Rob & Jazz Dulcemania, Jan 16, 2012
Taken from a documentary about the history of reggae in
England. Yes that's The Prince Talking, also Dave B. and Romeo. You seen it
yet?
I can't believe nobody had found this and put this up yet. Check my other videos. All of them.
****Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post showcases a YouTube video about the original non-racist skinheads in the United Kingdom and in other European nations.
This post also includes selected comments from the discussion thread for that YouTube video.
Thanks to the producers of that documentary and thanks to the publisher of thist video on YouTube. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post.
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Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2024/11/the-song-my-boy-lollipop-and-american.html for the related pancocojams post entitled "The Song "My Boy Lollipop" And The American Roots Of Jamaican Ska Music." That post includes some information about the history of Ska music.
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THIS VIDEO'S DISCUSSION THREAD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6y8SZSsQbQ
WARNING - A minimum amount of profanity is included in some of these comments. Those words are given in this post with amended spelling.
Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.
1. @hadidphiron420, 2013
"oi. almost all these songs can be found on the soundtrack to the original 70s skinhead flick from jamaica " the Harder They come" this song in the start of this video is desmond dekker and the aces. track one disc two. are you a skinhead? if so good luck mate! und cheers!"
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2. @RobTheTrojanSkin, 2013
"Desmond Dekker - Poor Me Israelites the 2nd Dave and Ansell
Collins - Double Barrel, the 3rd Upsetters - Return of Django, the 4th Max
Romeo- Wet Dream"
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This commenter identifies the music from that documentary.
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3. @hadidphiron420, 2012
"desmond dekker . song title "the isrealites"
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4. @RobTheTrojanSkin, 2014
"It's from Reggae Britannia... Documentary by the BBC"
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5. @leggozombieslayin, 2014
"Ha, I didn't know skinhead had a positive connotation"
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6. @Scoring57, 2015
"Holy f-ckin* sh-t* The
media ruined or is it the racists who stole the name as entitled whites always
do? There are racists using rap music for their message now. The media had
nothing to do with it"
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*These words were fully spelled out in this comment.
Reply
"@Scoring57 research the national front, i'm certain
you'll find your answer there."
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8. @Scoring57, 2015
By being nazis while calling themselves
"skinheads"?"
9. @Scoring57, 2019
" @markrichardson1657
I know about that group. And I didn't ask question, I was
making a statement then. Racists took it like they do everything else"
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10. @markrichardson1657, 2019
"@Scoring57 next time refrain from using a question mark,
becsuse that inturn makes a literate person believe you're posing a question."
Reply
"@Scoring57 the
original Skinheads were anti racist whites who were inspired by the Jamaican
Rude Boys. Some Racist Neo Nazis began adopt the skinhead subculture. The media
focused on them as they were working class. This allowed the Neo Nazis to
hijack the movement and rebrand it. The original skinheads were basically
wiggers."
Reply
12. @RobTheTrojanSkin, 2019
"
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13. @Scoring57, 2020
" Black Rose
Or it was racists who appropriated something as they
typically do (with whyte supremacists and anti-sjws saying "king"
now) and media simply reflected that. Art imitating life? Whyte people are
going to appropriate regardless so it's not the medias fault."
Reply
14. @TheVaim, 2021
"@Scoring57 racists didn't appropriate sh-t*. Look, the skinhead movement was a working class thing. Some neo nazis saw an opportunity to push their agenda towards (the sometimes somewhat naive) working class people with the typical "look at all those foreigners taking your jobs" narrative. Some of those people influenced, happened to be skinheads, they went to beat up an Indian or Pakistani shop owner. At first it said in the newspaper that "racist skinheads beat up a foreigner", which gradually turned into "skinheads beat up foreigners", which in turn gave the word "skinhead" a bad connotation in the mainstream/common people's heads. Racists, neo nazis and other similar scum didn't claim the "skinhead" name, they didn't take it away, it was given to them on a platter by the media and society."
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.
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15. @Scoring57, 2021
"@TheVaim
Well they kind of did the moment some "working
class" skinheads go together with them. If you don't make clear
distinctions you can't blame others when you're grouped together"
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16. @TheVaim, 2021
"@Scoring57 You really need to brush up on what Skinheads
are about and their history before you start to write your comments, because
they do not make one bit of sense. Skinheads have been railing against racism
and made clear that they are not a racist movement. Go take a look at SHARP and
co... And yes, I can perfectly blame others when they f-cked* over a whole
movement by turning them into a synonym for racist while the majority of
Skinheads are nothing of the sort.
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.
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17. @spunkospunko4800, 2022
"At last someone who actually knows how it was"
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18. @alexcorbett4364, 2015
"BOOTS AND BRACES DONT MAKE A RACIST!!!"
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19. @djbeatz37, 2016
"You know that.x"
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20. @tonytanner4863, 2017
"SALUTE THIS MAN!"
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21. @sowhat.., 2019
"What braces?"
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22. @cvl8722, 2021
"
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Here's an article excerpt about Dr. Marten boots and United Kingdom's skinheads:
..."Initially worn by postmen and factory workers, Dr. Martens’ first few years of existence was very much that of a £2 work-wear boot, selling solid quantities to Britain’s working classes. Then something incredible started to happen..
