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Showing posts with label African American fife and drum bands. Show all posts
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Wednesday, September 29, 2021

Videos Showing The Similarities Between African American Fife & Drum Bands & Brazilian Zabumba Ensembles



Alan Lomax Archive, May 21, 2012

Othar Turner's Rising Star Fife & Drum band (Turner, fife; G.D. Young, bass drum; E.P. Burton, snare; Eddie Ware, snare) playing a picnic at Othar's farm. Shot by Alan Lomax, John Bishop, and Worth Long in Gravel Springs, Mississippi, August 1978

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Video #2: African-American Fife & Drum Music: Mississippi & Jamaica

hultonclint, Feb 1, 2009

This is archival (?which) footage of a fife and drum group of Ed and Lonnie Young of Mississippi.  I believe it was recorded by Alan Lomax, sometime between 1959 and the early 60s.  They use a fife made of cane, and drums adapted from military bands.

It is interesting how similar it is, not just in form but also in actual content, to the fife and drum playing of "John Canoe" processional music of Jamaica.  I have put just a quick sample of that from a 1954 recording, at the end.

[My purpose for posting is to draw out this comparison, which would probably not be noticed otherwise (the clip being buried in Martin Scorcese's documentary on Blues), but if it appears to infringe someone's copyright, please contact me.]

EDIT: "This footage was shot during the 1966 Newport Folk Festival, indeed by Alan Lomax. Ed Young plays the fife; Lonnie Young, Sr., the snare; and G.D. Young, the bass drum. Lomax's audio recordings from Newport '66, including those of the Youngs, are available through the online archive of the Association for Cultural Equity (Alan Lomax Archive)." - AlanLomaxArchive

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Video #3: Novena com zabumbeiros no povoado Fontinha em Tobias Barreto


MARCIO MIPIDEIAS, Apr 24, 2020

As tradicionais Novenas realizadas pelos antigos moradores da zona rural de Tobias Barreto estão sendo esquecidas ao longo do tempo. Hoje em dia apenas algumas famílias realizam e chamam os tocadores de zabumba para homenagear o Santo que representa a Novena.

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Google translate from Spanish to English 

The traditional Novenas performed by former residents of the rural area of Tobias Barreto are being forgotten over time. Nowadays, only a few families perform and call the zabumba players to honor the saint who represents the Novena.

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Video #3: Zabumba - A tradição das Bandas de Pífanos no Sertão de Canudos - Parte 2 / 3

Iris de Oliveira, Apr 26, 2011

Em Canudos Velho, sertão da Bahia, região onde aconteceu uma guerra no século 19, a cultura popular tem tornado-se um dos elementos que remetem às suas origens. A tradição da Zabumba, como é também conhecida as Bandas de Pífanos na região, é preservada por quatro irmãos que juntos mantêm viva a memória de seus antepassados. Quiquio, 19 anos, flautista e líder do grupo, sai em busca de suas raízes, dialoga e visita parentes, seus costumes, histórias, músicos jovens e mestres em outras localidades da região.
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Google translate from Portuguese to English:
In Canudos Velho, in the hinterland of Bahia, a region where a war took place in the 19th century, popular culture has become one of the elements that refer to its origins. The Zabumba tradition, as the Fife Bands are also known in the region, is preserved by four brothers who together keep alive the memory of their ancestors. Quiquio, 19, a flutist and leader of the group, goes out in search of his roots, talks and visits relatives, their customs, stories, young musicians and masters in other parts of the region.
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A zabumba ensemble can be seen around 7:00 to around 10:35 in this video.

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post presents YouTube examples of African American fife & drum bands and YouTube examples of  Brazilian zabumba ensembles. 

This post also includes information about American fife and drum bands and information about Brazil's zabumba ensembles.

The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

Thanks to all those who are featured in these videos and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the producers of these videos and the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/03/african-other-sources-of-african.html for a March 2021 pancocojams post entitled "
Similarities Between African American Fife And Drum Music & Certain Traditional African Music and Other Traditional Music (YouTube discussion thread comments)".

That post showcases the first video that is showcased in this Sept. 2021 post and includes some comments from that video's discussion thread.

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INFORMATION ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICAN FIFE AND DRUM BANDS
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fife_and_drum_blues
"Fife and drum blues is an American folk music form derived from country blues, martial music tradition, and African rhythms. It is performed typically with one lead fife player and a troop of drummers. Unlike a drum corps, the drum troop is loosely structured. As such, a fife and drum band may have a variable number of snare, tom, and bass drum players. A large military-style bass drum is preferred. Fife and drum performances are often family affairs held at reunions, summer community picnics, and on holidays.

History

Pre-American Civil War military fife and drum bands provided a rough framework which black musicians would fill with African and African-American influences to create a new music. Black fife and drum music persists in a stretch of Southern states stretching from northwest Georgia to an area south of Memphis, namely North Mississippi. The music is infused with Euro-American military drum tradition and distinctly African polyrhythms, talking drum influence, and call and response patterns. Performers play blues, marches, minstrel show pieces, popular music, instrumentals, and spirituals such as "When the Saints Go Marching In", "When I Lay My Burden Down", "My Babe" and "Sitting on Top of the World".[1] A "march" becomes more of a swaying dance, sometimes led by a dancer, and singing comes in sporadic shouts, whoops, and moans from the different players. While spirituals are sometimes played, gatherings of drum and fife music are not religious in nature and not held on Sundays or in church.

Alan Lomax first recorded black fife and drum music in 1942. He found a group, including Sid Hemphill, near Sledge, Mississippi consisting of a cane fife, two snare drums, and a bass drum. These same musicians constituted themselves as a string band, using violin, banjo, guitar, and bass drum, and also incorporated quills.[2]"

Notable performers include Napoleon Strickland, Othar Turner, Turner's granddaughter Shardé Thomas, Turner's daughter, Bernice, Jessie Mae Hemphill, Ed and Lonnie Young, and the Mitchel Brothers from Georgia.
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Click the "African American fife and drum bands" tag for more pancocojams posts on this subject.

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INFORMATION ABOUT BRAZIL'S ZABUMBA ENSEMBLE
Excerpt #1:
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabumba
"A zabumba (Portuguese pronunciation: [zaˈbũbɐ]) is a type of bass drum used in Brazilian music. The player wears the drum while standing up and uses both hands while playing.

The zabumba generally ranges in diameter from 16 to 22 inches, and is 5 to 8 inches tall. The shell is made of wood and may utilize either skin or plastic drum heads and is usually tensioned via metal lugs and tension rods. The top head is usually muted with tape or cloth strip(s) and struck with a cloth-covered mallet (held in the right hand) to produce a low fundamental note with minimal overtones. The bottom head is tuned tighter and is struck with a thin, twig-like stick called a bacalhau which is held in the left hand to produce a high fundamental with a sharp attack and numerous overtones."

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Excerpt #2
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOSkO5_Q__A&ab_channel=KALANGO%7Cbrazilianinstruments published by KALANGO | brazilian instruments, Jun 21, 2017

The zabumba is the heartbeat of any Forró-, Baião-, Xote- or Xaxado ensemble. Just like the surdo in Samba it plays the base and provides the pulse while pushing forward to jump up and dance with its syncopated rhythms. The playing technique is a little different: the superior head - which is equipped with a nylon head for a stronger attack - is played with a short, padded mallet, whilst the resonance head is played with a thin switch producing the typical constrast with contrarhythms. A good zabumba player knows how to make you dance even if you are not much of dancer. Always on his side - the triangle, the accordeon and a singer. An 18" zabumba is a great medium size and offers many various tuning possibilities."...

