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92. @HeadCubicleFishInCharge, 2026
"Her global audience says otherwise. There are other countries besides the US."

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93.  @lelo8244, 2026
"You sure about that? This girl is still thriving. Your cancellations unfortunately did not work 😂"

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94. @major7100, 2026
"@lelo8244 😂 Ty just scooped her 2nd grammy, her haters are having a terrible year."

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95. @fracturedsolace145
"I'm here after her album flopped."

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96. @4000Wiggins
"She has 31 million monthly listeners on Spotify alone.  That’s one platform.  I think she’ll be ok."

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97. @gregorylevi1826
"Unfortunately her not wanting to talk about it is why her career is slumping here in U.S.A."

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98. @BettySavage13, 2026
" @gregorylevi1826 Oh honey, her careers doing well. She’s literally a two times Grammy winner 🥰🥳"

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99. @drewsampson2743
"Oh man. This went Viral for the wrong reasons for her. Pay attention kids, this is how to ruin your career."

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100. @brandonjohnson5205, 2026
"I wish they would have shown the facial expressions of the publicists when he said they keeping that in the interview"

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Is "Coloured" A Race or A Culture In Southern Africa? (YouTube Discussion Thread Comments From A 2025 The Pensuel Show Podcast)

The Penuel Show, November 25, 2026

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The host of this podcaster"Penuel Mlotshwa, known as Penuel The Black Pen is of Zulu heritage.

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This is Part II of a two part pancocojams series on the people who are known as "Coloureds" in the nation of South Africa and in some other southern African nations.

This pancocojams post showcases The Penuel Show's November 25, 2025 podcast entitled "Are Coloureds A Race Or A Culture???". 

This post also presents some discussion thread comments from that South African podcast.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2026/03/some-discussion-thread-comments-from.html for Part I of this pancocojams series.That post features discussion thread comments from another The Penuel Show podcast. That post is entitled "Some Discussion Thread Comments From The Penuel Show's 2025 YouTube Podcast "The Different Types Of Coloureds In South Africa". .

The content of this post is presented for historical and socio-cultural purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to The Penuel Show for his research and production of this podcast. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this YouTube podcast. 
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These comments were selected out of many more examples that could have been included in this compilation. They are presented in relative chronological order with numbers given for referencing purposes only.  

All of these selected comments are from 2026.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXx9q4i9zSI&t=21s

1.@dustinsharpe8225
"No matter how you look at it , no matter how you identify all of these labels, black white colored, whatever the case these are all labels that were given these were not labels our ancestors gave us"

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"Amen to that"

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3. @maxchristians588
"Im with you on this, most colours dont know that the second generation Dutch called us Afrikaaners. But the following generations as they realise that giving us an identity more close to Africa. So they also took that identity away."

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4. @astronomers
"Coloured people in South Africa are not the same as mixed race. Trevor Noah is mixed race — he’s not Coloured. While we may have mixed ancestry, Coloured identity is a unique culture with deep roots that existed long before apartheid gave it a name.

Calling us mixed race overlooks our shared heritage, language, and identity. In fact, Coloured people reflect what the world could look like beyond racism — we’re diverse in appearance but united in culture.

That’s why I wish Tyler had stood up for that identity, instead of defaulting to an American view that doesn’t apply to us."
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5. @ronaldwiley8357
"Tyla never said she was black , she said that she was Coloured, and that is why  so many Black Americans turned against her,"

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6. @mpilompanza9101
"I hear you but Tyla didn't have much of a choice. She's in somebody else's country so she's forced to play by their rules. As a South African I'm proud of the way she handled that situation"

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7. @vickykgoete3161
"Coloured is both a race and a culture in South Africa. It's 1 word which defines two separate things. Coloured is a race which defines people who are mixed with more than 1 race and yes unfortunately for you, Trevor is a coloured by race. You can't take that away from him or any other biracial people. Them being biracial makes them coloured. Both multiracial and biracial people are classified coloured in South Africa. Then there is coloured the culture which you are referring to. 1 can be Coloured by race and not by culture Trevor. 1 can be Coloured by both race and culture Tyla. I can be Coloured by culture and not by race eg Minister McKenzie and other non mixed looking coloured people.  You guys are like black Americans who identify as a racial category. You can't gatekeep coloured just like they can't gatekeep black because those are racial classification. You need to understand and separate the 2 definitions of coloured. 1 the race and two the culture."

