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Saturday, February 23, 2019

Some Early Examples Of The Children's Rhyme "Once Upon A Time The Goose Drank Wine"

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest Revision: December 14, 2022

This pancocojams post showcases videos and early examples of the English language children's rhyme  "Once Upon A Time The Goose Drank Wine". 

The content of this post is presented for recreational, folkloric, educational, and aesthetic purposes.

All rights to this material remain with their owners.

Thanks to the un-named composers of the children's rhyme "3 6 9 The Goose Drank Wine" ("Once Upon A Time The Goose Drank Wine"). Thanks to Lincoln Chase for his composition "The Clapping Song" and  thanks to Shirley Ellis, and others for her performance of that song.  Thanks also to all those who are quoted in this post and thanks to the publishers of these videos on YouTube.
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Most of the content in this post was originally published in http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2012/08/3-6-9-goose-drank-wine-clapping-song.html [August 2012]. A number of comments are also found in that post.

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1863 VERSION OF THIS RHYME FROM A CHARLES DICKEN'S STORY
"I've just come across the following in one of Charles Dickens' Christmas Stories. It's entitled Mrs Lirriper's Lodgings and dated 1863.
A young boy by the name of Jemmy is relating a story and it begins with:
'Once upon a time, When pigs drank wine,
And monkeys chewed tobaccer,
Twas neither in your time nor mine,
But that's no macker ----'"
-comment from Anonymous, Dec. 14, 2022

Thanks for sharing this version, Anonymous! 

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EXAMPLE FROM THOMAS W. TALLEY'S 1922 BOOK "NEGRO FOLK RHYMES: WISE AND OTHERWISE 

The Project Gutenberg EBook of Negro Folk Rhymes, by Thomas W. Talley

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Title: Negro Folk Rhymes
       Wise and Otherwise: With a Study

Author: Thomas W. Talley

[originally published 1922]
[page 99]

A FULL POCKETBOOK

De goose at de barn, he feel mighty funny,

Caze de duck find a pocketbook chug full o' money.

De goose say: "Whar is you gwine, my Sonny?"

An' de duck, he say: "Now good-by, Honey."

De duck chaw terbacker an' de goose drink wine,

Wid a stuffed pocketbook dey shō' had a good time;

De grasshopper played de fiddle on a punkin vine

'Till dey all fall over on a sorter dead line.



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OTHER EARLY RHYME EXAMPLES
From http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=5088 "Lyr Req: Once upon a time, the Goose drank wine..."

Example #1:
Our version is South Carolina was:

Once upon a time, a goose chewed wine
Billy goat a'settin' on the streetcar line
Streetcar broke, the monkey got choked
and they all went to heaven on a nanny goat."
-Guest,WadeHP; Date: 04 Nov 03 - 01:18 PM

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Example #2
My version is a little diffrerent. I grew up in the south in the 1930's and we sang it this way:

"Once upon a time, The goose drank wine,
The monkey chewed tobacco on the streetcar line.
The streetcar broke and the monkey choked,
And they all went to heaven on a dead billy goat."

Now, ain't that a hoot???

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Example #3
This is the "goose drank wine" rhyme as I remember it from my childhood in the 1950's. I don't recall any game or activity associated with it; we just recited it.

Once upon a time
the goose drank wine;
the hen pecked corn
off the streetcar line.
The streetcar broke
the monkey got choked
Steamboat! Steamboat!
Holler like a Nanny Goat!
Guest,Terry Mount; Date: 05 Apr 04 - 11:26 AM

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Example #4:
All of the above versions seem to be American.
For a possibly earlier English chant obviously related.(1950s Yorkshire)

Once upon a time when pigs ate/sh^t* lime
And monkeys chewed tobacco,
The little piggy run with his finger up his bum,
To see what was the matter.

I'm sure I've seen other British variants too.

Ah here we are.
Chambers Popular Rhymes of Scotland p57

Lang syne, when geese were swine,
And turkeys chewed tobacco,
And birds biggit their nests in auld men's beards
And mowdies del't potawtoes--

which kicks off a folk tale called The Wife and her Bush of Berries.

