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Friday, September 3, 2021

What The African American Vernacular English Word "Finna" REALLY Means

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest Update: December 13, 2021 

This pancocojams post presents information and comments about the history and use of the African American word "finna" in the United States.

The content of this post is presented for linguistic and socio-cultural purposes.  

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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This is part of an ongoing pancocojams series on the word "finna", Click the "finna" link below for more pancocojams posts in this series.
 
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SELECTED ONLINE EXCERPTS ABOUT THE WORD "FINNA"

(These excerpts are given in no particular order and are numbered for referencing purposes only.)

Excerpt #1
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_Vernacular_English [retrieved Sept. 3, 2021]
"African-American Vernacular English (AAVE, /ˈɑːveɪ, æv/[1]), also referred to as Black (Vernacular) English, Black English Vernacular, or occasionally Ebonics (a colloquial, controversial term),[2] is the variety of English natively spoken, particularly in urban communities, by most working- and middle-class African Americans and some Black Canadians.[3]

Having its own unique grammatical, vocabulary, and accent features, African-American Vernacular English is employed by Black Americans as the more informal and casual end of a sociolinguistic continuum; on the formal end of this continuum, speakers switch to more standard English grammar and vocabulary, usually while retaining elements of the nonstandard accent.[4][5]

As with most African-American English, African-American Vernacular English shares a large portion of its grammar and phonology with the rural dialects of the Southern United States,[6] and especially older Southern American English,[7] due to historical connections of African Americans to the region.

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AAVE grammatical aspects

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Finna corresponds to "fixing to" in other varieties.[65] it is also written fixina, fixna, fitna, and finta[66]

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Excerpt #2
From https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/finna/
..."WHAT DOES FINNA MEAN?

Finna, a contraction of fixing to, means “getting ready to do something.”

It’s used to express a goal to take some sort of action in the near future.

Finna, sometimes pronounced or spelled as finta or fitna, is a shortening of the expression fixing to, like gonna is a shortening of going to.

Fixing to has a long history in Southern American English, and its sense of “getting ready to” is seen as early as the 1700s, where fixing meant “to intend,” “arrange,” or “make preparations.”

By the mid-1800s, the verb was settling into the phrase fixing to, widening in meaning from just “preparing to,” to mean “going to,” “intending to,” or “getting ready to” do something. It’s still used like this today in some Southern dialects.

Finna emerged from fixing to in African American English and is recorded in hip-hop lyrics in the late 1980s. For example, N.W.A.’s 1987 “3 The Hard Way” features the line “I finna kick this sh-t*, alright!” and King Tee’s 1998 “Act a Fool” includes “I’m finna act a fool.”
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.

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Excerpt #3
From https://ygdp.yale.edu/phenomena/fixin-to Yale Grammatical Diversity Project
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English in North America

..."Fixin’ to

"I’m fixin’ to wash the dishes."

(Ching 1987:338)

Sentences with fixin’ to place an event in the near future. Speakers of mainstream English may be more familiar with the variations in (2), which also place the event of telling the story in the near future.

1) Daisy’s fixin’ to tell the story.

(Myers 2014:56)

2)
a. Daisy’s going to tell the story.

b. Daisy’s about to tell the story.

c. Daisy’s planning to tell the story.

Crucially, however, speakers who use fixin’ to note that there is a difference in meaning between (1) and any of the sentences in (2) (Goldie Ann McQuaid and Harold Torrence, p.c.). This difference may be difficult to pin down, but see semantic properties below for some discussion.

Fixin’ to also has a number of phonological variants, perhaps the most well-recognized being finna. Consider:

3) a. I finna get off the bus.

(Thomas 2013:9)

b. I’m fixin’ to get off the bus.

Like with fixin’ to, finna can most easily be paraphrased in mainstream English with going to/gonna, planning to, and about to. However, such paraphrasing does not necessarily produce identical meaning. Furthermore, it remains unclear exactly what the relationship between fixin’ to and finna is."...

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Excerpt #4
From https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/28740/what-is-the-history-and-geographic-area-of-the-word-finna What is the history and geographic area of the word "finna?"

1.
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In St. Louis, I learned of the word, "finna." I know it is slang/contraction for "fixing to." By asking dozens of people, I've learned that it is used by people of many different races and cultural backgrounds. I've also learned that many who use this word have been using it all their lives (for some, that means at least 50 years).”…

edited Dec 24 '13 at 17:25, Tim Lymington

asked Jun 6 '11 at 4:35, Eri

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2.
"Just to add some boundaries to the extent of the usage: I've lived in St. Louis most of my life ('50s, '60s, '90s, '00s), and I've never heard this that I can think of. I'm white, middle-class, grew up in the inner-ring suburb of University City, have lived last 20 years in the ethnically mixed Central West End."
- Steve Harris,  Jun 6 '11 at 7:17

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3.
@Steve Harris: That is good to know. Many of my city teacher friends, also white and middle-class, say it, but those who just moved to the area in the last few years say it because they picked it up from their students and colleagues. Perhaps there is a socio-economic boundary?

