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Showing posts with label Green Sally Up. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Green Sally Up. Show all posts

Thursday, July 31, 2025

Sounds Of The South (1950s) Recording Of Black American Women Singing The Children's Game Song "Green Sally Up" & Moby's "Flowers" Tune That Samples That Recording

 

IvchoBrasil, Published on Sep 13, 2009

Mattie Garder, Mary Gardner, Jesse Lee Pratcher - Green Sally Up

A black children's singing game performed by a group of women in Como, Miss. [1950s] Moby sampled this song for his song Flower.

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Edited by Azizi Powell

Most of this pancocojams post is a reformatted copy of a 2017 pancocjams post about the Black American singing game "Green Sally Up".

The link for that 2017 post is  https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/09/green-sally-up-various-related-rhymes.html . As of July 31, 2025, that pancocojams post has ten comments.

This post provides an article excerpt about the 19th century African American originated children's rhyme "Green Sally Up" and showcases a 1950s and a 1970s example of that song. 

This pancocojams post also includes an example of a 1939 African American children's rhyme that includes two lines that remind me of "Green Sally Up".

In addition, this pancocojams post features the 1999 electronical house record "Flowers" by Moby which samples that above mentioned 1950s rendition of "Green Sally Up".

The Addendum of this post presents performance instructions and lyrics for a circle game that I created in 1990s that was inspired by the 1950s version of "Green Sally Up". The rhyme/song for that circle game has a similar tune and a similar textual structure as the 1950s version of "Green Sally Up".

The content of the this post is presented for folkloric, historical, cultural, recreational, and entertainment purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composers of "Green Sally Up" and thanks also to all those who are featured in these embedded sound files, and the online publishers of those sound files. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post.

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EXCERPT ABOUT THE SONG "GREEN SALLY UP"
From https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/5/1577996/-Morning-Open-Thread-Old-slave-children-s-song-Bring-Sally-Up Morning Open Thread - Old slave children's song: "Bring Sally Up." By Otteray Scribe
2016/10/05
..."Today, we have a mashup of a centuries old children's song. Not just any children’s song, but one by and for slave children in the old South. The meaning is obscure to most people. The original lyrics varied, because songs by and for children are not static. This is an approximation of the original:

Sometimes it was “Bring Sally Up” and sometimes “Green Sally.” It went on to the next line, “Last one squat gotta tear the ground." That was accompanied by dance like antics, where “Sally" referred to the little girls. They jumped and then squatted in rhythm to the song. Tearing the ground meant the last one to squat had to scrabble in the dirt with their hands.

The line, "Last one squat gotta tear the ground", is similar to the more modern phrase, "Last one to do it is a rotten egg," sort of teasing. The implication being that the last one to squat had to help the adults in the field, although it was a playground tease and not a serious threat.

The song goes on, "Old miss Lucy's dead and gone, left me here to weep alone." That verse meant the slave owner (or his wife), is dead. In the original song that verse is followed with the call, "If you hate it fold your arms, if you love it clap your hands." Obviously the kids who clapped along to the rhythmic beat of the song were glad that Old Miss Lucy has died, and the ones who didn't were showing a measure of respect for her....

The iconoclastic singer, Moby, who is white, manages to capture the rhythm and feel of the old slave song. …which he has titled, Flower. “

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LYRICS: GREEN SALLY UP
Example #1:
(Mattie Garder, Mary Gardner, Jesse Lee Pratcher; 1958 rendition from Cosmo, Mississippi in Sounds of the South [4 CDs]), edited by Alan Lomax, released 1993

Green Sally up
Green Sally down
Last one squat gotta tear the ground
Old miss Lucy's dead and gone
Left me here to weep alone
If you hate it, fold your arms,
if you love it, clap your hands.

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Example #2:
(From Step It Down: Games, Plays, Songs, and Stories from the Afro-American Heritage by Bessie Jones and Bess Lomax Hawes, published, 1972)

Green Sally up, Green Sally down
Green Sally bake her possum brown.

Asked my mama for fifteen cents
to see the elephant jump the fence.
He jumped so high, he touched the sky
He never got back till the fourth of July.

You see that house upon that hill,
That's where me and my baby live.

Oh the rabbit in the hash come a-stepping in the dash,
With his long-tailed coat and his beaver on.
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From http://www.culturalequity.org/alanlomax/ce_alanlomax_profile_jonesb.php "Bessie Jones" by Peter Stone and Ellen Harold
...."Significantly, Bess Lomax Hawes, in her introduction to Step It Down, written jointly with [Bessie] Jones, emphasized Jones’s essential role, not as a carrier and documenter of folklore, but as a teacher; for such she felt herself to be. She was deeply aware of the socializing and educative function of the songs, plays, and movement games she remembered from her childhood: 

'The children, they don’t even know how to play those things now, see. But it’s just good fun games, keeps you out of devilment, keeps you from fighting. I never had fights with children when I was little — didn’t have time to fight, we had to play. When we wasn’t eating or sleeping or working — and so that was it. But now they got time to talk about the grown things. —Step It Down: Games, Plays, Songs, and Stories from the Afro-American Heritage (1972; reprint, Athens, University of Georgia Press, 1987), p. 172