I have another half dozen versions from various parts of Britain.
-Steve Gardham; Date: 29 Jul 09 - 07:09 PM

Editor:
*The "s" word is fully spelled out in this post.

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Example #5
My mother-in-law, Marguerite LeMieux Marsh, taught me a version of this rhyme that she learned in Orono, Maine in the 1920s.
"Once upon a time when a goose drank wine,
and a monkey chewed tobacco on a streetcar line.
The streetcar broke. The monkey told a joke.
And they all went to heaven in a little tin boat."

This may have been one of the first rhymes she learned in English, as they spoke French at home, and her knowledge of English was rather scanty when she first went to school.
-Guest,Silvia Wilson; Date: 29 Jul 09 - 11:02 AM

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Example #6
Once upon a time the goose drank wine the monkey played the fiddle on the sweet potato vine..The vine broke the monkey choked they all went to heaven on a billy goat I learned that verse from my Gradmother (Louisiana)
-GUEST,Beckie In louisiana; Date: 14 Jan 10 - 04:51 PM

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Example #7
Same meter, similar verse from Hopalong Peter- might have been a ropeskip verse?
Old mother Hubbard and her dog were Dutch
A bow-legged rooster and he hobbled on a crutch
The hen chewed tobacco and the duck drank wine
The goose played the fiddle on the pumpkin vine
-iancarterb; Date: 15 Jan 10 - 10:35 PM
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Click http://www.lizlyle.lofgrens.org/RmOlSngs/RTOS-Hopalong.html for information, lyrics, and a music score of the song "Hopalong Peter".

The author of that lizlyle... post writes that "Hopalong Peter isn't very widely collected, and I suspect that means it isn't very old. There seem to have been two recordings on 78s..."

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Example #8
"Once upon a time a goose drank wine a monkey chewed tobacco on the trolly line the trolly broke the monkey choked and they all lived together in a little tin boat. followed by a shave and a hair cut"
-GUEST,karen, Date: 14 Jul 12 - 11:02 AM

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Example #9
From: GUEST,Bob K, Oak Hill, VA
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 05:58 PM
"The version I know, circa 1951, is almost identical to the one posted by the person who said "I grew up in the south in the 1930's." I learned it from my father, who grew up in Louisville,KY in the 1920's:

"Once upon a time, the goose drank wine.
A monkey chewed tobacco on a streetcar line.
The streetcar broke. The monkey choked,
And they all went to heaven on a billy goat.""...

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INFORMATION ABOUT RHYTHM & BLUES SONG ENTITLED "THE CLAPPING SONG" 
"The Clapping Game" lyrics also include a version of the American children's rhyme "Once Upon A Time" (The Goose Drank Wine)". Thhis rhyme is also known as "3 6 9 (The Goose Drank Wine)". 

Here's information about that R&B song from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clapping_Song:
"The Clapping Song" is an American song, written by Lincoln Chase, originally arranged by Charles Callello and recorded by Shirley Ellis in 1965. The song was released shortly after Ellis had released "The Name Game". The lyrics of "The Clapping Song" were borrowed from the song "Little Rubber Dolly", a 1930s song recorded by the Light Crust Doughboys, and also feature instructions for a clapping game. The song made it to #8 on the charts.

The song returned to the charts in 1982, when the Belle Stars' version charted at number 11 in the U.K. This version did not chart in the U.S."

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SONG LYRICS: THE CLAPPING GAME
(Lincoln Chase)

Three, six, nine, the goose drank wine,
The monkey chewed tobacco on the streetcar line
The line broke, the monkey got choked,
They all went to heaven in a little row-boat

Clap-Pat
Clap-Pat
Clap-Pat
Clap-Slap

Clap-Pat: Clap your hand, pat it on your partner's hand (right hand)
Clap-Pat: Clap your hand, cross it with your left arm, pat your partner's left palm
Clap-Pat: Clap your hand, pat your partner's right palm with your right palm again
Clap-Slap: Clap your hands, slap your thighs, and sing a little song; go:

My mother told me
If I was good-ee
That she would buy me
A rubber dolly

My aunty told her
I kissed a soldier
Now she won't buy me
A rubber dolly

Three, six, nine, the goose drank wine,
The monkey chewed tobacco on the streetcar line
The line broke, the monkey got choked,
They all went to heaven in a little row-boat

