Edited by Azizi Powell
This is Part III of a three part pancocojams series on the song "[Oh] Lord I Want You To Help Me".
Part III showcases a Gospel choir singing this song accompanied by a classic orchestra. Special attention in this post is given to the different types of kente cloth stoles that members of the choir wear over their choir robes.
The Addendum to this post presents some information about Ghana's and the Ivory Coast's (West Africa) kente cloth fabrics.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/three-accapella-renditions-of-song-oh.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. Part I showcases three accapella renditions of "Oh Lord I Want You To Help Me". Part I also includes lyrics for one version of this song that is featured in that post.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/six-renditions-of-oh-lord-i-want-you-to.html for Part II of this series. Part II showcases six renditions of "Lord, I Want You To Help Me. Lyrics for three of these versions are also included in that post.
The content of this post is presented for religious, cultural, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to the composer/s of this song and thanks to The Classical Roots Community Mass Choir, Pastor Marvin Winans and Carolyn O’Bryant as well as the Cincinnati [Ohio] Symphony Orchestra who are featured in this video. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of this video on YouTube.
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Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2014/02/kente-cloth-worn-by-american-gospel.html Kente Cloth Worn By American Gospel Choirs for a 2014 post
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SHOWCASE VIDEO: Classical Roots 2014: Oh Lord I Want You To Help Me
CSOvideo, Published on Feb 12, 2016
The Classical Roots Community Mass Choir led by conductor A. Michael Cunningham and featuring Pastor Marvin Winans and Carolyn O’Bryant performs “Oh Lord I Want You To Help Me" at the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra's 2014 production of Classical Roots
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INFORMATION ABOUT KENTE CLOTH
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kente_cloth#Symbolic_meanings_of_the_colors
"Kente, known as nwentom in Akan, is a type of silk and cotton fabric made of interwoven cloth strips made and native to the Akan ethnic group of Ghana. Kente is made in Akan lands such as the Ashanti Kingdom, including the towns of Bonwire, Adanwomase, Sakora Wonoo, and Ntonso in the Kwabre areas of the Ashanti Region. This fabric is worn by almost every Ghanaian tribe. Kente comes from the word kenten, which means basket in the Asante dialect of Akan. Akans refer to kente as nwentoma, meaning woven cloth. It is an Akan royal and sacred cloth worn only in times of extreme importance and was the cloth of kings. Over time, the use of kente became more widespread. However, its importance has remained and it is held in high esteem by Akans.
Characteristics
Kente cloth varies in complexity. Ahwepan refers to a simple design of warp stripes, created using plain weave and a single pair of heddles. In contrast, adweneasa, which translates to "my skill is exhausted", is a highly decorated type of kente with weft-based patterns woven into every available block of plain weave. Because of the intricate patterns, adweneasa cloth requires three heddles to weave.[1][2]
The Akan people choose kente cloths as much for their names as their colors and patterns. Although the cloths are identified primarily by the patterns found in the lengthwise (warp) threads, there is often little correlation between appearance and name. Names are derived from several sources, including proverbs, historical events, important chiefs, queen mothers, and plants. The cloth symbolizes high in value.
[...]
Symbolic meanings of the colors
Akan Kente cloth color variations
black: maturation, intensified spiritual energy
blue: peacefulness, harmony and love
green: vegetation, planting, harvesting, growth, spiritual renewal
gold: royalty, wealth, high status, glory, spiritual purity
grey: healing and cleansing rituals; associated with ash
maroon: the color of mother earth; associated with healing
pink: assoc. with the female essence of life; a mild, gentle aspect of red
purple: assoc. with feminine aspects of life; usually worn by women
red: political and spiritual moods; bloodshed; sacrificial rites and death.
silver: serenity, purity, joy; associated with the moon
white: purification, sanctification rites and festive occasions
yellow: preciousness, royalty, wealth, fertility, beauty"...
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Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2014/02/kente-cloth-worn-by-american-gospel.html for Part II of a four part 2014 pancocojams series on kente cloth. That post is entitled "Kente Cloth Worn By American Gospel Choirs".
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This concludes Part III of this three part pancocojams series.
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Sunday, March 31, 2019
Six Renditions Of "Oh Lord, I Want You To Help Me" (performed with musical instrument accompaniment)
Edited by Azizi Powell
This is Part II of a three part pancocojams series on the song "[Oh] Lord I Want You To Help Me".
Part II showcases six YouTube examples of the Gospel song "Lord I Want You To Help Me" that are accompanied by musical instruments. Part II also includes lyrics for three versions of "Oh Lord I Want You To Help Me" that are featured in this post.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/three-accapella-renditions-of-song-oh.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. Part I showcases three accapella renditions of "Oh Lord I Want You To Help Me". Part I also includes lyrics for one version of this song that is featured in that post.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/african-american-choir-wearing-west.html for Part III of this pancocojams series. Part III showcases a rendition of "Lord I Want You To Help Me" by the Classical Roots Community Mass Choir, Pastor Marvin Winans and Carolyn O’Bryant as well as the Cincinnati [Ohio] Symphony Orchestra. Special attention is given in this post to the multiple colors and designs of kente cloth stoles that choir members wear over their robes. The Addendum to that post presents some information about Ghana's and The Ivory Coast's (West Africa) kente cloth fabrics.
The content of this post is presented for religious, cultural, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to the composer/s of "Lord, I Want You To Help Me" and thanks to all those who are featured in these YouTube examples. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publishers of these examples on YouTube.
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SHOWCASE EXAMPLES
Example #1: Dixie Hummingbirds - Help Me.wmv
BevYoYummy, Published on Mar 11, 2011
Live in Miami, Florida featuring: Ira Tucker, Sr., James Walker, Beachey Thompson, Paul Owens and Howard Carroll
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If you know when this was first recorded, please share that information in the comment section below. Thanks!
LYRICS: HELP ME (OH LORD, I WANT YOU TO HELP ME) as sung by The Dixie Hummingbirds
HELP ME [Dixie Hummingbirds version]
Lord, Lord, Lord I want you to
Help me
Lord, Lord, Lord I want you to
Help me
Help me on my journey
Help me on my way
Please Lord, I want You to help me
You're the only friend I have I want You to
Help me
I can't make it without You, Jesus
Help me
Help me on my journey
Help me on my way
Please Lord, I want You to help me
My body is weak
My faith is strong
I will keep on leaning on Your everlasting arms
I'm calling on You ‘cause I need Your help
I cannot make it by myself
Help me, O help me Lord
Help me, O help me Lord
Help me, O help me Lord
Help me, O help me Lord
O Lord, I want You
O Lord, Please! Please! Please! Please!
Lord, I want You to help me
(repeat as the spirit leads)
Source: https://www.paroles-musique.com/eng/The_Dixie_Hummingbirds-Lord_I_Want_You_to_Help_Me-lyrics,p0596542
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A better sound quality of The Dixie Hummingbirds singing this song can be found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHIP7-KaP_Q. The summary to that sound file indicates that "This is track 8 from the 1976 "Live" album. Lead by Ira Tucker and James Walker."
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Example #2: Rev. Robert Wilkins - O Lord I Want You To Help Me
TheBWJohnson, Published on Mar 27, 2012
"Takoma Blues"
photos: Aaron Siskind, Robert Frank, LOC
This song was here before. So, this is in memory...
Rev. Robert Wilkins was an African American Gospel Blues singer. His record album entitled "Rev. Robert Wilkins: Memphis Gospel Singer - The Original 1964 Recordings" sells for $495.00. https://www.amazon.com/Rev-Robert-Wilkins-Original-Recordings/dp/B00AEFJEF8#customerReviews. I believe that "O Lord I Want You To Help Me" is on that album.
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Lyrics: OH LORD, I WANT YOU TO HELP ME (as sung by Rev. Robert Wilkins)
Oh Lord, I want You to help me
Oh Lord, I want You to help me
Help me on my journey
Help me on my way
Oh Lord, I want You to help me
[repeat refrain 1x]
When I been down
I want You to help me
When I been down
I want you help me
Help me on my journey
Help me on my way
Oh Lord, I want You to help me
[refrain 1x]
guitar instrumental
My heart is heavy
I want You to help me
My heart is heavy
I want You to help me
Help me on my journey
Help me on my way
Oh Lord, I want You to help me
[refrain 1x]
[guitar instrumental]
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This is my transcription from this sound file. Additions and corrections are welcome.
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Example #3: Lord I Want You To Help Me.MOV
Carla Wider, Published on Apr 19, 2012
Us doing devotion for the Men's Anniv.
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No identifying information is given for this music group. If you have any information about this group, please share it in the comment section below. Thanks!
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Example #4: Oh, Lord, I Want You to Help Me
McIntosh County Shouters - Topic, Published on Nov 18, 2017
Provided to YouTube by The Orchard Enterprises
Oh, Lord, I Want You to Help Me · McIntosh County Shouters
Spirituals and Shout Songs from the Georgia Coast
℗ 2017 Smithsonian Folkways Recordings
Released on: 2017-01-20
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LYRICS: OH, LORD I WANT YOU TO HELP ME [as sung by the McInTosh County Shouters]
Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Well) Help me on my journey
(Well) Help me on my way.
(Ah ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Ah Ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Oh Lord!) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Well / Yes) Help me on my journey
(Well) Help me on my way.
(Ah ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
While I'm down here singin
I want You to help me
Oh Lord, While I down here singin
I want You to help me
(Yeah) Help me on my journey
(Well) Help me on my way.
(Ah ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Ah Ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Oh Lord!) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Oh! Help me on my journey
(Ah Ha!) Help me on my way.
(Ah ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
While I'm down here shoutin
I want You to help me
(Yes Lordy), While I down here shoutin
I want You to help me
(Yeah) Help me on my journey
(Well) Help me on my way.
(Ah ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
While I'm down here prayin...
While I'm down here workin...
(Ah Ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Oh Lord!) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Oh! Help me on my journey
(Ah Ha!) Help me on my way.
(Ah ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
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Transcription by Azizi Powell from that sound file. This isn't an exact transcription of that file.
In addition to a tambourine, the other "musical instrument" that is heard in the McInTosh County Shouter's sound file of "Oh Lord I Want You To Help Me" is a stick that is rhythmically hit on the ground.
Here's information about the McInTosh County Shouters
"The McIntosh County Shouters is a ten-member Gullah-Geechee group that began performing professionally in 1980. They have educated and entertained audiences around the United States with the "ring shout," a compelling fusion of counterclockwise dance-like movement, call-and-response singing, and percussion consisting of hand claps and a stick beating the rhythm on a wooden floor. African in its origins, the ring shout affirms oneness with the Spirit and ancestors as well as community cohesiveness. The ring shout was first described in detail during the Civil War by outside observers in coastal regions of South Carolina and Georgia. Its practice continued well into the 20th Century, even as its influence was resounding in later forms like spiritual, jubilee, gospel and jazz. By the late 20th century, the ring shout itself was presumed to have died out until its rediscovery in McIntosh County in 1980; thus, the beginning of the McIntosh County Shouters."
[video summary "McIntosh County Shouters: Gullah-Geechee Ring Shout from Georgia".]
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Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/03/georgia-sea-isle-ring-shouts-daniel-and.html for a pancocojams post that includes a video of this group doing several ring shouts. [The performance of the ring shout "Move Daniel" is at 19.19 - 21.13 of that video.]
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Example #5: Lord Lord Lord I want you to help me
Herb Mac, Published on Feb 21, 2016
The Gospel Spiritual-ettes New Zion, SC [South Carolina]
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Example #6: Shirley Caesar (1975) "Oh Lord I Want You To Help Me"
Gospel Jukebox, Published on Feb 20, 2019
Shirley Caesar
“Oh Lord I Want You To Help Me” from the album No Charge
Hob Records 1975
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This concludes Part II of this three part pancocojams post.
Thanks for visiting pancocojams.
Visitor comments are welcome.
This is Part II of a three part pancocojams series on the song "[Oh] Lord I Want You To Help Me".
Part II showcases six YouTube examples of the Gospel song "Lord I Want You To Help Me" that are accompanied by musical instruments. Part II also includes lyrics for three versions of "Oh Lord I Want You To Help Me" that are featured in this post.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/three-accapella-renditions-of-song-oh.html for Part I of this pancocojams series. Part I showcases three accapella renditions of "Oh Lord I Want You To Help Me". Part I also includes lyrics for one version of this song that is featured in that post.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/african-american-choir-wearing-west.html for Part III of this pancocojams series. Part III showcases a rendition of "Lord I Want You To Help Me" by the Classical Roots Community Mass Choir, Pastor Marvin Winans and Carolyn O’Bryant as well as the Cincinnati [Ohio] Symphony Orchestra. Special attention is given in this post to the multiple colors and designs of kente cloth stoles that choir members wear over their robes. The Addendum to that post presents some information about Ghana's and The Ivory Coast's (West Africa) kente cloth fabrics.
The content of this post is presented for religious, cultural, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to the composer/s of "Lord, I Want You To Help Me" and thanks to all those who are featured in these YouTube examples. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publishers of these examples on YouTube.
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SHOWCASE EXAMPLES
Example #1: Dixie Hummingbirds - Help Me.wmv
BevYoYummy, Published on Mar 11, 2011
Live in Miami, Florida featuring: Ira Tucker, Sr., James Walker, Beachey Thompson, Paul Owens and Howard Carroll
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If you know when this was first recorded, please share that information in the comment section below. Thanks!
LYRICS: HELP ME (OH LORD, I WANT YOU TO HELP ME) as sung by The Dixie Hummingbirds
HELP ME [Dixie Hummingbirds version]
Lord, Lord, Lord I want you to
Help me
Lord, Lord, Lord I want you to
Help me
Help me on my journey
Help me on my way
Please Lord, I want You to help me
You're the only friend I have I want You to
Help me
I can't make it without You, Jesus
Help me
Help me on my journey
Help me on my way
Please Lord, I want You to help me
My body is weak
My faith is strong
I will keep on leaning on Your everlasting arms
I'm calling on You ‘cause I need Your help
I cannot make it by myself
Help me, O help me Lord
Help me, O help me Lord
Help me, O help me Lord
Help me, O help me Lord
O Lord, I want You
O Lord, Please! Please! Please! Please!
Lord, I want You to help me
(repeat as the spirit leads)
Source: https://www.paroles-musique.com/eng/The_Dixie_Hummingbirds-Lord_I_Want_You_to_Help_Me-lyrics,p0596542
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A better sound quality of The Dixie Hummingbirds singing this song can be found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHIP7-KaP_Q. The summary to that sound file indicates that "This is track 8 from the 1976 "Live" album. Lead by Ira Tucker and James Walker."
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Example #2: Rev. Robert Wilkins - O Lord I Want You To Help Me
TheBWJohnson, Published on Mar 27, 2012
"Takoma Blues"
photos: Aaron Siskind, Robert Frank, LOC
This song was here before. So, this is in memory...
Rev. Robert Wilkins was an African American Gospel Blues singer. His record album entitled "Rev. Robert Wilkins: Memphis Gospel Singer - The Original 1964 Recordings" sells for $495.00. https://www.amazon.com/Rev-Robert-Wilkins-Original-Recordings/dp/B00AEFJEF8#customerReviews. I believe that "O Lord I Want You To Help Me" is on that album.
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Lyrics: OH LORD, I WANT YOU TO HELP ME (as sung by Rev. Robert Wilkins)
Oh Lord, I want You to help me
Oh Lord, I want You to help me
Help me on my journey
Help me on my way
Oh Lord, I want You to help me
[repeat refrain 1x]
When I been down
I want You to help me
When I been down
I want you help me
Help me on my journey
Help me on my way
Oh Lord, I want You to help me
[refrain 1x]
guitar instrumental
My heart is heavy
I want You to help me
My heart is heavy
I want You to help me
Help me on my journey
Help me on my way
Oh Lord, I want You to help me
[refrain 1x]
[guitar instrumental]
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This is my transcription from this sound file. Additions and corrections are welcome.
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Example #3: Lord I Want You To Help Me.MOV
Carla Wider, Published on Apr 19, 2012
Us doing devotion for the Men's Anniv.
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No identifying information is given for this music group. If you have any information about this group, please share it in the comment section below. Thanks!
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Example #4: Oh, Lord, I Want You to Help Me
McIntosh County Shouters - Topic, Published on Nov 18, 2017
Provided to YouTube by The Orchard Enterprises
Oh, Lord, I Want You to Help Me · McIntosh County Shouters
Spirituals and Shout Songs from the Georgia Coast
℗ 2017 Smithsonian Folkways Recordings
Released on: 2017-01-20
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LYRICS: OH, LORD I WANT YOU TO HELP ME [as sung by the McInTosh County Shouters]
Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Well) Help me on my journey
(Well) Help me on my way.
(Ah ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Ah Ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Oh Lord!) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Well / Yes) Help me on my journey
(Well) Help me on my way.
(Ah ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
While I'm down here singin
I want You to help me
Oh Lord, While I down here singin
I want You to help me
(Yeah) Help me on my journey
(Well) Help me on my way.
(Ah ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Ah Ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Oh Lord!) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Oh! Help me on my journey
(Ah Ha!) Help me on my way.
(Ah ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
While I'm down here shoutin
I want You to help me
(Yes Lordy), While I down here shoutin
I want You to help me
(Yeah) Help me on my journey
(Well) Help me on my way.
(Ah ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
While I'm down here prayin...
While I'm down here workin...
(Ah Ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Oh Lord!) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
(Oh! Help me on my journey
(Ah Ha!) Help me on my way.
(Ah ha) Oh Lord, I want You to help me.
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Transcription by Azizi Powell from that sound file. This isn't an exact transcription of that file.
In addition to a tambourine, the other "musical instrument" that is heard in the McInTosh County Shouter's sound file of "Oh Lord I Want You To Help Me" is a stick that is rhythmically hit on the ground.
Here's information about the McInTosh County Shouters
"The McIntosh County Shouters is a ten-member Gullah-Geechee group that began performing professionally in 1980. They have educated and entertained audiences around the United States with the "ring shout," a compelling fusion of counterclockwise dance-like movement, call-and-response singing, and percussion consisting of hand claps and a stick beating the rhythm on a wooden floor. African in its origins, the ring shout affirms oneness with the Spirit and ancestors as well as community cohesiveness. The ring shout was first described in detail during the Civil War by outside observers in coastal regions of South Carolina and Georgia. Its practice continued well into the 20th Century, even as its influence was resounding in later forms like spiritual, jubilee, gospel and jazz. By the late 20th century, the ring shout itself was presumed to have died out until its rediscovery in McIntosh County in 1980; thus, the beginning of the McIntosh County Shouters."
[video summary "McIntosh County Shouters: Gullah-Geechee Ring Shout from Georgia".]
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Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2016/03/georgia-sea-isle-ring-shouts-daniel-and.html for a pancocojams post that includes a video of this group doing several ring shouts. [The performance of the ring shout "Move Daniel" is at 19.19 - 21.13 of that video.]
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Example #5: Lord Lord Lord I want you to help me
Herb Mac, Published on Feb 21, 2016
The Gospel Spiritual-ettes New Zion, SC [South Carolina]
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Example #6: Shirley Caesar (1975) "Oh Lord I Want You To Help Me"
Gospel Jukebox, Published on Feb 20, 2019
Shirley Caesar
“Oh Lord I Want You To Help Me” from the album No Charge
Hob Records 1975
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This concludes Part II of this three part pancocojams post.