The games, mostly from the British Isles, had been widespread among Southern black and white populations as a way to circumvent religious prohibitions against physical movement and dancing. As adapted by African-Americans they served as an important vehicle to transmit traditional African-derived dance movement and rhythmic styles that promoted group cohesion, nurtured individual virtuosity, and, as Bessie realized, helped make the players physically and mentally stronger. The songs, games, and stories of the past were a “spiritual survival kit,” in Bessie’s case, connecting her with the beloved figures of the past. To keep their memory alive she sought out young people to teach them to."
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This 1972 published version of "Green Sally Up" is from a book about the play traditions of African Americans from the Georgia Sea Islands. This version of "Green Sally Up" includes lines from the African American originated rhymes "Miss Mary Mack" and "I Love Coffee, I Love Tea". I believe that the lines "Green Sally bake her possum brown" and "the rabbit in the hash" are from other traditional African American folk songs/rhymes, although I've not yet found any other examples of rhymes or songs that include that phrase or that verse.

In the context of this rhyme, Green Sally" means a young, inexperienced girl. "Greenhorn" is a similar use of the word "green".

The "bake her possum brown" phrase refer to the old custom among poor Black (and probably also poor non-Black) people in the Southern region of the United States of hunting opossum and rabbits, and cooking them to supplement their meager diets.
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Read the Addendum below for a singing game called "Green Color Up" that I created in 1990. That game was inspired by the 1950s version of "Green Sally Up".

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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THE DISCUSSION THREAD FOR THE SHOWCASE VIDEO GIVEN AT THE TOP OF THIS POST. These comments are numbered for referencing purposes only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPBJRwp7eEQ


1. 
redplague888, 2011
"Ohhh, so this is where Moby sampled this from.
Classic! I like these folk songs from back in the day."


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2 LionArmor9, 2011
..."Ask someone in the South and they'll tell you... They don't like the song because it's considered slave music but it is Last one squat gotta tear the ground... What sense would it make to say lift and squat gotta tear the ground."

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Ali Mo, 2012
"Because this is an old slave song/hang jive song that was passed down orally there are a lot of versions/variations, although the lyrics for this one are pretty clear. Another version includes "Green Sally up, Green Sally down, Green Sally baked her possum brown. She asked her mama for fifty cents, to see the elephant jump the fence, They jumped so high, they reached the sky, and didn't come back till the Fourth of July." Similar to Miss Mary Mack oddly enough... don't know what that is about"

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 @IvchoBrasil, 2012
"@MrJord137 I don't care what google says. I hope you're not believing everything that's coming out in google results. I know what I hear and three days ago I was at Moby's concert where the singer sang "lift and squat" which supports my thesis. You're telling me she doesn't know the original lyrics?"

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5. @miamivicepastels83, 2012
"@IvchoBrasil moby changed it for his purposes boo. moby took the original song from this song that we are listening to now which came from slavery and little children's songs...."

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6. @MBlac777, 2012
"I agree, there are different versions of this song. However, it is a song by either slaves or sharecroppers. It is a work song. I know that google may have posted the lyrics, but they may

not have all of their information correct for the original song. So Moby's version is just that his version. It says what he says it says. However, I am curious about what the original song said. It seems like a childrens play song or a work song for plowing fields.

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7. @Roox8115, 2023
"Thank you so much for explaining this, i knew the there was something strange about it, when listening to the lyrics. Something in my mind told me this is not right, how can a children's song be about death? That's the first thing that struck me.This is NOT a children's song, and i personally don't understand why Mr. Lomax, who recorded it in 1959 in the South (probably Alabama or Mississippi), actually mis-titled it a "children's song" on the original album cover. It says "American Folk Songs for Children"...Maybe there are other songs on the album that are children's songs, i don't know, i don't have this album from 1959. But this song, in particular, is definitely a slave work song, it talks about the hard labour they have to perform all day long, lifting and carrying things, about death of old people from over-work probably, and things like that. How can that be a children's song?"

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8. @michaelbauers8800, 2024
"@Roox8115  Given some of the dark nursery rhymes I know of, and dark children's stories about parents abandoning their kids in dark forests...not sure why it could not be a children's song.  I of course don't know what the song means for a fact.  But old miss Lucy may be a slave owner, and a disliked one.  Someone suggested the lyric is something like "last one squat going to tear the ground" is some sort of game where if you are too slow, you lose.  If you lose do you "tear the ground" meaning to work in the fields?  I don't know.  But it feels like some of the songs I have heard kids jump rope to, just darker.  And if kids of slaves sing dark songs, it's not shocking, as their lives sucked IMO."

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9. @Roox8115, 2024
"@michaelbauers8800  I see what you mean. If you're referring to the dark "children's stories" by the Grimm Brothers, those are not " children's" stories to begin with😄😄My opinion is that children were the last reason in their minds when they wrote them, in other words they were just a false pretence. The reasons were everything but the children, however they proved a good cover for those times. But that's another matter. Maybe miss Lucy was indeed an old disliked slave owner and it is is possible those were children of the slaves singing those rhymes, but i find it hard to believe. It is possible but improbable. I wouldn't apply the "Grimm Brothers" principle on a children's song, even if it's from the slave-owning era 🙂"

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10. @Open-DI_239,2024
"Slavery was a dark time, especially to the slaves."