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Excerpt #3
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT9tlAP237E&ab_channel=KALANGO%7Cbrazilianinstruments published by KALANGO | brazilian instruments, Jun 21, 2017
20'' rustical aluminium zabumba - for traditional Forró and north-east Brazilian dance nights!

A zabumba must not be missing in any Forró-, Baião-, Xote- or Xaxado ensemble. It gives the pulse and pushes everyone to dance with its syncopated beats. Even if you're not into dancing much, a good zabumba player - together with accordeon, triangel and vocals - will make you take your shoes off! Zabumbas are played with a soft and short mallet on the superior head, in this case equipped with a nylon head for stronger attack. To make the sound warmer, you can muffle the head with some tape and a piece of cloth or use a nappa head, it depends on what sound you prefer! To produce the typical contrast, the contrarhythms on the other side of the zabumba are played with a thin switch on a nylon head. Za-bum-ba, that's how it sounds!

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Two Sound Files & Two Videos Of The Old Time Music Tune & Song "Granny, Do Your Dog Bite?"



Otha Turner, Nov. 5, 2014

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II of the  pancocojams series on the Old Time Music tune and song "Granny Does Your Dog Bite?". That tune/song is also known as "Chicken In The Bread Tray".

This post presents two sound files and one video of "Granny Will Your Dog Bite".
 
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/09/information-about-lyrics-for-granny.html for Part I of this series. That post presents several excerpts about the tune/song "Granny Will Your Dog Bite". These excerpts include lyrics for that tune/song. Additional lyrics for "Granny Will Your Dog Bite" are also included in this post.

The content of this post is presented for folkloric, cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are featured in these YouTube examples. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post.

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ADDITIONAL SHOWCASE YOUTUBE EXAMPLES

Example #2:  Granny Does Your Dog Bite - Laney Lou & The Bird Dogs | Live at the Filling Station 2.17.2017


Laney Lou and the Bird Dogs

We hope you enjoy Granny Does Your Dog Bite, live at the Filling Station on a gorgeous night in Bozeman, MT. Cheers!

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Example #3: Tommy Jarrell - Granny Will Your Dog Bite



Banjerholler, Sept. 25, 2012

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Example #4 :  Granny will your dog bite? - a traditional fiddle tune


Dany Rosevear, July 31, 2018

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Granny will your dog bite, cow kick, cat scratch?
Granny will your hen peck, sow root the corn patch?
Granny will your duck quack, old grey goose hiss?
Granny will your dog bite? "No, child, no!"

Open up the gate and walk on through,
Spy an old dog but he won’t bite you.
Granny will your dog bite? "No, child, no!"
Hog bit’er pecker off a long time ago.

Chicken in the bread pan, bread pan, bread pan,
Chicken in the bread pan, scratching out dough.
Rooster in the barnyard, barnyard, barnyard,
Rooster in the barnyard, a-strutting while he crows.

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This concludes Part II of this two part pancocojams series on "Granny Will Your Dog Bite?" 

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Information About & Lyrics For "Granny Will Your Dog Bite?" ("Chicken In The Bread Tray")

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part I of the  pancocojams series on the Old Time Music tune and song "Granny Does Your Dog Bite?". "Granny Will Your Dog Bite?" is also known as "Chicken In The Bread Tray" and other titles.

This post presents several excerpts about the tune/song "Granny Will Your Dog Bite". These excerpts include lyrics for that song. Additional lyrics for "Granny Will Your Dog Bite" are also included in this post.

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/09/two-sound-files-two-videos-of-old-time.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. Part II presents two sound files and two videos of the Old Time Music tune/song "Granny Will Your Dog Bite".
 
The content of this post is presented for folkloric, historical, cultural, and entertainment purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to the unknown composers of "Granny Will Your Dog Bite". Thanks to the collectors of this song and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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EXCERPTS ABOUT THE SONG "GRANNY DOES YOUR DOG BITE"
These excerpts are presented in no particular order. Numbers are added for referencing purposes only.

Excerpt #1
From https://tunearch.org/wiki/Annotation:Granny_Will_Your_Dog_Bite%3F_(1)
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GRANNY, WILL YOUR DOG BITE? [1]. AKA and see "Betty Martin," "Boating Up Sandy (3)," "Brad Walters," "Chippy Get Your Hair Cut," Gippy Get Your Hair Cut," "Hog Eye an' a 'Tater," "Hog Eye Man (The)," "Hog Eye [1]," "Jake Gilly," "Jake Gillie," "Old Mother Gofour," "Old Granny Rattle-Trap (1)," "Pretty Betty Martin," "Very Pretty Martin," "Sally in the Garden (1)," "Tip Toe Fine," "Fire in the Mountain (1)," "Fire on the Mountain (1)." American, Reel and Song Tune. USA; Kentucky, Nebraska, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma. ...

This melody is a popular and widespread American old-time instrumental and song that can be found under several titles and in numerous variants. Tthe title "Granny Will Your Dog Bite" is itself also a floating title attached to several unrelated tunes. As a reel, it was frequently played at Mid-Western fiddle contests. 

R.P. Christeson says his version is dissimilar to the tune of the same title in Ford (1940), but is similar to "Tip Toe, Pretty Betty Martin" in the same book. Bayard (1981) notes the resemblance between this tune and the "Betty Martin" variants, many listed as alternates above. He believes the tune possibly has Norwegian connections (though he did not elaborate or offer sustaining information). The tune was recorded for the Library of Congress by musicologist/folklorist Vance Randolph from Ozarks Mountains fiddlers in the early 1940's (in particular from Arkansas fiddler Lon Jordan, in 1941), and was recorded commercially by Crockett's Kentucky Mountaineers in 1928. See also related tunes "Gate to Go Through" and "Old Coon Dog (2)."

 Ford (1940) said that "occasional verses" were sung by fiddlers while playing the tune, and indeed, various verses have been collected from both white and black sources. (Ford's collection area was the Mid-West, often Missouri, and Thede printed Oklahoma versions). Charles Wolfe (1991) remarks the tune has been collected widely from Mississippi to California, and notes that Ray Browne (writing in The Alabama Folk Lyric, 445) heard it often as a banjo tune popular more with blacks than whites.

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African-American collector Thomas Talley, in his Negro Folk Rhymes (edited in a new edition by Charles Wolfe in 1991) printed lyrics under the title "Chicken in the Bread Tray." They go:

Auntie, will yo dog bite?
No, Chile, No!
Chicken in the bread tray
A makin' up dough

Auntie, will yo broom hit?
Yes, Chile, Pop!
Chicken in the bread tray,
Flop, Flop, Flop!

Auntie, will you oven bake?
Yes, Jes fry!
What's dat chicken good fer?
Pie, Pie, Pie!

Auntie, is yo pie good?
Good as you could 'spec,
Chicken in the bread tray;
Peck, Peck, Peck!

Bruce Baker found the following reference in the North Carolina State Archives (Raleigh, N.C.) in the Lowry Shuford Collection in a folder marked "Civil War Reminiscences." The folder contains a document titled "From 1861 to 1865 As I Remember" by J. A. Bush, Sr., of Lenoir, N.C., wherein he writes:

D. A. Griffin was one of them (i.e. the musicians). When he came to Lenoir to be sworn in, he was playing on his fife, 'Oh, Granny, will your little dog bite? No, child, no.' He took his fife to camp with him and played every evening.