Thanks for visiting pancocojams.
Visitor comments are welcome.
Three Accapella Renditions Of "Oh, Lord I Want You To Help Me"
Edited by Azizi Powell
This is Part I of a three part pancocojams series the showcases the song "[Oh] Lord, I Want You To Help Me".
Part I showcases three accapella renditions of "Oh Lord I Want You To Help Me". A version of the lyrics for this song as sung in the Tyler Perry movie "I Can Do Bad All By Myself" is also included in this post.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/six-renditions-of-oh-lord-i-want-you-to.html for Part II of this series. Part II showcases six renditions of "Lord, I Want You To Help Me. Lyrics for three of these versions are also included in that post.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/african-american-choir-wearing-west.html for Part III of this pancocojams series. Part III showcases a rendition of "Lord I Want You To Help Me" by the Classical Roots Community Mass Choir, Pastor Marvin Winans and Carolyn O’Bryant as well as the Cincinnati [Ohio] Symphony Orchestra. Special attention is given in this post to the multiple colors and designs of kente cloth stoles that choir members wear over their robes. The Addendum to that post presents some information about Ghana's and The Ivory Coast's (West Africa) kente cloth fabrics.
The content of this post is presented for religious, cultural, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to the composer/s of this song and thanks to all the featured singers of this song. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTES
I don't know the composer/s name/s for the song "Lord, I Want You To Help Me". Thus far, the earliest recording date that I've found for this song is 1964 (performed by Rev. Robert Wilkins. That version is featured in Part II of this series.) However, the rendition (also in Part II* of this pancocojams series) by the McIntosh County Shouters, a Georgia ring shout group, suggests that this song may have been sung much earlier than the 1960s. The McInTosh County SHouter's version of this song is included in an album that refers to the songs as "Spirituals and Shouts". My guess is that "shouts" may have been an early term for Gospel songs that were sung while doing ring shouts. I think that that "shout" version may have been the earliest way that this song was sung.
I'm presenting examples of accapella renditions of "Oh Lord, I Want You To Help Me" before examples with musical instrument accompaniment because I believe that was the order in which this song was sung.
If you have any information about this song, please share it in the comment section below. Thanks!
*The McInTosh County Shouter's sound file example of this song is presented in Part II of this series because it features tambourines and a stick that is rhythmically pounded on the ground. I don't know if those "musical instruments" accompanied the earliest renditions of this song or not. However, the accapella examples in this post focus on hand clapping and foot stomping accompaniments. That said, notice that the video of the North Mississippi Acapella Chorus [example # 2 below] also features two men "beat boxing".
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SHOWCASE EXAMPLES:
Example #1: Lord I want you to help me
onehomes, Published on Feb 22, 2010
I can do bad all by myself [Tyler Perry movie]
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LYRICS: LORD, I WANT YOU TO HELP ME
Oh lord I want you to help me
Oh lord I want you to help me
Help me on my journey, help me on my way
Oh lord I want you to help me
While I'm waiting I want you to help me
While I'm waiting I want you to help me
Help me on my journey, help me on my way
Oh lord I want you to help me
Oh lord I want you to help me
Oh lord I want you to help me
Help me on my journey, help me on my way
Oh lord I want you to help me
While I'm singing I want you to help me
While I'm singing I want you to help me
Help me on my journey, help me on my way
Oh lord I want you to help me
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The lyrics from that Tyler Perry movie also includes the line "Does anybody need help today?"
Cheryl Pepsii Riley sings this version in that movie.
Source: https://www.lyricsfreak.com/c/cheryl+pepsii+riley/oh+lord+i+want+you+to+help+me_20900691.html
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Example #2: NMAC Singing "Lord Help Me"
Nicky Savage, Published on Oct 11, 2011
North Mississippi Acapella Chorus Singing "Lord Help Me" at Terry Street COC. Recorded May 29, 2010 by NICKY SAVAGE. THIS IS ANOTHER SAVAGE ENTERTAINMENT PRODUCTION.
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Example #3: VOD Choir "Lord I Want You To Help Me"
International Gospel Center Ecorse Mi, Published on Jul 28, 2018
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Here's information about this choir from their facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/vod.choir
"We are the Voices of Deliverance Choir under the direction of Bishop Roger J. Hairston, Sr. from the Temple of Faith Church in Columbus, Ohio."
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This concludes Part I of this three part pancocojams series.
Thanks for visiting pancocojams.
Visitor comments are welcome.
This is Part I of a three part pancocojams series the showcases the song "[Oh] Lord, I Want You To Help Me".
Part I showcases three accapella renditions of "Oh Lord I Want You To Help Me". A version of the lyrics for this song as sung in the Tyler Perry movie "I Can Do Bad All By Myself" is also included in this post.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/six-renditions-of-oh-lord-i-want-you-to.html for Part II of this series. Part II showcases six renditions of "Lord, I Want You To Help Me. Lyrics for three of these versions are also included in that post.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/african-american-choir-wearing-west.html for Part III of this pancocojams series. Part III showcases a rendition of "Lord I Want You To Help Me" by the Classical Roots Community Mass Choir, Pastor Marvin Winans and Carolyn O’Bryant as well as the Cincinnati [Ohio] Symphony Orchestra. Special attention is given in this post to the multiple colors and designs of kente cloth stoles that choir members wear over their robes. The Addendum to that post presents some information about Ghana's and The Ivory Coast's (West Africa) kente cloth fabrics.
The content of this post is presented for religious, cultural, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to the composer/s of this song and thanks to all the featured singers of this song. Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTES
I don't know the composer/s name/s for the song "Lord, I Want You To Help Me". Thus far, the earliest recording date that I've found for this song is 1964 (performed by Rev. Robert Wilkins. That version is featured in Part II of this series.) However, the rendition (also in Part II* of this pancocojams series) by the McIntosh County Shouters, a Georgia ring shout group, suggests that this song may have been sung much earlier than the 1960s. The McInTosh County SHouter's version of this song is included in an album that refers to the songs as "Spirituals and Shouts". My guess is that "shouts" may have been an early term for Gospel songs that were sung while doing ring shouts. I think that that "shout" version may have been the earliest way that this song was sung.
I'm presenting examples of accapella renditions of "Oh Lord, I Want You To Help Me" before examples with musical instrument accompaniment because I believe that was the order in which this song was sung.
If you have any information about this song, please share it in the comment section below. Thanks!
*The McInTosh County Shouter's sound file example of this song is presented in Part II of this series because it features tambourines and a stick that is rhythmically pounded on the ground. I don't know if those "musical instruments" accompanied the earliest renditions of this song or not. However, the accapella examples in this post focus on hand clapping and foot stomping accompaniments. That said, notice that the video of the North Mississippi Acapella Chorus [example # 2 below] also features two men "beat boxing".
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SHOWCASE EXAMPLES:
Example #1: Lord I want you to help me
onehomes, Published on Feb 22, 2010
I can do bad all by myself [Tyler Perry movie]
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LYRICS: LORD, I WANT YOU TO HELP ME
Oh lord I want you to help me
Oh lord I want you to help me
Help me on my journey, help me on my way
Oh lord I want you to help me
While I'm waiting I want you to help me
While I'm waiting I want you to help me
Help me on my journey, help me on my way
Oh lord I want you to help me
Oh lord I want you to help me
Oh lord I want you to help me
Help me on my journey, help me on my way
Oh lord I want you to help me
While I'm singing I want you to help me
While I'm singing I want you to help me
Help me on my journey, help me on my way
Oh lord I want you to help me
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The lyrics from that Tyler Perry movie also includes the line "Does anybody need help today?"
Cheryl Pepsii Riley sings this version in that movie.
Source: https://www.lyricsfreak.com/c/cheryl+pepsii+riley/oh+lord+i+want+you+to+help+me_20900691.html
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Example #2: NMAC Singing "Lord Help Me"
Nicky Savage, Published on Oct 11, 2011
North Mississippi Acapella Chorus Singing "Lord Help Me" at Terry Street COC. Recorded May 29, 2010 by NICKY SAVAGE. THIS IS ANOTHER SAVAGE ENTERTAINMENT PRODUCTION.
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Example #3: VOD Choir "Lord I Want You To Help Me"
International Gospel Center Ecorse Mi, Published on Jul 28, 2018
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Here's information about this choir from their facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/vod.choir
"We are the Voices of Deliverance Choir under the direction of Bishop Roger J. Hairston, Sr. from the Temple of Faith Church in Columbus, Ohio."
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This concludes Part I of this three part pancocojams series.
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Saturday, March 30, 2019
Two Videos About Afro-Argentines (with selected comments from their discussion threads)
Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post showcases two YouTube videos about Afro-Argentines (people of Black African descent living in Argentina, South America).
Selected comments from these videos discussions threads are included in this post. Some of these comments mention other South American nations such as Uruguay, Mexico, and Chile.
The content of this post is presented for historical and sociological purposes.
All content remains with their owners.
Thanks to all those who are featured in these videos and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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SHOWCASE VIDEOS
Video #1: Afro-Latino Connection (Afro-Argentines)
HYPSIS09, Published on Oct 24, 2013
Research supports the claim by the Center for Genetic Studies of the School of Arts and Sciences of the Universidad de Buenos Aires (UBA) that an estimated 4.3 percent of the people living in suburban Buenos Aires have genetic markers of African descent.] Today there is still a notable Afro-Argentine community in the Buenos Aires district of San Telmo. There are also quite a few African descended Argentinians in Merlo and Ciudad Evita cities, in the Buenos Aires metropolitan area. . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Arg...
Although people don't usually think of black people when they think of Argentina, the country does indeed have a history of African descendents. Given the common belief among Argentine citizens that all blacks who reside in the country are foreigners, Afro-Argentines often must fight to be recognized as both black and Argentine. Although the black population of Argentina is small, there are many organizations and artists who are fighting for the recognition of the history, culture and population of black Argentina. .
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Here are some comments from this video's discussion thread. These comments were selected to document the varying opinions included in that discussion. Numbers were added for referencing purposes only:
1. Isabella V, 2014
"Part of the issue is that absolutely everyone in the United States uses the terms Latino and Hispanic interchangeably as if it were a race in itself (not an ethnic background) and typically it's not limited to those from Spain or Italy at all IF EVER. Even worse, the term "Spanish" as an identifier or race is thrown around by Americans more than Hispanic or Latino to label anyone stereotypically considered to be from Central or South America (when Spanish as we should know is a language and not a race or ethnicity)
When African American History is discussed or taught in the American educational system seldom do we hear anything about the experience of those Africans who were transported throughout Central and South America when the large majority were indeed sent to these various countries.
So what exactly is taught in History and the educational system of the United States in general about the term African Americans? Segregation of blacks and whites in the U.S, civil rights movements such as Black Panthers, well known activists such as Harriet Tubman or Martin Luther King, The Underground Railroad, religion conversion to Baptism for many, and other rich components of the black experience in the UNITED STATES aka North America. As we can see, the "African American" history is only catered to those who were sent to the United States and just about any other blacks living around the world are ignored (Almost as if the slave trade were directed exclusively to the United States... dismissing the other rich components of what being black can be). As a result, many stereotypes are overgeneralized and cater only to the black experience for those who lived and current day live in the United States.
Most recognize the mere fact that while many of the French and Romanians may be white at first glance, it is plausible that they can also be French, Romanian, German, or any other nationality or ethnic background without questioning their validity. The same cannot be said to those blacks who have been living in Central and South America since the slave trade and their experience has been completely different post slave trade.
The biggest issue I see here is simply a lack of awareness and knowledge in general. While the U.S government made the very decision to call a person with African descent living in spanish speaking countries as Hispanic (as we can all see in numerous census survey explanations when choosing race or ethnicity), the government does not require nor advocate education of the very different black experiences in other nations outside of their own interestingly.
So what is the experience of blacks from Central or South America who left their families recently and everything they knew to chase the American Dream? They come to realize that the citizens from the very country with more resources than most countries known as the U.S do not have a single clue that it is physically feasible to speak fluent spanish as a first language and be dark skin, brown skin, fair skin, white skin or any other skin color for that matter. It's a shocker even when they should at least know the slave trade existed beyond North America.Yet any white who you suddenly hear speaking french or german for example is not seen as extraordinary, a rare commodity, or worse a poser. Have you ever heard someone ask an individual who is racially white but ethnically different why they speak any language outside of English? Not at all. It's not even a shocker to know blacks from countries like the Bahamas, Jamaica, etc can carry a heavy caribbean accent or speak Patois (Patwa) Now tell me how such ignorance is possible by the millions in a leading country as North America?
There is a lack of awareness that blacks existing anywhere outside of North America is a reality as a result of the past (slave trade). Sadly, while the "U.S government" implies blacks can be of any ethnicity, the American citizens living under this government typically would not even know it is possible to speak spanish unless you fit the general stereotype (not black, white, asian, or other as it very well can be)
The blacks from Central and South America are not denying their heritage of African ancestry by labeling themselves as Afrolatino or simply Latino/a, in fact much of what we would like to consider Latin American culture such as the music and food derives from African traditions infused with Spanish tradition. If these particular groups of blacks from Central and South America are not discussed in African American History nor Latin History in the United States educational system, then where do these groups of people stand? How can they relate to the African Americans when very little is shared in common aside from the fact that at some point they were connected with the slave trade?
This should be an opportunity to learn about our complex world filled with so many eyeopening cultures and heritages."
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2. Nancy Medina, 2014
"I agree. I have had this same argument with my Dominican friends ."
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3. mrpetersonandsnappyturtle, 2016
"You are educated person, but some of the people from latin america i have met here consider themselves latino/hispanic. Especially the people from santo domingo, puerto rico and cuba. They tell me they are not mixed, they are hispanic!"
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4. DieguitoSN, 2014
"Zeeqtee Prn, no negamos, en argentina, por la poca cantidad de afroargentinos en referencia a la poblacion total, es dificil conocer a un afro y que sea argentino, por lo general son extranjeros."
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Google translate from Spanish to English:
Zeeqtee Prn, we do not deny, in Argentina, for the small number of Afro-Argentines in reference to the total population, it is difficult to know an Afro and that is Argentine, they are usually foreigners.
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5. nickfl1980, 2014
"Those Afro Argentines are not foreigners, they are argentine. Don't be so insecure Dieguito, it only makes you sad."
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6. DieguitoSN, 2014
"you have not understood me..."
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7. soydelRojo, 2015
"+nickfl1980 most of blacks of nowadays in Argentina are foreigners, that is true. blacks of the 19th century were slowly disappearing by wars and, mainly, miscegenation with whites and amerindians, that's because today there are a few black Argentines today
even in the colonial times, blacks weren't many"
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8. whatmeworry notoday, 2015
"First you must understand the politics and history of Argentina. It is indeed European at heart. Meaning when The Spanish came (Whites) they conquered and setup a European style govt. With the Whites from Spain in control. They revolted like the U.S. did against Britain.. The indigenous population was a resource. As were the imported African Slaves. you were not of any value if you weren't a direct descendant from Spain or Italy. in other words White. So for centuries the way to advance was to be White. So the lucky children of raped women became a separate class and married White and have over time Whitened the country. But it was planned and systematic. The same as it is everywhere.. They were just one of the most ruthless. And were very oppressive of there native population. Not to mention the killing of its African population through wars in which they were 80 percent of Army. 100 percent front lines. But less than 50% of population."
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9. Paco, 2017
"Im from Argentina, I have Spanish Italian, African and indigenous descent, I dont look white but i dont look black either. The thing about Argentina is that when the spanish imperialized they mass murdered most of the population of natives, and the africans were slowly decreasing. I love my country culture and people but I strongly believe that it is sad how there has been a loss of mixture. Vamos Argentina y viva la raza!"
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10. Mauro Minutta, 2017
"This video is plagued with false and misinterpreted information, the truth is that in latin America 80% of people are mixed, European, black, and native. What varies according to region is the percentages. Dominican Republic is more African, Mexico is more native, Argentina and Uruguay are more European, therefore most people do look white. And in latin america race is defined by the way you look, African culture and racial features have dissolved in Argentina, it's not being racist... I have lived in Argentina 27 years, never have I ever encountered a black person or mulatto even, that is an Argentinian citizen. When Menem( the president) was asked about blacks, he said we have none, Brazil has the problem of racism because they do, because their population is more diverse, he didn't mean black ppl as a problem, he meant racism as a problem It's so easy to take what somebody said out of context and create stereotypes that are not fair nor true if one wants to."
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11. Tam, 2017
"I never knew there are African descendant Argentines. The only give away is the dance and music but i thought they just imported that. lol."
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12. Stgfre, 2017
"That is an over exaggeration. They exist but they are a small minority. Uruguay and Argentina are white majority nations."
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13. carlos nestor armanth ceballos, 2018
"en mis ancestros(abuelo paterno,) era un afro argentino y mi abuela hija de inmigrantes españoles... sucesivas cruzas y heme aquí ...estaba de paso, vi luz prendida y me acerqué... hasta pronto..."
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Google translate from Spanish to English:
in my ancestors (paternal grandfather), I was an Afro-Argentinian and my grandmother was the daughter of Spanish immigrants ... successive crosses and here I am ... I was passing by, I saw light on and I approached ... see you soon ...
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14. carlos nestor armanth ceballos, 2018
"hay bastante información pero hay que dedicar tiempo para reunirla, pero a modo de título como prólogo, pongo en conocimiento que Don Bernardino Rivadavia primer presidente de Argentina esta "AFROARGENTINO" y no sé si no fue el primer presidente del planeta en toda la historia universal....
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poblaci%C3%B3n_negra_en_Argentina
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Google translate from Spanish to English:
There is a lot of information but you have to dedicate time to gather it, but as a title as a prologue, I inform you that Don Bernardino Rivadavia is the first president of Argentina "AFROARGENTINO" and I do not know if he was not the first president of the planet in all of world history ...."
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15. carlos nestor armanth ceballos, 2018
http://afroestilo.com/blog/2014/05/08/heroes-afrodescendientes-argentinos-invisibilizados/
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translated from Spanish to English:
https://afroestilo.com/blog/2014/05/08/heroes-afrodescendientes-argentinos-invisibilizados/ ARTICLES , ROOTS AND HISTORY
INVISIBLE ARGENTINE AFRO-DESCENDANT HEROES
"In the framework of the fight for the visibility of Afros, the valuation of their contributions in Argentina and the recognition and enjoyment of their rights, a traveling exhibition called "Invisible Argentine Afro-descendant Heroes" will be held for a period of one year."...
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16. carlos nestor armanth ceballos, 2018
https://www.pagina12.com.ar/53525-la-desaparicion-afro-en-la-argentina-es-un-mito
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translated from Spanish to English:
"July 31, 2017
Lea Geler, anthropologist and doctor in History
"The disappearance of Afro in Argentina is a myth"
She is the author of the book Andares negros, caminos blancos. Afroporteños, State and Argentine Nation at the end of the 19th century. In his research shows that in the country Afro descendants is a palpable and alive presence. And that his denial is the product of racism.
By Verónica Engler"...
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Video #2: Afro Argentines speak on blackness
The Ankh Life, Published on Jan 13, 2017
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Here are some comments from this video's discussion thread. These comments were selected to document the varying opinions included in that discussion. Numbers were added for referencing purposes only:
1. Javier Cabanillas, 2017
"Por favor dejen de decir afro argentinos, no somos estados unidos. Si son argentinos sean argentinos . Yo no voy por la calle diciendo soy franco español guaranie argentino!!! ."