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8.@MAG1323-b1z
"Nice topic to explore Pen. I'm a Durban "colored". A lot of us from Durban get some flack from other "colored" from Gauteng or Western Cape for the fact that most of us here don't speak or understand Afrikaans lol. Most "colored" from KZN speak Zulu or even Xhosa before Afrikaans, or Afrikaans not at all. So yes we are VERY diverse as "colored" people. But I think first and foremost we are SOUTH AFRICAN 🇿🇦"

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9. chris3gf
"Penuel but remember that not all coloureds speak Afrikaans...Coloureds will label them in a term "sturvy" coloureds because they speak the Kings English and don't partake in what many see as coloured culture... not all coloureds speak coloured slang...

Also there are coloureds who look white, like Paris Jackson, but it doesn't make sense for them to say that they are black either...so we can't term all coloureds as black or that all coloureds identify with a certain culture"

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10. @marj0001
"Appreciate your constant learning pieces Pen, really appreciate the time you take to to bring light to the coloured community. Alot of South Africans sadly get triggered/angered when the coloured community attempts to speak out, and you videos really do bring light and insight into a very complex group of people, especially so in a very diverse yet racially ignorant country.  Side Note - please don't do the stereotypical "coloured accent" its very condescending. As is the stereotypical "African accent" . thank you again."

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11. @feliciainglis4461
"Thank you for this pod cast. I am a mixed race person. Mixed with Indonesian/Dutch, British/St Helenian, Dutch/Cape Malay and British/Coloured. My culture is British/Dutch. Home language English. Was classified as Cape Coloured during apartheid. 🤷"

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12. @tylerdurden3722
"Indian and West Coast African is probably in their too.

One of first imported slaves and indentured servants the VOC imported to the Cape Colony (which the VOC created, not the Netherlands), came from their colony in Bengal (North East India).

In fact the first recorded marriage (recorded by Jan Van Riebeeck, a VOC employee, in his journal), was between a woman from Bengal, and a VOC employee (most likely a Dutch guy).

But the VOC didn't just hire Dutch employees. They hired anyone, as long as you could speak Dutch or learned as fast as possible. Even East Africans and Indian and East Asians were hired as Employees (but typically in lesser positions).

It's why the second governor of the Cape Colony was German. He was a VOC employee...nationality didn't matter...what mattered was that they spoke Dutch, so the organization could be a well oiled profit machine to keep shareholders happy.

Batavia was the Capital of the VOC...the headquarters of this terrifyingly powerful shipping company, with it own armies, navies, colonies, etc...whose power spanned accross the globe, being able to easily wage wars against superpowers and win.

In fact, the VOC was the most powerful private corporation to have existed in human history. Terrifyingly powerful.

Today, Batavia is called Jakarta (which is in Indonesia).

Slaves from all over the Indian Ocean coasts were taken to Batavia to be sold on the slave markets there. This is where a big portion of the slaves and indentured servants imported to the Cape Colony, came from.

Madagascar, Bengal and Far South India (called Macassar back then) were sort of regional headquarters for the company. Which is where a lot of the rest came from.

Out of fear for this corporate monster with shareholders and everything, the company was dismantled and their territories confiscated.

Then after Britain freed the Netherlands from Napoleon"s rule, the Dutch gave most of those territories to the British, in eachange for some territories in South Asia (the Dutch kept the South East Asian territories of the dismantled VOC).

This included the Cape Colony being given to Britain.

At this exact time, the British, for some reason decided they're going to erase all slavery from the Earth and declared war against slavery.

So they intercepted large numbers of slave ships, and freed the slaves...mostly in the Atlantic...most heading toward Brazil from Portuguese colonies in Africa.

Some of these freed transatlantic slaves (not a small number), were sent to Cape Town...and melted into the "Coulored identity".

And even before this, since the beginning of the Cape Colony, lots of Portuguese slave ships wrecked off the Cape of Storms over the whole period, and people "rescued".

In fact, the very first slaves were from such a wreck.

The VOC had a policy of not enslaving natives to work in their native lands. It was bad for business and a headache in the long run.

All the VOC cared about was profit.

Hence why Khoi weren't officially enslaved. Also because the VOC had a treaty with the Khoi to not enslave Khoi.

Though it did happen, by replacing deceased slaves with a random Khoi guy and forcing the deceased slave's identity on this poor guy."

