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Friday, November 30, 2018

Comments About Singing Spirituals Using 19th Century Negro Dialect (an update of a 2014 pancocojams post)

Edited by Azizi Powell

Most of the content in this pancocojams post was first published in 2014.

My impetus for republishing this post is because of the statement given in italics below about Robert MacGimsey, a White American who was a collector and transcriber of African American Spirituals and the composer of two songs that are often mistaken to have been composed by Black Americans: "Shadrach" ("Shadrach, Meshach, and Abendego" and "Sweet Little Jesus Boy":

In her Arizona State University Archive Project 2013 "Processing the Robert MacGimsey Collection" Rinna Rem wrote that
Robert MacGimsey was born in Pineville, Louisiana. African American folk spirituals were embedded in his life since birth. He grew up on a plantation and his parents employed African Americans, many former slaves, for help in their house and on the farm. MacGimsey’s nanny, whom he referred to as Aunt Becky, sang spirituals to him as a baby. Many of the hired help on his family’s property became mentors of Robert’s. They always taught him songs and he even attended Baptist church with his “uncles” to participate in singing spirituals. Thus, his passion in life was to learn, document, preserve, transcribe and make accessible to the public African American folk spirituals from the American South. The book pictured above, [Lydia Parrish's] “Slave Songs of the Georgia Sea Islands”, includes music transcribed by MacGimsey. As a trained composer, MacGimsey transcribed these songs, previously transmitted via oral culture, onto paper. As a radio performer, he often sang folk spirituals on-air.

Again, keep in mind that MacGimsey performed pre-Civil Rights Movement, so although it would be best for the original singers to perform, the performers were probably barred from doing so. I believe MacGimsey was the best advocate for the singers as he could be in that pre-Civil Rights Movement era. For instance, on his 7″ tape reels, he labeled the singers individually. Often ethnomusicologists of that era didn’t treat their performers/informants as individuals, and thusly never gave credit where it was due. Instead, performers/singers/informants were just the “vehicles” of music, not recognized individuals of artistic expertise. MacGimsey, on the other hand, took great care to list the individual whom first taught him a song or the individual whom lent their voice to field recordings. Also, he aimed to maintain the dialect of singers in his transcriptions, while he considered other transcriptions as “white-washed.”
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I reformatted this excerpt to enhance its readability.

I'm grateful to Robert MacGimsey for his work in the area of African American Spirituals, and honor him for his musical legacy particularly regarding the two songs of his that I'm aware of: "Shadrach" and "Sweet Little Jesus Boy".

I also applaud and honor Robert MacGimsey for his stance on documenting the names of individual Black people who performed the songs that he collected (as is noted in that article).

I believe it was appropriate for the folkloric record for collectors of Spirituals and other folk songs to attempt to transcribe the words to those songs the way that people pronounced those words. Collectors of songs (and rhymes, chants, and cheers) should document as many details about those compositions as possible-including which words were (are) used and how those words were (are) pronounced. However, I don't believe that that means that Spirituals are "white washed" if they aren't sung using so-called "Black dialect" from the 19th and early 20th century. Note that in the early twentieth century (if not before) African American singers such as the Fisk Jubilee Singers didn't use dialect when they sang Spirituals.

In contrast to transcribing, for the purpose of singing and/or listening to these songs, my position is that some of the words to Spirituals should be updated to conform with contemporary usage and sensibilities.

The words to African American Spirituals aren't supposed to be completely fixed. Even if early on so-called Black southern American dialect was usually used for these songs, retaining "heb'n", "Lawd", and "de debil" (for instance) instead of replacing those words with "heaven", "Lord", and "the devil" detracts from the aesthetic experience of singing and hearing Spirituals by adding possibly offensive connotations and reminders of blackfaced minstrelsy's negative portrayals and perceptions of Black people.

Also, Black folks (in the USA) nowadays rarely ever say "heb'n", "Lawd", or "de debil" except for the code switching that occurs on purpose, for example, in some online YouTube discussion threads about old school Gospel songs.
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*This a longer excerpt from that Arizona State University Project essay is featured in this pancocojams post: https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/11/shadrach-shadrach-meshack-and-abendego.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. Part I provides information about Robert MacGimsey, the White American composer of the songs "Shadrach" (Shadrach, Meshack, And Abendego), "Sweet Little Jesus Boy" and some other songs.

Here's the complete 2014 pancocojams post on the subject of singing Spirituals using 19th century Negro Dialect (given with a few typographical corrections and minor changes in wording.)

I acknowledge that there are different opinions among African Americans and non-African Americans about the appropriateness of using 19th century "Negro dialect"* while singing Spirituals. For some people the question is one of preserving the authenticity of these Spirituals and not "watering them down". However, I'm much more concerned about how 19th century dialectic words may be interpreted as a reflection of the lack of respect for the intelligence and the literacy of African Americans in the past, and in the present. Perhaps if racism wasn't still so very much a factor in the present, I wouldn't be as concerned about how Black people are depicted in our songs.

The main reason why I don't like to hear Spirituals or any other songs in 19th century Negro dialect is because that dialect reminds me of black-faced minstrel songs. Those minstrel songs are heavy on Negro dialect and are full of highly offensive depictions of Black people. I admit that hearing songs that include 19th century Negro dialect-particularly when sung by non-Black people- makes me cringe.

Furthermore, not all Black Americans way back in the 19th century and the early 20th century used dialect. And the earliest Black touring groups who introduced Spirituals to the world didn't use dialect.

*I originally used the term "Black dialect" in the title of this post. However, I've changed that term to "Negro dialect" to be more specific about the type of pronunciation and words that I'm referring to. (After all, there have been and still are numerous "Black dialects" throughout the world and in the United States. Also, "Negro dialect" is the term that is usually used to refer to the 19th century pronunciation and words that I'm addressing.)

Here's an excerpt about this subject from www.jstor.org/stable/4145494
"The Use Of Dialect In African- American Spirituals, Popular Songs, and Folk Songs" by J Graziano - ‎ Black Music Research Journal © 2004 Center for Black Music Research - Columbia College Chicago - ‎ p. 261
"The presence of vocal works that use dialect in African American culture has been a controversial and difficult area of inquiry for those investigating the phenomenon. Dialect was first heard in the minstrel shows that toured the United States and Europe before the Civil War (Mahar 1999). They continued to be performed as well after the Civil war, although not as frequently by professional groups. Textually, many minstrel songs presented derogatory caricatures of African Americans and slave culture known from its depiction of southern plantations. By the 1870s African American dialect was still heard, most often in minstrelsy, although probably also in some sacred repertory as well.

While spirituals and jubilees sung in church may have used dialect, existing evidence suggest that touring college groups such as the Fisk Jubilee Singers and the Hampton Students avoided the use of dialect when they performed spirituals as part of their programs…Undoubtedly the use of standard English in these publications and public performances reflected a desire to demonstrate that African Americans were educated and could sing and speak in standard English.
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I reformatted and added italics to this excerpt to highlight those sentences.

Here's another quote on this topic from "American Negro Folk-Songs" by Newman Ivey White - 1928 [Page 27 - Google Books] books.google.com/books?isbn=0674012593
"Dialect may be considered a characteristic of the spirituals and the older secular song, but Negro dialect was never so standard or consistent as dialect writers have made it and it is now so obviously on the wane and so obviously (where it exists at all) merely a mixture of ordinary illiterate English with a few dialect survivals that it is no longer a very significant element, except in a few localities such as eastern South Carolina*.
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*Eastern South Carolina is where African Americans known as "Gullahs" people are from.
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Pancocojams Editor's comments:
When it comes to 19th century "Negro dialect", I believe that less is best. In my opinion, it's better (and more socially appropriate) to convert old time dialectic words which are no longer used in conversational speech to the forms that are now commonly used by African Americans and non-African Americans. For example, words such as "de", "dem", "dose", heb'n", "chillun” and "gwine" should be changed to "the", "them", "those", "heaven", "childen", and "gonna" or "going to".

Also, "dis" should be changed to "this", "der" to "there", "dor" to "door", "jes" to "just". I believe that the word "mammy" and "massa" are highly offensive to Black people and should be changed in songs to "mother" and "Master" (note the custom of capitalizing words that refer to God and Jesus.) Furthermore, the words "Lawd" and "Lawdy" should be changed to "Lord".** And the word "heben" should be sung as "heaven".

However, it's appropriate and preferable to continue to sing dialectic or informal English words which are still used in general African American/American conversation. For instance, the word "ain't" shouldn't be changed to "am not" in the line "I ain't gonna study war no more". Also, the word "got" shouldn't be changed to "have" in the line "I got shoes". And the word "'round" shouldn't be changed to "around" in Spirituals. Notice that that word isn't changed in the folk song "She'll be comin' round the mountain when she comes."

Furthermore, I believe that singers should retain the "a" that is added for rhythmical purposes to words such as "a-turnin'". And singers can continue to drop the final consonant in the words such as "turning" and "morning". If the final letter is dropped, that line would be "There's a little wheel a-turnin in my heart." and not "There's a little wheel a-turning in my heart".

Also, I believe that singers shouldn't pronounce "gettin'" as "getting" or "mornin' and "morning" in the Spiritual "In That Great Gettin' Up Mornin", as the words "gettin'" and "mornin'" are still often pronounced that way in contemporary (informal) African American's [and other Americans'] speech.

To each his or her own, but these are my opinions on this subject. And I believe that a number of African Americans agree with me regarding these suggestions for using and not using 19th century Negro dialect while singing Spirituals. It's my direct & indirect experience as an African American that we (African Americans) rarely use such dialetic language in our performances of Spirituals.

I'm interested to read what you think about this subject.

*It's also important to note that since the 1960s, the word "Negro" is no longer an acceptable referent for African Americans (Black Americans). Also, for various reasons, most African Americans consider "Negro" spelled with a lower case "n" to be highly insulting. However, "negro" may be purposely used by African Americans to refer to another Black person who is always seeking White favor, and/or otherwise talking and acting in ways that aren't in the best interest of Black people (i.e. "an Uncle Tom").

**That said, under certain circumstances, in online conversations and otherwise, some African Americans consciously "code switch" to long retired forms of "downhome" (Southern) speech including "dis" for this and "dat" for "that" and "Lawd" for "Lord". I refer to this conscious use of African American dialect as "Putting On The Black". Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2012/03/puttin-on-black-viewer-comments-about.html for a post that I published on that topic.

