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Thursday, January 11, 2018

Examples Of The Children's Rhymes "Order In The Court" ("Silence In The Court")

Edited by Azizi Powell

This pancocojams post presents a compilation of examples of the children's rhyme "Order In The Court" (also known as "Silence In The Court)".

The content of this post is provided for folkloric purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to all those who are quoted in this post.

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DISCLAIMER:
This compilation isn't meant to be a comprehensive listing of every example of these rhymes. If you know other versions of "Order in the court" ("Silence in the court") please share it in the comment section below, along with demographics (when [which decade] and where [city/state and nation if outside of the United States), along with any comments that you want to add. Thanks!

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EXAMPLES OF "ORDER IN THE COURT" ("SILENCE IN THE COURT")

Pancocojams Editor's Note:
The first excerpt given below dates "Order in the court" rhymes to the 1920s and 1930s (New York).

With the exception of that first excerpt, these examples are given in relative chronological order based on the publishing dates online (of the first example, if the excerpt includes multiple examples), with the oldest dated excerpts given first.

Examples with no online publishing dates were retrieved on January 11, 2018, and are placed after the excerpts that have publishing dates.

I've added italics for the rhyme when it is included in a long comment.

For referencing purposes, I've added numbers for the excerpts and for the multiple examples of this rhyme in some of those excerpts.

EXCERPT #1
From https://www.waywordradio.org/on-the-shoe-phone/ On the Shoe Phone
Posted by Grant Barrett on September 20, 2014 ·
"Monkey for a Week
“Order in the court, the monkey wants to speak, the first one to speak is a monkey for a week!” This children’s rhyme appears in print in the 1950s, and Israel Kaplan mentions it in When I Was a Boy in Brooklyn, his take on growing up in New York in the 20s and 30s. Many of his rhymes were less tame."

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EXCERPT #2
From https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=81350 "I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes"
1. Subject: RE: I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 May 05 - 11:41 AM

"Order in the court room!
Monkey wants to speak!
Speak, monkey, speak!


And the first to speak is the monkey. Used in our family car for years in an attempt to keep five battling kids quiet."

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2. Subject: Speak Monkey Speak
From: GUEST,sunday monkey
Date: 17 Jun 05 - 01:53 AM

from the sf bay area in the 60's:

"order in the court
the monkey wants to speak
speak monkey speak
the first one to speak
is the monkey of the week"

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3. Subject: RE: I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes
From: firemonkey
Date: 22 Jul 07 - 09:42 PM

I remember this one

Order in the court!
The monkey wants to speak
The first one to talk
is a monkey for a week!

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4. Subject: RE: I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes
From: GUEST,kfo
Date: 25 Feb 08 - 02:56 PM

Does anyone remember something like this:

Order in the courthouse,
The monkey wants to speak.
No laughing, no smiling
No showing your teeth!

Then if anyone talked or smiled, etc, they were "it".

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5. Subject: RE: I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes
From: Big Mick
Date: 15 Mar 08 - 12:22 AM

from an unattributed GUEST post which is not allowed:

I remember:

Order in the court
the monkey wants to speak
the first one to speak is
the monkey for the week.

My parents used to use it on long car trips to try to get me not to talk.

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6. Subject: RE: I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 05:35 PM

Silence in the gallery
Silence in the court
The biggest monkey in the world
is just about to talk!

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7. Subject: RE: I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes
From: GUEST,Anje
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 06:49 PM

Only remember a little of this:

Order in the court
The judge is eating beans.
His wife is in the bathtub (bathroom?)
sinking submarines

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8. Subject: RE: I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes
From: GUEST,Tom Jenkins (UK)
Date: 04 Mar 09 - 08:18 AM

Silence in the Courtyard,
Silence in the street
The biggest fool in [town name]
Is just about to speak

(Often closed with 'Starting froooooom... NOW!')

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9. Subject: RE: I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes
From: GUEST,kenny boy
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 09:36 PM

"Growing up in Central California in the 1950s, My Mom & Dad would say at the dinner table:

Order in the court.
The monkey wants to speak.
Speak monkey speak.
The first one to speak is a monkey.


It made us all shut up for up to minutes at a time.
In the 1980s it worked just as well on my kids."
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Pancocojams Editor's note:
I started this discussion mudcat discussion thread on children's rhymes, and added a comment that I remember "Order in the court" from my childhood in the 1950s (Atlantic City, New Jersey). I didn't add the version that I remember reciting (with no accompanying hand clapping or other body motions. However, that version is
Order in the court
The monkey wants to speak.
Speak monkey speak!