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13. @peterprostt1053
"If the term Coloured is suddenly considered offensive, then surely the term Black should be questioned too — because that is also a colonial-era label. The problem isn’t the word Coloured itself; it’s the way some people try to force mixed-heritage individuals into categories that don’t reflect who they are.

You cannot call someone “Black” or “White” when they are of mixed race — that erases the reality of their origins and ignores the heritage of both parents. The term Coloured exists because mixed ancestry produces a wide range of identities, appearances, and backgrounds. It is a practical and accurate description of a community of colour - not a single colour, with its own history and culture.

That’s why it’s frustrating when people try to make “Coloured” an issue. It feels like the same mistake made in places like the U.S., where mixed-heritage people are pushed into the “Black” category whether they identify that way or not. It’s another form of erasure — forcing people into something they are not.

So if Black can be used without question, then Coloured should also be respected for what it truly represents: a distinct identity, not an insult.

You clearly have a problem with colour — not us,South Africans. You’re the one trying to force people into categories that don’t fit them. And by doing that, you’re causing more disruption and shame within the Coloured community, not helping them.

Coloured people know exactly who they are. It’s others who keep trying to shove them into boxes they don’t belong in."
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14. @Pure_Boxing
"Coloureds have existed before the construct or word coloured. So has the culture, without mixing or with mixing other races independently for long enough to be identified separately.

Being from a black or white or intermixed parents doesnt make you coloured culturally, perhaps you look different but that's as far as it goes.

To be coloured, is a specific form of life and identification, through actions and symbols which differ to other races or cultures. Ie we eat differently, we date differently, we dress differently, we think of things in different ways to other cultures"

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15. @tinyeyekon
"Hello! Thank you so much for this video and the video before, thank you so so much. I'm Zimbabwean by mom (descent) and Swiss through my dad. My dad is northern and southern European and south Indian and black. My mom's black. I've always been told to identify as black in Zim.   Majorly because of my skin, they say I'm not pale and very lightskin so I'm not coloured. I didn't have a problem with it as a toddler because I didn't really know about my heritage and mixture. I've gotten a DNA test and the mix is sooo beautiful. I've got Bantu/Southern African, basically Sub Saharan, Indian, Irish and English, Portuguese and Spanish and German. The Irish and English is seen in my surname and growing up I'd just say my surname is white. My grandmother was physically half Zulu and Indian. So there's alot in there indeed and I'm happy to share the coloured identity with others and to many having identity crises because of skin, hair and eye colour, there's alot within your blood and you should be proud of your DNA🙃❤️"

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16. @Star-hg1kt
"Ethnicity, ethnicities have cultures. Not a race"

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17. @AzaNaphtali
"AFRIKAANS 🇿🇦

Afrikaans is called Afrikaans because it was invented in South Africa when the Dutch came to South Africa with Malaysian and Indonesian men as workers on the ships. These men were great cooks, and skilled builders, and they are also responsible for building beautiful structures in South Africa. Malaysia and Indonesia where Dutch Colonies.

These men didn't have wives, so they got married to the indigenous khoisan women of South Africa. That's how the Coloured race in South Africa and Namibia began. That's why many of us have Surnames like Jattiem, Kamaldiem, Toyer, Noordien, etcetera. These are Malaysian and Indonesian surnames that came from our Malaysian and Indonesian forefathers.

Afrikaans is a mixture of Dutch, Malaysian, Indonesian, and Khoisan words like Gogga. Many khoisan words are actually used in prison language, also known as sabella.

A few words in Afrikaans that came from Malaysia and Indonesia:

Gordyn

Waslap

Kraan

Handdoek

Emmer

Kammer

Kwitansie

Koerant

Tang

Kwas

Piering

Das/dasi

Sertifiekaat

Tas

Kommunikasie

Soen

Apteek

Asbak

Mediekasie

Bioskop

Kool

Wortel

Piesang

Baklei

Baie

Jas

Baadjie

Baar

Bamboes

Tjap

Tramma kassie

Krabbetjie

Rampokker

Sadly many Coloured people don't know their history, because they don't teach these things at school. It's your responsibility to teach your children where they came from.

Don't let the corrupt government give you their version of His-story. They already taught you humans evolved from monkeys, so why would you believe anything they say when history has been rewritten multiple times to benefit those in power?"

