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Thursday, October 12, 2023

Definitions And Examples Of "For Real", "Fr", And "Fr Fr"

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post includes some definitions for and information about the slang terms "for real", "fr", and "fr fr". Some examples of these slang terms are also included in this post.

I'm particularly interested in documenting the use of these slang terms by people in the United States  Although no demographic information is provided for any of the examples that are quoted in this pancocojams post, I believe it's likely that most, if not all, of the commenters are from the United States.  

The content of this post is presented for linguistic and socio-cultural purposes.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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This post is part of an ongoing pancocojams series about the slang meanings of the word "real" in American (USA) culture.

These pancocojams posts documents the high value that was placed and still is placed upon being "real" ("authentic"/"genuine") in the United States. 

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/10/songs-that-include-word-real-in-their.html for the pancocojams post entitled "American Songs That Include The Word "Real" In Their Title" 

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DEFINITIONS FOR THE SLANG TERMS "FOR REAL". "FOR REAL?", AND "FOR REALS" 
These quotes are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only. 

Online Page #1
https://www.yourdictionary.com/for-real

"for real

adjective

Genuine, true or natural.

Is his story for real?

[source] Wiktionary

adverb

Genuinely, truly.

This recipe takes two hours to cook, for real!

[source] Wiktionary"

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Online Page  #2
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/384904/when-was-for-real-first-used-in-the-usa

.1. .."For real (adverb phrase)

 Really; truly :

 I'm gonna for real do it, right now

[1940s+; based on Yiddish far emmes, ''for true?'']

(The Dictionary of American Slang, Fourth Edition by Barbara Ann Kipfer, PhD. and Robert L. Chapman, Ph.D.)

edited Jun 15, 2020; CommunityBot

answered Apr 17, 2017; user66974

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2. ..."Claims that the expression "for real" has a Yiddish connection seem vindicated by the 1910 Bruno Lessing story and (to a lesser extent) by the Wentworth & Flexner's assertion in 1960 that the expression "Are you for real?" was popularized by Jerry Lewis (Joseph Levitch); Lewis's parents were (according to his Wikipedia article) "Russian Jewish."

The shortened, stand-alone question, "For real?" seems to have emerged much more recently. The oldest instance I found in a far from exhaustive series of Google Books search was from Danzy Senna, Caucasia (1998):

"Birdy Lee? For real?"

"Yeah, for real."

But that expression probably originated in the longer form of "Are you for real?" meaning "Really?" "
answered Apr 18, 2017; Sven Yargs
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This is an excerpt of a much longer comment. 

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Online Page #3
From https://www.netinfluencer.com/what-does-real-mean-on-tiktok/ "
What Does “Real” Mean On Tiktok?" By David A Published on April 18, 2023
"The Meaning and Usage of “Real” on TikTok

You’ve probably seen the question “Are you for real?” or “Is this for real?” pop up at some point while browsing TikTok.

But what does the word “real” mean?

TikTok users often use the word “real” to emphasize sincerity or authenticity.

In other words, they are simply trying to find out if you’re serious.

The slang expression emphasizes that you’re sincere and not acting or putting up a false front.

However, “real” on TikTok can have a variety of meanings, depending on the language and culture in which the term is used.

“Real” on TikTok also refers to content that represents actual events or experiences.

It is also used to express a down-to-earth attitude.

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The word “real” in the sense of originality and sincerity originated in hip-hop and AAVE (African-American Vernacular English).

Hip-hop culture has often emphasized realness, keeping it real, or staying true to oneself and one’s roots."...

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Online Page #4
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/for+real
"for real

1. Serious or legitimate.

Is he for real? There's no way we'll get all this work done by Friday.

2. Really. Often used as a question.

A: "I just got a raise!" B: "For real? Good for you!"

Is she for real going to put ketchup on her pasta?"

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SOME ADDITIONAL ONLINE EXAMPLES  OF "FOR REAL"."FOR REAL?" OR "FOR REALS"
These entries are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.

1.https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=for%20real 
"for real

are you serious

A. I Just won the lottery

B. For real?"

by Anonymous January 4, 2003


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2. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=for%20real
"for real

not for fake

(ie not false or misleading)

JStoves: For real?

JNA: For real! Not for fake!

by JNA May 18, 2007

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3. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=for%20real

" for real

Can be used in place of "yes."

"Are you coming to watch the jelly-wrestling Brian?"

 "For real, man."

by Ross October 14, 2003

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4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvrfLQhQvBAz "
New Orleans Mardi Gras 1992 Iberville Projects", published by Gank D, June 28, 2017
a. @JELew-yk3bm, 2022
"It's like Katrina took the whole new Orleans swag away...y'all had y'all own unique style and language

now the new generation be talking like new yorkers"

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b. Reply
@enyattalandreaux2286,2022
"@JELew-yk3bm  oh foreal?? Wow 🤣

but nawl we definitely still have our own identity and uniqueness for sure. The city is not the same the culture still remains"
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"Nawl" = "no"

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5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvqe5AHhmXg "
New Orleans accent tag ya heard meh" published by christie zacharie, Sept 3, 2014
@nola3058, 2022
..." "for true", is another (New Orleans) way of saying "really" or "for real"!?"