 –Eri,  Jun 6 '11 at 20:08

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4. 
"I’m from Louisville, Kentucky, and I’ve only heard people in more urban communities use it. I’ve always wondered how the word or saying finna came about. Your explanation makes sense to me!

People also say frinna down here as well."

edited May 11 '14 at 14:21, tchrist

answered May 11 '14 at 13:54, user74814

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Excerpt #5
From https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=finna
"Literally means "going to"

Came from "fixin to"

"I finna give you an LA ass woopin'" - Chris Tucker

"Finna take it to the house" - Trick Daddy

by Budhacris September 23, 2005" 

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Excerpt #6
From https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=finna%20do
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finna do

Getting ready to do or fixin' to do something. used as a verb.

"what you and yo" finna do"  is a good example of how the word is used. used a lot in southern regions of the united states.

by Artist1 January 25, 2011"

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Partial Timeline For The African American Vernacular English (AAVE) Word "Finna"

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post provides a partial timeline of the African American Vernacular English word "finna". Citation/s are provided for each entry. 

The content of this post is presented for linguistic and socio-cultural purposes.  

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.
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This is part of an ongoing pancocojams series on the word "finna", Click the "finna" link below for more pancocojams posts in this series.
 
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COMMENTS ABOUT THE USE OF THE WORD FINNA BEFORE ANY SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF WRITTEN AND/OR RECORDED USE ( that I have found thus far online)

Excerpts from several sources and are given in no particular order. Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.
Excerpt #1
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Finna, sometimes pronounced or spelled as finta or fitna, is a shortening of the expression fixing to, like gonna is a shortening of going to.

[...]

Fixing to has a long history in Southern American English, and its sense of “getting ready to” is seen as early as the 1700s, where fixing meant “to intend,” “arrange,” or “make preparations.”

By the mid-1800s, the verb was settling into the phrase fixing to, widening in meaning from just “preparing to,” to mean “going to,” “intending to,” or “getting ready to” do something. It’s still used like this today in some Southern dialects.

Finna emerged from fixing to in African American English and is recorded in hip-hop lyrics in the late 1980s. For example, N.W.A.’s 1987 “3 The Hard Way” features the line “I finna kick this sh-t,* alright!” and King Tee’s 1998 “Act a Fool” includes “I’m finna act a fool.”
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This word if fully spelled out in this article.

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Except #2
From https://www.bustle.com/articles/98028-what-does-finna-mean-heres-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-slang-term-because-fish  What Does "Finna" Mean? by Mikaela Gilbert-Lurie, Aug. 7, 2015
..."It seems like everyone is saying "finna" these days, but the expression actually has its roots in African American Vernacular English (AAVE). Most etymologists trace it back to a shortening of the very common Southern phrase, "fixing to."Julia Thomas and Timothy Grinsell, two linguistic researchers from the University of Chicago, published a paper of the proliferation of the phrase "finna" (as well as its similar cousins, "fitna" and "finta"), which actually claims that "finna" and "gonna" — as well as "bouta," which is short for "about to" — have historically had slightly different meanings, even though they are used relatively interchangeably today.

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Excerpt #3
From https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/28740/what-is-the-history-and-geographic-area-of-the-word-finna
1. ..."The Online Slang Dictionary states:
….this is a phonetic spelling of one common pronunciation of the southern United States colloquialism

It started round about 1917, and was due to the pronunciation techniques of the American-Africans in the South. Since then, due to increasing travel opportunities, it has spread to the North and Midwest as well.

edited Jul 9 '11 at 11:23, user2683

answered Jun 6 '11 at 4:58,  Thursagen

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2,… while "fixin' to" is the origin of "finna," your answer explains "fixin' to" rather than the history and geography of the particular slang "finna." 

Jun 6 '11 at 20:04, Eri

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PARTIAL TIMELINE OF THE THE WORD "FINNA"

1985- "First Known Use of finna

in the meaning  "used for "fixing to" in informal speech and in representations of such speech

"I'm finna do the biggest show of my life," he [Lil Nas X] joked before going on stage.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/finna
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In the context of definition, the word "known" means documented/recorded. 