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11. @heathertaylor8904, 2025
"​@Roox8115  are you kidding? So many children's songs are about death or dark subjects."

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12. @mreaganismyhero, 2014
"My dad bought an album with this song on it around 1970 and I grew up listening to it.  It's called American Folk Songs for Children recorded by Alan Lomax.  My dad's almost 80 now and I'm in my 50's and he gave me that album just about a year ago because he knew how much I liked it.  I love this original version but I also like what Moby did with this song too.

Consequently, this album has another song on it (Soldier, Soldier) that Kevin Costner sang to himself in the movie Dances With Wolves while he took a swim.

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13.@khristlemehth9615, 2014
"Actually its:

Green Sally up, Green Sally down

LIFT And Squat gotta TILL the ground"

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14. @earthgreen, 2018
"Khristle Mehth not saying 'lift 'and squat but saying "last'un" squat...last'un is how old people from the south say last one...so they saying last one squat gotta till the ground...listen closely!"

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15. furioushazaa, 2016
"Does Moby's song say "bring" or "green"... I've seen conflicting websites.."

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16. @TheTripleAce3, 2016
"+furioushazaa Bring."

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17. @ClaytonMacleod, 2016
"+furioushazaa Moby's song contains a direct sample of this exact recording, which says green."

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18. @Nicoleflygrl81, 2021
"Ol Miss Lucy is a slave owner who died.. green Sally means little girl .. this is a old plantation song"

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19. @irwins_saucetwt3379, 2022 
"Does no one else have to do push-ups to this song"

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@nicoloquatraccioni3714, 2024 
"Moby basically remixed this whole album (Sounds of The South by Alan Lomax)".


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21. @Open-DI_239, 2024
"God bless my ancestors 🖤🖤🖤🖤💯"

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LYRICS FOR A VERSION OF "RING AROUND THE ROSIE" THAT MAY BE RELATED TO "GREEN SALLY UP"
From https://blogs.loc.gov/folklife/2014/07/ring-around-the-rosie-metafolklore-rhyme-and-reason/ "Ring Around the Rosie: Metafolklore, Rhyme and Reason", July 24, 2014 by Stephen Winick
..."On May 16, 1939, in Wiergate, Texas, John and Ruby Lomax collected an interesting version for the Library of Congress, from a group of African American schoolgirls. You can hear it in the player below. The words were as follows:

Ring around a Rosey
Pocketful o’ posies
Light bread, sweet bread, squat!
Guess who she told me, tralalalala
Mr. Red was her lover, tralalalala
If you love him, hug him!
If you hate him, stomp!
Ring Round A Rosey

Ring Round Rosey
AFC 1939/001: AFS 02656b01
Burkeville, Texas, 1939-05-16.
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The "If you love him/hug him! / If you hate him, stomp!" lines in this rhyme remind me of some of the lines in the 1950s version of Green Sally Up" that are given above.

Maybe that version of "Ring A Round The Rosie" or other versions of that singing game that mention flowers and squatting down (instead of the later "all fall down" words) explains why Moby named his tune "Flowers".

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INFORMATION ABOUT MUSICIAN MOBY AND HIS "FLOWER" TUNE
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moby
"Richard Melville Hall (born September 11, 1965),[1] better known by his stage name Moby, is an American DJ, record producer, singer, songwriter, musician, photographer and animal rights activist...

In 1999, Moby released the album Play. The album had moderate sales after its release, but eventually went on to sell over ten million records worldwide a year later.[4] Every song on the album was licensed internationally to various films, advertisements, and TV shows, as well as independent films and non-profit groups.[28] Moby performed three times on Top of the Pops with singles from the album. Play mixes songs from Alan Lomax's 1993 Atlantic recording Sounds of the South: A Musical Journey From the Georgia Sea Islands to the Mississippi Delta. For the song "Natural Blues", Moby mixes "Trouble So Hard" performed by Vera Hall from the Alan Lomax Sounds of the South compilation.

In 2000, Moby contributed his song "Flower" to the intro of the Nicolas Cage remake of Gone in 60 Seconds.

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Moby - 'Flower' (Official Audio)



Moby, Published on Aug 1, 2014
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Here are a few comments from this YouTube sound file's discussion thread:
slick willie, 2015
"The vocals for this song were recorded by Alan Lomax in Mississippi back during the 1950's. The vocals were sung by Maddie Gardner, Mary Gardner and Jesse Lee Pratcher and it was sung accapella (without musical instruments). Moby added the musical instruments much later for this movie (and did an excellent job, I might add) At any rate, my dad bought the album back in the 60's and I used to listen to this song as a kid growing up. I still have that album to this day. btw, the name of the song is "Green Sally Up" not "Bring Sally Up"."
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Click http://lyrics.wikia.com/wiki/Moby:Flower for a a transcription of the lyrics for Moby's Flower. That transcription erroneously gives the title and lyrics as "Bring Sally Up" instead of "Green Sally Up" and "Lift and squat" instead of "Last one squat".

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Eric King, 2016
"i dont get it? why is this a workout song? why is everyone saying this song makes it hard to exercise or something?"