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6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjgV4OosZpk&t=74s "
9th Ward New Orleans" published by Book Multimedia, Jan 24, 2009
Recording Every Day Life  In The 9

@shavonesegura32, 2013
"I LUV MY CITY..C.T.C 4REAL...."
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Here's information on the abbreviation "CTC" as it relates to the 9th Ward of New Orleans, Louisiana: from https://www.epicroadtrips.us/2003/summer/nola/nola_offsite/FQ_en.wikipedia.org/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_9th_Ward.html
..."rapper Mr. Magic, "Mr. Ninth Ward" who popularized the initials "CTC," which stand for "Cross the Canal" refering to the Industrial Canal or "Cut Throat City".

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7, 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nrk8gZyfog "Shaggy--Keep'n It Real". published by jmill292, January 29, 2008
@duvalt87, 2023
"For real  I'll  be 36 Sunday and I was 13 in 2000 when this album came out This song helped me when I got bullied and had bad days in school"
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Pancocojams Editor's Note: Jamaican recording artist Shaggy's Reggae song "Keep'n It Real" is included in the 2003 American movie Holes, which greatly contributed to it being known in the United States.

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8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWUtG6UQeGQ "Real", published by Kendrick Lamar, July 24, 2008
@dariusjackson1929, 2020
"After hearing the outro this is the kind of stuff that will make you want to hug your momma and tell her you love her. For real."

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9. 
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fr&page=4
"frs

for reals🤞🏼

or for sure🤙🏼

kaylee: hey we need to kick it soon

deja: frsss"

by Got Nic? April 7, 2020

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DEFINITIONS FOR THE SLANG TERMS "FR" AND "FR FR"
Online Page #1: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fr
"Fr

Commonly used as an abbreviated way to say "for real".

Usually used in texting, as many people use as many abbreviations as possible.

It can be a form of agreement towards someone, or disbelief.

If you use it as disbelief you may put a question mark to emphasize that you're asking if they're being serious.

Friend 1: "yo dawg, my crush asked me out today!"

Friend 2: "fr?"

Ex. 2: )

Friend 1: "Damn it's cold outside, we might freeze to death."

Friend 2: "yeah, fr."

by FloofityOofity12 November 19, 2019
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The earliest example of "fr" that I've found online is from urbandictionary.com. That example is given as #2 in the "Additional Examples Of "Fr" section immediately below.

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Online Page #2
From https://later.com/social-media-glossary/fr/ "WHAT DOES "FR" AND "FR FR" MEAN? 
"FR (For Real)

FR, short for "For real", is a slang term that is commonly used to express agreement, confirmation, or sincerity.

How is “FR” used on social media?

FR is often used in casual conversation and on social media as a way of emphasizing the truth or importance of a statement.

For example, if someone says "I can't believe it's snowing in April," another person might respond, "FR, I know right?" This use of "FR" expresses agreement and emphasizes the unusualness of the situation.

The term can also be used to express sincerity or seriousness. For example, if someone says "I'm really sorry about what I said earlier," another person might respond, "FR, I appreciate that." In this context, "FR” emphasizes the genuine appreciation being expressed.

Where does the term FR come from?

The term “for real” originates from African American Vernacular and gained widespread popularity as an internet slang term in 2022."
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Pancocojams Editor's Note:
My guess is that the words "gained widespread popularity" means that is when that article's writer believes the African American originated slang term "fr" was widely picked up by White Americans. That slang term was probably used by African Americans before it appeared online.

The earliest urban dictionary.com entry for "fr" is 2003 (given as #2 in the "Additional Online Example section immediately below.). No demographic information is given for people who submit definitions to urban dictionary.com. However, it's likely that most of the people who submit definitions/examples to that online dictionary are White.  

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SOME ADDITIONAL ONLINE EXAMPLES  OF "FR" AND "FR FR"
These entries are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.

1.
.https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fr&page=2

"Frs

For reals

Jorge : did you do homework?

Alan : Nah that sh-t* too hard

Jorge : Frs"

by Serrano646 August 19, 2018"

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2. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fr&page=3
 "fr

for real

I heard you got canned yesterday?

Yeah, FR!"

by Curt Custer October 28, 2003

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3. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fr&page=3
"fr

"for real" (usually used online. And if used in real life by anyone, stay far away for them.)

Person 1: "Omg I should be doing homework but YouTube!"