Baker concludes that, while there is no way of knowing which of the "Granny" tunes was the one Griffin played, the reference it "does suggest the tune was playable on a fife and that this floating lyric was floating around Caldwell Co., N.C., in the early 1860s."...
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The first portion of this comment beginning with the title "Granny Does Your Dog Bite?" was reformatted to enhance its readability.

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Excerpt #2
[given as is with typing or spelling errors]
From https://www.loc.gov/folklife/LP/AfroAmFolkMusicMissL67_opt.pdf "Afro-American Folk Music from Tate and Panola Counties, Mississippi"

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A5 Granny, Will Your Dog Bite

Spoken and played on the washtub by Compton Jones, ncar Senatobia,

MississiPPi, September 5, 1970. Recorded by David Evans. 

This highly repetitious piece, which consists here of fifteen almost identical couplets, is one of the most popular in this community. I have recorded it as a banjo piece, a children's rhyme, a fife and drum piece, a piece played on the drums only, and a chant by teenage girl cheerleaders at a community baseball game, accompanied by beating on the grandstand. Its popularity lies in the fact that the drum or other percussion instrument is made to correspond in its beats to the rhythm of the words.

When drummers do this, they say that they are making the drum "talk it." This ability to make the drums " talk it" is highly regarded in the community and is considered the sign of a good drummer. Older drummers often criticize the younger ones for making their beats depart too much from the rhythm of the words. 

Some performers in the area substitute "Sally" for "Granny" in this piece. The words are commonly encountered in both the black and white folk song traditions of the South, and Dorothy Scarborough says that it is a piece that "every Southerner knows." Its usual form is something like the following:

Chicken in the bread tray scratchinf( 0 111 dough.
Grall/l )' , will your dog bile? No, cbild, 110.

These lines are commonly heard as a "floating" couplet in various squaredance fiddle tunes.

The importance placed upon making a drum "talk it" can probably be related to the widespread African (especially West African) institution of "talking drums." In many African languages pitch and rhythm are important factors in the determination of word meaning. As a result, messages, usually of a proverbial or traditional nature, can be beaten on drums and understood by the speakers of the language. It would appear that this concept has persisted, in a considerably diluted and altered form, among black people in the United States. In the English language proper pitch and rhythm are not necessary for understanding, but something of the value placed upon them in African languages has been retained, as has the idea that speech can be reproduced on a musical instrument. The ability to make a guitar, harmonica, saxophone, or any instrument "talk" is one of the most important aesthetic criteria in all forms of black music and is particularly highly valued in this area of Mississippi. Usually, however, this expression is used only metaphorically, and it is not expected that the musician will actually play something that can be understood as a spoken statement. The recordings in this part of Mississippi of "Granny, Will Your Dog Bite" are, therefore, rather unusual in their strong emphasis upon correspondence between spoken text and instrumental rhythm. Like many African talking-drum messages, the words of this piece are almost proverbial. The real significance of the expression, if any, is difficult to determine. Questions about it only produce laughter and chuckles and the repetition of the phrase "Granny, will your dog bite? No, child, no." A probable reason for the laughter is the fact that the line is popular among children and therefore not to be given serious consideration. It functions with children as a practice rhythm for percussion

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playing. It is very similar to the kinds of one-measure phrases that form the rhythmic units in fife and drum music (cf. AI) and in much of the string-band dance music, which is moribund in the area today.

[Pancocojams Editor's Note: This summary includes here a lists of publication from 1922 through 1968 that include “Granny will your dog bite. The booklet text continues with these lyrics that end that commentary about that particular song.]

Granny, will your dog bite? Granny, will she bite?
Granny, will your dog bite? No, child, no.
Granny, will your dog bite? GranllY, will she bite?
Grallny, will your dog bite? No, child, no, child, no, child, no.
Etc.

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Excerpt #3
From https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=24197

1. Subject: RE: Granny does your dog bite?
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 10:57 PM

" "Granny" was a popular fiddle tune in the 1850s, and was adapted by Military Fife-and-Drum Corps on both sides of the Civil War. It is a regular part of the repitoire of the 3rd Maine Regimental Field Music (F&DC) Reenactment Unit, of which I am a Member. It has a really kickin' rudimental drum beat to it - particularly the bass, which really thunders. I too would like to know the lyrics; all I know is "Granny will yer dawg baht?; Hellfahre, no!". On the Ken Burns CW series, a historian recalls how when one Volunteer Regiment had all of it's Musicians shot down in battle, one enteprising Infantryman with a fiddle approached the Commanding Officer with the offer to "fiddle the boys in" on the next charge... which he did, to a rousing rendition of "Granny". It was his last tune."...

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2. Subject: RE: Granny does your dog bite?
From: PoohBear
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 10:59 PM

"That sounds like one of the lines from the chorus of "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" "

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3. Subject: RE: Granny does your dog bite?
From: Grab
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 08:30 AM

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PoohBear, it is - it's one of the lines in the chorus. The chorus is all names of fiddle tunes which Johnny and the Devil play. "Devil went back to Georgia" incidentally has a different chorus - same tune but with different fiddle tune names."

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4. Subject: RE: Granny does your dog bite?
From: GUEST,Journeyman Alto
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 10:33 AM

" "Granny does your dog bite, your hen peck, your rooster fight?
Your turkey walk a rail fence?" "No child no."
"Granny does your dog bite?" "No child no child,
Pappy took his biter off a long time ago." "

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Excerpt #4
From  
https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=51808
1. Subject: RE: Origin of Ida Red
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Sep 02 - 09:57 PM

"Bob Wills lyrics: the verse "My Old Missus ...set me free" occurs in many variations in Negro songs. "Chicken in the breadpan" is another floating or borrowed verse.

One of the many "set me free" verses, this one from Newman L. White, 1928, American Negro Folk-Songs, reported from Alabama, 1915.

My ole mistis promised me
When she died she'd set me free.
She lived so long
That her head got ball,
And the Lord couldn't kill her with a hickory maul.


Also this one from Alabama, 1915 (same reference):
Chicken in the bread tray
Scratching out dough;
Sally, will your dog bite?
No, child, no."

There are innumerable verses of this type, sung by both Negroes and Whites, and used in play-parties by children and adults. They pop up wherever a filler verse in needed.

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2. 
Subject: RE: Origin of Ida Red
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Sep 02 - 11:21 PM

"So, far, it seems that "Ida Red" is an old fiddle tune to which have been applied verses from numerous sources.

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There is a parallel fiddle tune called "Chicken in the Bread Tray" or "Granny, Will Your Dog Bite?" Here is what Talley says about it*. "Ira Ford, in his Traditional Music of America (1940) lists this as a square dance tune, with the lyrics as "occasional verses" fiddlers sang in calling sets. It has been called [Chicken- Granny] and has been collected widely from Mississippi to California [Note- also by Brown in North Carolina and by Randolph in Missouri]." "Ray Browne, in The Alabama Folk Lyric [1979], notes that he has heard it often as a banjo tune and that it "seems to be a greater favorite with Negros than Whites." The opening quatrain appears often in white old-time music recordings of the 1920s." Lines appear in "Shootin' Creek - Ida Red."...
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Regarding Guest's statement "Here is what Talley says about it", Guest is probably referring to Thomas W. Talley. Here's a quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_W._Talley "
Thomas Washington Talley (October 9, 1870 – July 14, 1952) was a chemistry professor at Fisk University and a collector of African American folk songs

[...]