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Google translate from Spanish to English:
"Please stop saying Afro Argentines, we are not United States. If they are Argentines, be Argentines. I'm not going down the street saying I'm frank Spanish Argentinian guaranie !!! ."
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2. aaron kalala, 2018
"Javier Cabanillas lo dicen para que la gente ignorante sepa que también hay argentinos afro, visibilizar esa raza no esconderla como siempre ha Sido..."
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Google translate from Spanish to English:
"Javier Cabanillas says it so that ignorant people know that there are also Afro Argentines, make visible that race does not hide it as it has always been ..."
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3. lauruguayitausa, 2018
"Javier Cabanillas, estoy totalmente de acuerdo con vos!!! Igual pasa en Uruguay. Somos todos orientales, unos blancos, otros negros, pero todos uruguayos!!!"
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Google translate from Spanish to English:
"Javier Cabanillas, I totally agree with you! The same happens in Uruguay. We are all Orientals, some whites, others blacks, but all Uruguayans!"
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4. Augusto Viale, 2018
"lauruguayitausa los negros de aca son vecinos como afrouruguayos y afrobrasileños que hay en las zonas lindantes con brasil , esta es otra propaganda del zurdaje de querer sembrar una division racial . Y lo de que todos venimos de europa no es tan asi porque despues de la migracion europea de la segunda guerra vinieron coreanos y ya van 50 años en el pais y ya son 4 generacion como hay japoneses de okinawa , lo ideal es decir que venimos de los barcos y de las guerras"
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Google translate from Spanish to English:
"lauruguayitausa the blacks here are neighbors like Afro-Uruguayan and Afro-Brazilian who are in the areas bordering Brazil, this is another propaganda of the left-handedness of wanting to sow a racial division. And the fact that we all come from Europe is not so because after the European migration of the second war came Koreans and they are already 50 years in the country and there are already 4 generations as there are Japanese Okinawa, the ideal is to say that we come from the ships and the wars"
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5. Valine Richards, 2018
"I did not know that there are black Argentinian"
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6. Gods Klanof, 2018
"@Valine Richards; ALL countries on the American continents do have BLACKS: Nicaragua, Ecuador, Chili, Canada, Mexico, Honduras, Peru, etc, all"
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7. Liliana Daruich, 2018
"@Gods Klanof the are all over the world, however, in Argentina there are the, approximately, 3% of the population, something around 2-3 millions."
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8. Gabe Segun, 2018
"I have always wondered why Argentina and Uruguay could be the only countries in the whole of America continent considering the history without blacks. they are the ones without black soccer players. Uruguay had one at the last world cup.
Now we know that they have been suppressed. Mexico is doing the same thing. You can fool some people sometime but you can't fool all the people all the time."
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9. Sean Taylor, 2018
"Ururguay had players of African descent as early as the 1930 World Cup."
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10. Mamuwalde Voudou Practitioner, 2018
"Thank You for posting this!!💓 I had been mislead that there truly were no African people in and of Argentina by way of typical racist propaganda in the media.
African Diaspora: Rise Up and Be Seen!
White racist colonialism and supremacy is coming to an END!! Time's Up!"
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11. DeAngela Williams, 2018
"It's amazing how they try to bury black people in every corner of the world and try to hide that worldwide we are the majority especially if you factor in mixed people with African descent even if they are denying their African descent we cover the planet that's why they want to kill us. And weak Africans and mixed people of African descent deny themselves and their ancestry because they think that by doing so people can't see the Blackness in them it's all very sad. I don't know how people who are black, deny being black can look in the mirror at themselves it must be very hard for them to do and very hard for them to hear when people are talking sh&t* about black people and their ancestry because it's a part of you it's in you there's no getting it out of you so when you do that like you're talking about yourself"
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*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.
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12. Ebony J., 2018
"DeAngela Williams My friend is from Argentina and he did his DNA and was shocked about the Indian and African blood .. he expected a lot of European blood ... Sad!"
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13. Orla Rusl, 2018
"Still thre are people who ignore racism and it happens also in Chili Uraguay"
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14. lauruguayitausa, 2018
"That is not true!!! No one tries to bury the African roots of Uruguayan black people!!!! On the contrary! They are very important in our music, which it was solely their music, we also had great soccer players who were black, in all the world championships we won, there were blacks, even in the Olympics in 1924, and we, I think, are the only country who have a uncle and a nephew of African origin to Win a World Cup, in 1930 and 1950. So, do not generalize!!!"
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15. dale stuart, 2018
"I have never seen a black soccer player for the Argentinian national team. if I am wrong please correct me."
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16. Martin Gracia, 2018
"Search info for Hector " chocolate " Baley he was world champion in 1978."
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17. dale stuart, 2018
"martin gracia, yes, you are absolutely right. I stand corrected."
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18. Victor Campbell, 2018
"Mercado, Di maria , Tevez"
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19. dale stuart, 2018
"victor campbell, di mariia and Tevez are not black."
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20. Victor Campbell, 2018
"@dale stuart yes ,they are black , did you see them colour skin?? Oh sure , they are whites with blue eyes"
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21. Catalina Cassineri, 2019
"dale stuart We have them we import them from Colombia."
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22. KnightSmoke20, 2018
"I just assume blacks and asians are in every culture 🤷♂️. I’m never surprised"
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23. Jonny B, 2018
"Europeans were brought in to Argentina during the 20th century to" lighten" the country per say, many were Germans and some of those Germans were Nazi."
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24. Luigi Capoti, 2018
"tango is imposible without the rythm afro"
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25. The KanaaniteTV, 2018
"I also feel like the Native Argentinos are being erased as well"
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26. bEASToUTtHEbOX, 2018
"Yes, we know a vast majority of light-skinned Latinos are profoundly racist in the Caribbean, North, Central, and South Americas.... I randomly watched 4 hours of Telemundo programming, and saw only 2 Afro-Latinos (whom had no speaking roles...so I am only guessing they were Afro-Latinos)
The disparagement of dark-skinned people is strong in Latin countries....very strong..."
27. bornbranded29, 2019
"one drop rule nonsense. these people are barely black."
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Thanks for visiting pancocojams.
Visitor comments are welcome.
This pancocojams post showcases two YouTube videos about Afro-Argentines (people of Black African descent living in Argentina, South America).
Selected comments from these videos discussions threads are included in this post. Some of these comments mention other South American nations such as Uruguay, Mexico, and Chile.
The content of this post is presented for historical and sociological purposes.
All content remains with their owners.
Thanks to all those who are featured in these videos and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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SHOWCASE VIDEOS
Video #1: Afro-Latino Connection (Afro-Argentines)
HYPSIS09, Published on Oct 24, 2013
Research supports the claim by the Center for Genetic Studies of the School of Arts and Sciences of the Universidad de Buenos Aires (UBA) that an estimated 4.3 percent of the people living in suburban Buenos Aires have genetic markers of African descent.] Today there is still a notable Afro-Argentine community in the Buenos Aires district of San Telmo. There are also quite a few African descended Argentinians in Merlo and Ciudad Evita cities, in the Buenos Aires metropolitan area. . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Arg...
Although people don't usually think of black people when they think of Argentina, the country does indeed have a history of African descendents. Given the common belief among Argentine citizens that all blacks who reside in the country are foreigners, Afro-Argentines often must fight to be recognized as both black and Argentine. Although the black population of Argentina is small, there are many organizations and artists who are fighting for the recognition of the history, culture and population of black Argentina. .
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Here are some comments from this video's discussion thread. These comments were selected to document the varying opinions included in that discussion. Numbers were added for referencing purposes only:
1. Isabella V, 2014
"Part of the issue is that absolutely everyone in the United States uses the terms Latino and Hispanic interchangeably as if it were a race in itself (not an ethnic background) and typically it's not limited to those from Spain or Italy at all IF EVER. Even worse, the term "Spanish" as an identifier or race is thrown around by Americans more than Hispanic or Latino to label anyone stereotypically considered to be from Central or South America (when Spanish as we should know is a language and not a race or ethnicity)
When African American History is discussed or taught in the American educational system seldom do we hear anything about the experience of those Africans who were transported throughout Central and South America when the large majority were indeed sent to these various countries.
So what exactly is taught in History and the educational system of the United States in general about the term African Americans? Segregation of blacks and whites in the U.S, civil rights movements such as Black Panthers, well known activists such as Harriet Tubman or Martin Luther King, The Underground Railroad, religion conversion to Baptism for many, and other rich components of the black experience in the UNITED STATES aka North America. As we can see, the "African American" history is only catered to those who were sent to the United States and just about any other blacks living around the world are ignored (Almost as if the slave trade were directed exclusively to the United States... dismissing the other rich components of what being black can be). As a result, many stereotypes are overgeneralized and cater only to the black experience for those who lived and current day live in the United States.
Most recognize the mere fact that while many of the French and Romanians may be white at first glance, it is plausible that they can also be French, Romanian, German, or any other nationality or ethnic background without questioning their validity. The same cannot be said to those blacks who have been living in Central and South America since the slave trade and their experience has been completely different post slave trade.
The biggest issue I see here is simply a lack of awareness and knowledge in general. While the U.S government made the very decision to call a person with African descent living in spanish speaking countries as Hispanic (as we can all see in numerous census survey explanations when choosing race or ethnicity), the government does not require nor advocate education of the very different black experiences in other nations outside of their own interestingly.
So what is the experience of blacks from Central or South America who left their families recently and everything they knew to chase the American Dream? They come to realize that the citizens from the very country with more resources than most countries known as the U.S do not have a single clue that it is physically feasible to speak fluent spanish as a first language and be dark skin, brown skin, fair skin, white skin or any other skin color for that matter. It's a shocker even when they should at least know the slave trade existed beyond North America.Yet any white who you suddenly hear speaking french or german for example is not seen as extraordinary, a rare commodity, or worse a poser. Have you ever heard someone ask an individual who is racially white but ethnically different why they speak any language outside of English? Not at all. It's not even a shocker to know blacks from countries like the Bahamas, Jamaica, etc can carry a heavy caribbean accent or speak Patois (Patwa) Now tell me how such ignorance is possible by the millions in a leading country as North America?
There is a lack of awareness that blacks existing anywhere outside of North America is a reality as a result of the past (slave trade). Sadly, while the "U.S government" implies blacks can be of any ethnicity, the American citizens living under this government typically would not even know it is possible to speak spanish unless you fit the general stereotype (not black, white, asian, or other as it very well can be)
The blacks from Central and South America are not denying their heritage of African ancestry by labeling themselves as Afrolatino or simply Latino/a, in fact much of what we would like to consider Latin American culture such as the music and food derives from African traditions infused with Spanish tradition. If these particular groups of blacks from Central and South America are not discussed in African American History nor Latin History in the United States educational system, then where do these groups of people stand? How can they relate to the African Americans when very little is shared in common aside from the fact that at some point they were connected with the slave trade?
This should be an opportunity to learn about our complex world filled with so many eyeopening cultures and heritages."
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2. Nancy Medina, 2014
"I agree. I have had this same argument with my Dominican friends ."
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3. mrpetersonandsnappyturtle, 2016
"You are educated person, but some of the people from latin america i have met here consider themselves latino/hispanic. Especially the people from santo domingo, puerto rico and cuba. They tell me they are not mixed, they are hispanic!"
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4. DieguitoSN, 2014
"Zeeqtee Prn, no negamos, en argentina, por la poca cantidad de afroargentinos en referencia a la poblacion total, es dificil conocer a un afro y que sea argentino, por lo general son extranjeros."
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Google translate from Spanish to English:
Zeeqtee Prn, we do not deny, in Argentina, for the small number of Afro-Argentines in reference to the total population, it is difficult to know an Afro and that is Argentine, they are usually foreigners.
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5. nickfl1980, 2014
"Those Afro Argentines are not foreigners, they are argentine. Don't be so insecure Dieguito, it only makes you sad."
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6. DieguitoSN, 2014
"you have not understood me..."
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7. soydelRojo, 2015
"+nickfl1980 most of blacks of nowadays in Argentina are foreigners, that is true. blacks of the 19th century were slowly disappearing by wars and, mainly, miscegenation with whites and amerindians, that's because today there are a few black Argentines today
even in the colonial times, blacks weren't many"
**
8. whatmeworry notoday, 2015
"First you must understand the politics and history of Argentina. It is indeed European at heart. Meaning when The Spanish came (Whites) they conquered and setup a European style govt. With the Whites from Spain in control. They revolted like the U.S. did against Britain.. The indigenous population was a resource. As were the imported African Slaves. you were not of any value if you weren't a direct descendant from Spain or Italy. in other words White. So for centuries the way to advance was to be White. So the lucky children of raped women became a separate class and married White and have over time Whitened the country. But it was planned and systematic. The same as it is everywhere.. They were just one of the most ruthless. And were very oppressive of there native population. Not to mention the killing of its African population through wars in which they were 80 percent of Army. 100 percent front lines. But less than 50% of population."
**
9. Paco, 2017
"Im from Argentina, I have Spanish Italian, African and indigenous descent, I dont look white but i dont look black either. The thing about Argentina is that when the spanish imperialized they mass murdered most of the population of natives, and the africans were slowly decreasing. I love my country culture and people but I strongly believe that it is sad how there has been a loss of mixture. Vamos Argentina y viva la raza!"
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10. Mauro Minutta, 2017
"This video is plagued with false and misinterpreted information, the truth is that in latin America 80% of people are mixed, European, black, and native. What varies according to region is the percentages. Dominican Republic is more African, Mexico is more native, Argentina and Uruguay are more European, therefore most people do look white. And in latin america race is defined by the way you look, African culture and racial features have dissolved in Argentina, it's not being racist... I have lived in Argentina 27 years, never have I ever encountered a black person or mulatto even, that is an Argentinian citizen. When Menem( the president) was asked about blacks, he said we have none, Brazil has the problem of racism because they do, because their population is more diverse, he didn't mean black ppl as a problem, he meant racism as a problem It's so easy to take what somebody said out of context and create stereotypes that are not fair nor true if one wants to."
**
11. Tam, 2017
"I never knew there are African descendant Argentines. The only give away is the dance and music but i thought they just imported that. lol."
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12. Stgfre, 2017
"That is an over exaggeration. They exist but they are a small minority. Uruguay and Argentina are white majority nations."
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13. carlos nestor armanth ceballos, 2018
"en mis ancestros(abuelo paterno,) era un afro argentino y mi abuela hija de inmigrantes españoles... sucesivas cruzas y heme aquí ...estaba de paso, vi luz prendida y me acerqué... hasta pronto..."
-snip-
Google translate from Spanish to English:
in my ancestors (paternal grandfather), I was an Afro-Argentinian and my grandmother was the daughter of Spanish immigrants ... successive crosses and here I am ... I was passing by, I saw light on and I approached ... see you soon ...
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14. carlos nestor armanth ceballos, 2018
"hay bastante información pero hay que dedicar tiempo para reunirla, pero a modo de título como prólogo, pongo en conocimiento que Don Bernardino Rivadavia primer presidente de Argentina esta "AFROARGENTINO" y no sé si no fue el primer presidente del planeta en toda la historia universal....
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poblaci%C3%B3n_negra_en_Argentina
-snip-
Google translate from Spanish to English:
There is a lot of information but you have to dedicate time to gather it, but as a title as a prologue, I inform you that Don Bernardino Rivadavia is the first president of Argentina "AFROARGENTINO" and I do not know if he was not the first president of the planet in all of world history ...."
**
15. carlos nestor armanth ceballos, 2018
http://afroestilo.com/blog/2014/05/08/heroes-afrodescendientes-argentinos-invisibilizados/
-snip-
translated from Spanish to English:
https://afroestilo.com/blog/2014/05/08/heroes-afrodescendientes-argentinos-invisibilizados/ ARTICLES , ROOTS AND HISTORY
INVISIBLE ARGENTINE AFRO-DESCENDANT HEROES
"In the framework of the fight for the visibility of Afros, the valuation of their contributions in Argentina and the recognition and enjoyment of their rights, a traveling exhibition called "Invisible Argentine Afro-descendant Heroes" will be held for a period of one year."...
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16. carlos nestor armanth ceballos, 2018
https://www.pagina12.com.ar/53525-la-desaparicion-afro-en-la-argentina-es-un-mito
-snip-
translated from Spanish to English:
"July 31, 2017
Lea Geler, anthropologist and doctor in History
"The disappearance of Afro in Argentina is a myth"
She is the author of the book Andares negros, caminos blancos. Afroporteños, State and Argentine Nation at the end of the 19th century. In his research shows that in the country Afro descendants is a palpable and alive presence. And that his denial is the product of racism.
By Verónica Engler"...
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Video #2: Afro Argentines speak on blackness
The Ankh Life, Published on Jan 13, 2017
-snip-
Here are some comments from this video's discussion thread. These comments were selected to document the varying opinions included in that discussion. Numbers were added for referencing purposes only:
1. Javier Cabanillas, 2017
"Por favor dejen de decir afro argentinos, no somos estados unidos. Si son argentinos sean argentinos . Yo no voy por la calle diciendo soy franco español guaranie argentino!!! ."
-snip-
Google translate from Spanish to English:
"Please stop saying Afro Argentines, we are not United States. If they are Argentines, be Argentines. I'm not going down the street saying I'm frank Spanish Argentinian guaranie !!! ."
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REPLY
2. aaron kalala, 2018
"Javier Cabanillas lo dicen para que la gente ignorante sepa que también hay argentinos afro, visibilizar esa raza no esconderla como siempre ha Sido..."
-snip-
Google translate from Spanish to English:
"Javier Cabanillas says it so that ignorant people know that there are also Afro Argentines, make visible that race does not hide it as it has always been ..."
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REPLY
3. lauruguayitausa, 2018
"Javier Cabanillas, estoy totalmente de acuerdo con vos!!! Igual pasa en Uruguay. Somos todos orientales, unos blancos, otros negros, pero todos uruguayos!!!"
-snip-
Google translate from Spanish to English:
"Javier Cabanillas, I totally agree with you! The same happens in Uruguay. We are all Orientals, some whites, others blacks, but all Uruguayans!"
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REPLY
4. Augusto Viale, 2018
"lauruguayitausa los negros de aca son vecinos como afrouruguayos y afrobrasileños que hay en las zonas lindantes con brasil , esta es otra propaganda del zurdaje de querer sembrar una division racial . Y lo de que todos venimos de europa no es tan asi porque despues de la migracion europea de la segunda guerra vinieron coreanos y ya van 50 años en el pais y ya son 4 generacion como hay japoneses de okinawa , lo ideal es decir que venimos de los barcos y de las guerras"
-snip-
Google translate from Spanish to English:
"lauruguayitausa the blacks here are neighbors like Afro-Uruguayan and Afro-Brazilian who are in the areas bordering Brazil, this is another propaganda of the left-handedness of wanting to sow a racial division. And the fact that we all come from Europe is not so because after the European migration of the second war came Koreans and they are already 50 years in the country and there are already 4 generations as there are Japanese Okinawa, the ideal is to say that we come from the ships and the wars"
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5. Valine Richards, 2018
"I did not know that there are black Argentinian"
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REPLY
6. Gods Klanof, 2018
"@Valine Richards; ALL countries on the American continents do have BLACKS: Nicaragua, Ecuador, Chili, Canada, Mexico, Honduras, Peru, etc, all"
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REPLY
7. Liliana Daruich, 2018
"@Gods Klanof the are all over the world, however, in Argentina there are the, approximately, 3% of the population, something around 2-3 millions."