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18. @vickykgoete3161
"29:07 Penuel why would biracial people be excluded from being coloured in your view if you accept coloured as a race? Because once you accept coloured as a race in this country (you actually don't need to accept it, its reality) thats how biracials are included as coloureds. Because yes coloured is synonymous with mixed race with biracial and multiracial people All included. In this country we never made the distinction between these two. We called them all coloured. Socially we know the difference, culturally we know and acknowledge the difference  but legally they're all called coloured, people mixed with more than 1 race. If you're saying coloured is a culture only. Which shared culture did Trevor and all those biracials you mentioned experience? But you want to know 1 thing biracials have with multiracials ? Is them being treated better than blacks and worser than whites, that's a phenotype thing, thats a race thing not a cultural thing because these people dont share a culture they share a RACE.

Those PA people are black by race and coloured by culture Penuel. There are also white passing people who identify with the coloured culture but their race is white"

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19.@vickykgoete3161
"26:24 You say black culture and coloured culture. Black is not a culture, its a race Penuel. The Zulu traditional dance is not vlack culture, its Zulu culture. The race unites all black people not a culture. Like we said within that black race we have various cultures. Same with the coloured race of mixed people. They have various coloured culture but the race is uniting all the various mixes and cultural backgrounds. You refusing to acknowledge coloured as a race is confusing you. There is coloured the race referring to a group of people mixed with more than 1 race and then there is coloured the culture which you love and understand so much. The fact that coloured people's culture is named after their race is confusing you. Coloureds have various cultures what unites them is the race Coloured which defines people mixed with more than 1 race."

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20.@Eniola0ne
"The word coloured is European invention of divide and rule. Coloured itself is creation of European. There nothing called Coloured before Colonialism. And Coloured was created to bring crisis of identity."

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21. @eldon.phukuile
"Why is there any pushback? I have no issue with asking curiously. Plus, I learned a hell of a lot!

To me, being PROUDLY coloured is a race, an identity, a culture. I do not identify as black culturally or identity-wise, but I identify as politically black. It’s nuanced, it’s complex.

BRUIN-OUs, ons is die MAIN OUs!"

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22. @aphiwemsomi
"Coloured is not a race it is just blacks who have a lighter complexion. In other countries colured and blacks are grouped as one. Apartheid laws made coloureds see themselves as separate from blacks so that they would not be oppressed as much. In the eyes of the rest of the world both are considered black people.

Tyla is struggling in America right now because she can't seem to grasp that coloured and black are one thing except in South Africa. Once she realises that she will prosper as a global star."

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23. @acidicsoul4978
"Tyla already understands that. What Americans want is "I am not coloured", something she won't say and doesn't have to. Her career is fine 👍"

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24. @Binti-no8hm
"Not we. The colonizers decided to label people according to colour. The one drop rule that some countries use to define whose black is also dehumanizing and supremacist. To accept that definition is a symptom of an ongoing enslaved mindset that sees the unique features of caucasians only while disregarding the rest of the population as off cuts to be lumped under one umbrella in spite of their very obvious differences in appearance"

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25. @vickykgoete3161
"Stop subjecting our country to the laws of other nations. In South Africa  we gave mixed people their own racial category called coloured. So let's stop undermining our laws n history for foreign views. Coloured is race in this country and it still is. A culture formed from this racial classification and so today coloured is both a race and a culture."

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26.@Nocrismisi
"Instead of you speaking on behalf of coloured people, why don’t you invite coloured scholars to your podcast and let them speak from the inside-out as opposed to you speaking from the outside-in. Make sure you invite appropriate guests like Patric Mellet, NOT your friend dj Warras who doesn’t even identify as coloured neither does he know something about anything."

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27.@elroyswarts0044
"Being Coloured is both a culture(ethnicity) and a race. Coloureds are essentially mixed race people. In fact, Coloureds are literally the most mixed group of people on the planet. Insisting that it is only a culture and not also a race takes away from the fact that it is mixed race people and gives the impression that it is possible to be mono racial but still be Coloured, or that it can be evenly split between mono racial and mixed race people, when that isn't the case. So being Coloured is both a culture and it has a racial component to it."

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28.@ziphovichlubi3081
"Based on the definitions and what is morally fair I agree coloured is a culture. It is interesting. A person has to be open minded to grow with this topic because it is vast and deep. So well-done my brother for threading where others choose to overlook or ignore the obvious truth starring them in face...."