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The Larks (Black Gospel Group) On The Ed Sullivan Show In 1952 Performing "Shadrach" (Shadrach, Meshach, And Abendego)

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part III of a four part pancocojams series on the Gospel, Pop, and Jazz song "Shadrach". This song is also known as "Shadrack" and as "Shadrach, Meshach, and Abendego".

Part III showcases a YouTube video of a 1952 clip of the Gospel group The Larks performing "Shadrach" on the Ed Sullivan show.

Selected comments from this YouTube video are included in this post.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/11/shadrach-shadrach-meshack-and-abendego.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. Part I provides information about Robert MacGimsey, the White American composer of the songs "Shadrach" (Shadrach, Meshack, And Abendego), "Sweet Little Jesus Boy" and some other songs.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/11/the-golden-gate-quartet-shadrach.html for Part II of this series. Part II provides information about the song "Shadrack". This post also showcases two YouTube sound files of this song as performed by The Golden Gate Quartet.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/12/louis-armstrong-shadrach-and-brook.html for Part IV of this series. Part IV showcases a video of Louis Armstrong performing "Shadrach".

The content of this post is presented for cultural, religious, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Robert MacGimsey, the composer of this song. Thanks also to The Golden Gate Quartet for their arrangement of this song and thanks to The Larks for their musical legacy. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post. In addition, thanks to the publisher of this example on YouTube.

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SHOWCASE EXAMPLE - The Larks "Shadrack" Killer Gospel-Soul



FairDealDan, Published on Aug 25, 2006
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The summary for this video contains information that is disputed by some commenters. That summary reads: "Apparently there are two groups called The Larks, This one is NOT the one with Don Julian. This group the lead singer is Eugene Mumford. This tune gets better every time I listen...takes a while to appreciate since its so understated but the lead vocalist begins to "loom" awesomely after repeated listenings. And did Ray Charles get "Hit The Road Jack" from thos number?
Here are some comments from this video's discussion thread, with numbers added for referencing purposes only."
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According to , this song was performed by the Larks in 1952. This is a clip of the Ed Sullivan television series. (USA). The Larks' performed the Golden Gate Quartet's arrangement of this "Shadrach".

Here's some comments from this video's discussion thread (with numbers added for referencing purposes only).
1. K.J. O.DOHERTY, 2007
"would make the GOLDEN GATE QUARTET proud...tenor eugene mumford would briefly join THE GATES in their adopted Eupopean homebase....gene sang a stunning version of white christmas that appears on numerous GATES albums that were issued and reissued for decades throught europe....a briilant quartet it is wonderful to have this pricelees footage that captures their AWESOME talent"

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2. PhillySouth, 2007
"Say wait a minute Dan - are you talking about Gene Mumford's Larks or Don Julian's Larks? Two separate groups. This looks like Mumford's Larks and nothing to do with Don Julian, or do I have this backwards?"

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3. thegroupharmonyalley, 2013
"There were several Larks groups, two of which were related with Eugene Mumford. The Thurmon Ruth Larks, and then, the Eugene Mumford Larks."

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4. 8301969, 2015
"This is the second Larks group, the 1st group was Eugene Mumford-Tenor, Thermon Ruth-2nd Tenor, Raymond Barnes-1st Tenor, Alden "Allen" Bunn-Baritone, David McNiel-Bass, they did "My Reverie", "Darling" all for Apollo. This group of Larks is David "Boots" Bowers-Bass (King OdomQt./King Odom Four), Orville Brooks-Baritone (Jubilaires, Golden Gate Qt), Isaiah Bing-Tenor (King Odom Qt/King Odom Four) Orville Brooks is doing the lead this 2nd group recorded for the Apollo subsidiary Lloyds.. I also knew Don Julian and he was aware of the early Larks groups."

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5. thebigfist, 2009
"Actually there was a third group,called the Larks,a caucasian group.This is a great version of Shadrach,Meshach and Abednigo,the 3 Hebrew children who were placed in a boiling cauldron by Nebuchadnezzar for failing to worship his pagan Gods,yet they failed to burn!This was one of the earliest miracles recorded in the Bible."

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6. Rowoches, 2008
"This was a very popular song during the 1960's. Several quartets covered it, as well as groups like the Clara Ward Singers, and soloists like Louis Armstrong (as some people have already mentioned), Brooke Benton and Cleophus Robinson."

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7. Mrpachuko13, 2018
"Rowoches i think the soul stirrers also covered it"

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8. skypanther1, 2009
"This group evolved out of the amazing "Selah Jubilee Singers" and later formed the core of the equally stunning "5 Royale"

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9. hegroupharmonyalley,2013
"Very jubilee/spiritual style singing. Absolutely love indulging in this stuff. Real tight weave on the harmony, with clipped syllables. And one of the finest groups in vocal harmony history, no doubt…."

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10. gilgamess, 2009
"I am not the poster, but I first saw this on the USA Network as part of the "Night Flight" program. They used to show the old "Showtime At the Apollo/Harlem Revue" shows which were a combination of studio performances and Snader Telescriptions (when it's a Snader clip, look closely; you will see a short cartoon of curtains parting). There is no audience, but the performances are live in the studio. I have not seen this for over twenty years, so thank you very, very much Fair DealDan!"

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11. Philip Da Silva, 2009
"who is the one actually singint the lead on shadrack. I know it's not eugene mumford"

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12. thegroupharmonyalley, 2013
"This is lead of Orville Brooks, not Gene Mumford as indicated above.

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13. threadgillb, 2009
"Is it me or do I hear the birth of the Elvis singing style here?"

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14. moondogsballroom, 2011
" Excellent! I second the Elvis comment, he was actually a big fan of vocal groups both gospel and secular and both black (including the mills Bros.) and white (the Blackwood Bros.) so it's likely he did hear of this group."

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15. TheQuietCenter, 2010
"This track is cookin"

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16. hookalakah, 2010
"All of the great black gospel groups could light their fires and heat their skillets with very minimal accompaniment. A guitar or a piano--if that much--was all they needed to cook. And some sang a capella, of course."

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17. yoR Velcom, 2010
"still looking for the original. this is the closest."

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18. Hadas Hall, 2010
"No , Ray Charles got 'Hit The Road' from Percy Mayfield , who wrote it and recorded an early demo. Similar feel to this , like a thousand other tunes."
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This comment is a response to a question the publisher asked in his summary statement.

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19. yugojazz, 2015
"This is the Golden Gate Quartet's arrangement. They sang it in 1948 and it became a big hit."

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20. Austin Casey, 2015
"@yugojazz Good to know! I thought this was The Larks own. So many groups did this same arrangement."

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This concludes Part III of this pancocojams series.

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The Golden Gate Quartet - "Shadrach" (information, lyrics, & comments)

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II of the four part pancocojams series on the song Gospel, Pop, and Jazz song "Shadrach". This song is also known as "Shadrack" and as "Shadrach, Meshach, and Abendego".

Part II provides information about the song "Shadrack". This post also showcases a YouTube sound file of this song as performed by The Golden Gate Quartet.

Lyrics for this song (as sung by The Golden Gate Quartet) and selected comments from one of the discussion threads of these YouTube examples are also included in this post.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/11/shadrach-shadrach-meshack-and-abendego.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. Part I provides information about Robert MacGimsey, the White American composer of the songs "Shadrach" (Shadrach, Meshack, And Abendego), "Sweet Little Jesus Boy" and some other songs.

A sound file of "Shadrach" as performed by Louis Armstrong and a video of "Sweet Little Jesus Boy" as performed by Mahalia Jackson are also included in Part I of this series. The arrangements and some of the lyrics for these renditions may differ from Robert MacGimsey's compositions.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/11/the-larks-black-gospel-group-on-ed.html for Part III of this series. Part III showcases a YouTube video of a 1952 clip of the Gospel group The Larks performing "Shadrach" on the Ed Sullivan show.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/12/louis-armstrong-shadrach-and-brook.html for Part IV of this series. Part IV showcases a video of Louis Armstrong performing "Shadrach".

The content of this post is presented for cultural, religious, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Robert MacGimsey, the original composer of the song "Shadrach". Thanks also to The Golden Gate Quartet for their musical legacy and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. In addition, thanks to the publisher of this example on YouTube.

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INFORMATION ABOUT THE GOLDEN GATE QUARTET
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Gate_Quartet [retrieved on November 30, 2018]
The Golden Gate Quartet (a.k.a. The Golden Gate Jubilee Quartet) is an American vocal group. It was formed in 1931 and, with changes in membership, remains active. It is the most successful of all of the African-American gospel music groups who sang in the jubilee quartet style.

The group was founded as the Golden Gate Jubilee Singers in 1934, by four students at Booker T. Washington High School in Norfolk, Virginia.

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From 1935, the group sang in churches and on local radio, gaining a regular spot on radio station WIS in Columbia, South Carolina in 1936.[2][6] They began as a traditional jubilee quartet, combining the clever arrangements associated with barbershop quartets with rhythms borrowed from the blues and jazz like scat singing. They developed a broad repertoire of styles – from Owens' mournful, understated approach in songs such as "Anyhow" or "Hush, Somebody's Calling My Name", to the group's highly syncopated arrangements in "Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego"...

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INFORMATION ABOUT THE SONG "SHADRACK"
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadrack_(Robert_MacGimsey_song)
"Shadrack" (aka "Shadrach" or "Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego") is a popular song written by Robert MacGimsey in the 1930s and performed by Louis Armstrong and others. In 1962 the song was a hit single for Brook Benton, peaking at #19 in Billboard's Hot 100 chart during the week of February 17, 1962.[1]

The song is featured on pop, soul, Gospel and jazz recordings by The Ames Brothers, The Golden Gate Quartet, The Fairfield Four, The Larks, Benny Goodman, Grant Green, Bill Holman, Sonny Rollins, Bobby Scott, Phil Harris, Kay Starr, Louis Prima and several others.[2][3] In the 1951 film The Strip, the song is performed by a band featuring Louis Armstrong and Jack Teagarden, among others.

The lyrics refer to the biblical account of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego and the fiery furnace.