[And then we tried not to make any sound, because the first person who talked or even made the slightest sound after that lost the game. That person was "the monkey".

This was a fun game. "Being the monkey" didn't have any racial derogatory association for us Black kids when we played that game. But when we were in later elementary school grades, we became aware that "monkey" was used as a put down for Black people.

Instead of "Order in the court", I played another "silence competition" game with my children that I had also played when I was growing up. That game begins after someone says "Next one to talk is a rotten egg". The first person who says anything loses i.e she or he is a "rotten egg".

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EXCERPT #3
From https://www.disboards.com/threads/what-should-i-say-to-my-neighbor-about-her-kids.2175196/page-3 What should I say to my neighbor about her kids?

TEENEE, May 13, 2009
"Sounds like normal kid stuff to me. They have been together every school day and are comfortable with each other, no big deal. It's also the end of the school year and they are ready for summer. All kids get a little antsy this time of year. Try to distract them, sing a silly song, ask them questions, anything to change their routine. When we were kids my mom would say "order in the court room, the monkey wants to speak, no laughing, no talking, no showing your teeth." The first person to speak, laugh or show their teeth is the monkey. I use that little game with kids all the time, it works. The first time you try it they won't understand. Once you explain it they will have fun with it. Explain it to your dd before they get in the car so she has the upperhand. That way she won't be the monkey the first time you play."
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dd= dear daughter

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EXCERPT #4
From http://transgressors-grace.blogspot.com/2010/01/order-in-court.html
JANUARY 20, 2010 Posted by Jess
"Order in the Court
I was walking through my kitchen last night when a song popped into my head. Well, not a song really. More like a ditty. It's been stuck there ever since. I can't sing it for you, obviously, but it goes like this:

Order in the court.
The judge wants to speak.
The first one to talk is the monkey of the week.


Now my question is, where the hell did that come from? I mean, I recognize it. It's a little song that my fourth grade teacher used to sing when she wanted us to quiet down. How's that for sudden and serious clarity of memory? But the point is, it's not been a part of my waking consciousness for the past 21 years. So why now? Why that moment as I passed the fridge heading for the sink? Seriously. It makes me wonder what else is lurking around in there.

[...]

There are years of useful information floating around up there, just waiting for the appropriate trigger to activate the pathways to memory and I end up with Order in the Court? I'm certain this says something important about my early childhood development. I just can't remember what."
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Comment:
Anonymous said...
"I remember:
Order in the court, the monkey wants to speak. No laughing or talking or showing your dirty teeth.

I too am trying to find the origin of the saying. Please let us know if you find out.
December 17, 2012

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EXCERPT #5
From https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/survivorsucks/childhood-ryme-t71488.html
1. Old Guy Don
22 Jun 2010
"Order in the court, the Judge is eating beans, his wife is in the bathtub floating submarines.

So, what in the hell was this all about..............Google provides squat"

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2. StatelyWayneManor
22 Jun 2010,
"Just checked the internets.
The original ryme/rhyme may have been...
Order in the court
Judge is eating beans
Now he 's in the bathtub
Shooting submarines

In brief...it's about the bubbles you make
while farting underwater."

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3. elhongotom
30 May 2013
"When I was a kid, about a hundred years ago, I assumed that the submarines were her turds that she crapped into the bath water."

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EXCERPT #6
From http://www.essentialkids.com.au/forums/index.php?/topic/1087465-naughty-rhymes-from-childhood/ Naughty Rhymes from childhood.
Elemenopee
Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:42 PM
"My husband says:
Silence in the court
Monkey wants to talk
Speak up monkey, speak!
(and the next one to speak is 'the monkey')"

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EXCERPT #7
From https://www.deepfun.com/not-laughing/ Not Laughing
[comment posted about the article]
Steve Wilson on July 3, 2013 at 9:29 am
"This rhyme was the start for a childhood game in Philly: “Order in the court, the monkey wants to speak. No laughing, no talking, no showing your teeth.” The one who is the monkey then tries anything–but no touching–to get one of the other players to smile or laugh or talk, who then becomes the monkey"

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EXCERPT #8
From http://www.funnysongsforkids.com/funny-poems-for-kids/category/folk-rhymes
Order in the Court – Traditional American
10/4/2014
Order in the court
The judge is eating beans
His wife is in the bathtub
Shooting submarines

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EXCERPT #9
From https://mudcat.org/jumprope/jumprope_display.cfm?rhyme_number=213
Order in the courts
The judge is eating beans.
His wife is in the bathtub
Counting submarines.
One, two, three, ... (* Continue counting *)
Source: Abrahams (1969), Hastings (1990)
-snip-
Note that this is a jump rope rhyme.