Without any warning or intent, Dr. Martens were suddenly picked up by early multi-cultural, ska-loving skinheads – who proudly championed British working class style. Shortly after, Pete Townshend of The Who became the first high profile individual to wear them as a symbol of his own working class pride and rebellious attitude. In so doing, both first generation skinheads and Townshend altered the course of the brand’s history, changing this functional work-wear boot into a subcultural essential."...
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One meaning for "braces" in the United Kingdom is what Americans refer to as "suspenders"https://www.quora.com/British-people-say-braces-when-Americans-would-use-suspenders-Whats-the-British-word-for-braces-for-your-teeth
23. @enriquegs4242, 2016
"the jamaican music ( ska , rocksteady/bluebeat and early reggae/skinhead reggae/ heavy reggae ) was very popular music in u.k in the late 60's and early 70's , at that time it was very fashionable between the first skinheads but this music was not the its reason for being , the skinhead culture would emerged anyway with or without jamaican music , i like this kind of music too but when someone says "skinheads could not exist without jamaica" makes me laugh , oi it's the music made by skinheads for skinheads"
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24. @enriquegs4242, 2016
"the first skinhead were jamaicans? looooooool , the rude boys was jamaicans the first skinheads was BRITISH darling"
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25. @enriquegs4242, 2016
"rude boys with boots , come on man , don't invent historys please , rude boys just used short hair not shave head and never wear boots"
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26. @enriquegs4242, 2016
"another different thing is that here in england some rude boys copy the skinhead look and some skinheads copy the rude boys look but never but there never was skinheads in jamaica"
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27. @enriquegs4242. 2016
"skinheads born in england in 60's and grew and developed in
late 70's and early 80's in england and the rest of europe , jamaican music was
widely accepted between the first skinheads that's all but but neither Jamaica
or rude boys or jamaican music contributed in nothing besides Fun and
entertainment , that's the reality so wake up , skinheads was are and will 100%
european and an identity and patriotic movement"
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28. @enriquegs4242, 2016
"+Enrique Gs surely u are from usa , u don't know nothing
about europe , nothing about uk , nothing about spain and off course nothing
about skinheads"
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This sub-thread no longer includes any comment with the screen name "Enrique Gs".
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29. @enriquegs4242
"introduce myself? looooool , there a skinhead movement in
the whole europe since early 80's i don't need introduce nothing i'm spanish
and proud to be , proud of my history my
ancestors and my culture ,skinheads born in england off course but the movement
grew and developed in the whole europe since early 80's spain , italy , france
, belgium , germany , netherlands , sweden ect...are countrys with a long
skinhead tradition , however i live in london since 4 years ago and off course
i know many old skinheads from 80's so don't pretend teach me nothing about
skinheads"
30. @blaineca, 2016
"+Enrique Gs I'll translate for you: "I don't want to be a real skinhead, but I want to look like one.""
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31. @enriquegs4242, 2016
"americans try to teach europeans about skinheads that's the funny xd"
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32. @indy5624, 2018
"Skinheads were just a follow up to the hard Mod look, so unless you was there,which i doubt then you know bugger all about what was happening towards the late 60s UK. the Suedehead style was partly an influence from the Jamaican rude boy look which came into its own when Two Tone hit the streets."
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33. @RobTheTrojanSkin, 2019
"a w skinhead came about during the volatile and
racist 60s and the skinheads were generally more accepting of integration than
the masses. We all know the early skins were subject to anti-immigrant
intolerance. But "reggae brings unity between black and white"... And
Reggae is unquestionably the original skinhead music and is better than glam,
punk, oi, hxc in my opinion."
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34. @RobTheTrojanSkin, 2019
"@enriquegs4242 you a nationalist? Ya know, the US has had
skins since the late 70s and has a rich history, including a bloody war which
stopped the Nazi bandwagon. But we don't care about Europe, we care about our
continent."
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35. @RobTheTrojanSkin, 2021
"
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36. @dadfisher123, 2018
"Skinhead No bonehead ! Skinhead a way of life! Oi from Sweden 😀"
37. @pateris, 2021
"REAL Skinheads, before those feckin' fascists came in to bollocks things up ans spoil the fun…"
38. @leshughes748, 2021
"True skins are no way racist…. Black white we all fought together. One love. 🇬🇧👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🇬🇧🇬🇧"
39. @jamesdriscoll2216, 2022
"Love this then and still to this day best times of my life love n unity skaaaaaa"
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40. @alexanderSydneyOz, 2022
"British love of music is color blind. They just love great music, which, of course, includes just about everything made by african heritage people anywhere. And how good was Double Barrel?! Good God!"
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41. @xatoriusxVSExbhuttoriusx, 2022
"...WORD DUDE!..."
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42. @dogshumans9547, 2022
"Boneheads are not skinheads!"
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43. @ownstyle5878, 2023
"It’s one of the saddest things ever mate. A culture that
brought people together, united people. Was hijacked and used as a medium to
divide people based on where they come from. It truly brings a tears to my eyes
thinking about 😢😢"
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44. @urareknaw, 2024
"Toots and the Maytals. True Skinhead tunes. Skinhead Oi! No
politics No Racism.
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