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Music

...1962: "Shadrack," a song written by Robert MacGimsey and recorded by him in 1931, was a top 20 hit for Brook Benton. The song had previously been performed by The Golden Gate Quartet (1947), The Larks (1952), Phil Harris and The Sportsmen Quartet (1952), Bobby Scott (1955), Louis Armstrong (1958), The Wanderers (under the title "Shadrach Meshack and Abednego") (1959), and others"....
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Here's an exchange in a discussion thread for a video of The Larks performing this son on the Ed Sullivan (American television series).*
yugojazz, 2015
"This is the Golden Gate Quartet's arrangement. They sang it in 1948 and it became a big hit."
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*Part III of this pancocojams series on Shadrach showcases a video of The Larks singing that song in 1952 on the Ed Sullivan television show.
REPLY
Austin Casey, 2015
"@yugojazz Good to know! I thought this was The Larks own. So many groups did this same arrangement."
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Part III of this pancocojams series on the song "Shadrach" showcases that film clip of The Larks and includes this exchange and other selected comments from that YouTube video's discussion thread.

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LYRICS
(as recorded by the Golden Gate Quartet)*
Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo
(Da-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo)
(Da-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo)
(Da-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo)
(Da-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo)
(Da-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo)
Now , there were three children from the land of Israel
(Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego)
They took a little trip into the land of Babylon
(Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego)
Nebuchadnezzar was the king of Babylon
(Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego)
they took a lot of gold and they made him an idol
(Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego)

Well, they told ev'rybody when they heard the music of the cornet (Oh yeah)
Oh, they told ev'rybody when they heard the music of the flute (Ooh-ooh)
Well they told ev'rybody when they heard the music of the horn
Great God says you got to bow down and worship the idol
(Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego)
But the children of Israel would not bow down
(Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego)
You couldn't fool them with a golden idol
(Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego)
I said you couldn't fool them with a golden idol
(Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego)
So the king put the children in the fiery furnace
(Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego)
Great God, he heaped on coal and red-hot brimstone
(Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego)
Made it seven times hotter, hotter than it ought to be
(Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego)
And the Good Book says that it even burned up the soldiers the king had put there
(Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego)

Oh , Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, woo!

Then the Lord God sent him an angel
And he gave him a couple of wings
But he came on down to the middle the furnace
And he began to cool the flames
Them children go so happy
They went struttin' right through the fire
Just laughin' and singin' 'bout the power of the Gospel
(Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego)

Ohl, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, woo!

Then old Nebuchadnezzar said "Hey there"
When he saw the power of the Lord
They had a big time in the land of Babylon
(Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego)

Oh, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego!
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*This is my transcription of the lyrics for this song. This transcription corrects a few lyrics that are given on https://www.flashlyrics.com/lyrics/louis-prima/shadrack-19
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That same page includes lyrics for this song "as performed by [Italian American singer] Louis Prima". However, the transcription for Louis Prima's rendition of that song [also] isn't completely accurate.

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SHOWCASE EXAMPLES - Golden Gate Quartet - Shadrack, 1955



SyberkaPL, Published on Oct 14, 2010

Frank Todd (solo), Orlandus Wilson, Clyde Riddick, Clyde Wright

Original released EP 45rpm record from 1955 with songs recorded in the same year. This is first session of GGQ in Europe, in Paris.
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Here are a few comments from this sound file's discussion thread(with numbers assigned for referencing purposes only)
1. tuporstar, 2013
"Elvis is on record saying this was his favourite childhood group... and you can hear it- he's basically lifted his whole vocal style from them, I'm stunned."

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2. xMiStyleZ, 2013
"pitbull has a song sound like that..i guess he just stole chorus...."

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3. Evan Howard, 2016
"Caravan Palace took this song and cut it up like crazy for their song Clash."

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4. kirby gamez, 2017
"1:59 is the part Caravan Palace used in Clash. You're welcome."

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This concludes Part II of this pancocojams series on the song "Shadrach".

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"Shadrach" (Shadrach, Meshack, And Abendego) & "Sweet Little Jesus Boy" - Two Songs By Robert MacGimsey Which Are Mistakenly Thought To Have A Black Composer

Edited by Azizi Powell

This serves as Part I of a four part pancocojams series on the Gospel, Pop, and Jazz song "Shadrack".

This post is also the first post is an ongoing pancocojams series on songs that are mistakenly thought to have Black composers. Other posts in the pancocojams series about songs that are mistakenly thought to have Black composers can be found by clicking the link that is given below.

This pancocojams post provides information about Robert MacGimsey, the White American composer of the songs "Shadrach" (Shadrach, Meshack, And Abendego), "Sweet Little Jesus Boy" and some other songs.

A sound file of "Shadrach" as performed by Louis Armstrong and a video of "Sweet Little Jesus Boy" as performed by Mahalia Jackson are also included in Part I of this series. The arrangements and some of the lyrics for these renditions may differ from Robert MacGimsey's compositions.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/11/the-golden-gate-quartet-shadrach.html for Part II of this series.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/11/the-larks-black-gospel-group-on-ed.html for Part III of this series. Part III showcases a YouTube video of a 1952 clip of the Gospel group The Larks performing "Shadrach" on the Ed Sullivan show.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/12/louis-armstrong-shadrach-and-brook.html for Part IV of this series. Part IV showcases a video of Louis Armstrong performing "Shadrach".

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All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Robert MacGimsey for his musical legacy. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post.

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INFORMATION ABOUT ROBERT MACGIMSEY
Excerpt #1:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_MacGimsey
"Robert MacGimsey (Pineville, Louisiana 1898 - Phoenix, Arizona 1979) was an American composer. His most famous song was "Sweet Little Jesus Boy" (1934), a well-known Christmas carol written in the style of an African-American spiritual. MacGimsey also composed "Shadrack," which was a 1962 hit for Brook Benton that was also recorded by Louis Armstrong and many others.

MacGimsey is also known for the song "How Do You Do?" which was originally written for the Walt Disney live-action musical drama Song of the South. The song is also featured in the theme-park attraction Splash Mountain located in Disneyland, Walt Disney World, and Tokyo Disneyland.

Born in Pineville, Louisiana, of white parents, Robert MacGimsey spent most of his formative years in the company of blacks who lived and worked for and with his family. Due to their influence he wrote in an "African American" style, and he is often mistakenly assumed to be a black composer."....

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Excerpt #2:
From https://dhcfellow2013asu.wordpress.com/2013/07/30/slave-songs-of-the-georgia-sea-islands-by-lydia-parrish/
Arizona State University Archive Project 2013
Rinna Rem's Fellowship
Processing the Robert MacGimsey Collection
Image | Posted on July 30, 2013 by Rinna
"Robert MacGimsey (1898-1979) was a lawyer, composer, whistler, radio performer, and in my eyes, an ethnomusicologist. He followed his father’s footsteps and practiced law, but MacGimsey’s passion was always music. His popular compositions include “Shadrack” and the Christmas song “Sweet Little Jesus Boy.” ...MacGimsey was so popular for his whistling that, at the time of the Depression, he was the highest paid performer ever. He was paid $100/minute to whistle on the radio!... What intrigues me the most, though, is MacGimsey’s lifelong project of documenting and preserving African American folk spirituals.

[...]

Robert MacGimsey was born in Pineville, Louisiana. African American folk spirituals were embedded in his life since birth. He grew up on a plantation and his parents employed African Americans, many former slaves, for help in their house and on the farm. MacGimsey’s nanny, whom he referred to as Aunt Becky, sang spirituals to him as a baby. Many of the hired help on his family’s property became mentors of Robert’s. They always taught him songs and he even attended Baptist church with his “uncles” to participate in singing spirituals. Thus, his passion in life was to learn, document, preserve, transcribe and make accessible to the public African American folk spirituals from the American South. The book pictured above, [Lydia Parrish's] “Slave Songs of the Georgia Sea Islands”, includes music transcribed by MacGimsey. As a trained composer, MacGimsey transcribed these songs, previously transmitted via oral culture, onto paper. As a radio performer, he often sang folk spirituals on-air.

Again, keep in mind that MacGimsey performed pre-Civil Rights Movement, so although it would be best for the original singers to perform, the performers were probably barred from doing so. I believe MacGimsey was the best advocate for the singers as he could be in that pre-Civil Rights Movement era. For instance, on his 7″ tape reels, he labeled the singers individually. Often ethnomusicologists of that era didn’t treat their performers/informants as individuals, and thusly never gave credit where it was due. Instead, performers/singers/informants were just the “vehicles” of music, not recognized individuals of artistic expertise. MacGimsey, on the other hand, took great care to list the individual whom first taught him a song or the individual whom lent their voice to field recordings. Also, he aimed to maintain the dialect of singers in his transcriptions, while he considered other transcriptions as “white-washed.”

Now, what does ethnomusicology or African American folk spirituals have to do with dance? Personally, I see music and dance as imbricated and often dependent genres of performance. Turns out I’m not the only one, either! Check out the Society of Ethnomusicology’s section on Dance, Movement, and Gesture. African American folk spirituals were performed in multiple sites – while working outside, in private, and at church during the ring shout. A ring shout describes church worshippers shuffling and stomping in a circle together, often with ecstatic gestures. In an individual setting, folk spirituals might be sung while working outside on a plantation, the music providing rhythm (and solace) to the gestures of manual labor.

It was difficult to parse out MacGimsey’s transcriptions of folk spirituals from his original compositions (spirituals did influence his own song-writing), but I was able to identify transcriptions with the book Plantation Songbook: the Original Manuscript Collection of Robert MacGimsey. I highly recommend it to learn some songs, but it also includes short essays that reveal his personal relationship to folk spirituals and its performers and his passion for accurate documentation

[...]

Interesting fact: he was commissioned, as an “expert of Negro folk spirituals” by Disney to write music for the controversial movie “Song of the South.” He wrote many songs for the movie (I’ve seen the original manuscripts!) but only the song “How Do You Do?” made it into the movie.
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I reformatted this excerpt to enhance its readability.

The word "dance" that is given in italics was printed that way in that article. I added Lydia Parrish's name in brackets to this post.

Rinna Rem wrote "I’ll update when this collection is public"... However, I can't locate any update of that site.