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1985-1990
- "finna first recorded
[finna is] "a phonetic spelling representing the African American Vernacular English variant of fixing to, a phrase commonly used in Southern U.S. dialects to mark the immediate future while indicating preparation or planning already in progress:

Oh, no, she finna break his heart!"
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/finna"
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I haven't found who first recorded (documented) the word "finna" in the United States, where it was recorded, and who said that word etc,

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[Notes about songs with the word "finna" given by decades]

 Most of these entries lean heavily on results from https://www.lyrics.com/lyrics/finna . Here's the general results for the word "finna" in songs by decades, beginning with the 1970s (retrieved on Sept. 2, 2021]
" Yee yee! We've found 34,065 lyrics, 0 artists, and 0 albums matching finna; 1420 pages.

No results for the 1970s.

Yee yee! We've found 10 lyrics, 0 artists, and 0 albums matching finna in the 1980s.

Yee yee! We've found 157 lyrics, 0 artists, and 0 albums matching finna in the 1990s.

Yee yee! We've found 569 lyrics, 0 artists, and 0 albums matching finna in the 2000s.

Yee yee! We've found 892 lyrics, 0 artists, and 0 albums matching finna in the 2010s.

No results for the 2020s."
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For this partial timeline, I've selected a few song examples from the 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, and 2010s. All of these selected examples (and almost all of the lyrics.com/finna entries) are from the Rap/HipHop genre.

The links for the song entries in this partial timeline are from lyrics.com/finna by decade.

WARNING: A number of these lyrics.com/finna entries contain profanity, violence, sexually explicit content, and/or "the na word". I purposely chose examples without this content. A number of the examples that I didn't include in this partial timeline are probably far more influential than some of the examples that I did include.

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1988
King Tee- "Act A Fool"
'Won't be back 'til mornin', don't have to go to school
(Better get ready) I'm finna act a fool"

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1988
The 7A3 - "Goes Like Dis"
"I want to know how's everybody feelin?
Damn it, how's everybody feelin
We finna get FUNKYYY!)

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1989
Geto Boys - "Read These Nikes"
"Here I go again, another brawl, a conflict
Someone finna get their ass kicked
If you ain't down with the Geto Boys
Get your happy ass out of dodge." 

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1990
Above The Law - "Ballin"
"I made it ride higher while I'm ballin through Cali
So listen, I'm finna start dissin
All you Eastside rappers, you had to start pissin
Me off, you're soft, you're finna get tossed
By two boss players who's your dope rhyme sayers"

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1990
Boo-Ya T.R.B.E - "Riot Pump"
"? Alamo
Caged like a criminal
And I know from the frontdo'
Busta, let me go, I'm finna tell the Roscoe
Pump the pusher, I'm the criminal
(To all you posses) 187 from a limo (limo, limo, limo)
They say we're gangsters, so let the stage be the streets
Our drive-by's ? I took the posse with me
Renegades with braids finna unload the gauge
Boo-Yaa tribe! Boo-Yaa stage

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1997
South Central Cartel - It Don't Stop
"[CHORUS L.V]
Gees on the move
Westside and Eastside finna act a fool
You know it's all to the gees
Hittin switches with the S.C.C.
Radio don't give us props "

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2000
Common - Announcement [Sped Up]
Through your hands up when we in the house
Yeah, this is hiphop, baby
I'm finna take you to the tip-top, baby
And tell your girl that the tickets is out
Cause this is hip hop, baby 
I'm finna take you to the tip-top, baby

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2005
Various Artists - "Real Life"
"S
ome people put they money first, and don't care who they hurt
Always talkin' bout how they, finna do this and finna do that
Finna get that new Benz and finna buy they girl a Cadillac
I try to mind my business, they strike at me with a vengeance"

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June 21, 2014- use of "finna" with "fleek" in a Vine (mini video)
"As Matt Эллен notes in his answer, the road to mass adoption of fleek runs through a Vine mini-video uploaded on June 21, 2014, by Peaches Monroee. If you don't have Flash on your computer (as I don't), you can relive Ms. Monroee's 12 seconds of stardom here on YouTube. One commenter at YouTube conveniently transcribes the audio of the mini-video as follows:

We in dis bi-ch*, finna get crunk; eyebrows on fleek, dafuq?

The suburban, red-state translation is roughly this:

 We are in the car, fixing to have a wild time; my eyebrows look absolutely fabulous, so what the heck?"

[...]

Whether Ms. Monroee would ever explicitly include "are" in such a construction is a matter of conjecture, but it seems to me that all English speakers show a great deal of variation in the words that they sometimes make explicit and sometimes omit. "...

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/215078/what-does-fleek-mean-and-when-was-it-first-used/218809#218809, Sven Yargs, Aug 14'15 22:07
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.

As shown in that vine, Peaches Monroee is a young African American woman.