Clap-clap: Clap you hands and prepare to pat
Pat: Take your right arm pat your partner's right palm with your right palm
Clap: Take your hands back and clap

Pat: Take you right arm cross your right arm with your left arm pat your partner's left palm with your left palm.
Clap: Take your hands back and clap
Pat: Take your right arm cros your left arm and pat your partner's right palm with your right palm.
Clap: Now back, with a clap
Take the flats of your palms and slap your thighs and watch the fun materialize as you sing this little song:

My mother told me
If I was good-ee
That she would buy me
A rubber dolly

My aunty told her
I kissed a soldier
Now she won't buy me
A rubber dolly

Clap-Pat
Clap-Pat
Clap-Pat
Clap-Slap

Clap-Pat
Clap-Pat
Clap-Pat
Clap-Slap

From http://www.lyricsbay.com/the_clapping_song_lyrics-shirley_ellis.html
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The Belle Stars sung the same song lyrics as Shirley Ellis.

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FEATURED VIDEOS
KW  03 
SHIRLEY ELLIS The Clapping Song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltxwB_Sl8w8&ab_channel=BLOWUPBONN

BLOW UP BON, Jan 17, 2016
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Here's a summary of this song from the video that was previously embedded in this post but is no longer available:

"New York vocalist and composer Shirley Ellis was in the Metronomes before earning fame as co-composer and performer of some enjoyable soul novelty tunes in the mid-'60s. These included the Top Ten R&B hits "The Nitty Gritty" and "The Name Game." "The Name Game" was co-written with her manager and husband Lincoln Chase, and peaked at number four R&B and number three pop in 1965. She and Chase also collaborated on the follow-up, "The Clapping Song (Clap Pat Clap Slap)," which reached number 16 R&B, but also represented the end of the creative line for the trend. Ellis landed one final moderately successful, more conventional soul tune two years later, "Soul Time." All except "Soul Time" were recorded for Congress; she had moved to Columbia by 1967, when "Soul Time" was issued. ~ Ron Wynn," Rovi
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The copy of the earlier YouTube video that was embedded in this post was taken from a television dance series called "Shivaree" (
Mar 20, 1965). This film clip probably is the same film clip.

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Video #2: Belle Stars - The clapping song 1982



Uploaded by fritz5135 on Aug 30, 2010

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Video #3: 2012 Beetle High Five Volkswagen Commercial


Uploaded by openwheel6 on Sep 19, 2011

I did the driving for this commercial. I do not own the rights to this commercial.
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RELATED LINKS
Click http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYQ1lkP1j_g for a video of "Red Red Wine".

Also click http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/babymama/redredwine.htm for the lyrics of that song.

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A verse from UB 40's 1983 Reggae song "Red Red Wine" has very similar lyrics to the children's playground rhyme "Once Upon A Time [or "3-6-9"] The Goose Drank Wine":

"Red red wine you make me feel so fine
Monkey pack him rizla pon the sweet dep line"
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From Arbuthnot, Date: 15 Jan 10 - 01:10 AM on Mudcat link given above:
"Rizla is what the English call those cigarette papers - the manufacturers are a company called Riz, La Croix (translates as Rice and Cross), and they shortened the name to Riz La+ on the packets!"

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47 comments:

  1. Huh. Here is how it goes:
    Once upon a time a goose drank wine,
    The rooster started to crow.
    The little dog laughed because he had so much fun, and then the goose ran off with the crow.
    Anyway that's how we said it.

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    1. Thanks for sharing that version, Unknown.

      You wrote "Anyway that's how we said it. For the folkloric record,it would be great if you would share when and where you learned this version. (when- which decade, and where- which city/state and also nation if outside of the USA.)

      Thanks!

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    2. well I was wondering where the rhyme, taught to me by my mother in 1947 in Subiaco Arkansas - population 92, came from. It was interesting to find your research and read the different versions. I think she may have gotten the rhyme from some child friends in this country farm type area in the 1920's..
      Thank you for your work..

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    3. I just read this comment from Unknown April 13,2020.

      Thanks for adding that demographic information!