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29. @Binti-no8hm
"What also needs to stop is the application of the American one drop rule as the dafault for what constitutes black as it falsely implies that white is pure. Many ethnically african people say colourds don't realize they are black when said colourd may have an equal mix of african, european and/or other ancestry. Imagine being on a clif with your 4 grandparents all hanging on the edge and you can only save one. Asking a coloured to choose one identity is impossible. The sum of all parts makes the whole.

Lets keep it real, nobody is black or white. Lets get away from placing so much stock in melanin levels. Skin/eye colour, hair texture, etc. is not what creates a cohesive society but rather common values and compassion."

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30. @GodfreyFortuin-ib3ml
"Penuel Thankyou for being sensitive to this contentious subject.I am firstly South African the apartheid classified me as coloured.I am of mixed ancestry.I have researched my genealogy through DNA slave , death, marriage records and certificates.I was very Anti white and emphasized my black and slave ancestry, I however discovered that my paternal side was descended from a German free burgher who settled in Stellenbosch and his son married my malay slave grandmother..Let us not perpetuate this matter of race,let us realise our joint humanity and South africaness.On my maternal side I have family in Botswana and they are motswana and Botswana on their passports no reference to their coloured race group"

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31. @manikmoon
"!00%! This 'race' classification has always been a deeply divisive tactic used by many an authoritarian entity. Your breakdown of the South African 'coloured' label is the perfect starting point to dissect this tactic. Culture is a whole other, and more important, subject. I, myself, am 'white' , however, I identify in no way to, say, a Frenchman, a German, an American - I am born English in culture!  - I am also a South African in nationality, that in itself brings a different cultural element to my 'Englishness'. 'Cultures' can either be, in part, celebrated and/or criticised, each is unique and can be incompatible with each other in some way or another, this is an area open to discussion and mediation."

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32. @Binti-no8hm
"Trying to place people in boxes is a fruitless endeavour Pen. You see cats with all kinds of shades, stripes and spots happily living their cat lives. Don't overthink it. If you want to make a productive change in society, focus the dialog on solving the socio economic issues for everyone whose impoverished."

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33. @FounderFreedom
"I believe solving identify in the coloured community will serve this purpose and instill a sense of pride that will have many beneficial knock on effects. It’s this loss of identify and living with such a shameful term that is part of many coloured people’s broken self-image.

The term Coloured was forced upon us. We should redefine ourselves, who we want to be as a people. If Xhosa and other black cultures have so many sub cultures then that should hold true for coloured people too."

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34. @elroyswarts0044
"Thank you for the respectful way you are talking about our people Penuel. That is important especially considering the fact that many South Africans and some non South Africans cannot stand Coloureds and are very dismissive of our existence as if we are not a legitimate and valid ethnic group with our own independent identity, history, and culture. Much love and respect to you bro.🙏"

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35. @chedacheezy8732
"Hi Pen, I like your content as you are educational and comical, chefs kiss👌

I agree with you and I do not think coloured is a race. I am coloured but I would most likely fall under mixed race than coloured because people always mistake me for being Indian, which I dont blame them. When I told my Xhosa friends I see myself as black and do not believe coloured to be a race, they laughed and told me no I am Caucasian Lol.

I am coloured from Gqebera the old PE, born and bred, but my parents are from Cape Town. My dads side is St Helena/Germany mix and my moms side is Irish/St Helena/India mix. So I have no known black gene but I still see myself as black and African because SA is my home, and I dont give a f### who disagrees.

On a side note Pen, if you did not already can you make a video about the true name of South Africa? Or are we just a direction? I always felt a bit disappointed that we have a direction as a name for our Country. Imagine naming your child North-West, who does such things."

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36. @vickykgoete3161
"It's Both."

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37. @Pinkfriday-nx3hv
"Me personally Coloured is both a race and culture, if we are talking about being Coloured in terms of racially it means u have African+ European or Asian or BOTH. meaning if ur Biracial, Multiracial, Multi-generational mixed, 75% African and 25% European, or 75% European 25%, u are coloured by because of ur admixtures with foreign continent(Europe,America and Asian) if ur coloured by in terms ethnicity/heritage/culture we mean Natal Coloured, Bushmen, Cape Malay, Griqua etc. Trevor Noah is Colored in terms of race, in terms of ethnicity he is Swiss and Xhosa, Sho Majozi is Coloured by race and  Sweden and Tsonga by ethnicity. Tyla is Coloured by Race and by ethnicity she is Natal Coloured."