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"As I noted in answer to the question "What does 'fleek' mean and when was it first used?, a very famous early instance of the use of the phrase "on fleek" runs thus: "We in dis bi-ch*, finna get crunk; eyebrows on fleek, dafuq?" There is no explicit auxiliary verb for finna in this quotation; instead it is implied in the structure "We ... finna ..."

Sven Yargs,  Aug 14 '15 at 20:06, https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/266956/how-to-use-the-word-finna-correctly
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*This word is fully spelled out in these comments. [Note that "dafuq" is also profanity, although that spelling is a barely hidden "polite" spelling of that word.] 

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2015
Tamar Braxton - Catfish
"
Baby I know the real you (Baby don't flex)
Baby I know the real you (Don't Flex)
She finna know the real you too"

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2017
Kodack Black -Unexplainable
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Everybody finna have their own impression
I've been through too much so I don't like expressing
Tell you one thing you gon' ask another question
If I tell you how I feel you gon' take advantage
Yeah I know you read the text but you ain't get the message
I speak in codes it ain't for you if you don't understand it
Think what you want to think you could keep guessing
Why should I even Tweet when all you finna do is @ it?
If I tell you 'bout myself I'm finna go to stressin
'Cause I might go to ventin' and I'mma start reflectin'"

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2017
Various Artists - "Go Off"
"
All up in the club, I think I'm finna go off
Look at my shoes, damn it , I'm finna show off
I'm blowin real pressure, my Gucci shoes are better"

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2017
Musiq (Soulchild) - Party Life
"Work hard, play hard, it’s a part of life
So, yeah, I guess tonight finna be one of those nights"

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March 2020 - "Finna" added to Oxford English Dictionary
https://public.oed.com/updates/new-words-list-march-2020/Oxford English Dictionary
"finna, v.: “‘Fixing to’ (see fix v. 16a); intending or preparing to; about to.”

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April 2020
..."Dictionary.com isn't the first to add "finna" to its entries. Merriam-Webster also added "finna" to its online dictionary last April. According to the site, it's already among the top 1% of words that are looked up."...

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/nation-world/supposably-finna-among-dictionary-com-new-words-2021/507-47531066-d5a8-41b0-ad7b-703e5cef9aff

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March 11, 2021

@Dictionarycom

Mar 11

🚨 New word alert! 🚨

"finna," a phonetic spelling representing the African American Vernacular English variant of "fixing to," is one of the 600 words we just added to http://Dictionary.com

https://twitter.com/Dictionarycom/

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Sunday, August 29, 2021

What Does "Blaccent" REALLY Mean? (YouTube vlog and selected discussion thread comments, Part I)



Tee Noir, May 28, 2020

Hey everyone! In this video I'm discussing the use of a "blaccent" and AAVE online for humorous effect, specifically on TikTok. ... -snip-
Statistics as of August 29, 2021 at 12:00 PM ET total views- 1,477,597 total likes - 156K total dislikes-2.7K total comments-11,477K **** Edited by Azizi Powell
This is Part I of a two part pancocojams post that serves as an introduction to the subject of "blaccent".*
This post showcases a YouTube vlog about "blaccent" and includes several definitions about that term. Part I also includes a definition of "African American Venacular English" (AAVE). Information about the African American Vernacular English term "finna" is also included in this pancocojams post because it includes a number of comments about that term.

Selected comments from the discussion thread of that showcased vlog are included in this post. All of those comments are from 2020 except for a few of their replies. Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/08/what-does-blaccent-really-mean-youtube_29.html for Part II of this pancocojams post. Part II showcases the same YouTube vlog about "blaccent" and presents selected comments published in 2021 from the discussion thread of that vlog, The content of this post is presented for linguistic and socio-cultural purposes. All copyrights remain with their owners. Thanks to Tee Noir whose vlog post is showcased here and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. -snip- * This pancocojams post is part of an ongoing series about "blaccent". Click the "blaccent" tag below for more pancocojams posts on this topic. **** PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
The term "blaccent" is used in this showcased YouTube vlog, in the article excepts in this pancocojams series, and in most of the comments that are included in this series to refer to the "accents" that some-but not all-African Americans have/have had. Also, in this pancocojams series "Black English" refers to African American Vernacular English.

These definitions and statements don't discount the fact that there are other forms of "accents" that Black people throughout the world have/have had and there are other forms of "Black English" besides African American Vernacular English.
**** DEFINITION OF "AFRICAN AMERICAN VERNACULAR ENGLISH" (AAVE) From https://www.dictionary.com/browse/aave [retrieved August 28, 2021] "African American Vernacular English is a designation used by linguists to describe a North American dialect of English used by some Black people. Like older names for this dialect, the full term is usually used only once or twice to introduce it in writing or speech; thereafter the abbreviation (AAVE) is used, with the result that the abbreviation is far more common than the expanded form, especially in the fields of linguistics, sociolinguistics, and sociology."...