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SHOWCASE EXAMPLES
Example #1: Louis Armstrong - Shadrack



Stra2M, Published on May 30, 2012

Louis and The Good Book

New York, February 6, 1958

MCA Records

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Example #2: Mahalia Jackson Sweet Little Jesus Boy



1joker88, Published on Aug 6, 2009

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Wednesday, November 28, 2018

Examples Of Black Fraternity Chants That Are Based On The "Mama's In The Kitchen" Verse From The Bawdy Song "Doing The Dirty Boogie"

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post documents two examples of historically Black fraternity chants that appear to have their source in the "Mama in the kitchen"* verse from the bawdy songs "Doing The Dirty Boogie" and "Ala Boogie".

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Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

WARNING: Some of the links provided in this pancocojams post include examples that contain sexually explicit references and/or profanity.

*Note: By coining the name "Mama in the kitchen" for these verses, I don't mean to imply that every song, or chant, or children's rhyme that includes the words "Mama's in the kitchen" is an example of or a variant form of this verse from the above mentioned bawdy songs or any other bawdy song.

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INFORMATION ABOUT "DOING THE DIRTY BOOGIE" AND "ALA BOOGIE" & THE VERSE FROM THOSE SONGS THAT IS THE SOURCE OF VERSES IN SOME OTHER BLACK FOLK COMPOSITIONS
"Doing The Dirty Boogie" and "Ala Boogie" are two African American originated bawdy songs from the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s that include a verse that I refer to as "Mama's in the kitchen". That verse is consistently found in examples of the African American originated hand clap rhyme "Rockin Robin" (also known as "Tweeleelee" or a similar sounding word).

Here are some examples of these verses in those two above mentioned bawdy songs or in the children's rhyme "Rockin Robin" (These examples are quoted in https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/11/documenting-some-examples-of-verse-from.html "Documenting Some Examples Of A Verse From The Adult Only Songs "Doing The Dirty Boogie" & "Ala Boogie" In "Rockin Robin" ("Tweeleelee") Hand Clap Rhymes")

Example #1: [from a bawdy song]
"I'm not sure of the title or how old this song is but I learned this much back in the 1930s.Does anyone have the rest of the lyrics or even heard it.All help really appreciated.This is what I remembered
Daddy's in the Whorehouse
Momma's in jail
Sis is on the corner
Hollering Boogie Woogie for sale"...
-Louie Roy 12 Sep - 10:47 AM, https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=84591 "Lyr Req: Boogie Woogie ???????????????"

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Example #2:
Songs of Raunch and Ill-Repute page 25 has something similar to the Boogie Woogie / Rockin' Robin:

ALA BOOGY

Mom's in bed, Pop's on top,
Kid's in the cradle yellin', "Shove it to her, Pop."
Ala Boogy -- That's all I crave.

Mom's in bed, Pop's in jail,
Sis's in the corner yellin', "Pussy for sale."
Ala Boogy -- that's all I crave.

Mom's in the kitchen, Pop's locked up,
My hunchback brother has my sister knocked up.
Ala Boogy -- that's all I crave""...
-and e, 22 Jul 08 - 11:30 AM, https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=84591 "Lyr Req: Boogie Woogie ???????????????"

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Example #3 [a version of the children's hand clap rhyme "Rockin Robin"]
Momma's in the kitchen cooking rice
Daddy's outside shooting dice
Brother's in jail raising hell
Sister's on the corner yelling pussy for sale.

(Rockin Robin...70's SE DC version)"
-Mint, Jul 21, 2005, http://www.afrocentriconline.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=33952&sid=20e079412142da6abbee2eb0ed11f670 "Childhood Chants/Songs/Clapping games.."

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Example #4 [a version of the children's hand clap rhyme "Rockin Robin"]
..."momma's in the kitchen,cookin fried chicken,daddy's in bed,half-way dead,sister's in school acting all cool/like a fool,brother's in jail eating fruit cock tail.!!
-Larasgun3, 2011, http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=VjGAwEEBn0c "Rockin Robin"

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TWO EXAMPLES OF HISTORICALLY BLACK FRATERNITY GROUP INSULTS/GROUP BRAGGING CHANTS THAT APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN AT LEAST PARTLY COMPOSED USING THE "MAMA'S IN THE KITCHEN" VERSE AS A MODEL

Note: Greek letter organization chants should only be recited or performed by persons who are affiliated with the specific organization from which the chant comes.

From http://onolympus.proboards.com/thread/1471

Post by Nupey on Mar 3, 2008 at 10:13am
All the sigmas in the Kitchen!
All the Q’s in jail!
All the Alphas on the Corner yelling Booty for Sale


I said sell it!
Sell It
Sell it
Sold to the Freaks in the purple and gold!

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Post by Robelite on Mar 5, 2008 at 10:21pm
"nupe, I think you got that chant...ALLL WRONG! The one I KNOW goes something like...

The ALPHAS in the White House sippin' champaign,
The SIGMAS on the farm, prayin' for rain.
The QUES in the alley drinkin' cheap ass wine,
and the KAPPAS on the corner sellin' ass for a dime!"

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EXPLANATION ABOUT THE REFERENCES IN THESE TWO CHANTS

Here's are explanations for these references (in the order of their appearance in these chants)
"Sigmas" = Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc.
Ques (Q's) = Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc.
Alpha= Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc.
Kappas =Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc.

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"the purple and gold" = refers to members of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc. (Their colors are purple and gold).

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"Nupe" is a referent for members of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc.

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Pancocojams Editor's comment:
These two chants refer to negative stereotypes about and group bragging images for four of the five historically Black Greek letter fraternities that part of "the Divine Nine".
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Pan-Hellenic_Council
"The National Pan-Hellenic Council (NPHC) is a collaborative organization of nine historically African American, international Greek lettered fraternities and sororities. The nine NPHC organizations are sometimes collectively referred to as the "Divine Nine". The member/partner organizations have not formally adopted nor recommended the use of this term to describe their collaborative grouping."...
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These chants don't refer to Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc. (whose members are known as the Iotas). That fraternity was founded in 1963 while the other eight organizations was founded in the 1930s and became members of the National Pan-Hellenic Council in the 1930s. However, Iota Phi Theta Fraternity didn't become a member of the National Pan-Hellenic Council until 1996. Perhaps because the Iotas have fewer chapters nationwide than other members of the Divine Nine, that organization isn't mentioned as often in "dissing" chants

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Also, based on his superlative depiction of the Alphas, I think Robelite is that fraternity.

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Examples Of The "I Went Downtown To Get A Stick Of Butter" Verse In Rockin Robin (Tweleelee) Rhymes

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest Revision: November 29, 2018

This pancocojams post documents the verse in the children's rhyme that begins with the line "I went downtown to get a stick of butter".

While it might be recited by itself, "I went downtown to get a stick of butter" most often is found as a verse in "Rockin Robin" ("Tweeleelee") hand clap rhymes.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric and cultural purposes.

WARNING: Some examples in this pancocojams post include sexually explicit references and/or profanity. The profanity is either given in spelling amended by the contributors or amended by this blog's editor. Also, some of the other examples in these links may contain vulgar, sexually explicit references, profanity, and/or forms of the "n word".

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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This post is a continuation of my analysis of children's "Rockin Robin" ("Tweeleelee") hand clap rhymes. Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2012/04/rockin-robin-tweeleelee-analysis.html Rockin Robin (Tweeleelee) - Analysis, Performance Activity, & Text Examples" for Part 1 of that series. The link for Part 2 (which features several videos of that hand clap game) is given in Part I.

Also click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/11/documenting-some-examples-of-verse-from.html "Documenting Some Examples Of A Verse From The Adult Only Songs "Doing The Dirty Boogie" & "Ala Boogie" In "Rockin Robin" ("Tweeleelee") Hand Clap Rhymes".

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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
For the most part, this pancocojams blog focuses on "clean" children's rhymes (rhymes without profanity, sexually explicit references, vulgar rhymes*, and/or rhymes without offensive racial or ethnic references).

However, this post provides some examples of "dirty" rhymes that children chant, either without any accompanying actions or while doing hand clap rhymes or (much less often since at least the 1980s in the United States) while jumping rope.

This post also documents some ways that children self-censor their "dirty" rhymes in front of adults.

My guess is that the "I went downtown to get a stick of butter" verse partially has its source in the "I went downtown to see Charley Brown" (or "Mrs Brown" or first name + last name Brown**) children's rhymes.

Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2017/01/multiple-examples-of-childrens-rhyme-i.html for the pancocojams post entitled "Multiple Examples Of The Children's Rhyme "I Went Downtown" (To See Charlie Brown)"

*One example of a Black children's rhyme that is vulgar and, therefore, won't be presented in this pancocojams blog, is "Ain't your mama pretty". Examples of that rhyme can be found on some online blogs that reminisce about Black children's rhymes discussion threads. Links to some of those blogs are given in pancocojams posts such as this one because of the clean (or relatively clean) examples that are also found in those discussion threads.

**I've found a couple of these rhymes that start with "I went downtown to see Chris Brown" (Chris Brown is a R&B singer].

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EXAMPLES OF "I WENT DOWNTOWN TO GET A STICK OF BUTTER"
These examples are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.

The "I went downtown to get a stick of butter" verse is given in italics to highlight it.

Example #1:
[I wrote this comment on 11/28/2018 and posted it in the discussion thread for the pancocojams post entitled The Adult Only Songs "Doing The Dirty Boogie" & "Ala Boogie" In "Rockin Robin" ("Tweeleelee") Hand Clap Rhymes.]

Here's my distinct recollection of a cultural session on West African folktales that I facilitated around 2001 in the Northview Heights area of Pittsburgh (which is some distance from the East Liberty area where I lived/live and where I had already collected some examples of what the children called "Tweeleelee" or "Tweedleelee").

I began my session on African folktales by talking about Black children's rhymes and other oral traditions in this country (the United States).

As usual, when I asked the children assembled at this session which hand claps they knew, lots of children raised their hands and/or just called out the title to "Tweedleelee" hand clap rhyme. I recall that I picked four children to come up to the front of the room -three girls and one boy. (Unlike a number of other hand clap rhymes, boys LOVED to chant this rhyme, but in my experience, they didn't like to do the hand claps in public as much as the girls did.) Tweeleelee was and still is usually performed as a four person hand clap rhyme. My plan was to pick two sets of performers, but for the second set, one boy who I selected decided not to go to the front of the room, and so that group only had three players. But that was okay since "Tweeleelee" is often performed with three players.