Negro Folk Rhymes (Wise and Otherwise)

Talley began collecting rural black folk songs later in his life. Talley's first collection, published in 1922, Negro Folk Rhymes (Wise and Otherwise) contained 349 secular folksongs and spirituals. Already being well-known as the first such collection assembled by an African-American scholar,[2] the book was seen at the time as a "masterpiece of the field".[5] It was not only the first compilation of African-American secular folk songs, but also of folk songs of any kind from Tennessee.[2] An edited edition of Negro Folk Rhymes" was re-released in 1991. Additional published works about music by Talley include The Origin of Negro Traditions and A Systematic Chronology of Creation.[1]

 The publication of Negro Folk Rhymes marked a turning point in the study of African-American verse. Before its publication, little note had been taken of black secular traditions. Talley's book, along with a later collection by Howard Odum and Guy Johnson, called attention to these works."...
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It's possible that Thomas W. Talley could have written that information that Guest shared, but I think it's more likely that they were added to the 1991 edition of Negro Folk Rhymes by Charles Wolf, that edition's editor.

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3. Subject: RE: Origin of Ida Red
From: Stewie
Date: 26 Sep 02 - 07:59 PM

"Pope's Arkansas Mountaineers recorded a 'chicken in the breadpan' variant under the title 'Hog-eye' which has some lyric similarities with the 'Hog-eye Man', best known as a sea shanty. It is included in NLCR 'Old-Time String Band Songbook' and has been released on CD in Dr Bill McNeil's box set 'Somewhere in Arkansas: Early Country Music Recordings From Arkansas 1928-1932' Center for Arkansas and Regional Studies, no catalogue #. Below is McNeil's transcription:

HOG-EYE

Chicken in the breadpan kicking up dough
Sally will your dog bite? No, child, no
Sally's in the garden sifting sand
Sally's upstairs with the hog-eye man

Sally's in the garden, sifting, sifting
Sally's in the garden sifting sand
Sally's in the garden, sifting sifting
Sally's upstairs with the hog-eye man

Sally will your dog bite? No, child, no
Daddy cut his biter off a long time ago
Sally's in the garden sifting sand
Sally's upstairs with the hog-eye man

Sally's in the garden, sifting, sifting
Sally's in the garden sifting sand
Sally's in the garden, sifting sifting
Sally's upstairs with the hog-eye man

Source: transcription by W.K. McNeil of Pope's Arkansas Mountaineers 'Hog-Eye' recorded in Memphis TN on 6 February 1928 and issued as Vi 21295."

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Excerpt #5
From https://secondhandsongs.com/work/236043
Added by mduval32323

"Granny Will Your Dog Bite

Written by [Traditional]

Language: English

Comments
Traditional American reel and song tune first recorded as an instrumental by the Virginia Ramblers (aka Floyd County Ramblers) in August 1930.

Granny will your dog bite, dog bite, dog bite,
Granny will your dog bite , Lord, child no;
Wolf bit 'er biter off long time ago.

Related to another fiddle tune Sally in the Garden / Hog Eye, which says "Sally will your dog bite, no sir, no..."

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Excerpt #6
From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmoZPpnCO8o&ab_channel=DanyRosevear "Granny will your dog bite? - a traditional fiddle tune" published by Dany Rosevear, July 31, 2018

Granny will your dog bite, cow kick, cat scratch?
Granny will your hen peck, sow root the corn patch?
Granny will your duck quack, old grey goose hiss?
Granny will your dog bite? "No, child, no!"

Open up the gate and walk on through,
Spy an old dog but he won’t bite you.
Granny will your dog bite? "No, child, no!"
Hog bit’er pecker off a long time ago.

Chicken in the bread pan, bread pan, bread pan,
Chicken in the bread pan, scratching out dough.
Rooster in the barnyard, barnyard, barnyard,
Rooster in the barnyard, a-strutting while he crows.


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Excerpt #7
From https://fornoob.com/what-does-the-line-granny-does-your-dog-bite-no-child-no-mean-in-the-song-the-devil-went-down-to-georgia/
1. "Question
what does the line ‘granny does your dog bite no child no’ mean in the song ‘the devil went down to georgia?

its blowing my mind"

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2. Answer
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The old square dance tune is called "Granny Will Your Dog Bite". Various pre-Civil War versions include the lines about cнιcκens peckin' dough out of a bread pan and the line asking if the dog bites. "Granny does your dog bite? No, child no."

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3. Answer
"All of the phrases after "He played..." are traditional fiddle tunes.

 1) Fire on the mountain

 2) House of the rising sun

 3) ᑕнιcκen in the bread pan

 4) Granny does your dog bite

 Johnny played some combination of these songs to beat the devil"

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Tuesday, September 28, 2021

Article Excerpt About A 2000 Reissue Of The 1978 Album "Afro-American Folk Music from Tate and Panola Counties, Mississippi"

Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part I of a two part pancocojams series about the 1978 Album "Afro-American Folk Music from Tate and Panola Counties, Mississippi".

This post presents excerpts of a 2001 article written by Fred McCormick  about Rounder record 2000 reissue of a 1978 Library of Congress album Afro-American Folk Music from Tate and Panola Counties, Mississippi. That booklet was edited by David Evans who recorded the music. David Evans was the person who recorded the music in that album. 

The Addendum to this post presents information about Blues musician/song writer Fred McDowell who is mentioned in that 2001 article.  

Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/09/pdf-excerpt-of-preface-to-booklet-that.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. Part II presents excerpts from the sixty-four page booklet edited by David Evans. I accessed that booklet from a pdf whose link is given in that post.  The Addendum to that post provides a list of the titles for the music that is found on this record. 

I've presented the excerpt about this 1978 booklet first because it provides some explanations about the musicians and singers who are featured in that record as well as providing information and opinions about that music itself.

The content of this post is presented for historical, socio-cultural, and folkloric purposes.    

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to Fred McCormick and David Evans and all those who are mentioned in this excerpt.

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ARTICLE EXCERPT
 https://www.mustrad.org.uk/reviews/af_am_fm.htm "Afro-American Folk Music from Tate and Panola Counties, Mississippi" Library of Congress Archive of Folk Culture; Rounder CD1515
Fred McCormick - 9.3.01
"If ever a job was worth doing, it is Rounder’s Library of Congress LP re-issue programme.  If ever a job was worth doing well, Rounder are doing it.  At any rate, that goes for their revampings of those discs which the L of C brought out in the 1970s.  I cannot speak for the ones which originated in earlier decades, because until a big bag of money drops from the sky, my scratched and battered and utilitarian looking LP copies will have to suffice.  Whatever about that, this refurbishment of a 1978 original is neither scratched nor battered, and it certainly doesn’t look utilitarian.  The CD comes in a handsome slip case, which also holds a 64 page booklet.  As is pretty standard nowadays, it contains detailed and extensive notes together with some idiomatic photographs.  The principal essay and the song notes are as per the original booklet.  They are the work of the disc’s editor, David Evans, who has also supplied a new foreword, to bring the situation up to date.  I was gratified to learn, from this latter, that the traditions of Tate and Panola still have quite a bit of life in them.  If the music nowadays gets overrun with curiosity seekers, full well do I know the feeling, but perhaps it’s better that than nothing.