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EXCERPT #10
From http://dragon.sleepdeprived.ca/songbook/songs5/S5_128.htm Announcements Song
Announcements, Announcements, Announcements,

[...]

Order in the court
Order in the court
Monkey wants to speak
SPEAK monkey SPEAK!
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This is one of the latter verses given for this song. Each four line verse begins with the words "Announcements, Announcements, Announcements"

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26 comments:

  1. Yes, in response to the request of whether others of us remembered a version:
    Version #7 is exactly how I learned it in Atlantic City, New Jersey in the 1950s, just 60 miles from Philadelphia, where poster #7, Steve Wilson learned it.
    "Order in the court,
    The monkey wants to speak.
    No laughing, no smiling,
    No showing your teeth."
    I see among the comments that the editor of pancocojams who posted above also learned the ditty in Atlantic City, but with somewhat different words.

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    1. Greetings, Researcher.

      Thanks for commenting and including demographics about this example of "Order In The Court" that you remember reciting.

      I'm not surprised that the example in Excerpt #7 from Philly that is given above is the same as the one you remember from Atlantic City, as these cities are geographically so close.

      However, as I'm sure you know and as the version I remember shows, versions of rhymes from the same city-or even the same neighborhood in that city- during the same time or different periods of time may be quite different.

      As somewhat of an aside, I'm wondering if you or anyone else reading this comment thread remembers the saying/game "the next one who speaks is a rotten egg"?

      Thanks again!

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  2. From 1960s in Scranton Pennsylvania I remember " Order in the court the judge is eatin beans, he's sittin on the toilet makin little submarines".

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    1. Anonymous, thanks for sharing that example of "Order In The court".

      Thanks also for including demographics (when and where you remember chanting that rhyme).

      Best wishes!

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  3. We said this as kids in Westminster, CA in the early 70s.
    It just came to my mind for some reason today so I looked on the web to get the third line I couldn't recall. None of the above entries contain it, but I've remembered what it was. Our version went like this:

    Order in the court
    The monkey wants to speak
    The monkey has the floor
    So, speak monkey, speak!

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    1. Ewolfe357, thanks for sharing your memory of that "Order in the court" rhyme.

      Thanks also for sharing demographic information for the folkloric record.

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    2. I am also from Orange Co Calif, and was raised in the 1950's. Our version was "Order in the Court-Monkey's got the floor-Speak Monkey, SPEAK!" and my folks were from Texas and Louisiana, our Mom used to say it when we were talking over each other....good memories! thanks for this wonderful site

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    3. Hello,Anonymous May 14, 2022.

      You're welcome for your compliment about this website.

      Thanks for sharing your memories about that version of "Order In The Court" along with demographic information and information about when you said it.

      It appears that "Order In The Court" was (or is still?) widely known in the United States.

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  4. The version I learned as a kid growing up in the 1950s Bronx was

    Order in the court,
    The monkey wants to speak,
    Speak monkey speak,
    No laughing, no smiling,
    no showing your teeth.

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    1. Rick Evans, thanks for sharing that version of "Order In The Court" and thanks for adding when and where you chanted it.

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  5. Order in the court, the judge has got to spit, ......and I can't recall the final two lines I heard as a kid. If anyone can fill in those two lines, I will be grateful.

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    1. Hello, Joe Dan Boyd.

      I don't know any examples of "Order in the court" with that second line. But it wouldn't surprise me at all if the rhyming word for spit was a four letter curse word that starts with the letter s.

      If so, I'd rather not have any examples of that version added to this family friendly blog.

      Best wishes!

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    2. I remember hearing one (maybe on Away With Words) that went, as I remember,

      "Order in the court!
      The judge wants to spit!
      All who can't swim better git!"

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    3. Thanks for sharing that example of "Order In The Court" Anonymous.

      I hadn't come across that version before. When and where do you first remember hearing it?