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Ricardo Chalo, 2016
"Rich Froning (Crossfit Athlete) made a challenge workout with this song, other athletes or coaches from other sports did it too. So people are relating this song to workouts."

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James STEVENS, 2016
"+Eric King when he says down you go down, such as the bottom of a squat or pushup. You hold the down position until he says up, and you follow along."

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ADDENDUM: GREEN COLOR UP (a contemporary circle game)
(created by Azizi Powell, 1990, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)

Performance Directions For "Green Color Up":
1. Players form a large circle.

2. A person is designated as the "Caller". The same person remains the caller throughout the entire rendition of this game.

3. The Caller calls out the color "Green". (If no one in the group has on an outfit with the color "green", the game start with another color).

4. Everyone who has the color "green" on quickly moves to the center of the circle. (People wearing an outfit that has that color can also remain where they are if they so choose.) **

5. Everyone claps their hands and stomp their feet to the beat while singing.

6. The people who have on the color that is called out raise both of their hands in the air and sway back and forth while singing this portion of the song.

6. The people who don't have that color on, strike a pose while folding their arms.

7. The Caller randomly calls out another color. The people in the center of the ring who don't have an outfit on that has that color in it quickly leave the center of the circle. At the same time, people who do have that color on quickly enter the center of the circle.

8. Follow the directions that have already been given, and continue this pattern until all of the colors (for outfits in that people are wearing) are called out.

** I made this rule because I noticed that some children were shy about moving to the center when they were there alone, or even when there were other people in the center.

"GREEN COLOR UP" LYRICS:
Caller - Green!
Caller & Group - Green color up.
Green color down.
Green color all around the town.
If you have on green, just raise your hands.
If you do not, just fold your arms.

Caller- Yellow!
Caller - Green!
Caller & Group - Green color up.
Green color down.
Green color all around the town.
If you have on green, just raise your hands.
If you do not, just fold your arms.
-composed by Azizi Powell, 1999 (c)Azizi Powell, 1999

I created this game in 1990 after unsuccessfully trying to introduce "Green Sally Up" to the children in my Alafia Children's Ensemble game song groups. Unfortunately, I don't have any sound files or videos of this game.

I became aware of the 1950s "Green Sally Up" game after someone gifted me with the multi-CD Sounds Of The South album. Before teaching this game to the group of children and their accompanying adults (who attended these sessions and were always encouraged to join in the play), I explained its background and the meaning of the song's words. However, I gave up after several tries as I could see that the children didn't like the game and particularly had difficulty with the "last one squat gotta tear the ground" line. I think that might have been because "squatting down to the ground" is something that little children might be allowed to do in selected places outside when they have to pee and they aren't near any bathroom.

While playing "Green Color Up" some children would complain that another child or other children shouldn't go into the center of the circle because that child or children only had a little bit of a certain color in their shirt, pants, or hat. I redirected them, advising them to focus on themselves and not on other people. Also, some children wanted to count the color of their underwear. I told them that that doesn't count.

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Ranky Tanky (Music Ensemble) - "Green Sally" (2017 performance)



Tuesday, April 9, 2024

Examples Of The Children Singing Games "Ring Around The Rosie" And "Green Sally Up" That Include The Word "Squat"

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post presents a definition for the word "squat" and presents a few YouTube video examples of the squatting action and not the exercise squatting are included in this post.

This post also presents old forms of the singing game "Ring Around The Rosie" whose first verse ends with the word "squat" instead of the ending words "all fall down" which have been almost always used for that singing game since the mid 20th century.

In addition, this pancocojams post includes a sound file and word only examples of the singing game "Green Sally Up" that include the word "squat". 

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, historical, recreational, and educational purposes.

This post documents how the lyrics to children's singing games can change over periods of time and in different geographic areas and/ or among different populations.  

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to all those who are featured in these YouTube videos as well as the producers and publishers of these videos on YouTube. 

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DEFINITION FOR THE WORD "SQUAT"
Definition #1
https://www.italki.com/en/post/discussion-157773
[Squatting is] "simply a way of 'sitting' on our haunches when there is no chair available. We squat with our upper body upright and shoulders straight, and, with practice, you can squat for a relatively long time. In many non-western cultures, squatting may be a normal way to sit while working or socialising."

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Definition #2
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/squat
"to position yourself close to the ground balancing on the front part of your feet with your legs bent under your body:

She squatted on the ground and warmed her hands by the fire.

He squatted down and examined the front wheel of his bike."

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VIDEO EXAMPLES OF THE SQUATTING STANCE*

*"stance" = a "body position"

These videos which don't refer to squatting exercises are given in no particular order with numbers added for referencing purposes only. 

YouTube example #1-How to squat ft. little michael 



HealthandMoJo,  Jun 18, 2013

Want to learn how to squat?  Watch a small child squat.  It's a primal movement pattern that we all naturally perform.. that is until we get older and get lazy. haha.