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    4. Hi there, Dear Azizi

      United States 5th and 6th Marines Regiments, then encamped around my Masterton, New Zealand, home -- and/or in and out of our family-owned private hospital -- taught me a pretty rough version of this rhyme during World War Two, when I was less than 5 years old.

      Leaving some to the imagination, my version goes like this:

      Once upon a time
      When the cows ate lime and
      The monkeys chewed tobacco
      A little boy run
      With his fingers up his b*m and
      The Devil ran past
      With a chisel up his a&s
      To see what was the matter

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    5. Brian Richard Allen, thanks for sharing that interesting :o) version of the "Once Upon A Time" rhyme. Also, thanks for the amended spelling.

      Who would have thought that the Devil would show up in this rhyme and that the Devil would care to find out what was the matter...Not to mention that he had an a&s... o))


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    6. As an aside, Brian Richard Allen, I'm guessing that you're not African American since you live in New Zealand. "Once upon a time", the names "Richard Allen" used to be given to African American males as first names and middle names in honor of this famous man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Allen_(bishop)
      "Richard Allen (February 14, 1760 – March 26, 1831)[1] was a minister, educator, writer, and one of America's most active and influential Black leaders. In 1794, he founded the African Methodist Episcopal Church (AME), the first independent Black denomination in the United States. He opened his first AME church in 1794 in Philadelphia.[2]

      Elected the first bishop of the AME Church in 1816, Allen focused on organizing a denomination in which free Black people could worship without racial oppression and enslaved people could find a measure of dignity. He worked to upgrade the social status of the Black community, organizing Sabbath schools to teach literacy and promoting national organizations to develop political strategies.[3]"...

      I just wanted to share that bit of info.

      Thanks again and best wishes!

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  2. I learned the following from my grandmother in the 1990s, she was born in 1930 (East Texas/Louisiana).
    Once upon a time, the goose drank wine
    The monkey played the fiddle on a 'tater vine,
    The vine broke, the monkey choked,
    and now my monkey's dead....lol-she had a sense of humor!
    the last line would vary between the above: and they all went to heaven on a billy goat.
    This version is similar to the above version listed from Louisiana

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    1. Clarice Martel,

      Thanks for sharing the version of "Once Upon A Time/The Goose Drank Wine" that your grandmother chanted.

      And thanks for remembering to add demographic information.

      I can imagine your grandmother chanting that first version of that last line.

      I'm glad you have fun memories of her.

      Best wishes!

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  3. My mother just told us about a rhyme she remembered as a child growing up in Jermyn, PA (born 1931). It goes like this:
    Once upon a time, a goose drank wine
    A monkey chewed tobacco on the streetcar line.
    The streetcar broke, the monkey choked, and they all went to heaven on a white nanny goat.

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    1. Unknown, thank you for sharing that version of "Once Upon A Time". I appreciate you sharing this version for the folkloric record and remembering to add demographic information (where and when you learned it and who you learned it from.)

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    2. I learned the rhyme from my grandma before I started school circa 1952 in Richmond, Virginia.

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    3. Anonymous, thanks for sharing that demographic information about "Once Upon A Time The Goose Drank Wine" for the folkloric record. The fact that your grandmother taught you this rhyme indicates that it was known even earlier than 1952.

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  4. The year is 1958 and I was 4 years old and living in South East London.
    My father used to sing this version when he thought no one else was listening.
    It’s obviously a very crude corruption of the song/chant discussed in this article.
    He sang it in the old English ‘Music Hall’ style and it sounded quite melodic.
    There are many English Drinking/Rugby songs that are crude in their nature and I imagine the original song "Once Upon A Time The Goose Drank Wine" was used as the basis for my Father's similarly styled ditty.

    (Rude word warning)

    Once upon a time when the birds ate lime
    And the monkeys chewed tobacco
    There lay Stan, a funny old man
    And he’s crying out for water
    Water... water...
    ’Til water came at last
    He said I don’t want your water
    You can stick it up your a*se!

    It didn't win a Nobel prize for literature but it made a 4 year old London boy laugh.

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    1. Thanks, Unknown for sharing your memory of that song with us.

      I appreciate it.