**** DEFINITION OF "BLACCENT" From https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/blaccent/ [retrieved August 28, 2021]

"blaccent

[blak-sent]

WHAT DOES BLACCENT MEAN?

Blaccent, a blend of black and accent, is the imitation of Black English by non-black people.

WHERE DOES BLACCENT COME FROM?

The Outline

There are a lot of ways a non-black person can put on a blaccent, or a black accent. These include using slang (yaaaas queen is a frequent offender, taken from black queer culture) and speaking with a speech quality reminiscent of Black English.

Early evidence for the term blaccent comes in 2003 on internet forums to refer to black speech in general. It was used again in 2009 to talk about the way President Obama was perceived to code-switch into Black (vs. Standard) English when speaking to black audiences.

By 2010, however, blaccent began to more specifically refer to when non-black people tried to speak Black English—whether for clout or coin.

Entertainers, especially female rappers and singers, have been notably accused of adopting a blaccent throughout the 2010s. Examples include Iggy Azalea in 2015, Bhad Bhabie in 2017, and Ariana Grande in late 2018. Actress and rapper Nora Lum was also charged with using a blaccent in the hit 2018 romantic comedy, Crazy Rich Asians."

These criticisms helped bring blaccent into more mainstream discussions of cultural appropriation."

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ADDITIONAL DEFINITIONS OF "BLACCENT"

These definitions are numbered for referencing purposes only.
From https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blaccent blaccent 1. "TOP DEFINITION

blaccent

A distinctive manner of speech, pitch or tone particular to African American urban inner city youth.

Sean tried to immerse himself in WASP-y country club culture, but his blaccent gave him away every time."

by Reetu November 09, 2006

** 2. "blaccent

A manner of speaking indicative of the stereotypical African American (or someone trying sound as such).

Not to be confused with slang, the blaccent is identified by the way words are prounounced...not the words themselves.

Me: I called customer service and the African American gentleman was very helpful.

Friend: How do you know he was African American?

Me: He spoke with a blaccent."

by SKiTz The Gemini October 04, 2007

**** DEFINITIONS OF "FINNA" Excerpt #1 From
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/finna [retrieved August 28, 2021] "Definition of finna

—used for "fixing to" in informal speech and in representations of such speech

"I'm finna do the biggest show of my life," he [Lil Nas X] joked before going on stage.

— Trisha Ahmed and Saeed Ahmed

First Known Use of finna

1985, in the meaning defined above” **** Excerpt #2 From https://www.dictionary.com/browse/finna "Finna:

a phonetic spelling representing the African American Vernacular English variant of fixing to, a phrase commonly used in Southern U.S. dialects to mark the immediate future while indicating preparation or planning already in progress:

Oh, no, she finna break his heart!

ORIGIN OF FINNA

First recorded in 1985–90"

**** SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THE VLOG THAT IS SHOWCASED ABOVE These comments are presented in relative chronological order based on their publishing date with the earliest date given first, except for replies. Numbers are added for referencing purposes only. [Full disclosure: I couldn't resist adding a comment to this YouTube discussion thread. The edited [for clarity] version of that comment is given as this post's last comment.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOgKI4QNGlU&t=6s&ab_channel=TeeNoir 2020 1.steff "As someone who's not black I had NO IDEA that speaking that way is offensive.

I honestly thought it was just a cute and funny internet slang. I am kinda cringing now because I used to always say things like 'chile' and 'periodt'. Thanks for this video!" ** Reply 2, Chloe ! "saame." ** Reply 3. Rare Nature Girl "How can yall all be American live in the same country and think that how another group of people’s slang ( who are from the same country) is an Internet slang? I’m not American and I never thought AAVE is an Internet slang... I’m asking because this is super confusing to me" ** Reply 4. steff "@Rare Nature Girl  I'm not American either. So the only times I have heard AAVE is through the internet." ** Reply 5. John Tilapia "Woooooooooooooow. Just wow. So youve never been around actual black people?" ** Reply  6. steff "@John Tilapia  Barely. I've seen a few in person but that's practically nothing. My country has different culturea and races but there's barely any actual black people." ** Reply 7. Tsuki Selene "@John Tilapia  black people =/= African Americans. I never met with an African American in real life, but I live in Africa, hence I never heard AAVE in real life" -snip- "black people =/= African Americans" means "Black people doesn't equal "African Americans" (since there are other populations of Black people besides African Americans) ** Reply 8. morganfreemanwannabe, 2021 "I'm so glad to see that I'm not alone in noticing this. I've tried to point out the prevalence of AAVE in environments like Instagram / Tik Tok by a predominantly white user base, to some of my friends, and they've been like, "what are you talking about?" And I'm like, "dude, it's so obvious, it's like 50% of Gen z and even many millennials are randomly putting on a blaccent and adopting AAVE for its "coolness". I mean, I of course have no issue with a blaccent and a blaccent and AAVE certainly have their own inherent appeals, but at the point that it's so put on and contrived, it starts to bother me. Like my brother (25 years old) over the last few years just gradually started using a blaccent and using more and more AAVE and I'm like, "bro, I've known you your entire life. Our household accent was detached midwestern, we're about as white as it gets- wtf are you doing? Lol"