Unfortunately, a worthy endeavour does not always guarantee value for money.  … Presumably for reasons of saleability, the double CDs appear to have been slotted into a slightly cheaper price bracket.  …. Not for the first time with Rounder, I wonder at their habit of leaving original contents un-beefed up, thereby denying punters a playing time commensurate with their outlay.  Nevertheless, in a world where this kind of gear sells in minuscule quantities, we have to weigh hard economics and periodic poor sound quality against classic performances and historical importance.  Unfortunately, in this instance, the factors are imbalanced, and the imbalance is not skewed in favour of the buyer.  While the disc lasts a mere forty-three minutes and nine seconds, the performances, though worthy enough, do not have the startling impact of, say, Vera Hall Ward, or Aunt Molly Jackson, or Rebecca Tarwater.  For that matter, blues fans may wonder at the omission of Panola County’s favourite son, Fred McDowell.

That omission does not reflect any lack of admiration on the part of the editor.  Indeed, Evans’ praise of McDowell is nothing short of fulsome.  It’s possible that Evans never managed to record him, although I’d have thought that unlikely.  Alternatively, non-inclusion may simply reflect availability elsewhere.  However, I suspect that the main reason is one of editorial didacticism.  Evans takes as his text the local retention of an unusual array of African musical characteristics; plus an attendant panoply of unusual instruments.  Fred McDowell was neither local, being originally from Tennessee, nor did his music sound as close to his African forebears as some of the examples here.  I’d better say then, that my estimate of this performer, as just a notch or two down from God on good day, has little bearing on my present disappointment.  I am more concerned with the fact that the editor’s purpose has resulted in a rather tautological programme.

A word about the scope of the disc.  It is a survey of the hill country, just east of the more famous Mississippi Delta, which has been compiled from recordings made by David Evans in 1969 -71, together with three takes from Alan Lomax’s famous 1942 visit there.  Although the product claims to embrace the entire hill country, the recordings are mainly from the neighbourhood of Senatobia, Tate County.  I do not know if this makes the survey at all unrepresentative.  …For whatever reasons of history, the region preserved musical forms which were lost to other parts of the South.  Where the blues displaced older forms of music elsewhere, in Tate and Panola, those older forms continued to coalesce.

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To be honest, my enjoyment of this kind of music is fairly small dose, and my opinion may not be replicated by every listener.  Also, we are dealing with an extremely common feature of hill country entertainment.  I wonder though, if its universality is sufficient to justify taking up around one third of the programme.  If it is, then listenability could have been much improved by spreading the examples around the disc.

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Leaving these aids aside; David Evans has contributed extensive notes to the individual tracks, plus a foreword for the present release, plus a detailed descriptive ethnography.  I was glad to see that ethnography, because I was recently taken to task for daring to suggest that such things are desirable, or even that they should be a necessary part of editorial capability.  All I will say is that this one is so damned good, and sheds so much light on the music and the people of the area, that it should be required reading for anyone contemplating anything remotely similar.

More’s the pity, then, that the booklet does not try and explain those African retentions.  Nor does it say whether musical retention is paralleled by other forms of cultural retention.  The point is important because music does not develop or stagnate of its own volition.  It is an element of social culture, which changes in response to changes within all the other cultural elements.  Logically, then, where we find African performance styles in abundance, we should also find well preserved examples of other African cultural forms; dialect, for example, or folk tales.  We should also be able to identify some of the historical or sociological reasons for this apparent lack of musical change.

I do not normally consider myself a follower of origins theories, for they are typically non-empirical, un-utilitarian and subjective.  That is why they have been abandoned by most branches of social enquiry.  Yet I find that Evans’ argument intrigues me.  That is mainly because the music of Tate and Panola contrasts so sharply with most other regions of the American South.  Also, I’m presuming that his statement includes the various sea island communities of the eastern United States, where cultural and geographic isolation have left various forms of African folkways relatively intact….

But if isolation equals retention, how do we explain the fact that the hill country is on the mainland and centrally located?  The terrain does not seem all that hilly; it is well served by roads and railways; and it is fairly close to Memphis.  Nor do we find satisfactory explanations in present day population density, ethnic ratios, class structure, or economic activity.  The preface tells us that Tate and Panola counties, nowadays (ie. 1978) have black and white populations in roughly equal proportions.  Also, the local class/caste structure sounds no different to that of the rest of the South.  Moreover, the sharecropping system, a defining feature of inter-ethnic economic relations throughout Mississippi, is alive and at work in Tate and Panola. …

If the current situation offers little enlightenment, we ought to find a more approachable answer in the region’s economic history.  In engaging the past, though, we need to remember the catastrophic changes which the civil war wrought upon southern society, and accept that no single answer will straddle the martial divide.  We need to ask the same question for the anti and post bellum periods.

Let us take the earlier period first.  As with other aspects of Europeanisation, musical acculturation was a process deliberately entered into by the slave owners.10. Peter Kolchin, American Slavery 1619 - 1877, Penguin, London, 1995; Deena Epstein, Sinful Tunes and Spirituals, Illinois UP, Urbana, 1977.10  They systematically stripped the slaves of their African heritage, partly because they feared that the music might contain coded messages of rebellion, but also to satisfy the owners’ needs for musical entertainment.  It was normal practice for owners to train the more musically talented of their slaves in the accompaniment of ballroom and country dance.  That is an important feature of the development of black music in the American South.  It means that we have to think very carefully about the effects of acculturation, when we encounter an area which does not conform to the musical practices of the rest of the South.

This disc is proof, that at least some of the slaves of Tate and Panola provided entertainment for some of the slave owners.  I do not know how statistically reliable a sample this constitutes, but no less than fifty percent of the tracks show some signs of interaction with white folks.  Nowhere is this interaction more in evidence than with Sid Hemphill’s band.  Hemphill was the son of a musical slave, and his band relied heavily on white patronage.  However, the booklet gives no indication as to how many more bands like Hemphill’s there were.  Neither can we discern the proportion of the white population which used the slaves as servant musicians.  These questions seem important to me, because the extent of African retentionism ought to bear some relationship to the frequency of white patronage.  I’m wondering therefore, whether the poor quality of the land, and the consequent presumed poverty of many of its white inhabitants, inhibited the development of Negro generated, white oriented, entertainment systems in the area.  Was it an exception to what we know of slave acculturation patterns generally?

Despite my remarks, about the isolation of the sea islands, the rate and intensity of slave acculturation generally was less of a geographical phenomenon than one of economic organisation.  According to Peter Kolchin,11. Kolchin.  Ibid.11 it depended on a collocation of factors, not all of which are relevant to the present issue.  In very simple terms, though, large plantations required large labour forces.  The bigger the labour force, the more likely were its members to interact with each other, and to remain uninfluenced by the white population.  Therefore, large plantations made for slow rates of acculturation, and for slow abandonment of African folkways.  If Tate and Panola was a land of small, poor farrmers, we should expect it to be a place of rapid acculturation.  It clearly wasn’t, and the implication I am reaching for is that the poverty of the land made it an exception to the general rule.  Might there have been, in this part of Mississippi, a sizeable element of farmers who were too poor to afford the musical trappings of their more substantial neighbours?  Could it be that slave labour forces were typically too small to provide an identifiable element of musically able slaves?  Could it be that the farmers in Tate and Panola were often too poor to provide them with musical instruments?  Could it be in fact, that plantation dances, while not unknown, were less numerous there than elsewhere, and that the slave’s music was typically less interfered with as a result?