      Because I'm not sure what you mean by singing in English music hall style, I "googled" that term. Here's an excerpt from one of the hits for "Music Hall":

      https://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/Music-Hall/

      "New types of performances and genres would arise from this setting including “the lion comique” which became synonymous with Victorian music halls across London. A parody of the upper classes, the performers would dress flamboyantly and mimic real life characters, to the delight of their working class audiences. Comic singers such as Alfred Vance, G.H MacDermott and George Leybourne became household names. Vices such as idleness and drinking would be made fun of, as in George Leybourne’s famous song “Champagne Charlie”. Other music hall acts included mimes, musicians and over time, magicians and trapeze artists."...
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      Do you mean your father sung this song with a great deal of dramatic flourish and/or he sung a comic song?

      Thanks again!

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    2. Ok I just googled a rhyme and found this site. I was born1949in rual NW Florida. I heard the following a time or two. Not from grandma but other kids. Today I see it was a goose. This is what I thought we said: Once upon a time the monkey drank wine. Trying to get to heaven on a potato vine. The vine broke,the monkey got choked(something something something about an old Billy goat...I don't remember the rest����

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    3. Unknown, Oct 15, 2021

      Thanks for sharing that example of "Once Upon A Time" and thanks for including demographics.

      My guess is that the line you can't remember is "and they all went to Heaven on an old Billy goat."

      Regarding this line in the rhyme that you remember "trying to get to heaven on a potato vine", the 1922 book "Negro Folk Rhymes: Wise and Otherwise" that is iquoted in this post has a similar line "the grasshopper played de fiddle on a punkin vine".

      Also, commenter Clarice MartelSeptember 23, 2020 at 4:53 PM shared this line in her example:
      "The monkey played the fiddle on a 'tater vine"

      Thanks again!

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  5. My Grandmother born in the 20's from the Baltimore and Tacoma Park area of Maryland sang it: "once upon a time, a goose drank wine, a monkey chewed tobacco on a street car line, the streetcar broke, the monkey choked, and they all went to heaven in a little green boat. (Sometimes rowboat, sometimes tin boat)

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    1. Anonymous, thanks for sharing that version of the rhyme "Once Upon A Time".

      Thanks also for remembering to add demographic information for the folkloric record.

      I wonder why "they all went to heaven in a little rowboat" has become the common ending for that rhyme instead of any other type of boat.

      Best wishes!

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  6. I grew up in the 90s, my daddy's side we're Louisiana Creole, and I guess I'm only just now realizing THAT'S where this originated most likely for him. When I was young, I would ask him to tell me a story, and in true dad fashion, every so often he would find it so funny to start off: "Once upon a time..." And then roll right on into, "The goose drank wine, the monkey played the fiddle on the sweet potato vine. The vine broke, the monkey got choke, and they all went to heaven in a little row boat!" I never thought it was as funny as he did at the time. But now with children of my own, and also learning how important it is to be proud of my culture and family's history (and thankfully I live right across the river from SW Louisiana),I am taking great pleasure in teaching my own children these things.

    I should add- it wasn't only in our family that was sung growing up. If my memory serves me right, us neighborhood kids in the 90s in Beaumont, TX on my block, we also sang the same version that I listed, and did a patty-cake-type hand game, as well as other child games to that and many other little ditties.

    🥰

    -Carley (Thompson) O'Burke

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    1. Thanks Carley (Thompson) O'Burke, for sharing those memories
      and including demographic and performance information for the folkloric record.

      I appreciate it.

      Best wishes!

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    2. Of course! These things are precious to most, if not all of us. And I'm finding out recently that there are so many of my generation (I was born in 1990) that want to know what and where we came from, both the good and the bad, because we are humans and our history and stories came from everything that made us and our parents and grandparents and ancestors who they were. What made them cry, what made them smile, what helped them feel safe or unsafe, what carried them through the day, what children sang and played... These things aren't to be forgotten and buried. Assimilation is killing who we are, and many (if not most) of our generation now is refusing to "fit in" anymore. We aren't buying it, we love our histories, and our cultures, and our families, and our stories. We aren't afraid, for example, of saying we are Creole, vs the more acceptable French or Cajun. We aren't afraid of speaking our dialects/grammar instead of "proper English", because there IS no "proper English". We aren't afraid of standing up for ourselves, and each other. Of laughing out loud, of singing out loud, of loving out loud, of crying out loud.