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8. Gabe Segun, 2018
"I have always wondered why Argentina and Uruguay could be the only countries in the whole of America continent considering the history without blacks. they are the ones without black soccer players. Uruguay had one at the last world cup.
Now we know that they have been suppressed. Mexico is doing the same thing. You can fool some people sometime but you can't fool all the people all the time."
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REPLY
9. Sean Taylor, 2018
"Ururguay had players of African descent as early as the 1930 World Cup."
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10. Mamuwalde Voudou Practitioner, 2018
"Thank You for posting this!!💓 I had been mislead that there truly were no African people in and of Argentina by way of typical racist propaganda in the media.
African Diaspora: Rise Up and Be Seen!
White racist colonialism and supremacy is coming to an END!! Time's Up!"
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11. DeAngela Williams, 2018
"It's amazing how they try to bury black people in every corner of the world and try to hide that worldwide we are the majority especially if you factor in mixed people with African descent even if they are denying their African descent we cover the planet that's why they want to kill us. And weak Africans and mixed people of African descent deny themselves and their ancestry because they think that by doing so people can't see the Blackness in them it's all very sad. I don't know how people who are black, deny being black can look in the mirror at themselves it must be very hard for them to do and very hard for them to hear when people are talking sh&t* about black people and their ancestry because it's a part of you it's in you there's no getting it out of you so when you do that like you're talking about yourself"
-snip-
*This word is fully spelled out in this comment.
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REPLY
12. Ebony J., 2018
"DeAngela Williams My friend is from Argentina and he did his DNA and was shocked about the Indian and African blood .. he expected a lot of European blood ... Sad!"
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REPLY
13. Orla Rusl, 2018
"Still thre are people who ignore racism and it happens also in Chili Uraguay"
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REPLY
14. lauruguayitausa, 2018
"That is not true!!! No one tries to bury the African roots of Uruguayan black people!!!! On the contrary! They are very important in our music, which it was solely their music, we also had great soccer players who were black, in all the world championships we won, there were blacks, even in the Olympics in 1924, and we, I think, are the only country who have a uncle and a nephew of African origin to Win a World Cup, in 1930 and 1950. So, do not generalize!!!"
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15. dale stuart, 2018
"I have never seen a black soccer player for the Argentinian national team. if I am wrong please correct me."
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REPLY
16. Martin Gracia, 2018
"Search info for Hector " chocolate " Baley he was world champion in 1978."
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REPLY
17. dale stuart, 2018
"martin gracia, yes, you are absolutely right. I stand corrected."
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REPLY
18. Victor Campbell, 2018
"Mercado, Di maria , Tevez"
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REPLY
19. dale stuart, 2018
"victor campbell, di mariia and Tevez are not black."
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REPLY
20. Victor Campbell, 2018
"@dale stuart yes ,they are black , did you see them colour skin?? Oh sure , they are whites with blue eyes"
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REPLY
21. Catalina Cassineri, 2019
"dale stuart We have them we import them from Colombia."
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22. KnightSmoke20, 2018
"I just assume blacks and asians are in every culture 🤷♂️. I’m never surprised"
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23. Jonny B, 2018
"Europeans were brought in to Argentina during the 20th century to" lighten" the country per say, many were Germans and some of those Germans were Nazi."
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24. Luigi Capoti, 2018
"tango is imposible without the rythm afro"
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25. The KanaaniteTV, 2018
"I also feel like the Native Argentinos are being erased as well"
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26. bEASToUTtHEbOX, 2018
"Yes, we know a vast majority of light-skinned Latinos are profoundly racist in the Caribbean, North, Central, and South Americas.... I randomly watched 4 hours of Telemundo programming, and saw only 2 Afro-Latinos (whom had no speaking roles...so I am only guessing they were Afro-Latinos)
The disparagement of dark-skinned people is strong in Latin countries....very strong..."
27. bornbranded29, 2019
"one drop rule nonsense. these people are barely black."
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Wednesday, March 27, 2019
Red Rat's Jamaican Dancehall Song "Big Man Little Yute" (Information, Sound file, Lyrics, & Comments)
Edited by Azizi Powell
This pancocojams post presents information about Jamaica's Dancehall music and information about Dancehall recording star Red Rat (Wallace Wilson).
This post also showcases two sound files of and the lyrics for Red Rat's hit song "Big Man Little Yute".
Selected comments from the discussion thread for one of these sound files are also included in this post.
This post also includes my interpretations in standard English for several Jamaican patois songs that are in Red Rat's song "Big Man Little Yute".
The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Red Rat (Wallace Wilson) for his musical legacy. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of these sound files on YouTube.
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INFORMATION ABOUT DANCEHALL MUSIC
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancehall
"Dancehall is a genre of Jamaican popular music that originated in the late 1970s.[2] Initially, dancehall was a more sparse version of reggae than the roots style, which had dominated much of the 1970s.[3][4] In the mid-1980s, digital instrumentation became more prevalent, changing the sound considerably, with digital dancehall (or "ragga") becoming increasingly characterized by faster rhythms. Key elements of dancehall music include its extensive use of Jamaican Patois rather than Jamaican standard English and a focus on the track instrumentals (or "riddims").
Dancehall saw initial mainstream success in Jamaica in the 1980s, and by the 1990s, it became increasingly popular in Jamaican diaspora communities. In the 2000s, dancehall experienced worldwide mainstream success, and by the 2010s, it began to heavily influence the work of established Western artists and producers, which has helped to further bring the genre into the Western music mainstream.[5][6][7]”...
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INFORMATION ABOUT RED RAT
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Rat
"Wallace Wilson (born 17 January 1978), better known by the stage name Red Rat, is a Jamaican dancehall reggae recording and performing artist.[1] He was born in Saint Ann's Bay, Saint Ann Parish, Jamaica.[1] He is known for his up-beat music, comical style, and signature catch phrase "Oh, No!".
Wilson's father was the guitarist for Byron Lee & the Dragonaires and two of his older brothers were professional musicians before him.[1]
Red Rat's debut album, Oh, No.. It's Red Rat (1997) featured songs such as "Shelly Ann", "Dwayne", "Tight-up Skirt", "Cruise" (featured in the movie The Big Hit), and "Big Man, Little Yute". It became one of the best selling records from Greensleeves Records.”...
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From http://www.loopjamaica.com/content/where-are-they-now-red-rat-pushing-substance-over-hype Dancehall veteran Red Rat has continued to remain relevant in the music after 21 years.
"These days, he lives overseas in Florida and is currently working hard in the Spanish market not only as a recording artiste, but also as a producer and a writer with his business partner Pascalle. Together, they are the co-owners in the label Infinity Moguls Inc, which is an independent record label based in South Florida."...
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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
Here's an explanation for the word "red" in the stage name "Red Rat":
In the Caribbean the referent "red" refers to a light skinned Black person. The comparable term in the United States is "yellow", although it's not socially acceptable to use that referent for Black Americans. The American term "red bone" has a different meaning than the Caribbean term "red". "Red bone" means a Black person with a reddish tinge to their skin.
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SHOWCASE EXAMPLES
Example #1: Big Man Little Yute + Lyrics
TeLeVisiN, Published on Jul 2, 2008
A blast from da past.......
-snip-
This song's lyrics are found in the summary of that sound file. However, I prefer the copy of those lyrics from https://www.lyricsofsong.com/lyrics/goofy-big-man-little-youth-lyrics-_om96.html as that site give more information about who is singing which line.
LYRICS: BIG MAN LITTLE YUTE
Intro:
Goofy:
She told me, after she loved me, she'd never love another
Red Rat:
And she told me, she want a splendid first temoulcious lover
Chorus:
Red Rat:
A mi she want, you nah see how mi cute
Goofy:
A big man she want, she nah want nah little yute (oh no)
Red Rat:
A mi she want, look how mi brown and slim
Goofy:
A muscle man she want, dats why mi start go a gym (oh no)
Repeat
Verse 1:
Red Rat:
Aye Goofy,
Mi definitely know sey a mi she a look (bo)
She want di new prince she nah want nah old boops (bo)
Dis little red bwoy nah tell lies,
She tell mi sey yah really wotless fi ya size
Goofy:
Little bwoy,
She nah waan you, cause she nah able (a lie)
For nobaddi sey she a rob di cradle (aye)
Worst of all look how yuh maaga and feeble (aye)
And she sey ya only got a little needle (and a lie you a tell)
Red Rat:
Mi know she woulda love feel di little bwoy energy
Cause from wha day mi notice she penny mi
She sey di guiness and she mash you fi sip it up
Cause she know sey di big bwoys caan keep it up
Goofy:
Bwoy mi nah really know what you a tink
But look fi ya self, if a nah mi she a wink
Look how mi mek she a blush, till she turn pink (suppen inna yah eye)
Now she want mi fi fill up her pen with mi ink (aye cho)
Verse 2:
Red Rat:
Talk to dem now
Goofy:
She nah stop admire, di way mi attire
And mi cologne set her heart on fire
Hear mi out Iyah, mi she desire (aye)
Its best if you retire
Red Rat:
Aye, she sey mi own profile, bashment hairstyle, child
Mek she get wild
Worst she direct, she look inna mi dreary eye, oh my (what yah know)
Goofy:
All you a gwan, she sey you was a saps
So its best if yah cool little Chaps (aye)
Cause she just show yah the ting an yah collapse (check dis out)
Now you ask her fi hold it locka drops (Goofy, aye)
Red Rat:
Ah mi eyes mi use man dem, smile mi use grab dem
Dun talk, we aggo see who got dem
Aye, aye, you a, aye
Verse 3:
Red Rat:
We love fi sey
Goofy :
Tonight we aggo see, a who she want
Red Rat:
Mi feel sey a mi, cause she close to har Aunt
Goofy:
No disrespect but hear mi out brother
Mi gone inna business with her mother
Red Rat:
And mi and her use to play dolly house together
Goofy:
But now she get big, a mi a give her di pleasure
Red Rat:
You only get a choops
Dat mean you is a floops
Go away, she tek yah fi a wotless boops, aye
Repeat Chorus 3x
Verse 4:
Goofy:
Every night she walks right in my dreams (oh no)
Red Rat:
The girl is mine
Goofy:
The girl is mine
Red Rat:
The girl is mine
Goofy:
Um, um, that buffulous girl is mine (only mine)
Red Rat:
Oh no, she's mïne
Aye
-snip-
None of the lyrics for this song that I've found online exactly fit the record's version which has the chorus in between some of the different verses.
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Example #2: Big Man Little Yute-Red Rat ft Goofy
dtm727, Published on Mar 4, 2011
-snip-
Here are some comments from the discussion thread for this sound file, with numbers added for referencing purpose only:
1. RON Aldo the 1st, 2016
"I love this track big up red rat!"
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2. André BM, 2016
"classic! 🔥🔥🔥🔥"
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3. ganja planter, 2016
"mad comments about naseem hamed lol good tune despite him using it funny seeing so many people knowing this just from him though lol"
-snip-
"Mad" here means "a lot of" (many)
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4. high life, 2018
"Who tf is Prince naseem?"
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REPLY
5. dante laufter, 2018
"Really? A famous boxer from 90's. Watch his entrance against Kevin Kelly with this music it's funny as awesome"
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6. Alexandra Green, 2018
"Tune!!!😁😎"
**
7. Joe Hanson, 2018
"One of the best dancehall song ever 🔥🔥🔥🎤"
**
8. grace segirinya, 2019
"This combination was impressive.The two artists are rhyming well.Un like this days where collaborations donot correspond.I remember this high school days when we used to rhyme using this trucks.Big up to my old boys in high school."
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STANDARD ENGLISH MEANING FOR SEVERAL JAMAICAN PATOIS WORDS THAT ARE FOUND IN RED RAT'S SONG "BIG MAN LITTLE YUTE"*
aggo = are going to
bashment - something wicked (positive connotation)
bwoy - boy
choops - light kiss (2) small amount (or toops)
dat = that
dis = this
fi = to (used for expressing direction or motion or direction toward something)
fi = for [?]
gwan = 1. go away or 2. go on
inna = into
maaga= skinny
mek = make
sey = say
tink= think
waan = want
Yute = youth
-snip-
Most of these definitions are from urbandictionary.com. and jamaicanpatois.com. Additions and corrections are welcome.
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Thanks for visiting pancocojams.
Visitor comments are welcome.
This pancocojams post presents information about Jamaica's Dancehall music and information about Dancehall recording star Red Rat (Wallace Wilson).
This post also showcases two sound files of and the lyrics for Red Rat's hit song "Big Man Little Yute".
Selected comments from the discussion thread for one of these sound files are also included in this post.
This post also includes my interpretations in standard English for several Jamaican patois songs that are in Red Rat's song "Big Man Little Yute".
The content of this post is presented for cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to Red Rat (Wallace Wilson) for his musical legacy. Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publisher of these sound files on YouTube.
****
INFORMATION ABOUT DANCEHALL MUSIC
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancehall
"Dancehall is a genre of Jamaican popular music that originated in the late 1970s.[2] Initially, dancehall was a more sparse version of reggae than the roots style, which had dominated much of the 1970s.[3][4] In the mid-1980s, digital instrumentation became more prevalent, changing the sound considerably, with digital dancehall (or "ragga") becoming increasingly characterized by faster rhythms. Key elements of dancehall music include its extensive use of Jamaican Patois rather than Jamaican standard English and a focus on the track instrumentals (or "riddims").
Dancehall saw initial mainstream success in Jamaica in the 1980s, and by the 1990s, it became increasingly popular in Jamaican diaspora communities. In the 2000s, dancehall experienced worldwide mainstream success, and by the 2010s, it began to heavily influence the work of established Western artists and producers, which has helped to further bring the genre into the Western music mainstream.[5][6][7]”...
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INFORMATION ABOUT RED RAT
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Rat
"Wallace Wilson (born 17 January 1978), better known by the stage name Red Rat, is a Jamaican dancehall reggae recording and performing artist.[1] He was born in Saint Ann's Bay, Saint Ann Parish, Jamaica.[1] He is known for his up-beat music, comical style, and signature catch phrase "Oh, No!".
Wilson's father was the guitarist for Byron Lee & the Dragonaires and two of his older brothers were professional musicians before him.[1]
Red Rat's debut album, Oh, No.. It's Red Rat (1997) featured songs such as "Shelly Ann", "Dwayne", "Tight-up Skirt", "Cruise" (featured in the movie The Big Hit), and "Big Man, Little Yute". It became one of the best selling records from Greensleeves Records.”...
****
From http://www.loopjamaica.com/content/where-are-they-now-red-rat-pushing-substance-over-hype Dancehall veteran Red Rat has continued to remain relevant in the music after 21 years.
"These days, he lives overseas in Florida and is currently working hard in the Spanish market not only as a recording artiste, but also as a producer and a writer with his business partner Pascalle. Together, they are the co-owners in the label Infinity Moguls Inc, which is an independent record label based in South Florida."...
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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
Here's an explanation for the word "red" in the stage name "Red Rat":
In the Caribbean the referent "red" refers to a light skinned Black person. The comparable term in the United States is "yellow", although it's not socially acceptable to use that referent for Black Americans. The American term "red bone" has a different meaning than the Caribbean term "red". "Red bone" means a Black person with a reddish tinge to their skin.
****
SHOWCASE EXAMPLES
Example #1: Big Man Little Yute + Lyrics
TeLeVisiN, Published on Jul 2, 2008
A blast from da past.......
-snip-
This song's lyrics are found in the summary of that sound file. However, I prefer the copy of those lyrics from https://www.lyricsofsong.com/lyrics/goofy-big-man-little-youth-lyrics-_om96.html as that site give more information about who is singing which line.
LYRICS: BIG MAN LITTLE YUTE
Intro:
Goofy:
She told me, after she loved me, she'd never love another
Red Rat:
And she told me, she want a splendid first temoulcious lover
Chorus:
Red Rat:
A mi she want, you nah see how mi cute
Goofy:
A big man she want, she nah want nah little yute (oh no)
Red Rat:
A mi she want, look how mi brown and slim
Goofy:
A muscle man she want, dats why mi start go a gym (oh no)
Repeat
Verse 1:
Red Rat:
Aye Goofy,
Mi definitely know sey a mi she a look (bo)
She want di new prince she nah want nah old boops (bo)
Dis little red bwoy nah tell lies,
She tell mi sey yah really wotless fi ya size
Goofy:
Little bwoy,
She nah waan you, cause she nah able (a lie)
For nobaddi sey she a rob di cradle (aye)
Worst of all look how yuh maaga and feeble (aye)
And she sey ya only got a little needle (and a lie you a tell)
Red Rat:
Mi know she woulda love feel di little bwoy energy
Cause from wha day mi notice she penny mi
She sey di guiness and she mash you fi sip it up
Cause she know sey di big bwoys caan keep it up
Goofy:
Bwoy mi nah really know what you a tink
But look fi ya self, if a nah mi she a wink
Look how mi mek she a blush, till she turn pink (suppen inna yah eye)
Now she want mi fi fill up her pen with mi ink (aye cho)
Verse 2:
Red Rat:
Talk to dem now
Goofy:
She nah stop admire, di way mi attire
And mi cologne set her heart on fire
Hear mi out Iyah, mi she desire (aye)
Its best if you retire
Red Rat:
Aye, she sey mi own profile, bashment hairstyle, child
Mek she get wild
Worst she direct, she look inna mi dreary eye, oh my (what yah know)
Goofy:
All you a gwan, she sey you was a saps
So its best if yah cool little Chaps (aye)
Cause she just show yah the ting an yah collapse (check dis out)
Now you ask her fi hold it locka drops (Goofy, aye)
Red Rat:
Ah mi eyes mi use man dem, smile mi use grab dem
Dun talk, we aggo see who got dem
Aye, aye, you a, aye
Verse 3:
Red Rat:
We love fi sey
Goofy :
Tonight we aggo see, a who she want
Red Rat:
Mi feel sey a mi, cause she close to har Aunt
Goofy:
No disrespect but hear mi out brother
Mi gone inna business with her mother
Red Rat:
And mi and her use to play dolly house together
Goofy:
But now she get big, a mi a give her di pleasure
Red Rat:
You only get a choops
Dat mean you is a floops
Go away, she tek yah fi a wotless boops, aye
Repeat Chorus 3x
Verse 4:
Goofy:
Every night she walks right in my dreams (oh no)
Red Rat:
The girl is mine
Goofy:
The girl is mine
Red Rat:
The girl is mine
Goofy:
Um, um, that buffulous girl is mine (only mine)
Red Rat:
Oh no, she's mïne
Aye
-snip-
None of the lyrics for this song that I've found online exactly fit the record's version which has the chorus in between some of the different verses.
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Example #2: Big Man Little Yute-Red Rat ft Goofy
dtm727, Published on Mar 4, 2011
-snip-
Here are some comments from the discussion thread for this sound file, with numbers added for referencing purpose only:
1. RON Aldo the 1st, 2016
"I love this track big up red rat!"
**
2. André BM, 2016
"classic! 🔥🔥🔥🔥"
**
3. ganja planter, 2016
"mad comments about naseem hamed lol good tune despite him using it funny seeing so many people knowing this just from him though lol"
-snip-
"Mad" here means "a lot of" (many)
**
4. high life, 2018
"Who tf is Prince naseem?"