Person 2: Ikr, fr."

by WorzndSuch December 15, 2015
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:ikr fr" = I know, right? For real"

"I know,right?" Is pronounced as a question, but it is meant as a confirmation of something that someone has just said.  

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4.
 https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fr&page=3
"FR

For Real

Im So Tired, FR.

by CrazyJosh205 July 11, 2008"

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5.  https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fr&page=3
"fr

for real

Dude that video u posted was beast.

Fr huh."

by rainbowchocolates January 18, 2015

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6.  https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fr&page=3
"fr fr?

used in many social medias when referring if someone is for real, for real.

Some guy : Bro i swear i just slipped into my grandma

You : Fr fr?"

by DjDamienDash October 27, 2022
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"Slipped into my grandma" probably means acted like or said something a grandma would say.

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7. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fr&page=4
"fr

a slang for "for real", usually brought up in texting to make the task easier/faster

"what? Fr?"

by Naa_ndaa March 21, 2017"

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8.https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fr&page=6
"fr

For Real

Person One: fr?

Person Two: fr 😂"

by ZYXWVUTSRQPONMLJIHGFEDCBA February 12, 2018

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9.https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fr&page=26
"fr fr

acronym for, "For real, for real."

"Naw but, fr fr, those people on Urban dictionary are using it wrong. Trying to invent new slang and sh*t. I thought it was for documenting slang that is already commonly used."
by MaltaIndia July 24, 2023

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10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gmmvFBGkjc "
Jamal - Keep It Real (Official Video) [Explicit]", published by UPROXX Video, August 10, 2018
@Eccentricities1, 2018
"I'll fr never get tired of old school, I swear."

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11. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gmmvFBGkjc Jamal - Keep It Real (Official Video) [Explicit]", published by UPROXX Video, August 10, 2018
@mohommadhabibi4616, 2020
"Fr? Fr? Fr? Fr?"
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This appears to have been written in response to this comment:
@spearPYN, 2020
"If thats your real pic then you definitely never lived it in mid 90s...I am 42 and was just a teenager in 95. I imagine a lot of people listening to this should be well in their 50s."

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12. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCv6pZceiRg "
Lil Tecca - Real Discussions (Lyric Video)" published by Lil Tecca,  Sep 22, 2023 @zachmozafari6225, 2023
"nah fr"
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"nah fr" = "no, for real"
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What this sentence means depends on context. It could mean, "No, yes" (I feel strongly about what was said.)

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13. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXKkAAW6SC0 Wu-Gambinos (Hidden Chambers Remix), published by Raekwon, Nov 6, 2014
1. @johnmckay1164, 2020
"Yo 4real"

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2. @kelvinboyd4847, 2023
"Meth started that classic every1 followed too wu the best 4real ..Rza got busy on this 1"

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14. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_20BvG3H6DY "Funkadelic - (Not Just) Knee Deep" published by koollatter, Feb 26, 2014
From the 1979 Warner Bros. album, "Uncle Jam Wants You"
@yogsenforfoth5948, 2022
"There was never anything like them before OR after. They really did come from a different planet, because they were so incredibly original."

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15. @diaclethian1, 2023
"Exactly these dudes were from another planet for real they weren't from here"

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4 comments:

  1. urbandictionary.com has two entries that I have read for the words "for real for real" and not just the abbreviation "fr fr". Like a number of urban dictionary definitions and examples, both of those entries have socially problematic references.

    Here's one of those entries from https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=for%20real&page=2
    "for real for real
    Used to imply complete seriousness. Honestly.
    For real for real, when I walked in the room, he was making out with the dog.
    by th3m0nk October 15, 2005

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  2. I believe that the idiom "for real for real" (either completely spelled out or in its abbreviated "fr fr" form has the same meaning as the old idiom "really and truly". I remember saying that in the 1960s (New Jersey).

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    1. Duplicating words strengthens the meaning of those words.

      I've also come across the use of "for real real" on urban dictionary with the meaning (that I'm paraphrasing) "really for real".

      Here's one example from that website (with amended spelling for the "s" word indicated by a dash and asterisk.)

      https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=real%20real
      "for real real
      a more expressive form of for real.
      This ganj is the sh-t*, for real real".
      by International Bad Boy August 29, 2005

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  3. Here's another example of the slang term "for true" from
    @akinayodele3055, 2020, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOGLLo60dzI "NEW ORLEANS LINGO 101 |HILARIOUS", published by Kee & Rell, Feb 18, 2019
    "In this video, we're explaining some of the slang words used in New Orleans and what they mean.

    A lot of these are new school N.O. slang words and phrases in this clip. But I'm more old school. Our words and phrases used to be:
    [...]

    "For Truth" or "For True"- like asking really or are you serious"...
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    This is part of comment #32 in this pancocojams post about "old school" Black New Orleans sayings <a href="https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2023/10/some-examples-of-old-school-black-new.html</a>.

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