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  6. I lived in Clearfield, Utah beginning in 1948. There were a number of military installations nearby, and all of the kids in my neighborhood chanted it as:
    Order in the court
    The judge is eatin' beans
    Hitler's in the bathtub
    sinkin' submarines.

    As far as I knew, everyone just took the literal meaning, no matter how nonsensical it seemed to us, even then. We just thought it was a fun thing to say.

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    1. Greetings, Diana.

      Thanks for sharing the version of "Order In The Court" that you remember. Thanks also for including demographic information (where and when you remember chanting this rhyme.)

      Because your example includes the name "Hitler", I've also added it to another pancocojams page of children's rhymes: Children's Rhymes That Include Names Of Famous People (Part II- rhymes whose titles begin with M-Z )
      http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2015/08/playground-rhymes-that-include-names-of_54.html

      Best wishes!

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  7. So, what happens when you are the monkey? When the person “looses” and becomes it, what happens other then giggling and pointing fingers when one looses? Your a monkey for a week. What does the person do for the week?

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    1. Anonymous, thanks for your questions.

      My recollection is that no one really meant that the person who speaks is a monkey or must really be silent for a week (or even for a short period afterwards. This game is just that- The person who loses, has to put up with some giggling and finger pointing at him/her (as you noted), put that's it. The chant could actually begin again right away.

      My recollection is the same as what I've read online about this "Order in the court" chant/game.

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  8. [It seems that my previous post from today disappeared, so forgive me if I repeat it.] This verse recently popped into my head a couple of days ago and when I did a web search, it led me here. Amazing! I grew up in Honolulu HI in the 50’s and I’m of Okinawan descent (fine-tuning a Japanese American background). I don’t recall why or for what reason we recited this verse. Here’s the way I remember it:

    Order in the court
    Monkey wants to speak
    Speak monkey speak
    No talking
    No laughing
    No showing teeth

    Using it to quiet a group of noisy kids sounds like the perfect use of this verse. Interestingly, to me anyway, it has the same rhythmic feel as the “Jan Ken-a Po” chant that we used when doing “Rock, Paper, Scissors”. It was quite a neat thing when I discovered that this blog is about the African American cultural experience! I have friends to share it with!

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    1. Greetings, Volcano Lee.
      Thanks for your comment and thanks for including demographic information. (I'm sorry that your initial comment didn't show up at first. I read it the same time that I read your second comment, but I deleted this first one since this one was longer.)

      I appreciate your comment that "Order In The Court" has the same or similar rhythmic feel as :Jan Ken-a Po". That's one children's rhyme that I haven't focused on here.

      It's true that this blog mostly focuses on the cultural experiences of African Americans and other people of some Black African descent. However, I showcase examples of children's recreational rhymes, game songs, and chants/cheers that may not have originated with or aren't (weren't largely associated with Black children because I'm interested in the subject of children's recreational rhymes etc.

      That said, many pancocojams' posts on children's rhymes etc do tend to focus on the ways that Black children's performance activities and versions of certain rhymes, singing games, chants and cheers may differ and/or may have influenced and continue to influence the ways that other versions of those materials were/are performed and chanted/sung.

      Best wishes!

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  9. I was surprised to find out others grew up with this same rhyme and used for the same purpose. My Dad from Boston said this to his six kids 1950-1960's to quite us down at the dinner table. "Order in the court the judge is eating beans . Speak monkey, speak". It worked on us. Thanks for the information.

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    1. Hello, Gram.
      Thanks for sharing your memories of the "Order In The Court" rhyme. Thanks also for remembering to include demographics (when and where) with your comment.

      Best wishes!

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  10. "Order in the court,
    Monkey wants to speak,
    Speak monkey, speak after me."
    From when I was in primary school, up to age 11, in the Oxfordshire area of England in the mid 1950s.

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    1. SPR, thanks for sharing your memory of a version of the "Order In The Court" rhyme. Thanks also for including demographic information. It's interesting that "Order In The Court" was also known in England in the mid 1950s. I wonder how it got there.

      Best wishes!

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  11. "Silence in the gallery,
    Monkey wants to speak,
    Speak up, monkey, speak!"
    Heard this growing up in the 2000s & 2010s from my grandparents in the West Coast of Scotland

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    1. Greetings, Anonymous. Thanks for sharing that version of this rhyme. The change in words is interesting as is the fact that it was known in Scotland.

      Best wishes!

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