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YouTube example #2 - Why Asians Can Do The Asian Squat | ASIAN BOSS (한글자막)



Asian Boss, Jun 13, 2016

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PART I- EXAMPLES OF "RING AROUND THE ROSIE
THAT INCLUDE THE WORD SQUAT INSTEAD OF "ALL FALL DOWN"

[Numbers added for referencing purposes only]

From https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=49672&messages=214&page=1

Subject: RE: Ring Around The Rosey's History??
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 05:48 PM

..."A version from Lomax and Lomax, 1939 Southern States Collecting Trip, from Wiergate, Texas:

Ring around a rosey, pocket full o' posies,
Light bread, Sweet bread, Squat!
Guess who she told me, tralalalala,
Mister Red was her lover, tralalalala,
If you love him, hug him!
If you hate him, stomp!

(Sec. 13, Merryville, LA and vicinity)

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Subject: RE: Ring Around The Rosey's History??
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 07:39 PM

..."A bit of a side issue: Most versions have the fall down or tumble down line. I quoted one from Louisiana, Lomax Coll., which has "squat." My wife, from Georgia, says it was always "squat" in her area. Is "squat" confined to the South or a part thereof, or is it more widespread?"...

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https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=49672&page=2

3, Subject: RE: Ring Around The Rosey's History??
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 03:35 PM

"In loking for the origin of "Ashes," I found the rhyme in "Lavender's Blue, 1954, book of nursery rhymes, compiled by Kathleen Lyons and Harold Jones, Oxford Univ. but as:

Ring-a-ring o' roses,
A pocket full of posies,
A-tishoo, a-tishoo!
We all fall down.

No information yet on who started the plague interpretation."

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4. 
Subject: RE: Ring Around The Rosey's History??
From: Snuffy
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 07:14 PM

"Dicho - that's the version that is common in Britain. It's the only one I've ever heard or seen."

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https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=49672&page=3

Subject: RE: Origins: Ring Around The Rosey's History??
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 11:21 PM

"In view of the constantly recurring speculations, it seems a good idea to post a variety of the versions, with dates. The earliest dated "Ring Around the Rosie" is ca. 1790 (and this reference can't be found now) as suggested in this rhyme from Massachusetts:

Ring a ring a rosie,
A bottle full of posie,
All the girls in our town,
Ring for little Josie.

Published 1883:
Round the ring of roses,
Pots full of posies,
The one who stoops last
Shall tell whom she loves best.

Also published 1883:

Ring around the rosie,
Squat among the posies,
Ring around the roses,
Pockets full of posies,
One, two, three- *squat!

(this one still used in Georgia in the 1930s. "Last one squats will be old Josie" is the end of one from Texas. Also see the one from Switzerland)

1840s, acc. to W. W. Newell:

A ring, a ring, a raney
Buttermilk and tansy,
Flower here and flower there,
And all- squat!

The above all from W. W. Newell, Games and Songs of American Children, 1883, (1903), Dover reprint.

Now a few from the other side; from the Opies, "The Singing Game."

1880s, Lancashire:

A ring, a ring o'roses
A *pocket full o' posies- *or bottle
Atch chew! atch chew!

1881, Greenaway, Mother Goose:

Ring-a ring-a-roses,
A pocket full of posies;
Hush~ hush! hush! hush!
We're all tumbled down

Shropshire, 1883:

A ring, a ring o' roses,
A pocket full o' posies,
One for Jack and one for Jim
And one for Little Moses!
A curchey in, and a curchey out,
And a curchey all together.

(Children curtsey at end. See the Italian one)

ca. 1900, Italy:

Gira, gira, rosa,
Co la più: bela in mezo,
Gira un bel giardino,
Un altro pochetino;
Un salterelo,
Un altro de più belo;
Una riverenza,
Un'altra per penitenza;
Un baso a chi ti vol.

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Ring a ring a roses
With the most beautiful in the middle;
Ring a pretty garden,
Another circle round,
A little skip,
Another even better,
A curtsy,
Another for penitence;
A kiss for the one you like.

1857, Switzerland:
Ring-a, ring-a, row,
The children go into the greenwood,
They dance around the rosebush
And all *squat down.

Above all from Iona and Peter Opi[es], 1985," pp. 219-227, "The Singing Game."
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I haven't come across any YouTube video examples of "Ring Around The Rosie" that include the word "squat" instead of the words "all fall down".  

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PART II - "GREEN SALLY UP" singing game

SHOWCASE YOUTUBE SOUND FILE: Mattie Garder, Mary Gardner, Jesse Lee Pratcher - Green Sally Up



IvchoBrasil, Published on Sep 13, 2009

A black children's singing game performed by a group of women in Como, Miss. [1950s] Moby sampled this song for his song Flower.

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LYRICS - "GREEN SALLY UP"
(unknown composer; collected from African Americans in Mississippi)   

Green Sally up
Green Sally down
Last one squat gotta tear the ground
Old miss Lucy's dead and gone
Left me here to weep alone
If you hate it, fold your arms,
if you love it, clap your hands.


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MOBY - FLOWER



LALAS DMR, Mar 3, 2017

In 2000, Moby contributed his song "Flower" to the intro of the Nicolas Cage remake of "Gone In 60 Seconds".