The children who were chosen and most of the other children enthusiastically chanted this rhyme. However, when the rhyme came to a certain point, one teenage girl (who I believe was an assistant at that community center) loudly yelled out "Squash!". All the children in the room -excerpt for one young girl-immediately stopped chanting. The teenager even more loudly said "SQUASH!" and the girl stopped chanting.

At that time I didn't know why that teenager wanted the group to stop sharing that rhyme with me. I remember an adult working there saying something like "They shouldn't finish that." At the conclusion of my cultural session-which included me sharing my adaptation of a West African folk tale with a song- I privately went up to the teenage girl and asked her would she share the rest of the Tweeleelee rhyme with me, but she declined to do so.

Some years later (around 2003-2004) I collected a version of "Tweeleelee" from some elementary school age girls in the East Liberty area of Pittsburgh that probably included that banned verse. Here's that verse:
"I went downtown to get a stick of butter
I saw James Brown sittin in the gutter
He had a piece of glass
Stickin in his butt
I never saw a black man run so fast."


Another time, one seven year old girl with a very strong personality told her two girl friends who were eight years old to say "butta" instead of saying "butt" in their version of "Tweleelee" that they were sharing with me (in response to my asking them did they know that rhyme.) Here's their version:
I went downtown to get a stick of butter.
I saw James Brown laying in the gutter
He had a piece of glass stickin in his butta
I never saw a Black man run so fast."


I asked why did she say "butter" and she said "because butt is a bad word".

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Example #2
ROCKIN ROBIN
swing swing swing to the usa
hey hey
rockin in a tree to
all day long
huffin and a puffin
and singin that song
all the lil birdies on jaybird street
love to here therobins
go tweet tweet tweet

rockin robin
tweet tweetalee rockin
robin tweet tweetalee

mama in he kitchen cookin fried rice
daddy oUt side shootin some dice
brothA in jail drinkin gingerale
sista roun te corner sellin FRUIT COCTAIL

rockin robin tweet tweetalee
rockin robin tweet tweetalee

batman and robin flyin in the air
batman lost his underwear
batmn said i dont care cause
robin goin to by me azillion more pair

rockin robin tweet tweetalee

iwent down town to getsum btta*
saw james brown sittin ina gutta
gotta piece of glass stuck it up his
i neva seen a black man
runso fast

rockinrobin tweet tweet alee
- j-mil; 3/19/2005 ; (African American male; Maryland), http://blog.oftheoctopuses.com/000518.php

*btta = butta (butter)

Note: This link is no longer active. blog.oftheoctopuses.com (also known as "Whee Blog") was a multi-page blog with a small group of members who knew each other off-line. My understanding from communicating by email with one of those members was that the page of playground rhymes was the only page that was open to non-members. I added several examples of rhymes on that page, and asked j-mill if he would share information about his race and state. Thankfully, he did so for the folkloric record.

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Example #3:
...remember hand games....

tweedle tweedle dee
treetop
tweedle tweedle dee
treetop
tweet baby tweet baby
your mama says

she rocks in a treetop
all day long
huffin and puffin
and saying a song
all the little birds
james bell street
love the little robins
go tweet tweet tweet

rockin robin
tweet tweet tweet
rockin robin
tweet tweet tweet

i went down town to get a stick of butter
and saw james brown sitting (people cursed on my block) in the gutter
i took a piece of glass and stuck it up his (you know what)
i never saw a (kids are mean) run so fast.

we even played that in college.
hmmm...those hand games were violent and had curses in them, huh?
holla at me if you remember
-MaMaBuddha; [African American female]; Harlem, New York, New York}; 7/31/2000]
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/archive/index.php/t-5627.html

Note: Commenters on this blog were members of Black Greek lettered sororities who lived in the United States and were sharing their memories of childhood games.

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Example #4
ROCKIN ROBIN
Tweet baby tweet baby,
my mama said:
shes rocking in the tree top
all day long
huffing and a puffing and singing that song
all the little girls on dainburn street
love to hear the birds go tweet tweet tweet,
rocking robin tweet twirly
rocking robin tweet twirly.
Batman and robin flying in the air
batman lost his underwear
batman says I don't care
mamas gonna buy me a brand new pair,
rocking robin tweet twirly
rocking robin tweet twirly,
I went down town to get a stick a butter
all i saw was james brown sitting in a gutter
took a piece of glass shoved it up his ahhhhh...
never saw a motha sucka run so fast
(crazy isnt it)
rocking robin tweet twirly
rockin robin tweet twirly,
went to the movies to see king kong
all I saw was a rubber ding dong
rocking robin tweet twiyly
rocking robin tweet twirly,
mothers in the kitchen cooking rice,
poppa's in the bathroom shooting dice,
brothers in jail raising hell,
sister's in the corner selling fruit cocktail
rocking robin (some children sing other parts not to sure what they are, the words were the same since I was young but now they add things that relate to their time)
-Guest KLC,(East Harlem, New York, New York, http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=63097 ; Folklore: Do kids still do clapping rhymes?; July 11, 2008

Editor:
In response to my request for demographic information, KLC posted this information on that same Mudcat thread:
"The children that play these games range from 5 - 12 years old. Both boys and girls play these games but girls are more into it and know a lot more hand games then the boys. The children that I see playing these games are Hispanic, African American, Caribbean, Caucasian and Asian because that is the population that I serve at my program."
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"(crazy isnt it)" is a comment and not a part of the rhyme.

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Example #5
Twee lee lee
Tree top
Twee lee lee
My bra *
Popscicle popscicle
Your breath stinks.

He rocks in the treetop all day long
huffin' and a puffin' and singin' that song.
all the little birdies on jay bird street
love to hear the robin go tweet tweet tweet.

Momma's in the kitchen, cookin' rice.
Daddy's outside shootin' dice .
Brother's in jail ringin that bell.
Sister's outside playing fruit cock tail.

I went to the store to get a stick of butter **
I saw Chris Brown*** singing in the gutter .
He had a piece of glass stuck up his sssh****
I never knew a Black man run so fast.

-Naijah S. (African American girl, age 9, Hazelwood section of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) ; January 14, 2011; collected by Azizi Powell

NOTES:
I had the good fortune of collecting several examples of rhymes from Naijah when she came early to an African storytelling presentation that I did in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

*After she shared other rhymes with me, I specifically asked Naijah did she know the rhyme "Twee lee lee". She said yes, she had been thinking of that rhyme [to share with me], but it wasn't a good rhyme. I said yes, I know what she meant, but I asked her to share that rhyme with me for the sake of the collection. Without any further hesitation, Naijah began reciting that rhyme.

Naijah was very reluctant to say the word "bra". When I reassured her that it was alright to say it for the sake of this collection, she spelled out that word. I repeated it out loud to make sure that that was the right word, and Naijah said that was right but that some of the girls who do this (and she said only girls did these rhymes) didn't like saying that word.

**Naijah ended her recitation with the "Mama's in the kitchen verse". I asked her did she know another verse, and she said yes, but that "It was bad". I again asked her to share "for the sake of this Internet collection". She then recited the verse that is found above.

***Naijah said that some girls say "James Brown" and others say "Chris Brown". She then said that line using the name of "Chris Brown" (who is a currently popular young African American R&B singer and actor).

**** Naijah said that this was a bad word. I asked her did she know what it was. She said yes, but that when they said this part, she and all her friends said "Sssh! (meaning "Be quiet").

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Example #6
"Do you remember this? If so, how does your rhyme go? A friend said she never heard the version I know. It's quite vulgar and can't believe we were saying this as kids.


Curious to see if it's regional or not. I'm a NY'er and she's from the south.


ETA: I'll share the complete ending later but here's the first part. "I went downtown to get a stick of butter. Saw James Brown sh!tting in the gutter. " Embarrassed
-Wynter, Aug 09 2012, http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/i-went-downtown-to-get-a-stick-of-butter_topic345408.html
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This was the beginning of an 8 page discussion thread in which people shared their memories of various rhymes. This commenter never finished this rhyme and very few other commenters (besides the one immediately below) indicated that they knew it.

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Example #7
"tweet baby tweet baby your mama says she rocks in a treetop all day long huffing and puffing and singing a song all the little birds on james bell street love the little robins go tweet tweet tweet rocking robin tweet tweet tweet rocking robin tweet tweet tweet
i went down town to get a stick of butter and saw james brown sitting in the gutter i took a piece of glass and stuck it up his azz
never saw a muthf&&ker* run so fast
lol
-Ikasuu, Aug 09 2012, http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/i-went-downtown-to-get-a-stick-of-butter_topic345408.html
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*This word was fully spelled out in this example.

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Example #8
Went downtown to get a stick of butter
I saw James Brown shitting in a gutter
I took a piece of glass
And shoved it up his ass
Never seen a motherf&&ker* run so fast!

-Michele Cunningham, July 23, 2015, http://fillthehours.blogspot.com/2015/07/da-bronx-sings.html
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*This word is fully spelled out in this example.

This was one of several "dirty" rhymes that were given in that post. This commenter wrote that she grew up in the South Bronx and East Tremont in the '70s. She wrote that she was surprised that many people outside of the South Bronx knew these rhymes. (Bronx is a borough of New York City.)

However, notice how many of the examples that I found online which noted the city where they learned this rhyme are from New York City:#3 (Harlem); #4 (East Harlem,#6 New York (no boroughs mentioned) , #8 (New York, (the Bronx), and #9 (Queens).

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Example #9
OMG!!! I LOVE THIS THREAD!!!! vixxen13 beat me to most of them but i remember a dirty one lmao ill censor it..

went downtown to get stick of butter
saw james brown sittin in the gutter
took a piece of glass
stuck it up his @..
never saw a m...f...er run so fast


:lol: we were some badddd kids we sang that after "rockin robin"
-EmpressRi, 07-24-2007 (location: Queens @ The Rotten Apple), https://www.nappturality.com/forums/threads/81695-Clapping-Rhymes-hand-Games/page3?s=22cc3a3cdb04b3126620bb29c3788153
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The Origin & Examples Of "Mama In The Kitchen" And Some Dirty Verses In "Rockin Robin"/"Tweeleelee" Hand Clap Rhymes

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest Revision - January 15, 2024

This pancocojams post documents a verse from the adult only bawdy (raunchy, nasty) songs "Doing The Dirty Boogie" and "Ala Boogie" that is the source of a verse that are often found in "Rockin Robin" ("Tweeleelee") hand clap rhymes.