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38. @ruwaynekock4983
"You’re absolutely right that “Coloured” is not a race, and you’re touching on something important about identity. I want to add a bit of clarity, because Social Identity Theory helps here:

 - Race is a broad political category shaped by power and history.

-  Ethnicity is about shared ancestry, lineage, language, and deep historical roots.

-  Culture is the lived expression of any identity — the practices, language, humour, food, values and ways of being.

Sometimes in conversations, race, ethnicity, and culture are used interchangeably, which can unintentionally blur the picture. When Coloured is treated only as culture or lifestyle, we flatten deep historical and genealogical realities into surface performance. When Coloured is treated as race, we fall back into the same logic that created the Population Registration Act. Both positions worry me. That said, I genuinely appreciate the courage it took to open this conversation. Thank you for starting this. Let’s keep building on it, drawing on expert and ordinary people's voices to create greater historical and conceptual clarity."

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39. @hildadavids217
"Hi Penuel, I am just like you very mixed, my mum is actual from the Bakgatla people, and her father was a Mopedi group. My paternal grandfather is Scottish and martenal grandmother is Mopedi. My Mom and Dad were the best parents I could have ever had. My father was not accepted by black people and they used the derogatory word against him, but was the most handsome, beautiful soul, I had ever met. He was so focused on his family, he never drank alcohol or smoked in his life. We once up a time lived in Soweto, but were never accepted. I think that my father endured the worst discrimination from black people. When people say that black people can't be racist, I just laugh. Fortunately my maternal grandmother told my parents to move us to a place where people who look like us lived, became my mother had a very short fuse when it came to her children, being amaboesman. Eventually we moved to Kliptown, we speak all languages, when they try and talk about us, we understand everything, so do both my parents. The coloured people accepted us warm hands, my mother became a prominent figure within this community. They loved her so much, because she loved everyone. I think that her blood pressure came down, became she didn't have to fight anyone calling her children the derogatory names. I am very happy to be called whatever, because coloured people are the most accepting people you can find. I don't care whether someone says we don't have a culture. We have our own way of life, that is our culture. When we have functions at home, that is where you will find represented is the true demographic of South Africa. You will find white people, black people, Indian people, and coloured people. That is what makes me a true South African. We most all African languages even if the others are not perfect, but I will hear what you are saying about me."

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40. @quentinvanrheede6069
"Great topic. Just 1 issue to throw into the pot: as I understand it, the term bi-racial refers to first generation children of a mixed couple. In fact, biracial people I know resent being called coloured but their children typically don’t have a problem with it. Personally, I don’t care. As a student I hated the term coloured; these days I accept it, pretty much as the ANC govt still de facto  maintains that classification."

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41. @siyabongasibanyoni6595
"My personal view this that Coloureds are a nation. Like the Zulu nation, we have a colored nation. They practice their coloured culture. It is not a race. You do not have to be biracial to be a coloured however you have to be from a specify geographic location or speak Afrikaans and practise the coloured culture. These are my personal views and no disrespect."

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42. @mpilompanza9101
"As a person who lives in KZN I understand what you are saying."
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KwaZulu-Natal
"KwaZulu-Natal (... also referred to as KZN)[6] is a province of South Africa that was created in 1994 when the government merged the Zulu bantustan of KwaZulu ("Place of the Zulu" in Zulu) and Natal Province.

It is located in the southeast of the country, with a long shoreline on the Indian Ocean. It shares borders with three other provinces and the countries of Mozambique, Eswatini and Lesotho. Its capital is Pietermaritzburg, and its largest city is Durban, which is also the city with the largest port in sub-saharan Africa. It is the second-most populous province in South Africa, after Gauteng."...

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43. @9bj2jwh
"So then that should be true for any other culture, yes? If a non Zulu is born and raised in a village in KZN, that person is Zulu? I don't know that the wider population would agree thou, but like you, that makes perfect sense to me."

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44. @mpilompanza9101
"@9bj2jwh You do know that there are tons of non Zulu people in the KZN right? He said nothing about KZN only having Zulus what he's saying is Coloured is a culture in his understanding. Is he wrong?"