**
REPLY
5. dante laufter, 2018
"Really? A famous boxer from 90's. Watch his entrance against Kevin Kelly with this music it's funny as awesome"
**
6. Alexandra Green, 2018
"Tune!!!😁😎"
**
7. Joe Hanson, 2018
"One of the best dancehall song ever 🔥🔥🔥🎤"
**
8. grace segirinya, 2019
"This combination was impressive.The two artists are rhyming well.Un like this days where collaborations donot correspond.I remember this high school days when we used to rhyme using this trucks.Big up to my old boys in high school."
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STANDARD ENGLISH MEANING FOR SEVERAL JAMAICAN PATOIS WORDS THAT ARE FOUND IN RED RAT'S SONG "BIG MAN LITTLE YUTE"*
aggo = are going to
bashment - something wicked (positive connotation)
bwoy - boy
choops - light kiss (2) small amount (or toops)
dat = that
dis = this
fi = to (used for expressing direction or motion or direction toward something)
fi = for [?]
gwan = 1. go away or 2. go on
inna = into
maaga= skinny
mek = make
sey = say
tink= think
waan = want
Yute = youth
-snip-
Most of these definitions are from urbandictionary.com. and jamaicanpatois.com. Additions and corrections are welcome.
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Tuesday, March 26, 2019
Two Videos Of New Jersey Church Choir March Arounds & A Description Of That Church Custom That I Observed in New Jersey In 2019
Edited by Azizi Powell
Latest revision- Oct. 10, 2021 [description of march around and lyrics to "He Never Failed Me Yet" and "We Have An Anchor"]
This is Part III of a three part pancocojams post about Black church choir "march arounds" during the church service.
Part III showcases two videos of what I refer to as "march arounds" by the choir of First United Tabernacle International Ministries' (Orange, New Jersey). Selected comments from the discussion threads of these two videos are also included in this post. A commenter in one of those discussion threads identified the pastor of that church as being Jamaican.
This post presents information about Jamaicans in the United States and includes a description of a church choir "march around" that I observed in Pleasantville, New Jersey (near Atlantic City) on March 10, 2019.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/five-videos-of-jamaican-church-choirs.html for Part I of this series. Part I showcases several videos of Jamaican church choirs marching around their sanctuary during church service. Selected comments from some of the discussion threads of these videos are also included in this post.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/video-of-black-canadian-church-choir.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. Part II provides some information about Jamaicans in Canada and showcases a video of a Black Canadian church choir marching around the sanctuary during a church service for that church's collection. Selected comments from that video's discussion thread are also included in this post. A number of those comments note that this "march around" style is from Jamaica.
The content of this post is presented for cultural and religious purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to all those who are featured in these videos and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
-snip-
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/black-church-marches-processions-by.html for Part I of a pancocojams series that presents information about possible cultural influences on Black (African American) church usher, nurses, or choir processions. The links to the other posts in that series are found in that post.
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DEFINITION OF CHURCH CHOIRS "MARCH AROUNDS"
"march arounds" -
1. The church choir leaves the choir stand during the offering. They "march" in a single file while singing and continue up the left hand aisle. The choir then continues singing and marching down the center aisle pass two men standing in the front who hold the offering plates. Choir members put their offereing in one of the plates while they continue singing and marching back up to the choir stand. The rest of the congregation is standing singing along with the choir throughout this entire time. Some members of the congregation clap along with the song, hold their arm up. Some choir members and some members of the congregation may show that they are touched by the spirit (get happy, go in). If this occurs with a choir member, the person in back of them helps that person along so that she or he continues moving.
2. All of the above except that when the choir moves down the center aisle, they then move down the aisle on the right hand side and then move down the center aisle. At that point they give their offering and then return to the choir stand.
The church choir may do a march around, in part, as a way of giving their collection. (Based on some YouTube videos) it appears that some church choirs in Jamaica do march arounds apart from collections to demonstrate their praise toward God and, in so doing, increase the presence of the Holy Spirit in that worship service.
Additions and corrections to these descriptions are welcome.
****
DEFINITION OF CHURCH CHOIRS "MARCH INS"
"Church march arounds" differs from "church march ins".
"March ins" - when a church choir or other church group/ministry (such as ushers or nurses) march into the church sanctuary-usually from the center aisle- to mark the beginning of the worship service or special program such as that group/s anniversary or a convention.
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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
In contrast to a number of videos of African American church choirs marching in to the sanctuary to begin the church service, I haven't found any YouTube videos of Jamaican church choirs doing "march ins". If you know of any links to those videos and/or if you know of this custom in Jamaica, please share that information in the comment section below. Thanks!
I also haven't found any online articles about Black church processions (marches), including Jamaican church processions, except those pancocojams blog posts that I've published. If you know of any other links to information or comments on this subject, please share them below. Also, please share your experiences with Black church processions (marches), including when and where you observed or participated in those marches. Thanks!
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SHOWCASE VIDEOS
Video #1: Jesus He Never Failed Me Yet Paise Break
First United Tabernacle International Ministries, Published on Aug 23, 2013
Upper Room Conference 2013
-snip-
Here's what I think the choir and congregation are repeatedly singing:
[Additions and corrections are welcome.]
Here are very similar lyrics to this chorus: https://gospelchoruses.wordpress.com/2014/12/13/he-never-fail-me-yet/
Here are some comments from this video's discussion thread, with number added for referencing purposes only.
1. John Blackwood, 2013
"That man sounds Jamaican... Is he?"
**
REPLY
2. Melissa Fernandez, 2018
"Yes"
-snip-
I think that's very likely that this New Jersey church was founded by Jamaicans and/or that a number of people in the congregation are of Jamaican ancestry.
**
3. cclarke0786, 2013
"Praise Him saints.
The lyrics to this song are????"
**
REPLY
4. Steffi Solomon, 2013
"stumble and fall He never fail me yet, i did what i want He never fail me yet
Jesus He never failed me yet
Jesus He never failed me yet"
**
5. Crystal Chambers, 2014
"this video!!!!!!!.........Pentecostal in Worship, Apostolic in Doctrine"
**
6. ann D, 2016
"Powerful pure worship"
**
7. Gil Miller, 2016
"Bless the Lord. Is it in New Jersey or Canada? I am planning to visit there I'm from london UK."
**
REPLY
8. Rozell Vousden, 2018
"Gil Miller New Jersey"
**
REPLY
9. First United Tabernacle International Ministries, 2018
"We are located at 425 South Jefferson Street, Orange, NJ 07050"
-snip-
Orange, New Jersey is about 24 minutes by car from New York City.
**
10. IamKemi, 2016
"Can someone explain to me why they do that all the time? (choir dancing in the aisle) Is it a custom in their church?"
**
11. Ronin Williams, 2016
"I want to come to New Jersey just to go to this church"
**
12. Miss Harris, 2016
"Phenomenal ....real authentic Pentecostal Worship xx"
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Video #2: We Have An Anchor
First United Tabernacle International Ministries, Published on Nov 26, 2016
31st Pastoral Appreciation Celebration
Nov. 13, 2016
HannahYael, 2018
"It’s wonderful to see people praising GOD"
**
2, WWJD ?, 2018
"Glory to God , nothing like a Holy Ghost party !"
**
3. dgreenja, 2018
"Good old time song"
**
4. Black Love, 2018
"Wonderful. ..old time way of worship"
**
5. Sylvia Hamilton, 2018
"Church like it should be! Praise God."
**
6. suebern330, 2018
"reminds me so much of Spalding New Testament New Church. Holy Ghost Pentecostal, my God I love it"
-snip-
Spalding New Testament New Church is located in Clarendon, Jamaica.
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ADDENDUM #1- SOME INFORMATION ABOUT JAMAICANS IN THE UNITED STATES
From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaican_Americans
"Jamaican Americans are Americans who have full or partial Jamaican ancestry. The largest proportion of Jamaican Americans live in New York City, which has various other Caribbean cultural elements such as food and music. There are also communities of Jamaican Americans residing in Philadelphia, Boston, South Florida, Tampa, Los Angeles, Orlando, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., Atlanta, Cleveland, Western New York, Connecticut, and New Jersey.
Significant immigration waves
Apart from Canada and England, the U.S. houses the majority of Jamaican émigrés worldwide. Jamaican immigration to the U.S. increased during the civil rights era of the 1960s. As with many other sources of Caribbean immigration, the geographical nearness of Jamaica to the U.S. increased the likelihood of migration. The economic attractiveness and general Jamaican perception of the U.S. as a land of opportunity explain continued migration flows despite economic downturn in America. Traditionally, America has experienced increased migration through means of family preference, in which U.S. citizens sponsor their immediate family. Through this category a substantial amount of Jamaican immigrants were able to enter mainly urban cities within the U.S that provided blue-collar work opportunities. Jamaican immigrants utilized employment opportunities despite the discriminatory policies that affected some Caribbean émigrés.[2]
At present, Jamaicans are the largest group of American immigrants from the English-speaking Caribbean. However, it is difficult to verify the exact number of Jamaican Americans in this country because most of them assimilate into the wider black community. The 1990 census placed the total number of documented Jamaican Americans at 435,025.
Settlement
According to the text of Immigrant America (p. 69)[clarification needed], there were 554,897 Jamaican-born people living in the U.S. in 2000. This represents 61% of the approximate 911,000 Americans of Jamaican ancestry. Many Jamaicans are second, third and descend from even older generations, as there have been Jamaicans in the U.S. as early as the early twentieth Century....Large communities of Jamaican immigrants have formed in New York City and the New York Metro Area, which includes Long Island and much of New Jersey and Connecticut, along with Florida (centered in and around the Miami, Tampa, and Orlando areas), which has the second largest Jamaican community in the U.S, and Philadelphia. In recent years, many Jamaicans have left New York City for its suburbs, and large Jamaican communities have also formed in Atlanta, Baltimore, Chicago, Washington D.C., Boston, Cleveland, Buffalo, Rochester, Los Angeles, and Providence.
[...]
U.S. metropolitan areas with largest Jamaican populations
The top 10 U.S. metropolitan areas with the largest populations of Jamaicans (Source: 2012 American Community Survey 1-Year Estimates)[6]
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA-CT MSA – 353,770
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL MSA – 178,791
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA MSA – 55,422
Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL MSA – 32,754
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV MSA – 30,469
Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT MSA – 25,732
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD MSA – 23,861
Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL MSA – 20,621
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT MSA – 13,997
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH MSA – 13,063"....
-snip-
As an aside, while I don't have any Jamaican ancestry, my maternal grandparents were Caribbean emigrants to Southern New Jersey (Atlantic City) in the late 19th century. My grandfather was originally from Tobago and my grandmother was from Barbados.
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ADDENDUM #2: DESCRIPTION OF A BLACK CHURCH CHOIR MARCH AROUND (CHOIR COLLECTION) THAT I OBSERVED IN NEW JERSEY (MARCH 2019)
Revision June 22, 2019 based on my visit to that church on June 9, 2019
St. Paul AME (African Methodist Episcopal) Church is located in Pleasantville, New Jersey about 14 minutes from Atlantic City, New Jersey. Reverend Lynda T. Rassmann is the pastor of that church.
Latest revision Oct. 14, 2021 - to clarify some points
Description:
In my separate telephone conversation with them, R.E.B. Manning and Charlotte Manning indicated that every Sunday this choir marches in to the sanctuary to begin the church service and marches for collection.
Latest revision- Oct. 10, 2021 [description of march around and lyrics to "He Never Failed Me Yet" and "We Have An Anchor"]
This is Part III of a three part pancocojams post about Black church choir "march arounds" during the church service.
Part III showcases two videos of what I refer to as "march arounds" by the choir of First United Tabernacle International Ministries' (Orange, New Jersey). Selected comments from the discussion threads of these two videos are also included in this post. A commenter in one of those discussion threads identified the pastor of that church as being Jamaican.
This post presents information about Jamaicans in the United States and includes a description of a church choir "march around" that I observed in Pleasantville, New Jersey (near Atlantic City) on March 10, 2019.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/five-videos-of-jamaican-church-choirs.html for Part I of this series. Part I showcases several videos of Jamaican church choirs marching around their sanctuary during church service. Selected comments from some of the discussion threads of these videos are also included in this post.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/video-of-black-canadian-church-choir.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. Part II provides some information about Jamaicans in Canada and showcases a video of a Black Canadian church choir marching around the sanctuary during a church service for that church's collection. Selected comments from that video's discussion thread are also included in this post. A number of those comments note that this "march around" style is from Jamaica.
The content of this post is presented for cultural and religious purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to all those who are featured in these videos and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
-snip-
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/black-church-marches-processions-by.html for Part I of a pancocojams series that presents information about possible cultural influences on Black (African American) church usher, nurses, or choir processions. The links to the other posts in that series are found in that post.
****
DEFINITION OF CHURCH CHOIRS "MARCH AROUNDS"
"march arounds" -
1. The church choir leaves the choir stand during the offering. They "march" in a single file while singing and continue up the left hand aisle. The choir then continues singing and marching down the center aisle pass two men standing in the front who hold the offering plates. Choir members put their offereing in one of the plates while they continue singing and marching back up to the choir stand. The rest of the congregation is standing singing along with the choir throughout this entire time. Some members of the congregation clap along with the song, hold their arm up. Some choir members and some members of the congregation may show that they are touched by the spirit (get happy, go in). If this occurs with a choir member, the person in back of them helps that person along so that she or he continues moving.
2. All of the above except that when the choir moves down the center aisle, they then move down the aisle on the right hand side and then move down the center aisle. At that point they give their offering and then return to the choir stand.
The church choir may do a march around, in part, as a way of giving their collection. (Based on some YouTube videos) it appears that some church choirs in Jamaica do march arounds apart from collections to demonstrate their praise toward God and, in so doing, increase the presence of the Holy Spirit in that worship service.
Additions and corrections to these descriptions are welcome.
****
DEFINITION OF CHURCH CHOIRS "MARCH INS"
"Church march arounds" differs from "church march ins".
"March ins" - when a church choir or other church group/ministry (such as ushers or nurses) march into the church sanctuary-usually from the center aisle- to mark the beginning of the worship service or special program such as that group/s anniversary or a convention.
****
PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
In contrast to a number of videos of African American church choirs marching in to the sanctuary to begin the church service, I haven't found any YouTube videos of Jamaican church choirs doing "march ins". If you know of any links to those videos and/or if you know of this custom in Jamaica, please share that information in the comment section below. Thanks!
I also haven't found any online articles about Black church processions (marches), including Jamaican church processions, except those pancocojams blog posts that I've published. If you know of any other links to information or comments on this subject, please share them below. Also, please share your experiences with Black church processions (marches), including when and where you observed or participated in those marches. Thanks!
****
SHOWCASE VIDEOS
Video #1: Jesus He Never Failed Me Yet Paise Break
First United Tabernacle International Ministries, Published on Aug 23, 2013
Upper Room Conference 2013
-snip-
Here's what I think the choir and congregation are repeatedly singing:
I have a God
Who never failed me yet
I have a God
Who never failed me yet
Jesus he never failed me yet
Jesus He never failed me yet.
[Additions and corrections are welcome.]
Here are very similar lyrics to this chorus: https://gospelchoruses.wordpress.com/2014/12/13/he-never-fail-me-yet/
"He never failed me yet.
He never fail me yet
Jesus Christ never failed me yet*
And everywhere I go
I want the world to know
Jesus Christ never failed me yet.
* This line may be sung as:
Jesus’ blood never failed me yet
or
Jesus’ love never failed me yet"
Here are some comments from this video's discussion thread, with number added for referencing purposes only.
1. John Blackwood, 2013
"That man sounds Jamaican... Is he?"
**
REPLY
2. Melissa Fernandez, 2018
"Yes"
-snip-
I think that's very likely that this New Jersey church was founded by Jamaicans and/or that a number of people in the congregation are of Jamaican ancestry.
**
3. cclarke0786, 2013
"Praise Him saints.
The lyrics to this song are????"
**
REPLY
4. Steffi Solomon, 2013
"stumble and fall He never fail me yet, i did what i want He never fail me yet
Jesus He never failed me yet
Jesus He never failed me yet"
**
5. Crystal Chambers, 2014
"this video!!!!!!!.........Pentecostal in Worship, Apostolic in Doctrine"
**
6. ann D, 2016
"Powerful pure worship"
**
7. Gil Miller, 2016
"Bless the Lord. Is it in New Jersey or Canada? I am planning to visit there I'm from london UK."
**
REPLY
8. Rozell Vousden, 2018
"Gil Miller New Jersey"
**
REPLY
9. First United Tabernacle International Ministries, 2018
"We are located at 425 South Jefferson Street, Orange, NJ 07050"
-snip-
Orange, New Jersey is about 24 minutes by car from New York City.
**
10. IamKemi, 2016
"Can someone explain to me why they do that all the time? (choir dancing in the aisle) Is it a custom in their church?"
**
11. Ronin Williams, 2016
"I want to come to New Jersey just to go to this church"
**
12. Miss Harris, 2016
"Phenomenal ....real authentic Pentecostal Worship xx"
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Video #2: We Have An Anchor
First United Tabernacle International Ministries, Published on Nov 26, 2016
31st Pastoral Appreciation Celebration
Nov. 13, 2016
-snip-
Here's the words that are repeatedly sung by the choir and by the congregation:
"We have an anchor that keeps the soul
steadfast and sure while the billows roll;
fastened to the Rock which cannot move,
grounded firm and deep in the Saviour’s love!
-snip-
This is the refrain (chorus) to the song "Will your anchor hold in the storms of life" that was composed by Priscilla J. Owens, a White American who was born in 1829. Click https://hymnary.org/text/will_your_anchor_hold_in_the_storms_of_l for the lyrics for this complete song.
Here's the words that are repeatedly sung by the choir and by the congregation:
"We have an anchor that keeps the soul
steadfast and sure while the billows roll;
fastened to the Rock which cannot move,
grounded firm and deep in the Saviour’s love!
-snip-
This is the refrain (chorus) to the song "Will your anchor hold in the storms of life" that was composed by Priscilla J. Owens, a White American who was born in 1829. Click https://hymnary.org/text/will_your_anchor_hold_in_the_storms_of_l for the lyrics for this complete song.
HannahYael, 2018
"It’s wonderful to see people praising GOD"
**
2, WWJD ?, 2018
"Glory to God , nothing like a Holy Ghost party !"
**
3. dgreenja, 2018
"Good old time song"
**
4. Black Love, 2018
"Wonderful. ..old time way of worship"
**
5. Sylvia Hamilton, 2018
"Church like it should be! Praise God."
**
6. suebern330, 2018
"reminds me so much of Spalding New Testament New Church. Holy Ghost Pentecostal, my God I love it"
-snip-
Spalding New Testament New Church is located in Clarendon, Jamaica.
****
ADDENDUM #1- SOME INFORMATION ABOUT JAMAICANS IN THE UNITED STATES
From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaican_Americans
"Jamaican Americans are Americans who have full or partial Jamaican ancestry. The largest proportion of Jamaican Americans live in New York City, which has various other Caribbean cultural elements such as food and music. There are also communities of Jamaican Americans residing in Philadelphia, Boston, South Florida, Tampa, Los Angeles, Orlando, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., Atlanta, Cleveland, Western New York, Connecticut, and New Jersey.