Note [added November 29, 2018] I've coined the name "mama in the kitchen" for this verse. However, I don't mean to imply that every song, or chant, or children's rhyme that includes the words "mama's in the kitchen" is an example of or a variant form of this verse from the above mentioned bawdy songs or any other bawdy song.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric and cultural purposes.

WARNING: Some examples in this pancocojams post include sexually explicit references and/or profanity. The profanity is either given in spelling amended by the contributors or spelling amended by this blog's editor.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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This post is a continuation of a two part pancocojams series on "Rockin Robin (Tweeleelee)" hand clap rhymes.

Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2012/04/rockin-robin-tweeleelee-analysis.html Rockin Robin (Tweeleelee) - Analysis, Performance Activity, & Text Examples" for Part 1 of that series. The link for Part 2 (which features several videos of that hand clap game) is given in Part I.

Also, click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/11/examples-of-black-fraternity-chants.html for the pancocojams post entitled Examples Of Black Fraternity Chants That Are Based On The "Mama's In The Kitchen" Verse From The Bawdy Song "Doing The Dirty Boogie"

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THE HISTORY OF "ROCKIN ROBIN" R&B RECORD SOURCE ROCKIN ROBIN"/"TWELELEE" RHYMES
The song "Rockin Robin" was written by Leon René under the pseudonym Jimmie Thomas.

In 1958 African American Bobby Day recorded a version of "Rockin Robin" that 
became a number two hit on the Billboard Hot 100, and spent one week at the top of the R&B sales chart. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockin%27_Robin_(song)

In 1972 Michael Jackson recorded a version of "Rockin Robin". https://www.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/11nrig3/song_of_the_day_discussion_rockin_robin/ documents that that record  "was released as a single from his gold-certified solo album titled Got to Be There as a follow-up single to the song of the same name.

It was the biggest hit from the album, hitting number 1 on the Cash Box singles chart and peaking at number two on both the Billboard Hot 100 and the Billboard soul singles chart ".

I believe that the "Rockin Robin" hand clap rhyme was/is based on Michael Jackson's version of that song, in large part because of the lack of any examples of that hand clap rhyme before Michael Jackson's "Rockin Robin" record and the plethora of hand clap rhymes after that record was released.  

When I directly interviewed African Americans in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania people about children's recreational rhymes, one woman mentioned that she and her girlfriends did a handclap rhyme to Michael Jackson's "Rockin Robin" record "in the 70s". I've also come across this comment in some discussion threads for some YouTube videos of Michael Jackson's "Rockin Robin".

One commenter wrote that she learned a "Rockin Robin" hand clap rhyme in 1969 from Black girls:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uP38jUEhF8&t=22s "Bobby Day Rockin Robin"
@jeancoco1571, 2017
"The black girls taught us this clap game during the first year of integration in third grade. That was in 1969, in a small town in Louisiana.  I count clap games as one of the many fabulous lessons I learned from the desegregation of our public schools."
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While this comment has detailed references for dates, I think this may be a mistaken memory since I haven't come across any other mention of this rhyme before Michael Jackson's record.

Click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OFESufsZG0&t=1s for a YouTube video of Bobby Day's song "Rockin Robin". Also, click for https://genius.com/Bobby-day-rockin-robin-lyrics for lyrics and information about Bobby Day's version of the Rockin Robin" song. 

Click 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2vzTKh-O5c  for a YouTube video of Michael Jackson's adaptation of the song "Rockin Robin". Also, click https://genius.com/Michael-jackson-rockin-robin-lyricsf or lyrics and information about Michael Jackson's version of "Rockin Robin" song.

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SOURCES FOR  ROCKIN ROBIN ("TWEELEELEE") RHYMES "MAMA IN THE KITCHEN" VERSE 
The 1930s African American bawdy (dirty, adults only, nasty) song "Doing The Dirty Boogie" is a source for the "mama in the kitchen verse of "Rockin Robin" (also known as "Tweeleelee" or similarly spelled words.

The 1940s? adult only song "Ala Boogie" is also a source for verses similar to "mama in the kitchen".

"Ala Boogie" probably means "Alabama Boogie".("Boogie" means a social dance with a fast tempo.) 

Click https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=84591 for lyrics for those songs. WARNING: These songs are sexually explicit. 

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EXAMPLES OF THIS VERSE IN ADULT ONLY (BAWDY) SONGS
The quotes from these adult only songs that are quoted in this pancocojams post are less raunchy (dirty) than other verses that are given in those sources. 

These examples are given in chronological order based on their internet publishing dates. Numbers are given for referencing purposes only.

Example #1
"I'm not sure of the title or how old this song is but I learned this much back in the 1930s.Does anyone have the rest of the lyrics or even heard it.All help really appreciated.This is what I remembered
Daddy's in the Whorehouse
Momma's in jail
Sis is on the corner
Hollering Boogie Woogie for sale
Boogie Woogie Boogie Woogie
Boogie Woogie for me Boogie Woogie for you
And I hope you're satisfied you rascal you
-Louie Roy 12 Sep - 10:47 AM, https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=84591 "Lyr Req: Boogie Woogie ???????????????"
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Example #2
Songs of Raunch and Ill-Repute page 25 has something similar to the Boogie Woogie / Rockin' Robin:

ALA BOOGY

Mom's in bed, Pop's on top,
Kid's in the cradle yellin', "Shove it to her, Pop."
Ala Boogy -- That's all I crave.

Mom's in bed, Pop's in jail,
Sis's in the corner yellin', "Pussy for sale."
Ala Boogy -- that's all I crave.

Mom's in the kitchen, Pop's locked up,
My hunchback brother has my sister knocked up.
Ala Boogy -- that's all I crave"

[...]

Haven't got a nickel, haven't got a dime,
House full of kids, and none of 'em's mine.
Ala Boogy -- that's all I crave.

[...]

I've done sung this song till I sweat,
Ain't anybody bought no Ala Boogy yet.
Ala Boogy -- that's all I crave.
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It seems to me that the commercially successful 1958 "Rockin' Robin" song was a cleaned up version of the bawdy original. The text above is from May 1958

The "...tank full of gas ... hand full of ass" verse floats independently and has been used as a marching cadence (to the tune of "Sound Off (the Duckworth chant)". The first two verses also appear in other bawdy songs."
-and e, 22 Jul 08 - 11:30 AM, https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=84591 "Lyr Req: Boogie Woogie ???????????????"

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Example #3
DOING THE DIRTY BOOGIE

This dirty old boogie
It's taking this town
It h'aint no use
From the hips on down
When we done the dirty boogie
In the low down way
But the dirty old boogie
Drive you to your grave

[…]

Well Momma's in bed
And Dad's on top
Sister's in the corner
Hollerin', "Lay it to her pop!"

[…]

Now lay down Momma
Be careful how you lay
Daddy's going to get ya
In the family way

[…]

See that girl all dressed in green
She's got the biggest boogie
I've ever seen

Well there h'ain't no use
She's raising no hell
I know you've done the boogie
By the way you smell.”…

This is transcribed from a 1940's party record on YouTube. See here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLTjpnkmjjU
-and e, 23 Jul 08 - 04:22 AM, https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=84591 "Lyr Req: Boogie Woogie ???????????????"

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Example #4
"Here is the version I learned (although I can't remember one line completely). It was sung pretty fast until you got the the "drive me to my grave" which was VERY slow.

...Mama in the kitchen, Papa in jail.
Sister on the corner singing "pussy for sale".
It's a dirty, dirty boogie that's what I crave.
Dirty, dirty boogie gonna drive me to my grave.
-GUEST,Bill, 26 Oct 11 - 07:43 AM, https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=84591 "Lyr Req: Boogie Woogie ???????????????"

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Example #5
"My dad did a version of this but different lyrics
Mamas in the whorehouse daddy's in jail my sisters on the corner got pussy for sale. Do the dirty boogie!!! Lolol"
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLTjpnkmjjU "Doing the Dirty Boogie" Early Rock & Roll For Adults Only", comment posted by Vanessa Miner, 2012

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EXAMPLES OF THIS SONG IN ROCKIN ROBIN HAND CLAP RHYMES
This section only includes the "Momma's in the kitchen" verse in "Rockin Robin" rhymes that is the focus of this post. Click the link that is given for the complete version of this rhyme

Example #1
2-4-6-8
Motherf&&ker* let me get you straight
Your mother's in jail
your father's in hell
your sister's on the corner hollaring pussy for sail**
-mack, Jul 21, 2005 3:52 am, Location Snotlanta, http://www.afrocentriconline.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=33952&sid=20e079412142da6abbee2eb0ed11f670 "Childhood Chants/Songs/Clapping games.."
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*This word is fully spelled out in this example.

**”Sail” is probably a typo for “sale”.

"Snotlanta" is a humorously coined nickname for Atlanta, Georgia

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Example #2
"I don't remember how WE starated macks, but it went
Momma's in the Kitchen cooking fried chicken
daddy's in be half way dad
brother's in school acting like a fool
sister's on the corner selling fruit cocktail

(but we did touch our chest when we said fruit, our thighs when we said C*** and our butts when we said tail)"
-act up, hu Jul 21, 2005 3:05 pm, http://www.afrocentriconline.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=33952&sid=20e079412142da6abbee2eb0ed11f670 "Childhood Chants/Songs/Clapping games.."
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“half way dad” is probably a typo for “half way dead”.

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Example #3:
"I remember this one too, but our went:

Momma's in the kitchen cooking rice
Daddy's outside shooting dice
Brother's in jail raising hell
Sister's on the corner yelling pussy for sale.

(Rockin Robin...70's SE DC version)"
-Mint, Jul 21, 2005, http://www.afrocentriconline.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=33952&sid=20e079412142da6abbee2eb0ed11f670 "Childhood Chants/Songs/Clapping games.."