LYRICS:

Green Sally up 'n' Green Sally down
Last one squat gotta tear the ground
Old Miss Lucy's dead and gone
left me here to weep and moan

Song Meaning:

The lyrics used in "Flower" are sampled from an old African American children's song called "Green Sally Up," which shares similarities with the British children's song, "Ring Around The Rosie." This song is rooted historically in the slave culture of the American South and it was a song to entertain and occupy the children out in the fields. Like "Ring Around The Rosie," "Green Sally Up" has an accompanying game that's played in time and accordance with the lyrics. 'Green Sally' means 'little girl,' hence the first two lines direct the children to rise up and then squat down in rhythm with the song. "Last one squat gotta tear the ground" means, quite plainly, that the last child to squat has to help the adults with the cotton picking. It's assumed that this was not a literal rule of the game, but a threat of the "last one home is a rotten egg" variety. The lines, "Old Miss Lucy's dead and gone, left me here to weep and moan" is indeed a reference to the death of a slave 'owner', and in the original song is followed by the lines, "If you hate it, fold your arms; if you love it, clap your hands," which was a signal for those listening to indicate their feelings towards their 'master' by either joining in the rhythmic clapping that accompanies the song, or by refraining from doing so, which would indicate a measure of love/respect/complacency that the individual may have had for the 'owner'.

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WHAT I THINK "GREEN SALLY" MEANS IN THAT SINGING GAME
My guess is that "green Sally" meant someone who was young and/or inexperienced. In that sense, calling someone "green" is a mild insult (diss). 

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WHY THE WORDS "ALL FALL DOWN" REPLACED THE WORD "SQUAT"
The lyrics to "Green Sally Up" refer to a contest to see who was the fastest person to squat near the ground. The slowest person lost and had to "tear the ground". I don't know whether those words were taken literally or not. 

The words and the action "all fall down" replaced the words "squat" in the singing game "Green Sally Up" as the body position "squat" became less known because of urbanization, among other reasons. I think only a few children in the United States nowadays know what the body position "squat" means, but everyone knows what "all fall down" means. Plus, "falling down" in this song is both easy and fun to do.

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Monday, September 4, 2017

Two Versions Of "Green Sally Up", A Related Rhyme, & Moby's Tune "Flowers" (information, examples, & commentary)

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post provides an article excerpt about the 19th century African American originated children's rhyme "Green Sally Up" and showcases a 1950s and a 1970s example of that rhyme.

This post also includes an example of a 1939 African American children's rhyme which includes two lines that remind me of "Green Sally Up" and showcases the 1999 electronica'house record "Flowers" by Moby which includes loops of the above mentioned 1950s rendition of "Green Sally Up".

The Addendum of this post presents performance instructions and lyrics for a circle game that I created in 1990s that was inspired by the 1950s version of "Green Sally Up". The rhyme/song for that circle game has a similar tune and a similar textual structure as the 1950s version of "Green Sally Up".

The content of the this post is presented for folkloric, historical, cultural, recreational, and entertainment purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composers of "Green Sally Up" and thanks also to all those who are featured in these embedded sound files, and the online publishers of those sound files. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2025/07/sounds-of-south-1950s-recording-of.html for a 2025 pancocojams post about "Green Sally Up". Most of that post includes re-formatted content from this 2017 post, but that 2025 post also includes additional comments from the Sound Of The South recording of this singing game.

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EXCERPT ABOUT THE RHYME "GREEN SALLY UP"
From https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/5/1577996/-Morning-Open-Thread-Old-slave-children-s-song-Bring-Sally-Up Morning Open Thread - Old slave children's song: "Bring Sally Up." By Otteray Scribe
2016/10/05
..."Today, we have a mashup of a centuries old children's song. Not just any children’s song, but one by and for slave children in the old South. The meaning is obscure to most people. The original lyrics varied, because songs by and for children are not static. This is an approximation of the original:

Sometimes it was “Bring Sally Up” and sometimes “Green Sally.” It went on to the next line, “Last one squat gotta tear the ground." That was accompanied by dance like antics, where “Sally" referred to the little girls. They jumped and then squatted in rhythm to the song. Tearing the ground meant the last one to squat had to scrabble in the dirt with their hands.

The line, "Last one squat gotta tear the ground", is similar to the more modern phrase, "Last one to do it is a rotten egg," sort of teasing. The implication being that the last one to squat had to help the adults in the field, although it was a playground tease and not a serious threat.

The song goes on, "Old miss Lucy's dead and gone, left me here to weep alone." That verse meant the slave owner (or his wife), is dead. In the original song that verse is followed with the call, "If you hate it fold your arms, if you love it clap your hands." Obviously the kids who clapped along to the rhythmic beat of the song were glad that Old Miss Lucy has died, and the ones who didn't were showing a measure of respect for her....

The iconoclastic singer, Moby, who is white, manages to capture the rhythm and feel of the old slave song. …which he has titled, Flower. “

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LYRICS: GREEN SALLY UP
Example #1:
(Mattie Garder, Mary Gardner, Jesse Lee Pratcher; 1958 rendition from Cosmo, Mississippi in Sounds of the South [4 CDs]), edited by Alan Lomax, released 1993

Green Sally up
Green Sally down
Last one squat gotta tear the ground
Old miss Lucy's dead and gone
Left me here to weep alone
If you hate it, fold your arms,
if you love it, clap your hands.