** 9. Diana R " "people love it for parody but hate it when it's authentic" -

oh my god you hit the NAIL on the HEAD" ** 10. tiffanyferg "So many great points! Non-Black people have been ignorant about using AAVE for so long, I’m glad to see these conversations being brought to the mainstream. I wish everyone would learn and acknowledge the history / origins of these terms — so much of what people consider “internet culture” is really Black culture. I took an intro to LGBTQ+ class, watched Paris is Burning, and realized so much of the popular terms these days came from Black drag queens and ballroom culture. The more you know!! (Also thank you for mentioning me, that’s so sweet 🥺💛)"

** Reply 11. Grace Pearson "But just because AAVE comes from African Americans doesn’t mean that non black people cant use it. If you grow up in an area (such as a majority black area) where everyone speaks this dialect of course you’re going to speak it, it doesn’t matter what race you are." ** Reply 12. Patricia Clay, 2021 "@Grace Pearson  she wasn’t talking about those people, was she?  She was specifically speaking on white folks using AAVE for humorous effect, rather than actually using their wit to get laughs."

** 13. Dheon Smith "This really called out a lot of the gay white men and their “inner black woman”
** Reply 14. ana cambursano "HA so so true" ** Reply 15. R "Straight Black women have been "appropriating" the ballroom/gay culture since the 70s the fact is that it was gay before it was black but go off" ** Reply 16. Naczely Franco "@R 

ballroom was started by Black and Latino lgbt youth tho. so im not sure what point youre making here. They had originally started as integrated scenes but racism that ran rampant in the lgbt community in the 1920s alienated black and latino lgbt youth. the ballroom culture we know today has black and latino lgbt origins so its not fair to say it was "gay before black". ** Reply 17. Introvertsan "@R  more like they got most lingo from black women and carried it to ballroom then it spread as people shared it with their community plus made some of their own words" ** Reply 18. Tee Noir "@rr You really shoulda fact checked this before you commented just to save us all the secondhand embarrassment. This is so incorrect. :/" ** Reply 19. Sofi ONCE "@R people of color were the people IN ballroom culture, stop trying to white washing history..." ** Reply 20. Memphis Hoe "rr you’re making out like gay and black only exist separately 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️. Ballroom culture was founded by BLACK people." ** Reply 21. Michael G "YES. A LOT more gay men should be called for this very thing. I have PLENTY of friends who resort to a "sassy black woman" caricature when they are playfully arguing or being confronted.

Even had a co-worker who identified as gay that I was (work) friends with. He would talk with his normal voice at 90% of the time until it came to being playfully confronted and he took as a chance to be funny, saying such timless racist remarks such as, "Oh hell to the no-no".

Imagine my face becoming numb and emotionless.

** Reply 22. Dante Ferrise "Michael G right but that is different than words the lgbt community has taken on as part of their culture like...slay, Sis, shade, tea, mawmaw, boots, (tongue pops), okurr, hiyee and byeeee, girl gurl girrrrl. You may take offense to it but to most gay people they just see it as part of their community. This whole debate is like the chicken or the egg. Does where something came from matter more than where it went and molded into? Because if that is the case then we what should all be stuck in the past and never grow or expand as human beings? I MEAN IT ISNT THAT SERIOUS IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS. Plus people are always going to be offensive but it is up to you whether you choose to be offended or not because as sad it may be we choose to be offended we choose to let things bother us or we choose to not let things get under our skin and not let it have a negative impact on us. It is the ways of human life...the sooner people open their eyes and accept that the sooner we can move on from this time of picking every little detail of every person who has ever existed in the public eye apart and I don’t know focus on things that actually matter like ALL BLACK LIVES (I said all because people in all communities but especially the black community like to ignore black gay and trans people being killed), burning thee entire prison industrial complex to ground, and putting a stop to all of the divides in our country and start working together for once. That would be great."