It would have been on the bigger estates where the prestigious balls and country dances were held.  Equally, it would have been the larger owners who had most to fear from slave rebellion, and where sheer imbalance of numbers left owners feeling most vulnerable.  On the other hand, where there were few large concentrations of slaves, it is possible that there was less need to suppress their ‘coded’ musical messages.

I have to stress that, for lack of hard evidence, any ideas I can offer are hunch, rather than hypothesis.  Moreover, what we have accumulated so far only takes us half way through the story.  That is because systematic musical acculturation took place before the civil war, not after.  Therefore, we need to explain what happened after the civil war, when different patterns of interaction and oppression emerged, to influence the music of black Americans.  We need to explain why, in Tate and Panola, certain patterns of music not only survived the convulsions of the civil war, but continued to survive into the present day.  And we need to explain why others have not.  On the one hand, musical forms, which appear identifiably African, are evident in abundance.  On the other, in many of those pieces of what were formerly white entertainment, we find the melodies reduced to mere fragments.  We find the melodies supporting the rhythms instead of the rhythms supporting the melodies.  The suggestion which Evans seems to draw from this is that white entertainment was a cultural aberration as far as the slaves were concerned.  They played it because they had no choice.  Therefore, the breakdown of white patronage was accompanied by a musical reversion to Africanism, in which these ‘white’ pieces became quasi-Africanised.  There seems to be quite a bit of mileage in that theory, and it would neatly explain the reversal of significance vis a vis melody and rhythm.  Unfortunately, it does not explain why this reversal was confined to the Mississippi hill country.  Why do we not find similar regressions in other parts of the American South?

However slender the evidence, it does not prevent us from making a prediction.  It is that the social forces, which gave rise to the blues in the Mississippi Delta, or Texas, or Tennessee or anywhere else, were either absent in Tate and Panola, or else were of comparative insignificance there.  The blues emerged, not during the slave era, and not as the direct result of African experience, but at the end of the nineteenth century.  The idiom bears a family resemblance to the field holler, but the one cannot be explained simply as an outgrowth of the other.  The blues is a psycho/musical consequence of the reassertion of white Southern authority, after the victorious Federal government had ceased to exert armed control over the South.  It is an expression of Negro social alienation; a black reaction to a white backlash.12. Paul Oliver, Songsters and Saints, Cambridge UP, Cambridge, 1984; Lomax, ibid; Dollard, ibid; Davis, Gardner and Gardner, Deep South: A Social Anthropological Study of Caste and Class, Chicago UP, 1941.  See also, my article, Cantometrics; Song and Social Culture, this publication.12  Therefore, if older musical forms survived in Tate and Panola, if there was indeed a reversion to African style performance patterns there, then the social history of the region must be different to the rest of the Deep South.  The implication of all this is that the white population of Tate and Panola had less reason to feel threatened by black emancipation, than did white people elsewhere; also, that anti-Negro pogroms must have been carried out less frequently there, and with less ferocity than in places where the blues took root.  I am not entirely sure why this should have been so.  However, I suspect that, as with pre-civil war acculturation, the root cause is the poverty of the land.  My suspicion is that, in the aftermath of the civil war, the area became a region of external migration for both races; that the resulting depopulation abated competition for land; and also led to an element of geographical segregation between the races.

A lack of population pressure may well have arisen from three directions.  Firstly, if poor soil had originally supported fewer slaves than the average, then a comparative lack of anti-Negro pogroms might in part be a simple function of numbers; fewer Negroes per head of the white population for the whites to feel threatened about.  Secondly, unproductive land encouraged many freed slaves to leave the area, and seek employment on the fertile alluvial soil of the Delta, thus further reducing the Negro population.  Finally, several years ago, I heard the singer Shirley Collins, who accompanied Alan Lomax on that famous Southern Journey field trip, talking about their recording work in the Mississippi hill country.13. Post civil war Negro depopulation of the hill country is touched on in Jeff Todd Titon, Early Downhome Blues: A Musical and Cultural Analysis, Chapel Hill, North Carolina UP, 1994.  Shirley Collins' comments were delivered as part of a lecture, America Over the Water, at the National Folk Festival, Sutton Bonington, Leicestershire, April 1998.13  She too made the point about the hill country being poor land, and said that the Negro population occupied the worst of it.  It was land which the white people had vacated.  They didn’t want it.  She was presumably quoting a personal impression, and one arrived at a long time ago.  Her statement therefore needs to be approached with a fair measure of scepticism.  However, it appears to make sense, because if black people could migrate to the Delta, then white people could do likewise.  The white people would have left land behind, and those black people who stayed in Tate and Panola would logically have been free to occupy the poorest parts of it.

Thus, if re-settlement produced an element of geographical segregation, then the Negro portion of the populace may have been comparatively untroubled by the terror which was going on over the rest of the South.  These arguments do not mean that the Tate and Panola Negro population never came into contact with white people.  Neither would they have avoided the racism, which was an endemic feature of life in the South.  Nor would they have avoided that matrix of social attitudes and behaviour patterns, which underscored the white population’s belief in its own ethnic superiority; and which was itself the legacy of black slavery and white southern civil war defeat.  However, the black population might have been spared some of the worst effects of that racism, and of those attitudes; the beatings, the lynchings, the cabin burnings, and the nocturnal visits by the Ku Klux Klan.

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We close with two pieces, which are no less beguiling for their functionality.  They are Little Sally Walker, a children's game song from Nettie Mae and Aleneda Turner; and the lullaby, Go to Sleepy, Baby from Mary Mabeary.  Both songs are notable for their ubiquity.  They are as likely to exist in the mouths of white people as black, and for very much the same reasons.  At the end of the day, searches for racial roots in music finish up facing the same blank wall.  People do not make music because they are white or black, or because they inherited a particular gene pool or a particular set of cultural parameters.  They make music out of a need to express themselves, and the sounds they make enunciate their immediate social culture, not what went before.  For all the appalling treatment of black people by white Americans, their music is as much a part of America as Paul Bunyan and Johnny Appleseed.  It is not how much of their African heritage the slaves retained which should concern us.  It is how successive generations of black Americans melded that heritage, in the light of the racism and discrimination, and dehumanisation, which were facts of life in deep south America - anti or post bellum.

Against all that, we are better off for the existence of this CD, than if it had never seen the light of day.  Despite my objections, the history of black music in America is a long and muddled trail, and the researches of people like David Evans can only shed light on the problem.  Nor, it must be understood, is Evans’ work in confined to the search for Africanisms in Tate and Panola.  Among my more treasured possessions is a general survey of black rural religious singing, which he produced several years before the disc under consideration.  It is called Sorrow Come Pass Me Around, and in terms of superb it is completely off the scale.15. Sorrow Come Pass Me Around: A Survey of Black Rural Religious Music, Advent 2805.15  If nobody has had the foresight to re-issue that LP, and you happen to see it in some expensive second-hand vinyl catalogue, do not pause to worry about how you are going to raise the asking price.  Once you have the disc home and on your turntable, all qualms about the bank you so rashly decided to stick up, will be utterly dissipated.”