      And it's not where it needs to be just yet, but the scale is tipping. Our generation is tired, and we want something different. And I hope to God we stay wanting that, instead of getting complacent and settling for status quo as we age comfortably. Instead, I hope that we inspire our children and grandchildren to continue change.

      Sorry for the novel. :)

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    3. I agree with everything that you wrote. THIS comment should be archived and shared as part of America's folk history.

      More power to you!

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  7. My grandmother was born in the 20s in Louisiana and she use to sing this to me when I was a little girl. Her version:
    Once upon a time the goose dranked wine
    The monkey chewed tobacco on a street car
    The car line broke
    And the monkey got choked
    And we all went to heaven on a little paper not
    When we got to heaven we didn’t know what to do
    So we smiled at the angels and walked on thru.

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    1. Hello, Anonymous. Thank you for sharing that version of "Once Upon A Time" and thanks for including that your grandmother taught you tht version and when and where she was born.

      I hadn't come across that version before.

      Is the word "not" a typo for the word "note"?

      Thanks again!

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  8. My mother would sing this to me when I was a baby/toddler. She was born in 1942 in Selma, AL and then moved to Pensacola, FL. I don’t know who she learned it from for sure but her parents were born in the 20s. I was born in 1976 and I have sung it to my daughter who was born in 2013. I just googled it because I was singing it to myself and was curious about the origin of it. That’s how I came across this. Thank you so much for putting this together. There is so much more to it than I imagined.

    Once upon a time a monkey drank wine
    Sitting on top of a streetcar line
    The line broke
    The monkey got choked
    And they all went to heaven in a little row boat

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    1. Hello, Anonymous.
      You're welcome and thank you for your comment. I appreciate your adding demographic information for the folkloric record about this rhyme/song.

      I'm glad that you are passing "Once Upon A Time The Monkey Drank Wine" along to your daughter.

      Best wishes!

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    2. I also remember the UB40 song mentioned above. Here are the rest of the lyrics they use.

      Give me a likkle time, let me clear up mi mind
      Give me a likkle time, let me clear up mi mind
      Give me red wine, the kind make me feel fine
      You make me feel fine all of the time
      Red red wine, you make me feel so fine
      Monkey pack him Rizla pon the sweet Dep line
      The line broke, the money get choked
      Bun bad ganja pon him likkle rowing boat
      Red red wine, I'm gonna hold on to you
      Hold on to you 'cause I know yuh love truth
      Red red wine, I'm gonna love you til' I die
      Love you 'til I die, and that's no lie
      Red red wine, can't get you out mi mind
      Wherever you may be, I'll surely find
      I'll surely find, make no fuss, just leave us

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    3. Thanks, Anonymous for adding those lyrics for UB 40's 1983 Reggae song "Red Red Wine" that I mentioned in Related Links.

      I really appreciate it!

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  9. I've just come across the following in one of Charles Dickens' Christmas Stories. It's entitled Mrs Lirriper's Lodgings and dated 1863.
    A young boy by the name of Jemmy is relating a story and it begins with:
    'Once upon a time, When pigs drank wine,
    And monkeys chewed tobaccer,
    Twas neither in your time nor mine,
    But that's no macker ----'
    It immediately made me think of The Clapping Song and hence brought me here.

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    1. Anonymous, thanks for sharing that 1863 version of "Once Upon A Time"!

      I appreciate it. You win the prize for the oldest date for a version of this rhyme that has been shared so far. :o)

      Best wishes!

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    2. I added this version to the post itself and gave you a shout out.

      Thanks again!

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  10. My family uses this line as an opener to telling a tall story:

    Once upon a time, when the birds ate lime, and Mr Irvine chewed tobacco...

    Mr Irvine, I'm told, was a neighbour. This would have been 1950s in Pukekohe, NZ.

    I always thought it was a "family" rhyme!

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    1. Hello, Anonymous.