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Example #4
"mama in he kitchen cookin fried rice
daddy oUt side shootin some dice
brothA in jail drinkin gingerale
sista roun te corner sellin FRUIT COCTAIL”...…
- j-mil; 3/19/2005 ; (African American male; Maryland), http://blog.oftheoctopuses.com/000518.php [This website is no longer active]

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Example #5
..."mothers in the kitchen cooking rice,
poppa's in the bathroom shooting dice,
brothers in jail raising hell,
sister's in the corner selling fruit cocktail
rocking robin (some children sing other parts not to sure what they are, the words were the same since I was young but now they add things that relate to their time)"
-Guest KLC,(East Harlem, New York, New York, http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=63097 ; Folklore: Do kids still do clapping rhymes?; July 11, 2008; quoted in http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2012/04/rockin-robin-tweeleelee-analysis.html Rockin Robin (Tweeleelee) - Analysis, Performance Activity, & Text Examples

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Example #6
Ha i heard of a handshake kinda simliar to this but I don't know the whole thing here it is (dont know if u looking for this)

Swing,Swing,Swing to the U S A Hey hey!
Momma's in the kitchen cooking fried chicken
Dad's in bed half way dead
Sisters at School Looking like a fool (or acting like a fool)
Brothers In Jail Drinking Ginger Ail
And i dont know the rest...”
- GUEST,Kjnnhh22, 17 Dec 10, https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=84591 "Lyr Req: Boogie Woogie ???????????????"

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Example #7
..."momma's in the kitchen,cookin fried chicken,daddy's in bed,half-way dead,sister's in school acting all cool/like a fool,brother's in jail eating fruit cock tail.!!
-Larasgun3, 2011, http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=VjGAwEEBn0c "Rockin Robin"

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Example #8
"Neat! The one in my school went: "Mama's in the kitchen cooking fried chicken, Daddy's in the hall playing basketball, brother's in school acting like a fool, sister's in bed, I think she's dead!"
-M1NAM1, 2015; http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=VjGAwEEBn0c "Rockin Robin", 2011 [WARNING: The end of this video contains a "f bomb" (profanity)]

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Example #9
"I learned
“Mamas in the kitchen cooking fried chicken, daddy’s in bed halfway dead, brothers in school actin like a fool, sisters in jail tryna make bail”
-Dalton Z-Back Up, November 2018, http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=VjGAwEEBn0c "Rockin Robin", 2011

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Example #10
Mine is:
I Went downtown and saw James brown he gave me a nickel so I bought me a pickle the pickle was sour so I bought me a flower the flower was old and it say black power black power yo momma need a shower don't laugh haha don't laugh haha yo daddy need a bath haha.. Momma in the kitchen stirring that rice, daddy's in the corner shooting that dice brothers in jail coming his hair and sisters in the corner saying fruit cocktail"
- Lania Ranae, 2016, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvWPLzT4ZRs

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Example #11 [added November 29, 2018]
tweet-a-leet-a-leet

tweet-a-leet-a-leet

tweet-a-leet-a-leet

tweet-a-leet-a-leet

tweet-a-leet-a-leet

tweet baby tweet baby your breath stinks

she rocks in the tree top all day long huffing and a puffing and a singing that song all little birdies on jay bird street love to hear the robins go suck my feet rockin robin tweet tweet a leet rockin robin tweet tweet a leet mommy's in the kitchen cooking fried chicken daddys in bed half way dead brothers at school actin like a fool sisters on the corner selling fruitcock tail grandmas in the shower for an half an hour..........forgot the rest
- smootches87 [Location: US - Texas], Apr 25 2008, http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/lil-girls-hand-games_topic128043_page4.html "Lil Girls .. Hand Games!"

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Example #12 [added November 29, 2018]
TWEET BABY TWEET BABY
MY MOMMA SAID SHE ROCKS IN THE TREETOP
ALL DAY LONG
HUFFIN AND A PUFFING
AND SINGING THAT SONG
ALL THE LIL BIRDIES ON JAY BIRD STREET
LOVE THE WAY MOMMA GOES TWEET TWEET TWEET

ROCKING ROBIN, TWEET TWALLEE
ROCKIN ROBIN TWEET TWALEE

BATMAN AND ROBIN
FLYING IN THE AIR
WHEN BATMAN LOST HIS UNDERWEAR
BUT BATMAN SAD
IDC
MY MOMMAS GONNA BY ME A BRAND NEW PAIR

ROCKING ROBIN, TWEET TWALLEE
ROCKIN ROBIN TWEET TWALEE

MOMMA IN THE KITCHEN COKKING RICE
BROTHERS OUTSIDE SHOOTIN DICE
DADDYS IN JAIL DRINKING GINERALE
SISTERS OUT SIDE GOING FRUIT COCKTAIL

ROCKING ROBIN, TWEET TWALLEE
ROCKIN ROBIN TWEET TWALEE
-dijah.love (Location: New York),Apr 25 2008, http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/lil-girls-hand-games_topic128043_page5.html "Lil Girls .. Hand Games!"

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Monday, November 26, 2018

Excerpts From Various Online Articles & Discussion Threads About Afros And Afro Picks

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II of a two part pancocojams series on afro picks.

Part II provides excerpts from various online articles & discussion threads about afros and afro picks (pics).

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/11/erykah-badu-pick-your-afro-daddy-afro.html for Part I of this series. Part I showcases Erykah Badu's song "Pick Yo Afro Daddy". This song is also known as "Pick Yo Afro Daddy" and "Afro (Freestyle Skit)" is track 7 in Badu's the 1997 album Baduizm.

Part I also provides information about the Baduizm album.

The Addendum to that post includes a definition of "afro picks" and my comments about what afro picks and how afro picks were used and are now used. The Addendum also includes two related videos about Black hairstyles.

The content of this post is provided for cultural and entertainment purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2018/01/the-changing-shape-of-womens-afro-hair.html for a pancocojams post entitled "The Changing Shapes Of Women's Afro Hair Styles (with January 2018 Update)"

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ARTICLE AND DISCUSSION THREAD EXCERPTS
These excerpts are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.

Excerpt #1:
From https://www.quora.com/Why-have-afros-fallen-out-of-style-in-the-African-American-community "Why Have Afros Fallen Out Of Style In The African American Community?

[This comment includes photos of different natural styles including the top photo of a woman with a big ‘fro in the style of the late 1960s and 1970s and the bottom photo of a Black woman with hair whose natural curls are more defined.]

[by] Carlet Langford, black all my life
Answered Jun 1, 2015
"It depends on what you mean by "afro".

Do you mean this:

[photos inserted]

Afros that look like the top picture aren't as popular anymore, that's true-for various reasons. Maintaining the above means really paying attention to your hair-black hair is very fragile, and the longer it is, the more care it needs because it tends to break off. The only way to comb big Afros is with a pick-and picking the hair in order to get it to stand up like you see in the above picture can cause the hair to break off. Plus, black hair is pretty dry naturally-so it can look very dull if not constantly moisterized, and the shorter it is, the easier it is to care for.

But afros that look like the bottom pictures are pretty popular. Shorter, with twists or braids or just a shorter version of the above are pretty popular among blacks. There are now more ways to style natural hair in a healthy manner, and there are more products available to keep the hair healthy then in the past-so women (and men) who want to wear their hair in it's natural state don't have to revert to the 60's "black power" style afro.

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Excerpt #2:
From https://www.quora.com/Why-have-afros-fallen-out-of-style-in-the-African-American-community "Why Have Afros Fallen Out Of Style In The African American Community?
[by] Brianna Ruffin, African-American and Afro-Caribbean
Answered Jun 1, 2015
"I would argue that the Afro hasn't disappeared. It, along with other natural hair styles, may have simply changed forms. For example, there's Lupita Nyong'o's teeny weeny afro (TWA), which is shorter and easier to care for. There are also medium-sized afros. In addition to these hair styles, there are other natural hair styles such as twist outs, flat twists, and braid outs that have become much more popular. Some of these hair styles look kind of like the Big Ass Afro (BAA) and have the added benefit of being more socially acceptable."

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Excerpt #3:
From ttps://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-black-people-wear-combs-in-their-hair Why do some black people wear combs in their hair?
[comment by Aaron Ellis, Black on Both Sides
Answered Jan 26 [no year given. However, according to Google search, this question was published in 2015]
"Back when I was fourteen years-old, I stopped cutting my hair. For the first few months, I didn’t notice that my hair was getting long, partly because I played football and helmets hide long hair well. But after six months, I looked in the mirror and realized that my hair had grown like a plant in all directions. I had to face facts: I had an afro.

Personally, I was content to just let my fro grow without paying it any attention. However, my father didn’t like that plan. My dad came of age in the ’60s and ‘70s, when afros were more than just a hairdo: they were symbols of race, culture, and uniformity. He had high standards for the natural hairstyle. If I was going to have an afro, I had to follow his rules, which included regular shape-ups (barbershop visits to keep the hair tidy and shapely) and I had to comb it regularly to keep it presentable. Basically, my afro would have to look like how he styled his natural back in the day.

The one thing you quickly learn when trying to maintain a perfectly globular, velvety-sheened afro is that you have to comb it a lot. No seriously, A LOT.

Combing with a pick keeps your hair at a full length, but it’s temporary. The tendency of the hair to curl closer to the scalp is relentless. So you pick and pat down your hair all the time. Sometimes every hour. Sometimes every fifteen minutes. Sometimes even more frequently than that. If you don’t regularly comb your hair, it will look lumpy and uneven.

Another thing you quickly learn when you grow out a fro is that afro picks are not the most convenient combs to keep around. Even the small ones don’t fit into a front pocket and barely fit in a back pocket, where they are rigid and inflexible. The larger ones don’t fit in pockets at all.

So as a result of frequently needing to use an afro pick that does not easily fit in pockets or elsewhere, eventually it starts to seem like a good idea to just let the pick hang out in your fro. The thick hair is usually sturdy enough to hold it in place, so the pick just stays in place for easy access. As far as I’m aware, afros are the only black hairdos in which it’s possible to keep a comb in it, and afro picks are the only kinds of combs that you’ll find in that hair.

Obviously, some people will keep their afro picks in their hair for other reasons, for example, as a fashion item or hair decoration. However, even people who do this are most likely using their picks on a regular basis to keep their hair combed.

In summary, it’s just practical to leave your pick in your hair."

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Excerpt #3
From ttps://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-black-people-wear-combs-in-their-hair Why do some black people wear combs in their hair?