** Reply 23. David Miguel Grado "You took the words out of my typing fingers it’s extra annoying yet they’re the most racist ones but looooooove to flaunt their “inner black woman” with their other gay white friends or girlfriends" **
24. Audriana C. "When a white person uses AAVE they’re “funny or trendy” but when a black person speaks properly we’re “white washed” " ** 25. butchqueensupreme
"IMO, using a "blaccent" and aave with the intention to appear more humorous is just modern-day blackface" **

26. Liz Fritz "My mom uses AAVE with her black students and says she is “speaking their language”. She uses it to be “credible” with them and connect.

I have been trying so hard to find a video explaining why it’s inappropriate because she won’t listen to me. This video is definitely gonna help 🙏" ** Reply 27. Tee Noir "Oh wow I'm glad my video could help! There are dozens of other ways to connect with and build trust with her Black students. I hope she can find them 😊" ** Reply 28. Roro "This would make me feel so uncomfortable and disrespected I really hope you had that talk with her. As a black student when I see teachers do this it feels more like mocking then trying to understand us...." ** Reply 29. Tay for a Day "I had a teacher who did that, even before I became ‘woke’ and stuff, I was always uncomfortable. It makes us feel like you’re making fun of us or trying to ‘get down on our level’. Tell her even if she thinks no one notices, we all notice and people are probably talking about her behind her back" ** Reply 30. alyssa eatsass "absolutely haTe when a teacher does this near me or towards me. The uncomfortable levels in the room 📈" ** Reply 31. Aurora Rosa "Tay for a Day I literally hate this too. Especially because I live in the U.K. and have a welsh accent so literally speak nothing like a stereotypical black American so when someone does use that accent and vocabulary with me it’s like wtf I literally don’t even speak anything like that so why are you speaking like that to me 🤨🤔" ** Reply 32. KD "I had a teacher like that and we all hated his guts. We dreaded going to his class. The most annoying thing is a lot of us would be speaking standard English and he's like "you finna pass this test if you keep grinding" 🙄" ** Reply 33. Akane1313 "I hope it helps her understand. My black teachers didn’t use aave in class so I certainly wouldn’t have liked hearing it from my white teachers. I’m sure she didn’t speak that way during her job interview and for a teacher, a classroom is still a professional setting and using aave with her black students can come off as talking down to them. As though they can’t understand if she speaks standard English." ** Reply 34. Are Are "absolutely the worst way to try and connect with students. i always felt uncomfortable and embarrassed for the teacher when they did this"

** Reply 35. skellagyook "And would seem even more offensive, in my opinion, if she insists on speaking AAVE to a black student who doesn't speak AAVE (i.e. who speaks standard English, or something else)." ** Reply 36. Aurora Rosa "Bayboy 925 but my point is I’m not American so when people use the accent that this person in the video is talking about whilst I am in the U.K. and they are British and know that I am also British it can be annoying because I literately speak with a welsh accent not a stereotypical black American accent, so skin colour 'should’ have nothing to do with it if I and the person who uses it live in the U.K. I’m not talking about them doing a stereotypical “black British voice” it’s literally an American one that they do" ** Reply 37. Sleipnirseight "Damn. I mean, letting her read the responses to your comment alone should convince her. Cringe as hell"

** Reply 38. Reynaldo Abadia "As a black student that has had several teachers try and do the same thing, I can guarantee it only creates more of a divide/disconnect. We can tell when the expression isn’t authentic" ** Reply 39. Diara Morris Bowen "OMG please tell your mom she's gotta stop. Hopefully she'll understand that it's not a good idea. Young people, black or otherwise, can smell inauthenticity a mile away. I would even assume the students think she's corny, not "cool" or relatable at all, and depending on the age of the kids, even offended by it".

** Reply 40. KD " @Leoleonpd  As someone who speaks in AAVE and who had the same experience. YES. It's strange.

We can tell when you don't speak it naturally. It's like being a British person, speaking in a British accent with British terms, and an American start putting on a fake-ass British accent to fit in within.

"oh why yes. That is funny. By the way, would you like a spot of tea?" See how stupid that would sound?" ** Reply 41. deetleskeet "Liz Fritz Thank you for trying.  We actually find that condescending and actually make fun of the people who do this.  We don’t take them seriously at all.  More than likely, these same students are mocking her and laughing at her behind her back.  

I’ve seen it million times. ** 42. 111 111 "If you guys don't see how problematic this is, imagine if a Non-POC used an Indian or Mexican or Chinese accent just to exemplify a negative trait for comedic effect."