      Thanks for sharing your family tradition with us. I wonder if the neighbor Mr. Irvine in that opening for your family telling tall stories actually did chew tobacco.

      While that opening is interesting, I'm even more impressed with your family's custom of sharing tall stories . I notice that you are from New Zealand. I wonder if the custom of families telling tall stories (which are called "tall tales" in the USA) is widely practiced in New Zealand. Unfortunately, I think that few people in the USA now even know what a tall tale is , let alone share them as part of a leisure activity.

      Best wishes!

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  11. A version recited by my father, and apparently common in England in the 1930s/WW2 period, goes like this:
    Once upon a time when the birds ate lime
    And the monkeys chewed tobacco,
    They all took snuff to make themselves tough,
    My word, how they did chatter!

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    1. Hello, John Park.
      Thanks for sharing that version of "Once Upon A Time" and thanks for including demographic information.
      I hadn't come across that version before.
      I appreciate it.

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  12. I was born in the 1950s, and my father always recited it this way:

    Once upon a time the goose drank wine
    The monkey did the shimmy on the trolly car line
    The trolly car broke
    The monkey did choke
    And the monkey went to heaven in a little tin boat

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    1. Steve Burrell, thanks for sharing that version of "Once Upon A Time" that you learned from your father.

      I appreciate it.

      Best wishes!

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  13. My mother, raised on the Mississippi delta in the 40s & 50s, said it like this:
    Once upon a time, the goose drank wine,
    the horse spit tocacco on the streetcar line,
    The streetcar broke, the monkey choked,
    and they all went to heaven on a blue billy goat.

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    1. Hi, Anonymous. Thanks for adding that version of "Once Upon A Time" to this collection and thanks for remembering to add demographic information.

      This is the first time that I've come across a version that includes a horse spitting tobacco and/or a blue billy goat. :o)

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  14. #6 Once upon a Time

    When I was a girl growing up in the 70's in Independence, Louisiana, a place where Italian immigrants settled between 1894 and 1924, me and my grandmother would sit on the porch in her rocking chairs and she would tell me stories related to the immigration about ,how our people came here by crossing the ocean on a big ship and she would sing rhymes and one of the rhymes that she taught me was Once Upon A Time

    Once upon a time the goose drank the wine and the monkey played the fiddle on the sweet potatoe vine
    The sweet potato vine broke and the money got choked
    They all went to heaven on a Billy goat.
    Today is October 13, 2023 and I am 53 years old and this rhyme just came up as a thought in my head and I decided to look it up on the internet and this is how I came here and thank you I always thought my grandmother made this up but today I have discovered that it's a rhyme in books as wellas on the internet today. I wish I could tell her.

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    1. Hello, Anonymous. Thanks for sharing the version of "Once Upon A Tim" that your grandmother taught you and thanks for including demographic information.

      I appreciate your drawing a picture with your words of your grandmother sharing those stories and rhymes with you. I think that "Once Upon A Time" originated in the USA, so your grandmother probably learned it when she was in Louisiana.

      For other people reading that example "The money" is undoubtedly a typo for "the monkey".

      Thanks again and best wishes!

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  15. My mom grew up in St. Louis from 1939-1959 and taught us “Once upon a time, the goose drank wine. The monkey spit tobacco on the streetcar line. The streetcar broke. And all the people choked and had to go to Heaven on a nanny goat.”

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    1. Thanks, Anonymous for sharing this version of "Once Upon A Time" . Thanks also for including when and where you learned that version.

      Best wishes!

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  16. My Grandpa taught me as a little girl in Australia.
    Once upon a time when the birds ate lime
    And the monkeys chewed tobacco
    The devil ran past with a chisel in his mouth
    To see what was the matter
    The wind blew North
    The wind blew South
    The wind blew the chisel from his ear to his …….mouth

    Wondering now if chisel might have been whistle, such a long time ago.

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    1. Greetings, Anonymous. My apologies for inadvertently deleted my earlier acknowledgement of your comment.

      Thank you for sharing that example of "Once Upon A Time" for the folkloric record. I hadn't heard that version before.

      I agree with you that the word "chisel" in the line "The devil ran past with a chisel in his mouth" was probably originally "whistle" as that word makes more sense.

      Best wishes!

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