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Excerpt #4:
From ttps://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-black-people-wear-combs-in-their-hair Why do some black people wear combs in their hair?
[by] Patrick Edwin Moran, former Professor (1968-2010)
Answered Oct 25, 2015
"Decorative artifacts that stick in hair by their several long legs are common in many cultures. They go way back in China.
https://www.pinterest.com/joky717/ancient-chinese-combs/
Ancient Chinese Combs by Joky Lee

Back in the late 60s my African-American friends would stick a "pick" in their Afro hairdos. Those combs looked quite nice that way. Could there be a hold-over from that practice?

The afro comb: not just an accessory but a cultural icon
A new exhibition charts the afro comb from its inception in ancient Egypt through to its ascendency as a political emblem"...
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This commenter cites the article that is given as Excerpt #5
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Excerpt #5
From https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/shortcuts/2013/jul/07/afro-comb-accessory-cultural-icon "Afro Comb: Not Just An Accessory But A Cultural Icon" by Felicity Heywood, 7 Jul 2013
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The afro comb has long been associated with the 1970s, the accessory of a hairstyle that represented counter culture and civil rights during an important era for both. These days it makes a regular appearance on mainstream TV in America – the Roots drummer Questlove is fond of wearing one while performing as part of the house band on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon.

Forty years ago, the afro comb was worn in the hair not only as an adornment, but also as a political emblem and a signature of a collective identity. It was recognised as a way of saying no to oppression. Wearing the comb led to a kind of comradeship amongst those whose hair grows up and out, not down.

Previously, the Afro comb wasn't very visible. And for this reason it has been assumed that the afro comb was invented in the 1970s. But a new exhibition blows that myth out the water. The afro comb dates back to ancient Egypt. The oldest comb from the collection is 5,500 years old.
The hundreds of combs on display show that over time the style hasn't changed. The comb, sometimes called a pick, is commonly upright with long teeth. Sometimes a motif decorates the top. In ancient times it often referenced cultural belonging, and there are artifacts showing how people wore the comb in the hair. Time marches on and culture is always in transition. But perhaps not at the speed we assume.”...

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Excerpt #6
From https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/02/24/afro-rises/98327072/ "Untangled from politics, the proud Afro hairstyle rises again" by Karyn D. Collins, Special for USA TODAY Published Feb. 24, 2017
"Starla Lewis still remembers her father's reaction almost 50 years ago when she decided to wear her hair natural. She was 18 years old, and she was done using a hot comb to straighten her hair.

"My dad came home and looked at me and said, 'OK, joke's over. Go fix your hair.' And I said, 'Dad, this is the real me,'" Lewis recalls. "He said, 'Do me a favor: If you see me walking down the street, please don't speak.'"

Harsh words.

But in 1968, many black people considered "going natural" to be a radical move, whether that meant styling it in braids, cornrows, or one big puff — the look that became known as the Afro.

"Going natural was a resistance against what had been years of us trying to fit into European-American culture by straightening our hair," says Lewis, professor emerita of black studies at San Diego Mesa College in California. "Going natural was about embracing yourself, loving yourself."

And Lewis loved herself and her "new" hair.

[...]

Lewis has worn her hair natural almost continuously since that day in 1968; these days she sports a short Afro. Her daughter and granddaughter also wear natural hairstyles.

“"Going natural was about embracing yourself, loving yourself."”

She says it took a while for her father to come around, but he eventually did. "I think he realized I wasn't rejecting him. It was about embracing myself."

Today's natural hair is not your father's 'fro. A new generation has joined the natural hair movement and embraced the iconic Afro. Now, the style is relatively free of the political and social implications of the past.

“Back then, a lot of people saw our wearing our hair natural as a rejection of what was deemed socially acceptable. Originally, it was not a style as much as it was an 'unstyle'," says Lori Tharps, co-author of Hair Story: Untangling the Roots of Black Hair in America. Tharps is an associate professor in journalism at Temple University in Philadelphia.

Social historians trace the start of the trend to students in the civil rights movement, particularly those in the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee working and protesting in the South.

Then, the style was borne out of practical concerns.

"Activists found it was hard to maintain a press and curl after being covered in food during sit-ins, sprayed with high-powered water hoses during protest marches, and housed in cramped, humid Southern jails. Many SNCC women started cutting their hair short and wearing it natural," says Tanisha C. Ford, author of Liberated Threads: Black Women, Style and the Global Politics of Soul and an associate professor in black American studies and history at the University of Delaware. Young men in the movement began growing out their hair as well.

Afros became a political symbol, one that spread worldwide. But ironically, that popularity became its undoing.

"By the '70s, it was all about the Afro. And it wasn't a political statement, it was a style. It was a fashion trend, a hairstyle," Tharps says. "You had white people wearing Afros. You had the Jackson 5 and all of these superstars wearing Afros."

Lewis adds, "When it became the Afro, it became more of a hairstyle. It became about this perfectly shaped creation. You had all these products coming out to keep it perfect. Like any fashion trend, it eventually died, and people moved on to the next trend."

In praise of the pick

The pick, or sometimes pik, and the related wide-toothed Afro comb dates back 5,500 years to ancient Egypt.

But who's responsible for the modern versions some remember from childhood or a recent trip to the beauty supply store?

Willie Morrow was a popular barber in San Diego in the 1960s when he noticed an increasing number of his college-age customers growing their hair longer. Then one of his young customers brought in a comb he had purchased in Nigeria while studying there.

"I took a look at this comb. It didn't look like anything else I'd seen. That was the first time I saw a pick," Morrow said.

Morrow started making his own picks out of wood, eventually adding plastic and metal versions. Those creations, along with other hair implements he has collected, were the basis of an exhibit last year, "The History and the Hair Story: 400 Years Without A Comb," at the Museum at California Center for the Arts in Escondido, Calif.

S. Henry Bundles, Jr., whose wife was the granddaughter of black hair-care pioneer Madam C.J. Walker, held one of the first patents for an Afro pick, along with his business partner Henry Childrey.

A'Lelia Bundles said the pick her father and Childrey developed in 1969 for Summit Laboratories came after they saw a comb in San Francisco in the late '60s.

"Everyone was pivoting to take advantage of the Afro and come up with products for that, various sprays and moisturizers and the combs and picks," said A'Lelia Bundles, a journalist.

Today, Antonio's Manufacturing of Cresson, Pa., appears to be king of the pick market. If you have a pick with a fist and peace sign on the handle, it's probably an Antonio's model based on an original design first patented in the early '70s.

Anthony Romani Jr., the son and successor of company founder Anthony Romani, doesn't know why his father came up with that design.
"I do remember a lady called once and asked him why he put the fist and peace sign together," Romani Jr. said. "And he said, 'Well, you have to fight for peace, I reckon.' "...

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Excerpt #7
From https://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/afro/the-pros-and-cons-of-using-an-afro-pick "The Pros and Cons of Using an Afro Pick"
by Victoria Davis, 12.15.17
"The Afro pick has been a staple in the Black community for years -- did you know it was used in Egypt over 6,000 years ago?

And today, this hair tool has made its way into the hands of curly girls of all shades. If you've never used a pick (here is how to), or you want to dust off your comb from years past, there are some pros and cons of using an afro pick.

Pros
You achieve big curls. If you want to stand out amongst the crowd, big hair is surely the way to go. Afro picks can be used once your wash n go, twistout or braid out has fully dried. Don't even think about putting that pick near your head any time before then -- you will cause major frizz. Prevent this by combing from the roots up to an inch downward.

Inexpensive you say? With so many tools made for hair care, they can get pretty expensive, but the afro pick is one you can count on that won't make you empty your wallet. Picks can cost just a few dollars unless you're on the hunt for a handcrafted comb.

There are tons to choose from. Speaking of that handcrafted comb, there are many styles of picks - including your options of plastic or metal. Many stores sell a variety of colors, but what it's made of will matter. Those with looser, finer curl patterns may want to opt for the plastic pick as they are gentler. If you have a kinkier texture - metal picks will work just as well.

Cons
You may break some curls. The thought of causing breakage while using your pick may seem like a nightmare, but it's only a reality if you use the tool incorrectly. I know us curly girls focus a lot on protecting the ends of our hair, but your roots are the real star of the show when you use a pick. Never use the pick by starting from the roots and combing all the way through to the ends. You will cause severe damage and start the day with a massive headache.

Don't get too friendly. You may feel your newfound pick was sent from God, but over-manipulating your hair using any tool can cause breakage. Long story short: find ways to fluff your hair once without restyling with your pick daily.”...

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Excerpt #8
From https://blackhairinformation.com/general-articles/tips/5-dos-donts-using-afro-pick/ "5 Dos And Don’ts When Using An Afro Pick" by Victoria, January 18, 2016
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"Do's

Do it on dry hair

First things first, when you use your afro pick you’re probably going to want to use it on dry hair. One of the biggest things naturals know is that if you take down a style while it’s wet, you’re going to get nothing but frizz. To make sure that your curls are able to form and be defined in their own way, let your hair dry fully first. Then you can start using the pick.

Do it on day 1 hair

Most people use their afro pick to truly define their day one curls. When you first take a style down, that’s when it’s the most flat. If you don’t want to wait until day 2 or 3 (after you’ve finally slept on it more and you curls had a chance to drop), then use your afro pick on day one. It will help you get the big curly fro look that you were looking for.

Don’t overdo it

With that being said, don’t overdo the picking! If you want to make your style last a few days or even a little over a week, you don’t want to get it so big on the first day that it looks like a nest on day 4. If you like frizz, or if it’s for a one time occasion, on the other hand, then feel free to use the pick to get that maximum full look.

Do gently lift the roots

Now comes the test of using the pick – when you actually run it through. To get the most voluminous look, place the pick at the root of your hair and gently pull up.

Lift at the roots and repeat all over your head. This way your curls won’t be disturbed and you can see more volume. You can also shape your style in the way you want it to lay on your head.

Don’t tug all the way through

Even though you are lifting your curls, do not run the pick all the way through. Trust me, this is a mistake I had to learn through extensive trial and error. Pulling the pick all the way through is similar to just combing out the curls. Instead, lift at the roots and stop. You’ll still have definition and volume – the best of both worlds!”...
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Comment from Tayna [no date given]
"Good info! I just learned how to use an afro pick to create volume for my fine, low dense hair. Now my wash n gos, roller sets, and twist outs have the illusion of looking thick!"

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This concludes Part II of this two part series on afros and afro picks.

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