Significant immigration waves
Apart from Canada and England, the U.S. houses the majority of Jamaican émigrés worldwide. Jamaican immigration to the U.S. increased during the civil rights era of the 1960s. As with many other sources of Caribbean immigration, the geographical nearness of Jamaica to the U.S. increased the likelihood of migration. The economic attractiveness and general Jamaican perception of the U.S. as a land of opportunity explain continued migration flows despite economic downturn in America. Traditionally, America has experienced increased migration through means of family preference, in which U.S. citizens sponsor their immediate family. Through this category a substantial amount of Jamaican immigrants were able to enter mainly urban cities within the U.S that provided blue-collar work opportunities. Jamaican immigrants utilized employment opportunities despite the discriminatory policies that affected some Caribbean émigrés.[2]
At present, Jamaicans are the largest group of American immigrants from the English-speaking Caribbean. However, it is difficult to verify the exact number of Jamaican Americans in this country because most of them assimilate into the wider black community. The 1990 census placed the total number of documented Jamaican Americans at 435,025.
Settlement
According to the text of Immigrant America (p. 69)[clarification needed], there were 554,897 Jamaican-born people living in the U.S. in 2000. This represents 61% of the approximate 911,000 Americans of Jamaican ancestry. Many Jamaicans are second, third and descend from even older generations, as there have been Jamaicans in the U.S. as early as the early twentieth Century....Large communities of Jamaican immigrants have formed in New York City and the New York Metro Area, which includes Long Island and much of New Jersey and Connecticut, along with Florida (centered in and around the Miami, Tampa, and Orlando areas), which has the second largest Jamaican community in the U.S, and Philadelphia. In recent years, many Jamaicans have left New York City for its suburbs, and large Jamaican communities have also formed in Atlanta, Baltimore, Chicago, Washington D.C., Boston, Cleveland, Buffalo, Rochester, Los Angeles, and Providence.
[...]
U.S. metropolitan areas with largest Jamaican populations
The top 10 U.S. metropolitan areas with the largest populations of Jamaicans (Source: 2012 American Community Survey 1-Year Estimates)[6]
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA-CT MSA – 353,770
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL MSA – 178,791
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA MSA – 55,422
Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL MSA – 32,754
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV MSA – 30,469
Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT MSA – 25,732
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD MSA – 23,861
Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL MSA – 20,621
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT MSA – 13,997
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH MSA – 13,063"....
-snip-
As an aside, while I don't have any Jamaican ancestry, my maternal grandparents were Caribbean emigrants to Southern New Jersey (Atlantic City) in the late 19th century. My grandfather was originally from Tobago and my grandmother was from Barbados.
****
ADDENDUM #2: DESCRIPTION OF A BLACK CHURCH CHOIR MARCH AROUND (CHOIR COLLECTION) THAT I OBSERVED IN NEW JERSEY (MARCH 2019)
Revision June 22, 2019 based on my visit to that church on June 9, 2019
St. Paul AME (African Methodist Episcopal) Church is located in Pleasantville, New Jersey about 14 minutes from Atlantic City, New Jersey. Reverend Lynda T. Rassmann is the pastor of that church.
Latest revision Oct. 14, 2021 - to clarify some points
Description:
These choir collection marches ("march
around") occurred after all those in attendance at that church -starting from
the back pews- stood up and walked in single file to the front of the church
for the main offering. People placed money in one of two gold colored
collection plates that were held by two female ushers standing on either side
of the altar. This was the second collection, the first being the missionary
offering. For that offering, people remained seated and ushers passed a
collection plate to the end of each pew.
After the congregation returned to their seats, the choir marched out of the choir stands in single file from the left and the right while singing the classic Gospel song "Highway To Heaven". The body stance of each choir member was erect, and not the leaning forward with heads down stance and chugging forward movement which was done by the Black Canadian choir from Abiezer Pentecostal Church's collection march as shown in this 2009 YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ5xSuIMfuo.
-snip-
Thanks to my younger brother, Dr. R.E.B Manning, the director of St. Paul AME's choir and his wife Charlotte Manning, who is a member of that choir for confirming my recollections about this collection march. [phone conversations March 24, 2019, and March 26, 2019]. Both R.E.B. and Charlotte used the term "collection march", not the term "march around".
In my separate telephone conversation with them, R.E.B. Manning and Charlotte Manning indicated that every Sunday this choir marches in to the sanctuary to begin the church service and marches for collection.
Charlotte Manning also shared with me that she remembers choirs marching in and choirs marching for collection being customs that were done every Sunday at Baptist churches and at AME churches- including St. Paul AME church- that she attended/attends in Pleasantville, New Jersey since the late 1950s. Charlotte mentioned that there were some people from the West Indies who belonged to those churches, although her family wasn't from there. Charlotte also shared that the pastor of St. Paul AME in Pleasantville had Jamaican roots.
I was raised in Atlantic City, New Jersey (about 15 minutes from Pleasantville) and I don't recall observing any choir march arounds at any church that I attended. This is probably because I usually only attended my own church, particularly on Sunday mornings, and I only remember attending an AME church for a choir competition. I also don't recall ever attending an A.M.E Zion church or a church of any other denomination during my childhood and my teen years. However, I have vivid memories of choir march ins at my church (Union Baptist Temple Church) being done every Sunday (since the mid 1950s). And the choir march in custom is still done at that church to begin the (main) Sunday service (as confirmed by my youngest brother Kenneth Manning in a telephone conversation on March 24, 2019. Kenneth is a member of one of Union Baptist Temple's choir) . Although I didn't ask him that question, I'm sure that my brother R. E.B Manning would also remembers choir march ins at Union Baptist Temple Church in Atlantic City, New Jersey.
I also recall attending an anniversary concert of the Spiral Chorus, the church choir that my mother sang in and observing them march down the center aisle to the choir stand singing "Move Up The King's Highway".
**The St. Paul AME Church choir is under the direction of Dr. R. E. B. Manning who is also the choir's organist. The other musicians who accompanied the choir are Kenneth Moore (pianist & saxophone player), George Thomas, (snare) drummer, and Larry King, tambourine player.
To be clear, the St. Paul AME Church service was much more sedate that the First United Tabernacle International Ministries church service. In contrast to the exuberant expressions by the congregation at First United Tabernacle, the St. Paul's the congregation remained in their seats and didn't appear to express themselves in any way while the choir did their collection march. Also, as somewhat of an aside, notice that females (especially women) at First United Tabernacle wore hats (covered their head which is an old church tradition that I recall at my Baptist church in the 1950s to around the early 1960s). However, I don't recall any female wearing any hat or head covering at St. Paul's AME church.
Disclaimer: This description doesn't necessarily mean that each of St Paul AME Church Choir's collection marches are always done this way or that all march arounds by African American choirs fit this description.
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I also recall attending an anniversary concert of the Spiral Chorus, the church choir that my mother sang in and observing them march down the center aisle to the choir stand singing "Move Up The King's Highway".
**The St. Paul AME Church choir is under the direction of Dr. R. E. B. Manning who is also the choir's organist. The other musicians who accompanied the choir are Kenneth Moore (pianist & saxophone player), George Thomas, (snare) drummer, and Larry King, tambourine player.
To be clear, the St. Paul AME Church service was much more sedate that the First United Tabernacle International Ministries church service. In contrast to the exuberant expressions by the congregation at First United Tabernacle, the St. Paul's the congregation remained in their seats and didn't appear to express themselves in any way while the choir did their collection march. Also, as somewhat of an aside, notice that females (especially women) at First United Tabernacle wore hats (covered their head which is an old church tradition that I recall at my Baptist church in the 1950s to around the early 1960s). However, I don't recall any female wearing any hat or head covering at St. Paul's AME church.
Disclaimer: This description doesn't necessarily mean that each of St Paul AME Church Choir's collection marches are always done this way or that all march arounds by African American choirs fit this description.
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Five Videos Of Jamaican Church Choirs Doing March Arounds During Church Services
Edited by Azizi Powell
This is Part I of a three part pancocojams post about Black church choir "march arounds" during the church service.
Part I of this post showcases five videos of Jamaican church choirs marching around their sanctuary during church service. Selected comments from some of the discussion threads are also included in this post.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/video-of-black-canadian-church-choir.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. Part II provides some information about Jamaicans in Canada and showcases a video of a Black Canadian church choir marching around the sanctuary during a church service for that church's collection. Selected comments from that video's discussion thread are also included in this post. A number of those comments note that this "march around" style is from Jamaica.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/two-videos-of-new-jersey-church-choir.html for Part III of this series. Part III showcases two videos of what I refer to as "march arounds" by the choir of First United Tabernacle International Ministries' (Orange, New Jersey). Selected comments from the discussion threads of these two videos are also included in this post. A commenter in one of those discussion threads identified the pastor of that church as being Jamaican.
That post presents information about Jamaicans in the United States and includes a description of a church choir "march around" that I observed in Pleasantville, New Jersey (near Atlantic City) on March 10, 2019.
The content of this post is presented for cultural and religious purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to all those who are featured in these videos and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
-snip-
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/black-church-marches-processions-by.html for Part I of a pancocojams series that presents information about possible cultural influences on Black (African American) church usher, nurses, or choir processions. The links to the other posts in that series are found in that post.
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DEFINITION OF CHURCH CHOIRS "MARCH AROUNDS"
"march arounds" - when the church choir leave the choir stand during the worship service and circles the sanctuary by moving up and down the aisles in single or double lines
The church choir may do a march around, in part, as a way of giving their collection. (Based on some YouTube videos) it appears that some church choirs in Jamaica do march arounds apart from collections to demonstrate their praise toward God and, in so doing, increase the presence of the Holy Spirit in that worship service.
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DEFINITION OF CHURCH CHOIRS "MARCH INS"
"Church march arounds" differs from "church march ins".
"March ins" - when a church choir or other church group/ministry (such as ushers or nurses) march into the church sanctuary-usually from the center aisle- to mark the beginning of the worship service or special program such as that group/s anniversary or a convention.
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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
In contrast to a number of videos of African American church choirs marching in to the sanctuary to begin the church service, I haven't found any YouTube videos of Jamaican church choirs doing "march ins". If you know of any links to those videos and/or if you know of this custom in Jamaica, please share that information in the comment section below. Thanks!
I also haven't found any online articles about Black church processions (marches), including Jamaican church processions, except those pancocojams blog posts that I've published. If you know of any other links to information or comments on this subject, please share them below. Also, please share your experiences with Black church processions (marches), including when and where you observed or participated in those marches. Thanks!
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SHOWCASE VIDEOS
Video #1. Bethel Born Again Apostolic Church (Hold on Out)
BROTHERTENNYSON, Published on Oct 22, 2010
Bethel Born Again Church of Jesus Christ Apostolic, 3 - 5 Oaklawn Road ,Jamaica The offering is collecting and the Bethel Born Again Mass Choir is singing "Hold on Out"
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Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2012/06/caribbean-church-choir-procession.html for a 2012 pancocojams post that showcased this video. The lyrics to this song are included in that post.
-snip-
Here are some comments from the discussion thread for this video, with numbers added for referencing purposes only:
House of Hung Realness, 2012
"The people who go through the most really know how to praise God. Old folks used to say "I wouldn't have religion that I couldn't feel" That's how you know God is real."
**
2. green3263, 2013
"this is an apostolic church"
**
3. XR3iescort, 2013
"this is great, never seen worship like this before..love it!"
**
4. Janice rose, 2013
"When i want to wake up the holy ghost in me i watch this clip, cant say thanks enough."
**
5. Eleisha Tamiya, 2014
"Holy ghost fire!"
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Video #2: The Best is Yet to Come
Bethelapost Church, Published on Jul 12, 2013
The Voices of the Overcomers (Bethel Born Again, Oakland Road); Bethel Apostolic (Southfield, St. Elizabeth); Emmanuel Apostolic (Lancaster, St. Elizabeth) and Refuge Temple (Myersville, St. Elizabeth) Choirs ministering during the International Conference 2013 of Refuge Temple Ministeries on Tuesday, July 9, 2013
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The "march around" begins around 5:43 to the end of this video.
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Video #3: He roll the sea away- Bethel Born Again Apostolic
Recardo Campbell, Published on Apr 26, 2015
THE ANNOINTED OFFERTORY SONG AT BISHOP CHOYCE CODNER'S FUNERAL
-snip-
Here are some comments from the discussion thread for this video, with numbers added for referencing purposes only:
1. Alethea Wright, 2015
"Keeno camp could you please put up the words to I rather be a old time Christian solider. Thanks I love the song but I can't catch the words"
**
2. Recardo Campbell, 2015
"When Israel out of bondage came,
A sea before them lay;
My Lord reached down His mighty hand,
And rolled the sea away.
Refrain
Then forward still—’tis Jehovah’s will,
Though the billows dash and spray.
With a conq’ring tread we will push ahead;
He’ll roll the sea away.
Before me was a sea of sin,
So great I feared to pray;
My heart’s desire the Savior read,
And rolled the sea away.
Refrain
When sorrows dark, like stormy waves,
Were dashing o’er my way,
Again the Lord in mercy came,
And rolled the sea away.
Refrain
And when I reach the sea of death,
For needed grace I’ll pray;
I know the Lord will quickly come,
And roll the sea away"
**
3. Mysteike, 2015
"God continually bless you Bethel. I love and miss you. Thank you Lord for Bethel. I need to go home for a refreshing."
**
REPLY
4. Jennifer Jones,2019
"I agree with you"
**
5. Don Hendricks, 2018
"Absolutely love this worship, really miss this."
**
6. Jacqueline Fyffe, 2018
"When we speak of bethel we have to speak high as mount bethel which is a high high place thank you lord when muzic hit you you feel no pain."
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Video #4: Christian Warrior/Jubilee Medley
Jamaica Free Baptist Church Four Paths, Published on Jul 20, 2016
Youth Night - Convention 2016
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The march around begins at .55 in this video
-snip-
Here are two comments from the discussion thread for this video, with numbers added for referencing purposes only:
1. SANDY BEACH, 2018
"When I watch Jamaican church services like this I always wonder if they just enjoy the rhythm and dancing or if their minds are totally on the Lord of heaven and singing for his glory and enjoyment."
**
REPLY
2. Miya Henry, 2019
"Trust me they are singing to God because the holy ghost will start move"
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Video #5: Jesus the Sweet Nazarene - Part 1
Jamaica Free Baptist Church Four Paths, Published on Jul 20, 2016
Convention 2016
-snip-
The walk around begins at around 3:13 in this video.
-snip-
Here's a comment from this video's discussion thread:
Roy and Jacqueline, 2019
"Dance and sing and jump for JESUS ♥️💕💝❣️❤️💟💗 glory to GOD 😭😭😭AAAAAAAAAAAMEN 💞😃🕊️✝️"
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Here’s a link to Part III of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQZANWyX7Zshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQZANWyX7Zs I can’t find Part II.
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This concludes Part I of this three part pancocojams series.
Thanks for visiting pancocojams.
Visitor comments are welcome.
This is Part I of a three part pancocojams post about Black church choir "march arounds" during the church service.
Part I of this post showcases five videos of Jamaican church choirs marching around their sanctuary during church service. Selected comments from some of the discussion threads are also included in this post.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/video-of-black-canadian-church-choir.html for Part II of this pancocojams series. Part II provides some information about Jamaicans in Canada and showcases a video of a Black Canadian church choir marching around the sanctuary during a church service for that church's collection. Selected comments from that video's discussion thread are also included in this post. A number of those comments note that this "march around" style is from Jamaica.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/two-videos-of-new-jersey-church-choir.html for Part III of this series. Part III showcases two videos of what I refer to as "march arounds" by the choir of First United Tabernacle International Ministries' (Orange, New Jersey). Selected comments from the discussion threads of these two videos are also included in this post. A commenter in one of those discussion threads identified the pastor of that church as being Jamaican.
That post presents information about Jamaicans in the United States and includes a description of a church choir "march around" that I observed in Pleasantville, New Jersey (near Atlantic City) on March 10, 2019.
The content of this post is presented for cultural and religious purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to all those who are featured in these videos and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
-snip-
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/black-church-marches-processions-by.html for Part I of a pancocojams series that presents information about possible cultural influences on Black (African American) church usher, nurses, or choir processions. The links to the other posts in that series are found in that post.
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DEFINITION OF CHURCH CHOIRS "MARCH AROUNDS"
"march arounds" - when the church choir leave the choir stand during the worship service and circles the sanctuary by moving up and down the aisles in single or double lines
The church choir may do a march around, in part, as a way of giving their collection. (Based on some YouTube videos) it appears that some church choirs in Jamaica do march arounds apart from collections to demonstrate their praise toward God and, in so doing, increase the presence of the Holy Spirit in that worship service.
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DEFINITION OF CHURCH CHOIRS "MARCH INS"
"Church march arounds" differs from "church march ins".
"March ins" - when a church choir or other church group/ministry (such as ushers or nurses) march into the church sanctuary-usually from the center aisle- to mark the beginning of the worship service or special program such as that group/s anniversary or a convention.
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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
In contrast to a number of videos of African American church choirs marching in to the sanctuary to begin the church service, I haven't found any YouTube videos of Jamaican church choirs doing "march ins". If you know of any links to those videos and/or if you know of this custom in Jamaica, please share that information in the comment section below. Thanks!
I also haven't found any online articles about Black church processions (marches), including Jamaican church processions, except those pancocojams blog posts that I've published. If you know of any other links to information or comments on this subject, please share them below. Also, please share your experiences with Black church processions (marches), including when and where you observed or participated in those marches. Thanks!
****
SHOWCASE VIDEOS
Video #1. Bethel Born Again Apostolic Church (Hold on Out)
BROTHERTENNYSON, Published on Oct 22, 2010
Bethel Born Again Church of Jesus Christ Apostolic, 3 - 5 Oaklawn Road ,Jamaica The offering is collecting and the Bethel Born Again Mass Choir is singing "Hold on Out"
-snip-
Click http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2012/06/caribbean-church-choir-procession.html for a 2012 pancocojams post that showcased this video. The lyrics to this song are included in that post.
-snip-
Here are some comments from the discussion thread for this video, with numbers added for referencing purposes only:
House of Hung Realness, 2012
"The people who go through the most really know how to praise God. Old folks used to say "I wouldn't have religion that I couldn't feel" That's how you know God is real."
**
2. green3263, 2013
"this is an apostolic church"
**
3. XR3iescort, 2013
"this is great, never seen worship like this before..love it!"
**
4. Janice rose, 2013
"When i want to wake up the holy ghost in me i watch this clip, cant say thanks enough."
**
5. Eleisha Tamiya, 2014
"Holy ghost fire!"
****
Video #2: The Best is Yet to Come
Bethelapost Church, Published on Jul 12, 2013
The Voices of the Overcomers (Bethel Born Again, Oakland Road); Bethel Apostolic (Southfield, St. Elizabeth); Emmanuel Apostolic (Lancaster, St. Elizabeth) and Refuge Temple (Myersville, St. Elizabeth) Choirs ministering during the International Conference 2013 of Refuge Temple Ministeries on Tuesday, July 9, 2013
-snip-
The "march around" begins around 5:43 to the end of this video.
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Video #3: He roll the sea away- Bethel Born Again Apostolic
Recardo Campbell, Published on Apr 26, 2015
THE ANNOINTED OFFERTORY SONG AT BISHOP CHOYCE CODNER'S FUNERAL
-snip-
Here are some comments from the discussion thread for this video, with numbers added for referencing purposes only:
1. Alethea Wright, 2015
"Keeno camp could you please put up the words to I rather be a old time Christian solider. Thanks I love the song but I can't catch the words"
**
2. Recardo Campbell, 2015
"When Israel out of bondage came,
A sea before them lay;
My Lord reached down His mighty hand,
And rolled the sea away.