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ADDENDUM- INFORMATION ABOUT FRED MCDOWELL
This information about African American Bluesman Fred McDowell is presented because of this quote from the article excerpted in this post: "
blues fans may wonder at the omission of Panola County’s favourite son, Fred McDowell."...

From 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_Fred_McDowell
"Fred McDowell (January 12, 1906 – July 3, 1972),[1] known by his stage name Mississippi Fred McDowell, was an American hill country blues singer and guitar player.

Career

McDowell was born in Rossville, Tennessee, United States.[5] His parents were farmers, who both died while Fred was in his youth. He took up the guitar at the age of 14 and was soon playing for tips at dances around Rossville.[5] Seeking a change from plowing fields, he moved to Memphis in 1926, where he worked in the Buck-Eye feed mill, which processed cotton into oil and other products.[6] In 1928, he moved to Mississippi to pick cotton.[6] He finally settled in Como, Mississippi, in 1940 or 1941 (or maybe the late 1930s), where he worked as a full-time farmer for many years while continuing to play music on weekends at dances and picnics.[5]

After decades of playing for small local gatherings, McDowell was recorded in 1959 by roving folklore musicologist Alan Lomax and Shirley Collins,[5] on their Southern Journey field-recording trip.[7] With interest in blues and folk music rising in the United States at the time, McDowell's field recordings for Lomax caught the attention of blues aficionados and record producers, and within a couple of years, he had finally become a professional musician and recording artist in his own right.[5] His LPs proved quite popular, and he performed at festivals and clubs all over the world.[8]”…

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This concludes Part I of this pancocojams series on the preface to the booklet for the 1978 album Afro-American Folk Music from Tate and Panola Counties, Mississippi.

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Wednesday, March 3, 2021

Similarities Between African American Fife And Drum Music & Certain Traditional African Music and Other Traditional Music (YouTube discussion thread comments)


Alan Lomax Archive, May 21, 2012

Othar Turner's Rising Star Fife & Drum band (Turner, fife; G.D. Young, bass drum; E.P. Burton, snare; Eddie Ware, snare) playing a picnic at Othar's farm. Shot by Alan Lomax, John Bishop, and Worth Long in Gravel Springs, Mississippi, August 1978. For more information about the American Patchwork filmwork, Alan Lomax, and his collections, visit http://culturalequity.org ​. [02.08.10]

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Edited by Azizi Powell

This is Part II of a two part pancocojams series about African American fife and drum music.

Part II of this pancocojams series showcases a video of Othar Turner & the rising star fife and drum band. 

This post also presents YouTube comments from several discussion threads about the similariries of African American fife and drum music and certain traditional African music and other traditional music.

Click 
https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2021/03/two-examples-of-african-american-fife.html for Part I of this pancocojams post. That post showcases two YouTube examples of African American fife and drum music.

Thanks to Othar Turner and the musicians in his band and thanks to other African American fife and drum musicians for their musical legacies. Thanks to all those who are associated with these YouTube examples and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publishers of these examples on YouTube.

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SELECTED COMMENTS ABOUT THIS SUBJECT
The YouTube discussion threads that these comments come from are given in no particular order.
Those discussion threads and those sources are numbered for referencing purposes only.

Discussion thread #1
Othar Turner and the Rising Star Fife & Drum Band - Shimmy She Wobble (1) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDar1ymGbjg&t=32s&ab_channel=SamCollins

1. r
achel king, 2012
"God bless the first enslaved Irishman for giving the first enslaved blackman a wooden fyffe  in Mississippi"

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2. Tize, 2012
"Why in the world should we African-Americans give thanks to an Irish or any european for preserving the African meloismatic and rhythmatic musical culture of our African ancestors?"

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3. Tize, 2012
"For anybody that thinks this music comes from anywhere in Europe, I suggest you go look up Fulani Flute and drum music, a genre played in West Africa. This is an extension of the music of our(African-Americans)" ancestors."

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4. Tize, 2012
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This is false. The physical construction of the blues fife played in Northern MS is based on an old African model brought over by the transatlantic slave trade. In fact the construction process mimics that of the of Fula, a West African instrument not any Irish tool brought by indentured servants.

Got to love these crazy eurocentric revisionist theories about *AFRICAN*-american culture.........."
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"Ms" = "Mississippi"

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5. 黑佛, 2013
"I wouldn't have thought the origin of this song to be African American. This was a unkown piece of my culture. I will look up Fulani flute and drum music, thank you."

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6. Ornella Friggit, 2014
"This reminds me a lot of Gurunsi music (from the south of Burkina Faso/north of Ghana)."

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7. Jack Moralee, 2013
"I personally feel this song in-particular show's a strong relationship with black Americans & Irish people during the 19th century & backwards."

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8. Tize, 2013
"This aside from the use of some western instruments, this music is primarily derived from West African fulani flute and drum music, basically an offshoot, it came from the Lower Chattahoochee Valley(Georgia/Alabama) to Mississippi probably some time during the domestic slave trade.

Fusions between African and Celtic/Anglo music can be heard in the Appalachian mountains hillbilly/bluegrass/country music."

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9. Jamesmartens55, 2013
"one could say the same about Rhodesia....

gotta love these afrocentric revisionist theories about EUROPEAN-African culture...."

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10. Tize, 2013
"What does Zimbabwe have to do with the fact that the Northern Mississippi fife & drum blues tradition is a descendant from the Fife and Drum blues in the Lower Chattahoochee Valley, which itself is a descendant from the Fulani Flute and Drum tradition of West Africa, and the blues fife used is based on the folk construction of the Fula-Flute, a West African instrument?

Just message me, and I send you scholarly researched, peer-reviewed, sources to back it up."

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11. Shane Morris Music, 2019
"I'm curious what leads you to believe that N. Mississippi fife & drum blues is a descendant of the Lower Chattahoochee Valley tradition? Is there research or documentation for this? I'm more inclined to think that it occurred independently, evolving on it's own after the Civil War, as also in TN and MO."
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"TN" = "Tennessee"
"MO" = "Missouri"

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12. G Mc, 2013
"OK, is this not a mix of majority African music with some Celtic taste?"

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13. Sakhal Nakhash, 2018
"Yeah, more like a European military march."

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14. austin konrad, 2019
"[Gerard mc namara not at all my dearest friend..not at all] [Yeah, more like a European military march.] (profanity deleted) king dingbats,  this music is indistinguishable from Gurunsi music."

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15. Sadat Salifu, 2020
"Austin konrad I love this! I am Ghanaian and I know the flute sound is straight out of northern Ghana!"

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saprissa9, 2019
"Holy crap it's actually made by black folks? When I first heard it in the movie I really thought it was an Irish song."
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The movie that is referenced in this comment (and throughout that discussion thread is 
"Gangs Of New York". Othat Turner & the Rising Star Fife & Drum Band's recording of Shimmy She Wobble" was part of that movie's opening sequence.

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17. Judy Jacobs, 2020
"Yes, there's a long tradition of ballads of many kinds in the South. Many of the early settlers had Scots-Irish roots, and the slaves they kept there learned the songs from those sources. Many of the songs sung and played by both black and white folks originated in collections such as the child Ballads. Otha used to host big community parties during which he'd butcher a goat and cook it in a big iron pot. The band was usually made up of his family members. Cool beans, right?"