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45. @9bj2jwh
"@mpilompanza9101 please read my comment again... slowly and with understanding this time, you are inserting things I never said anything about. That's a you problem. ✌🏿"

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46. @COLOUREDCHILDCONQUERS
"In some communities some "coloured" people who practice Christianity think people who practice Islam are Muslims and not "coloured" which is weird when they are comparing a "social construct" (race) with religious preference when in fact they are just "coloured" people who practice Islam and not Christianity."

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47. @robinfisher2103
"Being a coloured is without a doubt a culture. The label COLOURED is a colonial construct. We are black or mixed race. I am from Zimbabwe my grandparents are from Cape Town, Kimberley and St Helena. Our habits and food and baking methods are  Cape malay/coloured completely. My grandparents and my mother spoke Afrikaans fluently. I feel so at home when I visit Cape Town yet I'm born in Zimbabwe, WHY ??? Cape Town is my ancestral home. Loved your first video on this topic, Gods blessings stay safe my Bru."

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48. @imhated1294
"The label AFRICAN is also a colonial construct."

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49. @SttsSttts
"I think it's both. Mixed people adopted and created their own mix version of a culture. You can't be colored and be white or african or Asian, you must have mixed ancestry. The same way you can't be Zulu or african without full african ancestry or afrikaner without being Dutch ancestry, simple."

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50. @masambeni
"Thanks for discussing these topics.  Just because you're not Coloured doesn't mean you cannot discuss this topic.  I like your insights."

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51. @robinfisher2103
"I am a coloured yes, but I believe we should label ourselves not the oppressive colonialist.  @masambeni"

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52. @robinfisher2103
"Yes I do, freedom of speech is in the constitution ​@masambeni"

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53. @nostalgiakitty2057
"Coloured when I was growing up meant mixed race, these days it seems to mean people with partially African Ancestry who are Non-Bantu culturally. These days most race people indenifty with the cultures of both their parents, be they white and Indian, Zulu and Indian, Xhosa and Coloured, etc"

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54. @AnthonyAbrahams-xm5gc
"Question is are all other Races really cultural"

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55. @RushayBooysen
"Black is also a colonial construct"

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57. @vanbronwyn
"According to South African government and race classification they are indeed a race.  Race is a social construct though, I do not look at race, it makes no sense to me as the character of a person makes them who they are not their skin colour.   Being coloured is a culture, I love my coloured brothers and sisters, they are such a vibe."

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58. @justaboredhousewife7804
"Coloured is definitely a culture. Racially, i dont know what my genetic make-up is. Constitutionally,  im black, and i have no problem being black, as long as i can be a black coloured or coloured-black.

For those who want to do away with the term coloured, that's your perogative. You dont have to identify as Coloured.

When the apartheid government decided to take the Afrikaner title away from us and declassify us as coloured, we didn't cry about it. We took that term and made ot our own.Coloured is a culture."

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59. @quintonkippen1963
"I posted this comment on the previous video. I would like to share the view that Coloured cannot be a culture. Cultures have a few things to destinguish them. Food, clothing/ dress, music and even religions and a mother tongue. So the Coloureds as race created by the apartheid government is just term to distinguish them and for segregational purposes."

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60. @AzaNaphtali
"COLOURED PEOPLE

People have so much to say about Coloured history when they are not even Coloureds. They wanna tell us who we are and where we came from..well I'm here to right the wrongs!!!

The Coloured history began in the 1600's when the Dutch came to South Africa. These Dutch men brought Malaysian and Indonesian men with them as workers on the ships. Malaysia and Indonesia were Dutch colonies back then.

When these men arrived in South Africa they met the indigenous people of South Africa which is the Khoisan. They then built a relationship with the khoisan, and they began to marry Khoisan women and that's how the Coloured race began.

That was also the beginning of the Afrikaans language. Afrikaans is a mixture of Dutch, Malaysian, Indonesian, and Khoisan words.

Namibia used to be part of South, that's why there are still Coloureds living in Namibia till this day. These Coloureds also speak Afrikaans.

Coloureds didn't come from Bantu people. If Coloureds came from Bantu people we would've spoken the Bantu language of our Bantu mothers.

Bantu people came to South Africa in the 1800's with the British invasion. Zimbabwe and Botswana were British colonies, that's why Bantu people knew how to speak English instead of Afrikaans. The British used these Bantus like the Zulus to make war against the Dutch to take control of South Africa. They took part of South Africa that was later labeled as Kwazulu-natal. The British also brought the Indians to South Africa. And till this day the Indians are still here.