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Example #2:
(From Step It Down: Games, Plays, Songs, and Stories from the Afro-American Heritage by Bessie Jones and Bess Lomax Hawes, published, 1972)

Green Sally up, Green Sally down
Green Sally bake her possum brown.

Asked my mama for fifteen cents
to see the elephant jump the fence.
He jumped so high, he touched the sky
He never got back till the fourth of July.

You see that house upon that hill,
That's where me and my baby live.

Oh the rabbit in the hash come a-stepping in the dash,
With his long-tailed coat and his beaver on.
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From http://www.culturalequity.org/alanlomax/ce_alanlomax_profile_jonesb.php "Bessie Jones" by Peter Stone and Ellen Harold
...."Significantly, Bess Lomax Hawes, in her introduction to Step It Down, written jointly with [Bessie] Jones, emphasized Jones’s essential role, not as a carrier and documenter of folklore, but as a teacher; for such she felt herself to be. She was deeply aware of the socializing and educative function of the songs, plays, and movement games she remembered from her childhood:

The children, they don’t even know how to play those things now, see. But it’s just good fun games, keeps you out of devilment, keeps you from fighting. I never had fights with children when I was little — didn’t have time to fight, we had to play. When we wasn’t eating or sleeping or working — and so that was it. But now they got time to talk about the grown things. —Step It Down: Games, Plays, Songs, and Stories from the Afro-American Heritage (1972; reprint, Athens, University of Georgia Press, 1987), p. 172
The games, mostly from the British Isles, had been widespread among Southern black and white populations as a way to circumvent religious prohibitions against physical movement and dancing. As adapted by African-Americans they served as an important vehicle to transmit traditional African-derived dance movement and rhythmic styles that promoted group cohesion, nurtured individual virtuosity, and, as Bessie realized, helped make the players physically and mentally stronger. The songs, games, and stories of the past were a “spiritual survival kit,” in Bessie’s case, connecting her with the beloved figures of the past. To keep their memory alive she sought out young people to teach them to."
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This 1972 published version of "Green Sally Up" is from a book about the play traditions of African Americans from the Georgia Sea Islands. This version of "Green Sally Up" includes lines from the African American originated rhymes "Miss Mary Mack" and "I Love Coffee, I Love Tea". I believe that the lines "Green Sally bake her possum brown" and "the rabbit in the hash" are from other traditional African American folk songs/rhymes, although I've not yet found any other examples of rhymes or songs that include that phrase or that verse.

In the context of this rhyme, Green Sally" means a young, inexperienced girl. "Greenhorn" is a similar use of the word "green".

The "bake her possum brown" phrase refer to the old custom among poor Black (and probably also poor non-Black) people in the Southern region of the United States of hunting opossum and rabbits, and cooking them to supplement their meager diets.
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Read the Addendum below for a singing game called "Green Color Up" that I created in 1990. That game was inspired by the 1950s version of "Green Sally Up".

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SHOWCASE YOUTUBE SOUND FILE: Mattie Garder, Mary Gardner, Jesse Lee Pratcher - Green Sally Up



IvchoBrasil, Published on Sep 13, 2009

A black children's singing game performed by a group of women in Como, Miss. [1950s] Moby sampled this song for his song Flower.
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Here are several comments from this sound file's discussion thread. These comments are numbered for referencing purposes only.

1. LionArmor9, 2011
..."Ask someone in the South and they'll tell you... They don't like the song because it's considered slave music but it is Last one squat gotta tear the ground... What sense would it make to say lift and squat gotta tear the ground."

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2. Ali Mo, 2012
"Because this is an old slave song/hang jive song that was passed down orally there are a lot of versions/variations, although the lyrics for this one are pretty clear. Another version includes "Green Sally up, Green Sally down, Green Sally baked her possum brown. She asked her mama for fifty cents, to see the elephant jump the fence, They jumped so high, they reached the sky, and didn't come back till the Fourth of July." Similar to Miss Mary Mack oddly enough... don't know what that is about"

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3. redplague888, 2011
"Ohhh, so this is where Moby sampled this from.
Classic! I like these folk songs from back in the day."

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4. furioushazaa, 2016
"Does Moby's song say "bring" or "green"... I've seen conflicting websites.."

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5. HNTR KLLR, 2016
"it's a sample of this so it says GREEN"

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A POSSIBLY RELATED RHYME
From https://blogs.loc.gov/folklife/2014/07/ring-around-the-rosie-metafolklore-rhyme-and-reason/ "Ring Around the Rosie: Metafolklore, Rhyme and Reason", July 24, 2014 by Stephen Winick
..."On May 16, 1939, in Wiergate, Texas, John and Ruby Lomax collected an interesting version for the Library of Congress, from a group of African American schoolgirls. You can hear it in the player below. The words were as follows:

Ring around a Rosey
Pocketful o’ posies
Light bread, sweet bread, squat!
Guess who she told me, tralalalala
Mr. Red was her lover, tralalalala
If you love him, hug him!
If you hate him, stomp!
Ring Round A Rosey

Ring Round Rosey
AFC 1939/001: AFS 02656b01
Burkeville, Texas, 1939-05-16.
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The "If you love him/hug him! / If you hate him, stomp!" lines in this rhyme remind me of some of the lines in the 1950s version of Green Sally Up" that are given above.