** [Pancocojams Editor's Note: From #43 to #69, the commenters are mimicking and otherwise making fun of way that people who aren't familiar with AAVE misuse the word finna and other AAVE words.] 43. Vincent Gonzalez " "Do be finna gon slay" took me out.... I hate when people use AAVE incorrectly its like hearing nails on a chalkboard"

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Reply 44. I’m bored, So I play subway surfers " “Sis do be finna gone slaaaay”

English is not my first language but that physically hurt"

** 45. Kat Blaque "Ok but sis DO go finna be slay!!!!!!" ** Reply 46. MJ’s Everything "Period!!!"

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47. Ashley Flynn "She DOOOO"

** Reply 48. Maryam X "I cringed so hard"

** Reply 49. Karma Justice "🥴" ** Reply 50. haunt "Austin Keefe she’s literally black—" -snip- "She" in this comment refers to the commenter Kat Blaque.

** Reply 51. Filtrations "Austin Keefe issa joke 💀" ** Reply 52. lawrencia "@haunt

not all black people grew up talking like that, so stopp!"

** Reply 53. iver "@lawrencia  it's a joke"

** Reply 54. inita "This comment hurt my soul 😭😭😭

but Its really how some these white n nonblk folks be talking"

** Reply 55. haunt "SnugglexMSP she’s mocking how white people use AAVE"

** Reply 56. Meagan Hiller "This thread. “Sister went did go offff! For period!”

** Reply 57. Noot "I like the layering of humor here"

** Reply 58. lawrencia "@haunt lol but im white and i know thats not how they talk"

** Reply 59. CrimsonAngel "It's funny how half the replies didn't realize this was ajoke lol.

She was poking fun at how the non-black people who mockingly use AAVE for clout sound."

** Reply 60. Conrad "PERIODT!!!!!"

** Reply 61. H B "DarkEmoAngel Its literally being cited from the video 😐

they too busy arguing in the comments to be listening."

** Reply 62. Stoopid Crumpet "@Gothic Boy 

10:08 they were quoting this part lmao"

** Reply 63. Lily "and that's on chile queen period 😌✨"

** Reply 64. Samantha Chevez "@lawrencia  kat was making fun of how people misuse aave"

** Reply 65. Dolla Baby, 2021 "This comments still hold weight 😂😂😂

in tears chile"

** Reply 66. It's MK, 2021 " "Sis do be finna goin slay" GIRL PLZZZ- 😭✋

that doesn't even make sense. Y'all, if u don't know wut something means, don't say it."

** Reply 67. Zamani, 2021 " "sis do be finna gon slay" SENT MEEE.... But for real though, it irks me to go on social media and watch non-black creators make a profit off of what we were berated for!!" ** 68. XanThePoet "crazy thing is the “sis do be finna go and slay” example probably went over a lot of non-black people’s heads cause they genuinely don’t understand the structure of AAVE." ** Reply 69. G Jones " they don't understand that aave has grammar and you can't just say random words together" ** 70. Thais Carvalho

"Hey...

Would you mind explaining why that sentence is a subversion of AAVE?

Like... What it means and how it should actually be?

I'm a Brazilian who speaks English as a Foreign language,

I'm asking out of curiosity.

Thank you 😊" ** Reply 71. Thais Carvalho "(I mean... I understand the "do be" and the "gon slay". I don't get it the way it was used and why it's incorrect. Hahaha)"

** Reply 72. Vincent Gonzalez "@Thais Carvalho  so in context Finna or Fonna depending on ones accent is the AAVE version of "going to" so adding gon or gonna after the use of finna is redundant. One correct way to use 8t would be to say "We're fonna get something to eat. You comin?" " ** Reply 73. pompompurin enjoyer "@Thais Carvalho  "do be finna gon slay" let's break it down!

do be = "kinda"

finna = fixing to (=going to)

gon = going to

slay (self explanatory)

so they're basically saying "it kinda going to going to

slay" which doesnt make sense and is also so embarrassing LOL" ** Reply 74. Azizi Powell "@pompompurin enjoyer  Here's another possible interpretation for that cringy incorrect example of African American VernacularEnglish:

do be = really is

finna = getting ready to

gon = going to

slay = https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slay "killed it, succeeded in something amazing. [top definition on that page]

The words "do be" might be emphasized if this sentence were spoken. The word "gon" -which is an incorrect approximation of "gonna"- wouldn't be included in that sentence because it's redundant. My guess is that the correct AAVE sentence would be "Sis Do Be finna to slay." and means something like "That Black woman Really is getting ready to impress [other people]."

Btw, I'm a 73 year old African American and I've never used either "fixin/g to" or "finna" and I don't think I've ever had a "blaccent". I believe that "fixin to" has been used by Black folks much more often in New Jersey and Pennsylvania where I've lived than the word "finna". Actually, the only time I heard the word "Finna" was from a young Black woman who I later learned was from the South. I don't recall ever hearing any non-Black folks using either "fixin to" or "finna".

Great video! I'm a new subscriber."

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