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Discussion thread #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyqf-jf2B_4&t=76s&ab_channel=AlanLomaxArchive
Othar Turner and the Rising Star Fife & Drum Band: Ida Reed (1978)

[This is the video that is embedded in this pancocojams post.] 

1. Gil Duarte Mokōî Ygarussu, 2013
"Very nice! The Otha, remember this bands of pifano in Brazil!!!

Banda de Pífano"

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2. B0bChorba. 2018
"This is 'Fife & Drum' music, early 19th century music, of course mixing African and white.  A beautiful mix that has been done for thousands of years folks.

You can hear Euro/British/Irish recreated & played well in the CD 'Marching Out of Time'  by The Fife & Drums of Colonial Williamsburg.  Welsh folk tunes, Purcell, well researched.

Could be heard in the Caribbean too.  Folkways released a CD sounding very good:  'Bongo, Backra, & Coolie, Vol. 2', recorded Jamaica 1975.

There was a fair bit recorded of this stuff in America, if you dig deep, North MS mostly.   Multi-instrumentalist Sid Hemphill, Napoleon Strickland, also compilation 'Traveling through the Jungle'.

There were also singers from the Georgia Sea Islands, where proper 18/19th century African roots could be heard sung most strongly, recorded in session with cane pipe and drum players from inland, Ed Young & Georgia Sea Island Singers."

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3. B0bChorba, 2018
"BTW This CD is definitely worth the money:

'From Ear to Ear, the Passage of African Music through American Slavery', again by Colonial Williamsburg.  Recreated, but done with much thought (and I suspect loads of research), as well as feeling."

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4. Cvp1969, 2018
"This is straight from Africa.."

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5. Benji, 2019
"This is American"

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6. Goo Gel, 2019
"Yes, but the connection to Africa is clear. Listen to any of Othar's music with the Afrossippi Allstars and you can hear Senegalese musical instruments. Drum(+wind instrument) music is also at the core of much Ghanaian and other African countries' traditional music."

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7. Mississippi Delta Medicine, 2020
"Native flute and drums. Mizi-Ziibi. Black Indigenous Americans. 🏹🏹🏹"

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8. Joel Z. Williams, 2018
"This is the most pure, authentic folk music that I have ever discovered in the course of 40 years of searching for a clear link between the West African Fife and Drum traditional music and the Gheechee"

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9. Eric, 2018
"Irish Funk"

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10. One Earth one People one Race, 2020
"This is Igbo drum and flute from South Eastern Nigeria"

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11. Mississippi Delta Medicine, 2020
"Black Indigenous Americans🏹🏹🏹"

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12. Bluesmusic Andwhatnot, 2021
"These guys aren't "Gheechee" and there was likely no "fife and drum traditional music" in West Africa at the time of the slave trade, although there was likely a barrage of music that combined wind instrument and drum/other percussion, with some of those traditions surviving today. It's debatable if they had any direct influence on this tradition however, even though the rhythm and intonation is strongly influenced by West African music in a broad sense. Given that, this isn't "Igbo drum and flute" either. It's a particular African American tradition that could have been influenced by numerous West African sources, but is also pretty clearly influenced by European fife and drum tradition (With them playing snares and basses with western drum sticks while "marching" in a straight line). 

It's more likely that this particular instance of combining percussion with flute was more directly influenced by European fife and drum, rather than anything in Africa, with the music itself being the thing that's distinctly African in it's origin. It's important to remember that the Africa today is a very different Africa from the one 400-200 years ago and that, overwhelmingly, African slaves were in a completely different cultural environment once they reached the Americas, with many different people taken from many different regions and ethnic groups finding themselves among each other. No particular tradition or set of customs survived, especially in North America. The traditions that did survive would have been common to a sleuth of different ethnic groups in Africa, and would have lost any individual meaning in the Americas and instead took on an entirely new, somewhat homogeneous one reflective of the distinctly American life and environment of the enslaved. This is all to say, while many African elements permeated and continue to permeate through out African American culture and especially music, it's near impossible to definitively trace the origin point of these elements back to anything in particular in Africa.
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13. Cathair Patrick, 2018
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That sounds really like African music. Really raw stuff."

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14. Sandro Caje, 2020
"It´s wonderful! To me is a very impressive surprise that this culture survive in USA. With your permission, I want to show how this tradition is mantained in Brazilian Northeast. In my country, I believe that this music is the meeting of the indian flutes with african drums. I would like to know more about the history of this musical expression in USA. Here I send a link to a chapter of a documentary film made about "pifes" in Brazil. The great composer and musician Hermeto Paschoal played fife in fairs, with his brothers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RvI0trPVU "

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15. adalberto aparicio, 2021
"Thanks  for posting .They sound like an entire Samba band from Brazil!!!I Feeling souful and  magical while  watching  this ,best wishes to all."

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Discussion thread #3 
African-American Fife & Drum Music: Mississippi & Jamaica

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6mRdPP6wRo&ab_channel=hultonclint

hultonclint,Feb. 1, 2009

"This is archival (?which) footage of a fife and drum group of Ed and Lonnie Young of Mississippi.  I believe it was recorded by Alan Lomax, sometime between 1959 and the early 60s.  They use a fife made of cane, and drums adapted from military bands.

It is interesting how similar it is, not just in form but also in actual content, to the fife and drum playing of "John Canoe" processional music of Jamaica.  I have put just a quick sample of that from a 1954 recording, at the end.

[My purpose for posting is to draw out this comparison, which would probably not be noticed otherwise (the clip being buried in Martin Scorcese's documentary on Blues), but if it appears to infringe someone's copyright, please contact me.]

EDIT: "This footage was shot during the 1966 Newport Folk Festival, indeed by Alan Lomax. Ed Young plays the fife; Lonnie Young, Sr., the snare; and G.D. Young, the bass drum. Lomax's audio recordings from Newport '66, including those of the Youngs, are available through the online archive of the Association for Cultural Equity (Alan Lomax Archive)." "


1. Wally Gator, 2009
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Now THAT is roots right from Africa baby. Birth of Rock."

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2. Marcio Scolmeister, 2010
"In Brazil Banda de Pífano de Caruaru    youtube.com/watch?v=pNrs3I9kkHw

youtube.com/watch?v=ekNa4lNhchM&feature=related

youtube.com/watch?v=t0Zizj24fdc&feature=related"

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3. guy br, 2011
"if you search for "Banda de Pífanos" from Brazil, you will find somenthing similar."

Great video!

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4. MissLindo Sindane, 2013
"Im from South Africa and they still make music like this"

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5. João Weimar, 2020
"If I didn’t know the source, I could say this sound was made in Brazilian northeast, this is crazy. Much respect for African heritage."

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6. Tize, 2013
"Have you ever checked out Fulani flute and drum music of Upper West Africa? It's been studied that the blues fife mimics the construction of the Fula flute. Many Fulani were brought to North America."

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7. m adera, 2019
"You can witness West Africa in this, it's funny how these people never lost their connection to Mother Earth even years later., beautiful"

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Serero Serera, 2020
"My people in Burkina Faso play the very same melodies and drums up to this day. I was literally in tears watching this."

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9. MrOnyxRock, 2020
"WOW!  I am clearly late to this party.  I thought this style of fife & drum music was a Caribbean thing alone.  I need to learn about this in America."

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10. YISSAYAH KONGO Reings Over Yissolele, 2020
"I see myself dancing to this African dance"

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