Refrain
Then forward still—’tis Jehovah’s will,
Though the billows dash and spray.
With a conq’ring tread we will push ahead;
He’ll roll the sea away.
Before me was a sea of sin,
So great I feared to pray;
My heart’s desire the Savior read,
And rolled the sea away.
Refrain
When sorrows dark, like stormy waves,
Were dashing o’er my way,
Again the Lord in mercy came,
And rolled the sea away.
Refrain
And when I reach the sea of death,
For needed grace I’ll pray;
I know the Lord will quickly come,
And roll the sea away"
**
3. Mysteike, 2015
"God continually bless you Bethel. I love and miss you. Thank you Lord for Bethel. I need to go home for a refreshing."
**
REPLY
4. Jennifer Jones,2019
"I agree with you"
**
5. Don Hendricks, 2018
"Absolutely love this worship, really miss this."
**
6. Jacqueline Fyffe, 2018
"When we speak of bethel we have to speak high as mount bethel which is a high high place thank you lord when muzic hit you you feel no pain."
****
Video #4: Christian Warrior/Jubilee Medley
Jamaica Free Baptist Church Four Paths, Published on Jul 20, 2016
Youth Night - Convention 2016
-snip-
The march around begins at .55 in this video
-snip-
Here are two comments from the discussion thread for this video, with numbers added for referencing purposes only:
1. SANDY BEACH, 2018
"When I watch Jamaican church services like this I always wonder if they just enjoy the rhythm and dancing or if their minds are totally on the Lord of heaven and singing for his glory and enjoyment."
**
REPLY
2. Miya Henry, 2019
"Trust me they are singing to God because the holy ghost will start move"
****
Video #5: Jesus the Sweet Nazarene - Part 1
Jamaica Free Baptist Church Four Paths, Published on Jul 20, 2016
Convention 2016
-snip-
The walk around begins at around 3:13 in this video.
-snip-
Here's a comment from this video's discussion thread:
Roy and Jacqueline, 2019
"Dance and sing and jump for JESUS ♥️💕💝❣️❤️💟💗 glory to GOD 😭😭😭AAAAAAAAAAAMEN 💞😃🕊️✝️"
-snip-
Here’s a link to Part III of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQZANWyX7Zshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQZANWyX7Zs I can’t find Part II.
****
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A Video Of A Black Canadian Church Choir Marching During Church Collection
Edited by Azizi Powell
This is Part II of a three part pancocojams post about Black church choir "march arounds" during the church service.
Part II provides some information about Jamaicans in Canada and showcases a video of a Black Canadian church choir marching around the sanctuary during a church service for that church's collection. Selected comments from that video's discussion thread are also included in this post. A number of those comments note that this "march around" style is from Jamaica.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/five-videos-of-jamaican-church-choirs.html for Part I of this series. Part I showcases several videos of Jamaican church choirs marching around their sanctuary during church service. Selected comments from some of the discussion threads of these videos are also included in this post.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/two-videos-of-new-jersey-church-choir.html for Part III of this series. Part III showcases two videos of what I refer to as "march arounds" by the choir of First United Tabernacle International Ministries' (Orange, New Jersey). Selected comments from the discussion threads of these two videos are also included in this post. A commenter in one of those discussion threads identified the pastor of that church as being Jamaican.
That post presents information about Jamaicans in the United States and includes a description of a church choir "march around" that I observed in Pleasantville, New Jersey (near Atlantic City) on March 10, 2019.
The content of this post is presented for cultural and religious purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to all those who are featured in these videos and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
-snip-
The original version of this post included information about Jamaicans in the United States and my description of a church choir march around that I observed in New Jersey on March 10, 2019. Instead of including that content in this post, I'll publish it in a separate post along with a video of a march around by a New Jersey church choir.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/black-church-marches-processions-by.html for Part I of a pancocojams series that provides information about possible cultural influences on Black (African American) church usher, nurses, or choir processions. The links to the other posts in that series are found in that post.
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DEFINITION OF CHURCH CHOIRS "MARCH AROUNDS"
"march arounds" - when the church choir leave the choir stand during the worship service and circles the sanctuary by moving up and down the aisles in single or double lines
The church choir may do a march around, in part, as a way of giving their collection/offering. (Based on some YouTube videos) it also appears that some church choirs in Jamaica and elsewhere do march arounds as part of a praise break i.e. to demonstrate their praise toward God and, in so doing, increase the presence of the Holy Spirit in that worship service.
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DEFINITION OF CHURCH CHOIRS "MARCH INS"
"Church march arounds" differs from "church march ins".
"March ins" - when a church choir or other church group/ministry (such as ushers or nurses) march into the church sanctuary-usually from the center aisle- to mark the beginning of the worship service or special program such as that group/s anniversary or a convention.
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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
In contrast to a number of videos of African American church choirs marching in to the sanctuary to begin the church service, I haven't found any YouTube videos of Jamaican church choirs doing "march ins". If you know of any links to those videos and/or if you know of this custom in Jamaica, please share that information in the comment section below. Thanks!
I also haven't found any online articles about Black church processions (marches), including Jamaican church processions, except those pancocojams blog posts that I've published. If you know of any other links to information or comments on this subject, please share them below. Also, please share your experiences with Black church processions (marches), including when and where you observed or participated in those marches. Thanks!
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INFORMATION ABOUT JAMAICANS IN CANADA
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaican_Canadians
"Jamaican Canadians are Canadian citizens of Jamaican descent or Jamaican-born permanent residents of Canada. The population, according to Canada's 2016 Census, is 309,485.[1] Jamaican Canadians comprise about 30% of the entire Black Canadian population.[2][3]
History
Most Jamaicans who arrive in Canada settle in the census metropolitan areas of Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, and Hamilton. The total number of Jamaicans in Canada has increased dramatically since the 1960s,[4] and the reasons for coming are also different. Currently, Jamaicans can be found in every major Canadian city and occupy a multitude of occupations!
Origins
The first Jamaicans who moved to Canada were West Indian slaves imported into New France and Nova Scotia individually and in small numbers. In 1796, the Maroons of Jamaica entered Halifax and were the first large group to enter British North America (The Canadian Encyclopedia, 2000). The name Maroons was used to describe slaves who ran away from their owners and created free communities away from the European settlements in Jamaica. A war between the Maroons and the British broke out on the island of Jamaica in 1795. The war ended when the British, realizing that they could not win, tricked the Maroons into laying down their arms and then carried them into exile in Nova Scotia (James & Walker, 1984).
Governor John Wentworth settled the Maroons who numbered over 500 on the outskirts of Halifax and offered the men jobs to fortify the Citadel. Standing proud and still holding on to the memory of being betrayed by the British, the Maroons mounted a strong resistance and refused to be compliant Nova Scotian settlers. After numerous appeals to London, the Maroons were allowed to return to Sierra Leone in West Africa in 1800. The "Maroon Bastion" stands on Citadel Hill as an example of their legacy and the sense of pride they contributed (James & Walker, 1984).
Between 1800 and 1920, small numbers of West Indians were brought from Jamaica as labourers for the Cape Breton mines and from Barbados to work in coal mines in Sydney and Nova Scotia. Migration from the West Indies almost virtually stopped after 1920. As a result, the West Indian population in 1941 was smaller than it was 20 years earlier. Even though pressure for migration in the West Indies mounted, the Canadian government refused to allow any more non-whites into the country (James & Walker, 1984) (James & Walker, 1984)...
Agnes Macdonald, the second wife of the first Prime Minister of Canada, John A. Macdonald, was born in Jamaica. Her brother, Hewitt Bernard, was the recording secretary at the Charlottetown Conference in 1864. After Confederation, Bernard served as the private secretary to the Prime Minister between 1867 and 1873.
Michael Manley, the future Prime Minister of Jamaica, served in the Royal Canadian Air Force during World War II.
After World War II, a great demand for unskilled workers resulted in the National Act of 1948. This Act was designed to attract cheap labourers from British colonies. This resulted in many West Indians, (including Jamaicans) coming to Canada. The Jamaicans who entered Canada after World War II did so because they still believed it was an opportunity to escape poverty and seek a new start in a world where personal advancement and success seemed to be encouraged. Wanting to stop the in-flow of black West Indians, the Walter Act of 1952 was passed to impose a "severely restricted quota" on black West Indians entering the country (James & Walker, 1984).
In 1955, Canada introduced the West Domestic Scheme (Anderson, 1993). This Scheme allowed eligible black women who were between the age of 18 to 35, in good health, no family ties and a minimum of a grade eight education from mainly Jamaica and Barbados to enter Canada (James & Walker, 1984). After one year as a domestic servant, these women were given a landed immigrant status and were able to apply for citizenship after five years. Even though the Scheme originally allowed only 100 women per year, 2,690 women entered Canada from Jamaica and Barbados by 1965. In 1962, racial discrimination was taken out of the Canadian Immigration Act and the number of Jamaicans who moved to Canada dramatically increased (Lazar & Dauglas, 1992).
After the 1960s
Because changes in the Immigration Act allowed non-whites to enter Canada without restrictions, many Jamaicans took advantage of the opportunity and entered Canada with the hopes of achieving their goals for a better life. After the purging of many racist immigration policies, a large number of Jamaicans started to enter Canada as tourists and many would later apply independently for landed immigrant status (Anderson, 1993). In the late 1960s, the Canadian government instituted the Family Reunification clause into its immigration policy, which made it even easier for Jamaicans and other groups to bring their loved ones to join them in Canada (Anderson, 1993). Thus, during the 1970s and '80s, many Jamaicans who entered Canada were children and husbands of the Jamaican women who moved to Canada between 1955 and 1965. According to Anderson (1993), Caribbean immigrants to Canada were more likely to settle in large cities and their provinces of choice were Ontario and Quebec. The largest concentration of Jamaican immigrants can be found in the following areas of Greater Toronto: Scarborough, Old Toronto, North York, York, Ajax, Pickering, Mississauga, and Brampton. Other cities include Montreal, Edmonton, Vancouver, Winnipeg, Kitchener, Waterloo, Windsor, and Halifax (The Canadian Encyclopedia, 2000).
In 1989, 86.7% of Jamaican immigrants settled in Ontario, 7.4% settled in Quebec, 2.6% settled in Alberta, 1.7% settled in Manitoba, 1.1% settled in British Columbia and 0.6% settled in the rest of Canada. Jamaicans made up 27.5% of the total number of West Indian immigrants for that year (Anderson, 1993). Because of language concerns, most of the West Indian immigrants settle in Ontario as opposed to Quebec.
Demography
Sources:[5][2][6][7][1]
Jamaica by far has been the major source of West Indian immigration to Canada since West Indians were allowed in Canada. Between 1974 and 1989, 35.7% of all West Indian immigration to Canada came from Jamaica. Nevertheless, there was a decline during the early '80s, a recovery during 1986 and a decline again by 1989 (Anderson, 1993). According to the Canadian Encyclopedia, Jamaicans made up 40% of West Indian immigration in the early 1990s.
In a 1996 overview from Immigration Canada, Jamaica was ranked eighth in terms of the number of its citizens immigrating to Canada. Jamaica is preceded by countries such as China, Pakistan, and the Philippines in the number of its citizens that migrate to Canada. The number of Jamaicans immigrating to Canada declined in 1997 and again in 1998. Jamaican immigration to Canada is at an all-time low; it was ranked number 10 by Immigration Canada in 2000.
In 2006, 79,850 Jamaicans lived in the City of Toronto, and 30,705 lived in the Toronto suburb of Brampton.[8][9]
[...]
Population
According to the 2006 Census, 231,110 Canadians identified themselves as Jamaican Canadian.[2] The actual number of Jamaican Canadians should be larger, given that many people identified themselves as "Black" "West Indian", or "Caribbean".[2] In the 2011 Census, 256,915 Jamaican Canadians were counted, comprising an 11.2% increase since the previous census.[5] A total population of 309,485 was tallied in the 2016 Census, an increase of 20.5%.[1]"...
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SHOWCASE VIDEO OF A BLACK CANADIAN CHOIR MARCH AROUND
Offering time @ Abiezer (View the choir in action)
1baw2009, Published on Apr 13, 2009
Abiezer Pentecostal Church: 96 Milvan Drive Toronto, Canada--It's offering time @ Abiezer (This is how we do it every Sunday.)
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Although there are other YouTube videos of Abiezer Pentecostal Church choir online, this is the only video of that choir marching. This also is the only YouTube video that I've found of Black Canadian choirs marching. I've also not found any YouTube videos of African American church choirs, ushers, or nurses marching around (i.e. engaged in a church processional other than marching in to the sanctuary to begin a church service, church/group anniversary service.
I don't know if Abiezer Pentecostal Church had or has a significant number of Jamaicans in their congregation. Based on the videos that I've watched of some Jamaican church march arounds (some of which are showcased in Part II of this pancocojams series), and based on some of the comments featured below, it seems likely that this choir march around custom at Abiezer was influenced by some of the congregation being of Jamaican descent.
Note that it wasn't just choir members who were marching in this video. At the end of this video, some women in white who are likely church ushers or church nurses march in single file behind the choir.
Description of this march: The Canadian marchers have a set, resolved look on their face that conveys strength and determination. The facial expressions of the Jamaican marchers (in videos showcased in Part II of this series) are more diverse as some of those marchers appear to be experiencing the exultation of feeling the Holy Spirit.
The Black Canadian choir perform a forceful, aggressive style of marching in place and moving forward. This body stance reminds me of jogging or performing a chugging style of dance. As noted by several commenters in this video's discussion thread, this is the same or very similar to the marching style of Jamaican choirs as shown in various YouTube videos. In contrast, during choir march ins that I've observed in New Jersey (since the 1950s), in contrast to the collection march that I observed in New Jersey in March 2019 (described below in Addendum #2), and in contrast to the YouTube videos of African American church choir march ins, African American church march ins during Sunday church services have a less forceful style of marching. During those marches, the body is held erect, and the head is held up.
The Jamaican influence of Toronto, Canada's Abiezer Pentecostal Church choir is also evidenced by the fact that they are marching to two Jamaican Gospel songs.
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Click the link provided above for information about possible influences on how and comments about why Black church marches were done and are still done in some African American churches.
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Here are some comments from the discussion thread for this video, with numbers added for referencing purposes only:
1. FaithfulKweenBhee🐝, 2009
"Love it....and the two girls in the front of the choir line...Lord yall better march!"
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2. IsaiahRaymondDyer09, 2009
"OH YES MARCH & RIDE ZION! MARCH & RIDE! I LOVE this!!! GLORYYYYYYYYYYY!!"
**
3. 1baw2009, 2009
"I don't know if there is a defined theory behind this (marching at offering time). I need to think about it.
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This comment was probably written in response to a question about the reason for marching at offering time, although I can't find that question in that discussion thread
**
4. TO ON, 2009
"the spirit of God reigns. a church that engages its people is a church that truly challenges every fiber of ones belief. praises is one such example. kudos to the choir."
**
5. 1baw2009, 2009
"Chorus: 1
Dont you hear the bells are ringing?
Dont you hear the angels singing?
Its the glory, hallelujah, jubilee.
In the land of sweet forever, just beyond the shining river, they will ring the golden bells for you and me.
Chorus: 2
Im riding with Jesus, on the Alleluia Train
Im singing, Im shouting on the Alleluia Train
And when I reach the station, Heaven is my destination
Im riding with Jesus, on the Alleluia Train"
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These are the lyrics for the medley of two songs that the choir sung and marched to: "Ring Them Golden Bells" and "Riding With Jesus" (also known as "On The Hallelujah Train")
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6. jchotboy, 2010
"The two girls in the front of the choir takes the cake for me such great worshippers.. Continue to bless the lord in your worship"
**
7. antonette holder, 2010
"Y'all got me dancing at work! This is my type of worship!"
**
8. eldergunter80, 2010
"I LOVE THIS!!!! KEEP ON PRAISING HIM ABIEZER"
**
9. limitedtasks, 2010
"This is off the chain " OFFERING TIME " usually you see people running the other way ( out the door ) We can't touch this, go ahead and STOMP ALL OVER THE DEVILS HEAD!!!!!!Buffalo, New York"
**
10. lovejones238, 2010
"I must say I was like why am I watching this over & over then finally realized, I began to feel this just like the saints on the video were, as we say where I'm from, "they began to feel it" and so did I ..great post...I love the energy."
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11. musu480, 2010
"BLESSING A RUN DE CHOIR DUNG!!!!"
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I think a standard English translation for this Jamaican patois is "Blessings run down on this choir".
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12. Marshalee Ricketts, 2010
"bLESS THE LORD AM RIDING WIT JESUS AN THE HALALUJAH TRAIN,THANK YOU JESUS HEAVEN WILL BE MY DESTINATION. THIS WHAT REALLY WORSHIP IS"
**
13. mitzie samuels, 2011
"This is wonderful worshiping. Yes Lord"
**
14. NYCsistahofvirtue, 2011
"march march march saints unward christian soldiers!"
**
15. John Blackwood, 2011
"This church must be Jamaican background!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I could hear the bass player a little bit more thou! If I go to Canada.. I must find this church , where ever y'all are. GOD BLESS THIS CHURCH! AND THE CHOIR!!!!!!!"
**
16. Sherice Tomlin, 2011
"This is my Favorite...Imma do this at my church this year. You guys are the bomb. "
**
17. Trey Cox, 2011
"I remember coming to Abiezer as a child and seeing the choir do this same march around! Simply Awesome, glory to God, and i love the songs, the choir rock is classic! Go Ahead!!!"
**
18. Alma Tyler, 2011
"On the hallelujah train. Lovin' them sisters hats. God Bless this church. i am going to have to visit soon."
**
19. Tonya Anderson, 2011
"This is what church is all about... giving GOD your all!!! I was truly blessed by this video."
**
20. Tiffi, 2012
"I feel the Jamaican in this church"
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REPLY
21. MJQ7688, 2013
"I was just thinking that about this church being Jamaican! They got DOWN!"
**
22. Mo W, 2012
"Its obvious that this church is jamaican .. The TRAIN!!!!!!!! HALELLUJAH TRAIN iM RUNNING JESUS ON THE HALELLUJAH TRAIN !!!!!"
**
23. desmarie spence, 2012
"This is how we do it in Holiness Born Again in Jamaica."
**
24. lilmadea07, 2012
"This is what you call praise. What is the name of this song?"
**
25. desmarie spence, 2012
"1.When they ring the golden bells- The Pentecostal Hymnal #141 2. Riding with Jesus"
**
26. Sashagaye mannings, 2013
"i have never seen such a march i loooooooveeeeeee it"
-snip-
As an aside, I just noticed that this commenter has part of my maiden name (Manning)!
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27. Margaret Mcpherson, 2015
"these saints just know how to trample on them serpents and demons, the action is so important keep on fighting and trampling them forces
**
28. ddoddy76, 2015
"ok no offense .....but what was the point?"