Bantu people aren't indigenous to South Africa.

Our history has been erased and changed to benefit those in power; that's why we as a Coloured race are oppressed and treated like foreigners in our own ancestral land just because we look different than the typical African phenotype.

And just to further elaborate; Trevor Noah is not a coloured!!!! He is biracial. He doesn't come from the Coloured history and ancestral line. Trevor Noah is a Bantu mixed with a white father."
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Trevor Noah is often mentioned in contemporary discussions about the referent "Coloured" in South Africa. Here's some information about Trevor Noah from his Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Noah
"Trevor Noah (born 20 February 1984) is a South African comedian, writer, producer, political commentator, actor, and television host. He was the host of The Daily Show, an American late-night talk show and satirical news program on Comedy Central, from 2015 to 2022. Noah has won various awards, including two Primetime Emmy Awards.[1]

[...]

Early life

Trevor Noah was born on 20 February 1984, in Johannesburg, Transvaal (now Gauteng), South Africa.[18][19] His father, Robert, is Swiss-German, and his mother, Patricia Nombuyiselo Noah, is Xhosa.[20][21]

 Under apartheid legislation, Noah's mother was classified as Black, and his father was classified as White. Noah himself was classified as Coloured. At the time of his birth, his parents' interracial relationship was illegal, which Noah highlights in his autobiography Born a Crime.[22] Interracial sexual relations and marriages were decriminalized a year after his birth, when the Immorality Act was amended in 1985. Patricia and her mother, Nomalizo Frances Noah, raised Trevor in the black township of Soweto.[23]"...

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61. @michaelvdnest
"My great grandfather is Dutch, my great grandmother is Zulu. My other grandfather is Indian and my other grandmother is Cape Malay.

I was born in Kliptown and grew up in Ennerdale.

By your definition I'm not coloured. Am I biracial?"

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62. @seans6034
"Is black a race or a culture when the DNA varies considerably?"

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63. @marvelousnxele3724
"Black is an ethnicity to us, we are ngoni ( abantu) which is our race....I'm also biracial but I identify as umzulu"

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64. @gizahhub8732
"A race is a SOCIALLY CONSTRUCTED category that groups people based on perceived physical traits—mainly things like skin colour, facial features, or hair texture. Scientifically we are 99.9% genetically the same. So my question to you, Pen is; Why is there a need to classify us? Genetically we are either Male(XY) or Female (XX). I'm Female (XX-chromosome) and African (born on the African continent)."

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65. @TheUncleRobb
"I agree 💯,, nurture has greater effect than nature. Culture is how you were nurtured."

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66. @kainscion9085
"What an interesting take! At first, I didn't know if I would agree with you, but my experience being Coloured lines up with this.

Both of my parents are Afrikaans, my dad grew up on a farm in Namaqualand and my mom is Cape Coloured, but I didn't grow up in either culture.

All my life, I grew up outside of the Coloured culture, with my one grandmother only introducing me to some of the Cape Malay culture, but nothing that sticks. Because of this, other Colourds have called me "White" since school, and that hurt my understanding of my identity for a long time.

I know for a fact that there are many Coloureds like me, and while I don't have any resentment towards the culture, it honestly is - as you've laid out - a culture."

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67. @AMF5753
"Namakwalander hier. Both my parents are born and bred from Namaqualand, and so are their parents and the ones before them. People in Cape Town frowned because we did not identify with the Klopse and the culture here. It is important to understand that we also have variations in how we were 'cultured'. Our different 'mixes' infused different culturedness. And that it is ok to not be 'the same', even though we are mixed."

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68. @forgoogletotrack7181
"Correct. Coloured is a culture, it is the community you are raised in. Coloured culture has similarities nationally, but there are regional differences as well. Cape Coloured culture is different from Durban Coloured culture. Our accents are different regionally yet when one Coloured person from one province sees one from another province, we "see" each other, no matter what we look like."

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69. @kainscion9085
"​@forgoogletotrack7181 100%, that's the one thing I also do, "seeing" another Coloured in public, but yes, I have no tie to Coloured culture, unfortunately. I just check the box when filling in forms 😂"

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70. @LM-rg9lj
"Im mixed race not coloured...coloured is a  culture..based on socialization"

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