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INFORMATION ABOUT MUSICIAN MOBY AND HIS "FLOWER" TUNE
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moby
"Richard Melville Hall (born September 11, 1965),[1] better known by his stage name Moby, is an American DJ, record producer, singer, songwriter, musician, photographer and animal rights activist...

In 1999, Moby released the album Play. The album had moderate sales after its release, but eventually went on to sell over ten million records worldwide a year later.[4] Every song on the album was licensed internationally to various films, advertisements, and TV shows, as well as independent films and non-profit groups.[28] Moby performed three times on Top of the Pops with singles from the album. Play mixes songs from Alan Lomax's 1993 Atlantic recording Sounds of the South: A Musical Journey From the Georgia Sea Islands to the Mississippi Delta. For the song "Natural Blues", Moby mixes "Trouble So Hard" performed by Vera Hall from the Alan Lomax Sounds of the South compilation.

In 2000, Moby contributed his song "Flower" to the intro of the Nicolas Cage remake of Gone in 60 Seconds.
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My guess is that Moby named this tune "Flowers" to acknowledge the relationship between "Green Sally Up" and "Ring Around The Rosey" rhymes.

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SHOWCASE SOUND FILE: Moby - Flower (Official Audio)



Moby, Published on Aug 1, 2014
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Here are a few comments from this YouTube sound file's discussion thread:
slick willie, 2015
"The vocals for this song were recorded by Alan Lomax in Mississippi back during the 1950's. The vocals were sung by Maddie Gardner, Mary Gardner and Jesse Lee Pratcher and it was sung accapella (without musical instruments). Moby added the musical instruments much later for this movie (and did an excellent job, I might add) At any rate, my dad bought the album back in the 60's and I used to listen to this song as a kid growing up. I still have that album to this day. btw, the name of the song is "Green Sally Up" not "Bring Sally Up"."
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Click http://lyrics.wikia.com/wiki/Moby:Flower for a a transcription of the lyrics for Moby's Flower. That transcription erroneously gives the title and lyrics as "Bring Sally Up" instead of "Green Sally Up" and "Lift and squat" instead of "Last one squat".

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Eric King, 2016
"i dont get it? why is this a workout song? why is everyone saying this song makes it hard to exercise or something?"

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Ricardo Chalo, 2016
"Rich Froning (Crossfit Athlete) made a challenge workout with this song, other athletes or coaches from other sports did it too. So people are relating this song to workouts."

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James STEVENS, 2016
"+Eric King when he says down you go down, such as the bottom of a squat or pushup. You hold the down position until he says up, and you follow along."

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ADDENDUM: GREEN COLOR UP (a contemporary circle game)
(created by Azizi Powell, 1990, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)

Performance Directions For "Green Color Up":
1. Players form a large circle.

2. A person is designated as the "Caller". The same person remains the caller throughout the entire rendition of this game.

3. The Caller calls out the color "Green". (If no one in the group has on an outfit with the color "green", the game start with another color).

4. Everyone who has the color "green" on quickly moves to the center of the circle. (People wearing an outfit that has that color can also remain where they are if they so choose.) **

5. Everyone claps their hands and stomp their feet to the beat while singing.

6. The people who have on the color that is called out raise both of their hands in the air and sway back and forth while singing this portion of the song.

6. The people who don't have that color on, strike a pose while folding their arms.

7. The Caller randomly calls out another color. The people in the center of the ring who don't have an outfit on that has that color in it quickly leave the center of the circle. At the same time, people who do have that color on quickly enter the center of the circle.

8. Follow the directions that have already been given, and continue this pattern until all of the colors (for outfits in that people are wearing) are called out.

** I made this rule because I noticed that some children were shy about moving to the center when they were there alone, or even when there were other people in the center.

"GREEN COLOR UP" LYRICS:
Caller - Green!
Caller & Group - Green color up.
Green color down.
Green color all around the town.
If you have on green, just raise your hands.
If you do not, just fold your arms.

Caller- Yellow!
Caller - Green!
Caller & Group - Green color up.
Green color down.
Green color all around the town.
If you have on green, just raise your hands.
If you do not, just fold your arms.
-composed by Azizi Powell, 1999 (c)Azizi Powell, 1999

I created this game in 1990 after unsuccessfully trying to introduce "Green Sally Up" to the children in my Alafia Children's Ensemble game song groups. Unfortunately, I don't have any sound files or videos of this game.

I became aware of the 1950s "Green Sally Up" game after someone gifted me with the multi-CD Sounds Of The South album. Before teaching this game to the group of children and their accompanying adults (who attended these sessions and were always encouraged to join in the play), I explained its background and the meaning of the song's words. However, I gave up after several tries as I could see that the children didn't like the game and particularly had difficulty with the "last one squat gotta tear the ground" line. I think that might have been because "squatting down to the ground" is something that little children might be allowed to do in selected places outside when they have to pee and they aren't near any bathroom.

While playing "Green Color Up" some children would complain that another child or other children shouldn't go into the center of the circle because that child or children only had a little bit of a certain color in their shirt, pants, or hat. I redirected them, advising them to focus on themselves and not on other people. Also, some children wanted to count the color of their underwear. I told them that that doesn't count.

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