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REPLY
29. Miya Henry, 2016
"They make it seems they are marching into heaven... must pentecostal church do this to have a mind set of how they will be like in heaven. I don't know if I'm right but it's my idea"
**
REPLY
30. Maubaki Wilson, 2016
"Hey Ms.Henry you are 100% correct..the act of them physically marching signifies unity and strength in Jesus' name. The way they marched with such precision and power was the anointing of God on them. People don't always have to run around and speak in tongues lol..you can concentrate that power into something else"
**
31. Kemo Clarke, 2016
"i love it soilder of jesus christ halleluia"
**
32. KRISSY MCINTOSH, 2016
"This church reminds me of my church, keep praising God. Im talking about Bethel Born Again Apostolic on Oakland Road in Jamaica, thats how we worship on a Sunday morning. Love u Pastor Yvonne Codner and Bishop Barracks"
**
33. Vito Motola, 2017
"giving a offering is a type of worship to Jesus."
**
34. Lisa Jackson, 2018
"What happened to church..."
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REPLY
35. Jessica Woods, 2018
"Lisa Jackson Nothing... Listen to the music it's Jamaican. African churches also worship in a similar manner. I think Black Americans would do close to the same if we didn't integrated."
**
36. ItsKayTho, 2018
"I remember a church I attended, the whole choir would come down circle the church, turn around and go back up the offering aisle. & they took their time too! I love this choir’s energy"
**
37. Neecy Watson, 2018
"A Holy Ghost work out!!!!!!!!❤️"
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This concludes Part II of this three part pancocojams series.
Thanks for visiting pancocojams.
Visitor comments are welcome.
This is Part II of a three part pancocojams post about Black church choir "march arounds" during the church service.
Part II provides some information about Jamaicans in Canada and showcases a video of a Black Canadian church choir marching around the sanctuary during a church service for that church's collection. Selected comments from that video's discussion thread are also included in this post. A number of those comments note that this "march around" style is from Jamaica.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/five-videos-of-jamaican-church-choirs.html for Part I of this series. Part I showcases several videos of Jamaican church choirs marching around their sanctuary during church service. Selected comments from some of the discussion threads of these videos are also included in this post.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/two-videos-of-new-jersey-church-choir.html for Part III of this series. Part III showcases two videos of what I refer to as "march arounds" by the choir of First United Tabernacle International Ministries' (Orange, New Jersey). Selected comments from the discussion threads of these two videos are also included in this post. A commenter in one of those discussion threads identified the pastor of that church as being Jamaican.
That post presents information about Jamaicans in the United States and includes a description of a church choir "march around" that I observed in Pleasantville, New Jersey (near Atlantic City) on March 10, 2019.
The content of this post is presented for cultural and religious purposes.
All copyrights remain with their owners.
Thanks to all those who are featured in these videos and thanks to all those who are quoted in this post. Thanks also to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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The original version of this post included information about Jamaicans in the United States and my description of a church choir march around that I observed in New Jersey on March 10, 2019. Instead of including that content in this post, I'll publish it in a separate post along with a video of a march around by a New Jersey church choir.
Click https://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2019/03/black-church-marches-processions-by.html for Part I of a pancocojams series that provides information about possible cultural influences on Black (African American) church usher, nurses, or choir processions. The links to the other posts in that series are found in that post.
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DEFINITION OF CHURCH CHOIRS "MARCH AROUNDS"
"march arounds" - when the church choir leave the choir stand during the worship service and circles the sanctuary by moving up and down the aisles in single or double lines
The church choir may do a march around, in part, as a way of giving their collection/offering. (Based on some YouTube videos) it also appears that some church choirs in Jamaica and elsewhere do march arounds as part of a praise break i.e. to demonstrate their praise toward God and, in so doing, increase the presence of the Holy Spirit in that worship service.
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DEFINITION OF CHURCH CHOIRS "MARCH INS"
"Church march arounds" differs from "church march ins".
"March ins" - when a church choir or other church group/ministry (such as ushers or nurses) march into the church sanctuary-usually from the center aisle- to mark the beginning of the worship service or special program such as that group/s anniversary or a convention.
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PANCOCOJAMS EDITOR'S NOTE
In contrast to a number of videos of African American church choirs marching in to the sanctuary to begin the church service, I haven't found any YouTube videos of Jamaican church choirs doing "march ins". If you know of any links to those videos and/or if you know of this custom in Jamaica, please share that information in the comment section below. Thanks!
I also haven't found any online articles about Black church processions (marches), including Jamaican church processions, except those pancocojams blog posts that I've published. If you know of any other links to information or comments on this subject, please share them below. Also, please share your experiences with Black church processions (marches), including when and where you observed or participated in those marches. Thanks!
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INFORMATION ABOUT JAMAICANS IN CANADA
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaican_Canadians
"Jamaican Canadians are Canadian citizens of Jamaican descent or Jamaican-born permanent residents of Canada. The population, according to Canada's 2016 Census, is 309,485.[1] Jamaican Canadians comprise about 30% of the entire Black Canadian population.[2][3]
History
Most Jamaicans who arrive in Canada settle in the census metropolitan areas of Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, and Hamilton. The total number of Jamaicans in Canada has increased dramatically since the 1960s,[4] and the reasons for coming are also different. Currently, Jamaicans can be found in every major Canadian city and occupy a multitude of occupations!
Origins
The first Jamaicans who moved to Canada were West Indian slaves imported into New France and Nova Scotia individually and in small numbers. In 1796, the Maroons of Jamaica entered Halifax and were the first large group to enter British North America (The Canadian Encyclopedia, 2000). The name Maroons was used to describe slaves who ran away from their owners and created free communities away from the European settlements in Jamaica. A war between the Maroons and the British broke out on the island of Jamaica in 1795. The war ended when the British, realizing that they could not win, tricked the Maroons into laying down their arms and then carried them into exile in Nova Scotia (James & Walker, 1984).
Governor John Wentworth settled the Maroons who numbered over 500 on the outskirts of Halifax and offered the men jobs to fortify the Citadel. Standing proud and still holding on to the memory of being betrayed by the British, the Maroons mounted a strong resistance and refused to be compliant Nova Scotian settlers. After numerous appeals to London, the Maroons were allowed to return to Sierra Leone in West Africa in 1800. The "Maroon Bastion" stands on Citadel Hill as an example of their legacy and the sense of pride they contributed (James & Walker, 1984).
Between 1800 and 1920, small numbers of West Indians were brought from Jamaica as labourers for the Cape Breton mines and from Barbados to work in coal mines in Sydney and Nova Scotia. Migration from the West Indies almost virtually stopped after 1920. As a result, the West Indian population in 1941 was smaller than it was 20 years earlier. Even though pressure for migration in the West Indies mounted, the Canadian government refused to allow any more non-whites into the country (James & Walker, 1984) (James & Walker, 1984)...
Agnes Macdonald, the second wife of the first Prime Minister of Canada, John A. Macdonald, was born in Jamaica. Her brother, Hewitt Bernard, was the recording secretary at the Charlottetown Conference in 1864. After Confederation, Bernard served as the private secretary to the Prime Minister between 1867 and 1873.
Michael Manley, the future Prime Minister of Jamaica, served in the Royal Canadian Air Force during World War II.
After World War II, a great demand for unskilled workers resulted in the National Act of 1948. This Act was designed to attract cheap labourers from British colonies. This resulted in many West Indians, (including Jamaicans) coming to Canada. The Jamaicans who entered Canada after World War II did so because they still believed it was an opportunity to escape poverty and seek a new start in a world where personal advancement and success seemed to be encouraged. Wanting to stop the in-flow of black West Indians, the Walter Act of 1952 was passed to impose a "severely restricted quota" on black West Indians entering the country (James & Walker, 1984).
In 1955, Canada introduced the West Domestic Scheme (Anderson, 1993). This Scheme allowed eligible black women who were between the age of 18 to 35, in good health, no family ties and a minimum of a grade eight education from mainly Jamaica and Barbados to enter Canada (James & Walker, 1984). After one year as a domestic servant, these women were given a landed immigrant status and were able to apply for citizenship after five years. Even though the Scheme originally allowed only 100 women per year, 2,690 women entered Canada from Jamaica and Barbados by 1965. In 1962, racial discrimination was taken out of the Canadian Immigration Act and the number of Jamaicans who moved to Canada dramatically increased (Lazar & Dauglas, 1992).
After the 1960s
Because changes in the Immigration Act allowed non-whites to enter Canada without restrictions, many Jamaicans took advantage of the opportunity and entered Canada with the hopes of achieving their goals for a better life. After the purging of many racist immigration policies, a large number of Jamaicans started to enter Canada as tourists and many would later apply independently for landed immigrant status (Anderson, 1993). In the late 1960s, the Canadian government instituted the Family Reunification clause into its immigration policy, which made it even easier for Jamaicans and other groups to bring their loved ones to join them in Canada (Anderson, 1993). Thus, during the 1970s and '80s, many Jamaicans who entered Canada were children and husbands of the Jamaican women who moved to Canada between 1955 and 1965. According to Anderson (1993), Caribbean immigrants to Canada were more likely to settle in large cities and their provinces of choice were Ontario and Quebec. The largest concentration of Jamaican immigrants can be found in the following areas of Greater Toronto: Scarborough, Old Toronto, North York, York, Ajax, Pickering, Mississauga, and Brampton. Other cities include Montreal, Edmonton, Vancouver, Winnipeg, Kitchener, Waterloo, Windsor, and Halifax (The Canadian Encyclopedia, 2000).
In 1989, 86.7% of Jamaican immigrants settled in Ontario, 7.4% settled in Quebec, 2.6% settled in Alberta, 1.7% settled in Manitoba, 1.1% settled in British Columbia and 0.6% settled in the rest of Canada. Jamaicans made up 27.5% of the total number of West Indian immigrants for that year (Anderson, 1993). Because of language concerns, most of the West Indian immigrants settle in Ontario as opposed to Quebec.
Demography
Sources:[5][2][6][7][1]
Jamaica by far has been the major source of West Indian immigration to Canada since West Indians were allowed in Canada. Between 1974 and 1989, 35.7% of all West Indian immigration to Canada came from Jamaica. Nevertheless, there was a decline during the early '80s, a recovery during 1986 and a decline again by 1989 (Anderson, 1993). According to the Canadian Encyclopedia, Jamaicans made up 40% of West Indian immigration in the early 1990s.
In a 1996 overview from Immigration Canada, Jamaica was ranked eighth in terms of the number of its citizens immigrating to Canada. Jamaica is preceded by countries such as China, Pakistan, and the Philippines in the number of its citizens that migrate to Canada. The number of Jamaicans immigrating to Canada declined in 1997 and again in 1998. Jamaican immigration to Canada is at an all-time low; it was ranked number 10 by Immigration Canada in 2000.
In 2006, 79,850 Jamaicans lived in the City of Toronto, and 30,705 lived in the Toronto suburb of Brampton.[8][9]
[...]
Population
According to the 2006 Census, 231,110 Canadians identified themselves as Jamaican Canadian.[2] The actual number of Jamaican Canadians should be larger, given that many people identified themselves as "Black" "West Indian", or "Caribbean".[2] In the 2011 Census, 256,915 Jamaican Canadians were counted, comprising an 11.2% increase since the previous census.[5] A total population of 309,485 was tallied in the 2016 Census, an increase of 20.5%.[1]"...
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SHOWCASE VIDEO OF A BLACK CANADIAN CHOIR MARCH AROUND
Offering time @ Abiezer (View the choir in action)
1baw2009, Published on Apr 13, 2009
Abiezer Pentecostal Church: 96 Milvan Drive Toronto, Canada--It's offering time @ Abiezer (This is how we do it every Sunday.)
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Although there are other YouTube videos of Abiezer Pentecostal Church choir online, this is the only video of that choir marching. This also is the only YouTube video that I've found of Black Canadian choirs marching. I've also not found any YouTube videos of African American church choirs, ushers, or nurses marching around (i.e. engaged in a church processional other than marching in to the sanctuary to begin a church service, church/group anniversary service.
I don't know if Abiezer Pentecostal Church had or has a significant number of Jamaicans in their congregation. Based on the videos that I've watched of some Jamaican church march arounds (some of which are showcased in Part II of this pancocojams series), and based on some of the comments featured below, it seems likely that this choir march around custom at Abiezer was influenced by some of the congregation being of Jamaican descent.
Note that it wasn't just choir members who were marching in this video. At the end of this video, some women in white who are likely church ushers or church nurses march in single file behind the choir.
Description of this march: The Canadian marchers have a set, resolved look on their face that conveys strength and determination. The facial expressions of the Jamaican marchers (in videos showcased in Part II of this series) are more diverse as some of those marchers appear to be experiencing the exultation of feeling the Holy Spirit.
The Black Canadian choir perform a forceful, aggressive style of marching in place and moving forward. This body stance reminds me of jogging or performing a chugging style of dance. As noted by several commenters in this video's discussion thread, this is the same or very similar to the marching style of Jamaican choirs as shown in various YouTube videos. In contrast, during choir march ins that I've observed in New Jersey (since the 1950s), in contrast to the collection march that I observed in New Jersey in March 2019 (described below in Addendum #2), and in contrast to the YouTube videos of African American church choir march ins, African American church march ins during Sunday church services have a less forceful style of marching. During those marches, the body is held erect, and the head is held up.
The Jamaican influence of Toronto, Canada's Abiezer Pentecostal Church choir is also evidenced by the fact that they are marching to two Jamaican Gospel songs.
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Click the link provided above for information about possible influences on how and comments about why Black church marches were done and are still done in some African American churches.
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Here are some comments from the discussion thread for this video, with numbers added for referencing purposes only:
1. FaithfulKweenBhee🐝, 2009
"Love it....and the two girls in the front of the choir line...Lord yall better march!"
**
2. IsaiahRaymondDyer09, 2009
"OH YES MARCH & RIDE ZION! MARCH & RIDE! I LOVE this!!! GLORYYYYYYYYYYY!!"
**
3. 1baw2009, 2009
"I don't know if there is a defined theory behind this (marching at offering time). I need to think about it.
-snip-
This comment was probably written in response to a question about the reason for marching at offering time, although I can't find that question in that discussion thread
**
4. TO ON, 2009
"the spirit of God reigns. a church that engages its people is a church that truly challenges every fiber of ones belief. praises is one such example. kudos to the choir."
**
5. 1baw2009, 2009
"Chorus: 1
Dont you hear the bells are ringing?
Dont you hear the angels singing?
Its the glory, hallelujah, jubilee.
In the land of sweet forever, just beyond the shining river, they will ring the golden bells for you and me.
Chorus: 2
Im riding with Jesus, on the Alleluia Train
Im singing, Im shouting on the Alleluia Train
And when I reach the station, Heaven is my destination
Im riding with Jesus, on the Alleluia Train"
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These are the lyrics for the medley of two songs that the choir sung and marched to: "Ring Them Golden Bells" and "Riding With Jesus" (also known as "On The Hallelujah Train")
**
6. jchotboy, 2010
"The two girls in the front of the choir takes the cake for me such great worshippers.. Continue to bless the lord in your worship"
**
7. antonette holder, 2010
"Y'all got me dancing at work! This is my type of worship!"
**
8. eldergunter80, 2010
"I LOVE THIS!!!! KEEP ON PRAISING HIM ABIEZER"
**
9. limitedtasks, 2010
"This is off the chain " OFFERING TIME " usually you see people running the other way ( out the door ) We can't touch this, go ahead and STOMP ALL OVER THE DEVILS HEAD!!!!!!Buffalo, New York"
**
10. lovejones238, 2010
"I must say I was like why am I watching this over & over then finally realized, I began to feel this just like the saints on the video were, as we say where I'm from, "they began to feel it" and so did I ..great post...I love the energy."
**
11. musu480, 2010
"BLESSING A RUN DE CHOIR DUNG!!!!"
-snip-
I think a standard English translation for this Jamaican patois is "Blessings run down on this choir".
**
12. Marshalee Ricketts, 2010
"bLESS THE LORD AM RIDING WIT JESUS AN THE HALALUJAH TRAIN,THANK YOU JESUS HEAVEN WILL BE MY DESTINATION. THIS WHAT REALLY WORSHIP IS"
**
13. mitzie samuels, 2011
"This is wonderful worshiping. Yes Lord"
**
14. NYCsistahofvirtue, 2011
"march march march saints unward christian soldiers!"
**
15. John Blackwood, 2011
"This church must be Jamaican background!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I could hear the bass player a little bit more thou! If I go to Canada.. I must find this church , where ever y'all are. GOD BLESS THIS CHURCH! AND THE CHOIR!!!!!!!"
**
16. Sherice Tomlin, 2011
"This is my Favorite...Imma do this at my church this year. You guys are the bomb. "
**
17. Trey Cox, 2011
"I remember coming to Abiezer as a child and seeing the choir do this same march around! Simply Awesome, glory to God, and i love the songs, the choir rock is classic! Go Ahead!!!"
**
18. Alma Tyler, 2011
"On the hallelujah train. Lovin' them sisters hats. God Bless this church. i am going to have to visit soon."
**
19. Tonya Anderson, 2011
"This is what church is all about... giving GOD your all!!! I was truly blessed by this video."
**
20. Tiffi, 2012
"I feel the Jamaican in this church"
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REPLY
21. MJQ7688, 2013
"I was just thinking that about this church being Jamaican! They got DOWN!"
**
22. Mo W, 2012
"Its obvious that this church is jamaican .. The TRAIN!!!!!!!! HALELLUJAH TRAIN iM RUNNING JESUS ON THE HALELLUJAH TRAIN !!!!!"
**
23. desmarie spence, 2012
"This is how we do it in Holiness Born Again in Jamaica."
**
24. lilmadea07, 2012
"This is what you call praise. What is the name of this song?"
**
25. desmarie spence, 2012
"1.When they ring the golden bells- The Pentecostal Hymnal #141 2. Riding with Jesus"
**
26. Sashagaye mannings, 2013
"i have never seen such a march i loooooooveeeeeee it"
-snip-
As an aside, I just noticed that this commenter has part of my maiden name (Manning)!
**
27. Margaret Mcpherson, 2015
"these saints just know how to trample on them serpents and demons, the action is so important keep on fighting and trampling them forces
**
28. ddoddy76, 2015
"ok no offense .....but what was the point?"
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REPLY
29. Miya Henry, 2016
"They make it seems they are marching into heaven... must pentecostal church do this to have a mind set of how they will be like in heaven. I don't know if I'm right but it's my idea"
**
REPLY
30. Maubaki Wilson, 2016
"Hey Ms.Henry you are 100% correct..the act of them physically marching signifies unity and strength in Jesus' name. The way they marched with such precision and power was the anointing of God on them. People don't always have to run around and speak in tongues lol..you can concentrate that power into something else"
**
31. Kemo Clarke, 2016
"i love it soilder of jesus christ halleluia"
**
32. KRISSY MCINTOSH, 2016
"This church reminds me of my church, keep praising God. Im talking about Bethel Born Again Apostolic on Oakland Road in Jamaica, thats how we worship on a Sunday morning. Love u Pastor Yvonne Codner and Bishop Barracks"
**
33. Vito Motola, 2017
"giving a offering is a type of worship to Jesus."
**
34. Lisa Jackson, 2018
"What happened to church..."
**
REPLY
35. Jessica Woods, 2018
"Lisa Jackson Nothing... Listen to the music it's Jamaican. African churches also worship in a similar manner. I think Black Americans would do close to the same if we didn't integrated."
**
36. ItsKayTho, 2018
"I remember a church I attended, the whole choir would come down circle the church, turn around and go back up the offering aisle. & they took their time too! I love this choir’s energy"
**
37. Neecy Watson, 2018
"A Holy Ghost work out!!!!!!!!❤️"
****
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